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Speaker 1: The Volume.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to jenis the Jones on the Volume podcast network.

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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, November sixth, and this is gonna be

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a different episode. If you are

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Speaker 2: looking for an escape from politics, skip this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is not gonna be the come laugh with the fellas.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're all feeling I think I would say

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Speaker 2: shell shocked, but we're gonna talk about it. One thing

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Speaker 2: I think we've always done on the show is kind

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Speaker 2: of stay true to what we're all as friends actually

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Speaker 2: talking about and caring about. And obviously what we've been

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Speaker 2: talking about in the group chat is the election, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to jump into all that. But if you

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Speaker 2: want to not think about that shit, this was your

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Speaker 2: warning to skip the episode. Trigger warning if you will.

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Speaker 2: I guess as always, Jenkus Jones hosted by Dragonfly Jones aka.

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Speaker 3: Tyler Hey, everybody have the gun.

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Speaker 2: Jethro Jenkins aka John, I'm GUARDI.

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Speaker 4: B A KA Mike Fucking Mike, and we're produced as

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Speaker 4: always by the lovely and talented Jackson staff.

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Speaker 1: On the second, we can't we can't, we can we

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Speaker 1: can't allow it.

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Speaker 5: We can feel our feelings, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so that's what I want to start with. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, Tyler and John, obviously the election went differently

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Speaker 2: than you know, all of us we're hoping it would

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Speaker 2: go all four of us as a Democratic voting blue

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Speaker 2: state residents. How are you guys feeling and what was

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Speaker 2: your reaction to last night? Was their surprise anger? You know,

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Speaker 2: how are you just like feeling? Just checking in with

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Speaker 2: the two of.

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Speaker 4: You right now, I'm just I'm I'm just tired, bro,

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Speaker 4: Like like tired in the sense of, yeah, I'm annoyed,

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Speaker 4: I'm fed up all that, but I'm like legitimately physically

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Speaker 4: and emotionally tired at this moment. Like last night, when

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Speaker 4: I saw ow shit was looking. When I saw that,

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Speaker 4: you know, North Carolina was gonna go Trump's way, when

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Speaker 4: I saw Jordan's gonna go Trump's way, I was like, bro,

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to sleep. And that was like twelve o'clock,

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Speaker 4: and y'all know I stay up till like fucking two

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Speaker 4: three in the morning, just on the regular, and I

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Speaker 4: was for sure playing on staying up you know, a

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Speaker 4: little later until the night to see how this went.

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Speaker 4: But once you know, Trump blocked those states, I was like, bro,

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Speaker 4: it's over. Yeah, and it's just you're going to.

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Speaker 2: Sleep at midnight? Would be like, John, are going to

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Speaker 2: sleep at three pm?

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Speaker 5: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Man, It's just you know, when when Trump won it

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Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen, it was it felt like it feels

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Speaker 4: way different than this. It feels like, Okay, y'all voted

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Speaker 4: for some shit where y'all don't you do not know

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Speaker 4: what you're getting into. Like that was kind of my

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Speaker 4: sentiment that I was like, y'all have no idea what

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Speaker 4: you just signed up for. But this one, they know

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Speaker 4: what they're signing up for. They are, they are, They

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Speaker 4: know what they're signing up for. They know they're signing

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Speaker 4: up for all the bigotry, for all the hate, for

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Speaker 4: all the regressive backrolling of civil rights. They know they're

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Speaker 4: signing up for that, and they signed up for it enthusiastically.

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Speaker 4: Like Trump beat the shit out of Kamala about like

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Speaker 4: six million popular votes, right about like fifty electoral votes.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't even close. And it's like I said, bro,

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Speaker 4: I'm just tired.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 4: There was a part of me like during Trump's first

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Speaker 4: term and I was like, look like this is what

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Speaker 4: y'all want to do. Do y'all not see you know,

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Speaker 4: are y'all feeling a bit stupid for what you signed

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Speaker 4: my whole sentiment during that whole term. And then you know,

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Speaker 4: Biden came along. Biden beat him, And you know, I

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Speaker 4: thought all along that Biden was perhaps the best chance

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Speaker 4: to beat Trump because he was a seventy five year old, moderate,

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Speaker 4: tough on crime, white guy, right like like like, I

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Speaker 4: thought that was the type of candidate that you needed.

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Speaker 4: I was drinking the Kamala kool aid. After she took over.

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Speaker 4: It seemed like the her base was reinvigorator. Like all

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Speaker 4: the numbers said it. You know, they said that there

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Speaker 3: Bro And you know, I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like there's so many things that

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Speaker 4: You can talk about the campaign that Kamala ran, you

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Speaker 4: can you know, nitpick at that. The fact of the

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Speaker 4: matter is this country decisively picked Trump and it's that simple,

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Speaker 4: That's something that we're going to have to realize that

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Speaker 1: Bro twenty sixteen, I was like, it kind of felt

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Speaker 1: like that was going I was like, yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not as confident as everybody else is. I was

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Speaker 1: nowhere near as confident as everybody else was. I was

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Speaker 5: For eight years.

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Speaker 1: Being an album from Missouri. I remember I told you

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Speaker 1: said anybody but Obama. You know what I'm saying. They

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Speaker 1: I thought like Tyler thought, you know what I'm saying that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you see what you're getting into.

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Speaker 1: You know what I thought in twenty twenty, people like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And that's what happened in twenty twenty. And to see

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Speaker 1: popular vote first time since two thousand and four, right, you.

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Speaker 5: Know what I mean, Like, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean for me personally, Like I couldn't sleep last

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know how to I'm a black man.

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Speaker 1: jump off the porch, nigga. You know it's like I

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Speaker 1: was telling y'all part of this, you know, me having

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Speaker 1: so the wildest, dumbest shit. He didn't seemingly nothing right,

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Speaker 1: but he was speaking to a particular group of people

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Speaker 5: You know that felt personal particular way.

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Speaker 1: So I know for me to look her in her face,

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Speaker 1: I just can't get involved every two years and post

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to fight this motherfucking shit and that's

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Speaker 1: anybody got suggests, it's in the chat whatever, you know

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Speaker 2: I think I want to talk a little bit. You

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Speaker 2: guys know, I'm overly have been overly invested, I guess

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Speaker 2: The number one thing to me that's just been sort

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Speaker 5: And y'all mentioned House popular vote electoral Nigga.

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Speaker 2: Y'all mentioned that the Republicans won the popular vote in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and four when George W. Bush raad George W.

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Speaker 2: And what happened was black people showed up to vote

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Speaker 2: for Biden and essentially every other and we're talking about

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Speaker 2: college educated people and black people is the entirety of

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Speaker 2: our podcast obviously, and I think the large majority of

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Speaker 2: our listenership as well. Everyone else voted the other way.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have a forty percent swing in the

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Speaker 2: Latino vote. Democrats didn't know if they had a chance

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Speaker 2: Puerto Ricans swung thirty percent for Trump. After this, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's all the coverage about people being upset about the

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Speaker 2: enough people. He got less votes this year than he

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Speaker 2: he's going to get a couple million less votes, but

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Speaker 2: the Democrats got fifteen to twenty million less votes votes,

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Speaker 2: and the only hope I wouldn't even call it hope,

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Speaker 2: but it is a fact. And I think there is

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Speaker 2: follow the news, we're interested, so we talk about it

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Speaker 5: It was like, Yo, what the fuck is this?

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Speaker 2: Tyler, I especially want to ask you because living in Virginia,

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Speaker 4: It's why nothing he can do will ever sink his

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Speaker 2: I do think that's too Tyler's It's like the Democratic

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Speaker 2: I've talked with Shars about Obama to Trump being the

437
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Speaker 2: a majority white country coming to grips with the fact

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Speaker 2: that it is not going to be majority white for

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Speaker 2: much longer. In nineteen seventy, America was ninety three percent

440
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Speaker 2: white according to its sensus. That number, I think is

441
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Speaker 2: like fifty three to fifty four percent now. And there

442
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Speaker 2: is no such thing historically as a country where that

443
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Speaker 2: kind of a change happens with no conflict. They're just oh, okay,

444
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: you know, this is just the sands of time. But

445
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Speaker 2: my kids are not white. Most of the white people

446
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Speaker 2: I know who have kids do not have white kids.

447
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Speaker 2: They have mixed rates kids, either with black or with Hispanic,

448
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: with Asian whatever else. And I do think like that's

449
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Speaker 2: why they're talking about deporting immigrants. That's why they're talking

450
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Speaker 2: about that stuff. They're fighting a demogram change that's not fightable.

451
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Speaker 2: There's nothing they can do about that. And so that

452
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Speaker 2: to me is the big question mark because of what

453
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Speaker 2: Tyler said there is white people do have power, and

454
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Speaker 2: white people do believe in white supremacy. So what does

455
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Speaker 2: that mean when that number goes under fifty percent, when

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Speaker 2: it goes to forty five percent, when it goes to

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Speaker 2: forty percent, because that is going to happen and in

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Speaker 2: our lifetimes. So I don't have I don't have an

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Speaker 2: answer to that question.

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Speaker 5: What happens.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no. And I'm not even suggesting it'll be

462
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Speaker 2: good when it happens. I'm not even suggesting. I'm not

463
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Speaker 2: even suggesting that. I'm just saying it is happening. And

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Speaker 2: so I think to your point, John, about we have

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Speaker 2: to change what we're looking at like that that change

466
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Speaker 2: is happening. And so the question is you get down

467
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Speaker 2: to white people are forty percent of the country, if

468
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Speaker 2: they still control everything that looks really bad, that doesn't

469
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Speaker 2: happen without it being enforced in a particular type of way.

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Speaker 2: So that that, to me is that's the wheel of

471
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Speaker 2: history that we can all put one hand on. Is

472
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Speaker 2: what does that transition look like? And how do we

473
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Speaker 2: make it so that it doesn't look like what happened yesterday?

474
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Speaker 2: And I don't have an answer to that question. But

475
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Speaker 2: that's one of the biggest things to me trying to

476
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Speaker 2: think about the scope of our whole life and our kids'

477
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Speaker 2: lives that I'm trying to get my head around right now.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the thing about white supremacy is it's not

479
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Speaker 4: only white people who advocate for it. You know, we

480
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Speaker 4: saw the swing of Latino votes this election because you know,

481
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Speaker 4: like I said, with white supremacy, like so many people

482
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Speaker 4: don't necessarily want to dismount to white supremacy. They want

483
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Speaker 4: to benefit from it the same way white people do. Right,

484
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Speaker 4: And you know, to John's question in regards to what

485
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Speaker 4: we do about that, I thought when Kamala first took

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Speaker 4: the keys and they came out with that weird messaging,

487
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Speaker 4: I was like, this feels groundbreaking because for so often

488
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Speaker 4: Democrats they just leaned on the side of hey, black

489
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Speaker 4: and brown people and gay people, we're people too.

490
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Speaker 3: And you should respect us. And then they pivoted.

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Speaker 4: They went to, bro, you don't like people because of

492
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Speaker 4: their skin color, their sexual orientation, You're weird.

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Speaker 3: And I thought that was I thought that.

494
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Speaker 4: Was winning messaging right there, right because it it it

495
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Speaker 4: it It felt like the Democratic Party was on the

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Speaker 4: offensive for like the first time in decades to me.

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Speaker 4: But but yeah, it's it's you know, like Mike said,

498
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Speaker 4: it's for sure the the the GOP scrambling because they

499
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Speaker 4: this country is becoming less and less white, and they're

500
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Speaker 4: their voting base is fucking you know, ninety five percent

501
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Speaker 4: white or what have you, and dog and it's it's

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Speaker 4: just I don't know, I don't know how you combat it, because,

503
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Speaker 4: like I said, it's not just white people who are

504
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Speaker 4: carrying the torch for it.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I think if you had said that after

506
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Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, Republicans doubled down on winning over

507
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Speaker 2: Latino votes, you'd say that was pretty shrewd. There's the

508
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Speaker 2: fastest growing part of the country. There are in communities

509
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Speaker 2: mine some natural tensions between black people and Hispanic people,

510
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Speaker 2: and Republicans are going to try and exploit that, and

511
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Speaker 2: they're going to be the party of, you know, do

512
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Speaker 2: of trying to serve that community. But I feel like

513
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Speaker 2: they've done the opposite of that.

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Speaker 1: They didn't what they what do they speak to that

515
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Speaker 1: would make you think that they would have won the

516
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Speaker 1: Latino vote, right.

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Speaker 2: Like his first speech, his first speech, he's referring to

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Speaker 2: all so he's referring to Mexicans as rapists and criminals,

519
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Speaker 2: and so, you know, to Tyler's point, I do understand,

520
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Speaker 2: and I think actually in some ways, even though it's

521
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Speaker 2: a larger wave of immigration, the Mexican wave. Of the

522
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Speaker 2: wave of immigration specifically from Mexico does sort of mirror

523
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Speaker 2: the waves of Europeans of coming over, being othered but

524
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Speaker 2: seeking power by trying to assimilate into whitehood, right into

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Speaker 2: into whiteness.

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Speaker 7: So I do no.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say so. But what's what concerns

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Speaker 2: me is again, I don't feel like their party swarded

529
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Speaker 2: that vote. It just came to them, and that's very.

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Speaker 7: I agree. And I was talking with John about this before.

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Speaker 6: I wish I had saved the name of the or

532
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Speaker 6: the video, or that I could quote the actual person

533
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Speaker 6: who was saying this, but I was just I was

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Speaker 6: seen watching a video before we started about a Latina

535
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Speaker 6: political analyst on some network talking about this this big

536
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Speaker 6: ship Latino and she was saying that with a lot

537
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 6: of people that she's spoken to and a lot of

538
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Speaker 6: like research she's done about the Latino community, is that

539
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Speaker 6: we are now at a point because immigrations has not

540
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Speaker 6: is not new that immigration Latino countries has come into

541
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Speaker 6: this country, that we are.

542
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Speaker 7: Generations into that.

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Speaker 6: So there are people who have been born and their

544
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Speaker 6: parents were born in America. So those people for whatever reason,

545
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 6: not necessarily right or wrong, don't associate themselves and their

546
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 6: ethnic heritage, ethnic identity with this idea of what Trump

547
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 6: is talking about, that those Mexicans are rapist.

548
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 7: They're like, that's not us. We're Americans. We've been here,

549
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Speaker 7: which is not right or wrong even I actually that's

550
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Speaker 7: not it.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's a good or bad thing necessarily,

552
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 6: But it's an interesting point that we are we are

553
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 6: talking about the Latino vote as if they are a monolith,

554
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 6: as if they're if when Donald Trump says their rapists

555
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 6: and suth Puerto Ricans are our garbage, that they're all

556
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Speaker 6: going to treat that as that is my personal life tact,

557
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 6: and that's clearly not true. We are we are seeing

558
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Speaker 6: now definitively.

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Speaker 7: That is not the case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think from twenty twenty to twenty four,

561
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Speaker 1: from like twelve percent in certain places to like her

562
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Speaker 1: losing the race.

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Speaker 2: It's just like there's a there's a there's a blue

564
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: county in Texas that had not voted Republican in eighteen

565
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Speaker 2: since eighteen ninety six, Hispanic that went red. You know,

566
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Speaker 2: like that that's whether you I always there's a lot

567
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Speaker 2: of that analysis, and it's actually the same thing with

568
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Speaker 2: the agent vote Jackson, as you know, right, like Cambodian

569
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: refugees and Long Beach are not really the same as

570
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: third generation Chinese American people in San Francisco. But when

571
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: the number moves that much, it looks like a monolith, right,

572
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Speaker 2: And like when you talk about a forty point swing,

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Speaker 2: and so that to me is the question of that's

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Speaker 2: the question. I mean, that is the question because if

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Speaker 2: that number moves in that direction and does not come back,

576
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Speaker 2: that's it. I mean that like, that's it. And you

577
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: do see stuff in California even that's like not real

578
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: blue state ish California at the I haven't seen updated numbers,

579
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: but as of last night was rejecting a state proposition

580
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Speaker 2: to end involuntary servitude among prisoners.

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Speaker 6: Like you know, California is voting pro slavery in prisons

582
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Speaker 6: and voting against raised minimum WI yep, and.

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Speaker 2: Kicked out And look, I got plenty of issues with

584
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Speaker 2: the DA in La County, but kicked out the DA

585
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Speaker 2: for a more mandatory minimums three strikes DA. I mean

586
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Speaker 2: it's you know, like there are big problems that I

587
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: think we when I say we, I don't mean the

588
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Speaker 2: four of us. I mean as a party. There's big

589
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: problems people have been pretending don't exist. The y'all have

590
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: both talked about your dislike for the people of color

591
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: package a kind of being pushed into that stuff by

592
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party, but you know the way that they

593
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: view people. There are issues that people have with the

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Speaker 2: way that cities are run and homelessness and crime. I

595
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Speaker 2: don't think it's fair to pin that on a political party,

596
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: but that anger, I feel like manifested itself and there's

597
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Speaker 2: no path forward without acknowledging what happened, you know what

598
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Speaker 2: I mean? And I understand everyone is going to look

599
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: at what their sort of favorite political issues are and

600
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Speaker 2: say this is you know what, this is, what happened,

601
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Speaker 2: whatever else. A lot of those narratives, if you actually

602
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: look at the exit polling and the demographic change, a

603
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: lot of those narratives are not true. And like we said,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of conversation about our black people going

605
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Speaker 2: to show up for Kamala Harira. Black people showed up

606
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Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris. College educated white people showed up for Kamla.

607
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: But you have to look at who did not show

608
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Speaker 2: up and figure out where did fifteen twenty million votes go,

609
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: because if you don't get him back, it's not like

610
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Speaker 2: we won by a lot in twenty twenty, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, we didn't know till Saturday, you know,

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Speaker 2: or whatever. So it's and again that's where all of

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Speaker 2: that anxiety over if there's much movement. There's not a

614
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Speaker 2: lot of room for much movement. He won by like

615
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Speaker 2: Biden won by like forty thousand votes or something, you know,

616
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Speaker 2: if you look at the swing stage. So yeah, it's tough. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't really have any other topics.

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Speaker 6: One thing I wanted to I want to say is

619
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Speaker 6: the one one thing that I want to push back

620
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Speaker 6: on a little bit that I've seen people talking about

621
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Speaker 6: on the on the left side, is that Kamala Harris

622
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Speaker 6: ran a flawless campaign. I don't agree with that.

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Speaker 7: I think that, uh not that this was the difference.

624
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Speaker 7: It certainly was not the difference.

625
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Speaker 6: But I do think it's worth noting that I don't

626
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Speaker 6: think she ran a fawlest campaign, and I think that

627
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Speaker 6: I think an argument could be made that the shift

628
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Speaker 6: the shift and the Democratic side to some more middle

629
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Speaker 6: ground talking points to theoretically pitch to those undecided voters backfired,

630
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Speaker 6: And there's arguments to be made that them that the

631
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 6: Democratic Party being pro military, pretty pro military all of

632
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Speaker 6: a sudden, and pretty and pretty having a really aggressive,

633
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Speaker 6: hardline stance on immigration all of a sudden.

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Speaker 7: There's an argument to be made.

635
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Speaker 6: I don't know, there's an argument to be made that

636
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 6: that normalized Republican talking points and alienated people on on

637
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 6: the left because that one you think that Trump always

638
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 6: talks about is as part of the immigration crisis, is

639
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 6: that they're bringing fentanyel across the board, that they are

640
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 6: the cause of the opioid crisis in America. That is

641
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 6: unequivocally false. Every piece of data says that it's unequivocally

642
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 6: and completely and totally false that less than five percent

643
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Speaker 6: of the fence in America is coming across the board.

644
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Speaker 7: It is false.

645
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Speaker 6: But we still have people on the left not saying that,

646
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Speaker 6: not screaming that that's that's a lie. That they're saying

647
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Speaker 6: we need to fix immigration, which I'm not saying the

648
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 6: immigration system is perfect now, but to not point out

649
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 6: the lot the incorrectness the falseness of some of these

650
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 6: Republican talking points and to instead sort of be like, yeah,

651
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Speaker 6: they're kind of right like and hope that that's drawing

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Speaker 6: over the moderate voters. Whether or not that was the

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Speaker 6: difference in the election, I don't know, but it's it

654
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Speaker 6: that a backfired.

655
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Speaker 2: I think your argument that it backfired is correct because

656
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Speaker 2: they lost it is it is provably the case that

657
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Speaker 2: they did not lose the election because they didn't pull

658
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Speaker 2: in enough left wing voters, right right, Like, that's that

659
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Speaker 2: that that's not that's not what Now. That does highlight

660
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Speaker 2: the moral point that you're bringing up of. If you

661
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Speaker 2: if you were going to lose every moderate voter in

662
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Speaker 2: the country, if independence were going to break towards Trump,

663
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Speaker 2: then you may as well have been saying what is

664
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Speaker 2: true and what is morally correct anywhere? Right And I

665
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Speaker 2: would one hundred percent agree with you on that. But

666
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Speaker 2: the opioid thing is the exact like opioid crisis is

667
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: because of a lack of governmental regulation around a new

668
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Speaker 2: class of highly addicted drug And we've all elected the

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Speaker 2: most anti regulatory president of our lifetimes with the Supreme

670
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Speaker 2: Court that will happily gut any regulation that he wants

671
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Speaker 2: to gut. Like that is the that's the exact representation.

672
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Speaker 2: But I do feel like immigration for them was what

673
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Speaker 2: abortion was for us. They felt like that was their

674
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Speaker 2: big culture war issue. We felt like abortion was I

675
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: thought it was. I thought the elector was gonna be

676
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: fifty five percent women, and women were going to go

677
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Speaker 2: fifty six forty four for Democrats because of abortion. And

678
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Speaker 2: I think nationally abortion was like ten or eleven percent

679
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: said abortion was the most important issue to them, and

680
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Speaker 2: it was the same thing with immigration. It just was.

681
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Speaker 2: The economy was thirty thirty three to thirty six percent everywhere,

682
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Speaker 2: and so I don't you know anyway, Yeah, but again

683
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Speaker 2: just looking at numbers, and when you lose a football game,

684
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Speaker 2: you're correct to blame everyone who was part of losing it,

685
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I agree with you

686
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Speaker 2: people saying she ran a fowless campaign, as goofy, it's

687
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Speaker 2: not why she lost the election, But no one's ever

688
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: run a flawless campaign, especially not in the Democratic Party.

689
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Speaker 2: Whereas John has pointed out, you're trying to pull in

690
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Speaker 2: this huge tent of people who genuinely believe very different things.

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Speaker 7: And she also only had a few months to do it.

692
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that as like a ginormous shot at Kambala, Like,

693
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Speaker 6: it is fair to be like she had a very

694
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Speaker 6: limited time, she had to let people know who she is.

695
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Speaker 6: All of these things are true, it'll be true at once.

696
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Speaker 6: But just to say that, like he was not a

697
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Speaker 6: FAS campaign, let's stop categorizing that such.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm totally with Jackson.

699
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Speaker 4: Like, you know, I mentioned before how much I love

700
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Speaker 4: the weird messaging right because it was it was you know,

701
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Speaker 4: the Republicans tried to reduce it to just like, you know,

702
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Speaker 4: childhood bullying or whatever, but they were.

703
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Speaker 3: Making a very valid point with that messaging.

704
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Speaker 4: They're making the point that most Americans are not filled

705
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Speaker 4: with hate because of your skin color, because of your

706
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Speaker 4: sexual orientation. Most Americans want a good job, they want

707
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Speaker 4: to be able to buy a house, they want you know,

708
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Speaker 4: affordable healthcare.

709
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Speaker 3: That's what most Americans want.

710
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Speaker 4: Most Americans are not consumed by hate as the Republican

711
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: Party is pitching to people.

712
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Speaker 2: Right.

713
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Speaker 3: I thought that was a.

714
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Speaker 4: Very winning message. And then they pivoted off that right like,

715
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Speaker 4: and I feel like you cannot call that part. You

716
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 4: cannot come out there and assert that the Republican Party

717
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 4: is so consumed with hate that it's becoming bizarre. And

718
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 4: weird now and then say that you know you would

719
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 4: have a Republican in your cabinet, and then you know,

720
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Speaker 4: do all of this reaching across to the right. And

721
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Speaker 4: I saw the numbers came out that ninety six percent

722
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Speaker 4: of registered Republicans voted Republican in twenty twenty. Ninety six

723
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Speaker 4: percent of registered Republicans voted Republican in twenty twenty four.

724
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Speaker 1: Like, you're not gonna win that side over, bro, I

725
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think they're consumed by hate. But

726
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Speaker 1: it's interesting to see that having morals is an option,

727
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, by not just by by

728
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Speaker 1: like you know, undecided voters like I don't give a

729
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: fuck about social issues if the economy is not where

730
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Speaker 1: I needed to be, you know what I mean? Right,

731
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Speaker 1: And I can I can understand that, you know what

732
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Speaker 1: I mean, Like being able to buy food if you

733
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Speaker 1: have a family is paramount, you know what I mean,

734
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Speaker 1: Gas prices if you make a decision is like that,

735
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Speaker 1: that's paramount. H But just they're not consumed by hate,

736
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: but they don't mind a little hate if they feel

737
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Speaker 1: like the economy isn't leaning their way. And that's wild

738
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Speaker 1: to me. That's being that I don't know the things

739
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: he said he was speaking to are not going to

740
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Speaker 1: help the economy.

741
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Speaker 2: Right well, and that's the that's the.

742
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Speaker 7: It's crazy.

743
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Speaker 2: But but I want to be clear, he's not the

744
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: economy candidate. He's running against the economy that exists, right.

745
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

746
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: I mean.

747
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Speaker 6: Just John and I were talking about every country in

748
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 6: the world got hit with massive inflation. Very easy I

749
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Speaker 6: find to point to that and be like, that is

750
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 6: nobody's fault. There are things that were done that you

751
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 6: could say, maybe could have been done better.

752
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 5: This is a global issues.

753
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Speaker 6: This is a global issue that America did relative to

754
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Speaker 6: other countries, did it decently in inflation?

755
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Speaker 2: But you you bring me to be because I think

756
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: we are all to an extent bringing up the lens

757
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: through which we view things. The lens through which I

758
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: view things is people have rightly criticized the media for

759
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: the way that this race was covered. I think it's

760
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: a more deeply existential problem. And then I don't really

761
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: think that we have a media.

762
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Speaker 1: We don't have a way recovered since it started with

763
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Speaker 1: Fox News.

764
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Speaker 2: You know, in my opinion twenty something years ago, when

765
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: there was a commitment made that has now been proven

766
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: in court to intentionally misinform people in a in a

767
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: large scale way.

768
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Speaker 5: But he thought Fox News was crazy. I remember people

769
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 5: thought Fox News was crazy when he was talking about

770
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Speaker 5: like I mean, like it was they got the rating

771
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Speaker 5: didn't work.

772
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but yes, but like anti vaccination talk was

773
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: like what the fuck are you know?

774
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 5: Like it was you know what I mean?

775
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: And how that has been popularized since that time period,

776
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, how he is like you know,

777
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: pulled the rug up under, up under you know, uh,

778
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, fact based journalism.

779
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 5: How you know what I'm saying. And now every we're el.

780
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Speaker 1: You feel me, there's there's there's confusion over things that

781
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: there was never confusion over prior to twenty sixteen, Right,

782
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: people were just like regardless of what size you side

783
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: you're on, you were reasonable about this part. And it

784
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, since then, it has not been

785
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Speaker 1: the same.

786
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Speaker 2: No, And and we've we've discussed this, like with the

787
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 2: with the what's happened in Gaza, John, Like I've seen

788
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: people who I hate to even say, like both sides

789
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: of the issue or something, Like I've seen so many

790
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: friends share misinformation to prove whatever point they feel and

791
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: and that's the that is the world we live in.

792
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: And I think that's the part that we can't wrap

793
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: our heads around. Is after the Kent State shooting, what

794
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: happens if all of the media is not run by

795
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: liberal leaning gatekeepers who say this was a tragedy that

796
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: these kids were killed by a United States, the United

797
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: you know, like, what happens if that is presented in

798
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: a media environment that says good, they got what they deserved.

799
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: Because like that, like that is what scares me, because

800
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: that's what feels like is going to happen to me.

801
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: I don't trust that we have a way of communicating

802
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: facts to people over the next four years about what

803
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: is Like Jackson brought up the the Trump campaign saying

804
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: that you know, immigrants are bringing in opioids or bringing

805
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: in fentanyl. How do you tell people that that's not true?

806
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: It's not true. How do you tell people that? How

807
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: do you tell millions of people who googled on election

808
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 2: day who's running for president? How do you reach those

809
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: people When there is no longer mass media, there is

810
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: no longer monoculture, and there is no ability to communicate

811
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: with people other than with like football games. I guess

812
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: that's the only thing anyone I was watching at the

813
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: same time, and there isn't an answer to that question.

814
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: Social media has made it worse. Social media is owned

815
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: by Elon Musk, who said he would do everything he

816
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: could to get Donald Trump elected. Yes, constantly, we saw

817
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 2: that on the homepage. It is owned by Mark Zuckerberg,

818
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: who already backed off of like, hey, we're not gonna

819
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: label anything as disinformation or anything else. I'm not trying

820
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: to step on any toes because Trump said he was

821
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: gonna throw him in a fucking gulag, so like that

822
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: already happened. That's not a threat. That's the traditionally the

823
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: tools by which you would try to undo some of

824
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: this stuff or fight some of this stuff. And that's what,

825
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: to me is one of the most scary parts of

826
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Speaker 2: looking at the next four years is I don't know

827
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: what even a step back to combat that.

828
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Speaker 3: I really don't and.

829
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Speaker 1: Thinking about it too, like when there were Sandy Hook

830
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: truthers in twenty twelve, like shit was going a particular

831
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: way at that point, and.

832
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 2: The only way to fight any of that is the court,

833
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: which is not going to be available now.

834
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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, right, right, right, But.

835
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I leave it there.

836
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Speaker 1: I mean, this ain't this ain't a Disney movie, my nigga.

837
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Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying.

838
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: Love doesn't always win, my nigga. Like sometimes hate beat

839
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: your motherfucking ass.

840
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 5: You feel what I'm saying.

841
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: Like, that's why I said I gotta come back that

842
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: ship because I just can't. I can't raise two kids,

843
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: especially a black daughter. You feel me in the world

844
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: and just allow that to happen. So, yeah, I don't

845
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: know what the chat looking like.

846
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 6: Jackson pretty supportive and then there's a couple, uh, not

847
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 6: so supportive people.

848
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Speaker 5: Okay, okay.

849
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: For the people that want to create change, I mean

850
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: that if you, if you, if you follow me or whatever,

851
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: send me and hit me in the DMS whatever about

852
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: play things that I could really lock in with.

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00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I'm trying to be outside.

854
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 5: I'm not.

855
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm not just you know the just reading Twitter type shit.

856
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean I do all of that. You feel me

857
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to be outside and make change in

858
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: real ways, you know what I mean.

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00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 5: So with people who are trying to at least I

860
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 5: can say I try. You feel me, But Yeah, I

861
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 5: gotta jump off the port with ship. You know what

862
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 5: I'm saying. It's hard looking so me in the face

863
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 5: this month. Keep the mean.

864
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: All right. We will be back on Friday morning. Uh,

865
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Speaker 2: and we will see y'all then.

866
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: Bye Aye.

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Speaker 4: The volume