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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazarre from Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it, joined us always by our bar. Here

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Speaker 2: is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr. I mean I have

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Speaker 2: to dabble a little bit just because we get all

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Speaker 2: these questions and I want to be like someone in

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Speaker 2: about it all over. Most of my takes are just

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Speaker 2: disagreeing with I've noticed that, and I don't like I

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Speaker 2: don't follow it that closely, but I've noticed that, no, no,

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Speaker 2: how many times that's a bar thing? Yeah, well, Michael

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Speaker 2: Barn Michael Pennix is legitimately a bar thing.

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Speaker 1: He keeps on trying.

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Speaker 2: I'm help me on Michael Pennix, and I'm like, at

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Speaker 2: the lefty, I can't do it. That That is all

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Speaker 2: it is, Like I I it's so valid. If you

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Speaker 2: flipped them, like if you give me the film and

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Speaker 2: Michael Pennix and we just flip them to a righty,

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Speaker 2: then I'm probably it.

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Speaker 1: Well that can remember they did that with two and

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Speaker 1: it looks so much best Year right. So seriously, and

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Speaker 1: I think I told this to you. I think I've

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Speaker 1: said this to you before. Please just watch the Penox

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Speaker 1: film flipped and then tell me and then do it.

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Speaker 2: I'll think about it. It's honestly not a bad idea

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Speaker 2: because then it looks better.

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Speaker 1: It does, I get it. Esthetically, left handed quarterbacks are

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Speaker 1: not They don't hit right like it looks. I see

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Speaker 2: People who are like their throwing motion is broken.

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Speaker 1: So many people say that to me, how do you

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Speaker 1: like penis is throwing motion? Discussing I've watched it flipped.

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Speaker 1: Does he have like the most beautiful throwing motion I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen? No, Like, it's like most college quarterbacks as

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Speaker 1: mechanics can be tightened up. But yeah, there's something about

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Speaker 1: lefty quarterbacks where it just looks ugly. It feels like

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Speaker 1: the ball's like too far back or whatever. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: will give panics, It's fine. I will give Penix this.

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Speaker 1: I think he throws more dimes than any quarterback in

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Speaker 1: this class. Oh yeah, just like absolute pinpoint. You know

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Speaker 1: what PFF would call like perfect ball placement, right like

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Speaker 1: not like in a key hole, not not necessarily just catchable,

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Speaker 1: but just on an absolute dime to a receiver. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: One of the here we go right out of the gate. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest knocks on him I've seen is that,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's throwing the three receivers who are probably

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Speaker 2: Right, But like, eventially, what's the Rome Roma Dunes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that gout. You're gonna you're gonna love him.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait till you take any But now you're

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Speaker 2: That Rome wasn't building in the day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but his his his route running is gonna you

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Speaker 1: you'll feel that. But everybody's like, oh, he has all

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Speaker 1: these great receivers, How good can he be? Doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: how good the receiver. You can put the ball between

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Speaker 1: the numbers on on me, right, you put the ball

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Speaker 1: between the numbers. You put the ball between the numbers

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Speaker 1: on the quarterback. I would not catch it. You're right,

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Speaker 2: Marie and I I messed up the emails of course,

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Speaker 2: so you're you're you know, like, I'm just an idiot.

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Speaker 2: I think I xed out of something I shouldn't have anyways. Uh,

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Speaker 2: good start, good start.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: So we're we're gonna talk patriots, like you know, we're

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Speaker 2: I understand and we're gonna we have plenty of draft

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Speaker 2: takes too. Somebody called in yesterday and said Evan or

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Speaker 2: emailed in and said, Evan's like self proclaimed that he

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Speaker 2: doesn't give a crap about the draft until January, So

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Speaker 2: why should I believe any of his draft takes in November.

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Speaker 2: It's a very valid point, very valid point to watch it.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, like when you're two and eight,

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Speaker 2: attention to some of the draft stuff than I would.

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Speaker 1: Like I can attest you. I will tell people, I

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Speaker 1: know you've watched more college football this year than you

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Speaker 2: I have. I have watched a little bit more college

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Speaker 2: football this year. I think that this year, the quarterback

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Speaker 2: you had two guys, and I forget about the order

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Speaker 2: You know, Justin Fields like Trevor Lawrence was like the

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Speaker 2: Golden Boy forever claims it. Justin Fields was like right

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Speaker 2: Like he was one of those types of guys. So

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Speaker 2: that class was really good. And here we are three

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Speaker 2: We were talking about a lot of those quarterbacks not

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Speaker 1: That, I mean, are any for those five guys probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the team that drafted him, Yeah think yeah, I

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Speaker 2: would agree with that. And you know, Trevor Lawrence's stats

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Speaker 2: I think that he's a good player in general.

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Speaker 2: Where I'm at with mac On Tuesday on PU I

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Speaker 2: came in, I said, I'm out, I'm out, I'm out.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I said earlier in the season, I

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Speaker 2: look at it maybe a little bit less emotionally.

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Speaker 1: But to be honest with you, you know, is it me?

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Speaker 2: Is it you? Mac? Like I'm sorry? You know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like trying to make up with it. No, it's it's over.

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Speaker 2: It's over. I'm still out. I think the biggest reason

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Speaker 2: why was this the final straw? Like he's played poorly

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Speaker 2: So why was this game against Indianapolis the final straw?

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Speaker 2: And I think for me what it was is that

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Speaker 2: And not only did he not need to make that

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Speaker 1: But he had to make the play. It's not like

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Speaker 1: the play. It went through Jujus Smith Schuster's hands. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But one ball he misses behind and up and it

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Speaker 1: probably should have been picked. It wasn't. The next ball

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Speaker 1: and it's it's funny. I always say it, like with

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Speaker 1: the turnover worthy plays thing. Right, you know, Oh, this

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Speaker 1: guy's thrown so many interceptions, but look how many of

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Speaker 1: them clanged off receivers hands. But this guy's thrown so

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Speaker 1: I believe in time it all evens out. And that's

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Speaker 1: what the last two weeks were, right, it even out.

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Speaker 1: You had the Juju Smith Schuster play was one where

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Speaker 1: Mac made a great throw to win the game, right,

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Speaker 1: and the receiver dropped it and he probably took more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I still want to say that, I still

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Speaker 2: feel that the biggest piece of the blame pie goes

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Speaker 2: to Bill Belichick and the way that the organization has

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Speaker 2: run the quarterback. It's still it's still an organizational failure.

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Speaker 2: So Mac Jones has gotten here, even if we can

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Speaker 2: all admit that Mac Jones is now here like you

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Speaker 2: made him, David Carr, Right, So congratulations, everybody, you're ruined.

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Speaker 1: Here's so, here's what I've said to these people who

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Speaker 1: are like, how you know, how dare you question Bill?

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Speaker 1: People think we side with Mac over Bill or whatever

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Speaker 1: that is. Yeah, if you're telling me that the first

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Speaker 1: of there's two parts in this one. If Mac was

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Speaker 1: just bad and that's all it ever was, that's all

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Speaker 1: this is period. If you'd swap Mac out their playoff team, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a second part of that. Okay, Bill drafted Mac and

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Speaker 1: Mack let him down. If that's your take, you have

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Speaker 1: to look me in the eyes or I get to

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Speaker 1: put it in the chat or whatever, put in the

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Speaker 1: the next three years playing out just like the last

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Speaker 1: three years, no premium acquisitions on offense, three offensive coordinators

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Speaker 1: throwing the kid under the bus in the media, like,

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Speaker 1: if you're telling me that that's how you want the

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Speaker 1: the quarterback should be handled. This is a a broken player.

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Speaker 2: Yep. They have broken him. He is physically and mentally broken.

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Speaker 2: And I guess that you can look at it and

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Speaker 2: say the bye week might be the mental break that

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Speaker 1: Him the Giants. He was good after the bye last year.

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Speaker 1: I think he had ten touchdowns, four picks after the

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Speaker 1: buy Last year, the stats were okay, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: all right, he's better. He was notably better.

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing from this game I thought was from

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Speaker 2: the jump. First of all, pressure was an issue from

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Speaker 2: the jump, and he the very first drop back. I

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Speaker 2: said it to you, the very first drop back, Col

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Speaker 2: Strange gets beat by to Forest Buckner and Mac gets

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Speaker 2: on the opening drive that he actually converted to Mike Kasicki.

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Speaker 2: I thought that that entire play still had like sixteen

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Speaker 2: the linebacker drops out underneath Mikeasicki's route. Now, I think

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Speaker 2: he was reading Max Eyes when he dropped out, but

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Speaker 2: he ended up throwing a tight window throw when he

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Speaker 2: They actually busted the coverage on the right right hand

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Speaker 2: like even the completions, even some of the good plays,

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Speaker 1: It felt a little similar to the pick he threw

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Speaker 2: Well does he loved the touch passers? He just a

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Speaker 2: And I watch a lot of quarterbacks, and I watch

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Speaker 2: That might be a chance, that might that might be

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Speaker 2: But this was the final straw for me with Mac Jones,

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Speaker 2: You have to make that play. Yeah, that's you have

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Speaker 1: Where and look, Venderian log gets beat bad on that play.

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Speaker 1: The hit and to make the play. Instead, he sort

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Speaker 1: has zero field pocket right now. Yeah, he has zero feel,

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Speaker 2: He's flinching and reacting to pressure at every waking moment.

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Speaker 1: At the very least.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen here, and it's not gonna happen, right,

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Speaker 2: The message it sends is the message that needed to

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Speaker 2: Like, what all they're doing is getting a headline for

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Speaker 1: Then you needed to bench him after the throw to Henry.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let me add to it. We went out

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Speaker 1: Because your fine, the message that needed to be set

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Speaker 1: That's a headline, right, that's.

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Speaker 1: And it's not it's not a headline of Mac is

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Speaker 2: But it's it's it's way less of a story. I

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Speaker 1: way that game ended.

434
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Speaker 2: But there's no starting quarterback in terms of like I

435
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 2: don't know, we're getting to semantics, but there's no starting

436
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 2: quarterback in terms of the future. You know, the way that.

437
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Speaker 1: Game end had told me they do not believe they

438
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Speaker 1: have a quarterback that can win them games. Yeah, I

439
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 1: mean I I so I believe that whoever is taking

440
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,640
Speaker 1: the reps, it's notable.

441
00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 2: It's notable, but it's still it's headline news.

442
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: Because if Bailey Zappy took him, we would have been like,

443
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, you look at how the game ended.

444
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: Of course it was gonna be Zappy. No I think

445
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: it's the same amount. I think they hold the same

446
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: amount of weight.

447
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: I don't I think that if every single talk show

448
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 2: in Boston would be leading off with the fact that

449
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: Bailey Zappi was taking first with the fact that Mac was,

450
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't the same. It's not the same, It's not.

451
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Speaker 1: I I just I think that that was a disservice

452
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: by the coaching staff, the way they handle the quarterbacks

453
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Speaker 1: at the end of that game. I think it was

454
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 1: a disservice to both of them. I guess.

455
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have any sympathy for either

456
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: of them at this point because I gave them all

457
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: the I gave them. I gave Mac all the sympathy

458
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: in the world for the patricians. It's not but here's

459
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 2: at this point, it's just like you got either. You

460
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 2: gotta make some plays. It's non excuse. The opportunities you

461
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: have aren't always going to be perfect. Make the most

462
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: of the opportunities you have. It's not an excuse thing.

463
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Speaker 1: But itvan It goes back to what we talked about

464
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Speaker 1: when we started this whole conversation. If this is how

465
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff is going to manage the quarterbacks. The

466
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Speaker 1: problem is not the problem does not end at the quarterbacks. Yeah,

467
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: that's fair, right In Let's say it's two years from

468
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: now and we were talking about Michael Pennix earlier, so

469
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Speaker 1: I'll use him. Yeah, Michael penny he's you know, he's

470
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: in a second year, he's still learning, there's no talent

471
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 1: around him. He's struggling late in the game, and they

472
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 1: pull him for Taylor Heineke late in game. Same problem.

473
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Speaker 1: You're gonna have the same if they do this again

474
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Speaker 1: with two different quarterbacks, are gonna have the same problem.

475
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Speaker 2: I don't that's my point. I don't disagree with you

476
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 2: in that respect. Like this to me, and this is

477
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Speaker 2: what we've we've kind of tried to lay out on

478
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: the show all year, I would say, or maybe not

479
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: all year, but at least in recently once we've kind

480
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: of realized that, all right, this this might be over here.

481
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: For mac Jones, all of this now is about learning

482
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 2: from your mistakes, right, Like you have to learn from

483
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,959
Speaker 2: the fact that you ruin this quarterback? Why did we

484
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 2: get here? And when I say ruined, I know a

485
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 2: lot of people say he was never good, you know,

486
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Speaker 2: they put they coddled him with kid glove in his

487
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 2: rookie season to get him to be a net positive quarterback,

488
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: and he was always gonna get here. And if you

489
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: believe that, then I'm not gonna sit here and argue

490
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 2: with you over semantics of whether or not Mac Jones

491
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: stunk to begin with or just stinks now or whatever.

492
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is that if you look at

493
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 2: his rookie season film, you see a different guy. You

494
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: see a different guy. You see a more confident quarterback.

495
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 2: You see a guy that has quiet feet in the pocket,

496
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: you see a guy that's making throws within the framework

497
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: of the offense, and you see a functional NFL starting

498
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: quarterback that was probably destined at that point to be

499
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: somewhere between the ten and fifteenth best quarterback in the league,

500
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Speaker 2: and it has just fallen off in every single way,

501
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 2: shape or form, from the personnel around him, to the

502
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: coaching around him, to his play has just completely deteriorated.

503
00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 2: And at this point you have to learn from that mistake, right.

504
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: So if you want to say that them benching Mac

505
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: at the end of that game is malpractice in terms

506
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: of how to handle quarterbacks and things like that, I

507
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: don't disagree with you. And that can never happen again here. Yes,

508
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: all this benching and the wishy washing is from belling

509
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: their games.

510
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: Call them, call them, there are the games, their mind games.

511
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: Going back to the Chicago game last year, Yeah right,

512
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: we talked about how that was a mistake and how

513
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: that was going to have long term damage.

514
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: We were right.

515
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: This is the equivalent of that essentially, right, And that's why.

516
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: All of this I look at and I say, I

517
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: don't Bill. To me, I can't give another young quarterback

518
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: to Bill. And the main reason it for that is

519
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: because I don't have confidence and build and build to

520
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: build a team around or build an offense I should

521
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: say around that quarterback. That's number one, right, is I

522
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 2: don't have the confidence that Bill is going to build

523
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: a modern offense based off of scheme, speed, separation, yack ability,

524
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: like all the things that we see across the league. Now,

525
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: this is a game that is played in space. Everything

526
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: is about creating space and then having receivers that can

527
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: take advantage of that space. They have one guy that

528
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: can do that. It's to Mario Douglas. Yeah, that's it.

529
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: And I guess maybe a healthy Kendrick Kenrick. But tomorrow

530
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 2: Douglas right now is their only guy that that fits

531
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: the bill of what a modern receiver should be in

532
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: the in the modern game. And there's a reason why

533
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: he's their most productive guy when he gets targeted in

534
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 2: the passing game. So I don't have any confidence that

535
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna be able to build a modern NFL offense

536
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: around the next guy, let alone. I don't really love

537
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: how he's mentally handled Mac Jones with the mind games

538
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 2: like you put it, where what's gonna happen if you know,

539
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams or Drake may or Michael Pennix or Jaden Daniels,

540
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: whoever it is, you know, plays a couple bad games

541
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: or gets you know, has a high ankle spraying and

542
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 2: misses a few games, and then are they gonna just

543
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: mess with them like they did with Mac in the

544
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: Chicago game? And you know, the whole nine yards of

545
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: how this was handled, Mac Jones could have handled himself

546
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,719
Speaker 2: better in certain instances in that respect too, Yeah, and

547
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: I don't deny that. But at the same time, one

548
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: person in this situation was the adult, yes exactly, and

549
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 2: it was Bill. Bill is supposed to be the adult,

550
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 2: and he handled it just as immaturely as Mac Jones did.

551
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: So whether Mac is you know, I know a lot

552
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: of people think Mac is a baby, and Mac you know,

553
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: is spoiled, and Mac is all these different things. You

554
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: know what, He's a kid, He's a kid.

555
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: He's a kid, and it's it's it's the job of

556
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: the coaching staff to kind of and and honestly, Bill

557
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: talks about this a lot, or he used to. He's

558
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: not just coaching these players as football play. And you

559
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: hear a lot of good coach about this, right, teach

560
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: them how to be men, teach them how to be adults.

561
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's just part of it. I think

562
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: when you have a young quarterback, you know, twenty one,

563
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty three year old kid that's being

564
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: given millions of dollars in his the face of an

565
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: NFL franchise, that's a lot to deal with and you

566
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: have to kind of manage that. And look, should Mac

567
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: have gone out this is the one from last Right,

568
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: should Mac have gone out texting uh, you know, coaches

569
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: or Dane Orlovsky or whoever for like outside advice, Right,

570
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have done that. Right, But the bigger question

571
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: is why did he feel like he needed to don't

572
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: create an environment where the quarterback feels like he needs

573
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: to do that. That's where you started.

574
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 2: But I would also mention like that type of stuff

575
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: happens all the time, that being so butt hurt about

576
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: that was so silly because that too. Everybody's got their confidants,

577
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: everybody's got their consiingly areas, like I understand the resume

578
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: is different. So people are gonna come at me and

579
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: be like, I know exactly what you're about to say.

580
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 2: But why can Bill call Mike Lombardi, Oh, I though

581
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: you're else? Or why can Bill call you know whoever?

582
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: If his coaching buddies Rightan Kelly, chip Kelly, chip Kelly, sure, whoever? Right?

583
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: Nick Saban Saban? Why can why can he call those

584
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: people and say, you know what, what's what's your two

585
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: cents on this? Or what's your advice on that? Or

586
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 2: what what do you think of this player in the draft?

587
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: You know?

588
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: Like, why can he call those guys? But then if

589
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: mac Jones calls Steve Sarkisian and says, can you watch

590
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: my film and tell me what I'm doing wrong? He's

591
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: he's Satan and you know what he's an enemy.

592
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: We probably should have seen that coming because you know

593
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: who else did that? Cameras can't see it that guy. Yeah,

594
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and building like that, the whole Alex Guerrero thing, right,

595
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: So it's not new all right.

596
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: Well, that's where we're at. That's the nice state of

597
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: the Patriots for you to buy. They have no quarterback,

598
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: they're two and eight. Other than that, how is the

599
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: play missus Lincoln? Right like that? That's where we're at

600
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: right now with this team. How was Germany?

601
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 4: Oh?

602
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry.

603
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: I I was gonna go there, but then we got

604
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: into the quarterbacks and and you know, I, oh, we

605
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: should clarify.

606
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: By the way, Yes, reminded me of it. Yeah, a

607
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: lot of people asking why last week's shows not on YouTube.

608
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had you.

609
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: I was at a dance party. I was in the club.

610
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: You're at the house. I was in the Patriots house.

611
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: That is true. I was in the Patriots House. It

612
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: was you know what, it was really cool, you know

613
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 2: that I was. I was dreading it a little bit

614
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: because of the flight and the travel and you know,

615
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: out of the country, like I'm a you know this

616
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: as well as anybody. I am a one hundred percent

617
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: a creature of habit.

618
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have.

619
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say the name because I don't

620
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: want Kenny in marketing get met at me. I have

621
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: a coffee every morning, I have Jersey Mikes and for

622
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: din't for lunch every day, like I I just I

623
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: stick to my comfort zone.

624
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: And you're a homebody. Wait I am, and so is Jess.

625
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: So it works out perfectly if you take me and

626
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: you drop me in a foreign country that doesn't speak English,

627
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 2: where I can't get a Jersey Mike's number seven, I

628
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: like combust on the spot, like I just combust. But

629
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: I will say this, I had a really good time

630
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: in Germany. It was a good time. It was It

631
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: was a really fun atmosphere. I can't think the people

632
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: of Germany and all the international patriots fans because it

633
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: wasn't just people from Germany or people from Frankfurt. There

634
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: are people from the UK. There are people from all

635
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: over the place, you know, UK, Italy, Ireland, like everywhere.

636
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: I can't think all those people enough. It was so cool,

637
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: like we if you were there, you would have had

638
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: the same thing. We were like the Beatles over there,

639
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: Like people were like waiting in line to say hi

640
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: to us after the shows and things like that. It

641
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: was crazy. I've never experienced that in my life. And

642
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: it was really cool. It's surreal. And the brats were fantastic.

643
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: The schnitzel was fantastic. It was a good just like chicken. Yeah,

644
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: it's like fried chicken. It's like a cutlet basically.

645
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: I get down with that. Yeah, it was.

646
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: It was all very very cool. The beer not you know,

647
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: didn't partake too much.

648
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: That's a lie. The beer was great. I was McDonald's.

649
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: I didn't go to McDonald's. I saw that. I saw

650
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: is Tamara and that Alex h to McDonald's.

651
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 5: Uh.

652
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Deus and Paul went to five guys. Oh, Tamara

653
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: and Alex went to McDonald's and uh, and I I

654
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: was like, I went in Germany like I'm gonna go

655
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: get a broader.

656
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: So I would have been interested to see it. I

657
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: don't know that I would have like I would have

658
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: been interested to see what like the fast foods like

659
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: over there. I wouldn't. I would have done it once

660
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: and been done with it. You're right, I let I

661
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: let them tell me what it was like. I'm not

662
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: a big broadchet also I'm a big.

663
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: I'm as you can imagine, I'm a big like Turkey club,

664
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: chicken club kind of guy.

665
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 5: Uh.

666
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: They put egg in the sandwich, which I kind of liked.

667
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: It was like egg bacon, like a fried egg like yeah, yeah,

668
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: like kind of like a breakfast sandwich me to.

669
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: Club like they do like they do it on burgers here. Yeah, yeah,

670
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: kind of like that. Yeah, it was good. Uh, you're

671
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: gonna start getting it that way now. I don't know,

672
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: we don't really do that around Jersey. Mike's gonna have

673
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: to start stalking eggs.

674
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: For right, They're gonna have to start cracking some eggs.

675
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: So that that was. That was Germany. But you can

676
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: call an eight five five pats five hundred. We have

677
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: some emails that we can get to here as well.

678
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: Everything's on the table. Look at two and eight in

679
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: the bye week, no no game to talk about the draft,

680
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: next off season, anything you guys want to talk about.

681
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: Just give us a buzz eight five five pats five

682
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: I'll you know, some of it's probably not the best,

683
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: but you know, we can talk a little bit about

684
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: that as well. I was one thing about my shenanigans

685
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: in Germany. I was a little bit disappointed by the

686
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: music because they just play American music over Oh I.

687
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: Heard I heard two hours last week.

688
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: All it is is you know, like Rihanna and like,

689
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 2: you know, American music like I really wanted, like you know,

690
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: you saw Triple X as a kid, right, you know,

691
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: and they go to the.

692
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: Clubs and just don't don't don't.

693
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: Well there's like the German house music. Where's the the

694
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: German guy yelling at me like that's what I wanted?

695
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: And it I you know, we only got that a

696
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: couple of times. I'm thinking the other way, what's the

697
00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: what is it? Uh polka music? Oh yeah, the old

698
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: school what you're talking about? Like we probably just put

699
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: to another movie. You're you're a trip, Yeah yeah, yeah,

700
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying, right yeah, Like the like

701
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: what I think when I think of like like Octoberfest

702
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: like that, like right, well, well this is you know

703
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: the accordion and okay, but Frankfurt because I learned this

704
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: the heart, Okay, Frankfort is really not october Fest, Like

705
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: they have their own version of Octoberfest. But Octoberfest happens

706
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 2: in Munich, right like that, so uh leeder Hosen not

707
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: a Frankfurt thing.

708
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so this this is more in another city, what right.

709
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: So like that, you know, I was told specifically that

710
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: leeder Hosen is like coming to Boston and wearing a

711
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: cowboy hat.

712
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: Okay, right, Like it's just completely wrong.

713
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: Technically, Schnitzels from Austria too, so that's also well, but

714
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: isn't But isn't Frankfort kind of near Austria, isn't it

715
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: that part of the country. I mean, it's all it's

716
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: all in that area. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a little

717
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: World War two history restling for you.

718
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: But that that's it was fun.

719
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: It was It was a good time, which the game

720
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: had ended better. I that was my biggest takeaway and

721
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: then we can we can wrap this Germany talk here.

722
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: My biggest thought on Saturday night before the game, and

723
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: I actually bumped into Mike Reese in the downtown area

724
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: and we had a little chat about it as well.

725
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: Was it was kind of and I texted you this,

726
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: I think it was kind of nice to be around

727
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: fans that were just happy to be there and just

728
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: excited for a football game, and they didn't necessarily like

729
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: they they knew the state of the team, and they

730
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: cared that they were two and eight. I'm not saying

731
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: that they were just like these pomp pom waivers that

732
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: that you know, didn't care that the team is where

733
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: it is, but they were just so happy that the

734
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: team was someplace that they could go to watch a

735
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: football them play football.

736
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: And in some respects it pulled.

737
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: You out of a were so in it as people

738
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: that cover the team and for me works for the team,

739
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: like I'm in it's so deep. And then also we're

740
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: really in the negativity too because of where the team

741
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 2: is at. These people were just having a good time,

742
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: smiles on their faces, happy to be there. You never

743
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: would have thought that the team was two and eight.

744
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: You could have told me they were eight and two

745
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: and I would have believed. And I think you needed that,

746
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 2: you need you just it was a good like mental

747
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: reset of like what this is. At the end of

748
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: the day, It's just football, right And at the end

749
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 2: of the day, sports is meant to be fun. Sports

750
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: are meant to You're meant to cheer for your team

751
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: and have a good time at these games. And I

752
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: think a lot of us have just fallen into the

753
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: doom and gloom. I had that all in my head

754
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: on Saturday night, and then you get to the game

755
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: and it's the same Patriots team and they lose the

756
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: way that they lose, and it kind of brings you

757
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: all back to oh right, right, this is where we're at.

758
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 2: But in general, I thought that that was nice.

759
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: No, it is good, and I mean you did. That's

760
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: a big part of the way I look at it.

761
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: Right At the end of the day, football's football. I'm

762
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: enjoying the sport of it. I'm enjoying you know, you

763
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: put two teams on the field. I don't really care

764
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: if it's competition, if there's you know, competition there, if

765
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: people are into it, if there's emotions with it, if

766
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: I enjoy it, and so I'm glad people got to

767
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm always glad people get to experience football.

768
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, so let's put a bow on this Colts

769
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: game and never talk about it ever again.

770
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: And let's do three up, three down, and.

771
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: Then we'll take some calls and we'll take some emails,

772
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: and we'll talk some draft. I think you know a

773
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: little bit here today too. How sad is that November

774
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: not even Thanksgiving. I'll start with three up, three down,

775
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: Number one up for four weeks in a row, Alex

776
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 2: Christian Barmore.

777
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: We might have to remember, how like the Sports Center

778
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: not top ten retired, Yeah, the butt fone. But we

779
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: might just have to be like, yeah, Christian Barmore, it's

780
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: good for moving.

781
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's up, all right, He's up. Christian Barmore

782
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: again in this game. Their most impactful player, I think,

783
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: on either side of the football in this one, besides

784
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: maybe one of my others, but definitely their most impactful

785
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: defensive player. He had three stuffs again, and I think

786
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 2: that's a keeps saying it, but his improvement against the

787
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: run has really stood out to me the most. Like

788
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: we always knew he could rush the passer. He had

789
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: those a really good pass rushing stats as a rookie.

790
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 2: As a rookie, his ability to two gap, his ability

791
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: to shoot gaps when they allow him to, like he

792
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: did in the TfL. Those types of plays have become

793
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: consistent from him in the run game. He's a three

794
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: down player now, and look, you had to rotate guys

795
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: on the defensive line. No one's going to play one

796
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: hundred percent of the snaps, but he should be the

797
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: equivalent of a one hundred percent snap guy on the

798
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: defensive line, like sixty five seventy percent.

799
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: He should be your top defensive lineman whatever that is, like,

800
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: he should be the most used in third downs all that. No,

801
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: this is the guy. When he was coming out of Alabama, remember,

802
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: people were surprised he fell. He was supposed to be

803
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: a first round pick, and I think some of the

804
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: concern was, would you know you draft defensive interior defensive

805
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: lineman in the first round. Yeah, you expect a three

806
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: down player. And I think why he felt was people

807
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: were worried about him as a run defender as well

808
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: as some of the injuries. He's healthy, he's developed as

809
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: a run defender. This is a guy and we'll get

810
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: more into it after the season. He's going to be

811
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: an extension candidate once the season's over. That's a guy

812
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: you pay because he got him. They gotta figure out

813
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: what they're gonna get. Oh, Bentley's extended, So you got him,

814
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: You got Bentley, you got Christian Zalez. There's one guy

815
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: at each level for you to build around, and that's

816
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: a really good place to start defensively, and I know

817
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: Judean kind of on the defensive line. That's a guy

818
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: you're building around, but he'll be entering the final year

819
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: of his deal, thirty, in his thirties, he's coming off

820
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: an injury. He's probably on the way. Like you're not

821
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: building maybe for twenty twenty four, you're kind of it's

822
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: still on the plans, But I'm saying long term, Christian

823
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: Barmore can be a lynchpin for your defense. We know

824
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: what that position, that athletic defensive tackle position means to

825
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: the Patriots defensive style. And even if Bill Belichick's gone,

826
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think the defensive style is going to change drastically,

827
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: if at all.

828
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to that. A good question. That's a

829
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 2: guy you gotta keep around with Barmore. The only thing

830
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: that I wish for him is that they had a

831
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: guy like Judan to actually finish some of these pressures

832
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: that he's getting right, because he's not a finisher, Like,

833
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: he's not going to be somebody that's gonna have like

834
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: double digit sacks or something like that.

835
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: He's a DISRUPTI well, that's supposed to be Josh.

836
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: So whether it's or whether it's Judean, you just wish

837
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: that there was somebody there to clean this up for

838
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: him because he's constantly infecting the pocket and they just

839
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: have to have somebody that can go out there and

840
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: finish power, you know what, the bowl rushes and the

841
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: two gap stuff slipping around Quentin Nelson to back door

842
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: that play on the TfL in the end of the game.

843
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: Just a fantastic game for him. Again, he has been

844
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: statistically a top three defensive tackle in the league for

845
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: about a month and a half now, so he's playing.

846
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: I think PFF has him number eight in the league

847
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: overall defensive interior. All right, who you got? Number one

848
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: would be bar More. My number two is going to

849
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: be the same number two. It's been the last couple

850
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: of weeks. Yeah, they're running backs. See Kelly Ormandra Stevenson.

851
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: Both those guys look.

852
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: Like the same list, I think.

853
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean we watched the same game. Yeah, both those

854
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: guys look like they you know, early in the season.

855
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: I think that in Mare was limited in training camp.

856
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: Zeke wasn't in training camp at all. I think they've

857
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: got their legs under him now. I think they're in

858
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: regular season shape. I think they're ready to go. If

859
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots do want to win games here down the stretch,

860
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: these guys got to be a big part of it. Yep,

861
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: they're moving well, they're breaking tackles, all of it. Yeah.

862
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: I like what I'm seeing from both of them. Absolutely.

863
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: I had Remandra Stevenson as my number two up. I

864
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 2: thought that he ran the ball fantastic in this game,

865
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: like vintage Remandre in this game when Remandre is feeling it,

866
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: and you can tell, it's always about how he finishes

867
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: the runs. And I thought in this game he was

868
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: running angry. He was running over guys, breaking tackles back

869
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: on the slalom slopes right just yeah, you know, kind

870
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: of weaving in and out of tackles. It through the

871
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage so much better in terms of his decisiveness,

872
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: his awareness of where things were gonna come from. I

873
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: thought that he was really good in this game, and

874
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 2: I think that he's been really good for the last

875
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: let's call it three or four games. He in terms

876
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: of like yards after contact, force, miss tackles, rushing guards

877
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: over expected like he's near top six or seven backs

878
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: in the league for about a month now. So he's

879
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: back to being one of the NFL's best ball carriers.

880
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: And you have to give him some props for that.

881
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: My third up, I had two. You know, I know

882
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 2: it's a ten six game, kind of weird to have four,

883
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: But I do want to give Jelanni Tovay some flowers.

884
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: He's been playing good football, so Jelani Tvai has been

885
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: one of their best players. PFF has him right now

886
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 2: as the sixth graded linebacker in the entire like off

887
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: ball linebacker. Yeah, and the entire league, a top ten

888
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: player at his position. He's been very, very good now,

889
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: is he is? There certain limitations to his game that

890
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: you know, you're not going to have him covering guys

891
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: twenty yards down the field and things like that. Yeah,

892
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: of course, But I actually think he's pretty good in

893
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: zone drops like he dropped pretty well, quickly diagnoses routes

894
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: to play on. The Miles Bryant interception was a fantastic

895
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: play to get his hand on that ball. I had

896
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: a pressure in the past game when they did let

897
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: him rush plays the run. Well, this is one of

898
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: those guys that if you had some of those you know,

899
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: finishers like I was talking about earlier, if you had

900
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: Christian goan Zalez out there, if you had Matthew Judon

901
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: out there, Jelani Tavao would be taking care of his

902
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: one eleventh and you would be you would be a

903
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: good defense, right, Yeah, if he was just kind of

904
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: a starter instead of somebody that needs to go out

905
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: there and may make a huge impact. He's been really,

906
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 2: really good all year, and I think that it's interesting

907
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: when you look at his like PFF grades, how they've

908
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: just gotten better and better and better with each season.

909
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: He's under contract for next year with the Patriots, so yeah,

910
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: so he'll be a Patriot in twenty twenty four. I

911
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: think Dev's been really good.

912
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the big thing and you kind

913
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: of touched on it there last year, Remember they tried

914
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: playing them off the ball wasn't working. They moved it

915
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: in the edge and he was good there, but that's

916
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: a limited role. I remember in camp, early in camp

917
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: he starts making plays and coverage and I'm like, what

918
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: is going on here? This is this is new? And

919
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: I remember I asked him about it in camp and

920
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: like I said, has covered something? You focused on the sauce.

921
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: He didn't really want to answer the question where he's like,

922
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, I work on a lot of things, blah blah,

923
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: but like it was one of those answer I don't remember.

924
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: I have to go find the full transcript public. But yeah,

925
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: he basically said yes without saying yes, and you're seeing it.

926
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: It's carried over like he looks so much more comfortable

927
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: in those situations, and he's turned himself into three down

928
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: off ball players. So he deserves a ton of credit

929
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: for that.

930
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, So last one here for me, Yeah,

931
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna go the other way on one on

932
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: this group. In a second run blocking, I thought this

933
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: was a really good run blocking game, especially in the

934
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: second half city soow on WHENU. I'll even give col

935
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: Strane some some love in this as well. That they

936
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: were moving the line of scrimmage on those duo schames,

937
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: the gap schemes, running right downhill at the colts, a

938
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 2: couple good wham plays in there, a couple of good

939
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: outside zone plays like this is the best I think

940
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: they've seen them block outside zone in a long long time.

941
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: They were really, really good, really good at run blocking

942
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: in this game, and I give a lot of credit

943
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: that they continue to run block well even though and

944
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: we'll get to the downs here in a second. The

945
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: pass blocking was atrocious, but they were good in that respect,

946
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: and they deserve credit.

947
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: Do you have any more? Yeah, this might surprise some people.

948
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: Bryce Bearinger, Yep, it was excellent in this game four

949
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: times for total to two hundred and fifty yards. Now,

950
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: he had two touchbacks, and I saw a bunch of

951
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: people complaining about that. And yes, normally you don't want touchbacks.

952
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: It's true most of the time. But in Matthew Slater

953
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: talked about the staff of the game. So this isn't

954
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: just me making excuses. When you're punting from your own

955
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: twenty Yes, you can kick a touchback. That's still a

956
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: sixty yard net punt, right right, And he had a

957
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: seventy nine yard and it was a touchback, so it

958
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: turns into a fifty nine yarder. But yeah, if it's

959
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: a touchback, you'll take a fifty nine yard punt because

960
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: the reality is, if you can kick the ball that far,

961
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: you don't want to OutKick your coverage, and the best

962
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: way to do that is to not allow a return.

963
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: So I thought, you know, sometimes you just go to

964
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: the driver and you blast the ball, and you do

965
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: that on a par five where the hole's nowhere near

966
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: you and you don't have to worry about, you know,

967
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: overhitting it. Or anything. Yeah, I'll take a touchback from

968
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: the twenty. I have no problem with that kick. And

969
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: he's still even with the two touchbacks this weekend is

970
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: six in the league, inn I twenty percentage.

971
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's been, he's been. Okay, I leave the

972
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: punters to you.

973
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: So here's what I would say. Here's what I would say.

974
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: The first couple of games he had, he I think

975
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: he the first two games, his first punt in each

976
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: game was a shank, if I remember correctly. Yeah, since then,

977
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: he's been excellent. Yeah, so, all right, he's a rookie

978
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: who had two bad plays in these first two games.

979
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: That happens. I am totally okay with that. We'll talk

980
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: about Chad Ryland in a little bit. I think that

981
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: one's a little different. I think you have to be

982
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: happy with it. I know people hate when I use

983
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: this line of so and so was their biggest problem.

984
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. If Bryce Bringer was the biggest problem

985
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: for the Patriots special teams right now, they'd be the

986
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: number one special teams unit in the league. Like he

987
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: is doing. He can't ask for much more than what

988
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: Bryce Berenger has done to this point, especially from a rookie.

989
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: I think he's been good. I think this was another

990
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 1: good game for him this week.

991
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 2: Okay, so fair enough, moving down to the U. Also,

992
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: he almost hit the scoreboard. It was close.

993
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: I know.

994
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: I got so many people tweeted at me. Thank thank

995
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: you to all of you.

996
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: I got so excited. That was like the highlight of

997
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: the game for me. It was close.

998
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, where we were sitting, the ball went behind the scoreboard.

999
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: So if if he had kicked it more into the

1000
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: middle of the field, I think it would have. So

1001
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: Clint he talked about that. I think he aimed to

1002
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: it was wide. Maybe it wasn't him.

1003
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: Somebody said it the scoreboards like the one in Dallas, right,

1004
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: we talked about that week, But it's narrow. The scoreboard

1005
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: there I think was wider than the hashes. Yeah, so

1006
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: I do think it. Maybe it was might even Jake

1007
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: Bailey that talked about that when he played there last week.

1008
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember who said it, but somebody was like, yeah,

1009
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: you have to you have to kick around it.

1010
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, it was it was close. Three downs,

1011
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: So Mac is on my downs list. I think we've

1012
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: beaten that enough, that dead horse enough. I don't even

1013
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: like I said, we have to. We might have to

1014
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: retire Christian Barmer. We might just have to retire Mac

1015
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, okay, he's a down.

1016
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Why are you excusing them from the domes? Talk

1017
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: about him?

1018
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: And rewind Yeah, I will excuse your boy Bryce Behringer

1019
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 2: from this because you're telling me that he was fine.

1020
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: So I think then we're gonna have the same down here.

1021
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: But Special Teams Special Teams minus Bryce Bearinger is one

1022
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: of my special teams.

1023
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: I have to I just have to do this for

1024
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: a second. The fact that this team is thirtieth and

1025
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: special teams.

1026
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: They were thirty first, so they moved up. They are thirtieth,

1027
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: don't put it down. They moved.

1028
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: Is as much of an indictment on this coaching staff

1029
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: and the way that this operation has been run this year.

1030
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: As the quarterback this team, this team, Alex got stripped

1031
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: OTAs in the spring because they practiced special teams too much.

1032
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: They spent much on pract practice too many meet It

1033
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: is unbelievable. They have three special teams coaches, namely another

1034
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 2: staff that has two special teams coordinators and an assistant

1035
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: Special teams coach. They essentially have three special teams coordinators

1036
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: on this team. They have five players and I'm including

1037
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: Time Montgomery in this because he played one freaking snap

1038
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: on offense special point five players that are special teams

1039
00:48:53,120 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: only play board Schooler Schooler Montgomery and Cody Dave, Cody Davis, honestly,

1040
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: and you can include you could include a mere speed

1041
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 2: in there, because that's what he was before he got cut.

1042
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: They have five guys on the roster right now, on

1043
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: a fifty three man roster that are all active on

1044
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: game day, that all cover kicks. That's it, that's their

1045
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: one responsibility. They have two special teams coordinators on staff.

1046
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: They have five guys that only cover kicks. They spend

1047
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: more time on special teams than any other team in

1048
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 2: the league, to the point where the league punish.

1049
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: Them for it.

1050
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: And not to mention, they became the first team in

1051
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: thirty freaking years to use two draft picks in the

1052
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: same draft on specialists. And not to mention, they have

1053
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: the highest paid long snapper in the NFL, and they

1054
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: think they are garbage in the kicking game, hot piling garbage.

1055
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 2: They can't cover kickoffs. They almost gave up a kickoff

1056
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: touchdown one of your special team's only guys time Montgomery,

1057
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: he made the tackle.

1058
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: Good for him.

1059
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: They can't cover kickoffs, they can't return, they can't kick

1060
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: field goals. This is an absolute abomination. It's an abomination,

1061
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: and I just I can't, for the life of me,

1062
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: believe in this regime anymore when all they do is

1063
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: shove down our throats that special teams matters, and we

1064
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: should care about special teams, and we should care about

1065
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: their investment in it, and this is the right thing

1066
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: to do. This is how you win football games. If

1067
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: you believe that, and you're this bad in the kicking game,

1068
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: then how do I believe anything that comes out of

1069
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: your mouth. So that's where I'm at with the special

1070
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: This is impassions that I've ever seen you about special teams.

1071
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: I love that. I wish it was under better circumstances.

1072
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: But still four players this year have not played a

1073
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: snap on offense or defense for the Patriots, only on

1074
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: special teams. Tyrone Wheatley, Jake and Jake Andrews is one

1075
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: we need to talk more about. By the way, it's

1076
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: not at any fault to him. Yeah, that's a top

1077
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: one fifty pick. Yeah that I mean, we've gone over

1078
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: the guys that were on the board there, Tyrone Wheatley,

1079
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: Jake Andrews, Chris Board and Cody Davis are the only

1080
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: players that have not played a snap on offense or

1081
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: defense later in school that were on for that hill.

1082
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: Mary remember, yes, yeah, no, And I think to add

1083
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: to your point of there's this focus on it, and

1084
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: it's the results aren't there. It was so bad last year.

1085
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: Yeah so, and we were told not to interrupt you,

1086
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: but we.

1087
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: Were told no, never apologize. We're talking about special teams, that.

1088
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: Joe Judge was going to come back over to special

1089
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 2: teams and this was gonna help, and this was gonna

1090
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: fix things.

1091
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: They might be worse. They are worse by a number

1092
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: of major metrics. They are worse.

1093
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: They are worse than they were last year. And and

1094
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: and this guy is still employed by this team. I

1095
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: can't understand it. That's that. This is what gets me.

1096
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: It said it was so bad last year, and I

1097
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: was somebody defending the moves they made because it needed

1098
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: to be better. Right. I don't think we've talked about

1099
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: Chris Board once in ten weeks of doing the show.

1100
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: And no, it's it's this isn't felgrin mass where they

1101
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: weren't gonna talk about him anyway. This is us. If

1102
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: he makes a play, we'll talk about it, right. I

1103
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: don't think we've said his name once. That part, to

1104
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: me is shocking, kind of the the allocation of assets there. Uh,

1105
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: there's been some other things. First of all, penalties. They

1106
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: are second in the league in specialty. You want to

1107
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: hear some real bizarro world, The New England Patriots are

1108
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: the second most penalized special teams unit in the league.

1109
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: They have twelve. They're tied with Dallas and Cleveland. Green

1110
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: Bay is one. You know what is the least special

1111
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: teams penalties? The Los Angeles Chargers. That is where special

1112
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: teams goes to die die anymore apparently. But I just

1113
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: had to throw that as in a side twelve twelve

1114
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: special teams penalties. Evan, what percentage of the snap? I

1115
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: don't know what percentag of the snaps the penalties are,

1116
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: but or the special teams is.

1117
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: But well, they yeah, I mean they pump more than

1118
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: any other.

1119
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: But I would say you have thirty on offense, twenty

1120
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: one on defense, twelve on special teams. I'm gonna pull

1121
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: up this number next time. You talk me to find it.

1122
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: The percentage of snaps that result in a penalty, that

1123
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: percentage feels very high. On special teams, they keep running

1124
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: kickoffs out of the end zone. Yeah, they've run six

1125
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: kickoffs out of the end zone this year, Evan, do

1126
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: you know how many of them they've gotten past the

1127
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: twenty five? Can't be many.

1128
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 2: It's zero. Yeah, they can't make zero. They can't even

1129
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: kick off return past the twenty yard line. And then no,

1130
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: they get past twenty to twenty five the touchback line.

1131
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: Sometimes they don't get past the twenty. I think they've

1132
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: gotten past the twenty on all but one of them.

1133
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: I believe they the ones that go into the end zone.

1134
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking.

1135
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: It's just all bad. And then yeah, another one. I'm

1136
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: fine with this. We can keep piloting.

1137
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: This is just horrible that the punt return. Yeah, okay,

1138
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: I'll start here. I was gonna go here to. I

1139
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: have no problem philosophically. Yeah, the other teams backed up.

1140
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's a field position game. You know you

1141
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: need a spartan and you know your offense can't score

1142
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: I have that's another way to put it. Yeah, you

1143
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: need a spark. Fine, we're gonna go all out block here.

1144
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna just sell out for the block. I have

1145
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: no problem with that strategy and theory. But here's the thing.

1146
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: The way that works is you have to commit to it.

1147
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: It's a risk reward play. You put all eleven guys

1148
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: at the line and you're selling out for it. Now,

1149
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: the way one way you can counter that as a

1150
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: punt unit is say all right, because it's essentially what

1151
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: you do at that point is you turn into eleven

1152
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: on ten and you're guaranteed a free rusher. You're not

1153
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: guaranteed a free rusher when not because the returner cancels

1154
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: out the punter. Right, if you go eleven on ten,

1155
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: you have that. What some teams will do, and so

1156
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: usually the counter from the punt team is you bring

1157
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: the gunners in. Yes, and now it's eleven on ten

1158
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: in the box. What some teams will do is leave

1159
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: the gunners outside and say, fine, come at us. But

1160
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean, think about it, there's no turner back. If

1161
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: there's eleven guys all pinched in, you're just gonna throw

1162
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: the ball out to one of those guys and he's

1163
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: gonna run forever. Right, So that's the counter Okay, then

1164
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: that's usually when you back out of it. What some

1165
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: teams will do is leave a guy kind of in

1166
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: the middle of the field short where he can run

1167
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: back and still get the punt even if they do

1168
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: kick it to go. What they did instead was they

1169
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: put the Colts leeves the gunners out, and they put

1170
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas and Sean Wade and essentially no man's lee

1171
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: And they're fifteen yards off the line, so they're not

1172
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: gonna help block the punt. They're probably not gonna help

1173
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: if there's a fake. They're not that close. Yeah, and

1174
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: neither one is a position to run right, run back

1175
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: and field the ball. And credit to the Colts punter.

1176
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: I mean he gets off a hell of a kick there. Yeah,

1177
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: And part of what you're assuming is, all right, if

1178
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: we're going eleven on ten, he's gonna quick kick it.

1179
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get as much legs. So credit those

1180
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: guys get paid to. There is some of that in here.

1181
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: But and Bill and Slater bol said after the game,

1182
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: the play didn't go the way it was supposed to go.

1183
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: I I that wasn't the way it was supposed to.

1184
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: I feel like gliss is supposed to peel back and

1185
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: go get the ball. But like, you can't. You had

1186
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: two players you were playing eleven on nine. Yes, you

1187
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: had two players that had Z. However that play was

1188
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: going to play out. You had two players that were

1189
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: not in position to do anything. Yes, you can't have

1190
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: that again, go eleven on ten all you want. I

1191
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: would have loved an eleven on ten. Look there, and

1192
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: if he gets off a hell of a punt against

1193
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: an eleven man rush, he gets off a hel of

1194
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: a punt against an eleven man rush, that happens to

1195
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: tip your cap. Yes, you can't sell all out for

1196
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: the block and then not try to block the kick.

1197
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: So after the game, I suppose to a few the

1198
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: of the of the special teams guys Slater, and they

1199
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: told me that what they saw on film was that

1200
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: if they put nine guys across the colts, that they

1201
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: would bring one of the gunners in. Right when they

1202
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: brought one of the gunners in, that would get them

1203
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: the numbers advantage if it was man on man blocking.

1204
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: Like you just broke down, what happened was is they

1205
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: left the gunners out and then they just zone blocked

1206
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: inside out. So basically all the Colts did, was said,

1207
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: cute nice thing they called the nice punt block. You

1208
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: guys got here. You know, they made a check at

1209
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage to go from man blocking to

1210
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: zone blocking to block inside out so that they could

1211
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: keep the punter clean. And they blocked it. And that

1212
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: was that a seventy yard punt. It was sixty nine

1213
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: yards and that that's where again.

1214
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: So when they see that, when the gunners don't come in,

1215
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: you got to check out of that. And somebody else

1216
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: goes out and I believe Pop Dougas was on the left.

1217
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: Somebody else goes out covers that left gun or Pop

1218
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: Dougus goes back. You say, all right, they didn't take debate,

1219
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: reset go it's just a regular punt return. At this point,

1220
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: however you want to whatever you want to call that, like,

1221
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: you got to check out of that at that point.

1222
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: Just brutal.

1223
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: They're just brutal across the board and special teams. And

1224
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: when you're this type of team, when your offense isn't

1225
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: going to score thirty a game and your defense is

1226
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: playing without two of its best players, you have to

1227
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: find ways to win games on the margins. And at

1228
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: this point they are actively losing games because of special teams.

1229
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: And it's again where again I don't hate the idea,

1230
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: but you have to be able to execute it. And

1231
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: this is really like special teams.

1232
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: I think, you know, for us, we try to talk

1233
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: special teams and I you have to talk special teams.

1234
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: But it's pretty it's there's a lot of minutia to

1235
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 2: it that people, frankly even me, don't don't goes over

1236
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 2: your head. But at the same time, this has been

1237
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: tangible the last two weeks. They imploded at the end

1238
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: of the Commanders game with all the penalties on special

1239
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: teams and some of the things that happened in the

1240
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: fourth quarter of that Washington game. And then they imploded

1241
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: again in this game. They missed two field goals. It

1242
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: was a ten six game, right, So these are things

1243
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: that are just actively losing you games.

1244
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: And again, special teams is at its core field position. Yes,

1245
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: special teams is all about.

1246
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: They always say the number one prayer or already is

1247
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: the ball, right, like you have to come away from

1248
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: the play with the football. That's priority number one, And

1249
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: then priority number two is obviously controlling field position.

1250
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you have when you're almost leading the league

1251
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: in penalties, special teams, penalties, What penalties are what? At

1252
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: their court, it's a field position. Yeah, that's what when

1253
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: you get penalized in the NFL, your penalty, they don't

1254
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: take points off the board. You lose field position. That's

1255
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: the next most valuable thing. When the biggest field position

1256
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: phase of the game is costing you field position. Yeah,

1257
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: it's a lot to overcome. And it's it's complimentary football,

1258
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: like Bill talks about, like people in the chat, why

1259
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: are they talking so much about a punt return that's

1260
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: a major play in the game because of how it

1261
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: flipped the field and it changed the games.

1262
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: Because if you're if you go let's just say you

1263
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: just go normal return. There they're kicking out the ball

1264
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: out of their own end zone. You're thinking that at

1265
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: the worst, you're probably gonna get it at like your

1266
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: own forty.

1267
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: You should be you should be around the fifty. It's

1268
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: the very like he's a good punter. I'm blanking on

1269
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: the on the last name, Sanchez Santra is a good punter,

1270
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: Like he's gonna get one off.

1271
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: But you so, But you're talking about a a close

1272
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: to you know, a short field, a shorter field, you're.

1273
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: Talking about you handle it like a normal return. I

1274
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: think you're probably talking about a twenty to twenty five

1275
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: yard swing. You're talking about about about a quarter of

1276
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: the field.

1277
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: And which is dealing with this offense. That's a that's

1278
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: a big deal, all right, Well, I digress them. The

1279
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 2: special teams, I just I can't. I know we're spending

1280
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: a lot of time on it, and I get that,

1281
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: but it's part of the show and it's part of

1282
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: the game. And I think the bigger thing that that

1283
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to hammer home with it is just it's

1284
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: such an indictment on the whole program. This is this

1285
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: is the whole program, right like Larry Izzo, Matthew Slater, like,

1286
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: this is what it was all about. Tough teams, cover kicks,

1287
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 2: the T shirt that goes around the for cock to

1288
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: locker room all the time. This is what this team

1289
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: is about. This is what this team has been about

1290
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: for twenty five years. And this these things start to unravel,

1291
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: then what's left. What's left if they can't cover kicks

1292
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: anymore and they can't control the game and they can't

1293
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 2: control that phase of the game, and what's left last

1294
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: down pass protection across the board. Pass protection across the

1295
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: board in the first half was absolutely atrocious, probably as

1296
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: bad as it's been all year. It officially ended with

1297
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: a forty four percent pressure rate on mac Jones, I

1298
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 2: think that that's being a little bit generous to the protection.

1299
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna read out, Alex, the pressure is allowed

1300
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: by each player air one second. Of course, I pulled

1301
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: it up and then my phone crapped out. Pressure is

1302
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: allowed by each player on the offensive line. Because each

1303
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: player on the offensive line was responsible for at least

1304
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 2: two pressures in this game. So Connor mcdermot'd I had

1305
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: down for three, Cole Strange I had down for six.

1306
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: David Andrews I had down for two. City so I

1307
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: had down for five. Michael Onwenu I had down for two.

1308
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: They had five sacks in the first half. Really none

1309
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: of them were super competitive. I think there was one

1310
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: play where you maybe thought that Matt could have gotten

1311
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: the ball out, but in general, none of it was

1312
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: really that competitive. This was as bad as they've been, Like,

1313
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: put this up right there with the Dallas and New

1314
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: Orleans game in pass protection.

1315
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: It was that bad.

1316
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: And when you look at this Colts front outside of

1317
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: DeForest Buckner. It's not really that great of a front

1318
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: like and DeForest Buckner is a great player, don't get

1319
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 2: me wrong, But they came into this game like middle

1320
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: of the pack and pressure rate like this isn't like

1321
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: one of those teams like the Eagles that are just

1322
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: have like six guys that can come after you in waves.

1323
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: This is a pretty modest pass rush. They don't blitz

1324
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: very much either. Under Gus Bradley. This was a atrocious,

1325
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: atrocious pass blocking game. And I give the Colts some credit.

1326
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: They knew that Adrian Klem wasn't there, and I think

1327
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: that they came after the Patriots early on in this

1328
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: game with some schemed rushes I mentioned, you know, a

1329
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: gap pressure, some stunts, some different blitzes, you know, five

1330
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: man rushes if you want to call those blitzes. So

1331
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 2: they did some things to spice it up a little bit.

1332
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: But just in general, the pass protection has to be

1333
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: a lot better than this, a lot better. And I

1334
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: give city So a little bit of a break because

1335
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: this was his Since week one, he's been pretty solid

1336
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: in pass protection. This was a down game for him

1337
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: in that regard. This is a week to week occurrence

1338
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: with col Strange. We're at the point now with Cole

1339
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: Strange that you really need to start the question whether

1340
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: or not he can pass protected at an NFL level.

1341
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: And he was good in the run blocking game this game.

1342
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: I know PFF gave him pretty high marks in the

1343
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: run game. But in the league now in twenty twenty three,

1344
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: if you can't pass protect, you can't play offensive line

1345
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: like that. It doesn't matter how good of a run

1346
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 2: blocker you are. It's a passing league and you have

1347
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: to be able to pass protect. DeForest Buckner took his

1348
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 2: lunch money for two years in a row. It's the

1349
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: same thing every single week with Cole Strange. He can't

1350
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: pass protect in the league right now.

1351
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it hasn't been good. It hasn't been

1352
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: good across the board. It wasn't good across the board. Uh,

1353
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to figure something out at left tackle.

1354
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: If Trent Brown's out. I wonder if that's why Riley

1355
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: Reefs back at practice, because he's probably their best left tackle.

1356
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: If Trent Brown's not an.

1357
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: Option, Connor McDermott is not a left tackle.

1358
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: He's not a left tackle.

1359
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: He's not And I'll give Connor McDermott. This, I think

1360
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: this is where it comes down to. Some people probably

1361
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 2: have higher pressure rates that the pressure rate that I

1362
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: took was from next Gen. PFF had it about forty one.

1363
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 2: Some people are gonna have it at different levels. I

1364
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: think with Connor McDermott, it really depends on how you

1365
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: view Connor McDermott. Yah, because he gets beat around his

1366
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 2: edge quite a bit, but sometimes it's just enough that

1367
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 2: Mac is up in the pocket enough that it's not

1368
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: it's probably a lost block, but it might not necessarily be.

1369
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: When you have a quarterback that's, as you know, uncomfortable

1370
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: in the pocket right now, as Mac Jones, I don't

1371
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: know that you can afford that.

1372
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I had him with three this week,

1373
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 2: I had him with I think three or four last

1374
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 2: so week, and I know Badard had him with like seven, right,

1375
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: So it all depends on how you grade the hurries.

1376
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 2: That's yeah, it hasn't been pretty. But my point with

1377
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: Connor McDermott, he has at least made the pass rusher

1378
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: more times than not go the long way home, like

1379
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: he's at least making him run the arc and getting

1380
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 2: into him to about eight or nine yards and at

1381
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 2: least giving them a speed bump on the way to

1382
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: mac Jones. But the interior pressure in this game was relentless.

1383
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was my last down the defensive coaching

1384
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: staff and it's one thing, and it's a thing that

1385
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: bugs me. And I text you about this during the game, Evan,

1386
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: and people know, I think Miles Bryant gets too much heat. Yeah.

1387
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: I think Miles Bryant is a good player if you

1388
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: ask him to do the right things. The interception is

1389
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: a great example. They put him in the back of

1390
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: the defense. Read and react. That's what he's great at.

1391
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: Read and react. Go make a play on the football.

1392
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: What do I always say is the thing Miles Bryant

1393
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: should not do cover fast receivers. They went halfway around

1394
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: the world to put Miles brian on asay McKennon again.

1395
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, and look, he didn't have it. They switched

1396
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: out of it pretty quick.

1397
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: But in this case, so it was just like, I

1398
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: just don't know what else you do because you're not

1399
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: jac Jackson's not there, right, Jack Jones isn't playing. So

1400
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 2: Sean Wayde and Jonathan Jones are your two primary corners

1401
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 2: on the outside. So I guess you could have moved

1402
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones inside, but then now you're playing Miles Brighten.

1403
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah outside where who well, Jalen Mills, Like Jalen Mills

1404
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: is playing less than thirty percent of their snaps.

1405
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: He's been bad too, Okay, but who hasn't?

1406
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, right? Or Alex Austin, I don't know, try something

1407
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: like yeah, I know for a fact that doesn't work.

1408
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: We all know for a fact that doesn't work. And

1409
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: they switched out of it later in the game and

1410
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: just they went zone heavy, which kind of made sense.

1411
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: That's what I would have done, gone zone heavy. By

1412
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: the way, I found those percentages for the penalties, Okay,

1413
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: it's special teams is actually not their most penalties unit

1414
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: five percentage. So defense is the least three percent flat

1415
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: three percent of their defensive players result in a penalty.

1416
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what the league, I don't have the

1417
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: full league numbers, but that feels about right. Teams is

1418
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: four point five percent of your special teams plays running

1419
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: in a penalty right now? This is per Pro Football

1420
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: Reference I use Their snapcounts offense is four point eight percent, all.

1421
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 2: Right, So it almost is the fact that it is

1422
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 2: up there.

1423
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, is all we need to know.

1424
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the phones and the emails. Here,

1425
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: Mauricio is in Mexico. What's up, Mauricio.

1426
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, the fan of the show.

1427
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: Thank you for over three years.

1428
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:30,479
Speaker 3: Now.

1429
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 6: I have two questions.

1430
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 3: The first one being that Alex mentioned yesterday podcast that

1431
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 3: he will take out instead of Marvin Harrison Junior. You

1432
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 3: saying that he has Joe Thomas type of talent, and

1433
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 3: I wanted to see your thoughts seven on this stake

1434
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 3: from Alex. And the next question is if you think

1435
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 3: that Christen Gonsalaz will be able to come back and

1436
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 3: be his former spells after the injury, or if there's

1437
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: going to be a slight secret performance.

1438
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks for listening. We appreciate it.

1439
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: All right, right, let me get clarify that take.

1440
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, you hate the shiny new toys, That's

1441
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 2: what it is.

1442
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: If it's this coaching staff back, yes, do you put

1443
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: it past them to mess up even Marvin Harrison Junior.

1444
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 2: That's a fair take.

1445
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: That's what the take was. Basically, I guess that, and.

1446
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 2: Then they have better chance of Joe Alt being a

1447
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame tackle than Marvin Harrison being a Hall

1448
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: of Fame receiver.

1449
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: It was that I kind of agree with, and then

1450
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: I was basically also, I think it got twisted. I

1451
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: was basically just saying the drop from Joe Alt to

1452
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: the Day two tackles is more extreme than the drop

1453
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: from Marvin Harrison to the Day two receivers.

1454
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if I agree with that part,

1455
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 2: because I think Marvin Harrison is literally the freakiest freak

1456
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 2: I've ever seen.

1457
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good receivers in this draft, Evan.

1458
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: There might be, but I have not seen somebody that

1459
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 2: would that kind of body control, with that kind of

1460
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 2: size that it's it's like Calvin Johnson level stuff. Like

1461
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 2: he's so he can the way he gets in and

1462
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: out of breaks at what like six three six '

1463
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: four is just absurd. I mean, he looks like, you know,

1464
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: he ran that route last week out of the slot,

1465
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: that little slant that he caught for a touchdown. It

1466
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: looks like he's a slot receiver. But he's like six No.

1467
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: He's he's excellent. But look, look, I've heard some offensive

1468
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: line people compared Joel to Joe Thomas, who is.

1469
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 2: He's bigger than Joe Thomas he's I mean.

1470
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas. You're talking about probably the

1471
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: two best players at their position in their era. It

1472
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: was more about that. Take was more about the guys

1473
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: that come next, Like there's really very little tackle depth

1474
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: in this class, very little. Yeah, you miss the free

1475
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: agent classes and the free agent class is bad. So

1476
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of is Marvin Harrison and this is something

1477
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: that I don't totally the answer to yet. Yeah, is

1478
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison good enough that your will, let's say, and

1479
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: this is going with what we think is true right now,

1480
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: They're not gonna bring back Trying Brown, They're not going

1481
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: to resign Mike GONUINU. Is Marvin Harrison good enough that

1482
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: you're willing to go forward with whatever that tackle group

1483
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: would look like. I think that's fair.

1484
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 2: I think that if you're a Patriots fan, and if

1485
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: the way I look at it is that we have

1486
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 2: to be realistic about the fact that this is probably

1487
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: not gonna all get done in one offseason.

1488
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: And that's that was kind of my point is I

1489
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: think you can take Marvin Harrison. Yeah, and there is

1490
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: an argument to take them. You have to understand it

1491
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: is going to be really ugly And what I worry

1492
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: about is, well, I guess they're not taking a young

1493
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: quarterback in that situation. Well, they might be in the

1494
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 1: second round, but at that point I'm saying, the guy

1495
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: you're take in the second round, do not play him,

1496
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: do not play him as a rookie, do not subject

1497
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: him to whatever that offensive. That's fair.

1498
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:47,879
Speaker 2: I think they'll worry that you have with Marvin Harrison

1499
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: is kind of he's a better player than Garrett Wilson,

1500
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 2: but like Garrett Wilson, with Zack Wilson is like a waste,

1501
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: right right, Garrett, Well, poor guy is like wide open

1502
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 2: all the entire game, and Zack Wilson can't get him

1503
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: the ball. And I think that's what you were about.

1504
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 2: If you take Marvin Harrison, you have no pass protection.

1505
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: And let's say it's Mac Jones back at quarterback. Is

1506
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 2: that Marvin Harrison. I can pull up the All twenty

1507
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 2: two and show you, you know, the ten times in

1508
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 2: game Marvin Harrison gets open. But if they don't have

1509
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 2: somebody that can feed them the football, then what good

1510
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 2: is it?

1511
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 7: Right?

1512
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: And that's always the argument. I think a lot of teams, Eagles,

1513
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 2: San Francisco, Detroit, some of these teams that have become

1514
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: kind of the darlings of the NFL have definitely built

1515
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 2: inside out.

1516
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: They they've I mean, the Lions went Pa Seol over

1517
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase right, the Dolphins out of toront Armstead before

1518
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: they added It.

1519
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 2: Was same offseason with Tyreek Kill and toront Arms. Okay,

1520
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 2: but in general a lot of those not the Dolphins,

1521
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 2: I think are different because the Dolphins just went out

1522
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: and like threw money at the problem, which the Patriots

1523
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 2: could technically do too.

1524
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,560
Speaker 1: But are those players available, like Tarron Arms say, is

1525
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: not available season.

1526
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 2: The teams that have done it like rebuilt in sort

1527
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: of the long term way. Now the Eagles don't exactly

1528
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 2: fit this because they made the Super Bowl and won

1529
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: with Foles, but in general they had The Eagles have

1530
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: had a great offensive line this entire time. They built

1531
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 2: you know, Lane Johnson, Mylotta, Jason Kelcey, like those guys

1532
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 2: have been there for a minute and they have a

1533
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 2: great offensive line. Detroit, like you mentioned, drafted Penny Sewell,

1534
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 2: they've had a great offensive line, and then forty nine

1535
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 2: ers have a great offensive line. So in some ways

1536
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 2: you can make that argument that the line should come first,

1537
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 2: right and the teams that that have done well have

1538
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: have done that. But there's also the flip side, and

1539
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 2: that's the Bengals and the Bank has drafted Jamar Chase

1540
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 2: and they neglect they.

1541
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: Already had Joe Burrow. And that's ultimately what this comes

1542
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: down to. I would take a quarterback over if Drake

1543
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: May is there, I'm taking Drake May over Ethrow. Correct,

1544
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 1: So with you on that, Yeah, that's it was just

1545
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: like everybody's acting like and I get it. He's the

1546
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: consensus one one. I do understand that there should be

1547
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: a debate about Marvin Harrison versus Joel and maybe the

1548
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: debate comes up Arvin Harrison. Very good chance it does.

1549
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: But once we get more into this thing and we've

1550
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: studied more of the depth players on both both positions,

1551
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: it is a conversation. I don't think it's something to

1552
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 1: blow off. I think it's a conversation.

1553
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this and then yeah, I

1554
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 2: don't want you know, We're gonna have plenty of time

1555
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 2: to deliberate this. Let's say they bring back basically the

1556
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: same line that they have now, just assuming that Trent

1557
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: Brown is at left tackle and Connor McDermott. But it's

1558
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 2: at right tackle, sow Andrew Strange, Trent Brown, You've still

1559
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: taking Joe.

1560
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: All No, no, no, I see. I don't think there's

1561
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: a chance Trent Brown's coming back personally, And I'm operate

1562
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: at no if you have this line again. So basically,

1563
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: Trent Brown's gonna be the bridge tackle for like the

1564
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: fourth year in a row. Is so what you're telling

1565
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 1: the bridge that never the longest bridge right the bridge

1566
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: to No. Yeah, if Trent Brown and Mike go and

1567
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: to wor back, yeah, sprint up with the card for

1568
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison. Absolutely, I just don't think that's happening.

1569
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, All right, Todd is in North Carolina? What's up, Todd?

1570
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 5: You know, guys, I think that we might need some

1571
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 5: other areas, not just receiver in that, like you said,

1572
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 5: the O line, but our running backs are not very young.

1573
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 5: And I think mister Perlo is the one that says,

1574
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 5: you know, once you get a once you've had a

1575
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 5: running back for four years, five years, that's that where

1576
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 5: is pretty much gonna start showing in heavily. So I

1577
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 5: love our current guys. In fact, I've been very impressed

1578
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 5: with Zeke, but I think we also need a running back.

1579
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 5: There's just so many things that we need.

1580
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 8: I find it.

1581
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,919
Speaker 5: Hard to try to encapsulate everything.

1582
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Todd. Running backs you can

1583
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 2: do on your own time, no offense.

1584
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: Forgive me for this against No, I'm doing it on

1585
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: your time right now. Forgive me for this. They need

1586
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: two running backs. They need the next guy because they're

1587
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: not gonna pay them. You can take them in the say,

1588
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: and they need a pass catching back. They can. But

1589
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this, don't no, don't go to

1590
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: that next call. You're gonna listen to this. No, they

1591
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 1: are going to love Blake Coram.

1592
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: I knew you were gonna say that. They are going

1593
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: you take a running back in the top one hund

1594
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,520
Speaker 2: I will literally riot.

1595
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: Don't really, I will riot. They well, we don't know

1596
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: who's gonna be making We don't know who's gonna be

1597
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: making the pip. They need.

1598
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 2: They need two things out of running back. Okay, both

1599
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 2: of them can be had on day three. They need

1600
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 2: they need a third down back, and they can get

1601
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: that on day three, and they might even be able

1602
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 2: to get it in free agency, right Like I I

1603
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 2: don't know. I haven't looked at the free agent I

1604
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 2: wanted them assigned Jerick McKinnon for a while, whether it's

1605
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 2: it's it's Jef McKinnon or somebody like that. They might

1606
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 2: be able to fill that spot in free agency Michael

1607
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: Carter and then you you missed on Pierre Strong and

1608
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 2: Kevin Harris. Take another swing on one of those.

1609
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: Well, MD is gonna be entering a contract here. You

1610
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: need the next guy for Remondre. So maybe that's.

1611
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 2: We have so much evidence, and I don't mean to

1612
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 2: do like go on this whole rant about the running

1613
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 2: backs thing, but we have so much evidence that you

1614
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: can just there're a dime a dozen, just turn them out.

1615
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: They took they took Rimondre in the fourth round. Would

1616
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: you be okay with that? Yeah? All right, So that's

1617
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: Donovan Edwards Audric Estimay.

1618
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 2: And I'd like though I said, I said top one hundred. No,

1619
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 2: I don't not a single running back pick in the

1620
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 2: top one hundred.

1621
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: They are going, assuming it's this group making the pick. There,

1622
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: you can like it, you cannot like it.

1623
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 2: I won't like it.

1624
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: He runs the ball, he catches the ball, he blocks,

1625
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: he's its captain in Michigan. They love them.

1626
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 2: They've had him running back in the league two years

1627
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 2: in a row, and where has it gotten them.

1628
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not disagreeing with any of that, but

1629
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: you're going to have to watch him. We're going to

1630
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: have to talk about him, because yes, we do, because

1631
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: we have to talk about the guys they might take.

1632
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: He is very much a guy they might draft. Evan

1633
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: the fact you're so annoyed you know him.

1634
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 2: Right, I know you're right, But it's bad business. It's

1635
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 2: bad business. What do you like?

1636
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 1: What do you want me to tell you? So it's bad?

1637
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: We talk about all the picks they made that were

1638
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: bad business. Why is Blake corm any different?

1639
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 2: It's not any different. But the point is, who was

1640
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: the guy last year that I just drove you up

1641
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 2: a wall about but we had to talk about who

1642
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 2: was It? Probably be Jean Robinson, No, it was oh no,

1643
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: Jamier Gibbs, Jamior Gibbs in the first round, which happened,

1644
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 2: by the way, which has happened, by the way. And

1645
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 2: look at what the Lions have done with him. He's

1646
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 2: been nasty. He's been nasty the last few weeks. Are

1647
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: you're talking about the last couple of weeks.

1648
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: They got him going. Now, yes it took them to one,

1649
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: they got him going. He got him going. He won

1650
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:13,919
Speaker 1: them single handedly.

1651
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 2: That probably who was it the Bears or whoever they

1652
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,799
Speaker 2: play the other week is with those that the Lions

1653
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 2: have less holes.

1654
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: Like that, And that's fair. And again I'm not defending

1655
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: the pick, but there's a real chance that if it's

1656
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 1: the same group, they are going to like I hate it.

1657
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 2: And I hate this part about you get over it.

1658
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 2: Running back wanted that I wanted to do.

1659
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: It is our just running back in the.

1660
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 2: League that matters, and it's Christian McCaffrey and he's not

1661
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: on your te doesn't Jon might matter, doesn't matter he does,

1662
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: He doesn't do to the Falcons nothing because they don't

1663
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 2: get where are they if they gave him the ball?

1664
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 1: That's what.

1665
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't matter because they don't use them. Or he

1666
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: doesn't matter because they don't use him.

1667
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 1: What do you mean if it's a guy the Patriots

1668
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: might take, we have to talk about him.

1669
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't just what our job is. I don't I'm

1670
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 2: going to I'm gonna tell you in March that I

1671
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: want to throw up every single time you bring up

1672
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 2: Blake Korum, because it makes no sense in the world

1673
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 2: for this team to be drafting running backs.

1674
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: What makes sense for this It makes sense for them

1675
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: to draft Cold Strange. But that's different. That's different.

1676
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 2: It's different because that one, that one we didn't even

1677
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 2: consider it.

1678
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: We did consider it. I said it to you that year,

1679
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: and we had this exact same conversation. You just came

1680
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: very close, by the way to admitting the col Strange

1681
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: pick was good. I had you, I had you.

1682
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 2: I admit that we did talk about guards and it

1683
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 2: was about to get from BCU. I'm banking on his Johns.

1684
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 2: We had the exact we had It would have been

1685
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,440
Speaker 2: better than we had the exact.

1686
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: Same conversation two years ago about guards. We had it

1687
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: last year about you your gifts. There is a chance

1688
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: they are going to do this, so we have to

1689
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 1: talk about it. Okay, all right. That's what the people

1690
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: tune in for is that.

1691
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 2: It is ridiculous, ridiculous at this team. What they should

1692
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 2: do at running back is obviously Remondre is under contract,

1693
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 2: He's coming back. I would resign Zeke. I would. I

1694
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 2: think that's a real conversation. I think that's a good

1695
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 2: I think he's actually you know, we were around him

1696
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 2: a decent amount. He's been a pretty good guy in

1697
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 2: the locker room. I think too. I would resign Zeke

1698
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 2: to be back up to Remandre. I would find a

1699
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: third down running back, and I would throw a seventh

1700
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 2: round pick at a at a bell couch.

1701
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: I go fourth or fifth on on Zeke, though.

1702
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 2: Because Isaiah Pacheco is a first round pick on I

1703
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: wanted Pecko. That was my guy.

1704
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: On Zeke. Yeah, he might have a market. I don't

1705
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: know you're getting back for nothing. He I think might

1706
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: get some interest.

1707
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 2: So that's fair.

1708
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: Even if you want to resign, there's gonna be other teams.

1709
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: I think they want to sign him. I don't think

1710
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: the slam Tunkey comes back.

1711
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: All right. Rashad is in Baltimore. What's up shod? Oh?

1712
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: We got lined?

1713
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 2: We got line three syndrome. What's up shod?

1714
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 7: All right? So you guys were talking about earlier like

1715
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 7: like core like core player. So but I was thinking

1716
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 7: earlier life you have his playmakers. The first guy already

1717
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 7: thought of who is the Mario? I mean he's I

1718
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 7: mean like like he's what we thought Typhon maybe could

1719
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 7: have been. But like I don't even think. I don't

1720
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 7: even think Typhon can get anywhere near h Douglas life

1721
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 7: the way he plays. And then you got Mandre Mandre

1722
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 7: like he makes plays like I would keep him, and

1723
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 7: I'm av him. I don't think we should be thinking

1724
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 7: about running back. I think we I think we filoed

1725
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,879
Speaker 7: with running back. But I think that's it for offense,

1726
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 7: like who else? Who else? Who else makes plays on offense?

1727
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 7: Like nobody? So then I go to defense. Gone, So

1728
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 7: he's gone, But I think we can all say he's

1729
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 7: probably gonna be a playmaker. I mean then after that

1730
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 7: Bard Moore been looking good, but like a defensive tackle,

1731
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 7: like he's not gonna be an Aaron Donald. So I

1732
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 7: mean then after that, it's like, who else do we have?

1733
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 7: Like I can't think of I guess I mean the corner.

1734
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 7: I mean, I heard somebody talk about Miles Bryant the

1735
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 7: other day, but Miles Bryant, No, I'm not sold on

1736
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 7: my Brian. So I just feel like it's got to

1737
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 7: be a total like rehaul the talent like a toy.

1738
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 7: I mean with the coaches, we know that, but like

1739
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 7: with the talent, it needs to be a total overhauler

1740
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 7: talent thing. I mean, can you think of any any

1741
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 7: more playmakers that we have?

1742
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes for the color of shot. I think

1743
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 2: we both agree with you in that this team is

1744
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 2: deprived of star power, playmakers, game changing talent like whatever

1745
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 2: you want to call it, the one other name. And

1746
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: I've been you know, I wrote something you You're gonna

1747
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 2: love it. It's all next gen stats. You're the math.

1748
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 2: It's all over the place and there you should read it.

1749
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 2: You really are gonna enjoy that.

1750
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: Is that your revenge for that whole play corn thing.

1751
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna make you read it, just like you

1752
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 2: made me sit through that. One of the bigger points

1753
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 2: that I wanted to highlight was was how they've changed

1754
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger's role this season. We've talked about this on

1755
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 2: this show, but I actually was able to like tangibly

1756
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 2: prove it with numbers. So this year this according to

1757
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 2: next Gen, Kyle Dugger is lining up on average seven

1758
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 2: and a.

1759
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: Half yards off the ball. Okay, last year it was

1760
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: five and a half. That I have no problem with

1761
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 1: that number. That's a tangible number.

1762
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 2: So those two numbers that would obviously Kyle Dugger is

1763
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 2: playing further back in the defense.

1764
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: That's all it's saying. Did you break it down week

1765
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: to week?

1766
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: I haven't, because but I looked at it and it

1767
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 2: was about steady. You know.

1768
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: I feel like they've been playing him less deep more

1769
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: in the box the last couple of weeks.

1770
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 2: I think that maybe there's some truth to that, but

1771
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 2: the numbers didn't necessarily bear it out like that. It

1772
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: was a difference of like a couple percentage points, like

1773
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 2: tenths of percentage points not. But the point is is

1774
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 2: that I think Kyle Dugger is a playmaker. I think

1775
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 2: we he proved that last year. But in order for

1776
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 2: him to be a playmaker, they have to put him

1777
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 2: back in his natural position. So they're gonna add you know,

1778
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:09,759
Speaker 2: as I was doing this, and as I was writing

1779
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 2: this yesterday, I added another spot to the list of needs,

1780
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: and that's free safety, which if they can get a

1781
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: true center fielder to play in the middle of the

1782
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 2: field again like a lah Devin mccordy, then they can

1783
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 2: move Kyle Dugger back to the line of scrimmage. And

1784
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: I think that gives you another playmaker on defense, or I.

1785
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 1: Mean they just have Jabrill Peppers play there and they

1786
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: use to just let Kyle Dugger go.

1787
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 2: I think in ideality they love to play a lot

1788
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 2: of three safety.

1789
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: You can have both of them.

1790
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: I would like to have both those guys close to

1791
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage.

1792
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: So real quick here, Yes, Kyle Dugar's free safety. According

1793
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 1: to PFF, his free safety snaps I'll buy game eighteen,

1794
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 1: twenty thirty two, twenty three, twenty one, seventeen nineteen, so

1795
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: it had declined. His free snaped safety snaps had declined

1796
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: four weeks in a row until last week. They went

1797
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: up too, but it's still under twenty last two are

1798
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,879
Speaker 1: the only two weeks he's been under twenty box safety

1799
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: snaps twenty three, fifteen, twenty four, thirty four, twenty six,

1800
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty five, thirty eight, forty twenty eight

1801
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:20,799
Speaker 1: so weeks.

1802
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: I hate math. He hates math.

1803
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: I no, I don't like the hypothetical. Whatever his body.

1804
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: They they started playing them more in the box the

1805
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: last two weeks, and then it switched again. Last week.

1806
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 1: He was free safety.

1807
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 2: He's lining up farther away from the line of scrimmage.

1808
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 2: That that was it was cool stat that they were

1809
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 2: able to, you know, tangibly prove that free safety snaps

1810
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 2: this year third over thirty percent at free safety. Yeah,

1811
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 2: I think it's like thirty two percent.

1812
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: Two hundred and eighteen. Last year it was.

1813
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 2: Only ten percent, right, So he's clearly playing a different role.

1814
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: And I think that if you're the Patriots.

1815
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: He's already played more than double the free safety snaps

1816
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: this year than he did all of last year.

1817
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 2: Right, So if you're the Patriots, it's easy. I think

1818
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 2: what the easy decision is. I still think Kyle Dugger

1819
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 2: is a really good football player. I'm resigning Kyle Duger.

1820
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 2: I'm finding a real free safety and I'm moving Kyle

1821
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 2: Dugger back to his natural position, and I think he'll

1822
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 2: look like the guy he did in twenty twenty two,

1823
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 2: and that gives you another playmaker. So then you go

1824
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 2: into next year with sort of your building blocks on

1825
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 2: defense of bar More, Bentley, Dugger, Gonzales. Yeah, I think

1826
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: you can do a lot worse than that.

1827
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: And I'll put Peppers in there.

1828
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 2: In Peppers, sure peppers. Maybe Kean White takes that next

1829
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 2: step too. I'm not ready to put him there, but

1830
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: maybe he takes the next step. Maybe you do get

1831
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 2: one more year out of Matthew Judah, So are you

1832
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 2: writing off Martin Mapu? I'm not writing him off. I

1833
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 2: just I guess I just don't know where his path

1834
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 2: is at this point because they won't play him at linebacker.

1835
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of people are, Oh, you're so

1836
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: excited about him in camp? What happened in camp? He's

1837
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: playing all these different positions here, using him all over

1838
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: the place, and it's just not happening. Yeah, he's not playing.

1839
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 2: So maybe he's one of those guys that if they

1840
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 2: get a natural free safety, he plays more of like

1841
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 2: a slot box type of safety role and eventually takes

1842
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 2: over that spot for I would think Jabriel Peppers. Yeah,

1843
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 2: if you're going to resign Kyle Dugger long term, all right,

1844
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 2: let's get back to the phones.

1845
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: Patty is an aguan. What's up?

1846
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:24,520
Speaker 2: Patty? I don't know what we're yelling about.

1847
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 6: So you guys kind of just went over a little

1848
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 6: bit what I was going to ask. But is there

1849
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 6: I got a couple of questions, But is there a

1850
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 6: world where they resigned Kyle Dugger and they the next

1851
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,640
Speaker 6: regime whoever comes in, actually uses Marty Mapu as a

1852
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 6: linebacker and Kevin I don't know if you'd be able

1853
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 6: to answer this because I don't know if you looked

1854
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 6: at any of the you know, any of the draft

1855
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 6: prospects yet. But have either of you guys looked at

1856
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,799
Speaker 6: Roman Wilson from Michigan wide receiver.

1857
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Patty, and I wanted to

1858
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 2: bring this up, but not not Roman Wilson.

1859
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: I text you about Roman Wilson like the other day. Yeah.

1860
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 2: No, I've seen some highlights. An interesting player.

1861
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 1: I like him. I like him, I do. I think

1862
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: he's a good player.

1863
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: So we had a couple questions about this as well,

1864
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: and it's kind of about, you know, Gered Mayo's future

1865
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 2: in all of this.

1866
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1867
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 2: Uh, the emailer asked about him potentially moving to like

1868
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 2: head of football ops, which I'm not I don't think

1869
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 2: that that's really what the plan is with Gerard Mayo.

1870
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: I think that for.

1871
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:36,719
Speaker 2: Mao to pull the uh to pull like a super

1872
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: Brad Stevens, because he's not even going from head coach

1873
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: to GM, he's going from assistant to G right. Uh.

1874
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 2: I think they were still maybe that's in his future

1875
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: ten years from now, if he wants to, if he's

1876
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 2: tired of coaching. But I think at this point that

1877
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 2: that's not really where we're at. I am of the

1878
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 2: belief that regardless of who the head coach is, and

1879
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 2: this the emailer asks, you know, I thought Patty kind

1880
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 2: of about Martin Maphu because I think that Girod would

1881
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 2: view things a little bit more modern yeah than Bill would.

1882
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 2: And I think that that is a potential part of that,

1883
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 2: like a tangible part of that could be Barti Mapu

1884
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 2: playing more at the second level of the defense. This,

1885
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,799
Speaker 2: you know, emailer talks about, you know, the offensive minded

1886
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 2: head coach, and the way I feel about it is

1887
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 2: that I still want them to hire the best guy

1888
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:32,560
Speaker 2: and not pigeonhole themselves into offense defense whatever. But either way,

1889
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: I look at it and I really feel strongly that

1890
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: I would like to keep the defensive system in place. Yeah,

1891
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 2: And I think the teams that successfully turn it over

1892
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: for the most part, successfully do it by keeping at

1893
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: least one side of the ball consistent. I would like,

1894
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 2: whether he's the head coach or he's the defensive coordinator,

1895
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: I would keep Gerard around to run the defense. Either way.

1896
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent agree. We were talking about this. Yesay,

1897
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: they have a good like the defense isn't necessarily bad

1898
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: because of a lack of talent or like right now

1899
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: there's injuries. Yeah, this defense looks a lot different if

1900
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 1: you have Christian Gonzalez and you have Matthew Judo and.

1901
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 2: They're still there's thirteenth in DVA, right, Yeah, like they're

1902
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 2: still good in their twelfth and waded DVA. So that

1903
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: that puts more emphasis on games that have happened recently,

1904
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 2: So it's not it kind of takes the first month

1905
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 2: of the season out when they had everybody right. So

1906
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,719
Speaker 2: there's still a middle of the pack defense at worst,

1907
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:32,600
Speaker 2: and that's without en two of their best right and pretty.

1908
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: Much everybody's back. It's just Dugger's the only guy that

1909
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 1: you know, the only big time play. Look, they're gonna

1910
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,480
Speaker 1: need another corner because Jack Jones is gone now. But yeah,

1911
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: like the defense doesn't need that much work. The defense

1912
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: you can get back to a top ten unit, I

1913
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: think in one offseason, even still needing to address everything

1914
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: you need to address on offense. Yeah, I agree, you

1915
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: need a free safety. You need like a third boundary corner,

1916
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: like a Jason mccordy kind of guy. Maybe it's Sean Wade,

1917
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: maybe it is, and then you need another passed replace

1918
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: Jos Juja. You need other like but you don't need

1919
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 1: like an elite, you just need a secondary guy. And

1920
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: maybe that's key on White. Yeah.

1921
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 2: So if we assume that Judon is going to be

1922
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 2: back and is going to be Judon, yeah, which it's

1923
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 2: a pick.

1924
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: Injur it's a peck. I think he'll be okay.

1925
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: So then yeah, I think that they definitely need to

1926
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 2: find a way there right now. And great, you're.

1927
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Making moves on the margins, you're not. Safety is the

1928
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: only position I would use a premium asset. And that

1929
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 1: doesn't mean first round pick, but like, yeah, top one

1930
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: hundred pick or one of your highest paid players in

1931
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 1: free agency.

1932
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 2: Nope, let's say they go top one hundred picks on defense.

1933
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 1: If it's a safety, I would if like a third

1934
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: round safety I can do.

1935
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 2: Like there's so many you know, for example, I think

1936
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 2: he moved the last off season, Jan Thornhill.

1937
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know Jesse Bates. I know he got

1938
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: paid a lot. Jesse Bates would be a premium asset.

1939
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:51,879
Speaker 1: You're paying like that's what a prey.

1940
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 2: But I would be okay with paying one of those

1941
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 2: guys I would not be okay with using a draft

1942
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 2: right fair enough, because if you're if you know that

1943
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 2: you're getting like a Jesse PAIDS level player, and that's

1944
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 2: that's well.

1945
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: I want them. I want them to add a veteran

1946
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: free safety to begin with, because a very cerebral role.

1947
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:07,719
Speaker 1: I'd like the guy that's seen a lot of football,

1948
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't. I might draft the guy there later

1949
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 1: as like a project, but no, I want them. I'd

1950
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: call and I know he hasn't played a ton in Buffalo,

1951
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: but I don't think Buffalo's making a ton of good

1952
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 1: decisions right now. Yeah, I call Taylor rap again. He's

1953
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: gonna be free agent. They met with him last year.

1954
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: He might be able to get MIKEA. Hyder, Jordan Poyer.

1955
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: All right, well I would do that. Oh those guys

1956
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 1: are the watch real quick. On Roman Wilson. Yeah, I

1957
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: just I pulled up his scouting report from Pro Football

1958
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: Network just to get his height and weight. But I

1959
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: just want to read you the first line of him

1960
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: by elite athleticism that separates play to play, but like

1961
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: elite athleticism in what sense, he's just really well rounded

1962
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: act because like he was a track and field star like.

1963
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 2: Okay, but like DK Metcalf is an elite that elite athlete.

1964
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 2: But DK Metcalf plays receiver a lot differently than Tyree Killed.

1965
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: He's so he's Roman Wilson six foot one ninety two. Okay,

1966
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 1: I don't think he's Tyreek Hill, all right. So here

1967
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 1: they have his he they did like he did the

1968
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 1: combine test coming out of high school. Yeah, four three

1969
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: seven forty thirty seven inch vertical four h nine shuttle.

1970
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 2: But I'm not always concerned about the What I mean

1971
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 2: is like how does he win? Like what what is

1972
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 2: his playing style?

1973
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 1: And how does he he said breaks? No, he's like

1974
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: a really high level route runner.

1975
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I I worry about it. I worry

1976
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 2: about guys from those offenses like Michigan.

1977
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 1: And that's fair.

1978
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 2: Because they don't throw the ball a lot, right, and

1979
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 2: and they he's playing on an.

1980
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: Off he's flexible, Like he's flexible, he's got good balance

1981
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: like that. Who is Why am I blanking on the

1982
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 1: the seventh round receiver that came out of Michigan last year?

1983
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 7: Oh?

1984
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know? Do you remember? Yeah?

1985
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a better version of It's like the

1986
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,879
Speaker 1: same kind he's the same kind of players, just much better. Okay,

1987
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 1: all right, all right, I'll I'll allow it. You're gonna

1988
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 1: like him when you watch him, You're gonna like him.

1989
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,759
Speaker 1: I know it's not gonna be for a couple of months, unfortunately.

1990
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 2: You know that I'm only going to like Marvin Harrison Junior.

1991
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be very it's gonna be very annoying

1992
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 2: that you're not gonna if you like him more than

1993
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: Drake May, we're gonna have a problem.

1994
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: I will say this.

1995
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 2: I I do really like the kid from Texas.

1996
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 1: Worthy Worthy. I like how about the other kid, Adie Mitchell.

1997
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 2: I haven't watched him as much, but Worthy reminds me

1998
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 2: like a little bit of Day Flowers. And you know

1999
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: how Yeah, no, that's that. That's that's he's bigger than

2000
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 2: Jay Flowers. Ronnie Bell is the guy from Yeah Ronnie Bell.

2001
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 2: I think he's bigger than not that much bigger than

2002
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: say Flowers. I think he is day Was like Tomorrow

2003
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 2: Douglas size, like five eight one eighty.

2004
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 1: I like I like Worthy too, uh six one seventy

2005
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 1: ten so much so he's taller, but he's not. I mean,

2006
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: he's a he's a.

2007
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 2: There's a big difference between five eight and six to one.

2008
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, big, but one seventy two, one seventy two.

2009
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 1: He's a he's got he's even thinner, he's even more

2010
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: of a real.

2011
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 2: I know, but like he's the height matters. That's fair,

2012
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,799
Speaker 2: that's fairst that's fair. All right, Tim is in Providence.

2013
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: What's up?

2014
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 2: Tim?

2015
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,719
Speaker 1: Guys doing good?

2016
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 8: So I think my my sort of confirmation that I

2017
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 8: didn't want to bail back to be it was the

2018
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 8: trade deadline, and I know I brought this up, but

2019
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 8: he just I don't I don't see him paying out

2020
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 8: under eleven million a year. I just don't see him

2021
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 8: doing it. So why keep him if if you can

2022
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 8: get draft capital. Well, he's a good player, but but

2023
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,679
Speaker 8: their safety is not the most important position. But field,

2024
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 8: well I don't know.

2025
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 2: So basically, now I get it to him. Your your

2026
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 2: your line is breaking up a little bit. So I'm

2027
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 2: just gonna fill in the blanks here. So the trade

2028
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 2: deadline and the fact that they didn't sell it the

2029
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 2: trade deadline and they had some assets like Kyle Dugar,

2030
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 2: like josh U Jay that I understand Tim's point that

2031
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 2: they if they're not going to pay these guys, Why

2032
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 2: didn't they trade them? I think the obvious answer to

2033
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,759
Speaker 2: that is maybe they are planning on hanging those guys,

2034
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 2: right like, that would be the shortest answer.

2035
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2036
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 2: But and this is just a theory, This is just

2037
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 2: me talking dove. Don't don't come for me here.

2038
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 1: He got current yesterday.

2039
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 2: I think that there's a chance that they didn't want

2040
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 2: Bill making any decisions to the point where we don't

2041
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 2: want you making a trade like that because you're determining

2042
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 2: the return, you're determining how it goes down, right Like,

2043
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance that they just said play

2044
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 2: it out, Just play out the rest of the season,

2045
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 2: and we'll allow macro or whoever the next general manager

2046
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 2: is of the Patriots make the decision of whether or

2047
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 2: not to resign a guy like Kyle Duggar. I if

2048
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 2: you look at the books for twenty twenty four, it's empty, right,

2049
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 2: the coverent has been like forty. I think they I

2050
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 2: really think that they didn't want to touch next year.

2051
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:55,879
Speaker 1: I on resigning, yes, And I said this at the deadline.

2052
01:35:56,160 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 1: I said, if they bring back a couple of these guys, okay,

2053
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 1: with if they bring back on Whenu and Dougger. Yeah,

2054
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: obviously I'm okay with them not trading them because they

2055
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 1: should have resigned those guys all along. Yeah, I am

2056
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 1: with them on the point of josh Ucha though josh

2057
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 1: u Ja should have been dealt and that's an indictment

2058
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 1: on Bill. That's a guy they're not going to resign.

2059
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: That's the guy I think they know. They're not going

2060
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: to resign.

2061
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 2: According to josh Juja.

2062
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: Well, now they're talking to him. I wonder why he's

2063
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 1: playing poorly yea, because now all of a sudden his

2064
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: prices come down.

2065
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 2: That's fair.

2066
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 1: That's a guy that should have been moved.

2067
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily disagree with that. I just wonder if

2068
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 2: they just said don't do anything like we don't. We

2069
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 2: just don't want you dabbling in anything because frankly, like

2070
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 2: do you trust do you trust it?

2071
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 9: Like?

2072
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: Do you trust them to get the best return for

2073
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 1: josh u Ja? Any return is better than him leaving

2074
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. That's not true, Yeah

2075
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: it is, no, Yeah, it is.

2076
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 2: What is?

2077
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 1: What are they keeping him for? What are they keeping

2078
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 1: in for the rest of the year for They're not

2079
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna get a compic They shouldn't they Well, I guess

2080
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: they could. They shouldn't because they should be signing.

2081
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 2: People, right, But if you trade him, then you know

2082
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 2: there's no like he's not coming back next year. And

2083
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 2: if you don't think he's come back anyway, well maybe

2084
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 2: the next regime feels differently.

2085
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: Maybe all right, I guess.

2086
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,679
Speaker 2: The point is I think that they didn't want people

2087
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:05,720
Speaker 2: to make decisions.

2088
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, we don't know unless you're

2089
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 1: in the room, I guess is your point. I would

2090
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: have just said, I don't think that's you can go get.

2091
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't think josh Uugh Jase a guy that' you're

2092
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 1: replaceable if you trade him, you can go get a

2093
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 1: player that does that.

2094
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 2: I agree.

2095
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: And you're gonna have to pay that player one way

2096
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: or the others, not like he was under contract long

2097
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: term and you're getting rid of him. I agree that.

2098
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 1: All Right, Will is in Florida. What's up? Will?

2099
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, was wondering if maybe one of you guys

2100
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 10: know something that I don't, because every time I hear

2101
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 10: you guys talk about the draft or players or anything,

2102
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 10: you always talk about this new regime as if you

2103
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 10: know that Bill Belichick isn't gonna be there, Like has

2104
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:49,919
Speaker 10: that been sett in Stone? Because I think Bill Belichick

2105
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 10: is gonna be our coach, and I'll go as far

2106
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 10: as to say I want Bill Belichick to stay. Okay,

2107
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 10: I was listening to a to a caller yesterday and

2108
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 10: you just of blew them off saying Bill had nothing

2109
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 10: to do with with our twenty year run.

2110
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 2: Okay, well that that we were kidding around about that.

2111
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 2: Well okay, but but no, no, I just I'm curious, like,

2112
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 2: what what what's your case for Bill sticking around?

2113
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 9: Like?

2114
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 10: My case is plain and simple. It's a simple, it's

2115
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:26,480
Speaker 10: crystal clear. Give Bill a quarterback and our run continued.

2116
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 10: I have been standing on this corner screaming Max sucks,

2117
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 10: and no one's heard me. You're finally coming around. I'm

2118
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 10: glad because you were on the It's everything but Mack

2119
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 10: Street for a while. So I'm glad that you finally

2120
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 10: come around. But give Bill a quarterback and we move

2121
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 10: right along. This train keeps going. Everything starts and stops

2122
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 10: with the quarterback.

2123
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:48,759
Speaker 1: Who's giving Bill the quarterback?

2124
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:52,480
Speaker 10: Bill is giving himself the quarterback?

2125
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 1: Do you trust him to do that?

2126
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 10: Mac Jones has seen Oh, let me calm down. Mac

2127
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 10: Jones has seen handily took apart everything we built for

2128
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 10: the last twenty years.

2129
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 1: Who drafted Mac jhoneson?

2130
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 10: But hear me out, I don't believe, and I'm being

2131
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 10: I'm being honest when I say this. I don't believe

2132
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 10: mac Jones was a Bill Belichick fit. I think Bill

2133
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 10: Belichick is smart enough to know that mac Jones was

2134
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Speaker 10: not a good quarterback.

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01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: Ok So, then who then? Who drafted Mac Johonnes? Okay?

2136
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 1: Why did Robert Kraft feel like he had a step in.

2137
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,799
Speaker 10: Because Bill wasn't gonna take mac Jones.

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01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: No, all right, we'll take it a little further. Why

2139
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,920
Speaker 1: why were they Why did Kraft need to step in

2140
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: and feel like you did do that because Bill let

2141
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 1: the quarterback position get to a point where they had

2142
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 1: to take a guy because Bill miss Bill's mismanaged the

2143
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 1: position going back.

2144
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:49,839
Speaker 10: To like twenty nineteen, mismanaged the position.

2145
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they knew Brady was going and they didn't draft

2146
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: bring in the next guy, Tom.

2147
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 10: He had Tom Brady. He was forced to let Tom

2148
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 10: Brady go by Robert Kraft because Robert Cramp didn't want

2149
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 10: to pay him. In my humble opinion, and the opinion

2150
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 10: of a lot of other Patriots fans. I believe that

2151
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 10: Bill Belichick wanted to keep Tom.

2152
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: I think it's been reported the other way. Evan. Maybe

2153
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 1: I'll misremember all, honest question.

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01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 2: No, but I appreciate the call, Will, and I hear

2155
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 2: what you're saying with Bill, because, first of all, and

2156
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 2: thanks for the call. Again, we yesterday were messing around

2157
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 2: with people because we think this is a straw man

2158
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 2: thing right where everybody is now of the belief that

2159
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 2: Bill did nothing like that. And and I don't think

2160
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 2: anybody's actually saying that, right, that's the straw manc right, right.

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01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody is actually saying over the last

2162
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 2: twenty years, yeah, that.

2163
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 1: Bill was not had no hand in this.

2164
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 2: Now maybe we are now seeing and I think this

2165
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 2: is actually Will's point, because he'd said it's all about

2166
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,839
Speaker 2: the quarterback. We are now seeing that Tom was probably

2167
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 2: more responsible for their success than Bill. But that doesn't

2168
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that Bill had no hand in it.

2169
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 2: That just means that, okay, you're out the credit. You know,

2170
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 2: Brady maybe gets sixty percent and Bill gets forty or

2171
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 2: wherever you want.

2172
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 1: To splice it up.

2173
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 2: I don't care so that's all the point that we

2174
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 2: actually agree with the caller that Bill had a lot

2175
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 2: of hand in it. It was obviously obviously duh, right.

2176
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:22,919
Speaker 2: I think the thing with with Mac, and I agree

2177
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 2: again with Will that a lot of Patriots fans feel

2178
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 2: the way that Will does that Mac just stinks, right,

2179
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 2: that Mac was bad.

2180
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: I get that a lot.

2181
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 2: He was a bad prospect to begin with and uh,

2182
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 2: and he was just never going to be good in

2183
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 2: the NFL. And I think that there's maybe an ounce

2184
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:43,879
Speaker 2: of truth to that that he was a limited prospect

2185
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 2: coming out. I thought that at the time that there

2186
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 2: was you know, he was a limited prospect at the time.

2187
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 2: But the problem is is how the situation was handled.

2188
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 2: It was handled poorly on multiple levels. And we broke

2189
01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 2: this down in the first thirty minutes. In terms of

2190
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,640
Speaker 2: the personnel, We've we've been over that, We've you know,

2191
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,759
Speaker 2: asked and answered on that a million times. The personnel

2192
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 2: is what it is the coaching and then the mind

2193
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 2: games that Belichick has played with him from the jump.

2194
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 2: If you knew that you had let's just say, you

2195
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:19,879
Speaker 2: knew that you had at best a league average quarterback,

2196
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 2: like even with all of the pieces together and all

2197
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:25,839
Speaker 2: of the coaching staff together, you had, at best the

2198
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,679
Speaker 2: sixteenth best quarterback in the NFL. Wouldn't you be doing

2199
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:32,720
Speaker 2: everything under your power to elevate that player? Like, if

2200
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 2: you knew that he's not gonna be the one elevating it,

2201
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:37,839
Speaker 2: then why wouldn't every single move that you were making

2202
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 2: on offense be catered to making that guy better? You

2203
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 2: know a lah the San Francisco forty nine ers where

2204
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,880
Speaker 2: they look at Brock party and they know that Brock

2205
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 2: Purty is not Aaron Rodgers, he's not Tom Brady, he's

2206
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:56,600
Speaker 2: not Patrick Mahomes. So instead, we're gonna trade for Christian McCaffrey,

2207
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep Deebo Samuel and George Kittle, and we're

2208
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 2: just gonna keep on adding talent on the offensive side

2209
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 2: of the ball. Brandon Nyyuk, right, like these types of

2210
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:10,599
Speaker 2: guys the Patriots. If you believe that Bill didn't make

2211
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 2: the pick for Mac, then you believe that Bill thought

2212
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 2: that Max stunk to begin with. And Bill's response to

2213
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 2: thinking Max stuck to begin with was Nelson Agaloor Or

2214
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 2: it was Juju Smith Shust, it was Mike is sicky, Like,

2215
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 2: how how does that how does that jive? Because if

2216
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:30,720
Speaker 2: you got Max stinks, then would the moves be a

2217
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 2: little bit bigger swings? Because if you to me, the

2218
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:37,720
Speaker 2: way that they operated was the total opposite. They operated

2219
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:40,360
Speaker 2: like they thought that they had a franchise quarterback that

2220
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:44,759
Speaker 2: was gonna take these receivers and make them look good. Instead,

2221
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:45,719
Speaker 2: it's done the total.

2222
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna say, all right, well Bill wanted

2223
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 1: to prove a point to Robbercraft and that's why he

2224
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 1: did that. Well, if that himself out of town, great,

2225
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: if that's his focuses, his focus isn't in the right place.

2226
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's the guy for the job. Again,

2227
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't mean to be like like snarky with

2228
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 1: the caller. I appreciate the call. There are fair points.

2229
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 1: I've kind of been waiting for somebody to ask me

2230
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 1: that question because again, that's what it comes back to,

2231
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:09,599
Speaker 1: is comes as a defense, and people interpret this as

2232
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 1: a defense of mac Jones. It's not mac Jones did.

2233
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 1: The problem doesn't end at mac Jones. People act like

2234
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 1: mac Jones was placed in New England by some supernatural

2235
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 1: power that and nobody here could do anything about it,

2236
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 1: and they were just saddled with him. Bill Belichick picked him. Yeah,

2237
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 1: and you can say Robert Craft stepped in all you want.

2238
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:29,680
Speaker 1: Why did Robert Craft have to do that? Because they

2239
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,679
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick failed to get the next guy before Tom

2240
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 1: Brady left. And it's not saying he didn't try.

2241
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 5: He tried.

2242
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 1: Stidham wasn't the guy. Danny Yetling wasn't the guy. Oh No,

2243
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:44,840
Speaker 1: Danny Eeling was not trying. But just the quarterbacks he's drafted, right,

2244
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 1: Jacoby Burssett like a journeyman, bridge starter, but he wasn't

2245
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. And I know, no, you gotta let

2246
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 1: me get to the next one. You gotta let me

2247
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: get to the next one. I know people disagree with this.

2248
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo right, not the guy. So it's not like

2249
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: he swung one son Mac and it's oh, give him

2250
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 1: another chance. You really, the last time Bill Belichick found

2251
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 1: a guy that was like a quarterback you can even

2252
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 1: somewhat build around. You got to go back to Matt Castle.

2253
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I so the Will's response, and I'm speaking for him, so,

2254
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 2: but people like Will, I guess I should say, because

2255
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:19,439
Speaker 2: I don't know Will's opinion on this, People like Will

2256
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:21,640
Speaker 2: will point it, will point to Jimmy g right, like

2257
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 2: they'll point to Garoppolo that Bill had the next guy

2258
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:29,679
Speaker 2: and Brady Brady outplayed it right, Like Brady outlasted Jimmy

2259
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 2: Garoppolo here in New England.

2260
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,040
Speaker 1: And the Patriots made.

2261
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 2: At the time. You can talk about the return of

2262
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 2: the trade and all you want, but the Patriots made

2263
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 2: the only decision that they could possibly make, which was

2264
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 2: trading Jimmy Garoppolo. You're not keeping Jimmy Garoppolo over Tom Brady,

2265
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 2: You're just not doing that. So they made the only

2266
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,559
Speaker 2: decision that they could But at that point they went

2267
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 2: all in. And I don't necessarily blame them, but they

2268
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 2: went all in and continuing to surround Brady. You know,

2269
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 2: they trade a first round pick for Brandon Cooks. They

2270
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 2: use first round picks on tackles and running backs than

2271
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 2: wide receivers. Like they went all in on keeping Brady

2272
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:09,759
Speaker 2: and a title contender, like keeping this team title contending,

2273
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:14,719
Speaker 2: instead of looking at the quarterback and drafting the next guy.

2274
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 2: So their highest draft pick, I believe was Stidham, who

2275
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 2: is still a fourth round pick. Like we're not talking

2276
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 2: about them like doing Jimmy g Reducks and drafting somebody

2277
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:27,640
Speaker 2: in the top, you know, sixty five picks. So I

2278
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 2: hear the caller because Bill's resume speaks for itself. Bill's

2279
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 2: gonna should be whether or not the media does a

2280
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 2: disservice or not. Bill's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Yeah,

2281
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 2: Bill's the greatest head coach of all time. And to

2282
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 2: run Bill out of town because of Mac Jones, I

2283
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,800
Speaker 2: understand why some people feel like, why are we doing that?

2284
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 2: Like why are we getting rid of the greatest head

2285
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 2: coach of all time because one quarterback didn't work out?

2286
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 2: And if you really don't like Mac, then you probably

2287
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 2: have some strong feelings about why, right, But at the

2288
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 2: same time, I think you have to look at the

2289
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 2: whole product, Like we went on a whole ran for

2290
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:10,799
Speaker 2: like fifteen minutes or earlier in the show about special teams.

2291
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 2: That's Bill's m Special teams is Bill's area, right, and

2292
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 2: they stink as special teams. Their offense has been a

2293
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 2: disaster for two years. So these are things that Bill

2294
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 2: has done that that go beyond just Mac Jenny.

2295
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 1: You look at the draft history too, again, and I

2296
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:30,599
Speaker 1: don't want this to come across as me I hate

2297
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:32,720
Speaker 1: the Brady versus Bill thing. I don't think there's one

2298
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,000
Speaker 1: without the other. Yeah, I agree with you. Bill Belichick

2299
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 1: is the greatest coach of all time. He's the greatest

2300
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 1: defensive mind in the history of the game. He should

2301
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:41,559
Speaker 1: not be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He should

2302
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:44,840
Speaker 1: get his own special induction ceremony. Him and Brady should

2303
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:46,759
Speaker 1: go in together. Will never happen, but it should.

2304
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 2: Can can can RKK go with them? Can we do

2305
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 2: like a like a trio?

2306
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:53,880
Speaker 1: He should be in before that. But yeah, sure, okay,

2307
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,799
Speaker 1: just to have a Patriots Hall of Fame induction.

2308
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 2: The NFL totally go for that.

2309
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:02,639
Speaker 1: I I yeah, seriously, But sometimes you need a certain

2310
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: guy for a certain job. Bill Belichick took and man

2311
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 1: it in. I just hang with me here. Yes, they

2312
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: were dominant for decades. It's not necessarily easy to manage

2313
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 1: that because of this whole thing Brady versus Bill versus

2314
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: this verse that he kept it all in check. He

2315
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 1: kept them sustainable for two decades. Remember we were talking

2316
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 1: about the Bills were the next great decade, the next

2317
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 1: great dynasty. I don't know, Evan, I don't know you were.

2318
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 1: You were fan boing pretty hard. I mean, I like

2319
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, but.

2320
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 2: They're about to misplayoffs, fire the coach, the next great

2321
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:38,639
Speaker 2: dynasty there about.

2322
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I was talking about they're about to

2323
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 1: miss their city. On the other hand, we we've talked

2324
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:44,640
Speaker 1: about what a great job the Niners have done. They

2325
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:47,800
Speaker 1: still haven't won a Super Bowl for him, We'll see

2326
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,880
Speaker 1: what Kansas City does. Are your that's my that's your

2327
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: team and my team, the Bills and the Niners. Yea,

2328
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 1: if why am I? Why am I the Bills? Because

2329
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 1: you love the Bills? I don't you love the Bills?

2330
01:48:58,560 --> 01:48:58,840
Speaker 2: All right?

2331
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this right now, The point being,

2332
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 1: sometimes you wouldn't hire electrician to fix your toilet, right,

2333
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 1: It's this is not this is not something Bills ever

2334
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 1: had to do. He's never really gone. They did like

2335
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 1: a mini rebuild. It's a retool. It wasn't a rebuild.

2336
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:17,920
Speaker 1: They did a retool in like the late two thousands,

2337
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 1: early twenty tens. Yeah right, the O nine team that

2338
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 1: kind of stripped that thing down built it back up.

2339
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:25,679
Speaker 1: But he's never really had a start from ground zero

2340
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:27,760
Speaker 1: like this. And by the way, that's not to take

2341
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:31,200
Speaker 1: anything away from him, because I'd say managing it at the heigh.

2342
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:33,640
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say he started from ground zero zero in

2343
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:36,720
Speaker 2: two thousand, but that team needed all.

2344
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so he did it once. But it was in

2345
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 1: a very different era. Yeah, it was in a very

2346
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: different era.

2347
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:41,559
Speaker 2: That's the biggest thing, is it, right?

2348
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:44,760
Speaker 1: The era he this just isn't what he does and

2349
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,680
Speaker 1: he managed a high level. He deserves a ton of

2350
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:48,719
Speaker 1: credit for that because I think that's a lot harder

2351
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 1: than people really, Oh, you're winning well.

2352
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 2: I also think what was so hard about it was

2353
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:56,680
Speaker 2: is that they because of the way that you know,

2354
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 2: they couldn't have possibly kept every single prier all the time,

2355
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 2: so they had to just keep on churning out.

2356
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 1: They keep finding guys, They kept finding it. But like

2357
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 1: for the flip side, right, I think there are some

2358
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 1: coaches that are really good at getting the thing started

2359
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:10,640
Speaker 1: at coming in with the tear down.

2360
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 5: Right.

2361
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 1: You look at all the all the Shanahan Tree guys, Shanahan, Lafleur, McDaniel,

2362
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 1: they're all really good at putting the foundation together, but

2363
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 1: they can't win when it matters, and they can't keep

2364
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 1: the sustained success because the house of cards falls apart.

2365
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 2: I hope one of those coaches wins, just so I

2366
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 2: can tell you that, and it will be, it will

2367
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:31,080
Speaker 2: be one of it would be one of ten of

2368
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 2: them in the league.

2369
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 1: How many collective seasons will that be? And they have one? Congratulations? Well,

2370
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 1: broken clocks right twice a day. I mean, it's the

2371
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 1: same thing. But here's my point and extent like it

2372
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 1: took Andy Reid how long? But but this is my point.

2373
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: This is my point. There's just certain coaches that can

2374
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 1: can't do certain things, and I think you need to

2375
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 1: find a guy that maybe is Bill's never had to

2376
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: do this in twenty years. He's never had to do this.

2377
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: He has certain philosophies that just don't pair with being

2378
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 1: two and eight, with starting from the ground up. I

2379
01:50:57,720 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 1: think you need to find a guy that's maybe more

2380
01:50:59,200 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 1: familiar with that.

2381
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 2: Right, let's take these last two calls. Dan Is in Minnesota.

2382
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 2: What's up Dan?

2383
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 11: Hi, guys.

2384
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:10,479
Speaker 9: I just wanted to chime in with my observation. And again,

2385
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 9: I'm just a fan too seeing things from afar, But

2386
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 9: I kind of think that Belichick, early on in his

2387
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 9: tenure with the Patriots, he was probably more responsible for

2388
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 9: their success than Brady. You know, maybe sixty forty prior

2389
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 9: to even seventy thirty let's say for the first three

2390
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 9: Super Bowls during the middle of that era, though, I

2391
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,519
Speaker 9: think it was more fifty to fifty as Brady came

2392
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 9: into his own, But I think the last let's say

2393
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 9: four or five years that Brady was with the Patriots,

2394
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:49,799
Speaker 9: it was sixty forty Brad or maybe seventy thirty Brady.

2395
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 9: I think I think Brady even had a better feel

2396
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 9: for where the league was going, the need for more offense,

2397
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 9: and I think Belichick kind of stubbornly resisted that, and

2398
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:07,680
Speaker 9: that led to some conflict between Brady and Belichick at times.

2399
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:11,760
Speaker 9: And so right now, I think Belichick's way, style of

2400
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 9: coaching and his philosophy just doesn't fit the modern to

2401
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:19,040
Speaker 9: the NFL, And especially with a losing team. I think

2402
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 9: during the time that they were winning, it was maybe

2403
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:24,880
Speaker 9: a little bit easier for him to acquire talent, be

2404
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:28,440
Speaker 9: a free agency and even get let's say better returns

2405
01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:32,400
Speaker 9: on trades and things like that. But now that they're losing,

2406
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,679
Speaker 9: I think it's hard for them to attract free agents

2407
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 9: and get free agents at a decent price, or even

2408
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 9: get good returns on their own players. If they want

2409
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,080
Speaker 9: to trade, and I think that's hindering a lot of things.

2410
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:45,719
Speaker 9: So I think they just need Craftice needs to change

2411
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:50,640
Speaker 9: the whole regime, new coach, new GM and see how

2412
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:51,400
Speaker 9: it goes from there.

2413
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:54,599
Speaker 1: They saw the call down, We appreciate it.

2414
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 2: Look when it comes to like getting free agents and

2415
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 2: things like that, I don't necessarily agree with that piece

2416
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:04,479
Speaker 2: of it. I think the biggest difference now compared to

2417
01:53:05,080 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 2: what it was back then was that all of the

2418
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 2: guys that they used to bring in back then when

2419
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 2: they had Brady, that was all supplementing the infrastructure that

2420
01:53:14,120 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 2: they already had in place. And so like when we

2421
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 2: go to think about some of these players like a j. C. Jackson,

2422
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 2: like a Jack Jones, like a Trent Brown, those guys

2423
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 2: weren't they weren't so reliant on those guys to just

2424
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 2: be a competent football team like they are now. Back then,

2425
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 2: it was like, all right, we're gonna bring in Trent

2426
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 2: Brown in twenty eighteen. If he ends up playing well

2427
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:40,360
Speaker 2: for us, then that's gravy, right, Like, great, we're gonna

2428
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:41,240
Speaker 2: trade for j. C.

2429
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:41,759
Speaker 1: Jackson.

2430
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna get him back if we can get him

2431
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 2: back to where he was in his first stint with

2432
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 2: the Patriots, that's a bonus. Now they have to have

2433
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:51,680
Speaker 2: those guys perform at a high level, like those are

2434
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:54,599
Speaker 2: your guys. Now, that's the difference I think with all

2435
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:58,280
Speaker 2: those types of things this team. And you know, we

2436
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 2: know I've had We've had a few callers already that

2437
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:04,080
Speaker 2: have said it, like this team needs those those foundations.

2438
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,800
Speaker 1: Need a core. And that's what happens. And this gets

2439
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 1: back to the whole point. Bill from the the like

2440
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 1: Devin mccordy, Dante high Tower, James White, Julian Edelman, Rob Bronkowski,

2441
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 1: like that core carried him. Yeah, Bill never established another core,

2442
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 1: and that's mostly due to poor drafts. But it's due

2443
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:24,880
Speaker 1: to a number of reasons, and that's why they're in

2444
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:27,720
Speaker 1: the situation they're in now. And it's basically, if he

2445
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:31,680
Speaker 1: failed to do that, does he get another shot at

2446
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 1: it here when he's kind of been struggling here for

2447
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: five or six years, or do you say, all right,

2448
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:38,600
Speaker 1: you know that's kind of yeah, he had his chance.

2449
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:41,040
Speaker 1: He didn't do it. The team's now falling off. It's

2450
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:42,600
Speaker 1: time to find somebody else and give a shot.

2451
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 2: All right, Quincy is in Columbus, Ohio. What's up, Quincy.

2452
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:54,840
Speaker 11: So part of the Patriots thing that really gave me

2453
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,480
Speaker 11: are the ones that you know, blame Max for all

2454
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 11: of the issues going on. I think Bill didn't choose

2455
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:03,080
Speaker 11: Mac getting for the roster together and then draft the

2456
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:08,640
Speaker 11: entire draft class for you know, since obviously the past

2457
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 11: forever years. It just doesn't make sense that they blame out.

2458
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 11: But everything that Bill has done are fireable offenses for

2459
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 11: the past four years, like from the draft class, from

2460
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 11: the situation with a mask the offensive coordinator, like all

2461
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:30,880
Speaker 11: those situations. Anyone, any other coach wouldn't survive that. And

2462
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 11: the fact that they're saying that Bill is does another

2463
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 11: shot with another quarterback if are.

2464
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:35,400
Speaker 10: You kidding me?

2465
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 11: I would wouldn't trust anyone less than Bill and my

2466
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:42,560
Speaker 11: apple opinion.

2467
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for good I don't know about

2468
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:48,680
Speaker 1: that last line. There are certainly people I would trust less,

2469
01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:51,080
Speaker 1: But everything leading up to that is kind of the

2470
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:53,360
Speaker 1: point we're trying to make. Yeah, that's a good call.

2471
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just I think some people simplify it to

2472
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,760
Speaker 2: making it just about Mac Jones. You have to look

2473
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 2: at the totality of how this has collapsed to two

2474
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 2: and eight. And that's where I think a lot of

2475
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:11,880
Speaker 2: people that you know, only listen to like national media

2476
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 2: or only listen to certain you know talk shows that

2477
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 2: are just talking about the big the big topics, right

2478
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 2: like you know, the quarterback, the head coach that maybe

2479
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:24,920
Speaker 2: some of the personnel moves, you know, the lack of

2480
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 2: receiver is the lack of you know, uh, star power

2481
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 2: on offense. But this is if you look from at

2482
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 2: their team from top to bottom, they're just not a

2483
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:36,960
Speaker 2: very well coached team. No, besides maybe on defense, but

2484
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 2: even on defense, I still feel like they're holding this

2485
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:40,800
Speaker 2: thing together.

2486
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, defense is weird. Defense is weird because there's so

2487
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:45,640
Speaker 1: many injuries and it's a tough task for the coaches

2488
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 1: that But on offensive special teams, no, they're the things

2489
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 1: that the one metric I really used for coachings penalties. Yeah,

2490
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 1: I think well coached teams generally don't can penalize a lot.

2491
01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:58,600
Speaker 1: They're second in the league in special teams penalties, and

2492
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:00,080
Speaker 1: I forget the exact number, but their top ten and

2493
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 1: league offensive penalties there you go.

2494
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're the numbers I use thirtieth and

2495
01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 2: dvoa on special teams twenty six like that. Coaching. I mean,

2496
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:14,640
Speaker 2: it's just a general thing, all right, all right, if

2497
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:17,560
Speaker 2: you had better coaching, I think that you wouldn't be thirtieth.

2498
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 1: You'd be better.

2499
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:20,240
Speaker 2: It's not just talent. You don't get that long just

2500
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:22,240
Speaker 2: because you're not talented. I mean, there's only so many

2501
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:23,160
Speaker 2: punters and kickers on.

2502
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:25,800
Speaker 1: Well, and they have a good punter maybe I don't

2503
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 1: know about kicker. They have a good punter. No, they

2504
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:28,760
Speaker 1: have a good punter. I'll tell you that they have.

2505
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 2: A good punter. He out kicks his coverage a little.

2506
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 1: Bit, not really a little bit, a little bit.

2507
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna wrap it up, Douce, do you do?

2508
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:40,360
Speaker 2: You stay over there?

2509
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:42,280
Speaker 1: No, he wants to come in and do the punter talking.

2510
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 2: All right, all right, he wants he wants, he wants

2511
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:47,720
Speaker 2: to settle in, you know, get his his little his

2512
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 2: papers ahead, you know, in order and all those things.

2513
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 1: So how we're going to wrap it up here.

2514
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 2: I don't know when we're going to be on the

2515
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:58,080
Speaker 2: air next week, because next Thursday's Thanksgiving. If you didn't know,

2516
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:00,560
Speaker 2: I didn't know that until yesterday. So we'll have to

2517
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:04,440
Speaker 2: figure out when we'll be on wednesd Wednesday, Thursday, somewhere

2518
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 2: around Thursday, Tuesday, Wednesday somewhere around there.

2519
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:10,880
Speaker 1: But it's time of year the schedule gets super weird.

2520
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:12,800
Speaker 1: There's no more routine between now and the end. It's

2521
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 1: a sprint to the finish.

2522
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna just keep sorry, sorry, We're gonna keep filibustering,

2523
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:20,160
Speaker 2: just to anyways.

2524
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:24,120
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2525
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:29,640
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