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Speaker 1: Conversation A Varge for Black America, Don Lemon, thank you. Wow,

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Speaker 1: what an introduction. How did you introduced me every night

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Speaker 1: You know, if you read the blogs and you read

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Speaker 1: any of the of the you know, press, I'm a racist.

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Speaker 1: Why are you always talking about race? Why do you

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Speaker 1: hate the white man? Why? I don't hate anybody. I'm

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Speaker 1: just speaking the truth. And people get mad. A white

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Speaker 1: broadcaster can say the same thing I say and will

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Speaker 1: not get criticized. But for me, because I'm black, I

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Speaker 1: get it, especially from the biggest absolutely and I get

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Speaker 1: it and I respect you. That's why the questions that

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Speaker 1: I answered, I'm a black man, and I know the

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Speaker 1: type of business that you're in. I know the level

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Speaker 1: that you are when you when you because you you,

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Speaker 1: you are are allowing yourself to be yourself in a

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Speaker 1: CNN format, and when you slide over to this podcast world,

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Speaker 1: this is actually a voice that you can dictate and control.

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Speaker 1: And that's when the criticism these things can come even stronger.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Don Lemon. He's an amazing podcast called

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Speaker 1: Silence Is Not an Option. Every Thursday he drops a

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Speaker 1: new show. It's a couple of things I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you before we wrap up that really on the COVID,

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Speaker 1: theteen side. Early on in the COVID in eighteen, I

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Speaker 1: a lady and she had told you that eight out

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Speaker 1: of ten black people who are hospitalized in Atlanta. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this interview had COVID N eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I would tell you something when when um, you had

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Speaker 1: a stunted look on your face. If you saw my faith,

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Speaker 1: it would have matched it. I just could not believe

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Speaker 1: that number. And so when you get live, because I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you get prepped for the shows, but when you

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Speaker 1: get information like that that sounds so incredible, that eight

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Speaker 1: out of ten COVID eighteen patients that were hospitalized in

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Speaker 1: the city of Atlanta or African Americans, how do you

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Speaker 1: compartmentalize that intend to go and still deliver what you

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Speaker 1: have to deliver to the American people. I have to

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Speaker 1: keep my composed number one. You know, I got bills.

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Speaker 1: I've got to keep my composure so that I can

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Speaker 1: be the folks at home. But but I'm honest, I

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Speaker 1: was honest, is shocked like you. I'm like, wait, wait

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Speaker 1: what that's what you're saying? You went when you were you?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, I couldn't. In fact,

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Speaker 1: to continue. But I actually came to work the next day,

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Speaker 1: I went, I watched Don Lemon and he has some

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Speaker 1: and who had COVID natena in Atlanta? What what black?

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Speaker 1: And the Then then I opened up a j C,

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Speaker 1: which is Atlanta General Constitution, and it was true. You

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Speaker 1: I got to play that out behind closed door and

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Speaker 1: front of my employees. You get to play that out

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Speaker 1: And here you are on national TV going really just

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Speaker 1: the first time I've heard of any incredible information like that.

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Speaker 1: Now you can continue, Yeah, well, because it is, and

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Speaker 1: I figured, you know, that's the same way I asked

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Speaker 1: questions I'm asking. I try to sit there like a

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Speaker 1: want to know, like you know, they're getting me. I

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Speaker 1: may have been pressed for it by producers, write a

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Speaker 1: lot of it, some of it, a lot of it

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Speaker 1: is also happening live, and I you know, and I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you I'm getting this information when you're getting so

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Speaker 1: you you know, bear with me. But um, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking for the people at home, I'm asking questions

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Speaker 1: for the people at home, just like you were, shayning

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Speaker 1: the people who are listening to us. Now, those are

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Speaker 1: the questions that I asked. Again. That's why I don't

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Speaker 1: sit there and try to be perfect, like you know

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Speaker 1: when people when your mom says, act like you've been somewhere.

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Speaker 1: I get that, but sometimes you really haven't been somewhere,

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Speaker 1: and you just have to I just have to say

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Speaker 1: I have never been here, and I'm taking you here

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Speaker 1: with me, and it gets what I was alone for

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Speaker 1: the ride, and I was like, I was, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was so traumatized by the information I actually tuned

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Speaker 1: out the rest of the interview. I was like, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I went to those terminologies, those levels of terms like

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Speaker 1: no way, no way, how could this be? And then

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Speaker 1: then you realize, okay that then as you started playing

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Speaker 1: off you do the research. You realized that, you know,

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Speaker 1: people in the black community, and uh and and and

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Speaker 1: then in this the White House had nothing to say

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Speaker 1: but whatever, And that also affects you emotionally. And then

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Speaker 1: I want to fast forward to a recent interview, I

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Speaker 1: believe last week where you was interviewing this family. I

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Speaker 1: believe it was in Florida and the husband and uh

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Speaker 1: and and her father in law had died from coviden.

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Speaker 1: You was interviewing the family. There was a children's dad

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Speaker 1: and granddad. They were both doctors, yes, and they both

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Speaker 1: contracted um COVID and they both died. Father and son,

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Speaker 1: and I think they died a couple of days apart

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Speaker 1: in the hospital. I'm gonna tell you them done. I

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Speaker 1: know that was a difficult interview at times, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, and so I wanted to bring that up

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Speaker 1: and in my interview with you, just to show you

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Speaker 1: the range, you know, the range. Sometimes you can get

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Speaker 1: to get lost in this information pool and just be

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Speaker 1: doing your job to see that here at the at

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Speaker 1: the height, at the very beginning of unknown, you find

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Speaker 1: out that the people and COVID patients and in Atlanta, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: or African Americans, and then you do an interview last week,

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Speaker 1: or white family, attractive white family because you mentioned that

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Speaker 1: in your interview, and they they were doctors, and they

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Speaker 1: still were victims of COVID eighteen. And we still have

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Speaker 1: people out here, you know, condemning mask, calling to the

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Speaker 1: fraud and all that. But you have to hold it together,

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Speaker 1: and you have to be that that sustained force, a

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Speaker 1: reason of credibility and information. That's a tremendous burden, Dared.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to wear you down, my friend, but

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Speaker 1: and and you can't you can't stop. You can't stop.

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Speaker 1: I won't let you stop, man. I support you to

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Speaker 1: the mountaintop because you are taking us there, and I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to just talk about that range when you

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Speaker 1: were from from from that black information that the at

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Speaker 1: But I mean, listen, you gotta this is I gotta

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Speaker 1: pretending that it's not happening, who's also trying to restrict

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