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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey. It's Wednesday, the twenty eighth

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Speaker 1: of September twenty twenty two, and it is time for

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat. Hi everyone, I am one half of your

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Speaker 1: hosting duo. My name is Luke Thomas. I join you

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Speaker 1: from the capital of the Status of Needles right here

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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC. You are also joined by my friend partner,

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Speaker 1: heatero life mate, goes by an array of titles. He's

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Speaker 1: also the King of Connecticut. It's my friend and yours

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: What's up BC, Oh, Luke, so happy to be back

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Speaker 2: with you on this hump day and a loaded right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's be fair, a loaded episode of Morning

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Speaker 2: Combat coming to people's way. Would you say that normally

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Speaker 2: Wednesday's our shit show of the three, Luke, this week

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Speaker 2: it's prime viewing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Normally Wednesdays are a bit of a slow day,

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Speaker 1: but today not so much. So. Let's let's see, We've

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Speaker 1: got a huge slate of fights this weekend, starting actually

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Speaker 1: to well, actually starting last night because bon Nickel performed

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Speaker 1: last night. Tonight is in Victa and then you've gotten

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Speaker 1: o one but two to one cards. You've got a

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Speaker 1: Bellator card, a UFC card, and a BKFC card. There

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Speaker 1: is a lot going on. Plus we don't normally do this,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna try it out. We are supposed to be joined.

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Speaker 1: We are scheduled to be joined by one Mackenzie Dern,

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Speaker 1: who of course headlines the UFC card this weekend at

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Speaker 1: around twelve to fifteen. That's a fluid situation, as we

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Speaker 1: all kind of know. We'll see how that goes. She's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be here as well. Fan subs, you get

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Speaker 2: Top five too. Look we're gonna top five.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, what was I saying? So I got roasted

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Speaker 1: on Twitter a little bit by simpletons largely, but people

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Speaker 1: gonna give each five recommendations for movie fans. I should say,

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Speaker 1: MMA fan, excuse me? What am I saying? MMA fans?

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Speaker 1: Five movies that we feel like you can sink your

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Speaker 1: What do you got there? What's the shirt? Is the

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, the shirt is representing love for down Under

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Speaker 2: and since we have so many great fans down there, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to give an open mouth kiss to all

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Speaker 2: of our Australian fans. Yes, thank you very much. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's great stuff. Okay, so do that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Luke mention that Bellotar card is actually this Saturday, not

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Speaker 2: that you didn't say Friday. I'm just letting the people

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Speaker 2: I think I had something else important to say, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Well, I actually I have to double check this in

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Speaker 2: So I know what I wanted up too much overlap.

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Speaker 2: but this Room Service Diaries entry that's been sitting on

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Speaker 2: our RSD shell for a while special guest Chuck Mindenhall.

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Speaker 2: If you have not checked this out, I encourage you

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Speaker 2: to do so. It's been called Luke a little taste

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Speaker 1: with UFC two eighty one. Man, we're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: The First of all, I want to do a live show,

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Speaker 2: Let's get Jake up in the bullpen. Second of all, Luke,

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Speaker 1: If we can again a Monster Monster weekend for combat sports.

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Speaker 1: There isn't any kind of like, there's no Nate Diaz

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Speaker 1: so let's start. We start with UFC UFC Vegas sixty one.

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Speaker 1: start with the main event, Mackenzie Dern taking on Yon

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Speaker 1: Chaunan BC. If you look at the rankings for this

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Speaker 1: I had it pulled up, you have Dern sitting at five,

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Speaker 2: You know? On the surface, for both, it's about taking

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Speaker 2: I sort of meant after Marina Hadriguez that four fight

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Speaker 1: Believe that, Luke, Yeah, I would agree with the main event.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Troernaldo, like twenty nine days older than me, Luke,

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Speaker 2: Minus three hundred. Randy Brown, you're commanding favorite here plus

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Speaker 1: is the first group in a kind of a real way.

429
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Speaker 1: It's going to be the subsequent group, and the one

430
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 1: after that, and the one after that that's going to

431
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Speaker 1: be the one where you are the ones, I should say,

432
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 1: we'll really see the fruit of all those efforts at

433
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 1: the UFC, And of course a lot of other people

434
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,159
Speaker 1: as well have put into it, so fair enough to

435
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: say that that certainly UFC has some Chinese talent that

436
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: they can parade, that they can use, and that are

437
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: legitimate title threats, certainly in the case of Jong Wai Lee.

438
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 1: But to me, just the beginning, I would expect a

439
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:33,959
Speaker 1: lot more in the future.

440
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 2: And on the flip side, Luke to close on this

441
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Speaker 2: main event talk here, as we're talking about both the

442
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 2: comain and the main how how high do you think

443
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 2: Durn's star potential actually is, you know, in terms of

444
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 2: you know, attention gate receipts, all that this division has

445
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 2: produced some stars. You want a champion. Ros nami Unis

446
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 2: has crossed over in some ways, you know, among her

447
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 2: various huge wins, we've sort of labeled dern as like,

448
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 2: you know, descendant of what Ronda Rossi started this, you know,

449
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: a face for the camera dominant ground game. When she's

450
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 2: in a great position there, do you really believe in

451
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 2: the potential of her becoming a star if she can

452
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Speaker 2: keep winning at this level?

453
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 1: I sure do. Twenty nine years of age, as we

454
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: mentioned on the mat better than everyone else in maybe

455
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 1: all of women's MMA in terms of pure jiu jitsu skills,

456
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: that's how good she is. One of the most decorated

457
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu competitors ever, certainly on the female side. And

458
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, we've got to remember, obviously he speaks English

459
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 1: and speaks Portuguese, so she can travel between two nations,

460
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: So she could be somebody big in Brazil, she could

461
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Speaker 1: be somebody here. Now you might be asking, can she

462
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: be the next Ronda Rozsi, Well, that's asking a lot.

463
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's really possible or even in

464
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 1: the cards, but if again, it all comes back to

465
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: the same thing. If you're gonna be a star in

466
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: the UFC, there are you know, exceptions here or there,

467
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 1: but this is really true for all of them. Dude,

468
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: you got to win, and you got to win big.

469
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 1: And for someone like you probably need to win a title.

470
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 1: You probably need to get to that level to really

471
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: maximize star potential. Some can do it without it. We

472
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: just had an Adaz, but those are theirs, are the

473
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: exception that mostly proved the rule. So I do think

474
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: she can be a big star. I do think she

475
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: can be a big asset and she's obviously done quite well,

476
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: make no mistake. But to get to what you're talking about,

477
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: that next next level, yeah, dude, she's got to win those.

478
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: She's got to win those big. But I do think

479
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: the star potential is there. Absolutely.

480
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, a fighting mom as well, so shout out. You

481
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: know you never see her without her husband and daughter

482
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Speaker 2: next to her, and I always commend that, you.

483
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Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I don't go in any places without my

484
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Speaker 1: kid and wife either, so I understand that. By the way,

485
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: Also in this card, we see we don't have to

486
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Speaker 1: go into a two in great detail. Sadik Yusuf is back.

487
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: I think he was supposed to fight Uroshmeititch who got injured.

488
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: He takes on a don I'm not being mispronouncing his

489
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: last name, Shanis, who is the Cage Titans one forty

490
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 1: five pound champ riding a three fight win streak. I

491
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Speaker 1: think all three by finish. Sidik Yusef, to your point

492
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: about the betting odds, according to our friends at Caesars,

493
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: is a substantial favorite at minus nine hundred. But I

494
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: do think Yusef has been one of these guys who

495
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: from this area, by the way, very talented, has a

496
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: lot of ability. But I'm still looking for him to

497
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: keep adding to that development for him to be a

498
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: potential title threat. I don't know that this about meaningfully

499
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Speaker 1: moves the needle in terms of the climbing the ladder

500
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of consideration, but it's an important fight for him

501
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: to get back in the important for it's important for

502
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: him to use this as an opportunity to showcase development.

503
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Speaker 2: I think agreed, and he's five and one since coming

504
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: to the UFC and looking to put that Arnold Allen

505
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 2: lost behind him? Was he twelve? I think you said

506
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: in the top fifteen this would be a big opportunity

507
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: here against don how do you pronounces shyness linkshus Shanis

508
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: to take a next step forward. But Luke, I've got

509
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 2: my own sort of super sloppy eyeballs on a few

510
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: other matchups.

511
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: Are you ready for it? I think I have an

512
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: idea about which one that might be.

513
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 2: But tell me, well, first of all, in this main

514
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 2: card opener, I will be looking closely to see vlatchislev Borshev.

515
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: But you know they call him Slava Clause. Luke, remember

516
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: when he came on the scene or the Dana White

517
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 2: Contender series did have that hiccup against Mark Jacasey. He's

518
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: gonna have to run that back. He'll be taking on

519
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: Mike Davis in a lightweight bout. Dude, Slava Clause is

520
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: funny shit to watch. Okay, that's just just just the

521
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: reality there. But Luke, this preliminary card, heavyweight featured main

522
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 2: event on the JV level here is going to be weird,

523
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: gross and sloppy, and I can't wait for it. Alexio

524
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 2: Lenox versus Bfi Latifi himself Luke, how friggin weird is

525
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: this fight going to be It's gonna be great. It's

526
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: gonna be all over that cage.

527
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 4: Dude.

528
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 2: We don't put any kind of respect on Alexiolenick, who's

529
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: like almost sixty. I think at this point, got a

530
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: bunch of wins and losses can surprise a heavyweight who's

531
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: still got ability. But Luke, do you follow him on

532
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: social media? He's a got snakes around his bare chest.

533
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: This guy just finds a way to kind of crafty,

534
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: old man in the driveway style win fights. He's becoming

535
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: an odd brand of musty TV. For me, am, I

536
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: overplaying that that hand that card to you. I love

537
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: watching this guy, and now you're telling me I get

538
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: him in Latifi gonna trade positions on the ground.

539
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm here for this, Okay, Latifi being a slight favorite

540
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: according to the odds makers, Yeah, I mean I would

541
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: say this for olenok The spot that he occupies is like,

542
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: if you can't beat him, not that beating him is

543
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: necessarily easy given some of his wins, but if you

544
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: can't beat him, it's kind of hopeless for you in

545
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: this division, right, Like he's a he's got a very

546
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: significant gate keeping rule in that way, and of course

547
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: he's got famous for the nogee Ezekiel choke, which he

548
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: does quite well. Beyond that though, like anybody who's got

549
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: a futurist division should not lose to him.

550
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: So to me, that's where Latifi's at. That's the thing,

551
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 2: that's where Latifi's at too. So it's kind of like

552
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: this weird featured kind of like Loser Leaves Town feel

553
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: to it. And Luke Alexio Link is the ultimate dad

554
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: at forty five. He's full on dad bod and he

555
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: finds weird ass submissions you never heard of to get wins.

556
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a weird one. Get ready for it.

557
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: Super sloppy, yes, or.

558
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: It could be short if Latifi just bombs on him

559
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: and knocks him out. You mentioned by the way the

560
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: borshev Davis fight. Mike Davis one of these guys, a

561
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: phenomenal athlete, phenomenal I actually think, a really good fighter

562
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: who hasn't quite broken out in the way that I

563
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: had expected him to. It'll be interesting to see if

564
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: he does. Also, Tabitha Ricci taking on Jessica Penney another

565
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: one to keep your eye on. And then like Maxine

566
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: Grishin taking on Felipe Linz a battle of I think

567
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: former PFL stars in that one as well.

568
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, Christoph Jokko versus Brendan Allen. I don't

569
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: hate that. By the way, Ricci was supposed to be

570
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: fighting cheyennev List Miss Luke. We had a hiccup there.

571
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: They couldn't make it work, all right.

572
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: Also, I'm amazed that Guido Kanetti is still in the

573
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: UFC Argentine kind of an older dude, never really been

574
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: super great, still finding a way to hang on. So

575
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens there as well. All right. Topic

576
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Speaker 1: number Another event this weekend is gonna be Belatore Belltore

577
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: two eighty six. Of course, last weekend they were in Dublin, Ireland.

578
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: This weekend, I believe they're gonna be in Inglewood, of

579
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: all places, up.

580
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: To the Long Beach. Come on, it's MS backyard.

581
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, what am I saying? What am I saying?

582
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: I got the wrong neighborhood Long Beach? Forgive me? Of

583
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: course this will air on Showtime BC. Your main event,

584
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: Pitbull Old Patricio the one type taking on Adam Borich.

585
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: This of course is going to be a featherweight title fight.

586
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: Borch coming off that blood and guts fight against Mads Burnell,

587
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: he won it. He's a very deserving contender. My question

588
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: for you is how much of a threat do you

589
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: actually think Borich is to a guy like Patricio at

590
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: this stage in his career.

591
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: I think pretty strong, Luke. You're gonna favor Patricio for

592
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: many reasons here. And obviously he bounced back and got

593
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: that gritty sort of chess match victory over aj McKee

594
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: and their big money rematch, and you know, a big

595
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: attention on that, and obviously aj McKey on this card

596
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: is sort of lingering in the overall conversation, but as

597
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: it pertains to this actual fight. Look, we've seen Borich

598
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: have that early peak moment against Aaron Pico. We've seen

599
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 2: him stumble when he's climbing. I think he's putting it

600
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: all together right now. It's still, you know, in some

601
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: ways leans heavily on his striking compared to a potential

602
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 2: all around game. But Patricio Pipple's thirty five, and we

603
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: had aj McKee on the room service Diris Couch and

604
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: I definitely appoint everyone to get out there and check

605
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: it out if you missed it, because it's very interesting

606
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: insight to the mind of a twenty seven year old,

607
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: you know, star who's looking to put the pieces back

608
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: together after his first defeat. But Aj is not convinced

609
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: Luke that Pitple doesn't retire if he defends his title

610
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: hair against Borich and basically just say few to the

611
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: potential of a trilogy on the way out. I think

612
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: that's something to watch closely, just as I think Borich

613
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: has a shot here Luke to sneaky jump in there

614
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: and have moments he's gonna have the size advantage over Pitbull.

615
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: I think Luke he's got that kind of game. That look,

616
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: if he's gonna be on back for the whole fight,

617
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: he's gonna have issues. But if he can control striking

618
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: from distance, and that's never easy against somebody like Pitbull,

619
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: this could be an interesting fight. I'm not sleeping on

620
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: the Hungarian whatsoever.

621
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta be Seezers doesn't have odds, so I'm

622
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: just gonna go with what else is out there. Dude,

623
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: The odds are close. Pitbull at about a minus one thirty

624
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: five minus one forty and you've got Borich at roughly

625
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: around plus one fifteen. You got him as high as

626
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: plus one thirty in some places out there, they've got

627
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: this one as very competitive. I'm surprised if the odds

628
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: are that close. Because Borich is tall. I think he's

629
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: gonna have a reach advantage. I don't know how significant,

630
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: and I don't think this is like Patricio in necessarily

631
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: his prime. I think he's slowly on the other end

632
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: of it, although still obviously he's championed for a reason.

633
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: To be clear, I do think he's the best featherweight

634
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: in that organization. But it's a tough fight for Borich.

635
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: Patricio has pretty good takedown defense. He's got good jiu

636
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: jitsu on the feet, He's careful, he sets up shot,

637
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: he can close distance really well. He's got a good chin.

638
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: He's certainly battle tested. I would favor Patricio slightly more.

639
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: What like, if what, what what do you think that

640
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: Borich does? And again we'll get to the x's and

641
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: o's on Friday, but like, what's one thing that you

642
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: think Borich does well that would give Patricio problems?

643
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 2: Well, just when you look at their natural difference in size,

644
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: his ability to kickbox from distance and be a threat

645
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: for a type of fight. Changing strike has got to

646
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: be looked at closely.

647
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: Here.

648
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: He's young, he's aggressive, and since that submission lost to

649
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: Darien Carl Caldwell in the in the Featherway tournament, which

650
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: which really was disastrous upon instant, you know, upon happening.

651
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: The four straight wins have included through round decision over

652
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: Jeremy Kennedy, who was a tough out, and then going

653
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: five rounds with Mad's Burnell. Luke. Is his striking, you know,

654
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: on the same level of his ground game. No, but

655
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: you're watching video here of strong top game. He's he's

656
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: a very strong fighter. He's really starting to add tools

657
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: and confidence left and right. He's been you know, with

658
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: a with a big team since the beginning down there

659
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: Sanford MMA or kill Cliff now or hard knocks black

660
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: Zillion's Luke, whatever you want to call it, all right there,

661
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: he's he seems like on this wind streak that he's ready.

662
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: So I think the question you have to ask yourself

663
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: is pitppulls age at thirty five, and the potential motivation

664
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: is he walking into either maybe his last fight, maybe

665
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: a potential trap fight. He's five fot six Pitbull with

666
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: a sixty five and a half inch reach. Let's compare

667
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: that to Borich, who's five to eleven with a seventy

668
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: and a half inch reach. So the obvious easy answer,

669
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: Luke is the length, the size, the ability to be

670
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: a dangerous kickboxer from distance. But if this starts going

671
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: places on the ground in the clinch, you're gonna have

672
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: to watch out for pipples, guillotine, You're gonna have to

673
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: watch out for the veteran being gritty as shit and

674
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: basically a completely well rounded fighter. I'm just wondering if

675
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: within these circumstances and the fact that Borich is rising

676
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: right now, we're looking at a very close fight, the

677
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: odds say yes, and Luca can't be looked past that.

678
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: There is a weird scenario with this card. It's in

679
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: AJ McKee's backyard. So it's almost like this make good

680
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: off of his close loss to pit Bull in the rematch,

681
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: But he is fighting Smike Carlisle a division up, and

682
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: we'll preview that in a second. We don't really know

683
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: is Aj going to go back down to one forty

684
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: five one more time to seek a trilogy? If pit

685
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: Bull wins on Saturday, is he going to go after

686
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: a different division title instead where Patricky has it and

687
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: we'll be fighting Usmanner Magemettov coming up at lightweight. We

688
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: don't really know. I don't think he really knows. I

689
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 2: wonder if all this uncertainty is kind of weird for

690
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: pitbull walking into his rival's backyard but not fighting him,

691
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: but having a really, really tough challenge in front of him.

692
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting. Theater comes Saturday night.

693
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: As you mentioned aj McKee in that co main event. Now,

694
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: he did tell us BC in our Room Service diaries

695
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: he would go back to one forty five at least

696
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: one more time if it meant fighting for Trico to

697
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: beat him. But the fight on Saturday is not at

698
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: one forty five. It's at one fifty five, which will

699
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: be his one fifty five debut. He takes on former

700
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: or I should say you UFC veteran Spike Carlile. Now

701
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: the odds are wide on this, but even then I

702
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: think they probably should be a little bit wider. You

703
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: got aj McKee up and above at some places nearly

704
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: a minus five hundred, Spike Carlisle about a plus three

705
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: hundred plus three twenty in some places, BC, I I listen, Spark,

706
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: Spike Carlyle is a very good athlete, very strong, you know,

707
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: very athletic, but he is a spaz And if you're

708
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: as good and as careful as Aj McKee, there's really

709
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: no good reason why you should lose this fight, right.

710
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: Right, So in some in some ways, if all things

711
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: go perfect, this is the perfect set up, showcase opportunity.

712
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of Michael Venimpage against David

713
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: Caveman Rickles, Like, this is the proper setup for AJ

714
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: to have a spectacular come back win. Remind everybody of

715
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: he is, of who he is. Spike Carlyle is wild,

716
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: he's TV friendly. But the odds tell you in terms

717
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: of comparison and skill what this could or should be.

718
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: But how about about what this has the potential of

719
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: maybe being. This is AJ's move up for the first time,

720
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, to a new division, and he was

721
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: very honest both with us on Room Service Diaries also

722
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: with Ariel about what he calls a complete mental breakdown

723
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: in the aftermath of that loss in the rematch to Pipple.

724
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: What we found out from talking to him was that

725
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: he really put stock in the idea of living up

726
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: to what he's called himself the Mayweather of MMA. He

727
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: wanted to go unbeaten like Abbe as long as he could.

728
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 2: That got taken away from him. I feel in talking

729
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: to him, Luke, I wouldn't say he's lost right now. Mentally,

730
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: I would say that he's figuring it out in the moment.

731
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: Does this have the potential to be a spinning, incredible

732
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: highlight reel finish and then call out piple, Yeah it

733
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: does and the home crowd long Beach. It's not a

734
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: bad idea for Belator to do that. But at the

735
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: same time, he's got a lot of questions to answer

736
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: first that he can only answer in training camp, in

737
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: the locker room beforehand, on the walk to the cage.

738
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 2: I given his talent, Luke, which is spectacular, and I

739
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: know a lot of people, because of one loss, want

740
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 2: to start hating on him. That loss is a flip

741
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: the coin technical not much happened type of fight for

742
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: five rounds. Okay, like he didn't we didn't see him,

743
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: you know, take a major l in front of our eyes.

744
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: It was what the judges preferred. But I think a

745
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: lot of people are coming into this going if he

746
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: doesn't do something spectacular, I want to see if he

747
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: falls apart. I don't know if this is the right

748
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: opponent for that type of set up, Luke, but I

749
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: think Aj has legitimate questions to answer to us in

750
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: front of our eyes in the cage on Saturday, whether

751
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 2: he can get right back dialed in. Because sometimes guys

752
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: lose their invincibility and they don't bounce back. It's not

753
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: as often an mma where losses are more accepted. But Luke,

754
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: would you say that, you know, while you're refreshingly happy

755
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: to have heard Aj become so clean about how mentally

756
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: hard it was to bounce back from that, it also

757
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: was a little bit eye opening.

758
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: It was eye opening. I didn't think he had taken

759
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: it that hard. Remember, on the night of the rematch,

760
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: after the fight was over, he was beside himself. He

761
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: thought he had clearly won it. I did not think so.

762
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: I thought that he had made it close and competitive,

763
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: but that Patricio was better on that evening, and that's

764
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: sort of the reality. But you're right, man, he had

765
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: a ton of stock rise after his first win over Patricio.

766
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't again undefeated, spent his entire career

767
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: in bell tour. So they got him from pro debut

768
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: to championship, which is, like, you know, very difficult to do,

769
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: especially for a national, international level promotion. Then he beats

770
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: like the most storied one forty five in the first

771
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: round like it's nothing, wins the tournament. I mean, it

772
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: couldn't have gone better for him in all the ways

773
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: that it did. And then he has the one loss

774
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden people are like ready to

775
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: write him off, like, oh, it was just a you

776
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: just had a good night. You're not that guy. No,

777
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: he's that guy. He's that guy. But to the point

778
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: that you raise if he had that much difficulty, we're

779
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: going to see if he actually dealt with it correctly.

780
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: Spike Carlisle is not anyone you can look past. My

781
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: only point in saying that the odds, as wide as

782
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: they are, should probably be even wider, which again is

783
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: different consideration based on betting, But the point being is,

784
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: you know, Aj at his best, at his best is

785
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: just a far superior fighter. Mma is dangerous and crazy,

786
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: and Spike Carlisle courts that particular kind of danger. But

787
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: I was surprised, as you were in hearing him talk

788
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: about it. This will be a lesson in how much

789
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: he has actually found a way to manage some of

790
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: those difficulties in his life. It's going to be a good,

791
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: a good opportunity. But by the way, this is like

792
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: Strikeforce booking. And I don't say that pejoratively. I say

793
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: that correctly. He's moving to a new weight class. You're

794
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: trying to see where his head is at all that stuff.

795
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: Let's give him a fight that he should be able

796
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: to win against someone who is dangerous and action oriented.

797
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: You see this in boxing all the time. I actually

798
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: don't mind this matchmaking at all. People. I saw some

799
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: folks like you know, being upset with this being a

800
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: one sided fight for McKee. Yeah, it is one sided,

801
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: but it's not so one sided that it's egregious, not

802
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: at all. And this is exactly what you want for

803
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: one of your top talents who's going through a little

804
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: bit as he adjust to a new way, class in

805
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: a new situation.

806
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: And if you're wondering, oh, you know, did he push

807
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: bellatour to give him a perceived soft matchup. No, he

808
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: told us on the couch that he would have preferred

809
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: Benson Henderson at to make a lightweight debut against He

810
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: asked for it, knowing how good they would match up,

811
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: and you know the history of a legend against the

812
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: up and comer. But let's put a little bit of

813
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: respect back on Spike Carlisle's name. Luke. We know him

814
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: from being the Alpha Ginger, from fighting like a spaz,

815
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: and from going one and two in three memorable appearances

816
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: during the peak twenty twenty pandemic for the UFC. He

817
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: beat Alon Cruise and then suffered defisient decision defeats to

818
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 2: Billy Q and then Bill al Jao. But Luke five

819
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: straight wins since then, one in LFA, one in Cage Warriors,

820
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: one in Bally's Fight Night, one in Bellatour and then

821
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: most recently in risen Hey. He's put it together. He's

822
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: put his best foot forward. He's going to be hungry.

823
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm wondering what we're going to end the night talking

824
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: about following these two fights. Obviously it's more dependent upon

825
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: who wins and does Patricio defend his title, But are

826
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: we most likely headed towards Patricio and aj face to

827
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: face in the cage to close this card, almost like

828
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: in pro wrestling fashion, to set the stage for an

829
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: inevitable trilogy. I don't know, Luke, you got mckisay in

830
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: just as well. Hey, maybe I'll fight the winner of

831
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: Usman versus Patricky.

832
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: Well, here's the other component here, which is the third

833
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: fight on the card that is deserving of some attention,

834
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: namely Aaron Pico is on this card at one forty five.

835
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: That's why I bring this up taking on Jeremy Kennedy.

836
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Kennedy being a tough out. Again, the

837
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: odds on this one, let me see, they've got Pico

838
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: as a wide favorite. I gotta tell you, I understand

839
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: him being the favorite. I suspect that he will win. Obviously,

840
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: Pico going down training with Brandy Gibson and the folks

841
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: at Jackson Wink has been great since, in fact, the

842
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: Borch loss, which is all the way back in twenty nineteen,

843
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: and his last fights, last two fights against Justin Gonzalez

844
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: and Adlee Edwards. He's looked amy. Jeremy Kennedy is a

845
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: is probably the biggest step up in competition since he

846
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: fought Borich. I really think that that's the fairest thing

847
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: to say. Jeremy Kennedy is a good fighter. Obviously, trains

848
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: with extreme coutre. He's Canadian. He's had some losses, obviously

849
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: to Adam Borich himself and some other folks. But he's

850
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: got wins in the PFL. He's got obviously he used

851
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: to compete in UFC and had you know, he lost

852
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: to Volkanovsky, big deal. He's got some wins over Kyle

853
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Bokniak and Hanni Jason. This is a good fighter. This

854
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: is a talented guy. He can wrestle a little bit,

855
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: he can survive bad places. He's a veteran. He's got

856
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: a record I think was at seventeen and three something

857
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: like that. Let me double check here. Yeah, he's got

858
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: twenty pro fights. This is not some wet behind the

859
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: ears dude they just found in some small gym in

860
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: the middle of flyover America. No, no, no, no, no.

861
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: This guy trains with a good team, has fought in

862
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: big promotions, has fought the best, And yes, he doesn't

863
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: have the kind of signature win that might make you

864
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: really fearful for Pico's chances. But let's be very clear

865
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: about this. BC. Would you agree since losing to Adam Borich,

866
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: Jeremy Kennedy is by far the toughest challenge that a

867
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: guy like Pico has faced.

868
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a step up time for Pico. He's

869
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: six and ozho. Since that most recent string of defeats,

870
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: he's done the right things, as you mentioned, going to

871
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: Jackson Wink. But I think even more than moving to

872
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: you know, moving his camp, Luke, he's moved his life.

873
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: He's regularly on the farm with his absolutely well and

874
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: doubt horse. We know that story, Luke, but I think

875
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: he's quieted his lifestyle. It was hard to live up

876
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: to those absurd you know, the biggest prospect in MMA

877
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: history comparisons. While still a teenager. He had a very

878
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: aggressive dad that was pushing him, you know, business wise

879
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: to get into fights, you know, even in a division

880
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have been for his debut there at lightweight

881
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: in which he lost. He's ready now to fight legitimately

882
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: ranked guys, to get in position to fight for his

883
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: first belt AR title. It's time six wins in a row.

884
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: Some of those have been devastating and destructive, but most

885
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: importantly he's recommitted to the wrestling and not leaving his

886
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: chin out there as much. Luke. He could be ahead

887
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: on her He's got great boxing ability. I've always said

888
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: if Pico's problem was like he's almost too good in

889
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: every category where he got too much in love with

890
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: his boxing and his ability to knock people out that

891
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: he got caught. He has changed. Jeremy Kennedy is, without

892
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: question the first fight on this next level of matchmaking

893
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: where we did six in a row at slow paced,

894
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: and I'll give Bellator a credit pushed him fast to

895
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 2: begin with, pulled it back slow paced. But Jeremy Kennedy

896
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: in his last six is four and one. Yes, the

897
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: loss to Borich, There's another fight that he won that

898
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: got to overturned to a no contest. It was a

899
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: submission win where he failed the drug test. But overall,

900
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: this is a fighter who's found his avenue in Belatore

901
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: to find out how good he can be. I love

902
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: the challenge and what it means for Peico. Look, Pico's

903
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: still just twenty six. If this is the beginning of

904
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: a sped up level of matchmaking, how sped up should

905
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: it be? If he gets the win here as a

906
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: six to one betting favorite.

907
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this if he beats Kennedy, which I

908
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: expect him to do, although I do think he's gonna

909
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: have to work for it. To be quite clear, I

910
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: would not rush him to a title shot. That doesn't

911
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: mean that they won't, right, I mean, he's near the

912
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: top of the card. He's just under the comine. He

913
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: is the only other one to forty five pound fighter

914
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: and fight excuse me, on this main card, and so

915
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: for that reason, you can't ever really discount what that

916
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: could happen, what that could do. I'll say this, if

917
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: he goes in there and blows the doors off of

918
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: Jeremy Kennedy, they might just make a title fight, to

919
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: be quite honest with you, especially by the way, if

920
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: there's some kind of upset and you can do like

921
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: a Boritch rematch, because remember Borich again is the last

922
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: person to hand Aaron Pico a loss. There's something that

923
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: could happen there. So there are some ways where they could.

924
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: But I would say I agree with what you said.

925
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: This should be the first guy in that next level

926
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: step up, like, Okay, here's the no bullshit time. You know,

927
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: here is the time where you really got to show

928
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: us what you can do at the upper end of

929
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: our featherweight division. This is a great guy to get

930
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: that tested against. So it depends on a few factors obviously,

931
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: as it always does in MMA, but I would say

932
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: more than likely not the kind of fight that should

933
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: or could lead to a tide shot, but one never knows.

934
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: Wow, exciting time, seriously right now in the Bell Tour

935
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: featherweight division. That Grand Prix was was well booked, you know,

936
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: in terms of the who was in it and the

937
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: initial matchups. And now we have this potential of a

938
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: very good pit Bull Boriz title fight, the possibility of

939
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: pit Bull wins and still stays around of a McKee

940
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: trilogy or what you mentioned hood Aaron Pico crash the

941
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: party given his history with Borich. If both win, this

942
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: is this is going to be fun to figure it

943
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: all out for sure. Belator in a nice groove here

944
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: at this moment, Luke, I'm looking forward to this fight

945
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: on Sarah.

946
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: There's a ton I gotta say, like, there's a ton

947
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: of good fights up and down this card. For example,

948
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: we have to get going. But at one thirty five

949
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: one Archi Letta taken on Enrique Barzola. That's a banger.

950
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: Islam Mamadov, who had the recent close loss to Benson

951
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: Henderson taken on Nick Brown. Nick Brown thirteen and one

952
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: hasn't lost since twenty seventeen. He's the guy who beat

953
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: and stopped Rat Garbage in his last fight. And by

954
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: the way, BCE remember the big controversial situation surrounding Max Oshkoff.

955
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: He is now in Belatore taking on Mike Hamill, another

956
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: collegiate wrestler turned MMA fighter. Plus, you've got the the

957
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: New Zealand's own JJ Wilson's back on this card. Landscapson

958
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: Junior's on this card. Dude, there's a ton of really

959
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: good fights on this one.

960
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it right there. And there's

961
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting scenarios that are gonna come off

962
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: of this. You know, I like when Beliter goes Saturday

963
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: and they go hard in the paint. Luke, Okay, this

964
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 2: feels a little I wouldn't say tent would you say?

965
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: This feels tent pole ish? You know Scott likes that

966
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: that term.

967
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's tent pole ish. I mean it's listen,

968
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: title fight at the top, right, great comine. Yeah, it's

969
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: tent pole ish. You don't have another big The problem

970
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: is you've got the pit Bull and McKeith thing. Even

971
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: though they're in separate bouts, they're kind of like co

972
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: paired together, as I should say just paired together as

973
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of like a if Pico was a bigger star,

974
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: like and this was a much more meaningful fight, if

975
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: there was an other title fight, or this was like

976
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: a tourney fight on this one, I'd say tentpole, I'd

977
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: say it's just under temple.

978
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: Just did you see that picture that Bretto Komodo ESPN

979
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: posted of Aaron Pico shirtless, flexing.

980
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: Luke he is, yeah, is fucking shredded.

981
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: Just I mean, like like stallone and Rocky four level shredded.

982
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: It's just like damn right, I mean, good lord, he's

983
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: coming up.

984
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: That's amazing. All right. So we move now to one,

985
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: and there's a lot going on with one. So let

986
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: me be clear about this. They have two different cards

987
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: this weekend. Now. The only one that really matters, for

988
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: not only matters, but the one that more specifically matters

989
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: is not the one that will be tomorrow morning, which

990
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: is one one sixty one. The one we're talking about,

991
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: I'll get the name right here is these are just

992
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: terrible names. One on Prime Video. Two. Now, of course

993
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the one that airs on Amazon.

994
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: This will be at Friday eight pm in the East.

995
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: It's an interesting card BC headlined by a rubber match

996
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: for their flyweight championship. It's I'm not sure that's right.

997
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Adam Waite. Let me double check this one,

998
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: because I know previously was Adam, but you've got Sean

999
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: jing Nan. I'm sure I'm saying these names fucked up

1000
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: against Angela Lee. Now Lee lost her the first time,

1001
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: had a back and forth, pretty close fight in the

1002
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: second fight, but then managed to get the back and

1003
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: choke her out in the towards the end of the

1004
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: fifth round in their rematch. That's headlining this contest. Level

1005
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: of enthusiasm for this card for one on Amazon and

1006
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: this particular main event.

1007
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: Look, does this have the particularly American star power of

1008
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 2: their first one on Amazon with DJ looking to eveng

1009
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: to stop age loss and win a title. It doesn't.

1010
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go into this with decently I expectations

1011
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: for the broadcast, the presentation Friday, and also this main event.

1012
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: Luke a trilogy as you mentioned, and Angela Lee, who's

1013
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 2: now twenty six, wasn't she the youngest female champion once

1014
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: she won that Adam whitebelt a long time ago, Luke,

1015
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 2: that would seen sometimes m hm, she's still the adamweight champion,

1016
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 2: but now she'd be fighting for the one strawweight championship

1017
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: in this trilogy. Very good fight in the main event.

1018
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: I don't know a ton about Angela Lee. I've watched

1019
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: her more from a distance. This will give me as

1020
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 2: in my growing one fandom, and the more I take

1021
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 2: notice as they continue closer to this US full US expansion. Yeah,

1022
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: I'm interested. I'll watch it am. I deep on the

1023
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: back stories, know Luke, but I'm hoping to learn as

1024
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: I tune in. So maybe for me, the casual American

1025
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 2: fan not too tight in on one, maybe this will

1026
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: be more of the hardcore variety that gets me. I mean,

1027
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: are there would you say a handful of fights I

1028
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: should care about on here?

1029
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? I would say between the two cards, there's a

1030
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: lot to like. It's interesting that they went with the

1031
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 1: way that they went so, for example, that rubber match

1032
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: and by the way, the first two fights, I think

1033
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: it's certainly. I think they're both available on YouTube if

1034
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: you want to check them out. They're both pretty good

1035
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: and by the way, it is the strawweight and obviously

1036
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: that you know they go up a weight class with everything,

1037
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: but it's a straweight championship anyway, meet her here North

1038
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: in your comin it's actually a kickboxing bout at one

1039
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five pounds between Superbond and Tayfun. I'm

1040
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: sure I mispronouncing his name. He's from Turkey, Oskin. I'm

1041
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: sure it's like Uskin or wherever you say it, like

1042
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: maybe it was like usel Osel. Anyway, the player Superbond

1043
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: is an amazing obviously kickboxing and muay Thai fighter. He's

1044
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: got wins over Mark Gregorian, Georgia Petrosian who he had

1045
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: kick stopped in the second round, Sidichai, He's got two

1046
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: wins back to back over him, so that's an interesting one.

1047
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: Then in your like feature fight, it's a pro grappling

1048
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: bout between one of the only Americans to ever win

1049
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: the world championship in jiu jitsu, Mikey Musumechi, one of

1050
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: the He has a sister, who, by the way, is

1051
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: an amazing grappler as well. Taken on Clever Sosa. So

1052
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: remember they had Busheisha in their opener on one on

1053
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: Prime albeit in an MMA fight, but you know, trying

1054
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: to bring in some Americans in some different context. So

1055
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: this is to me, really the challenge for one BC.

1056
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: I've said this before, outside of the UFC, one is

1057
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: clearly the most different product that is available to consumers

1058
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: of MMA, right, PFL does the tournament thing, and Belltore's

1059
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: got a really good roster, but those are still largely

1060
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: just sort of American. They're more than American, but they're

1061
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: just they feel like a lot like what the UFC offers,

1062
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: albeit packaged in slightly different ways. With one, They've got

1063
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: a very different product. They've got pro grappling, kickboxing, muyti.

1064
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: There is a difference between them and obviously MMA. They

1065
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: go men and women as well, and you know they've

1066
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: got a different level and way of presenting it. But

1067
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: I wonder BC, and this is the thing. Yes, here's

1068
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: the good news. If you're one. You have a clearly

1069
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: different product than the UFC, no doubt about it. But

1070
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: is it so different that it ends up being unpalatable

1071
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: to an American audience? Because I'll be honest with you,

1072
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna knock anything on this card. It's not

1073
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: the best card. It's not the worst card. There's some

1074
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: good stuff on it, for sure, but if you're an

1075
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: American MMA fan, there's virtually nothing on this card that

1076
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: immediately grabs you or that you really even how many

1077
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: MMA fans Even though who Mikey Musumeci is in the

1078
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu world, He's a big name, please make no

1079
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: mistake about it. And again I'm not knocking the quality

1080
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: of fights or fighters, especially on the kickboxing or muay

1081
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: Thai side. I'm just saying how relevant is that to

1082
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: the American sporting audience. Not vary That makes them is

1083
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: what they're trying A big.

1084
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: Challenge, absolutely, and Angela Lee there in that main event

1085
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: is part of the fighting Lee family. Luke a reminder

1086
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: that a brother, Christian is the current one lightweight champion.

1087
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: Her younger sister Victoria, just made her debut in MMA

1088
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: at age sixteen in twenty twenty one. And to finalize

1089
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: the backstore on this trilogy, I wanted to get it right.

1090
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: Luke Lee lost their first fight in twenty nineteen for

1091
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: non strawweight title. They rematched later that year one division

1092
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: lower for Lee's Adam Way title and she submitted her

1093
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 2: in won. Then Lee took two and a half years off,

1094
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: came back and beat Stamp FairTax earlier this year. Stamps

1095
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: on this card as well. Now they're doing the trilogy

1096
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: about also in the higher weight class at strawweight, So

1097
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: Angela Lee, who has been the in many ways the

1098
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: female face of what one is doing and trying to

1099
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: get more American attention from British Columbia despite being of

1100
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: Asian descent. There, Luke, this is going to be an

1101
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 2: opportunity for her to become a two division champion in

1102
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 2: the main event. So you know, for the American hook,

1103
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 2: that's probably your biggest story. But you know, I'll be

1104
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: watching Mikey bust Dementi or whatever the hell you call

1105
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: the other guy too.

1106
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: Okay, well Sumetchi. By the way, also in this card,

1107
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: Stamp Fairtex is on his card in one hundred and

1108
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: fifteen pound bout. The other one, of course, Mark Gregorian

1109
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: is on this card in a pro kickboxing about against

1110
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: Jamo Yusupov, which is interesting. The other one that did

1111
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: capture my attention is Timothy nasty Yuken. You might remember

1112
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: this is the guy that Eddie Alvarez made his debut

1113
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: against and got demolished Timothy Nasty Yukin is not the

1114
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: best you know one fifty five or one to seventy, well,

1115
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: you know one seventy fighter on the planet. But he

1116
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: is quite good beating Eddie Alvarez. As I mentioned in

1117
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: some other folks, he is writing a two fight losing streak.

1118
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: He takes on an interesting sort of rising prospect in

1119
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: Khalil Amir out of Turkey, who, as I mentioned, is undefeated.

1120
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: This is gonna be his one debut, so we'll see

1121
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: exactly how good he is. That's one to pay attention to.

1122
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: But this is what I mean. This is a product

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00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: that if you're just measuring quality, it's got a lot

1124
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: of value to it. I really believe it's distinct, maybe

1125
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: too distinct for the American appetite. I guess we shall see.

1126
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to lose sight very quickly, very quickly

1127
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: if I can. For the other card one Championship one

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00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: sixty one, Pet Moricott taken on Tawan Chai or Tawanschai

1129
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: iver he pronounced it the muy Thai bout. They're one

1130
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: fifty five championship. Pet Moricott coming off a win over

1131
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: the Frenchman Jimmy Vienna. I thought Jimmy won that one.

1132
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: But by the way I bring us up to say,

1133
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: b see that Pet Moricott has done a ton of

1134
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: actual pro boxing and in his last fight, which was

1135
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: a title of defense which you want to be a

1136
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: split decision, he was getting tuned up a little bit

1137
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: at kickboxing distance, so he would close it and then

1138
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: work with the hands, and that actually is what changed

1139
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: the fight for him, getting a knockdown I think in

1140
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: the third or fourth round of that bout. So there

1141
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: is value that will be I think, like, what's the

1142
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: time to start time for that six thirty am on

1143
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: Thursday one on Prime Video two eight pm on Friday,

1144
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: Just to be clear about that, all right, I'm and

1145
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: there's gonna be their heavyweight semifinal Grand Prix tournament and

1146
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 1: kickboxing as well in that card.

1147
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: And that guy natsty Yukan that you talked about, he

1148
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 2: got knocked out in a minute by Christian Lee, the

1149
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: current lightweight champion, so he's got a bounce back from

1150
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: a two fight Skip Luke. All right, look in the moment,

1151
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: I'm being real with you. In the moment, I'm getting

1152
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: tuned up here on one. Okay, Luke, It's gonna take

1153
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: some time.

1154
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: It's different, That's what I mean. It's different. I think

1155
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: if you're a hardcore MMA fan, you might be hearing

1156
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying and being like, oh, this is crazy.

1157
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: Let me explain to you. Turn on this is just

1158
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: a great gauge. Turn on your local sports radio station

1159
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: and listen to what they talk about. They're only going

1160
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: to talk about high level UFC stuff, UFC pay per views.

1161
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: You might get some other small stuff sprinkled in, and

1162
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: that's really about it. Hardcore fans are very distinct from that.

1163
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: They don't understand that the largest portion of the NME

1164
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: fan base are casual fans. And casual fans do they

1165
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: have an appetite for stamp fair techs versus Jiheen Radzuin

1166
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I tend to think they

1167
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: probably don't. And so while I do really appreciate if

1168
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: you're a hardcore fan, one is kind of a delight.

1169
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: But they got their work cut out for them and

1170
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: trying to get all of these weird names, and I

1171
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 1: say weird again, unaccustomed to the American audience with different

1172
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: rules and all kinds of stuff. The product is dynamic.

1173
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: How sellable that product is to the American audience remains

1174
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: to be seen. I know what some people might be saying, Oh, well,

1175
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm Canadian, I'm brit I'm French or whatever. I don't

1176
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: care about that stuff, right, But the whole goal of

1177
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: being on Amazon and the way that they are and

1178
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: hiring our colleague from CBS Sports who they hired, the

1179
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: commentator Brett Brent Stover, it's over right. The whole idea

1180
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: is to actually break into this market. They want to

1181
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: bring a show to this market. You know, it's going

1182
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: to take some It's gonna take some work. It's gonna

1183
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: take a little bit of luck too, if we're being honest,

1184
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: all right. Topic number four BC Dana White, UFC president

1185
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: went on, tuckle Carlson. Now you sent me this clip,

1186
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: although I saw it all over Twitter as well, basically

1187
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: goes in there, apparently tucking Carlson, by the way, the

1188
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: top rated cable news show out there, independent of channel,

1189
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: although I wouldn't recommend watching any cable news of any

1190
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: variety whatsoever. He goes on there and does a lot

1191
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: which is taking a victory lap over COVID, which is

1192
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: just hilarious. People's amnesia on COVID drives me up the wall.

1193
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: But we have a little bit of a clip we'd

1194
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: like to react to. Let's play the clip and then

1195
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: we'll set this whole thing up.

1196
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 5: That's what the media does. Media does nothing. They never

1197
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 5: built anything. Nobody depends on them for a paycheck. But

1198
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 5: all they do is sit back and criticize. I'm going

1199
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 5: to kill people. I care more about money than I

1200
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 5: do human life. I heard it all, and the New

1201
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 5: York Times, as you can imagine, was blasting me daily.

1202
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: Because you were trying to keep your employees paid and

1203
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: fed and keep your business.

1204
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 5: Going right, because you're trying to figure out solutions to problems.

1205
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 5: You're trying to you know, everybody felt like it was

1206
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 5: this narrative during COVID that if you didn't run and hide,

1207
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 5: you were reckless, you were a monster, you didn't care

1208
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 5: about other people, and the list goes on and on.

1209
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: So how did you take it? They were working good.

1210
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 5: These guys had nothing to worry about. They were writing

1211
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 5: horror stories every day and they were all working.

1212
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: All right.

1213
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: Look, I mean the amnesia here, the gas lines hard

1214
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: just outrageous.

1215
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: Because the people that don't like us are waiting to go, oh,

1216
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: b C and Luke once again, you're going to do

1217
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: a victory lap on being in that stupid formnute video

1218
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: and getting your negative close up. Here's what sucks about

1219
00:57:53,520 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: this situation in Dana's miscrasp on properly framing what really happened,

1220
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: is he deserves a ton of credit, which he received

1221
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 2: from all of us once we got past the freakin

1222
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: Tachi palace incident. But whether it's making that four minute

1223
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: video or now these post romanticized speeches of what really happened,

1224
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: it's always well, the media hasn't done anything their scumbags. Well,

1225
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: first of all, the media also helped build the UFC.

1226
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 2: Let's not act like they didn't, right, Like when the

1227
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: UFC wanted media help in promoting them and Dana used

1228
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: to go to newspapers and knock on the door and

1229
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: really try to like say, hey, look you got to

1230
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: cover our sport. Media started to cover the sport like

1231
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: what they saw. They stuck with it. Number two, the

1232
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: media's job is to criticize. There to be that independent

1233
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: voice you know that sort of sits in the middle,

1234
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: asks the tough questions. It's what it is at the

1235
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: end of the day. Okay, you're not gonna get a million.

1236
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: You know, you're not gonna get everybody to act like

1237
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: the UFC wants them to act like. Which has come

1238
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: in there, don't ask the hard question, smile and get

1239
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: big page views for the company. But most importantly, it's

1240
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: just a misrepresentation of what actually happened. When Dana was

1241
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: going to go away from the state commissions, with the

1242
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: State of California directly saying do not put this fight

1243
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 2: card on. It's not safe. We will not back you

1244
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: and support you, and Dana saying, well, we don't need you.

1245
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: We'll just go to Tachi Palace on Native American ground

1246
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: and they'll say yes. And it went all the way

1247
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: up the chain to Disney reportedly picking up the phone

1248
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: and saying stand down. That's not on us, that's on you.

1249
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: But what you've done after that data has not only

1250
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: been completely commendable, it's not only allowed us, the fighters,

1251
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: the UFC staff to stay regularly employed focusing on the

1252
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: bigger topics. I mean, heck, Luke, you remember Prime pandemic

1253
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: when UFC was the only game in town. They were

1254
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: sending me down to the CBS Sports studio every Saturday

1255
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,479
Speaker 2: night doing like a half hour UFC postgame show after

1256
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 2: these pay per views. I mean, in those times, what

1257
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: did we do. Every time we're on a microphone, we

1258
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,959
Speaker 2: were saying, Wow, Dana White does deserve you know, Man

1259
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: of the Year considering or whatever you want to give

1260
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: him for fighting through, doing it safely and making sure

1261
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: the show will go on. But let's also realize he

1262
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: wasn't making sure the show will go on one hundred

1263
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 2: percent out of this robin hood spirit where he doesn't

1264
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: want anybody not to work. He can't get the seven

1265
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollar ESPN deal unless he meets

1266
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: the minimum number of shows. So it's all connected at

1267
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: the end of the day. But to constantly play this,

1268
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: these scumbags were after us, and all they did was

1269
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: question me and try to take me down Tachi Palace.

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Speaker 2: Yes we did. You were reckless after that when you

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Speaker 2: got actual state commission and real testing involved, and did

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01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: it not only the right way, you were ahead of

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01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 2: the game and how you did everything. We have praised you. Okay,

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01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: we lived through I'm acquiring an island. We lived through that.

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Speaker 2: We're still here. We love you in that regard Dana.

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Speaker 2: But it's not our jobs to fucking love you. It's

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01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: our jobs to ask the bad and tough questions that

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01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: you hate hearing, because that's real life accountability. The fuck

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Speaker 2: are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: This is what it is, dude, This is This is

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01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: what tells you everything you need to know about his

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01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: arguments on COVID. He can't make an argument about the

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Speaker 1: COVID record, honestly, and that's true about that video he

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01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: put out where you got butchered in it, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of other people too. For whatever reason, I managed

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Speaker 1: to avoid any of that. I don't quite understand those

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01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: situations there, but it doesn't matter. The point being is,

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Speaker 1: if you want to make an argument about your record,

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Speaker 1: make an argument about the record, I'll happily make one

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Speaker 1: about mine. All of this is on my personal YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: I encourage everyone listen to what I am saying. I

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01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: encourage everyone to go back and look. And what was

1293
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: I waiting for my view the entire time was it

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01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: will be safe to return when a state athletic commission

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Speaker 1: is able to actually regulate this through that era which

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Speaker 1: happened through Florida and around was in May of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: That was my argument. I had people blow me up

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Speaker 1: yesterday and be like, well, you would have shut UFC

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Speaker 1: down for a year. No, I am on the record

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Speaker 1: as saying it will be safe to return when a

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Speaker 1: commission can safely regulate this. And Florida, of course, is

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a you know, sock puppet commission

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01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: in that sense. But nevertheless, the state was on the

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01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: line for that, and they did it, and that was

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01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: the effort. And you'll recall, by the way that when

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01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: they were going to Tachi Palace before it all fell apart,

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01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: was Dana White did an interview saying, well, we had

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01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: figured it out, we got all figured out, we got

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01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: treadmills in everyone's room. No, you didn't. The UFC did

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Speaker 1: not figure it out. Yes, they had consulted with doctors.

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01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure that they thought they had figured

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Speaker 1: it out, but it wasn't. In fact, the regulations they

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01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: were going to use for that were not actually the

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Speaker 1: regulations that, for example, Nevada was putting into place, which

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: were much stricter about all different manner of things. This

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Speaker 1: is the record. Stand on your record. I will stand

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Speaker 1: on mind. It's not that hard to do. Wait until

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Speaker 1: the commissions can safely do it, do not run around

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Speaker 1: regulation inside the United States territory in order to do that,

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Speaker 1: which they tried, which, as you indicated, Disney shut down.

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Speaker 1: That's the record. Be honest about the record. The record

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Speaker 1: is exonerating on this end of things. And to your point,

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01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: you're right when they hit the Fight Island, they were

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01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: off to the races. God bless them. They put that

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01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: all together, and it was a great boon for us.

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01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: It was a great boon for the industry. But it

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01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: is so the consistent, the common denominator, the consistent threat

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01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: between that video and this interview is they cannot make

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Speaker 1: the argument honestly about what actually happened. And if that

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01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: doesn't tell you the story, I really don't know what does.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit here and say that the media

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01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: deserves a pat on the back. I don't really believe that,

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Speaker 1: and I don't really want to get into that. The

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Speaker 1: only thing that just drives me nuts is that everyone

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Speaker 1: has amnesia about what the actual record is. Let's set

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Speaker 1: the record straight and.

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Speaker 2: Look, if he wants to get mad at the mainstream

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01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: media that do not cover mma, who only covered it

1339
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: to jump in and shit on him. He can get

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01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: mad at all he wants it. I'm not gonna fight that, Luke. Okay,

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01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: But like it's it's like, look, what was the scumbag

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01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: MMA media during the Tachi Palace episode trying to do

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01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: protect the fighters in the UFC employees.

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01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: With their TECHNI protect the industry, dude going inside United

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01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: States Terror to worries when commissions were explicitly saying we're

1346
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 1: not going to regulate this, we don't think it's safe.

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01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: And then to go to Tachi Palace around that, that's

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01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: not good for MMA. I don't give a shit what

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01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: anybody says. That's bad for MMA. So if we spoke

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01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: up about that and that ruffled feathers, I don't know

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01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: what to tell you. That's the job of media.

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01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: It's just like, look, the job of media is to

1353
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: do both praise you when you deserve it, can criticize it,

1354
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: or even condemn you when you don't. That's what it is.

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01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: But Luke, this Tucker Carlston thing got a little bit

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: deeper when they announced not just that interview inside the Octagon,

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01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 2: but Tucker Carlson Originals, which is a company that does

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01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: documentaries on the Fox Nation subscription streaming service is now

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01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: doing a Dana White COVID documentary. But before I get

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Speaker 2: your reaction to that, here are the other topics that

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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson Originals have done documentaries on, Kid Rock, cattle mutilation,

1362
01:04:54,520 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 2: UFOs January sixth insurrection, and Testic tanning. So we will

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Speaker 2: add Dana White to that list. Luke, I'm sure you

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01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: didn't watch that UFC produced anniversary documentary they did praising

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's history of being for the brand. And by

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01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 2: the way, it's true, he has historically been for the

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Speaker 2: brand and was a key early cog in helping them.

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01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: What would it get what would it take to get

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Speaker 2: you to watch this Tuck Across and Dana COVID doc.

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Speaker 1: Thousand dollars cash? Okay, yeah, I mean I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: go out of my way to watch. I'll be very

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01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: clear about that.

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01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: I've said this from day one, and I stand by

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01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 2: it as a leader, as a maverick. Obviously, Dana White's

1375
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: got a great track record. Look at the success as

1376
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: a fearless businessman. I think one day he's going to

1377
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: pull this all together and run for governor of Nevada

1378
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 2: and see if he can take it even further, do

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01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: you get that feel Luke, I feel like Trump winning

1380
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: the presidency six years ago changed a lot of the

1381
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: rules and expectations of who can make crazy runs at something.

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01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: I'm I'm never going to count out Dana going into

1383
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 2: the political sphere. Do you see that coming?

1384
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 3: Ever?

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01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that, But that's not a I

1386
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: don't think that's a crazy thought. You know, I don't

1387
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: know if he wants that kind of headache. It's very

1388
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: easy to Okay, it's not easy to be the head

1389
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: of a major company in the way that he is.

1390
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's insanely difficult, but you have a certain

1391
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: degree of latitude in terms of what rules you can

1392
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: make and what how quickly people have to respond to

1393
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: what you say, versus working through the machine of government,

1394
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: which is a whole different business. I don't know if

1395
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: he wants that kind of headache, But but do I

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01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: think he could assemble a run potentially and be more

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01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: successful than like the sort of ham fisted attempts of

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01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: Tito and or bj Penn. Sure, sure I would imagine that.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I mean, he's got you know

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01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: he had I'll listen, let's defend Dana where it's right

1401
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: to defend him. He has in certain ways. Obviously he

1402
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: spoke in favor of Trump, if that's a thing that

1403
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: you like. He also had, you know, relationships with important

1404
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: politicians on the other side of the political aisle, Harry

1405
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: Reid being one of them, obviously a guy from But nevertheless,

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01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like he's been one sided in

1407
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: that way, so he could potentially pull from a broad

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01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: swath of an audience. I mean, these are I'm merely

1409
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: speculating here, but to that point in the UFC has

1410
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: tried to make sure that they had a lot of

1411
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: irons in the fire in a lot of different political directions. Yeah,

1412
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: fair enough. But you know this whole thing where everyone

1413
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: wants to rewrite the record because after they went to

1414
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: the commissions, all of a sudden everything started working well again. Great,

1415
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: Who the hell would have a problem with that. It

1416
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: was everything before that that we all had a problem with.

1417
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: That's the issue, that's the record. Let's be extremely clear

1418
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: about that, and by all means, please fact check. I

1419
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: don't have any issue with anyone doing that. All right, right,

1420
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: very good? Moving off from that last but not least

1421
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: definitely not least here is a really interesting situation. I

1422
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: think we got some tweets from Aaron Bronstead or our

1423
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: friend Abron lebent Over in Canada. There's a weird thing

1424
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: going on with Connor McGregor and USADA. Pull up the

1425
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: tweets if we can. This is what Aaron says quote.

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01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: After cross referencing the entire I can't go full screen

1427
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: on this. If you can for just a second. I

1428
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: want to read this off the screen if I can.

1429
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: After cross referencing the entire active UFC roster with USADA's

1430
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: athlete test history database, I found that Connor McGregor was

1431
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: the lone active fighter aside from athletes who signed, for example,

1432
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: after August first, to not be tested by USADA. I

1433
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: think we have another tweet or two if you want

1434
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 1: to put that up here real quickly, let's take a

1435
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: look at it. According to the UFC's antidoping policy, the

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01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: only way McGregor would be exempt from testing would be

1437
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: if his UFC contract was terminated, or he was provided

1438
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: the UA or excuse me, or he provided the UFC

1439
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: with a written notice that he was retiring. But as

1440
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: he notes, he is currently ranked eleventh and is in

1441
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: the lightweight rankings, and to our knowledge, has not retired.

1442
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: By the way, there's a little bit more to it

1443
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: than just that there was a statement from USADA. Let

1444
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: me read this here. This is just a part of

1445
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 1: the statement that USADA gave to Aaron Brown's or quote.

1446
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: Unless they that's the UFC notified excuse me, unless they

1447
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: notify the UFC their retirement, their contract is terminated, or

1448
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: are they otherwise removed from the program. There's language in there,

1449
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: then of course they would be tested. Listen to that,

1450
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: or they otherwise were removed from the program. Bce, what

1451
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: is otherwise removed from the program? Here's my question about this.

1452
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: I'd love to get an answer. Why can't we get

1453
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: a straight answer about this from Yousada? Right, the whole

1454
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: idea about anti doping is that we're the adults in

1455
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: the room. And if you're going to be the adults

1456
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 1: in the room, and you've got this database where you

1457
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: can see who was tested, how many times and what

1458
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: kind of a quadrant of the year, right, why can't

1459
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: they give a straight answer? And what the fuck does

1460
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: it mean otherwise removed from the program? Does that mean

1461
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 1: there's actually another carve out that exists that they haven't

1462
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: mentioned where you're not retired. You have been moved from

1463
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: the rankings row out of the way in which he had

1464
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: indicated with the previous tweet, But you could still not

1465
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 1: be part of the testing program and still be active

1466
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: on the roster. Is there another carve out? And if so,

1467
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: why aren't we being told about this? What do you

1468
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:15,759
Speaker 1: make of this whole situation?

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01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 2: Ah? Yeah, all right, Luke. I do always want to

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01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: remind when talking about Yusada in general that you saw

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01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 2: it wasn't boxing before it came to the UFC and

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01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 2: Thomas Howis or the Boxing Hall of Fame writer has

1473
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 2: done extensive research behind the scenes on Yusada's history in boxing,

1474
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: in which you know, hundreds or thousands, whatever the amount

1475
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 2: of tests that they did over almost a decade time

1476
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 2: as the preferred go to testing body and major boxing.

1477
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: One positive test came through Eric Morales against Dandy Garcia

1478
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: and their rematch in twenty twelve, and it was only

1479
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 2: because it got leaked and pushed and oh, by the way,

1480
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: even though Morales failed both of his samples for CLENBUTA,

1481
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 2: it was still allowed to fight that weekend. So if

1482
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: you come from boxing like I do. You never had

1483
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 2: a ton of respect for Yousada being overly legitimate. In fact,

1484
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: promoters went out of their way to use you Sada

1485
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 2: rather than the cheaper Vada at the time, which was

1486
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 2: an independent, voluntary situation with twenty four to seven testing

1487
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,959
Speaker 2: that did deeper testing. So you use that as the foundation,

1488
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 2: and then you go over UFC's history with you Sada,

1489
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 2: during which Luke had seemed like a strategic hire to

1490
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: join up to remove the reputation of people using it

1491
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 2: within the sport, maybe ahead of the big sale in

1492
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, or just at least to provide them with

1493
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 2: a well, hey, we tested them and you Sada's legit.

1494
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's not our fault type of response. If

1495
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 2: they need it, I get that, but we've already seen

1496
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 2: them Luke do somewhat unprecedented moves like move the John

1497
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: Jones Gustuson rematch during Christmas week to another state and

1498
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 2: then change the rule where positive tests are no longer

1499
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: going to go public, So the whole picogram thing could

1500
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 2: be going on with every fighter on the cart and

1501
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 2: we wouldn't even notice. And oh, by the way, you

1502
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: remember in twenty sixteen when brock Lesler was going to

1503
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 2: come back at UFC two hundred and the UFC and

1504
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: you saw to waive that rule that said you had

1505
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: to be in the testing pool for six months before

1506
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 2: coming back. So why doesn't why does connor have different circumstances?

1507
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:24,879
Speaker 2: Why are more and more of these things being pushed,

1508
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,799
Speaker 2: you know under cloak and dagger. You tell me, Luke, Okay,

1509
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: you tell me.

1510
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: I want to read that statement one more time, because

1511
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: I kind of butchered it a little bit. Here, here's

1512
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: the full one. I'm going to answer your question. Once

1513
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: UFC athletes are enrolled in the testing program, they are

1514
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 1: subject to testing even when not competing. By the way,

1515
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: Chris Wiman's not competing has been tested four times. Unless

1516
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: they notify the UFC of their retirement, their contract is terminated,

1517
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: or they otherwise are removed from the program. What the

1518
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: fuck does that last one mean? Otherwise? Okay, what would

1519
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: it mean to be otherwise removed if your contract's not

1520
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,839
Speaker 1: terminated and you've not indicated you want to retire.

1521
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 2: Maybe this is a celebrity who's been in the weight

1522
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 2: room like crazy lately. Posing in front of a mirror

1523
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 2: with a fish.

1524
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: Sounds like I'm going after Connor McGregor. I don't give

1525
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: a shit what Connor McGregor does. Like whatever he wants

1526
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: to do in his off time, Luke.

1527
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 2: Would approve him using right now spoiler.

1528
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me at all. I think largely this

1529
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: is all kabuki theater and people have been led to

1530
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: believe a bunch of Nancy Reagan war on drugs bullshit.

1531
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, I've had people write me being like,

1532
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of hearing your views. Boy, if you're

1533
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: tired of hearing my views, you should know how I

1534
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: feel where I have to hear this inundated fucking tsunami

1535
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: every day of clean sport and dirty sport, and we're

1536
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: after you know, we're trying to take care of sport.

1537
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: What a fucking bunch of nonsense that I'm subjected to

1538
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over again. Here's what

1539
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: it comes down to. USADA needs to say whether or

1540
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: not carve outs specifically exist outside of contract termination, outside

1541
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: of retirement, and whether or not McGregor is part of

1542
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: that this whole bullshit. We don't comment on the testing

1543
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: pool status of any particular athlete. What a fucking Dodge.

1544
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: You need to be if you want anybody to trust

1545
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: this bullshit. And I want to be very clear, I

1546
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: do not. I do not. But for all of the

1547
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: suckers out there who bought into this nonsense, there they

1548
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: are owed, at a bare minimum a degree of transparency.

1549
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: Are their carve outs by what means? Do they happen?

1550
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: Are you just making it up as you go? I

1551
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 1: want to put that out there.

1552
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the latter's correct. I think some of

1553
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 2: it is making it up as you go. All I'm

1554
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 2: saying is it's not a good look. We're not trying to,

1555
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 2: you know, bring down any ships. We're trying to be

1556
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: the media. But Luke, we have a transition to make here.

1557
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 2: Our guest stars rec us in. Our guest star is ready.

1558
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 2: She'll be main inventing Saturday's UFC Finite Fight Night card

1559
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:51,799
Speaker 2: and a must see women strawweight duel. It's Mackenzie Dern

1560
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: in the house live on Morning Combat. Mackenzie. Great to

1561
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 2: see you. Where we're figuring out the technical difficulties here in.

1562
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: Time we had her there, she is.

1563
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 2: There, she is Mackenzie. Hey, Yeah, the heck are you

1564
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 2: heading into I'm going to say it maybe the biggest

1565
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 2: fight of your career.

1566
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited. I'm happy.

1567
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 6: I'm ready for this, you know, definitely, you know, I'm

1568
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 6: so happy because after T Shirt Tours, my five T shirtors.

1569
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 4: I didn't get any injury.

1570
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 6: And I think for most of the fighters that's the

1571
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 6: most like, you know, we don't go into the fight

1572
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 6: home making sure we don't get hurt, you know, we

1573
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 6: need to go like prepared for anything, you know, die kill.

1574
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 4: Or be killed.

1575
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 6: You know. But definitely when you leave the fighting like Okay,

1576
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 6: I'm not injured, I can get back into training.

1577
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 4: That's a good feeling, you know.

1578
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 6: So I was able to kind of come six months

1579
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 6: training for this fight. Of course, like six months ago,

1580
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 6: I didn't know who I was going to fight. I

1581
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 6: don't know if would be like Rosunis, if Carlo would

1582
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 6: end up fighting Genuili, if I'd get like maybe slip

1583
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 6: into an interiem belt there young China. So I was

1584
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 6: just training, training, training, working on me, working on getting

1585
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 6: better my shriking, working on being a better you know.

1586
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 4: More involved.

1587
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 6: And yeah, when they closed the fight with Ian Shanna

1588
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 6: and I thought like, okay, she's not too far on

1589
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 6: the rinks.

1590
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 4: I'm number five, she's number six. That's good. And from

1591
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 4: what I saw with Carlos Fars, you know, I thought

1592
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 4: it was a good matchup for me.

1593
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 6: You know, of course she's she's dangerous, she has good striking,

1594
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 6: but it's a good it's a good step for me.

1595
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 4: I'm definitely excited. We both lost to Marina Rodriguez.

1596
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 6: We're both kind of right there in the top, you know,

1597
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 6: top five, top six, So yeah, I'm excited.

1598
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 4: This is a big, a big step.

1599
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: Mackenzie, As the UFC said anything to you about what

1600
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: a win here might mean, In other words, have you

1601
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 1: had any conversations about the distance between where you are

1602
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: right now and a title shot.

1603
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 4: No, not with you of this, not with the UFC.

1604
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 4: They haven't said anything like that.

1605
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 6: I mean, before this one, they had mentioned like they

1606
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 6: kind of offered Jessica Androtomy for like a short notice

1607
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 6: in June. Back in June, it's like June eate for

1608
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 6: a main event, but it was too close, you know.

1609
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 6: I wanted some more time, and I don't know if

1610
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 6: they ended up offering to Hurt too, And I think

1611
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 6: they just asked me and then I said no, So

1612
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 6: they didn't even get to offer to her.

1613
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 4: But I think from what they've been saying kind of

1614
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 4: the idea.

1615
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 6: I think, after if I get a good dominant win,

1616
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 6: fighting a former champion after this, whether it's Jessica or

1617
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 6: Rose or maybe the loser of Carla and Jiangweili would be.

1618
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 4: The next the next step, you know.

1619
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 6: But they did say, like, hey, would you be interested

1620
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 6: in fighting in Brazil in January?

1621
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh man, that's too close.

1622
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 6: I love you know, I've already found him real, But yeah,

1623
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 6: now I'm just preferred to like, train hard and be

1624
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 6: prepared for whoever my next opponent is.

1625
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: Mackenzie. You've made huge growth since we first saw you.

1626
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: We know no one can hang with you on the ground,

1627
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 2: but you've really worked on your striking. How comfortable do

1628
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 2: you feel now putting your striking game up there against

1629
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 2: your skills on the ground.

1630
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,759
Speaker 4: Oh man, I mean definitely.

1631
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 6: I don't want to be like, Okay, I'm gonna stay

1632
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 6: striking with a striker for twenty five minutes. You know,

1633
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 6: I've been doing du for twenty five years, you know,

1634
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 6: so that's that's always going.

1635
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 4: To be where I want to go.

1636
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 6: But I mean I think the same way some of

1637
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 6: the strikers probably feel like, Okay, I did enough grappling

1638
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 6: to at least defend myself on the ground from Mackenzie

1639
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 6: until the round is over, so we can stand back

1640
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 6: up or something, you know, or at least keep the

1641
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 6: distance enough to you know, steal the rounds by points.

1642
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 6: I definitely feel like, Okay, if I get to that,

1643
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 6: you know, that situation where I can't get them to

1644
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 6: the ground, I can hurt them with my striking.

1645
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 4: You know, I can win.

1646
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 6: I can steal the fights from a striker striking, you

1647
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 6: know what I mean. So yeah, coach for he's the man,

1648
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 6: you know. I mean, you can see with all the

1649
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 6: champions he's taught. Now it's kind of like me and

1650
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 6: Chetover where we're both almost in the same spot in

1651
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 6: our career. We're just like really picking up on it.

1652
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 6: I'm like, before I didn't want to be in my

1653
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 6: opponent's range, you know, I said, like okay, or on

1654
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 6: all the way out or I'm just all the way

1655
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 6: in and try and you know, close the distance. Now

1656
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 6: I realize, hey, I can play at my range, you know.

1657
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 6: And so even if they're tallar fighter, shorter fighter, I

1658
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 6: can be hurting them with my striking just because now

1659
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 6: I know what my my range is and feel comfortable there,

1660
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 6: and yeah, it's.

1661
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 4: Opening up everything. Just my base.

1662
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,919
Speaker 6: My striking is opening up like my kicks. I'm balanced.

1663
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 6: Now I can throw a cake and come back and

1664
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 6: be like striking. My takedowns are way better. So yeah,

1665
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 6: it's my striking is definitely I think, definitely getting close

1666
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 6: to like, you know, I think a UFC champion, you

1667
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 6: know level, what about your wrestling.

1668
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: Obviously on the ground, you might be the best grappler

1669
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 1: in all of UFC, right, I mean, certainly in terms

1670
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: of jiu jitsu decorations, they don't come much more decorated

1671
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: than you. But getting the takedown has obviously been something

1672
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: of a challenge in adapting to MMA. How do you

1673
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: feel like that's going?

1674
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, dis camp for three months, I I did my wrestling,

1675
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 6: so I was doing like wrestling three days a week.

1676
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 6: And before that I was kind of picking up on

1677
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 6: because Cheeto Verre and Luke Rock called they had camps

1678
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 6: before me, you know, so I was kind of picking

1679
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 6: up on their camps too, So it was it was

1680
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,759
Speaker 6: a really good time training and just adding the wrestling.

1681
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 6: I realized, you know, these girls they're so like on

1682
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 6: the defense, you know, and just on guard about the

1683
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 6: takedown and that even with my hands helping me, you know,

1684
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 6: if I have a couple options with my takedowns. I

1685
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 6: like judo, you know, I have a more Judo background

1686
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 6: with with my dad mad Judo black belt and things

1687
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 6: like that. But wrestling is like, man, you can just

1688
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 6: chain wrestling and keep going. And I was just at

1689
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 6: the ADCC a couple like two weeks ago, and I

1690
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 6: competed on the ADCC back in twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen,

1691
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 6: and was so good because I was like watching them.

1692
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 6: It's like jiu jitsu guys doing a lot of wrestling,

1693
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 6: and I'm like seeing so many oppert.

1694
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, I just learned that that wrestling move.

1695
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 6: Oh he could have gone there to the high crotch

1696
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 6: or to the single, you know, and I'm all.

1697
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 4: That just from one.

1698
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 6: My coach Daniel has been teaching me on the wrestling.

1699
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 6: So I'm definitely with or comfortable. I'm not crashing down

1700
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 6: when I go to a takedown, you know, I go

1701
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 6: they say like your head up, your butt down, you know.

1702
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 4: So I'm definitely getting.

1703
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 6: More technical and it's you can tell when the more

1704
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 6: technically you get, the easier it is. You know, before

1705
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 6: I was like, oh man, wrestling, my lower back is

1706
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 6: killing me, and I'm like, okay, I can do this.

1707
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 4: Let's go.

1708
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 1: Let me follow up real quickly if I can. With

1709
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: one other thing about ADCC, there actually was a fair

1710
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: amount of controversy on the women's side in the following

1711
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: way this year. Obviously, ADCC this past year was a

1712
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: big success, but people are now complaining there's only two

1713
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: women's divisions now. Obviously you have done well in grappling,

1714
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: but looking back on it, I guess you know, looking ahead, rather,

1715
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: would you like to see more women's divisions inside of

1716
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: ADCC competition.

1717
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I think we're definitely.

1718
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 6: I mean ADCC has been around what since nineteen ninety six,

1719
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 6: I think so, or maybe ninety eight, But it's been

1720
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 6: around for a long time, you know, so I mean

1721
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 6: adding and I think you could add maybe one more

1722
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 6: division for the DCC. But the I mean the most

1723
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 6: I think what's so prestigious about the a d CC

1724
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 6: is that it's like not anyone can do it.

1725
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 4: You know, It's not just back.

1726
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 6: Back then in Abu Dhabi was just an invitation only

1727
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 6: you know, and today it's still like invitation and you

1728
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 6: have only like a select trials, you know. So I

1729
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,839
Speaker 6: definitely think the woman's we could add maybe one more division,

1730
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 6: but I don't think it should be too like, you know,

1731
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 6: like the man's you know, like every ten kilos kind

1732
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 6: of thing like that. But I mean the hardest part

1733
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 6: really is Gaby Garcia. You know, she's just she's such

1734
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 6: a tough fighter, you know, and she's so big that

1735
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 6: it's like, you know, from the under sixty kilos when

1736
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 6: I was fighting, I mean, we had a couple of

1737
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 6: girls that maybe are like, you know, sixty five seventy kilos,

1738
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 6: but you know, it's like now they lose so much weight,

1739
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 6: and who's fighting underneath the sixty kilos are actually like

1740
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 6: girls who would be fighting in the bigger division, but

1741
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 6: you know, it's easier to go down than it is

1742
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 6: to fight Gaby Garcia kind of thing. So I mean, yeah, definitely,

1743
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 6: we've gotten so many more girls, so many more tough

1744
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 6: girls that are like, you know, professional the sport. I

1745
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 6: think we could definitely they could definitely add like one

1746
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 6: more division, but keep it like still small, you know,

1747
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 6: maybe eight fighters, you know, in each division, not like

1748
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 6: a whole bracket. So's just keep that prestige, that elite level.

1749
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,440
Speaker 6: You know, only the best of the best.

1750
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: Mackenzie, you're still so young and rising, but you were

1751
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 2: alive and where when women were not fighting in the UFC.

1752
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 2: So what do you think was that moment that you know,

1753
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 2: you said to yourself, Wow, I can go down this path.

1754
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: I can do this. I could be a you know,

1755
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 2: MMA world champion at the highest level.

1756
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 6: I mean, like, I mean, I'm gonna say Ronda of course,

1757
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 6: you know, Ron is definitely the one that you know,

1758
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 6: so like, oh, dang, so we can make money. You know,

1759
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 6: people can make money, and people know women can make

1760
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 6: money and live off of just you know, MMA. And

1761
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 6: look how many like people are watching her, you know,

1762
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 6: people want to watch and seeing the fact that she

1763
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 6: had like judo takedowns and armbars, I identified a lot

1764
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 6: to that. You know, It's like, okay, that's that's similar to.

1765
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 4: What I do, you know, And.

1766
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 6: I was a little bit like, oh, I don't know,

1767
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 6: because you know her, her personality is a little bit

1768
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 6: more like forward and tough girl and and stuff like that.

1769
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 4: So I'm like, man, I don't know if I can bring.

1770
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:13,759
Speaker 4: I don't bring.

1771
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 6: That that that part to the MMA, So I don't

1772
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 6: know if many people will want to watch what I do.

1773
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 6: But the more I realized, hey, you know, boys, who

1774
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 6: was the first of the UFC UFC one jiu jitsu?

1775
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 6: You know, and the fact that like I was watching,

1776
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 6: like okay, the girls, there's still a weakness in the

1777
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 6: jiu jitsu level for the for the MMA, you know,

1778
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 6: I think for the guys and the girls, you know,

1779
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 6: but especially especially for the girls because the vision there's

1780
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 6: still like few, you know. So I say, okay, I

1781
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 6: think I can make I can make a statement representing

1782
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 6: jiu jitsu, you know, if I can get my submissions there.

1783
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 6: And then of course the guys, the guys at the

1784
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 6: gym are like, oh, you should do it, you should

1785
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 6: do it.

1786
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 4: No one has your jiu jitsu.

1787
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 6: Come on, I announced like I was training, and then

1788
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 6: Sean Shelby called me up right away, Hey, I'll come

1789
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 6: up to meet you. Let's talk, you know, And you know,

1790
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 6: I hadn't even done one MM fight in my career,

1791
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 6: you know, but he just she saw the potential on me,

1792
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 6: and that was kind of like Okay, I'm gonna try this.

1793
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 4: I think I can, I think I can, I can

1794
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 4: do good.

1795
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: You know, well, obviously you had a different kind of

1796
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 2: upbringing where jiu jitsu was such a big part of

1797
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: it being being close to your father. Are you raising

1798
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: your daughter in the same environment that you kind of

1799
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 2: grew up in where it's just jiu jitsu by day,

1800
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 2: you know, jiu jitsu by night. Basically, Man, I'm trying to.

1801
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 6: I'm trying to so much. You know, it's crazy because

1802
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 6: I had her at my face of MM fighter, you

1803
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 6: know what I mean, none of my jiu jitsu face.

1804
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 4: You know.

1805
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 6: So she's kind of like she's more in love with

1806
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 6: the striking. You know, she wants to she likes to

1807
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 6: take that down and on bars and things like that.

1808
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 4: She trains jiu jitsu.

1809
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 6: She rolls at home with me, but you know, she's

1810
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 6: there almost every day watching me, like punching the face,

1811
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 6: bloody nose, kicking, you know. She comes and tries to

1812
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 6: crack my my punching technique.

1813
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 4: You know. So I'm like, I'm trying to put her

1814
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 4: into I'm trying to get her into the jiu jitsu base,

1815
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 4: you know, and then she and then she can add

1816
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 4: on her striking and stuff like that.

1817
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 6: If she wants to be a fighter, right, you know,

1818
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 6: but I think for sure definitely prefer her to be

1819
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 6: in the jiu jitsu. And I understand my dad, you know,

1820
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 6: not wanting me to be an MM fighter. Watching your

1821
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 6: your little girl get punched in the face, it's not good,

1822
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 6: you know. So I'm I'm like, oh, I don't want

1823
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 6: to see her gid be a coom a fight. I'm

1824
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 6: trying to fight so she doesn't have to. When she

1825
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 6: gets right, she can go and be a surfer and

1826
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 6: you know, jiu jitsu fighter, travel the world, you know,

1827
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 6: lay on the sun.

1828
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 4: I have a good life.

1829
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 6: But hey, if she wants to, you know, follo in

1830
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 6: her mom's footsteps, what I'm gonna what am I gonna say? Right,

1831
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to just support her and give her

1832
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 6: the best advice I can give her.

1833
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: Tell me how you think the upcoming title fight in

1834
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: your division is going to go between Carla Esparza and

1835
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: John Wiley.

1836
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 4: Oh? I think Jong Wiley is gonna win.

1837
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 6: I mean, Carla's a vist, you know, She's It's just incredible.

1838
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 6: How from the first champion of the strawweight division, you know,

1839
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 6: with her with her style, you know, kind of wrestling

1840
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 6: so many years later can just win the title again

1841
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 6: and kind of basically with her same style. You know,

1842
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 6: it says something about that you know, and everyone knows, like, hey,

1843
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 6: she's going to take you down.

1844
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 4: She has her takedowns and they fall into the trap.

1845
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1846
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 4: It's almost like uh kabibi.

1847
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: You know.

1848
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 4: For the woman's division, it's crazy. So, I mean, Carla

1849
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 4: is just so experienced.

1850
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,759
Speaker 6: She's so good at her at her strategy, at her style,

1851
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 6: at her game plan. She can put it with any

1852
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 6: type of person like a jiu jitsu fighter, striker.

1853
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 4: You know, people respect that you know of her.

1854
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 6: But I think John Willey is just just all around

1855
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 6: the beasts. I think for twenty five minutes, it's going

1856
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 6: to be a lot of pressure, especially after that spinning

1857
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 6: back that she did with Joanna.

1858
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, by the way I saw you,

1859
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: you did a like you were telling the world about

1860
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 1: like some of your favorite things. There's a there's an

1861
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 1: MMA media guy who does think called humanizing Athletes, and

1862
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 1: it said your favorite movie was A Night's Tale. I

1863
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I don't hate that movie, but I

1864
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 1: have a two thumbs down your favorite movie.

1865
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,759
Speaker 6: Okay, the truth is because I had a huge crush

1866
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 6: on Heath Ledger.

1867
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 4: That was my celebrity crush.

1868
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: Fair enough.

1869
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 2: There's different kinds of cinematic classics. Okay, look sometimes it

1870
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: could just feel good, all right, But Kenzie Dirt, you're

1871
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 2: you're a busy woman. But we've got a huge fight,

1872
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 2: Yon Shannan. You both have recent defeats to Marina Hadriguez,

1873
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 2: who may be next in line for the title. What

1874
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: was the biggest takeaway from your loss to Marina that

1875
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 2: you can apply now in taking one step closer to

1876
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: that title?

1877
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,799
Speaker 6: The biggest takeaway, I mean, I think was just to trust,

1878
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 6: you know, trust trusting myself, you know, be confident.

1879
01:28:59,120 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 3: You know.

1880
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 4: I think I was a lot in that fight, you know,

1881
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 4: I kind of I.

1882
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 6: Think Tisha and Marina they're both like the two fighters

1883
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 6: of the Straway Division that moved the most, you know,

1884
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 6: and Marina especially she's tall for the Straway division. No,

1885
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 6: so she can just stay on the outside and touch

1886
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 6: you and you know, touch you and be out, you know,

1887
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 6: touch you and move and like now that I felt

1888
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 6: that and I got away and like now I'm like

1889
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 6: I said, I learned what my own range is.

1890
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 4: Now.

1891
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 6: I feel like, okay, I can close the distance with

1892
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 6: anyone now and just I mean seeing how I even

1893
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 6: with when we did go to the ground with Marina,

1894
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 6: you know, I had so many good positions. And that's

1895
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 6: why with this camp I made sure to train a

1896
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 6: lot my jiu jitsu still, you know, even though I

1897
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 6: feel like, okay, I'm just good, but you know I'm

1898
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 6: the I have the best jiu jitsu I think in

1899
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 6: the straway division, you know. So it's like when I

1900
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 6: go to the ground, I shouldn't be getting back up,

1901
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 6: you know, I should be finishing the girls there.

1902
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 4: You know, that's my that's my job. You know.

1903
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 6: I think it's like when I get to the ground,

1904
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 6: I need to be finishing. And I got in lots

1905
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 6: of good positions Marina and I let I let it go. No,

1906
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 6: I didn't let it go, but I let it escape.

1907
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 6: You know, she was able to hold off. I didn't

1908
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 6: finish her before the round was always started back up

1909
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 6: again like going to the next round. So I'm like, okay,

1910
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 6: I trained that. I focused on that and the same

1911
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 6: with teaching. You know, those are the biggest things I

1912
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 6: came off of. That is like Okay, when I get

1913
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 6: to the ground, the fine needs to be over, you know,

1914
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:26,560
Speaker 6: no giving, no letting that, no mercy, the enemy.

1915
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 2: Will deserve no mercy. Luke, Okay, you got that right.

1916
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. The last one for me here, which would just

1917
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: be in terms of what you thought you were up

1918
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: against when you transition into MMA, and now you understand

1919
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 1: MMA so much better. What's been the biggest learning lesson

1920
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: in terms of that transition? What has been the thing

1921
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: that's been the hardest that you now maybe didn't appreciate

1922
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: before but you fully appreciate now.

1923
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 4: I mean the boxing.

1924
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 6: I think the boxing was the part that I most

1925
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,600
Speaker 6: fell in love with and that I most realized, Like,

1926
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 6: the boxing is what's going to help set up everything else,

1927
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:04,759
Speaker 6: even my takedowns, my ground and just feeling. I always

1928
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 6: just wanted to, like, you know, brawl, do a brawl

1929
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 6: and you know, try and knock out and hope that

1930
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 6: something lands, you know, And now I realize, you know,

1931
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 6: and I learned that you know, if you just place

1932
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 6: it in the right place, you know, and higher volume

1933
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 6: like one, two, three, four, five, it's way more effective.

1934
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 6: And that sets up you know, everything. When I get

1935
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 6: the girls to put their hands up, you know, the fan, Okay,

1936
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 6: I can take down when when fainting, you know, and

1937
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 6: realizing that the whole game is similar to jujitsu, you know,

1938
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 6: it's like jiu jitsu.

1939
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 4: We set up things all the time. I try and

1940
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 4: sweep you.

1941
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 6: And then when you defend the sweep, I go farm bar,

1942
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 6: you know, or when you go to one way, I

1943
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 6: already use you and I push her away to the

1944
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 6: other side, and then I do a different you know,

1945
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 6: then I do something else. So now I'm like, Okay,

1946
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 6: the strikings like that too, and I understand it more

1947
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 6: as I did in my whole Digitsu creer, and I

1948
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:53,560
Speaker 6: can have the same mindset that I did for my

1949
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 6: digitsu career.

1950
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 4: With MMA, that's like a totally new sport really, you know.

1951
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 6: So I think that was the biggest thing, and just

1952
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 6: just taking my time, you know. I think as soon

1953
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 6: as I came into the UFC, was like so much

1954
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 6: hype behind me, like, oh, the next round of Rowsei,

1955
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 6: the next round of Rousi and all this stuff, and

1956
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 6: I felt like, man, I needed to you know, the UFC,

1957
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 6: you know, the media was kind of doing more than me.

1958
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 6: But you end up falling into this like Okay, yeah,

1959
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 6: I guess I'm going up fast.

1960
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 4: In the ranking and everything.

1961
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 6: And just you see, like Charlie's de Bronx, who's been

1962
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 6: been in this for a long time, has had so

1963
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,480
Speaker 6: many fights, he has the record of the most omissions,

1964
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 6: and now finally he became the champ, and I think

1965
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 6: he is at the best moment of his career, like

1966
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 6: finally mature as a fighter. And I realized, Okay, yeah,

1967
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 6: my career doesn't have to be like in one year,

1968
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 6: two years, you know, just take my time and when

1969
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 6: I'm ready to be the champion, I'm going to be

1970
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 6: a good champion, you know, like prepared and stay there

1971
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 6: for a long time and be well rounded.

1972
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 2: She's the first Mackenzie Dern believe that she'll be fighting

1973
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:57,839
Speaker 2: y'all Sean on this Saturday, UFC APEX ESPN plus UFC

1974
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 2: Fight Night. But Cassie, thank you for your time. And

1975
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 2: don't let those hecklers talk about the accent. It's authentic, imperfect.

1976
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, all right, be well, thank you

1977
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 2: so much for joining us.

1978
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, McKenzie exactly, thank you. There she goes, all right,

1979
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: the very talented McKenzie durn all right, BC let's see

1980
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 1: if we can reset here. I'm not sure what the

1981
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: tech team is doing.

1982
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 2: Hey, shout out to our tech team for making it happen. Luke,

1983
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 2: we're growing right in front of you.

1984
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's see what they're doing here.

1985
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I'm looking at on zoom is

1986
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 1: what the crowd sees. I don't know what they see. Uh,

1987
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: he says, keep going, all right, let's do this then, BC.

1988
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if the team is ready. I can't

1989
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: see you on.

1990
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 2: Zoom, so don't you know they don't really need to

1991
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 2: see me, Luke?

1992
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 1: But all right, well, we want to transition if we can,

1993
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: to Cory, you guys read a transition to the movie

1994
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: stuff or not? Yes?

1995
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 2: Hey, good what everything's working out perfectly today, Tommy Wise,

1996
01:33:59,040 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 2: what a day?

1997
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 3: Say?

1998
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 1: I gotta say, you know me, I'm Debbie Downer, I'm

1999
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: Captain grumpy Pants. I didn't think this was gonna work.

2000
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: Not only did it work, she was very nice, gave

2001
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: great answers. She was on time.

2002
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 4: She was on time.

2003
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: They never show up on time.

2004
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,759
Speaker 2: She was on time, so, Luke, but she is always

2005
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 2: on time.

2006
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: I'll give her that, all right, Sure, all right, so

2007
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: I asked her that question about the movies she didn't

2008
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: think called humanizing athletes. I always mispronounced his last name.

2009
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: I think it's Alex Bahuonan. He's a great journalist out

2010
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. He writes for MM Fighting and some

2011
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: other places. He does this thing where he asked these

2012
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: fighters favorite food, favorite drink, favorite color, favorite movie, favorite whatever,

2013
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 1: all this different stuff and they always fill in the answers,

2014
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,759
Speaker 1: and sometimes they're weird, sometimes they're cool, sometimes they're normal.

2015
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: Mackenzie's are mostly great, although she did like Justin Bieber.

2016
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 1: I didn't care for that. But her favorite movie was

2017
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: A Knight's Tale, and I tweeted. I was like, yo,

2018
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna give her if if A Knight's Tale is

2019
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: APEX cinema, we got to give her some recommendations. And

2020
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: people were like, boy, people went to the mat for

2021
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: A Night's Tale. Now, BC, I understan stand that if

2022
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: someone acts like they know better than someone, that's the

2023
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: fastest way to piss somebody off.

2024
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 2: But that's your default state.

2025
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: Here's what I want to say. Here's what I want

2026
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:12,799
Speaker 1: to say. If you're one of those people that defended

2027
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:14,639
Speaker 1: A Knight's Tale, I just want you to know, from

2028
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 1: the bottom of my heart, I know better than you.

2029
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to be very clear about that.

2030
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:22,879
Speaker 2: Every girl who was of teenage age between nineteen ninety

2031
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty two loves The Nights Tale. So let's

2032
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,520
Speaker 2: not act like.

2033
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: Ye set male or female, hetero or not wanted to

2034
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 1: bang Heath Ledger. It just is what it is. I

2035
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 1: understand that too. But in the spirit of fun, In

2036
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 1: the spirit of fun, BC and I said, why don't

2037
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:44,799
Speaker 1: we come up with five good movies that MMA fans

2038
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,560
Speaker 1: might watch fair enough to say, I'm not going to

2039
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 1: pick you the most, like I'm not going to go

2040
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 1: with Kira Corusow all nerdy and all that bullshit.

2041
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 2: These are recommendations, our top ten.

2042
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: Real ass recommendations.

2043
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 2: Because Mackenzie Dern chose something that speaks to her. These

2044
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 2: are our top five of the week. Is five movie

2045
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 2: recommendations that if you haven't seen them, they speak to us.

2046
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 2: Let's go to the graphic.

2047
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: We got a graphic for this.

2048
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, top five All right, yeah.

2049
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: Look at that.

2050
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's not the favorite movies. It's a movie

2051
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 2: recommendation list.

2052
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah it's not top five. Yeah, let's be very clear

2053
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 1: about this. The graphic is wrong. It's not top five favorite.

2054
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: It's just five movies we want to recommend to MMA fans.

2055
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: But in the in the spirit of good faith, in

2056
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 1: all fun BC, why don't you go first?

2057
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:30,599
Speaker 2: Okay, number five? Look, I had to pick a zany

2058
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 2: nineties comedy. Why because that's who I am. People forget

2059
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 2: this in the great canon of Saturday Night Live stars

2060
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 2: expanding their art form to the cinema nineteen ninety three.

2061
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 2: So I'm married an axe murderer, Luke, It's not going

2062
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,759
Speaker 2: to be an award winning comedy, but it's Mike Myers

2063
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 2: and Randy and Nancy Travis. Excuse me. Anthony Lapolia is

2064
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 2: a great cop buddy, great cameos from Phil Hartman, Charles Groden,

2065
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 2: Michael Richards, among others. But Luke, this is Mike Myers

2066
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 2: taking his zany comedy and taking the foundation of what

2067
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 2: would become the Austin Powers character. You can see a

2068
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:11,719
Speaker 2: lot of those derivatives in this, showing his first major

2069
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 2: feature starring comedy role. It's zany, it's wacky, It's got

2070
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 2: so many great one liners. Director Thomas Schlame, Luke, you

2071
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 2: may remember him as the executive producer of The West Wing.

2072
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 2: I found out here Luke. Budget was twenty million. It

2073
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 2: only made eleven and a half in the theater. But

2074
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 2: it became one of those cult VHS tapes because it's

2075
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 2: just Mike Myers playing himself, playing his father, classic lines

2076
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 2: like there's a piper down and Hid move Hid. I mean,

2077
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 2: you can't forget these things. It's fantastic. And by the

2078
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 2: way I found out, do you know who turned down

2079
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 2: the roles for this? Woody Allen Chevy, Chase Martin Short,

2080
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 2: Albert Brooks, and Sharon Stone for the lead female role

2081
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 2: all turned it down. It won't win any awards, but

2082
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 2: you want to put on something and laugh in a

2083
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 2: kind of zany BC type of way. So I married

2084
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,799
Speaker 2: an X Murder as a forgotten comedy classic.

2085
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 1: Thank you, uh head Pence, Now right, I remember all

2086
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: that shit. It's you're right. I completely co sign on this.

2087
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 2: Did Mike Myers become insufferable? Yes? This is prime, brother,

2088
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 2: This is like.

2089
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 1: This is like post SNL. I'm not sure exactly when

2090
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,560
Speaker 1: he left SNL, but it felt like it was post SNL.

2091
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 2: Post Wayne Wayne's world.

2092
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 1: So he was right, Yeah, he was killing it there

2093
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: for my first one. Now, this is the only one

2094
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 1: I've recommended that super gritty, super dark. Well that's not

2095
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 1: quite true, but this is the only one I recommended

2096
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: that's foreign language, that's super gritty. All right, but you

2097
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,560
Speaker 1: gotta go with me on this one. Okay, morees perros,

2098
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 1: which literally means like like it more or less do

2099
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 1: no dog love, But no, I mean it's sort of

2100
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 1: like more like like like uh love dogs love bitch. No, no, no,

2101
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 1: but it's more like loves of bitch, like difficult love

2102
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 1: or hard love, that kind of a thing. It's a

2103
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Mexican movie, by the way. It stars Gayle Garcia bernald who,

2104
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 1: by the way, played Hector in Coco. I think he

2105
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 1: also played Roberto Duran in Monos de Piedra. I think

2106
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 1: he did that this movie. If you want to know

2107
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:17,639
Speaker 1: how dark and gritty it is the guy who made

2108
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: the director who made The Revenant, that's the movie where

2109
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio gets mulled by the bear. It's the same

2110
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 1: director of this movie. It's Alejandro Gonzalez Jarritu. That's his name.

2111
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's it's one. It's maybe one of

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Speaker 1: the best foreign language movies I've ever seen. It's three

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Speaker 1: stories all in one movie, and it is all about

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Speaker 1: how these loving, complicated relationships when they're not managed properly,

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Speaker 1: plus people in difficult circumstances, how it can easily descend

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Speaker 1: into chaos and in unpredictable ways. And it is fucking awesome.

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Speaker 1: I cannot of all the movies I picked, I put

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Speaker 1: a number five, but of all the ones I picked,

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Speaker 1: this is by far the best one, like by far

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Speaker 1: the best one. In fact, it's largely considered to be

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Speaker 1: one of the best Mexican movies made ever. Ever. So

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Speaker 1: you've got a list actors, you've got an a list director,

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01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: you've got three stories packed into one movie. They don't

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Speaker 1: all interest. They don't really, it's not like they're they're

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Speaker 1: basically separate stories. It's easy to get through. You can

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Speaker 1: watch it in pieces. Because of that, cannot recommend it enough.

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Speaker 1: My only warning to everyone is it's a tough watch.

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01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:34,839
Speaker 1: It's a tough watch. There's fucking violence everywhere, blood a lot,

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Speaker 1: and betrayal and all that kind of stuff. But but

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01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: one of the more unique movies you're ever gonna see,

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Speaker 1: powered powered by excellent filmmakers.

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Speaker 2: Look, I had a hard time not just putting my

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Speaker 2: five most recent favorite neo noir flicks in here. Would

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Speaker 2: you say it fits that category of genre.

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Speaker 1: Something like that. Yeah, it was made in two thousand.

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Speaker 1: It's not that old. I guess that's kind of old,

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01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 1: but you know it's not super old. You still have

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01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:00,680
Speaker 1: relevant again, the director is still relevant. Some of the

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01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:04,719
Speaker 1: actors are still relevant. It's a tough watch, but you'll

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01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:06,720
Speaker 1: never forget this movie, and once you see it, I'll

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01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: put it down.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm always down to watch a tough watch one time, Luke, Like,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to watch Schindler's List again.

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Speaker 1: Right, It's exactly right. I mean it's not quite on

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01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: the level of Schindler's List. It's a little more accessible

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01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 1: than that. But to your point, yes.

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Speaker 2: All right, number four for me, Luke. They used to

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01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 2: talk about this film a lot in the seventies. Nobody

2149
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 2: talks about it anymore. I just watched it for the

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01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 2: first time. Matt Snyder of Showtime made Me Do It

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01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six is network, Luke. You cannot find a

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01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 2: more award winning film. When you consider that this film

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01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:45,839
Speaker 2: was nominated and won Best Actor. Peter Finch posthumously Best

2154
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 2: Actress Faye Dunaway, Best Supporting Actress Beatrice Strait, who was

2155
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 2: in the film for five minutes and did one speech,

2156
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 2: and won the Oscar and Best Screenplay. There was also

2157
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:00,679
Speaker 2: another actor nominated for Best Actor, William Holding, that didn't

2158
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:05,679
Speaker 2: win it, and the Best Director and Best Supporting Actors

2159
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 2: also came up empty. But Luke, what is it? It's

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01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 2: a satirical black comedy drama in which an aging news

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01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:15,599
Speaker 2: character newscaster Howard Beale is the character's name, uh, loses

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01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 2: his shit on air, goes mentally crazy, and the ratings

2163
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 2: of him on air telling his inside truth, his you know,

2164
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories started going up through the roof so much

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Speaker 2: on network television here that suddenly people became the network

2166
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 2: execs became so aggressive and wanting to exploit it that

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01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 2: suddenly the entire industry flipped itself on its head desperate

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Speaker 2: for ratings. This film is the absolute best predictor, some

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01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 2: twenty five years earlier, of where we would be at

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Speaker 2: the turn of a century, with garbage reality TV that

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01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 2: we are addicted to that we cannot stop watching. This

2172
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 2: predicted that in such a crazy dark way with murder

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01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,320
Speaker 2: it's got huge stars, it's got that famous quoest I'm

2174
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 2: mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore.

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01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 2: Anyone who grew up going to Yankee Stadium always remember

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01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 2: they play that scene to get the crowd hyped up.

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Speaker 2: This is absolutely an instant classic that I'd never seen. Luke,

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Speaker 2: did you see this thing? It is so damn brilliant.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it was done all the way back

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01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six. Ned babies in it. He was

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Speaker 2: nominated for an award. I mean, it's got one star

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01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 2: after another, but collectively they nailed this thing.

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Speaker 1: Haven't seen it since college. But everything you're saying again, dude,

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Speaker 1: two thumbs up on your recommendation. I like both of

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01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 1: the movies you've recommended so far. Network is absolutely everything.

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01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 1: BC says. It is iconic scenes, predictor of the future,

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01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 1: it has last Here's the thing. It just stands the

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01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 1: test of time, made before you and I were both born,

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01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 1: and you can watch it now and be like, holy

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01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 1: fucking shit, that's how good this movie is. I echo

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01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: everything BC says, thank you, all right. My number four

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01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: so because my number five choice was both a foreign

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01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 1: language movie and a fucking violent one. At that I

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01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 1: decide to go the opposite. Here is a movie you

2195
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 1: just can't go wrong on, especially if you're a pothead.

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01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 1: My number four choice fun fun comedy. Sean of the

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Speaker 1: Dead is a two thousand and four British movie, although

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01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,120
Speaker 1: I think you can get it a lot of different places.

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Speaker 1: The two guys who star in this, Simon Pegg and

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01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 1: Nick Frost, You've seen them a million times. They're a

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01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: hilarious comedy do in fact the guy Simon Peg BC.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen any of the Mission Impossible movies? The

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01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 1: guy on the Computer the more recent Tom Cruise versions.

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01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: Now that's Simon Pegg. He also plays Scotty and Star

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01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,599
Speaker 1: Trek and the new Readaptive Star Trek. It's the big

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Speaker 1: fat dude who's Nick Frost and then Simon Peg. It's

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01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 1: a zombie apocalypse story where these two British morons don't

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01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 1: really get what guy gets fired from his job and

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Speaker 1: they don't realize there's a zombie apocalypse and it's them

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01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:51,680
Speaker 1: trying to navigate that in the process. It is fucking hilarious.

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01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 1: British comedy is some of the best comedy anywhere. Easy

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01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: to watch, funniest shit runtime. I don't think is that long.

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01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: Didn't make a ton of Yeah, ninety nine minutes. You

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01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:03,640
Speaker 1: can get in and out of this thing, no problem,

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01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,719
Speaker 1: super super funny, and it doesn't take itself so seriously.

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01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: All those zombie flicks where they're all trying to outdo

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01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:14,560
Speaker 1: each other and everything, there's none of that. It's just lighthearted,

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01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 1: good fun, great jokes. The buddy comedy duo between Frost

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01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 1: and Peg is next level. Can't recommend it enough. Sean

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Speaker 1: of the Dead.

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Speaker 2: Have never seen it or heard of it, Luke, But

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01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 2: you had me, Okay, you had me.

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Speaker 1: I'll watch it do Of all the ones I recommend,

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01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: I would put this one number one for you. Sean

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01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 1: of the Dead is very easy to watch and fucking hilarious.

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01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:36,759
Speaker 2: All right, my number three not on my favorite movie

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01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 2: list despite the words on the screen. How about my

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01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 2: recommendation list, Luke, you remember peak Pandemic. I did nothing

2229
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 2: but drink alcohol and watch war movies one after another

2230
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:47,640
Speaker 2: to make my final top twenty Power rankings of the

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01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 2: best war movies ever made. You know what I've kept

2232
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 2: not talking about, And I think if there's a reason

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01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three's Gettysburg. It gets forgotten in the modern

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01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 2: history of war movies. Why because it was supposed to

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01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 2: be a TNT mini series and it's four hours and

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01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:07,679
Speaker 2: fourteen minutes long. But Ted Turner, who owns CNT, of course,

2237
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:10,719
Speaker 2: watched it, saw the quality in it. He actually acted

2238
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 2: in it as a as a general in the background.

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01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,600
Speaker 2: Put it in the theaters. It kind of failed in

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Speaker 2: the theaters. It cost twenty million to be made and

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01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 2: only made twelve million. But you are talking about star

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01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 2: studded performances Jeff Daniels, Sam Elliott, Tom Behringer, Martin Sheen,

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01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:28,800
Speaker 2: c Thomas Howell. But most importantly, it's centered around a

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01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 2: specific battle in Gettysburg in the turning of the of

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01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 2: the Civil War. And Jeff Daniels, Luke, I think got

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01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 2: absolutely robbed that year in nineteen ninety three of an

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01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 2: Oscar nomination for Best Actor. Just puts in the good

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01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 2: performance performance of his career. And obviously we know I'm

2249
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 2: dumb and dumberies done a ton of serious roles. I

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Speaker 2: loved him in that HBO series The Newsroom that came

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01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 2: out about ten years ago. But Luke, this is the

2252
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 2: performance of his career. It is four hours long. It's epic.

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01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 2: It's slow, but it's great. And I think whenever we

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01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 2: talk about Glory and all these great war movies that

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Speaker 2: we all grew up with, people forget this one. It

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01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 2: used to rotate on TNT every weekend. You'd have to

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01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 2: buckle up. It's a classic. You're not going to be disappointed.

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Speaker 1: Believe me on that. I haven't seen Gettysberg in a

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01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 1: long time, but it's it's pretty good. By the way,

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Speaker 1: gaff says, honorary mentioned for war movies the Thin Red Line, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, folksmen don't remember this nineteen ninety eight's

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01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:22,759
Speaker 1: Best Oscar nominations. I believe had both Thin Red Line

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01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,640
Speaker 1: and Saving Private Ryan in it, So keep that in

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Speaker 1: mind for me. My number three. So I went crazy

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01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 1: gritty foreign film. I went very funny British film. But

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01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,719
Speaker 1: it's really not that foreign. Let's go to this one.

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01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:37,719
Speaker 1: Here is a movie that my dad told me about.

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01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 1: He's like, it's a true story. I'm like, this old

2269
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 1: motherfucker doesn't know shit about movies. You think I want

2270
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 1: to see some bullshit? So he made me watch it

2271
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy crap. My dad actually had

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01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 1: a great recommendation quiz show. This came out in nineteen

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01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: ninety four. It's a true story. There used to be

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01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 1: a game show on NBC back in the day called

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01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 1: I Think twenty one, and they would I don't want

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01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:03,120
Speaker 1: to reveal the plot, even though it's already already out,

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01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 1: because everyone knows the true story. There was a history.

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01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 1: There was a family that was famous intellectuals, the van

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01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: Doren family. In fact, I've read one of his dad's

2280
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 1: books on pieces of world history. The character's name is

2281
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 1: Charles van Dorn, who had a public life far after this.

2282
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 1: But the basic idea is that, without giving away everything,

2283
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 1: I want you to watch the movie. Charles van Dorn

2284
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 1: came from this very famous family and got ensnared in

2285
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 1: a cheating scandal on the game show that got so

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01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 1: big it ended up being a function of congressional investigations

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01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,600
Speaker 1: and the whole nine yards. And it's this story of

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01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: how this famous guy from this famous family, this public

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01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 1: intellectual family, got ensnared in it, how he navigated it,

2290
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:49,600
Speaker 1: and what the fallout says about powerful people, powerful corporations,

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01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 1: powerful entities all along the way. It stars Ralph Fine,

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01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 1: who is just a phenomenal fucking actor. He's been doing

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01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: this forever and I can't overstate this. I don't want

2294
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 1: to give it away, but it's a true story. The

2295
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:05,080
Speaker 1: movie does take some artistic license with everything, but this

2296
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:09,639
Speaker 1: actually happened. There was a ginormous cheating scandal with basically

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01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 1: what is the It's a different type of show, but

2298
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 1: was the precursor to Jeopardy. Imagine there being a massive,

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01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 1: massive cheating scandal discovered on Jeopardy. What the fallout of

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01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:24,080
Speaker 1: that might be? That's this movie told about the real story,

2301
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 1: about the real family and the real guy. Easy to

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01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 1: watch quiz show.

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01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:30,760
Speaker 2: I saw this on illegal box pay per view on

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01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,759
Speaker 2: it after it exited the theaters. Look very good film,

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01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 2: good recommendation.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: Number two, Luke is going to take me into the

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01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:41,719
Speaker 2: gritty half neo noir, half political statement. And it's brought

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01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:45,639
Speaker 2: to us by Oliver Stone nineteen eighty six's Salvador. I've

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01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 2: mentioned it before. It was a monumental movie for me

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01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,720
Speaker 2: when I saw it in mister de Lorenzo's freshman year

2312
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:54,640
Speaker 2: geography class at Augata High School. I don't know how

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01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 2: he showed it. With the drug use, the nudity, the assaults,

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01:49:58,160 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 2: on women that happened. But here's the deal. Oliver Stone

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01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 2: not only directed it, he wrote it, he produced it.

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01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 2: And James Woods, who was nominated for a Best Actor

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01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 2: oscar in this one, as was the Best Screenplay, was nominated. Look,

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01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 2: this is a tour de force of being a driven scumbag. Basically,

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Speaker 2: James Woods and Jim Belushi are journalists that head to

2320
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 2: El Salvador in the midst of a civil war, and

2321
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:25,799
Speaker 2: it shows the lifestyle of these, you know, wartime journalists

2322
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 2: and photographers who literally put their life on the line.

2323
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:31,679
Speaker 2: But because it's Oliver Stone, there's a much deeper political

2324
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:35,559
Speaker 2: message that still resonates today about how selective at times

2325
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 2: the US government can be in which wars they put

2326
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 2: their money in and take part and in which ones

2327
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 2: they don't. Cindy Gibb is also in it. It was

2328
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 2: a flop at the box office. Four and a half

2329
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 2: million to make, it only made one and a half.

2330
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:49,760
Speaker 2: But Luke, this is so damn gritty And when you

2331
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:51,719
Speaker 2: read how it was made, it's one of those movies

2332
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:55,280
Speaker 2: that Stone overblew. His budget was running out of time,

2333
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 2: it was difficult to film in Mexico, it was dangerous.

2334
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 2: He also would try to turn the locals against the

2335
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:03,639
Speaker 2: lead actors to raise the intensity when they were filming,

2336
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,040
Speaker 2: so while they were filming, they were never quite safe.

2337
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 2: You go back and watch this. This is another tour

2338
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 2: de force, you know, Jeff in the last one, Jeff

2339
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:15,559
Speaker 2: Bridge was a Jeff Bridges that ica the last time.

2340
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 2: Jeff Daniels, excuse me, James Woods in this one. I mean,

2341
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 2: you could not crush being an OSCAR nominated dirtbag better

2342
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 2: than he can in this film. It is a wild

2343
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:28,559
Speaker 2: ride that I didn't forget it watching it in high school,

2344
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,439
Speaker 2: and I just rewatched it last year. It's still it

2345
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:32,639
Speaker 2: still matters to me. Luke, have you ever seen this classic?

2346
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 1: Can? I tell you honestly, I have not seen this movie,

2347
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:37,600
Speaker 1: and you have piqued my interest with this one. I

2348
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 1: did not even know about this movie, so now I

2349
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 1: have to see it.

2350
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 2: All right?

2351
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 1: There you go. Number two for me, this is BC.

2352
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say if you're an American

2353
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 1: guy roughly our age, but younger as well, hell older too,

2354
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 1: there isn't anything quite like fucking gritty British mafia crime movies.

2355
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I fucking yeah, I just fucking love him.

2356
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:05,479
Speaker 1: British gangster movies are some of my favorite, my number

2357
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 1: two choice Sexy Beast starring Ben Kingsley, but some other

2358
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 1: folks as well. Ben Kingsley puts on one of the best.

2359
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, everything he does is fucking first rate, but

2360
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 1: in this movie, I cannot overstate how good he was.

2361
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 1: He was insane. He plays a fucking deranged British gangster

2362
01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 1: who is a bully, mean, ugly to people, vicious the

2363
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 1: whole nine yards. It involves an underwater bank heist, it

2364
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:39,520
Speaker 1: involves murder, it involves betrayal, it involves escaping from places,

2365
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 1: and it ends with one of the most fucked up

2366
01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:47,360
Speaker 1: things you're ever gonna see. It is fantastic. It's a

2367
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 1: one that a lot of folks haven't heard of. A

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01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,400
Speaker 1: friend recommended it to me years ago. I had never

2369
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 1: heard of. Same year as a Modes pedros By the

2370
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 1: Way the Year two thousand. What a phenomenal movie. Easy

2371
01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 1: to get, easy to like, easy to get into, easy

2372
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:04,559
Speaker 1: to stay hooked. They keep you hooked the whole exact way,

2373
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:10,040
Speaker 1: and the ending is just not to be missed, especially

2374
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:12,160
Speaker 1: for the performance of Ben Kingsley. The guy who directed it,

2375
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 1: Jonathan Glazer didn't really do anything major other than this.

2376
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:18,080
Speaker 1: This is by far his most major work of I

2377
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:20,560
Speaker 1: know everyone likes lock stock and two smoking Barrels and

2378
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 1: all that shit. Don't get me wrong, that's great. Two

2379
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 1: thumbs up. Trying to give you something that maybe you

2380
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 1: hadn't seen that is different than that obviously, but you know,

2381
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:31,880
Speaker 1: involves that British crime element sexy beast can't go wrong again.

2382
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of it, but you kind of sold

2383
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 2: me on that. Look, I'm gonna look these up and

2384
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 2: chip away at it. My number one is the movie

2385
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 2: I've mentioned before. It was my favorite movie for like

2386
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,160
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years. It's still one of my best. Nineteen

2387
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:47,719
Speaker 2: ninety six is Beautiful Girls, Luke. It's a forgotten star

2388
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 2: studied nineties movie when you consider that the cast includes

2389
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 2: Matt Dylon, Lauren Holly, Timothy Hutt and Rosie O'Donnell, Martha Plimpton,

2390
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:59,440
Speaker 2: Uma Thurman, Michael Rappaport, Natalie Portman, Mia Sorvino, and David Arquette.

2391
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 2: But here's the deal. Screenwriter Scott Rosenberg, who also wrote

2392
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 2: con Air, High Fidelity and Gone in Sixty Seconds. He

2393
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 2: was sitting in his dirtbag Massachusetts hometown, thinking there's more

2394
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 2: drama in my shitty hometown than there is in a

2395
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 2: lot of these movies that I'm trying to write and

2396
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 2: sell to Hollywood. Luke ted Demi was the director the

2397
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 2: late Ted Demi, the nephew of Jonathan. He produced Rounders.

2398
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:23,559
Speaker 2: He directed Dennis Larry's comedy specials. He was behind Blow.

2399
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:26,960
Speaker 2: This is his tour de force. It didn't gross well

2400
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 2: in the theaters, but it became a cult hit. Why look,

2401
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:34,160
Speaker 2: we love buddy flicks, whether it's like Diner or you know,

2402
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:36,920
Speaker 2: saying Almost Fire or The Big Chill or whatever. Like,

2403
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 2: you know, we grew up with that. This is the

2404
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 2: nineties version of what it's like to grow up in

2405
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 2: a shitty suburban industrial hometown, come back for your ten

2406
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:49,919
Speaker 2: year high school reunion, and basically see such distinct characters

2407
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 2: that you can one thousand percent relate to at different

2408
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 2: points in your life. Timothy Hutton plays the lead. He

2409
01:54:56,520 --> 01:55:02,920
Speaker 2: gets into a gandalus yet pure emotional relationship with his

2410
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 2: fourteen year old neighbor played by Natalie Portman, me saying

2411
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 2: that out loud doesn't age well in twenty twenty two,

2412
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:11,840
Speaker 2: nor should it, But This is a beautiful movie, filled

2413
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:14,240
Speaker 2: with great one liners and one of the most underrated

2414
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 2: rock soundtracks in terms of bands you may have never

2415
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 2: heard of. I don't know if you've seen this, Luke,

2416
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 2: but they just nail my upbringing and a lot of

2417
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 2: our lives before we grew up and got out of

2418
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 2: our own hometown. I mean, it's just perfection. You will

2419
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 2: not be disappointed watching this play.

2420
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:34,560
Speaker 1: You've seen that one in a long time. I don't

2421
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 1: remember much of it, so I might have to check

2422
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:39,200
Speaker 1: that out again. All right, Last, but not least for me,

2423
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 1: want to pick a fun one that you just couldn't

2424
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 1: say no to. One of the best movies of the

2425
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:46,240
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties made by John Carpenter. A lot of people

2426
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:49,040
Speaker 1: think of John Carpenter that think of They Live or

2427
01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 1: Escape from La This was actually made before both of those.

2428
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:55,680
Speaker 1: How about Big Trouble in Little China. You've even seen

2429
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 1: me wear the T shirt at times. I love that

2430
01:55:57,800 --> 01:56:00,880
Speaker 1: movie so much. It's fucking prime. Kurt rush So prime

2431
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:07,240
Speaker 1: Kim katrol In a crazy martial arts movie about mysticism,

2432
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:14,000
Speaker 1: overcoming evil rading like ninjas and all this kind of

2433
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 1: weird capers that these guys all get into. It is

2434
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 1: so perfectly nineteen eighties. And what I love about this is, yes,

2435
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:24,280
Speaker 1: there are some visual elements that were pasted on top,

2436
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 1: which you know doesn't really stand the test of time

2437
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 1: in terms of being brilliant visual elements, but a lot

2438
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:30,520
Speaker 1: of what they did and a lot of what really

2439
01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 1: stands out is they built a lot of things. They

2440
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 1: built incredible sets, they built costumes, they built design around it,

2441
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 1: very John Carpenter like in that way, and it just

2442
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:43,240
Speaker 1: brings everything to life. No, this is not going to

2443
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 1: make you smarter. No, you're not going to learn anything

2444
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:47,440
Speaker 1: about the world watching this, but you're going to have

2445
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 1: a damn good time watching one of the best martial

2446
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 1: arts movies of the nineteen eighties, made by a famed

2447
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 1: American director that you know, put to me extra effort

2448
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:00,600
Speaker 1: into all the things that make it better. And it

2449
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 1: just is one of these movies you can watch over

2450
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:06,160
Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over again. As

2451
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,880
Speaker 1: you indicated, BC, not my favorite movie, not even my

2452
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:12,000
Speaker 1: favorite martial arts movie, but one I think MMA fans

2453
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:15,360
Speaker 1: could not say no to despite their best efforts.

2454
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 2: Hey, you nailed, I haven't seen that since what year

2455
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 2: did you say came out.

2456
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 1: I got to see eighty sixty six.

2457
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 2: I saw that probably on HBO in like eighty seven.

2458
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:25,919
Speaker 2: I've never seen it again, Luke, I'm due for a refresh,

2459
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 2: just to find out what happened with the Guilo.

2460
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:32,560
Speaker 1: That's more of Bruce Lee enter the Dragon movie. But

2461
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 1: this one is incredible. I remember it was Eggshen, and

2462
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 1: that's where I make fun of you, because when you

2463
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:40,920
Speaker 1: eat food, you close one eye and you always look

2464
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 1: like Eggshen from Big Trouble Little China casting a spell.

2465
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:47,200
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you very much. That's our top five

2466
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:52,960
Speaker 2: of the week, Luke. Let's close with this. Every Wednesday morning,

2467
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 2: Coombat at gmail dot com your chance to send in

2468
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 2: your artwork pictures of your life as you're wearing our merch.

2469
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 2: We call this yes fansomme isss.

2470
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 1: You've got male few, You've got male viewers and normal

2471
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 1: female viewers.

2472
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 2: We've got a few of them, Luke. Shout out to

2473
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 2: Nicola from from Scotland. I think, shout out to Melissa

2474
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 2: loves Nacho's, you know, grooming the next generation of Californian

2475
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 2: students in her elementary class. We got a lot of

2476
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:23,480
Speaker 2: people's wives, Luke. There's a few female people a right,

2477
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:24,240
Speaker 2: we got to represent.

2478
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we certainly do.

2479
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:27,880
Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to our males, though, Andrew

2480
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:31,720
Speaker 2: B says. Nate Diaz announces his next post UFC move

2481
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:35,800
Speaker 2: a straight to streaming acting career for the Daily Wire.

2482
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean we're just taking shots and Nay Diaz here,

2483
01:58:40,680 --> 01:58:41,320
Speaker 1: what are we doing?

2484
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:44,320
Speaker 2: Yuh? I mean it kind of hit. I'll give Andrew credit.

2485
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:44,920
Speaker 2: It kind of hit.

2486
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:46,120
Speaker 1: Looking a little bit a little bit.

2487
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:50,080
Speaker 2: Let's go over to Josh h. He's from Perth, Australia,

2488
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:52,840
Speaker 2: he says. Down here at the local barber shop down Under,

2489
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:56,839
Speaker 2: we've got Luke and hipster Luke. The prices are even included.

2490
01:58:57,240 --> 01:59:00,919
Speaker 2: Keep in mind this is Australian dollar, so the standard

2491
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 2: cut is just sixteen dollars and twenty two cents US.

2492
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 2: How far would one need to travel from DC to

2493
01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:09,320
Speaker 2: get a whiff of prices this low?

2494
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:12,160
Speaker 1: First of all, I'd never been as handsome as either

2495
01:59:12,200 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 1: of these pictures, but I would go to this place.

2496
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 1: I would get a haircut.

2497
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 2: Okay, you'd save a lot of money, Luke.

2498
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:20,600
Speaker 1: Except shit, a ton of cash.

2499
01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:23,680
Speaker 2: Danger Mouse is here normally he closes Wednesdays. He says, IBC,

2500
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:25,760
Speaker 2: there are moments we all have in our lives to

2501
01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:28,160
Speaker 2: be proud of. You had yours and that excellent RSD

2502
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:33,480
Speaker 2: with chaill Son in bask in the Glory BC. What

2503
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:34,800
Speaker 2: does that say, Luke? Can you read that?

2504
01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:39,080
Speaker 1: When his joke gets a look away look back, laugh,

2505
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 1: fingerpoint from the American gangster himself. Congratulations, PC here you

2506
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:44,000
Speaker 1: finally made.

2507
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:47,000
Speaker 2: It, Danger Mouse says, talking of moments I had won

2508
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:50,320
Speaker 2: myself last week, provoking, provoking a rant from Luke before

2509
01:59:50,360 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 2: you even had time to read out my text, explaining

2510
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 2: that that was the very purpose of the meme pure gold. Anyway,

2511
01:59:58,040 --> 01:59:59,720
Speaker 2: that last one on that topic, I.

2512
01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:05,480
Speaker 1: Promise again everyone here it's Norfolk, Virginia. They would go, no,

2513
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:08,400
Speaker 1: it's Norfolk. No, it's Norfolk, It's Norfolk. Go and go

2514
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:09,680
Speaker 1: Norfolk yourself.

2515
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 2: Day, Drew Mouse says. The competition has been getting very

2516
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,520
Speaker 2: creative lately, so I've made a thumbnail for your MK

2517
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 2: Music show. Just let me know what artists and songs

2518
02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 2: you'd like. Very reasonable rates apply.

2519
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:23,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they got the American psycho. Shit, oh boy,

2520
02:00:24,040 --> 02:00:25,600
Speaker 1: this is so studio.

2521
02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you Phil Collins and thank you dandrum Mouse.

2522
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:32,720
Speaker 2: All right, JP, Luke has survived that storm that hit

2523
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 2: Nova Scotia and Mount Unike. He still sending in his

2524
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 2: fan subs using someone else's WiFi. He says, uh, this

2525
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:41,800
Speaker 2: is MK gents on Delta flight Row eight with Andrea

2526
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:49,480
Speaker 2: the Giant. He says, good day fans, f you Hurricane Fiona.

2527
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:51,920
Speaker 2: Nothing can keep me away from my weekly fan sub.

2528
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Speaker 2: So here we go, last Friday show our MK gents.

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Speaker 2: We're telling washroom tales of the belove Andrea the Giant

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02:00:57,480 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 2: on airplane flights in the first row. Yeah, they curtain

2531
02:01:00,440 --> 02:01:02,000
Speaker 2: around him so we could poop. He couldn't fit into

2532
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:05,040
Speaker 2: those closets. Who knew, Luke. Imagine if week.

2533
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:07,840
Speaker 1: A day where he forgot to put on deyodurant or something.

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02:01:08,120 --> 02:01:10,920
Speaker 2: It's probably every day. Imagine if we could bring Andre

2535
02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 2: back and they all get on a Delta flight, specifically roway,

2536
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:15,920
Speaker 2: what would that look like? It'd be disgusting, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Great would be to get arrest in peace and obviously,

2538
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:21,200
Speaker 1: but get him on the RSD couch and then just

2539
02:01:21,240 --> 02:01:24,320
Speaker 1: do gummies with how many gummies would he need to

2540
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:25,120
Speaker 1: get to feel it?

2541
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Speaker 2: Everyone produced everyone, You can make every single one, there's

2542
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,720
Speaker 2: no question about it. Like you with your fifty something.

2543
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:35,480
Speaker 2: You know beers. It would take take yeah, one two

2544
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:38,320
Speaker 2: Margarita's and you're like, you know, all right, I'll.

2545
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:39,800
Speaker 1: Look drink anymore. I don't drink anymore.

2546
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:42,480
Speaker 2: JP also said last Friday Showluke announce he's teaming up

2547
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:45,640
Speaker 2: with our very own merch partner, our j Dunkel Gang

2548
02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:48,840
Speaker 2: Bang and coming out with the official Washed Old Luke

2549
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:52,680
Speaker 2: Thomas bitch ass man purse. Apparently, when you want things

2550
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:55,760
Speaker 2: done for MK all you need our producer credits and

2551
02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:58,000
Speaker 2: to quote, I made it happen after I put it

2552
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:00,840
Speaker 2: in his ear hole. Luke since forty years old in

2553
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:03,680
Speaker 2: Washed Thanks for the promo code. Expect my order soon.

2554
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:04,800
Speaker 2: Love you guys, it's Jake.

2555
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Speaker 1: The only problem is he spelled Columbia wrong.

2556
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:10,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's enough to get you. Uh. It's gonna

2557
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:12,400
Speaker 2: be a tough vote for Donk of the aar Luca.

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Speaker 2: People are written.

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Speaker 1: Col O everybody not co l U.

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Speaker 2: All right, A couple more to close here. Here's Vladimir,

2561
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:22,080
Speaker 2: a longtime watcher but first time submitter. I've seen a

2562
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,600
Speaker 2: fair amount of this mffort and had to throw one

2563
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Speaker 2: in here. Go get that award.

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Speaker 1: Is fucking great.

2565
02:02:36,640 --> 02:02:39,800
Speaker 2: Thank you, Vlad for joining stepping in and joining the party.

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Speaker 2: Allen W has two photos for us. Oh that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that dude, you look Actually, I gotta say,

2568
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:57,520
Speaker 1: with the long hair, it suits you.

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02:02:58,280 --> 02:02:59,920
Speaker 2: That's really really good.

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02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:05,440
Speaker 1: There already barely speak it. Oh washed baster, look at that.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy, Jimmy ya, chimy yeah, Jimmy y. Hey, give me

2573
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Speaker 1: a double rito because I'm washed all day.

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Speaker 2: Wow, old wash bastard.

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Speaker 5: That is.

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Speaker 1: Remember. So for folks who don't know this was ODB,

2577
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:19,640
Speaker 1: it's a It was a cover of his album. But

2578
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:22,080
Speaker 1: more than that, it was the actual welfare card he

2579
02:03:22,160 --> 02:03:24,400
Speaker 1: used to go and cash the welfare check on MTV.

2580
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 1: So that's what.

2581
02:03:24,920 --> 02:03:28,400
Speaker 2: It's iconic album cover, no question about it. All right.

2582
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:31,880
Speaker 2: We also have something for Morgan Jay. He says, Hey, Brian,

2583
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:34,440
Speaker 2: I joined the Three Needle Gang recently. Just want to say,

2584
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:37,280
Speaker 2: unless Brian's kink is ball torture, I had to have

2585
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 2: multiple anesthetic to the bag on each side before I

2586
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:43,120
Speaker 2: can feel anyth Yeah, we're gonna have three in the bag.

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Speaker 1: Three.

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02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:47,040
Speaker 2: Shout out to the partner for the care coverage. When

2589
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:50,480
Speaker 2: I got home, it's as traumatic as you think now,

2590
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily here, Luke for people taking live shots

2591
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:56,480
Speaker 2: of themselves during the vastectomy, although I did text my

2592
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:58,520
Speaker 2: friends during it to tell them how painful it was.

2593
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:03,480
Speaker 2: But I do, uh, I do support this.

2594
02:04:03,480 --> 02:04:06,480
Speaker 1: This is fucking hilarious. Whoever made this from him? Sore balls,

2595
02:04:07,240 --> 02:04:14,120
Speaker 1: no nuts, no more babies. That's hilarious. Go back to

2596
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:15,480
Speaker 1: the picture of the dude in the mirror, hold on

2597
02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:17,040
Speaker 1: real quick and then blow it up full screen, please

2598
02:04:18,120 --> 02:04:20,920
Speaker 1: real quick. You know my man? What's what's my man

2599
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 1: doing here with the Lloyd Christmas haircut?

2600
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:24,680
Speaker 2: Well, he was on his way to hell and he

2601
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:26,840
Speaker 2: thought of us on the way there. And I appreciate that, Luke,

2602
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:29,360
Speaker 2: because that's a traumatic physical and mental experience. I know

2603
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:32,480
Speaker 2: everybody's like BC. I got mine done five minutes, no anesthetic,

2604
02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:34,920
Speaker 2: It didn't even hurt. Yeah, you didn't have the seventy

2605
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:37,440
Speaker 2: five year old Vietnam veteran that I did, who works

2606
02:04:37,480 --> 02:04:40,440
Speaker 2: one day a week. Luke, what that's do your due diligence,

2607
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:44,360
Speaker 2: Please do it, okay? Because I felt everything fair felt

2608
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:47,800
Speaker 2: at all. We closed with Oliver, He says. On two

2609
02:04:47,880 --> 02:04:50,520
Speaker 2: recent episodes, BC and LT have turned a simple chuckle

2610
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:54,879
Speaker 2: into a completely unnecessary hacking gag attack. What is happening

2611
02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:57,520
Speaker 2: to these fellows after forty do you simply lose the

2612
02:04:57,560 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 2: ability to have a decent laugh without gagging on your

2613
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:02,640
Speaker 2: own flem and turning into a water eyed grandpa in

2614
02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:05,720
Speaker 2: the corner choking to death. It's just laughing, My dudes,

2615
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:08,160
Speaker 2: get it together. Just don't die in us, please.

2616
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:10,360
Speaker 1: And they got the automatopoia on the screen there with

2617
02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:12,839
Speaker 1: glug and splush. This is fair. I mean, my excuse

2618
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:15,280
Speaker 1: is that I vape like a fucking asshole. What's yours?

2619
02:05:16,200 --> 02:05:18,000
Speaker 2: I've just washed? You know what I mean? You know,

2620
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean I can't. I'm fighting off colds left and right,

2621
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:23,280
Speaker 2: you know all the time, Luke. I do have strong

2622
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:26,760
Speaker 2: immunity because of AG one, but I'm constantly fighting. And

2623
02:05:27,120 --> 02:05:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, if I lose it with laughter, anything can

2624
02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:31,920
Speaker 2: come out, any fluids, Luke, that is actually not the

2625
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:35,240
Speaker 2: end of our fansubmissions. Do you know? Good old Courtney

2626
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:39,160
Speaker 2: m one of the finest producers from Showtime and.

2627
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Speaker 1: The let's just call her what she is, the backbone

2628
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:43,240
Speaker 1: of MK. That's what when when.

2629
02:05:43,120 --> 02:05:46,440
Speaker 2: Shit needs to get done. This is true. It escalates

2630
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:48,480
Speaker 2: up the line and Courtney gets it done. She always

2631
02:05:48,520 --> 02:05:54,000
Speaker 2: has our back well, as we established Courtney. This Thursday night, Boston, Massachusetts,

2632
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:57,800
Speaker 2: she will be fighting a three round boxing match on

2633
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Speaker 2: the bells of the Brawl nine in Boston, twenty twenty two.

2634
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:05,360
Speaker 2: It's happening at the MGM Music Hall. Many of our

2635
02:06:05,400 --> 02:06:08,080
Speaker 2: donks have supported through donations. You can hit that QR

2636
02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:10,920
Speaker 2: code right there to find out Courtney's fight, the reason

2637
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:14,000
Speaker 2: why she's fighting, to raise money for cancer victims and

2638
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:16,840
Speaker 2: specifically a friend to her family. There will be a

2639
02:06:16,840 --> 02:06:19,560
Speaker 2: live stream of this fight if you're interested. But let's

2640
02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:22,120
Speaker 2: see and hear from Courtney herself right heading into this.

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02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:24,800
Speaker 1: Go's here, Luke BC.

2642
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:29,600
Speaker 3: It's your favorite morning combat producer here. Courtney just dropping

2643
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:31,960
Speaker 3: the line to say thank you both so much for

2644
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:33,720
Speaker 3: the Haymakers for Hope shout out that you did on

2645
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:38,400
Speaker 3: the show last week. There are some mk ridered Eye

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02:06:38,440 --> 02:06:41,640
Speaker 3: donks that actually reached out and donated to my page

2647
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:44,360
Speaker 3: in their contributions put me over at the twenty five

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02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:48,960
Speaker 3: K fundraising goal that I had, So truly overwhelmed by

2649
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:53,480
Speaker 3: the support from the MGA fam here. Cannot thank you

2650
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:56,960
Speaker 3: guys enough and I'm just excited to get going the

2651
02:06:56,960 --> 02:06:59,280
Speaker 3: fights tomorrow night, so there's still time to donate if

2652
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:02,160
Speaker 3: people were still thinking about it. All of the funds

2653
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:03,919
Speaker 3: that I raise are going to go to Mass General's

2654
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,240
Speaker 3: Caring for a Cure fund.

2655
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Speaker 4: Just so excited.

2656
02:07:08,240 --> 02:07:10,240
Speaker 3: Hopefully I'll bring home the win for you guys and

2657
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:14,680
Speaker 3: avoid being featured on Campbell's Have you seen this shit?

2658
02:07:14,840 --> 02:07:15,520
Speaker 3: On Monday?

2659
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:16,880
Speaker 4: But you never know?

2660
02:07:18,440 --> 02:07:23,600
Speaker 3: Thank you guys again, MK all day nearly every damn day.

2661
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:25,680
Speaker 3: I will see you at the studio on Monday.

2662
02:07:27,960 --> 02:07:29,520
Speaker 2: Wow Wow, all right.

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02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:33,840
Speaker 1: Originally BC, serious question because we haven't even talked about this.

2664
02:07:34,360 --> 02:07:36,720
Speaker 1: If Courtney gets stretched, are we gonna mock her on

2665
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:37,680
Speaker 1: have you seen this show?

2666
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:42,600
Speaker 2: So it's a three round headgear like Amateur Rules and Luke,

2667
02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:44,640
Speaker 2: they are quick to do standing eight counts when someone

2668
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 2: gets hurt. But if she gets stretched with her and

2669
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:49,920
Speaker 2: I did have a conversation, it will appear on the show.

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02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,280
Speaker 2: She's expecting it. She was actually supposed to appear on

2671
02:07:52,360 --> 02:07:55,560
Speaker 2: today's episode, but time constraints in our last minute guests,

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02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:57,920
Speaker 2: She's send in that video. I want to personally thank

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02:07:57,960 --> 02:08:00,800
Speaker 2: any dog who's helped her reach that financial goal, or

2674
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:03,320
Speaker 2: at least is cheering for her. There are links out

2675
02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:05,520
Speaker 2: there if you want to watch her fight live. It's

2676
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:08,400
Speaker 2: gonna go down Thursday night Tomorrow night the MGM Music

2677
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:11,040
Speaker 2: Hall next to Famway Park in Boston. The name once

2678
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:16,839
Speaker 2: again is It's called Bells of the Brawl nine, Boston,

2679
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:21,280
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. Haymakers for Hope is the charity behind it, Luke.

2680
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:24,680
Speaker 2: Some people want to talk about it, like me, some

2681
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:26,520
Speaker 2: people are going to be about it. I give Courtney

2682
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:29,760
Speaker 2: a toh of respect. They matched her up competitively with

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02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:32,080
Speaker 2: somebody who's in the same situation. I think they even

2684
02:08:32,120 --> 02:08:35,160
Speaker 2: had some sparring halfway through training camp to make sure

2685
02:08:35,160 --> 02:08:38,320
Speaker 2: that they're both on the same level. I'm expecting a war, Luke. Okay,

2686
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:39,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna find out what Courtney's made of.

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02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:44,480
Speaker 1: Amazing you guys helped her to reach her goal of

2688
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:48,200
Speaker 1: I think she raised over twenty five thousand dollars maybe

2689
02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:51,160
Speaker 1: even more than that for cancer research. So you guys,

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02:08:51,200 --> 02:08:53,320
Speaker 1: whoever donated, you can still do it, obviously you see

2691
02:08:53,320 --> 02:08:56,160
Speaker 1: the QR code on the screen there. Thank you so much, Courtney.

2692
02:08:56,200 --> 02:08:58,400
Speaker 1: I can't say enough good things about her. She makes

2693
02:08:58,440 --> 02:09:00,080
Speaker 1: the show work and if it wasn't for her, I

2694
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:01,280
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck we would do, to be

2695
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:03,680
Speaker 1: quite honest, but of Courtney, if you get the ko

2696
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:05,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna show it on. Have you seen this shit?

2697
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:08,800
Speaker 1: And if you get ko', we're gonna mock you. That's

2698
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:09,480
Speaker 1: just what we do.

2699
02:09:09,560 --> 02:09:12,320
Speaker 2: So I think she missed. I offered that we would

2700
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:14,760
Speaker 2: work her corner with MK dot cam's rolling, and I

2701
02:09:14,760 --> 02:09:16,760
Speaker 2: don't think she accepted that. But we're cheering for We

2702
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:19,800
Speaker 2: have one more fan subscription to description to clothes here

2703
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:22,720
Speaker 2: MK all day, nearly every day, this man says, thinking

2704
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:26,080
Speaker 2: of you guys from sunny Italy. Yes, I am wearing clothes,

2705
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:29,280
Speaker 2: but I cannot show myself in my MK boxer briefs

2706
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:32,720
Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. Louke, this is CBS producer Mikey mor Mile,

2707
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:37,920
Speaker 2: another backbone of our operation, here enjoying his multi week

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02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:40,160
Speaker 2: European vacation in sunny Italy.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, I mean he missed a I should say

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02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:46,440
Speaker 1: he picked a good time to not be in Florida.

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02:09:46,920 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 1: I hope he gets rest because I can't wait to

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02:09:48,840 --> 02:09:50,520
Speaker 1: work him like a mule when he comes back.

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02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:53,680
Speaker 2: We love you, Mikey. Enjoy the time off there. He's

2714
02:09:53,720 --> 02:09:56,120
Speaker 2: hitting up Amsterdam soon, so we may never see him again.

2715
02:09:56,440 --> 02:09:58,760
Speaker 2: But what are we supposed to peep the knee in

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02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:01,640
Speaker 2: the bottom left of the frame? Is that Ane Luke?

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02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:02,440
Speaker 2: Or is he just happening?

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02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, also, Mikey, could your phone be darker? I mean,

2719
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:06,760
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Guy?

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02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:09,520
Speaker 2: I'd be don't get out of this guy. That's our

2721
02:10:09,560 --> 02:10:12,920
Speaker 2: fans for the week Morningcombat at gmail dot com if

2722
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:15,880
Speaker 2: you want to join this weird party. Thanks again guys

2723
02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:18,400
Speaker 2: for backing Courtney in this battle and Luke take us home?

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02:10:18,440 --> 02:10:21,440
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. As a reminder, Courtney fights tomorrow, so

2725
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:23,080
Speaker 1: we'll give you some of the results of that on Friday.

2726
02:10:23,080 --> 02:10:24,720
Speaker 1: If you still want to donate, that would be great.

2727
02:10:24,760 --> 02:10:27,040
Speaker 1: If not, we appreciate everyone who is lending her support.

2728
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:30,720
Speaker 1: And again, big big, big shouts. Courtney is. I can't

2729
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:33,800
Speaker 1: overstate it the backbone of this operation. There's a lot

2730
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:35,400
Speaker 1: of different backbones, but it's a nice thing to say,

2731
02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:37,640
Speaker 1: and I really mean like, she's just a critical, critical,

2732
02:10:37,680 --> 02:10:40,320
Speaker 1: critical component of what we do. So your support for

2733
02:10:40,360 --> 02:10:44,760
Speaker 1: her is very much appreciated. Reminders, of course, Showtime the

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02:10:44,840 --> 02:10:47,840
Speaker 1: Belt or be on Showtime Saturday night. Saturday night, I

2735
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:50,600
Speaker 1: think right after UFC so there's no conflict. You can

2736
02:10:50,640 --> 02:10:52,920
Speaker 1: watch both. Go to Showtime dot com three to day

2737
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:54,440
Speaker 1: free trophy. Like it, you can keep it. If not,

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Speaker 1: of the merch. Again, we already showed you the email.

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Speaker 1: Give us the follow on all the different places on social.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder, MK is on TikTok. MK is on TikTok,

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Speaker 1: so go have a look at that over there as well.

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Speaker 1: Last thing, if you are a Fienen for fights tonight,

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Speaker 1: you can go to Invicta FC forty nine del Boni

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Speaker 1: versus the Course. They're going to have an Adam weight

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Speaker 1: main event title fight. I think it's going to kick

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Speaker 1: off at eight pm in the East. We didn't even

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Speaker 1: get to bon Nickel, but we.

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Speaker 2: Should do a bonus clip or you should do an

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Speaker 2: extra credit squared or something on that right. That's a

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Speaker 2: that's a big story. Also, aspin lad got cut. We

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Speaker 2: got so much extra stuff we can't fit it in

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Speaker 2: this show.

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Speaker 1: We can't even fit it in the Today's show, but

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Speaker 1: we got a lot in just the same. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you Donks on Friday and until then for CBS

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Speaker 1: for Courtney, for Showtime for over in Italy, say again

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Speaker 1: for Mackenzie Dern as well for Mackenzie Durn Thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming on the show today. I appreciate it. For

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Speaker 1: everyone else involved with the show, until next time, may

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Speaker 1: all of your gains be loyal