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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Bombshell verdict in the case of an illegal immigrant accused

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Speaker 2: of the rape and murder of a beautiful young mother

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Speaker 2: of five, Rachel Morin. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. An illegal migrant found

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Speaker 2: guilty of quote, viciously raping and murdering a Maryland mom

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Speaker 2: of five, Rachel Morin. After the jury deliberated less than

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Speaker 2: an hour, Victor Martinez Hernandez, twenty four, convicted guilty a

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Speaker 2: first degree murder, first degree rape, first degree sex offense,

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Speaker 2: and kidnapping. This after Rachel, thirty seven, was murdered along

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Speaker 2: a hiking trail about thirty miles northeast of Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Again, the guilty verdicts.

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Speaker 2: Handed down in less than an hour of deliberation. Martinez

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Speaker 2: Hernandez said to spend the rest of his life behind bars.

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Speaker 2: What were the facts that convinced this jury?

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Speaker 3: Trail mom Rachel Morin's killer caught in a Tulsa bar.

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Speaker 3: The suspect, Victor Hernandez, on the run from his native

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Speaker 3: El Salvador for yet another murder. Today, Rachel Morin's mom

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Speaker 3: speaks out.

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Speaker 2: You know everywhere I look I see him. I see

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Speaker 2: him everywhere I look. Why do I have to keep

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Speaker 2: seeing him? I want to see Rachel Moron. Beautiful on

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Speaker 2: the inside, beautiful on the outside, no question about that,

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Speaker 2: But in my mind, more important than her striking beauty,

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Speaker 2: she is the mother of five, the mother of five children,

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Speaker 2: and before that, she was a daughter to a wonderful mom.

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Speaker 1: Patty mourn, Miss Moran. Thank you for being with us,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Miss Moran.

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Speaker 2: How did you learn that Rachel's killer had been caught?

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Speaker 2: Because this was a man hunt like no other, crossing

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Speaker 2: borders all the way to Old Salvador.

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Speaker 4: Actually, the sheriff department reached out to our family and

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Speaker 4: had set up a meeting in their office to let

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Speaker 4: us know that they had identified the suspect and that

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Speaker 4: they were in the process of trying to locate him.

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Speaker 5: So at the time we weren't allowed to say anything.

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Speaker 4: They showed us a picture of him, and then we

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Speaker 4: were expecting that it would still take some time, but miraculously,

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Speaker 4: within hours after they informed us, they were able to

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Speaker 4: locate him and apprehend him.

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Speaker 2: Looking at this guy, he looks like if somebody you

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Speaker 2: might pass on the way to the subway or at

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Speaker 2: the grocery store. Little did everyone know, this guy with

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Speaker 2: the big smile laid in wait to catch Rachel, mother

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Speaker 2: of five, as she walked around the bend of the

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Speaker 2: Ma and Paw trail there near bel Air, Maryland. As

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Speaker 2: you can see, the bend in the trail gives him

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Speaker 2: perfect cover. He's like a hyena waiting at the waterpool,

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Speaker 2: waiting for the beautiful gazelle to come by and then pounce,

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Speaker 2: just waiting. Rachel had no idea what would befall her

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Speaker 2: that day. Tracking this guy, this guy, Victor Antonio Martinez

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Speaker 2: her Nandez, was no easy thing.

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Speaker 1: Listen, if he's come.

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Speaker 6: Under the radar through Haida, that means they may have

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Speaker 6: already had pre incident contact with this guy on other

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Speaker 6: types of crimes, narcotics investigations, or something to that effect.

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Speaker 6: The fact that the sheriff mentioned them the other day

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Speaker 6: as a partner who assisted in this case, that threw

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Speaker 6: me a red flag that, Okay, this guy had been

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Speaker 6: in this country. And now that big question is what

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Speaker 6: was he doing. Was he running dope? Was he working

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Speaker 2: Joining me in addition to Rachel's mother Patty, is renowned

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Speaker 2: psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from La. Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 2: I've tried so many cases where the victim was.

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Speaker 2: I've tried a lot of drug cases that turned into

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Speaker 2: homicide cases. But there are those singular cases. There are

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Speaker 2: those cases that strike me where it's such a dichotomy

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Speaker 2: of good versus evil. You have Rachel Morin, young, beautiful, happy,

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Speaker 2: There is no greater compliment to me than someone saying,

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Speaker 2: you know what, You're really a good mom. She devoted

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Speaker 2: herself to five children. You got her, and you got

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Speaker 2: this guy just trucking. Alawn Martinez Hernandez already killed one

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Speaker 2: person in El Salvador, sneaks over here, somewhere in the timeline,

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Speaker 2: he sex assaults a nine year old little girl. And

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Bethany, doctor Bethany, there are more victims,

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Speaker 2: be they in Virginia, in California, in Tulsa, where he

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Speaker 2: these are not his only victims ecotomy I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: You've got Rachel Morin, just beautiful, just beloved by her family,

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Speaker 1: Who is with us today, and they got this guy.

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Speaker 2: And it makes me wonder this age old question, why

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Speaker 2: to our very best people fall victim to people like Hernandez.

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Speaker 1: Yes, good and evil, it's right there. And what I really.

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Speaker 7: Am struck by in this case is that this perpetrator

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Speaker 7: is what I would call poly perverse, and so this

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Speaker 7: makes this guy very, very dangerous. And the other thing

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Speaker 7: Nancy that strikes me is the enormous amount of energy

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Speaker 7: that goes into these crimes. This guy is not just

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Speaker 7: you know, in one town or one village and you know,

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Speaker 7: just sneaking out at night and killing or raping somebody.

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Speaker 3: This guy is traveling all over the world.

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Speaker 7: So if he hadn't been caught, we could have had

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Speaker 7: a total killing spree.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what you mean by could have

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Speaker 2: had a total killing spree. I've got a victim in

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Speaker 2: El Salvador dead, Rachel Mooren is dead, a nine year

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Speaker 2: old girl has been raped, and I guarantee you there

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Speaker 2: are more dead bodies in his wake. The reason this

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Speaker 2: because of Rachel Moron and the publicity and the intent,

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Speaker 2: the iron will. Her mother had to see this thing through.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many more victims there would be,

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Speaker 2: So I do know who and what Rachel Moron is.

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Speaker 2: She is the lady that moms want their girls to

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Speaker 2: grow up and be. That's who Rachel Moren is.

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Listen?

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Speaker 8: Five hours after meeting with the family, and just before

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Speaker 8: midnight our time police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by our

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Speaker 8: federal partners, located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez.

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Speaker 8: So far, we have learned that the suspect now pictured

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Speaker 8: on the screens is a twenty year old, twenty three

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Speaker 8: year old citizen of El Salvador who illegally crossed the

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Speaker 2: Mis moran, could you tell to our listeners who is Rachel?

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Speaker 2: I guess the backdrop of who is this guy Hernandez?

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Speaker 4: Well, Rachel from birth on has been this little spark,

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Speaker 4: like a little fireball. I remember her being like fourteen

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Speaker 4: learning new things. Everything excited her. The excitement wasn't learning.

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Speaker 4: But also she was very sensitive. She cared about people.

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Speaker 5: I loved her because she had She has.

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Speaker 4: A strong sense of herself and she didn't have a

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Speaker 5: But she was. But that's what made her who she was.

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Speaker 5: She knew who she was. She loved her children. She

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Speaker 2: Ms. Lauren, Can you tell me about Rachel's children and

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Speaker 2: how they have been with bonding to mommy being gone.

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Speaker 4: Yes, in the beginning, it was they lived in denial.

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Speaker 4: They couldn't understand why she was gone. They couldn't understand

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Speaker 4: who's high on the spectrum, and her daughter just kept saying,

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Speaker 4: I just want my friend back, and she couldn't understand

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Speaker 4: they've been getting a counseling and help in processing this.

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Speaker 4: But I think that it's going to be a long

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Speaker 2: Patty how old is her youngest eight years old. There

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Speaker 4: This five, they're all separated. Her oldest daughter has been

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Speaker 4: and they're actually expecting their first baby, so Rachel's missing

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Speaker 4: the birth her first granddaughter. Then two of her children,

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Speaker 2: You know, until I had the twins, I you know,

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Speaker 2: I would hear people talk about the best thing that

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Speaker 2: It's devastating the most important thing that happens to them

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Speaker 2: But the more I learned about her, she was completely

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Speaker 1: And who is he listened?

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Speaker 8: Victor Hernandez did not come here to make a better

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Speaker 8: to escape a crime he committed, no salador. He came

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Speaker 8: But that should have never been allowed to happen.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Guilty, an illegal immigrant now convicted in the murder of

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Speaker 2: a beautiful young mother of five, guilty in her murder

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Speaker 2: and rape, the jury deliberating less than an hour. Patty Mooren,

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Speaker 2: is the family lawyer. I might add Vincent Hill joining

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Speaker 2: me in addition to doctor Bethany Marshall, Vincent Hill investigative,

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Speaker 2: reporter of Fox forty five in Baltimore and former police

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Speaker 2: officer in Private Eye. He's the author of playbook to

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Speaker 2: a Murder of Vincent. Thank you for joining. I want

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Speaker 2: to try and explain, but you're very familiar with the path.

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Speaker 1: How this guy, a predator.

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Speaker 2: Already murdered one woman back in El Salvador, already attacked

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Speaker 2: a mother and a nine year old little girl. How

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Speaker 2: he is waiting along this trail and this is not

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Speaker 2: a trail where nobody can say, you know, Vincent, How

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Speaker 2: people love to say, oh I would never have gone

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Speaker 2: walking on that trail by myself or everybody feels in

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Speaker 2: the blank right there. It drives me crazy. So they

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Speaker 2: can differentiate themselves from a violent crime victim.

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Speaker 1: Because it makes you feel safe. That's not going to

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Speaker 2: But this trail, Ma and Pa trail, it's a family trail.

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Speaker 1: Families are on it all the time. If you look.

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Speaker 2: Past those trees, there's an apartment complex and people access

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Speaker 2: it all the time. And I just want to point

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Speaker 2: out there is no way to insinuate that Rachel Moore

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Speaker 2: and in any way was acting negligently or recklessly. I

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Speaker 2: want to dispel that myth because I've heard it.

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Speaker 1: It's not true.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right, Nancy. I mean, if Rachel had any

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Speaker 9: inkling that something would have been best on that trail,

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Speaker 2: You know, Vincent, I want to address something that you

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Speaker 2: a long pause. He stalked her, he saw her. He

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Speaker 2: we know who he is and he is behind bars.

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Speaker 1: This is what happened. Listen.

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Speaker 10: There was a bend in the trail that most likely

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Speaker 11: DNA evidence was collected by our Forensic Services Union. That

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Speaker 1: His DNA and that was then.

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Speaker 2: This is now we got him due to an extensive

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm so sorry what you've lived through, but I

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Speaker 4: It's an everyday thing. Sad to say it, it's I know.

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Speaker 5: They have a suspect, it makes all the facts true

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Speaker 4: Rethink what you've been told and process those thoughts and put.

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Speaker 5: A timeline to it. And it's very it's like, it's

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Speaker 12: You know, as moms, we want to protect our children,

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Speaker 5: It's been a very it's just been it's been very hard.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't there to protect her or to help her,

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Randolph, I'm so glad you're there with Ms Moran.

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Speaker 2: I'm just so glad you're there, Randolph Rice, high profile

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Speaker 2: lawyer that's working with the Moron family. Just let me

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Speaker 2: go to Chris McDonough. He is the director of the

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Speaker 2: Cold Case Foundation. He has been working on this case

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Speaker 2: and investigating on his own, as we all have been.

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Speaker 2: Former homicide detective with no less than three hundred homicide investigations.

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Speaker 1: Under his belt.

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Speaker 2: I found him on YouTube on the interview room during

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Speaker 1: But Chris, I'm listening to Ms.

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Speaker 2: Morin and I have never been quite as brave as

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Speaker 2: I stopped myself because to this day it gives me

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Speaker 2: what I think happened. Crime victims never get away from it,

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Speaker 2: and I can't. Now that I've got children, I can't

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Speaker 2: imagine what a parent goes through. You heard Rachel's mom

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Speaker 1: It's excruciating. How do you separate yourself from that? Chris?

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Speaker 6: You know I lost a child in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 6: and I don't think anybody quite understands, like Nancy's explaining

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Speaker 6: you can get to. But here's the other good news.

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Speaker 6: that her life makes a difference to perhaps somebody else's

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Speaker 13: And you know, I know that Nancy's given you an

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Speaker 13: you're going to do that, and I commend you for

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Speaker 2: I want to go to special guests joining us. In

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Speaker 2: addition to Rachel's mother, it's Randolph Rice, high profile lawyer

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Speaker 1: Randolph, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: You know, I tried a drug lord and the night

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Speaker 2: he was arrested, I'll never forget it. He was wearing,

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Speaker 2: oh on Michael Jackson, a bright red leather jacket and

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Speaker 2: matching pants, the highest Italian leather. He was wearing a

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Speaker 2: Of course that said guess what he wore. Of course,

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Speaker 2: he made bond because he had millions of dollars drug money,

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Speaker 2: but guess what he wore Day one to the trial

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Speaker 2: just guess yes, same thing, and that is what one

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Speaker 2: of the witnesses had described a red jacket, a red

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Speaker 2: leather jacket. What I'm saying is not just about the hat,

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Speaker 2: Randolph Rice, it's the fingerprint nature of the crimes, the similarities.

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Speaker 2: In both cases, he lie in wait for the right moment.

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Speaker 2: In both cases, he attacked a female. In both cases,

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Speaker 2: he's wearing the same thing. In both cases, there was

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Speaker 1: Like he owned it.

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Speaker 2: And I guarantee you he did the same thing in

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Speaker 2: Rachel's murder. The similarities of these cases and there's going

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Speaker 2: to be more. I just wonder if the case No

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Speaker 2: going to go, Randolph Rice, let us go all the way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Now, you're right, And as you as a former prosecutor

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Speaker 5: And you're right.

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Speaker 14: You have got to put together a timeline of where

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Finally, a guilty verdict in the case of a man

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Speaker 2: accused of viciously raping and murdering a Maryland mother of

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Speaker 2: five after a lengthy investigation that spanned the country. I'm

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Speaker 2: just wondering how you're getting through eight day? How do

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Speaker 1: Asleep when you wake up in the morning, What makes

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Speaker 5: Actually I haven't really slept at all in the last

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Speaker 4: You think about all the details before she was murdered,

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Speaker 5: There is.

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Speaker 4: Now a sense of relief where before, to be honest,

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Speaker 5: And thinking what more can I do to help my daughter?

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Speaker 2: Chris McDonald joining me veteran law enforcement. I'm thinking about

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Speaker 2: what Patty Rachel Moren's mom is just saying. I know

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Speaker 2: to the best way, of course, is DNA, and his

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Speaker 2: But there is also the fingerprint data bank where he

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Speaker 2: a digital fingerprint. Okay, this guy is, as we say now,

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Speaker 1: That's what we're saying.

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Speaker 2: Nobody is saying illegal alien apparently, so we're not going

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Speaker 1: That's not happening. But I guarantee you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this guy is involved with a gang.

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Speaker 2: He is in a gang notorious for crime.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you prosecuted gang cases. I did.

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Speaker 2: They're like a pack of animals. Human life means nothing

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Speaker 15: Yes, No, you are one hundred percent right, Nancy that

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Speaker 15: if this guy, you know, we first of all, we

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Speaker 6: The question is how many times and did they ever

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Speaker 6: Let me tell you, I've been there and we've served

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Speaker 2: Joining me is a very special guest. Patty Mooren is

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Speaker 2: want you, as best as you can to explain what

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I cry, I cry, and I pray.

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Speaker 16: I I know that different people have different religious affiliations,

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Speaker 16: God has a plan and a purpose even if we

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Speaker 4: And I believe that God is good and that he

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Speaker 4: loves me. And so when things are very hard, I

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Speaker 4: go to the I go to the rock. He's my

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Speaker 4: solace and I just pray and pour my heart out.

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Speaker 5: To him and he comforts me. But then I also

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Speaker 5: have a close group of friends that have been such a.

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Speaker 4: Support these last few months, praying for our family, giving

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Speaker 4: encouraging words. Mister Rice, what an awesome man he is.

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Speaker 4: He is so good and so kind and so generous,

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Speaker 4: just really very good supportive people, And so I would

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Speaker 4: encourage anyone that's feeling pain from a loss, to get counseling,

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Speaker 4: to have a support group, a group of friends, maybe

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Speaker 4: grief share, and just to keep your friends close and

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Speaker 4: don't be afraid to feel your feelings and to process.

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Speaker 5: Them because you don't want to be stuck.

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Speaker 16: And it's healthy.

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Speaker 4: Even though it's very, very painful, it's healthy to process them.

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Speaker 4: And I want to make sure that I'm healthy for

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Speaker 4: my family, So I'm willing to feel the pain now

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Speaker 4: so that I'm not stuck and not moving forward from

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Speaker 4: my grain children.

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Speaker 2: It took less than an hour for a jury to

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Speaker 2: convict an illegal immigrant, Victor Martinez Hernandez, aged twenty four,

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Speaker 2: in their murder and rape of a beautiful young mother

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Speaker 2: of five, Rachel Morin.

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Speaker 17: Nancy, if I can jump in here, Victor Martinez Hernandez

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Speaker 17: will be sentenced in August. On the eleventh, a sentencing

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Speaker 17: hearing is scheduled, and during the hearing, Morn's family and

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Speaker 17: friends will have the opportunity to speak on the impact

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Speaker 17: of Moron's death. Until then, Nancy, the children of Rachel

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Speaker 17: Morin have filed a lawsuit against their grandmother and aunt.

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Speaker 17: The five children ranging in age from nine to nineteen,

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Speaker 17: claim they've not received any money from the GoFundMe account

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Speaker 17: started after Moren's death or any other donated money it gifts.

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Speaker 17: Nearly fifty five thousand dollars was donated for funeral expenses,

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Speaker 17: and according to the lawsuit, the remaining funds will be

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Speaker 17: given to Morin's children instead. They claim the money is

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Speaker 17: in an account controlled by Patty Moran and Rebecca Moran,

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Speaker 17: Rachel Moran's mother and sister. The accusations against the two

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Speaker 17: unjustin Richmond and fraud. Rachel's oldest daughter, nineteen year old

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Speaker 17: faving Man, who is the executor of her mom's estate,

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Speaker 17: along with Joseph Custer and Jonathan Alderson, the father of

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Speaker 17: Rachel's four other surviving children, filed the claim. They request

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Speaker 17: a quote full accounting of the funds raised and their

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Speaker 17: current disposition, and are asking the court to award both

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Speaker 17: compensatory and punitive damages. A similar lawsuit was dismissed months ago,

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Speaker 17: but we don't know why.

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Speaker 1: Our prayers with the Moron family. Goodbye friend,