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Speaker 1: This is the Sean Hannity Show podcast. By the way,

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Speaker 1: my month of punishment being off Twitter is over and

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Speaker 1: I've been on leashing again in my Twitter rents, which

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Speaker 1: a lot of people seem to really enjoy because people,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm like, you know what, I can be

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Speaker 1: rude too. I canna be rude right back. You know,

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Speaker 1: are you a jackass in real life or just on Twitter?

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Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite lines, stuff like that. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: glad you with us. We've got the posters. John and

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Speaker 1: Jim McLaughlan are gonna be on the program. Tell a

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Speaker 1: lot of poll numbers to go over with you today,

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Speaker 1: uh Patrick J. Buchanan. He thinks that Trump has this

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Speaker 1: locked up. Uh Nate Silver. This is pretty interesting. Over

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Speaker 1: at five thirty eight last week, he had Indiana fifty

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Speaker 1: eight percent chance the Cruiz wins it. Today it's nine

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Speaker 1: seven percent chance based on the polls and eighty three

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Speaker 1: percent chance Trump wins it based on polls and his analysis. Boy,

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Speaker 1: he changed pretty quick. Not a lot of poll numbers

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Speaker 1: of that with you. There also seems to be a

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Speaker 1: shift and some of these hypothetical matchups that started last

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Speaker 1: week with the battleground pole that had dead even Hillary

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Speaker 1: pole out today where Trump is actually defeating Hillary forty

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Speaker 1: hypothetical matchups meant a whole lot at this time, but

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Speaker 1: there seems to be a shift where you know, the

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Speaker 1: real clear politics average would be Hillary plus eight against Trump.

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Speaker 1: But now these there seems to be something happening on

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Speaker 1: to continue to watch that really closely. I will say

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Speaker 1: state of Indiana and everything that's gonna we can expect

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Speaker 1: to happen tomorrow. Um, how many times have I said

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Speaker 1: on this program that I believe establishment types would rather

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Speaker 1: see Hillary Clinton win so they can wag their finger

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Speaker 1: in the face of the people and say, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have picked Trump, you shouldn't have picked Ted Cruz. I

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Speaker 1: have said it is absolutely the same for both of them.

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Speaker 1: Both are hated in a huge way by the establishment,

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Speaker 1: and they have tried everything they can do, every step

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Speaker 1: proving that what I've been saying is true. Let me

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Speaker 1: start with George will I gotta tell you this is

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Speaker 1: very disappointing to me. If you think back how many

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Speaker 1: establishment candidates the Republican Party has has jammed down your

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Speaker 1: throat over the years. You know, you can remember Bob

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Speaker 1: Dole is a horrible presidential candidate. He just was not

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Speaker 1: He was the next guy in line, and and look

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Speaker 1: John Mccainney was not a good presidential candidate. I think

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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney, of the three, was much better. Mitt Romney.

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Speaker 1: I'm I am convinced Mitt Romney could have been a

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Speaker 1: Romney got bad advice, especially before the third debate, and

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Speaker 1: turned out to be misinformation on hard part right Candy,

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Speaker 1: hoping these people come around. Now. The polls do have

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Speaker 1: of George Will in many ways. I remember back in

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Speaker 1: the early days when David Brinkley was the host for

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Speaker 1: heard of David. I've heard of David, but you never

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Speaker 1: I was fixated on David. Now you were watching MTV,

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Speaker 1: He'd let Sam Ranton rave and Cokey Randon rave, and

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Speaker 1: be pretty profound. And anyway, I don't know what's happened.

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Speaker 1: George Will hates Donald Trump so much that he's effectively

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Speaker 1: endorsed Hillary Clinton. And I'm not exaggerating. George Will writes,

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Speaker 1: if Rump has nominated, the GOP must keep him out

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Speaker 1: of the White House. Well, what does that mean? That

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Speaker 1: means don't let Trump win. Donald Trump's damage to the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party, although already extensive, has barely begun. He talks

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Speaker 1: the most anti conservative presidential UH candidate, and the party's history.

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Speaker 1: Those that collaborate will render themselves ineligible to participate in

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Speaker 1: the party's reconstruction. So what he's writing here Trump would

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Speaker 1: I don't This is a very unconventional year. If anybody's

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Speaker 1: what the dire gloom and doom that George Will believes

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Speaker 1: So anyway, he says that conservatives, if Trump is nominated,

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Speaker 1: should have two tasks. One would be to help him

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Speaker 1: lose fifty states. Now why would he say to that,

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Speaker 1: Because I'm telling you, the establishment types that are unhappy

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Speaker 1: who are they most angry at? You? The voters, and

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Speaker 1: their great ideas Otherwise this would be a typical presidential

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Speaker 1: doubt that George Will predicted that Donald Trump would get

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Speaker 1: George Will is essentially endorsing Hillary. Bill Crystal is now

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Speaker 1: trying to encourage a third party candidacy to stop Trump

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Speaker 1: in the general election. Well, that's basically trying to do

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Speaker 1: got became a part of that mess. Who could run

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Speaker 1: George Will want the Republicans to lose and are actively

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Speaker 1: you for every Crystal and every George Will out there,

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Speaker 1: there's thousands of establishment types or planning on plotting and

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Speaker 1: why because they want to stick their their finger in

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Speaker 1: that you've decided to make this an insurgency year, and

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Speaker 1: which is so stupid, you know. She would never give

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Speaker 1: not gonna build the wall. And she's not good. She

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Speaker 1: wasn't there for the three am calling Benghazi, and she

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Speaker 1: what what can she site as an accomplishment. That's how

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Speaker 1: absolutely twisted and absolutely skewed. These establishment people are John

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Speaker 1: Baynor calling crews, Lucifer screw you know what, Screw these people.

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Speaker 1: I have no respect for them none. All these years

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Speaker 1: they have forced establishment candidates down your throat, told you

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry. I actually put the best interest of

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal NBC had had cruised down by nineteen UM.

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Speaker 1: Plain Texas. Randy, how are you glad you called? Welcome

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Speaker 1: I'll try to be as brief as possible. UM. I

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Speaker 1: and I have some some some quick questions. UM. Earlier

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Speaker 1: because he said pretty much, they're golfing buddies, they're texting buddies,

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Speaker 1: have been golfing with him for years. I have no

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Speaker 1: idea what the I have no idea what their relationship

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Speaker 1: is except what he said in that interview, right and

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Speaker 1: in the same breath, in the same paragraph, he pretty

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Speaker 1: much said that. And another thing that really kind of

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Speaker 1: concerns me is that we've never talked about how Trump

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Speaker 1: says that, well, you need to really surround yourself with

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Speaker 1: people that are less smart than you are and people

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Speaker 1: that look up to you, because you don't want to

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Speaker 1: be in a room where it looks like people are

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Speaker 1: smarter than you. And um, that's his pretty much philosophy.

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Speaker 1: Another quick thing is that you know, for the for

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Speaker 1: months and months and months and months, I heard you say,

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Speaker 1: what are the three things that Hillary Clinton has done

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Speaker 1: to make life better for Americans? What are the three things?

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Speaker 1: And every time you would have somebody on your show

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Speaker 1: that was a liberal or progressive they would sit there

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Speaker 1: stunned and not be able to really say anything. They

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Speaker 1: wouldn't know how to react to that. And whenever I

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Speaker 1: look at Trump, so whenever you talk about the never

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Speaker 1: Trump people, what I see as I see this Tannin,

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Speaker 1: that's who I see becoming our president. And there's no

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Speaker 1: the man. Well, how about how about this? Did you

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Speaker 1: ever build a building in your life? Did you ever?

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Speaker 1: I used to be in construction. Do you ever build

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Speaker 1: a house or a building? You ever involved in construction? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I built a house and actually have put when whatever

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Speaker 1: my house was being built, I went in there and

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Speaker 1: put let me ask you this question in the house,

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Speaker 1: so so that my family could have frowned town. But

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Speaker 1: you probably hired people to do the electrical or the

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Speaker 1: plumbing or some type of subcontracting. Right. Oh no, not personally.

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Speaker 1: So you you built a house from scratch all by yourself? No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: not personally. I did not personally. Okay, So when you

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Speaker 1: build a house or you build a building, what is

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Speaker 1: the number one benefit right off the top that you

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Speaker 1: can count on because you're willing to risk and invest

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Speaker 1: your money. What do you do you create? I'll help you.

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Speaker 1: What do you do you create, you create? What what

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Speaker 1: do you create? If you're building a building, your billion building? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you're building a building, don't you create thousands and

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Speaker 1: thousands of jobs? Oh yeah, definitely stuff. The people to

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Speaker 1: clean it, the people that install the marble, the people

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Speaker 1: that build the building, the contractors, the construction workers, the

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Speaker 1: people to build the towers, the guys that were work

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Speaker 1: the cranes, the guys that are painters and hang wallpaper,

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Speaker 1: all those people. Right, So you employ people? All right?

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Speaker 1: So start there? What is Hillary Clinton ever done for people?

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, look, I would never vote for either

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Speaker 1: of them. I'd rather fine person that's just that's gone

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Speaker 1: before the Supreme Court helped, I understand. But if that,

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Speaker 1: but if he doesn't win, and he's got a very

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Speaker 1: uphill battle at this point, if he doesn't win, what

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Speaker 1: are you going to do? Then? If he doesn't win,

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't win, what am I going to do? Then?

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Speaker 1: What I'm gonna do is I'm going to continue to

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Speaker 1: pray and not let my heart be troubled and just

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Speaker 1: think to myself, I put me here in this country

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Speaker 1: in a very specific time, and and cry for our

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Speaker 1: country that the choices are what they're what they're going

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Speaker 1: to be. Let me ask you this, if Trump did

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Speaker 1: in the many interviews I had with him, and frankly

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Speaker 1: this goes for Ted Cruz to they both said they'd

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Speaker 1: build build the wall, they both want energy independence, they

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Speaker 1: both want to repeal Obamacare, and they both want to

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Speaker 1: America to build up its military and live within its means.

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Speaker 1: Do you think those five things I mentioned would be

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Speaker 1: enough to vote for either Cruise or Trump over Hillary

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Speaker 1: if I could believe that one of the and it's

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Speaker 1: would actually do that, if I knew for a fact

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Speaker 1: that at least Listen, I can't. I can't guarantee passing.

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Speaker 1: You could come forth and say that the law was

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Speaker 1: written in a way that we Here's my only question. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I can't. I can't vouch for every candidate and what

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Speaker 1: they'll ultimately do. I can't. I can only tell you

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Speaker 1: what they're saying, and what they're saying is very distinctly different,

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Speaker 1: both Trump and crews than what Hillary is saying and doing. Um. Look,

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Speaker 1: I know everybody's so passionate about this. I I can

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Speaker 1: tell you for my take as a never Hillary person.

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Speaker 1: And somebody's going to support the nominee whoever it is

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Speaker 1: that if we have another four years of Obama like policies,

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Speaker 1: which is what Hillary represents. I don't know the path

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Speaker 1: to recovering as a country. I just don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what those You know, one in four families

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Speaker 1: now don't have a single per and in the family

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Speaker 1: that are working, one in four. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much more debt we can place on our kids before

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Speaker 1: it's irreparable damnards damaged by US. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much more damage we can do on foreign policy than

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Speaker 1: what this guy has done. So I don't know. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna have. Everyone's gonna have to make a decision on

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Speaker 1: their own. My decision is never Hillary. My decision is

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Speaker 1: all support the nominee. We have interesting poll numbers out today.

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Speaker 1: Last week, the battle ground pole had Donald Trump tied

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Speaker 1: with Hillary Clinton. Today we've got a rasp musein pole

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Speaker 1: where Trump has to Clintons that had not been happening

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Speaker 1: earlier in the race. As a matter of fact, earlier,

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Speaker 1: the person that did best against excuse me, Hillary in

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Speaker 1: these hypothetical matchups were John Casey and then Ted Cruz second,

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Speaker 1: and then Trump third. So there seems to be a

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Speaker 1: shift going on there. We have a lot of polls

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Speaker 1: out of out of Indiana. Most of them have Trump

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Speaker 1: up by a pretty significant amount, although there is this

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Speaker 1: outlier poll that has cruised up by sixteen so here too.

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Speaker 1: Is it an outlier or is that more accurate? Who knows? Anyway?

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Speaker 1: Here joining us now is Jim and John McLaughlin. If

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Speaker 1: Jim is actually here, because usually doesn't show up. I

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Speaker 1: always show up for you. Are you're doing. You got

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Speaker 1: the thicker New York accents, so I love to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. I know your brother much better than you.

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Speaker 1: Your brother actually is always on time. Your brother always

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Speaker 1: shows up when he's supposed to. He's never missing an

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Speaker 1: action like you, and I just you know, have more

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Speaker 1: faith and confidence in inviting him on the program than you. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: You know that's why the nuns always liked him much

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Speaker 1: better at school. Uh No, the nuns I had never

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Speaker 1: liked me. And the worst part is I had one nun, sister,

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Speaker 1: Agnes Lucille. I'm sure, I'm sure she's long gone, because

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Speaker 1: she was ancient at the time, and she was a

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Speaker 1: math teacher, and she had taught my father when my

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Speaker 1: father was in school, and every day. Oh, your father

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Speaker 1: was a gentleman. Why don't you act Marl your father?

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Speaker 1: Your father was a nice guy. Why don't you think

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Speaker 1: my father every day? Well, we know what it's like

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Speaker 1: to live in the shadow of one's father too. Exactly right, Uh,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's start with this general hypothetical matchup. John

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Speaker 1: will start with you and the rasp music. Paul has

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Speaker 1: Trump over Hillary by three. The battleground had it even

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Speaker 1: and that was not the case. Just going back a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, what's happened in these hypothetical matchups.

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Speaker 1: I think he's I think Trumps has has focused his

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Speaker 1: message on more about what people care about. He's gotten

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Speaker 1: away from the personal attacks on people. And even though

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Speaker 1: he's still very entertaining and the rallies, the word I

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Speaker 1: have I mean, as I told her before, I do

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Speaker 1: work for Senator David Long out in Fort Wayne, and

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Speaker 1: he's the majority leader and the president of the Senate

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Speaker 1: out there, and they're telling me there's getting ten twelve

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Speaker 1: people at every rally. So's he's still got huge interest.

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Speaker 1: So the crowds do represent something. Look, because there is

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Speaker 1: no doubt his crowd side crowd size is by fall

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Speaker 1: are the largest in the field. So you think it

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Speaker 1: means something right, because what it really means is like

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Speaker 1: an Air National survey last month, we had fifty seven

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Speaker 1: percent of all Americans want to move away from the

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Speaker 1: policies of Barack Obama. Only thirty want to continue it.

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Speaker 1: So what's happening is he's focused the the idea of

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Speaker 1: Hillary's third term. Uh is gonna I mean Hillary is

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Speaker 1: going to be Barack Obama's third term. He's focused on that,

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Speaker 1: and he's his foreign policy speech that he made. He

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Speaker 1: really was very critical of President Obama and even President

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Speaker 1: Obama at the correspondence. Then when he attacks Trump, he's

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Speaker 1: helping Trump. And and in the last week, when you

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Speaker 1: think of what's happened, is yet Kasi. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think the Cruise and Casey people understood it. When

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Speaker 1: Casey said he's not going to play in Indiana, those

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Speaker 1: voters weren't going to go straight to Cruz and the

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Speaker 1: Carby for you arena endorsement. She doesn't bring any delegates.

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Speaker 1: And you've had these California protests that I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: the average American looks at those things and says, you know,

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Speaker 1: violence set up plitical rally against Trump. You know, they

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Speaker 1: get man and they start rallying to him. And he's

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Speaker 1: had these ug rallies in Indiana. And I think Trump

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Speaker 1: has had a good past couple of weeks and a

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Speaker 1: good times. Whatever he learned out of Wisconsin, he's learned well.

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Speaker 1: He's focusing his message. And the thing about Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: is every vote where they disapprove of Barack Obama or

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Speaker 1: they want to go in a different direction, is a

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Speaker 1: vote where it's available to Trump that if he can

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Speaker 1: get down his negatives, he will be able to take

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Speaker 1: advantage of that. And uh, what is your prediction then

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Speaker 1: for Indiana to marrow? Let me run through some of

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Speaker 1: these polls. Real Clear Politics Average has Trump plus uh

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Speaker 1: seven point eight. You have the NBC polled that was

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Speaker 1: Trump plus fifteen um. And this isn't even included. They

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Speaker 1: don't include the Investor Business Daily poll that had him

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Speaker 1: up by nineteen. A. R G has him plus nine.

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Speaker 1: Cloud Research has him plus two. I don't know them

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Speaker 1: very well. CBS News you Gov has Trump plus five,

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Speaker 1: Fox News plus eight. Um. Then you have this I

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Speaker 1: p f W Down Center Paul Cruise plus sixteen. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of is it an outlier or is

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Speaker 1: it maybe an indication that has not been picked up

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Speaker 1: by other posters. No, it's been trending towards Trump. And

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Speaker 1: you have you have the NBC Maris pole, which is

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Speaker 1: a good pole that they had put plus fifteen and

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Speaker 1: and case it going down. And then there's a Gravis

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Speaker 1: poll out today that is three and seventy nine likely

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Speaker 1: Republican priory on the high end for Trump. But it

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Speaker 1: shows that it looks like kask withdrawing from Indiana has

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Speaker 1: actually helped Trump more than it's help Cruise, and it

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Speaker 1: looks like Trump has momentum going into it into that.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because a lot of times

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Speaker 1: I've been watching these people all throughout this process. I'm

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Speaker 1: watching people on TV and how they literally say, well,

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Speaker 1: if so and so gets out, well, if you add

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Speaker 1: so and So's numbers out, they'll all go to so

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Speaker 1: and so. And it's never ever worked out that way.

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Speaker 1: I've had you on the program discussing this insanity. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was watching somebody was talking about, well, here's Trump's

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Speaker 1: in the number of delegates, Trump one, and here's the

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Speaker 1: number of delegates the other seventeen guys of one and

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Speaker 1: as you can see, is more people that don't want

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Speaker 1: Trump than do want Trump. And I'm thinking, well, that's

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Speaker 1: sixteen people against one, right and not to mention two

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Speaker 1: in the UH. In the NBC Maris Paul, fifty percent

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Speaker 1: said they disapproved of the alliance between Kasick and Cruise.

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Speaker 1: And you're you're exactly right. I mean, these these voters

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Speaker 1: are not monolithic. They don't all of a sudden one

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Speaker 1: getting out, oh they're all going to vote against Trump.

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Speaker 1: Trump is actually, you know, splitting the various votes between

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Speaker 1: Kasik and between Cruise, and again you're seeing that in

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Speaker 1: these surveys right now and the pulse, the pulse we

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Speaker 1: did for CeNAT Along. He's a good conservative, he's a

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Speaker 1: Republican in Indiana and for his majority that we've done

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Speaker 1: around the state. What I don't think they realized was

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Speaker 1: the Kasi voters were moderates. The Cruise voters were the very,

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Speaker 1: very social issue conservatives, and Trump was in the middle.

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Speaker 1: But between the two of them and then somewhat conservative Land.

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Speaker 1: So when Kasey says, I'm not playing here ideologically on

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Speaker 1: the issues, Kasy voters who want to vote to count,

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Speaker 1: we're more likely to go to Trump than they want

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Speaker 1: to Cruise. So so the people that say, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: all anti Trump, they didn't understan they didn't look at

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Speaker 1: the polls, and every state's different, and they just haven't,

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Speaker 1: you know, they haven't looked at the polls. Ye, and

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Speaker 1: not only that, showing a really interesting point about the

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Speaker 1: exit polls in Pennsylvania and the Republican primary voters in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: they're very conservatives. There's some similarities with Indiana. Se were

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Speaker 1: self described conservatives that voted in the Pennsylvania poll. And

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Speaker 1: the number that would scare me the most if I

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Speaker 1: was Ted Cruz is he lost by thirty points among

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Speaker 1: self described conservatives to Trump in Pennsylvania, and Trump beat

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Speaker 1: him by twenty five points among evangelicals in Pennsylvania. That's

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Speaker 1: a real problem. And that's what that tells you is

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Speaker 1: that conservative Christian base that was supposed to be Ted Cruizes,

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Speaker 1: which quite honestly he got and that was the reason

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Speaker 1: why he won a place like uh, why he won Iowa.

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Speaker 1: He's not getting that right now and Trump is actually

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Speaker 1: doing better among conservatives and evangelicals than uh, than Ted Cruises.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the reaction is gonna be after

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Speaker 1: tomorrow is either then the presumptive nominee does do you

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Speaker 1: see a case of scenario where where John Kasy and

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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz decide, Okay, maybe it's time to get out.

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Speaker 1: I don't see that. No, they said they're both going through.

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Speaker 1: And but Trump he's got almost a thousand delegates right

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Speaker 1: now he's got and Cruise only has five sixty five.

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Speaker 1: And if he won every delegate in Indiana, my math

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Speaker 1: would have him at about yeah. Sure, yeah, well there's

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Speaker 1: a path. There's a path. I think there's fifty seven

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Speaker 1: delegates in Indiana and uh, it's a winner take most.

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Speaker 1: So so if Trump has this double digit win there,

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Speaker 1: he's going to get those fifty seven delegates. So that

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Speaker 1: puts him over a thousand. And he's with California and

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Speaker 1: he's like a thousand fifty. Yeah, and he had got

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Speaker 1: a path to he's got a pit to win it

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Speaker 1: on a first ballot, so um, you know, it makes

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Speaker 1: it really hard for for Case again Cruise to be able.

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Speaker 1: Do you think even at that time, is if he

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Speaker 1: gets to the magic number at that point that people

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Speaker 1: get out or did they start trying to flip delegates

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes like we saw in Arizona this weekend,

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Speaker 1: and and aren't most of the delegates anywhere. They're still

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Speaker 1: bound on the first vote, right, they're bound. But you

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Speaker 1: get some insiders saying, oh, may not mean that or

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Speaker 1: something like that, because and cruises still win in the

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Speaker 1: delegate selections like you saw in Arizona this weekend. A

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Speaker 1: second ballot, you know, hell go up. But it looks

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Speaker 1: like there won't be a second ballot if Trump keeps

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Speaker 1: doing what he's doing. And it wasn't just an Arizona

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Speaker 1: was also in Virginian Missouri. I think when you looked

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Speaker 1: at the three states Arizona, Virginia, Missouri, Cruise actually on

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Speaker 1: Saturday got sixty eight out of the ninety two delegates.

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Speaker 1: But with all that being said, if I think one,

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Speaker 1: when Trump gets over a thousand, which he probably will

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Speaker 1: after Indiana, I think there's gonna be a real psychological

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Speaker 1: effect on that. And he has to win. He only

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Speaker 1: has to win a less than half the delegates between

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Speaker 1: now and he's at that point now where I think

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Speaker 1: it's you know, if you look at bound unbound remaining delegates,

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Speaker 1: he's at and and John and I neither were obviously not.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a you know, we don't have a

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Speaker 1: dog in this fight right now. But would that being said,

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Speaker 1: if I was Donald Trump, I would really pivot into

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Speaker 1: and start focusing my messaging against Hillary Clinton. I would

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Speaker 1: basically declare myself the winner. I would keep my focus

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Speaker 1: on her talk and start talking about the issues that

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Speaker 1: really matter to folks, like national security, the economy, taxes, immigration, Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to that pivot point, let me go back.

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Speaker 1: I say, last week, Nate Silver and I'm not the

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Speaker 1: biggest fan of five thirty eight, but I do check

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Speaker 1: it out like I check out everything else. Last week

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Speaker 1: he had Ted Cruz the likelihood of him winning Indiana

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Speaker 1: at fifty eight percent. Now their forecast is if you

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Speaker 1: use the polls only, it's Trump. If it's the polls

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Speaker 1: plus their forecast, it's still eighty three to seventeen percent.

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Speaker 1: The Trump will in it. What changed in a week's time,

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Speaker 1: I think it was, quite honestly, looking at they look

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Speaker 1: at the media polls and he kind of does an

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Speaker 1: average of that. That one poll that you were siting

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Speaker 1: before that was done by the one college I think

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Speaker 1: it was, you know, University Indiana perduing Fort Wayne. That

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Speaker 1: was the outlier there, and I think he was factoring

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Speaker 1: more of that in there. But the interesting part about

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Speaker 1: that poll was, you know that was done over two

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Speaker 1: weeks time. It was they started that poll a week

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Speaker 1: before they even started voting in uh, you know, in

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Speaker 1: all the primaries last week. So well, then let me

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Speaker 1: ask this. All these people that say they're never Trump,

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Speaker 1: never Trump, and we saw the poll that came out

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Speaker 1: last week that suggested that it's gonna be if it's

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Speaker 1: Hillary and Trump, there would be a high percentage of

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Speaker 1: people in both parties that either stay home or want

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Speaker 1: to go third party. And you have about ten Democrats

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Speaker 1: switching to Republican, tempercent Republican switching to Hillary. Do you

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Speaker 1: think in the end it works out that way? Or

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Speaker 1: is this at are we asking the question at the

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Speaker 1: wrong time when people are most emotional about things. It's

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Speaker 1: going to change? I mean, when you look at it,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the last time we asked the National Survey,

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Speaker 1: Trump had a sixty five unfarewell, Hillary had a fifty seven.

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Speaker 1: Weren't farebell to both? They aren't farebll to vote both.

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Speaker 1: They voted for Trump thirty nine to thirty five. But

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Speaker 1: the but it's going to change it's like those of

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Speaker 1: us who were older like shown you and Jim are

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Speaker 1: younger than me. We remember Reagan had I voted in

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Speaker 1: eight for the first time smarty pants, So well, I

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Speaker 1: beat you to it, Reagan. But that's that's see, that's

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Speaker 1: why you are fat and older than fatter and older

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Speaker 1: than I am. But it's like um, But in eighty

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Speaker 1: Reagan wasn't ahead until he met him in a debate

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Speaker 1: and said, there you go again. In the country. Just

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Speaker 1: shut the lights out on Jimmy Carter because of Iran,

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Speaker 1: the economy, everything was bad. And and the hidden number

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Speaker 1: in this poll and and the polls that are coming up,

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Speaker 1: is whether you disapproved the job Obama is doing or not.

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Speaker 1: And alright, so last final question I've set up to

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Speaker 1: this point, hypotheticals don't mean a whole lot. They see

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Speaker 1: there seems to be some movement in that area. If

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Speaker 1: it's Hillary and Trump, assuming these polls in Indiana turn

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Speaker 1: out being right, who's gonna win that race? I think

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Speaker 1: Trump can win it. They I think Trump can win

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Speaker 1: And I didn't ask you who can win it, but

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Speaker 1: either one of them can win it. Who's gonna win it?

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Speaker 1: He should win it because his numbers are easier to

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Speaker 1: change than hers. We've known her a long time and

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Speaker 1: she has high negatives that are are in trench. That

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Speaker 1: she has this big negative that you think she's not

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Speaker 1: telling the truth. Trump can actually undo his negatives. And

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Speaker 1: that's going to be the challenge for the Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: because the very folks that Obama one with, you know, millennials,

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Speaker 1: young people, uh, Latinos. That's where Donald Trump and all

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Speaker 1: reality in all honesty right now has some of his

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Speaker 1: biggest negatives. But they are also not overly enthusiastic about

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. That's gonna be his challenge. He's gonna need

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Speaker 1: to figure out a way to go in and get

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Speaker 1: more Latino voters. He can't get less than you know,

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Speaker 1: he can't do it, uh Mitt Romney did where he

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Speaker 1: only got sent of Latinos. He wants to get up

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Speaker 1: to around and that's that's what he's gonna happen. Well,

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Speaker 1: this head to head matchup, Hillary Clinton was down twenty

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Speaker 1: some percent among Black Americans versus where Obama was. Is

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Speaker 1: she going to get the black vote out? I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's trying to play the race card today. She might Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she might actually lose in Indiana to Bernie. So it's

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Speaker 1: a close race. The polls that we didn't know about,

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Speaker 1: she was only up four points. Yeah, she's the nominee,

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Speaker 1: though she has all the super delegates. I mean that

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Speaker 1: that that whole process on the Democratic side is just rigged.

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Speaker 1: She's it, alright, guys. The only question is whether she'll

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Speaker 1: be indicted either as president or as candidate one or

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Speaker 1: the other. That could always happen. Well, that's not as president.

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Speaker 1: After the new president gets it, and that's that. But

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Speaker 1: that goes back to your previous question about Ken Trump win. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he can't. He's got to get it more focused on issues,

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Speaker 1: but you're also going to see things like Benghazi. I

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Speaker 1: think he's going to be a real thorn in her

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Speaker 1: side in the in the president and intial raised because

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Speaker 1: I think she's gonna have real problems with not just

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Speaker 1: the Republicans on Benghazi. I think she's gonna have problems

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Speaker 1: with family members who unfortunately we're killed in Benghazi. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a tough issue and I think

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Speaker 1: it makes a really vulnerable in the general. Alright, guys,

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Speaker 1: Thank you both, John Jim, who's always late, McLaughlin, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. For being with us to start. Yeah, shocking, amazing.

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Speaker 1: One time doesn't make you on time, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: For example, we've got the bright new face of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party here tonight, Mr Bernie Sanders. Bernie, you look

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Speaker 1: like a million bucks, or to put it in terms

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Speaker 1: you'll understand, you look like thirty seven thousand donations of

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Speaker 1: twenty seven dollars each year. I am hurt, though, Bernie,

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Speaker 1: you've been distancing yourself a little from me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just not something that you do to your comrade. Alright,

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Speaker 1: twenty five now till the top of the hour, eight

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Speaker 1: nine for one, Shawn, you want to be a part

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Speaker 1: of the program. That was from the White House Correspondence Dinner.

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Speaker 1: I did watch it. And what's the guy's named Larry Whitmore.

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Speaker 1: I've never watched his show before. Um do you think

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Speaker 1: I think of his humor? So called humor was about race?

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Speaker 1: Got a little monotonous, very fast anyway, joining us, Patrick J. Buchanan, sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you fine? That was a funny line the

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Speaker 1: President had about comrade. That doesn't the comrade Bernie Comrade Obama.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the two p's in a pod. Everybody forgets

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Speaker 1: the Frank Marshall Davis, the o Lynskey, the Acorn influence,

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Speaker 1: the Reverend Right influence, the Bernardine Dorn and Bill Ayre's influence.

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Speaker 1: I never forgot it, Pat Well, I will say, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the president's about done now, but I will say, he

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Speaker 1: gets up there at the at those dinners. Uh, he's

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Speaker 1: got not only does he have outstanding writers, he's probably

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Speaker 1: a good writer himself. But it was very, very funny,

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Speaker 1: and he delivers his lines very well. Sean, and I

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Speaker 1: have to say, I mean everything he said. It's like

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Speaker 1: the Gridiron dinner where they singe but they don't burn.

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Speaker 1: But that other fellow up there, I thought it was

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Speaker 1: very potty mouse, and I thought it was potty mouth.

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Speaker 1: You're really showing your age here, Pat potty mouth, geez

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Speaker 1: it was. It was. Let me say this, Uh, I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised that no one walked out of there. I mean

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Speaker 1: I I watched the whole thing, and I couldn't believe

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Speaker 1: was look everybody's fair game for having fun at their expense.

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Speaker 1: But I thought a lot of it was crude, A

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Speaker 1: lot of it was heavy on the race card stuff

849
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: a lot and it was a potty mouse, you know, Um,

850
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of this fact, and I doubt you

851
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: know this about me. So I'm now in my twentieth

852
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: year on the Fox News Channel. I'm not sure if

853
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: you're aware of that. And I've never been to a

854
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: White House correspondence dinner, and I'm very proud having never gone. Well,

855
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: I will say that I started going back in uh

856
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: I guess in the first in the early Nixon years,

857
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: very early Nixon years, and I went into it a

858
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: number of them, and I think one of the last

859
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: ones I was there was when I was running against

860
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush and when he got up and

861
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: said that Pat yu Cannon's had the best line of

862
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: the campaign in Michigan where he said it Ben I'm

863
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: Mercedes owner. Wow. Wow, Okay, you remember everything, Patti can

864
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: see I could see Pat's taking that one to the

865
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: grave one day. Uh well, anyway, let's go to the campaign.

866
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 1: Indiana is tomorrow. You're looking at the polls. I'm looking

867
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 1: at the polls. All have Trump ahead anywhere between two

868
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: and nineteen, except for one that has Cruise up by sixteen.

869
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: And we just had Jim and John McLaughlin and they

870
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: believe it's an outlier you have written a column recently.

871
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: The headline was only an act of God can stop

872
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: Trump now? But that's from the nomination. Can he win

873
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: the next Do you think the nominating process is over?

874
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: I think, as I said, barring celestial intervention, Trump is

875
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: going to be the nominee of the Republican Party. I

876
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: think he's going to win Indiana, and I think he's

877
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: going to win California, and I think he's going to

878
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: win New Jersey. And I don't think they can take

879
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: it away from him. And I do believe that if

880
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: he has nominated, he has a chance of being elected

881
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: the next president of the United States. And the reason

882
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: I say that is that Trump has a someone put

883
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: it this morning, a non traditional appeal. He has an

884
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: appeal on these, if you will, the issues of the

885
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: trade issue, the immigration issue, they stay out of foreign

886
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: wars issue, the populism, the nationalism the Republicans don't normally have,

887
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: and that that have real appeal in states like Michigan

888
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: and uh in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and some of the

889
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: others that we've lost for six straight time. Sean, And

890
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: there's something else. Let me say this, Trump, whatever you

891
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: say about it, is a very arresting, interesting, exciting race.

892
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: People are talking about it. Did you hear what he

893
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: said to day? Are they going to come back on this?

894
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: Is this? Everybody is following this like an NFL season,

895
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: And whereas on the other side, I mean, nobody is

896
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: excited about what whether you're four Hillary or not, nobody

897
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: is excited about what she represents or offers the nation.

898
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: If you look at the just the voting numbers, Trump

899
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: is on a path to get more votes than any

900
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: GOP candidate in the history of the GOP primaries, and

901
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: Hillary is down anywhere from twenty to six and every

902
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: state that has voted so far, and not only that,

903
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: Trump is winning now by fifty and six, when Republican

904
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: turnout has been greater than any series of primaries and

905
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: caucuses in history. People are tremendously interested in some of

906
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: them coming to vote against Trump, obviously, but tremendous numbers

907
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: of non participants in politics, and not usual non voters

908
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: are coming out in primaries because he has really excited

909
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: the nation. And I think I think one of the

910
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: main two of the main reasons are obviously the border

911
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: securing that, but these lost jobs, lost factories, lost income,

912
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: the fact that the middle class is drifting down and

913
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: the well to do seem to be doing extremely well.

914
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: So I think all these issues really raise the potential

915
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: that you can hear in Democratic voices when they're saying, look,

916
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: don't take this thing for granted. This is not going

917
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: to be a walkover. I mean, we may win this thing,

918
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: and we may win a big but I think they

919
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: fear they could lose it. I think I know they

920
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: fear they can lose it. I absolutely positively know, beyond

921
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: any shadow of a doubt that they fear that. Um,

922
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: what do you think about the Look, it's been very

923
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: intense between especially between Senator Cruz and Donald Trump, and

924
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: you've got a never cruise movement, You've got a never

925
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: Trump movement, which is bigger than the never Cruise movement.

926
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: Do you think if, in fact, what you're predicting happens

927
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: and he becomes the nominee, do you think he's going

928
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: to be able to win over those cruise supporters And

929
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: how would you recommend he do it? I think you

930
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: will obviously if you win and the other fellow drops

931
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: out or concedes, which I think Cruz will not do

932
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: until after California. I think case, it might leave after Indiana.

933
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: I think that that that Trump makes the call to him.

934
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: But in the last analysis, Sean, I think what's going

935
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: to bring Cruise around is there's a possibility that Trump

936
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Speaker 1: loses in uh if he if he's a nominee in November,

937
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: and if he does, if Cruz has not come around

938
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: and has not endorsed him, his fate will be that

939
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: of the Rockefeller Romney Scranton crowd who walked away from

940
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: Barry Gold in sixty four when Nixon and Reagan were

941
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: out there fighting their hearts out and going down to

942
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: defeat with Barry and Nixon and Reagan got the presidency

943
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: twice each of them, and those fellows were never heard

944
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: from again. Well, I I keep reading these predictions. I mean,

945
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if the analogy fits. I mean, there

946
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: are some people who's got to endorse Trump. You have

947
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: to endorse the candidate or the next time you run.

948
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean there are a lot of people said, look,

949
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: maybe we didn't like Dropp or we did like him,

950
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: and you walked away from us when we needed you,

951
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: and now we're not coming with you. I mean, I've

952
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: been saying Cruise yea no matter how bitter he is,

953
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: I would tell him that at that convention, at some

954
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: point he's got to endorse. You know, Jane McCarthy and

955
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party held up endorsing Humphrey in sixty eight

956
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: until the final days, and he never went anywhere. Again.

957
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: Let me ask this, because I I think this is

958
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: really important. Don't you think there's got to be a

959
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: way that that as unconventional as Trump has been, Don't

960
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: you think there's a way to bring Ted Cruz into

961
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: any type of position that would would satisfy, like, for example,

962
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna name a list. Again, I'm only going on

963
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: your assumption that you think Trump has this wrapped up

964
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: and quote only an act of God stops him. So

965
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: if you're right, what if he said in his Judicial

966
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: Philosophy speech, which apparently is coming up soon, that you

967
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: know Ted Cruz would be my top pick for the

968
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: Supreme Court? Would that be nuts? I would not that

969
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: would make that an issue of the campaign, And you know,

970
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you would want to shift and make

971
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: that an issue in the case he said he's gonna

972
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: name names. He said he's going to give a list,

973
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: and only from that list will he choose a Supreme

974
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: Court nomination. So he's gonna be naming names, so it's

975
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna be not gonna I would uh, I would not

976
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: say I would name Cruise. I would, you know, I

977
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: do think that, you say, look, Ted Cruz, who is

978
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: you know whose whose nose is Supreme Court and Supreme

979
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: Court issues and has written on him and spoken on

980
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: him as well as any others. Is is someone a

981
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: lot of you know, people will take a look at.

982
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: I would say that, but I would not go so

983
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: far as to say I'm going to name Ted Cruise

984
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. I will say, did you hear

985
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: Biden's line? Biden says Obama to the point Cruise to

986
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, because pretty soon he would have hate bacon.

987
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: They sees alright, alright, easy, sunshine, what do you I

988
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: don't I mean, here's the thing I mean, in my view,

989
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: I mean probably I don't mean to drug for a

990
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: lot of senators might support Cruise up there himself, for

991
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: given what you hear about hypopts. But let me spe

992
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: serious Ted Cruise. Clearly. I mean, he's outstanding well in

993
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: his academic career. He's he's outstanding in terms of his discussions.

994
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: These issues. He's been a clerk on the Supreme Court.

995
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's worked, he's argued nine times before the

996
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: clearly qualified and he is clearly of the precise mindset

997
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: or with regard to judicial items that you want on

998
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. But I would hesitate to name specifically

999
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to appoint him. Yeah, No, Well he might

1000
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: be part of the list of twelve or thirteen people

1001
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: that he lays out who would be a good VP.

1002
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: Who for anybody? Who would you? And I want you

1003
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: to think out of the box a little bit here?

1004
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Who do you think? And I'm just assuming for a minute,

1005
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: based on Casey's actions that Kasy doesn't want it. Um

1006
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: Who would be a good VP for either one of them? Well,

1007
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: I think you need the you know, I would start

1008
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: to start down the road and in which I would

1009
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: take first. You know, there there is an advantage to

1010
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: having someone who has real I mean, who would really

1011
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: reassure the party base and the establishment and the rest

1012
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: of them, uh, you know, and can deal with those

1013
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: folks frankly like a Cheney for Bush. Okay, when when

1014
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: when w came up to d z um and And

1015
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: that's one consideration. The second is you've got to win

1016
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: this thing, Sean, and I would be looking closely at

1017
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: someone who could strengthen me in the real battleground states,

1018
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: which are hopefully not I mean trumpas if he's a nominee,

1019
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: will take Texas himself. He has to, But I would

1020
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: look for people that could who had real credentials and

1021
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: might be able to bring a state out of the

1022
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: Democratic path. Although to the person that would come to

1023
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: mind the most, if that's your thinking, it would be

1024
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: John Kasick. If John Kasis Ohio. And you gotta presume

1025
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: you you can win your Ohio yourself. So are you

1026
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: looking at what are you looking at? Maybe Scott Walker

1027
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin? Well, you know, but he didn't mean then

1028
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: I have to take a real look at why he

1029
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: he slipped and fell just coming out of the gate.

1030
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: You know, he certainly knows how to win that state though,

1031
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: how to win the state, but does he he doesn't

1032
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: know how to win on the presidential field. I mean

1033
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: he's shown that. I'm a very high I thought he

1034
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: did a great job. And you know, with what do

1035
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: you think of unions? Again and again and again? What

1036
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: have you brought out of you know, some of the

1037
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: old days what if you brought back people like New

1038
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: King Rich and Rudy Giuliani. Well, that's very that's interesting.

1039
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: What do you think about New King Ridges. I don't know.

1040
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 1: I think Nut's got a lot of Uh, I don't

1041
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: know what who Nut brings you that you don't already have.

1042
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: Well with New King Rich, ree a short Conservatives. I mean, look,

1043
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: he's the last guy that balance the budget. He's the

1044
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: guy they got welfare reform done. Probably the most consequential

1045
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: speaker in in our lifetime by far. My guess is

1046
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: my guess is that Trump may would obviously put him

1047
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: on the list. But you're mentioning when you mentioned Rudy

1048
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: for example, on him for attorney general that on the

1049
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: social issues, and a lot of cons are going to

1050
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: be very about how about attorney general to prosecute Hillary? Well, listen,

1051
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: they got a lot of They got a lot of

1052
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: guys to attorney general. Well, go back to the new

1053
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: for a second. What you got, Chris Christie want to

1054
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: look to be ahead of ourselves in terms of winning

1055
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: this thing, John, I could always dream I'll pick in

1056
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: the cabidt. Listen, I'm I'm I'm listen. I'm just going

1057
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: down that road. You're the one that has the column.

1058
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: Only an act of God can stop Trump. So somebody

1059
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: as I think it's as they said of of Calvin Cooley,

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Speaker 1: somebody said his career showed definite signs of celestial intervention.

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Speaker 1: You know, all right, Well, I don't underestimate Hillary. Just

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Speaker 1: to backtrack here a second, I really don't. I think

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Speaker 1: she starts out. I think she's capable, and she's tough,

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Speaker 1: and she'll be She's a horrible candidate the heart's a

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Speaker 1: terrible candidate on the stump, but she is not bad

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Speaker 1: in debates, and she has held her own against She

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Speaker 1: held her own in two thousand eight, and frankly she

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Speaker 1: was I think she was much better candidate in two

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Speaker 1: thousand eight when she came back from those twelve defeats.

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Speaker 1: I was immensely impressed with her. I mean, as a

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Speaker 1: candidate came back one Pennsylvanian and one Kentucky at one

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Speaker 1: Virginian was I think win in Ohio. And Obama's lucky.

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Speaker 1: He had a better ground game, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: But she doesn't have her husband's in a personal skills.

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Speaker 1: But she doesn't have the skills on the on the

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Speaker 1: podium that Obama has Obama or Bill Clinton had. I

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Speaker 1: mean Bill Clinton. Remember the debate with George H. W. Bush.

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Speaker 1: He moves away from the podium and he's over there

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Speaker 1: chatting away. He's a he was really a sixties guy,

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Speaker 1: as the sixties generations, the baby I care of. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I want to take care of. Hold this. I promise you.

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Speaker 1: Thinks I haven't been going good, and listen. If you

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Speaker 1: want a tour, sweetheart, after this, I'll take you backstage.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta go. Patrick J. Buccounting, God bless you,

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Speaker 1: my friend. You take it easy, my friend. By the

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00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: bosses are trying to run it. You know, it's a

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Speaker 1: ridge party. It's a whole rigged situation. The bosses like

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Speaker 1: an Arizona the busses. I win Arizona in a landslide.

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Speaker 1: I beat Cruce so badly, it's a most ridiculous. And

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Speaker 1: then the bosses have delegates, have a delicate, a crooked

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Speaker 1: delegate system where they go in and they try and

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Speaker 1: get delegates so they can play games. But I tell

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00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: you what, the voters wouldn't stand for it. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you win by millions of votes, and that's what

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00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: I've been saying it's a rich system. The bosses want

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Speaker 1: to pick whoever they want to pick, the purpose of

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00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: going through the primaries. Take you're coming out. I appreciate

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00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: your coming out and standing up. And I think this

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Speaker 1: entire process. I think anyone that wants to be president

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Speaker 1: knows that to the people of this state that come

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Speaker 1: in front of and ask for your support. And I'm

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Speaker 1: running to be everyone's president. Those who vote for me,

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Speaker 1: even though we don't want you, well, you're You're entitled

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00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: to your view, sir, and I will respect it. In fact,

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Speaker 1: how the math I will ask to drop out at

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00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: your turn. Well, take your own word. Now, I'm curious, sir.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop out when Donald doesn't get was definitely

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Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna get more than sex. Let me ask

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Speaker 1: you something, sir, What what do you like about Donald? Everything?

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Speaker 1: Give me one everything, give me want anything? Any up

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00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: the wall? Okay, the wall, that's the main thing. All right,

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Speaker 1: great heads building the war. Hold on you know on

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Speaker 1: the wall that Donald told of the New York Times

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Speaker 1: editorial hordes skin line dead, Well, sir, down, Civilized people

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Speaker 1: don't just screaming yell at each other. I'm not yelling

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Speaker 1: at the New York Times recorded the whole thing. That's

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Speaker 1: the man. Things are getting heated on the campaign trail.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. News round up, information overload

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Speaker 1: our the Shawn Hannity Show eight hundred nine for one. Shawn,

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Speaker 1: if you want to be a part of the program,

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Speaker 1: we welcome back to the program. D C. McAlister Senior

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Speaker 1: contributed to The Federalist and a Ted Cruise supporter. Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Gilham is a serious radio host, former Navy seal Trump supporter.

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Speaker 1: Welcome both of you back to the show. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: d d C. How important for the for the cruise

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Speaker 1: campaign is Indiana? Indiana is very important, but it's not

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Speaker 1: the end of the road. Okay. So in other words,

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't win, you don't think that's a big setback.

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Speaker 1: It's a big setback, but it's not the end. The

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Speaker 1: end is when Donald Trump gets twelve thirty seven. So

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Speaker 1: in other words, the race is going to go on

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Speaker 1: another You're going to go through June seven or until

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Speaker 1: that date. When Donald Trump gets to twelve thirty seven, Well,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you. I mean, I'm just I'm asking me,

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Speaker 1: are you the nominee when you have no, you're the

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Speaker 1: nominee when you have twelve thirty seven. So the race

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Speaker 1: isn't over until someone gets twell three seven. There's certain

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Speaker 1: things that we can look at. For example, if you

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Speaker 1: look at polls in California, latest pollos, Trump up by

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Speaker 1: twenty seven. He is up in the state of Oregon.

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Speaker 1: And I saw some some numbers out of Nebraska that

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Speaker 1: that he was doing. I think it was up in

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Speaker 1: that state as well. So my only question is this,

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Speaker 1: I don't care if anyone stays in as long as

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01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: they want to stay in. I think it's up to

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Speaker 1: the campaigns to make that decision. But how do we

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Speaker 1: unify the party at the end of this process. Well,

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01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: like I said, whoever gets all three seven first, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, is the winner. So we agree on that, um,

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Speaker 1: we unify. I think we unify around never Hillary, and

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01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: that needs to be the message going forward, no matter

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01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: who the nominee is, and we need to focus on

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01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: her defeat her. To be vicious about it, be bold,

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Speaker 1: be outspoken, and be fearless. And I think we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen that in past election. Seawan. I think we've been

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01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: too timid and going after the Democrat. You know what,

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Speaker 1: I've been saying this on Twitter as I've been fighting

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Speaker 1: people this whole over the weekend and Friday and Saturday.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly, I've been saying the same thing

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Speaker 1: everyone says. I said I from the beginning, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to support the nominee, and I'm with you. Never never Hillary,

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Speaker 1: because if that happens, it's the third term of Obama.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Jonathan, Well, first off, I want

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Speaker 1: to know if that was J. J. Walker screaming in

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Speaker 1: the background in that sound bite. Um, I know, my

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Speaker 1: but you know I listen. I agree. First off, I

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Speaker 1: don't really subscribe to the Republican Party the way it

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Speaker 1: stands right now. I'm a conservative, but I have a

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Speaker 1: real problem with the way this whole game is being played.

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Speaker 1: And I think we all agree that there's an issue

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Speaker 1: with the way that these delegates are being uh No,

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. Well, I agree, I'm the

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Speaker 1: United States agrees with it. There's a big problem with

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Speaker 1: the way that the game is being played for the

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Speaker 1: presidency of the United States. When you're saying that if

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Speaker 1: he comes in with twelve hundred and he's missing thirty

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Speaker 1: seven delegates, that you're gonna have a unified Republican Party

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Speaker 1: if it goes to a contested convention over thirty seven

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Speaker 1: votes and then all of a sudden, Ted Cruz comes

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Speaker 1: out victor. You think that is gonna unify conservatives, because

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Speaker 1: here's the real deal. You're not just talking about unifying

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party. You're talking about unifying conservatives. And so far,

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Speaker 1: this Ted Cruise guy, who says he's a constitutionalist, has

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Speaker 1: done nothing to show the people that he's for the

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Speaker 1: people and by the people in this nomination process. Well,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. Do you think Abraham

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Speaker 1: Lincoln should never have been president? That's just a ridiculous

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Speaker 1: thing because it was completely different back then. The people

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Speaker 1: were not educated like they are now. And I don't

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Speaker 1: agree with contested conventions. I agree with the constant tuition,

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Speaker 1: which you think that Ted Cruz would agree with it. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me just say, you know, talking to Trump supporters

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Speaker 1: about the primary process is like talking to a woman

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Speaker 1: during a big football game and trying to explain the rules.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know that because I don't I'm a Trump supporter.

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Speaker 1: I don't judge women. Hang on and knows what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. You know sitting there watching football. Come on,

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Speaker 1: I know plenty of women that love football. Football. No

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Speaker 1: one knows more about football than any of us. Is

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Speaker 1: a camera holder. You're sitting there trying to watch the game,

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Speaker 1: and you're going someone's going, that's not fair. What's that

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Speaker 1: rule for? Well, that's just not fair. Why can't he

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Speaker 1: do this? Why can't he do that? You know, stop

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Speaker 1: to understand the rules played by the game, and understand.

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Speaker 1: I played by the Constitution, which you think Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1: would play by as well. But he is playing by

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Speaker 1: the rules. Tell me what rules he's broken. He plays

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Speaker 1: by the rules of the Republican Party, which are completely

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Speaker 1: devious rules he broken. The Republican Party does not play

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Speaker 1: by the book that the American public wants, the thing

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Speaker 1: that the American uh, entire United States it was founded on,

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Speaker 1: which is the Constitution, the way for the people by

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Speaker 1: the people. That is not the game that's being played

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Speaker 1: here is the representative republic that we have. That's not

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Speaker 1: what happened in Colorado. Yes, it is what happened Colorado.

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Speaker 1: These delegates are elected by people. They were grassroots, They

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Speaker 1: were elected people that were chosen by the republic complogy.

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Speaker 1: They were not chosen. They were chosen by the people.

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Speaker 1: They weren't chosen by the RNC. That's that's untrue. You're

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Speaker 1: you're spreading faults and look, this isn't this is a

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Speaker 1: false the republic and I had this conversation last week

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Speaker 1: with the Cruise reporter. You know, the Republican Party is

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Speaker 1: a private company. It is not a government entity. And

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about right now is the way that

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Speaker 1: they picked the person that the senior elites in the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party want, and they don't want Donald Trump because

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Speaker 1: he's gonna throw a monkey ranch into everything that they're about,

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Speaker 1: which is me, me, me, and give me the money

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Speaker 1: and all the inside stuff for them. In Colorado, the

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Speaker 1: RNC did not pick those delegates. Do you understand that

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Speaker 1: they were elected by people in precincts. It's a manipulation

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Speaker 1: of the system. How is that a minute? You know,

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Speaker 1: answering me, Let me let me joe, let me see,

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Speaker 1: if I let me see, if I can clarify. We

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Speaker 1: have really three separate systems. You have the caucus system

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Speaker 1: in the primary system, and then the convention system where

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Speaker 1: you have representatives that end up going instead of having

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Speaker 1: the people themselves either caucus or vote in big numbers.

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Speaker 1: So I I I personally think it should be caucus

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Speaker 1: or convention. But with that said, Jonathan, I mean DC

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Speaker 1: is right in the sense that everybody knew what the

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Speaker 1: system was going in now they've already are changing it

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Speaker 1: back for four years from now. But but did they

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Speaker 1: really I mean, we have executives from the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: coming on CNBC. In the one interview, this happened several

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Speaker 1: times where they say the people don't pick the candidate,

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Speaker 1: and he said, no, listen, I don't like the system

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Speaker 1: I have. I have talked about three set rules that

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party ought to give the states. One you

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Speaker 1: can be a caucus state or a primary state only

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Speaker 1: Two you can be proportional winner take hall three. I think,

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Speaker 1: especially on the first ballot, all delegates should be bound,

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Speaker 1: all of them. So who do you say should tell

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Speaker 1: the no, no, no, I'm saying. I'm saying it's a

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Speaker 1: national party d C. So I think there can be

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Speaker 1: certain national rules so there's less confusion. What about state sovereignty, Well,

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Speaker 1: I just gave you options for the states. But I

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Speaker 1: think when states have the ability to make like in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: for example, even though it worked out in Trump's favor

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Speaker 1: in that particular case, I I don't like the idea.

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Speaker 1: You know, and you're go into a ballot box in

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and you're voting for delegates and you have no

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Speaker 1: idea who those delegates support. And meanwhile, let's say, in

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Speaker 1: your case, you want to support Ted Cruz. I think

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Speaker 1: you ought to know which delegates support Ted Cruise and

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Speaker 1: put those names next to them. But I'm saying going

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Speaker 1: forward with that said, everybody knew what the system was

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Speaker 1: here now as it relates to courting of delegates or

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Speaker 1: at the state conventions. If if Ted Cruz is persuading

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Speaker 1: his people to become those delegates, and that means on

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Speaker 1: a second ballot, if there ever was one, you can't

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Speaker 1: fault him for that. He's working hard. Listen, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you this. I think that the Cruise campaign has been

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Speaker 1: working extremely hard at this. But the thing that bothers

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Speaker 1: me exactly the one little phrase you just said. They're

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Speaker 1: courting delegates. A delegate is supposed to be a representative

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Speaker 1: of a histric of people. There's a point you're making

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Speaker 1: here that I think is very on very firm ground

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Speaker 1: and that is that if I think Arizona was not

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Speaker 1: quite two to one, it was a pretty significant margin

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Speaker 1: of victory by Trump. And and yes I do on

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Speaker 1: the first ballot, for sure, they are bound to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: The second ballot is different. I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this, d C. You've been on the program.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about, well, what can you do as it

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Speaker 1: relates to courting delegates? What can you offer? Plane rides,

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Speaker 1: hotel room, steak dinners, etcetera. Look, I think both parties, frankly,

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Speaker 1: can clean up their systems a little bit. I think

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Speaker 1: you would probably agree that it could be done a

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Speaker 1: lot better. I agree, But I want the only thing.

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Speaker 1: I want to make a point about the idea of

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Speaker 1: interacting with the delegates, because I've talked to delegates and

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Speaker 1: it's actually they're being campaigned to. They're like individuals who

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Speaker 1: are being campaigned to buy the campaigns. The campaigns are

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01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: making a case for their man and this is what

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Speaker 1: they do with the public at large, and it's what

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Speaker 1: they do with the delegates. They're not bribing them or

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: even like buying them anything. They're saying, Hey, here's what

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Speaker 1: I stand for. Please vote for me because I'm the

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01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: better candidate. That's what's going on. But I don't see

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Speaker 1: how you don't have a problem with that, and how

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01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: Crews saying that he's a man of the people, how

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01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a problem with courting delegates and not

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01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: courting the people. See, that's what I'm talking about, the people.

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01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 1: The people believe, the people believe that this system is

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01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: for them and by them, and it's not. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely not. And I don't I don't understand why

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01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: the Republican Party has not gotten behind this message. The

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: people in the Republican Party, the Conservatives, why they don't

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01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: insist because the fact is the entire government is manipulated

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Speaker 1: and monopolized by these two entities, the d n C

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Speaker 1: and the r n C, and this system just shows

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: that it's not for the people, by the people. It's

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Speaker 1: a d C. I don't think you recognize that the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party is a national party, that the party is

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01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: actually no party except that it's made up of people,

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Speaker 1: and that I think to have standardized rules that also

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Speaker 1: allow states to make decisions is important, But I don't

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Speaker 1: think don't think that every state should be able to

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Speaker 1: go completely rogue on their own is beneficial to a

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Speaker 1: national party. Does that make sense to you. I'm really

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Speaker 1: into state sovereignty, and I so am I I don't

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Speaker 1: want a national committee coming in and telling nor well,

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01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 1: hang on, what if a state? What if a state

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: decides that it's representatives, their state legislature will decide the

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Speaker 1: candidate and not the people. You don't want that to happen,

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Speaker 1: do you? Well, I don't. If that state decides however

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Speaker 1: they want to do it, that's how they do. They

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01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: can they can choose delegates at a convention however they

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Speaker 1: want to do it. That's the sovereignty of the states.

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Speaker 1: We do not live in this kind of monolithic system

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Speaker 1: that people are suddenly am I think. I think I'm

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01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: offering actually a lot more flexibility than you think. But

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Speaker 1: I also think that being a national party in that sense,

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01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 1: being made up of the people, that this would guarantee

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: maximum participation of we the people. But you're for the people.

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Speaker 1: I'm confused because you don't like the national party dictating

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01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: yet you want the national party to be But that

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,560
Speaker 1: can be certain. I think there could be certain standards

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01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: of which the states have an ability to choose from

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: those select standards without being able to go totally rogue

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: and disenfranchise participation. Well, I'm saying any any state that

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Speaker 1: has a convention that doesn't allow either caucus, doesn't allow

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Speaker 1: caucus participation or outright primary participation, I think minimizes the

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Speaker 1: numbers of people that have a say in selecting a candidate.

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01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: But that's not true because this is true. Well, for example,

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Speaker 1: if you would have had a primary in Colorado, a

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Speaker 1: million people could have voted, and the way that the

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01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: convention was designed in Colorado had sixty five thousand people participate.

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Speaker 1: I would rather have maximum participation. People could have showed

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Speaker 1: up at their precincts and voted for those delegates. I

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01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: totally understand what kind of going around in a circle though.

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Speaker 1: All right, so what happens tomorrow? If you know, do

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Speaker 1: you think Ted Cruz can pull this out? Even though

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Speaker 1: the polls seem to be turning against him, especially in

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Speaker 1: the last three days. Polls have been wrong before, they've

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01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: been right before. We just don't know. Um, it could

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01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: be either way. And and you're you're on record as

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: saying you're going to support the winner, and but Ted

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Speaker 1: Cruz was asked that question over the weekend. He did

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Speaker 1: not give an affirmative answer. What was your reaction to that. Well,

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01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: of course he's not gonna say he's going to play

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01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: to the in until then actual winner has chosen. But

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Speaker 1: I do remember the first debate, everyone was asked to

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Speaker 1: raise their hand, including Rubio, who came out and said

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01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: he what was it when it was in New York.

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01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly where it was when he came

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01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: out and said, I will vote for Trump because I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to pick a socialist in the Marxist Well,

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Speaker 1: Rubio said Trump has improved significantly and that he thinks

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Speaker 1: that the will of the people should be if he's

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Speaker 1: the nominee, that we should stand behind the will of

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Speaker 1: the people. Well, the will of people is going to

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Speaker 1: be heard no matter what, even if it's a second ballot.

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Speaker 1: So I really want to stop. I think the will

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01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: of the people has been heard pretty much since Donald

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: Trump has over a thousand or right at a thousand delegates.

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01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is the will of the people

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01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: is we're more educated. We have smartphones, we have computered

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01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 1: everywhere we go. We're getting information and people realize that

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01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: something is wrong. That's why Donald Trump has been so successful.

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01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: And that's what really from just a campaign standpoint, really

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01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: kind of boffles my mind. That none of these other

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: people boffles your mind, bobbles my mindoble my mind. Is

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01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: that you say were too smart and they have smartphones

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01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: and they have all this information. Yet people in Colorado

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01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,839
Speaker 1: didn't know to show at their precinct depict their delegates

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01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: and they said systems ricks? Are they ignorant? I never

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01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: said the system is right, not you, Sean, I'm talking

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01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: about the Trump supporters. Well, what I am saying, though,

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01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: I think you've got to make it easy for people

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01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: to vote. And you know why, because people are working

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01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: eighteen hours a day. Everybody I know is busting their

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01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: asks because they got to pay the taxes and raise

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01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: their kids. They did, you know, frankly, I have time

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01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: to just race in, sign my name, do my ballot,

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01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: and leave me alone at that shop. And they have

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01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: that they that they shouldn't be a game. They got

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: they knew that they could go. It was an article,

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01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: one of little articles, and we're going around in circles.

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01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: I have listened as a Republican member of the PC.

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01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: By the way, you've been a rock star on TV.

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01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: We really she we actually been using d C on

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01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: TV now she's a rock star. Have you have you

1405
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: enjoyed it? I have had a lot of fun. It

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01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: made your pinfall off that you know? Is that what

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01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: it is? You've made that happen? All right? I'm thank

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01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: you so much. You know, I don't even know what

1409
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: to make of of some of these Republicans um that

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: are losing their minds. I really don't know what to

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01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: make of it, you know, I told you earlier today

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: George Will has essentially endorsed Hillary Clinton. Now you've got

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01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: Bill Crystal now trying to encourage a third party candidacy

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01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: to stop Trump in the general election, which of course

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01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: would make Hillary president anyway. Crystal has put out a

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 1: hypothetical shortlist of third party candidates, including Senator Rubio and

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01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,839
Speaker 1: Tom Cotton, who could run against Trump if he becomes

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01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: the Republican nominee. Ian Why would you do this? You know?

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01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: I was always a fan of George Will over the years.

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01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: I remember him from the This Week with David Brinkley

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01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: years and with Sam Donaldson all those years, and when

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01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: Will would battle Donaldson and Coke Roberts on the panel

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01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: He's the lone Reagan defender from so many years ago,

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01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: and his arguments were stunningly effective, and he usually left

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01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: everybody else in the dust. And I wish I could

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01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: say the same about his latest Washington Post column. Um,

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01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: if Trump has nominated, the GOP must keep him out

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01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: of the White House. Wow. Think back how many times

1429
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: over the years the Republican establishment types. I had no

1430
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: idea how much they really hate Tea Party people. I

1431
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: had no idea how much. And by the way, they

1432
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: hate Cruis as much as Trump. They'd be doing the

1433
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: same thing in my view, if it was if it

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01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: was likely that Cruz was getting the nomination. They hate

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01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: anybody but their people, and their people were beated. But

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01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: we're beating resoundly in this in this battle. Now we're

1437
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: gonna pick up our toys and go home. Imagine when

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01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 1: Bob Dole ran, or John McCain ran, or for the

1439
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: people that didn't like Mitt Romney, if they would, Wow,

1440
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna run a third party conservative. Imagine what their

1441
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: reaction would be. Now you have somebody that is not

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01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:56,959
Speaker 1: in the establishment to insurgency candidates, and they've done everything

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01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: that they can do. And it also confirms what I

1444
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: have been telling you for a long time, and that

1445
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: is these establishment people are gonna work hard to defeat

1446
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: be a Cruise or Trump as the nominee, so that

1447
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: they can wag their fingers on national TV and tell

1448
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: you the people how stupid you are and how dumb

1449
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: you are, and how you should have listened to them

1450
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: and you should have picked their establishment candidate, which we

1451
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 1: would have probably watched lose. Again. Well, how can you

1452
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: say that? And they well, they couldn't be cruising Trump,

1453
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: none of them. It's unbelievable to me. This is now

1454
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: what we have. What you know, He goes on to say,

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01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,480
Speaker 1: we're Trump to be nominated. Conservatives would have two tasks.

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01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: One would be to help him lose fifty states, in

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01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: other words, of punishment for his comprehensive disdain of conservative

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01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 1: essentials like the manners and grace that should lubricate the

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01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: nation's civic life. Second, conservatives can try and save, uh

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01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: try to save from the anti Trump undertow as many senators, representatives, governors,

1461
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 1: and state legislators as possible. Trump's nominated Republicans working to

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01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 1: purge him and his manner from public life will reap

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01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: the considerable satisfaction of preserving the identity of their hundred

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01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: and sixty two year old party while working to see

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01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: that they forego only four years of the enjoyment of

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01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: executive power George will And then you got Bill Crystal

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: pushing for a third party which guarantees Hillary wins. The

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01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: Missouri had got a different way with five two thou votes,

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01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: a little a little bit different. It could have been

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01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: a little but a different kind of outcome. But Trump

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01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: has both in a very good candidate and pretty lucky

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01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: in winning some key states by a small market. And

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01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: now he looks since to be strong. Let's see what

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Speaker 1: happens in Arizona and so forth. Yeah, I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of conservatives, some conservatives, I shouldn't exaggerate, are looking

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Speaker 1: at an independent Republican candidate. You can put someone on

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01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: the someone can get on the ballot pretty easily. It's

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Speaker 1: not a hospital. What's what's the way award there? Electorally?

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Speaker 1: Is that just to stop Donald Trump from being the

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Speaker 1: next president? Or could a conservative slash independent win if

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Speaker 1: you looked at the math there. I've looked at the

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Speaker 1: math a little. I would it would be tough to win,

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01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: but not impossible. I think the key numbers the one

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Speaker 1: you guys showed a little bit ago, which is how

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Speaker 1: many Republicans don't want to vote for Donald Trump in

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Speaker 1: the general election. That's something, you know, It's I can't

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01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: think how many times have conservatives been told to suck

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Speaker 1: it up with a moderate candidate. Now, some of you argue,

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Speaker 1: all right, well, Ted Cruz is the most conservative candidate

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Speaker 1: in the race. He's the Constitution, okay, but he's got

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Speaker 1: to win. Tomorrow is probably a must win day for

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01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 1: him in Indiana if he wants to continue on anyway,

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Speaker 1: one Shawn, you want to be a part of the program,

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Steve and the Poconos in Pennsylvania. Steve Hi,

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Speaker 1: how are you glad you called? And welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Sean Hannity Showy, Sean, how you doing a big time

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01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: fan night and day? I could talk to you about

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01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: a lot of things, but I just want to thank

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01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 1: you about going out there and uh with this pencil

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Speaker 1: any primary and putting it out there, the lists and

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01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: telling everybody how important it is. And he inspired me

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01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: to go out and make my own lists and go

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01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: get people to go vote. And you're right, many many

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01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: people clueless clueless. Well, I gotta tell you, I've gotten

1505
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 1: a lot of positive feedback. It was not to favor

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01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: anyone candidate over the other. We put all the people

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01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: that were supporting uh Donald Trump, all the people supporting

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01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, and the very few people of any that

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01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: we're supporting John Kasick or at least publicly announcing they

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01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: before Kasik and the idea of the Pennsylvania thinks it's

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01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 1: okay to put it a list of un attached delegates

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01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: on a ballot having no idea which candidates they would support,

1513
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: to me, is malpractice. They're not doing a service for

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01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:51,520
Speaker 1: the people of their state. They have absolutely no understanding whatsoever.

1515
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: You know, the lives that people are living, and how

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: busy we all are. Al right, back to our phones, Naples, Florida,

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Speaker 1: Fox five, Fox News Radio. What's up, Shelly? How are

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01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,560
Speaker 1: you good? Sean love the show. How's things down in Paradise?

1519
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: I know I might be down here in Paradise one time,

1520
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: one of your favorite places downtown? What place was it?

1521
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: Can I say it on the air? Yeah? Sure, why not? Chop,

1522
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: I was I was probably there at a table of fifty, right.

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01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: I usually go with entourages of family members and friends

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01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 1: when we go down. I don't get to go very often.

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01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,719
Speaker 1: My family was down there last week at a great time. Yeah,

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01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: it's lovely. Well, come back down, thank you very much.

1527
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: So I am a Trump supporter, I'm a diehard Republican. UM,

1528
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: I am a political junkie. It's Fox day and night.

1529
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: I donate, I stand with signs at location voting areas,

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01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: I do campaign callouts, and um, I think what makes

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01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: America is so great is that we all I still

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01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: believe that we do have a voice. And I've dragged

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01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: my husband and my family, my friends into this political phrase,

1534
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 1: especially this year's saying. Look, if you want to complain

1535
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 1: or if you want to make a change and you want,

1536
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,799
Speaker 1: you have to have a voice. You have to get involved,

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01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: you have to be passionate. So if the establishment or

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01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 1: the RNC does not support once again, I hope it's Trump.

1539
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: But whoever it is that has the most delegates and

1540
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: they go into a whether you call it broke it

1541
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 1: or contested convention, I think I speak volumes for probably

1542
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people. I do not ever ever see

1543
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: myself having any interest in politics or supporting a candidate,

1544
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: and maybe even voting, because it will prove to me

1545
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: that really there is no voice of America, and I

1546
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: think it'll just be a sad day for the country. Well,

1547
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. I mean, if Trump did two things.

1548
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: Let's say that he eliminated Obamacare and he actually built

1549
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: the wall. He can't spend any more money than Obama

1550
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: spend in turn of in terms of building up our

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01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: nation's debt. But you know, those are two massive things

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01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: that would improve the country. Those two things. And I'll

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01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: add a third thing, which he's told me in just

1554
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: about re interview, which is he'd make America energy independent.

1555
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 1: And you know what, I don't understand those that are

1556
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: so bitter that they're people lost. I I understand the

1557
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,759
Speaker 1: emotional tide, the emotional process people go through and picking

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01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: a candidate. I really do. I have great compassion for

1559
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: those people that put themselves out there and eventually they

1560
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: don't get the nomination, and how hard that process has

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01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: got to be for them and their families. They put

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01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: their heart and their soul. It's not easy running for president.

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01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: And I can tell you because I've seen it up

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01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: close and personal too many times, it is a great

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01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: sacrifice and toll on one and one's family to put

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01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 1: yourself out there like this. But I also think that

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01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: the process being so hard is actually a good thing,

1568
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: because this is the hardest job that exists, and if

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01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: you can't handle the process, you're not gonna be able

1570
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: to handle the job. All right, let's get to our

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01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: busy phones. Blake in Los Angeles. Blake, Welcome to the

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01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: Sean Hannity Show. What's up, sir? Thank you so much

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01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: for taking Appreciate everything you do. Force brother. By the way,

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01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: next time you're at in and out Burger, order one

1575
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: in my name and get get a double double. Let

1576
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: us wrap animal style. You got it, I'll get the

1577
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: Shawn Special. Shawn Special, that's what we're gonna call it.

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01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: What's going on? Hey, I last Thursday was National Take

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01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: your son and Daughters to Work Today, So I took

1580
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: the opportunity to pull my kids out of school and

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01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: we just headed down to Orange County to see Donald

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01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: Trump at his rally. And it was awesome. Was that

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01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: the coast of No Not? Was that the coast of Masa?

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01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: Wanna know? Yeah? The cost man. Did you see all

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01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 1: of the people with the Mexican flags. We saw some

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01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 1: as you're coming out. But I'm a very overprotected father,

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01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: and I made sure to avoid all that. And and yeah,

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01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: that's that's because you're smart. Of course you've avoided it.

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01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: Why would you walk in the middle of that with

1590
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: your kids, That'd be dumb, exactly. But the protesters, they

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01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: did a great job, you know that right on queue,

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01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: they just solidified Mr Trump's message on you know, why

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01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 1: we don't want there's kind of uh people in the

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01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: country and in the illegal immigrants, and so you know,

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01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: they did a great job. But Mr Trump also did

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01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: an amazing job. My kids were so excited to see him.

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01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: You know, they were on their chair, young and screaming,

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01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: and you know, he's just done a wonderful job getting

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01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: my kids excited about this country. You know, the process

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01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: and his candidacy. I will tell you this, And I've

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01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: been to all of these different rallies around the country

1602
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: with everybody, and sometimes people don't know, but I'm actually

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01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: off off stage on the side, and I've watched a

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01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: lot of the candidates. It's really an unbelievable experience to

1605
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: take your kids to see all of these people. It's

1606
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: a great experience, and I'm glad that this year, we

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01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: had so many opportunities to be able to allow people

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01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 1: sort of in that environment with the many town halls

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01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: that we've done, and it's been a lot of fun

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01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people really have enjoyed it.

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01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna put two callers on here at once. Jason,

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01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: pay close attention. We've got c J is in Charleston,

1613
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Sandy is in El Centro, California. They both

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01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: seem to do agree. C J. Say Hi to Sandy.

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01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: Say Sandy, Say Hi to c J. Hi Sandy. All Right,

1616
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: c c J will start with you. What's your point? Okay, Hey,

1617
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you a call because I hear you

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01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: every day and I hear um, you know you want

1619
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 1: to be fair to everybody. Um. I think Donald Trump

1620
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: has given everybody a bit of a sales pitch that

1621
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: they're falling for. I hear him. Come on your show

1622
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: and talk about the Penny Plan, which is obviously your

1623
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: biggest thing. And I appreciate you for sticking up for conservatism.

1624
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: But the reason I'm never Trump as big as Trump

1625
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 1: is deluding conservatism on issues such as abortion, on gay rights. Um.

1626
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: The list goes on and on. So, Um, I think

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01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: it's you don't You don't believe racist. Wait, you don't

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01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: believe that he's so you don't believe him. I've asked

1629
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: him the abortion question many times. You don't believe that

1630
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: he's pro life. That but makes the exception for rape

1631
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: and incest. You don't believe him, Sean, You and I

1632
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: both know that the Bible says you will know them

1633
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: by the fruits in a bad tree cannot bear good fruits.

1634
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: And a man that that um that spent his money

1635
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 1: bribing politicians and brags about But but you change the

1636
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: topics fashion for conservati CJ. You're changing topics on me.

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01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: You don't believe him when he says he's pro life.

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01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: Now that he that he changed his view on the topic,

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01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: you don't believe him. Well should I? Should I believe

1640
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: somebody who's changed their view on it? Or should I

1641
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: believe somebody that's been fighting? But listen, why are you

1642
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: fighting with me? I'm just asking a simple question. You

1643
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: don't you don't believe him? Okay, doesn't think of the

1644
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: human pilost Sandy. But to this, Um, I think people

1645
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: can change. I know as a young girl, I had

1646
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 1: a totally different opinion than I do as an older woman.

1647
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: So I do see that people can change. And the

1648
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: reason I like Trump is because he's putting Americans first,

1649
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,799
Speaker 1: and the illegal immigration is a is a big problem

1650
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:42,799
Speaker 1: with me. We've got to change that. I also believe

1651
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: that we've got to give the power to the people.

1652
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 1: And he's got the most votes, the most delegates, and

1653
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: if we give the nomination to him, or if he

1654
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: earns it by having that, then I think we're gonna

1655
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: win in November. If we overturn the will of the

1656
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: people and give it to someone who it's not one

1657
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: the people, like Ted Cruise, then um, it's it's not

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01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 1: gonna head the backing may I respond substance and okay,

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01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: So with immigration, my my problem with it, Sean, as

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01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: you give you give Ted the tough questions, but you

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01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: don't give Trump the tough questions about what he really

1662
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: thinks about immigration, what the tape that the New York

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01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: Times won't release about it? And then if you're well,

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01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: slow down, you can't say things that aren't true. I

1665
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: have asked them about it, but go ahead, okay, Okay,

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01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: Well I apologize. And lastly, I was gonna say I'm

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01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 1: all for power to the people. Ted Cruise is the

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01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: last leader of the liberty movement. And so when Tonald

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01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: Donald Trump talks about national run healthcare with health care

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01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: savings accounts, that's referring to Salo Lensky's principle that Hillary

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01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: Clinton sites in her um and and rules for radicals. Well,

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01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: healthcare savings accounts actually comes from the book Patient Power

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01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: that was put together by the libertarian think tank, uh,

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Speaker 1: the Cato Institute. He answered yes to Yes, I would,

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01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: I would want nationally run. They got him in a

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01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 1: Goschap question because he hadn't studied the issue far enough. Sean,

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01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: that was so excited every issue. I want someone who's

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Speaker 1: gonna be let me ask you last question. If it's

1679
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: Hillary versus Trump, who are you going to vote for.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote for a libertarian candidate, my friend. I

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Speaker 1: want someone who represents my values and not someone who's

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Speaker 1: going to dilut dilute the conservative the conservative movement. That

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Speaker 1: would be a half of vote for Hillary in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: I say that respectfully, you know, Sean, mathematically eliminated means

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Speaker 1: that the voters have already said no to Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1: that's what that means. Now people say mathematically eliminated. They

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Speaker 1: don't get the true meaning of that. All right, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna let you both go as you can hear. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of passion on all ends of this, and

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Speaker 1: I completely understand it