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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere Dalks. Look at this now. Tip to Tim.

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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's hump day. Hi everyone, this is Morning Combat

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Speaker 2: Wednesday edition, midweek combat sports talk from yours truly. My

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Speaker 2: name is Luke Thomas. I'm one half of your hosting

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Speaker 2: duo right here in the capital of astat As Nitas

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Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. Joined by my hetero life mate

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Speaker 2: and editorial partner, King of Connecticut. Well, he's looking a

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Speaker 2: little down in the dumps. I don't know what's going

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Speaker 2: on there, Brian Campbell, Hi, Brian, why are you looking

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Speaker 2: so forlorn? My friend?

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Speaker 3: Just you know, I've just been grinding Luke, Okay, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I necessarily car carry an aura

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Speaker 3: of sadness, but I am one half of.

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Speaker 2: We definitely carry an aura of sadness. Don't be under

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Speaker 2: any other I'm.

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Speaker 3: One half of a multi award winning best damn combat

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Speaker 3: sports show period, Luke. So I got a lot to

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Speaker 3: be excited for. And also, are those new frames you're

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Speaker 3: rocking out in the free world.

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Speaker 2: Yea, I noticed that the glasses I've been using weren't

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Speaker 2: getting the trick done like they used to. Went back

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Speaker 2: to the eye doctor. Sure enough, my vision is continuing

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Speaker 2: to fade. So these are a new pair.

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Speaker 3: All right, A stronger coke bottle variety of lens. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate that at this age.

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Speaker 2: I tried to get a fully clear one because my

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Speaker 2: I figured it's got most of what them with. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you like them, well, ho would you raise it? I

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Speaker 2: do like them.

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Speaker 3: I do like them, And just like you know, the

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Speaker 3: late Michael Jackson when talking about his baby, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter if your rims are black or white, Luke, and

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Speaker 3: they happen to be both. So that's very progressive for

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Well, happy to see you. We

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Speaker 2: have actually a fair amount to get to. No singular

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Speaker 2: major story that we're fully aware of, although we have

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Speaker 2: top here, but we're gonna talk. Let's see about some

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Speaker 2: of the Hamzat drama Aspen lad to PFL. We've got

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Speaker 2: some drama over in England related to a boxing fight

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Speaker 2: and anti doping getting in the way here a little bit,

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Speaker 2: I suppose it, depending on one's perspective.

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Speaker 3: Among other things, among other things, that we're threatening to

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Speaker 3: derail that fight to begin with Luke.

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Speaker 2: Right, fair enough, a bit of a rough run for

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Speaker 2: Matchroom in twenty twenty two as it continues anyway, So

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Speaker 2: we'll get to all of that shit you're gonna get.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna get some blokes after you for that when

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Speaker 3: they are sick of your of your constant Eddie Hearn

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Speaker 2: I routinely say Eddie Hearn is a great promoter and

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Speaker 2: I like his shows. I just wasn't sure about his

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Speaker 2: American footprint. And I think it's pretty fair to say

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Speaker 2: the American one. If that's what people are really getting

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, look just a conduit of the people, A

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Speaker 2: I know, but I like this. I'm not even doing

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Speaker 2: a bit like I genuinely like Eddie Hearn is a promoter.

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Speaker 2: I think he does by and large, a very amendable job,

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Speaker 2: by the way, if you like the Corey Anderson RSD,

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Speaker 3: Luke and I interviewing Deontay Wilder, who's making a big

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the thing about you and I is maybe

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Speaker 3: People say, hey, you guys win all these awards because

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Speaker 3: one day Luke will take it to only MK. Only

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Speaker 2: But before we hit topic umber one, we really should

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Speaker 2: hit this breaking news BCID. I want to pitch it

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Speaker 3: But this is yeah, I mean whatever, I guess they're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wow. My only take from this is,

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Speaker 2: You know. It's amazing. I've found out that the only

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Speaker 2: Not really sure what to make of it. There was

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Speaker 2: to him, BC, are you buying or selling that Hamzad

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy it, Luke, you know, do I have

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Speaker 3: that deep information to prove it. No, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Let's call them what they are, murderous dictators.

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Speaker 3: That's what Ramzan Kadirov is who we're talking about at

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Speaker 2: Well. Interestingly, what Cambachi also reported was that CHIMAIAV was

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, I in no way want to impugne

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, Luke, because MMA promoters do the same thing

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Speaker 2: The time, right WI. All I'm saying is he could

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Speaker 2: No one really at that UFC level, right, No one

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Speaker 2: Yet, right, fair enough. My only concern would be that

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Speaker 3: Luke, let's talk to jamaiav on more of a macro

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Speaker 3: coming back and proving that he can make welterweight and

431
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Speaker 3: get back into that title picture. But it does feel

432
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 3: like that Friday, the day before he was scheduled to

433
00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,200
Speaker 3: fight Na Diaz, he he was on top of the world,

434
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 3: being given the ultimate showcase opportunity against the fading legend

435
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 3: on the way out that would have groomed him for

436
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 3: crossover superstardom and an immediate title shot against the winner

437
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 3: of Edward zan Usman if they do that trilogy. And now,

438
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,439
Speaker 3: after missing weight by so many pounds and having that

439
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 3: sort of the weird way it played out with his

440
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 3: demeanor on the microphone being so dismissive, now this report,

441
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 3: you do have to wonder if we're in the midst

442
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 3: of a sort of monumental turn of events in the

443
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 3: direction in his career appeared to be heading. Maybe it's nothing.

444
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 3: Maybe he gets back there and you know, within six

445
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 3: months proves to us he can make one seventy and

446
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 3: gets a title shot. Or maybe not, Luke, maybe this

447
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 3: is the turning point on somebody that looked like the

448
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,160
Speaker 3: kind of can't miss. I mean, I know we're talking

449
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 3: about bo Nicols of high regard now of course, and

450
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: Pico had a huge rise. Even John Jones to a

451
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 3: certain degree was labeled so early as God, you're looking

452
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 3: at a future champion, you know in bloom here, are

453
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: you worried that, like he may never return to that

454
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Speaker 3: where he was just you know, an hour before stepping

455
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Speaker 3: on that scale to face Nate.

456
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Speaker 2: I will tell you it's a great question, and I

457
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 2: will tell you the direct answer to your question is

458
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, But I will tell you, aligned with

459
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,959
Speaker 2: that a thought I did have, which is that sometimes,

460
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 2: you know, I've been around covering MMA for quite some time,

461
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: and some guys have you know, most guys don't have

462
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: very long careers. Most are in and out pretty quickly.

463
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: But sometimes guys have a surprisingly long career, like someone

464
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: like Clay Guida still being around is pretty impressive. You

465
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 2: know that he can be this senior in his career still,

466
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: you know, somewhat relevant and doing pretty interesting things, and

467
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: that's very commendable. But some guys are just you know,

468
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: it's like like like brock Lesner, he was yeah, he

469
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: had the UFC two hundred things, but really he had

470
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Speaker 2: that short burst of whatever. Here is my hunch, and

471
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Speaker 2: I don't know which way it's going to go. I

472
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 2: just don't feel like Hamzat's career is built for the

473
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Speaker 2: law like one way or the other. The craziness and

474
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: unusual circumstances surrounding him make me feel like I don't

475
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: think it's coming to an impending crash or something. That's

476
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Speaker 2: not what I'm saying. But if you had to ask me,

477
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: am I gonna be covering? If I'm covering fights at

478
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: all in fifteen years, let's assume whoever is sort of

479
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: standard MMA media in fifteen years or even ten in

480
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: ten years, are we really gonna be covering Hamzat Chimayev's fights.

481
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: I have a I'm skeptical of that. To be candid

482
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Speaker 2: with you, is that is that a fair suspicion on

483
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Speaker 2: my part? BC.

484
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Speaker 3: I don't know what to expect here, Luke. This is

485
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 3: a weird situation all all things considered, everything that's happened

486
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 3: to Hamza of late. I mean, even if you go

487
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: back to look, I'm not but I'm not gonna hide

488
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 3: it here. What happened during the pandemic with him like

489
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 3: almost retiring and then do we retiring? That's weird as shit, Luke.

490
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 3: That's that's unresolved in my eyes in terms of how

491
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 3: that affects him as a fighter. I think all that

492
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 3: did play into what happened with this weight situation. I

493
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: don't really tend to believe that there was some back

494
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 3: room like, hey, let's not fuck overnate this, Hey Hamsa,

495
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 3: you're just gonna go, you know, fake a weight miss. No,

496
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: they didn't do that. But something, something weird has been

497
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 3: going on, Luke, is that the pressures of living up

498
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 3: to this as being, you know, tab the next big

499
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: thing and potentially having the weight of Chechnl behind him

500
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 3: and all that that comes with being a favored son

501
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: in that area with that type of leader. I don't know, Luke,

502
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: but it is a story to watch very closely in

503
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: terms of how long this could keep him out, what

504
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 3: direction he's going personally and inside the cage. It's it's

505
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 3: it's bizarre, but Luke, you know, that's combat sports. I mean,

506
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 3: are you ever surprised by this absolute daily barrage of

507
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 3: boilshit that we weed through trying to find the corn

508
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: within the fecal matter. This is combat sports, Luke. At

509
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: the end of the day, you get used to the smell, right.

510
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: I think that's true. And I just think if you're

511
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 2: gonna work in this industry, or even just be around

512
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: it as a fan for a long period of time,

513
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 2: you really come away with the conclusion that you just

514
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: can't ever expect sustain normalcy. It doesn't work for whatever reason.

515
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: You've got crazy people doing a crazy sport.

516
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't. I don't even want to let

517
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: another week go by without reiterating Dana White just shut

518
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: down media and fans to the damn live sporting event

519
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: to allow a rich friend to have a you know,

520
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: he met. Look, there's a chance he caught whatever Latifi

521
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: was selling. Luke, what was that staff? I mean, there's

522
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: a chance. I mean, I'd love to see Zuckerberg's chest

523
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 3: to see if it looks like Kevin Lee's against Tony Ferguson.

524
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: But short of me getting those picks, Luke, we're already

525
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 3: in Weirdoville. I mean, this is fucking bizarre as shit, right, Like,

526
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: there's no explanation, there's no press release from the UFC.

527
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,479
Speaker 3: It's just now he was our buddy, so we decided

528
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 3: to give him a fun night out without upesky scumback

529
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: media around. I mean, what a bizarre set of circumstances.

530
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: In general, Luke get used to it. Swim through the fecal,

531
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Speaker 3: it's what we do in this part.

532
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Speaker 2: All right?

533
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: With that?

534
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: I certainly agree with that, And it's also interesting that,

535
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: like the larger media didn't pick up on it. Well,

536
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, there's a lot of talking heads

537
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: at ESPN that are very concerned about making sure there

538
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: is you know, their progressive values seen in sport. They

539
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: don't have a thing to say about UFC nothing, ever.

540
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: So are you saying that like Stephen A. Smith and

541
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: no people on that level.

542
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying like, I'm not even making a declaration.

543
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean, these people cover what they cover. I'm just saying,

544
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: if they were at all interested in consistency across the

545
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: ESPN ecosystem, they seem very selective about their targets, right,

546
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: Like a Sarah Spain for example, very selective about the targets,

547
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 2: and maybe she's like, I don't know anything about combat sports.

548
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to cover it. Yeah, okay, fine, I

549
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: mean that's that's a very defensible position. But the things

550
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: that they do not tolerate in the sports that they cover,

551
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: they just seem utterly willing to ignore far worse versions

552
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, in a related sport. It also airs

553
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: on their channel. Anyway, we got to move on BC.

554
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Speaker 3: I don't we have to show them Dana's ran against

555
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 3: Loretta Hunt and see their take. Luke, but that was

556
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: a long time ago, right.

557
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: Long time ago, and he doesn't talk that way of

558
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: any more of what I can tell. But yeah, okay,

559
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: fair enough, all right. Topic number two, good news, very

560
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: good news, very good news. Devison Figuredo versus Brandon Mareno.

561
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: Four.

562
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: It is booked. This is scheduled to be at UFC

563
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: two eighty three in the UFC's return to Brazil, which

564
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: of course, will happen on the twenty first of January

565
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Now, just as a reminder, first fight

566
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: was a draw. Second fight Mareno. One via rear naked choke.

567
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: Third fight Figuredo one via decision somewhat disputed but not really,

568
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: I think that was a pretty fair one. A bit

569
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: of a stat here, BC no fighters have fought four

570
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: times exclusively under the UFC banner. Now, of course, Arlavsky

571
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: and Tim Silvia had three fights, the last one of

572
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: which took place in one championship. Vanderley and Rampage had

573
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: four fights, but two were in Pride, one was in UFC,

574
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: one was in Bellatour. So they had the four meetings,

575
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: but never consistently under the banner. Your reaction to the

576
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Speaker 2: UFC pulling the trigger on the fourth fight between these

577
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: two very elite flyway talents.

578
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 3: I've come back around. Why because the proof is in

579
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: the put in there, Floyd. When they fight, you know,

580
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: amazing things happen. They are made for each other in

581
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 3: so many ways, and this rivalry has had such exciting

582
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: chapters that it just seems right right now in this

583
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 3: regard the work, there were points of customer fatigue which

584
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 3: can happen. I mean, Pachiel Morales is the best boxing

585
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: equivalent to this type of high level four fight, you know,

586
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: I mean this kind of stuff that we didn't see

587
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: in boxing since the nineteen fifties and sixties, when guys

588
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: would fight each other six, seven times that had customer

589
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 3: fatigue in it, yet found a way to keep entertaining us. Yeah,

590
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: let's do it, Luke, because this era of the post

591
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: Demetrius Johnson and will always throw Henry S. Tajudo in there,

592
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: who may or may not have saved this division from

593
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: being eliminated. I thought, you know, Figeredo would be our hero.

594
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 3: I thought he would be our new lethal face. Then

595
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 3: it look no Mexico's Brandon moreno Is. But they flip

596
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: flop enough and show how perfect they are for each other,

597
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 3: that this era is about them and they will go

598
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: in the history books after these four or I don't know,

599
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 3: five six, how long we going in this series. They're

600
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 3: gonna be linked with each other forever. And if you've

601
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: watched any of the first three, maybe maybe save for

602
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 3: how one sided the second fight was, although you gotta

603
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: give him Marino credit in that regard. Yeah, Luke, I'm

604
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: here for it. And the other news linked with this

605
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 3: is that Alexandri Pantosia will be the uh, the replacement

606
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: who will weigh in and be ready, you know, as

607
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: the potential alternate for this fight. I mean the way

608
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: that you would argue against this is if there's somebody

609
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: else super deserving and if we are at a point

610
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: in the rivalry where we don't have closure and you

611
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: kind of need to see it again. I gotta be honest,

612
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: Triggaraedo win in that fight, you know, coming back the

613
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: way he did and it being a close decision, there's

614
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 3: there's no closure here. I mean, who look, I'd love

615
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: to put ascar Askarov in here, but he didn't win.

616
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: Luke okay, So that is where we're at.

617
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Pantojo would be the guy if you were looking for

618
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: a fresh contender in that way. I think that's pretty fair.

619
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: I mean, but here's the thing, dude, Moreno didn't beat

620
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: Kay car France. He stopped him and had to rally

621
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: a little bit. If you recall, like Kai car France

622
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: was doing really well in that fight, especially relative to

623
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: the first time they fought. I thought he had a

624
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: great strategy, was largely executing, and Moreno found a way

625
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: to just fold him with that body kick that was

626
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: pretty huh right when very yes, super solid win. But BC,

627
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: here's what kind of occurs to me about this fight,

628
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: and you would appreciate this more coming from the boxing

629
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: side of things. Now, boxing's more established, and this isn't

630
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: quite true, but here's what I mean. Obviously, when four guys,

631
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: or excuse me, when two guys fight four times, it's

632
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: gonna mostly revolve around what it means for their legacy,

633
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: how that rivalry raises their careers. But I also feel

634
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: like this will go down as a very important part

635
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: in the history of flyweight. Most notably though, what is

636
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: also an important part about the history of flyweight was

637
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: previously that the UFC decimated it and then saved it

638
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: kind of at the last minute with the what they

639
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: ultimately chose to do, but they let a lot of

640
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: the talent just bleed out and go away. Why do

641
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: I bring this up? Well, what I mean to say

642
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: is it's not only a great fight. There is the

643
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: unresolved sort of status between who is better between them.

644
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: There's a lot involved there. I also think one way

645
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: to really help again this fight by itself or the

646
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: four by themselves, even that doesn't do it, but as

647
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: a building block in the process of helping to really

648
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: solidify flyweight, to rebuild flywaight to you to make some

649
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: history around the flyweight division. What's one big component of

650
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: the UFC's flyw history of course it's Demetrius Johnson, no

651
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: doubt about it. Here's another big piece. It's things like

652
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: this that actually help fly weight solidify itself. And of

653
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: course there's more involved about going into places like China

654
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: and Latin America where you can recruit fighters more naturally

655
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: sized for these kinds of weight classes, those sorts of things. Yes,

656
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: there are much bigger stories to in play here, but

657
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: I just mean to say, be seen. If you disagree,

658
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: by all means, tell me I really believe this kind

659
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: of thing helps. And yes, the UFC, you know, bled

660
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: out Flywaight a while ago. But it takes a while

661
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: to build a division. It takes some time. You have

662
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: to build stories, you have to build drama, you have

663
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: to build history. You can do that really well when

664
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: you have two guys paired this closely and importantly at

665
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: the top. It's a firm belief that I have and you.

666
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: Nailed it about the point on Mareno beating Kaikar Franz

667
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: KK Franz was rising. He seemed to be the next guy.

668
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: They gave him a chance to become the next guy.

669
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: Even what that was an interim title if I'm correct, right,

670
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: Luke in that fight that's right. So they gave him

671
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: the chance. He didn't get it done moreno's time, let's

672
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: do it, man, I do I've really it's like it's

673
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: it's never gonna be shade against DJ. He did nothing

674
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: but be dominant and arguably act like the greatest fighter

675
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: who's ever stepped in the cage. I mean, his some

676
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: of his you know, records are gonna be still gonna

677
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: be hard to topple for a while. But post DJ,

678
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: Flywaight has been fantastic, Luke, you know it has. It's

679
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: been great.

680
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of am sad that Suhuda moved on

681
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: to bant Wait and then to retirement as quickly as

682
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: he did. I wonder what he could have done if

683
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: he stuck around. But I just mean is like, you know,

684
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: what's the best thing to happen to flyweight post Demitrius

685
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: Johnson and you know which which coincided with the blood letting,

686
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: I'd argue it's this rivalry. I think this is the

687
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 2: best thing that flyweight has had going since that time. Now,

688
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: of course, there are other fighters who are doing well.

689
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: We mentioned that the standby is Pantojia great, He's doing

690
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: really well. Kay Car Franz fell short in his last fight,

691
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: but I still think he's a really tough, very elite

692
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: level flyweight. There's a lot of good things happening at flyweight,

693
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: but the very best thing that's happened are these two

694
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: guys making their fights must see TV around this weight

695
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: class and then showcasing what this weight class is capable of.

696
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: Big power submissions, great cardio, great durability, great rivalry. This

697
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: is a great advertisement for what elite flyweight fighting can be,

698
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: to say nothing of what it means for each guy's

699
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: respective career. I think that's important to just observe for

700
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: on a show like this.

701
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: Agreed, Agreed, Luke. I love celebrating men. That's what we

702
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: do on this show. It's a bunch of men talking

703
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: about men to listeners that are largely men.

704
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: It's just it's just, yes, it's a man circle jerk

705
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: weird it is.

706
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: It's raining in fact, Yeah, thank you.

707
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: All right, b C. I don't know how interested you

708
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: are in this. I will tell you I'm interested, you know,

709
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: can't say that. It's like, well, let me just get

710
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: to the story. Alistair Overream is back now He's not

711
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: back in MMA, although that's not done yet. I got

712
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: a quote I want to read you. But Glory is

713
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: back in action this weekend and it's going to be

714
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 2: Alistair overreeim taking on batter Harry three. Now, if you're

715
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: a hardcore fan, you guys already know this. They fought twice.

716
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: Batter Harry is something of a bad boy of kickboxing.

717
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: He's this, you know, well hulking figure. He's Dutch, but

718
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: I think Moroccan natively. And you know, he is just

719
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: a crazy person, balls out fighter. He's got some tremendous wins,

720
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: he's got some brutal knockout losses. He's kind of an

721
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: interesting and sort of polarizing, controversial figure in the sport.

722
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: And he's got history with Overreams. So they first bet

723
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: at K one Dynamite in December of two thousand and eight,

724
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: where oveream flatlined him. Harry returned the favorite the K

725
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: one World Grand Prix in December of two thousand and nine.

726
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: And I think there have been previous attempts to make

727
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: this fight happen and they couldn't do it. Now Overreams

728
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: spoke about it. Quote, I do love grappling, I do

729
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: love MMA, but I think it's just more of a

730
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: complete art striking and grappling and strength and conditioning. I

731
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: like the less limitations To answer the question, my goals

732
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: are batter I'm gonna smash him. Then I'm gonna smash Rico.

733
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: He's talking about Rico Verhouven, the existing champion, arguably pound

734
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: for pound best in the sport. And then you know,

735
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: maybe one more in MMA, But for now the goal

736
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: is batter then Rico, then get the belt. Maybe one

737
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: more final MMA fight because the MMA thing didn't finish

738
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: satisfactory for me, so we also want to finish that.

739
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: I believe I'll have it in me. I think. Lastly,

740
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: it will not be much more than that. It will

741
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: not be more than those two potential two or three fights,

742
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: So it's two or three. Then he wants to get

743
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: into coaching BC level of interest in this rivalry. The

744
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 2: first two fights certainly did delivered on excitement, and where

745
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: do you think level of interest in this fight? What

746
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: are you expecting here?

747
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: I suppose yeah, I'm expecting fireworks and I am interested

748
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: in this fight. This is that rare, big name fight

749
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: that Glory can do that can pull an even me

750
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: who doesn't have the same history as you do. As

751
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: you have watching you know, the big fights. I do

752
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: remember the first two, particularly that first one. It was

753
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: a very big deal. I remember me as a at

754
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: that point as an MMA fan, being, you know, being

755
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: particularly impressed exactly what overhim did walking into there and

756
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: knocking him out, and then you see the way it

757
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: went the other way in the rematch. It does seem

758
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: like time let's let Overeim have his victory lap of

759
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: whatever non MMA specific sort of opportunities. And given the

760
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: history that there does need to kind of be closure

761
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 3: in this rivalry if both are willing and both still

762
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: have a little bit left in the tank and they

763
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: do so, Yeah, look, I'll be fired up for this.

764
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: I mean, how I guess I gotta ask you because

765
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: you used to be sideline reporter for Glory, You've covered

766
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 3: this a lot more than I have. Is this like,

767
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: is this more I hate to say it, Is it

768
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: more Chuck and Tito under the Golden Boy MMA banner

769
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: at this point? Or is it still pretty damn legitimate

770
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: to find out who won this rivalry In terms.

771
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: Of what this means, I've not kept up with better

772
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: Harry's career, And again, I was a sideline reporter for glory,

773
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: But I sucked at that job. I was actually relieved

774
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: when they didn't rehire me because I felt like I

775
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: didn't deserve to be rehired.

776
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: So wow, I'd say, that's blatantly honest, Luke, that's like, that's.

777
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: I've tried. I mean, you know, when you get opportunities,

778
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: you should try them in this business. I do believe that.

779
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: But after the opportunities are over, you should have some

780
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: reflection about how they went. That one went poorly for me.

781
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: You know, I was not good at that job, and

782
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: I can fully admit that it's not I'm not the

783
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: right guy for it. But in relation to this, here's

784
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: the funny part about it. Be see two things I

785
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: would want to bring up about this. In the case

786
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: of Oveream, he had to kind of readjust his MMA

787
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: striking style to gain that longevity that he had in

788
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: the last period. That style, I don't know how well

789
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: that's gonna work for him in kickboxing, especially against a

790
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: bruising marauder like batter Harris. That remains to be that's

791
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: a really interesting piece of this puzzle that I don't

792
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: know how it's gonna go. I would also say, you know,

793
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: they don't do a lot of or any real drug

794
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: testing that I'm aware of, So keep that in mind

795
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: for both competitors and really all the competitors in this car.

796
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: Doesn't that play to your last point though you made

797
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: a point about him having to change his style. I

798
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: think you just had to change his intake for Ysada.

799
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: Really that's really well. So here's the here's the part

800
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: about that though, like once your chin is compromised. Here

801
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: he was fighting to me to take less damage, and

802
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: there was other components to it, but a big part

803
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: was I just can't take the kind of damage I

804
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: used to take, which was a smart play and it

805
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: worked out in large part the way in which he

806
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: has fought traditionally in kickboxing. Just I don't that's gonna

807
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: be hard, that's gonna that's gonna be difficult to make

808
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 2: that work. So we will see how much bunch resistance

809
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: either of them still have. And by the way, both

810
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: of them have vicious power still, so that one there's

811
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: just I cannot imagine that one going to distance. Just

812
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: doesn't seem that way. It is interesting to me.

813
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't answer my question about how big it

814
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: is and how big is it in Europe where it's

815
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 3: going to be held. Is it massive?

816
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty big. I mean, I think Glory

817
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: is not quite in the state that it once was,

818
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: But I do think this is one of the bigger

819
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: fights they can make in all of kickboxing, certainly in

820
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: the heavyweight division. Now, of course you could make, you know,

821
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: bigger ones in terms of ranked fighters, right, you could

822
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: get Recover Hooven versus the number one guy or something

823
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: like that, a Benjamin Adeg Buie or something Jamal ben Sadik.

824
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: But the point I want to make here is you

825
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: got two really big names here, really really this is

826
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: this To me, it feels very very big in that way,

827
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: So there's value there. The thing that's interesting to me

828
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 2: BC is the guys who leave the UFC. It's hard

829
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: to finish away out the you know, out the door

830
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 2: in the UFC, to get like a goodbye and thanks

831
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: for being here and you were really important. Oveream's not

832
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: on them Mount Rushmore. The way to Anderson Silva is.

833
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: But I do wonder if he can get a big

834
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: win here on Saturday and then set himself up for

835
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: some subsequently big fights, he might be able to have

836
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: his own exit from combat sports by doing some stuff

837
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: outside of MMA that enable him to facilitate it, like

838
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: with Nate potentially going to boxing if he can get that,

839
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 2: or what Silva is doing. It's interesting that these guys

840
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: can author potentially more celebrated exits by doing these kinds

841
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: of things.

842
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Luke, you know he's never talked about is that

843
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: when Overhim finally did come to the UFC, his per

844
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: fight income salary wise, was through the roof who negotiated

845
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: that deal. Like, even if he wasn't prominent at that

846
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: moment and was more just an add on to the card,

847
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: he was still making five hundred k guaranteed and.

848
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: More than that. I saw several cards where his his

849
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: purse guaranteed pers was eight hundred k. And by the way,

850
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: I don't even think he had a split in his purse,

851
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: at least not for every fight in the UFC. I

852
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 2: think he had it. No no BOMs, yeah, flat fee.

853
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: Just that's what it is. And whoever, yeah, whoever negotiated

854
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: that for Overhim did a very good job relatively speaking,

855
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: So you're right he made big checks. I really I don't,

856
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: you know, I don't have anything against bat or Harvey,

857
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: but I do like over him, I will say I'm

858
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 2: glad he is eyeing the exit. Alstir Overheim has done

859
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: incredible things in combat sports. Remember he was simultaneously the

860
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: K one Champ, the Dream Champ, and the Strike Force Champ,

861
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 2: all at the same time. Very difficult to do something

862
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: like that at the same time. Uh, he's taken a

863
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: lot of damage. He's taken a shitload of damage. I

864
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: really really hope that the next chapter in his life,

865
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: whenever that officially gets started, he's able to have, you know,

866
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: the cognitive functioning that one would need. I am a

867
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: little bit concerned to be, to be quite candid.

868
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: One would need that in speaking of one, Luke, Yes.

869
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: Speaking of one. I'm not gonna get too much into

870
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: the details here for topic number four, but let's start

871
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: with the sort of bad part first, and then I

872
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: want to talk about the rule set. Here's the bad

873
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: part first, Bloody Elbow through Anton Tabuena and John Nash.

874
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: Every year, basically with the Singaporean equivalent of the SEC,

875
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: they have to file a business report about revenues and

876
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: losses and everything else. By the way, it should be

877
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: noted BC, I don't know if you know this. It

878
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: was detailed at the end of the article if you

879
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 2: didn't make it all the way through, that one has

880
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: transferred their base of operations to the Cayman Islands. So

881
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: this might be the last report we ever see of

882
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: this because at that point they won't have the same

883
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: financial disclosure laws that they have in Singapore that enable

884
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: this kind of reporting. It's a way to kind of

885
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: make everything seekert. Remember that, and the commissions in certain

886
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 2: states not releasing fighter pay and everything else. They love

887
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: to keep the media guessing so that they can just

888
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: pretend that they're talking points are the actual truth. It's

889
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: a very interesting way to go a by business. But

890
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: here are the big takeaways that you need to know

891
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: about good news. For one, they had an increase in

892
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: SPA if I think about twenty or thirty percent year

893
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: over year. They had an increase in what they make

894
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: for broadcast rights fees. Not by a significant amount, but

895
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: there was an increase. The problem was they experienced forty

896
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: eight million dollars in losses in twenty twenty and ready

897
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: for this, one hundred and eleven million in losses in

898
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Their accumulative total losses are at three

899
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty three, which means after this year, BC,

900
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: it is a virtual certainty they will have accumulated over

901
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars in losses. Now I want to

902
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: ask you what you think about this. Obviously, let me

903
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: just add in one final note, a lot of people

904
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: like this stuff because they're like, oh, get them. They

905
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: say this stuff in public, and they're clearly frauds about it.

906
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: And yes, if you want to say that, there's a

907
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: gap between what and by the way, these documents that

908
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: were reported on by Bloody Elbow, they were signed by

909
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: Chatri Sidyotong himself, so he can say whatever he wants

910
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: after this. His signature is on these documents. I worry

911
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 2: BC because it looks to me now more than ever,

912
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: the state of fight promotions outside of the UFC. They

913
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: look very big, and they have a lot of visibility. Amazon,

914
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: Belator's on Showtime, PFLs on ESPN. You can list whoever

915
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: you want, and obviously they're going to be in different

916
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: stages of financial health. But I do worry that the

917
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: UFC has sucked up so much of the industry that

918
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: outside players can't make a sustainable profit on a product

919
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: that people care about. Am I overstating things. What's your reaction?

920
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 3: I mean that point specifically is the reality of when

921
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: you have somebody who's so dominant and other entities are

922
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 3: trying to not only carve off their own space, but

923
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: in some degree compete, which is, you know, sometimes why

924
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: the knee jerk reaction is, well, why can't they all

925
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: just join forces? Well, a lot of cooks in the kitchen,

926
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: a lot of different business plans and all that. Specifically

927
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: to this, and to your point about Choctri, he has

928
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: gone public in the past and refuted all of this

929
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 3: saying did it come from the internet, Well you can't

930
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: believe it? Then, Well, to your point, Luke, he signed it.

931
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: You know this, this is startling. I mean, Luckily for Chatri, Luke,

932
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: one Championship Apprentice addition was such a ratings bonanz. Didn't

933
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 3: it set records for a most watched show of all

934
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 3: time in the Far East?

935
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: Luke?

936
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: Or maybe I'm.

937
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: Exaggeratingnes didn't do a thing. I'm an exaggerated report.

938
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Luckily, that was such a ratings

939
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: bonanza that I'm sure it offset all the financial losses here.

940
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 3: But Luke, my joke sets up, where are they getting

941
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: the money. How much more do they have left? How

942
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: much can they keep hemorrhaging? You know, in some degree

943
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: you get it. It's all been a build up to

944
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 3: try to come at North North America in the US,

945
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: to invade, to get a legitimate US TV deal that

946
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: would pay for everything, and to do what they haven't

947
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: done yet because of the pandemic, which is launched a

948
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: giant card on US soil that grabs your attention. They're

949
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 3: like almost there. But to see this heavy of losses,

950
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 3: Luke is like, who's who's war chest? Are they expiring slowly?

951
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: That's my question, venture capitalists. They're burning the money of

952
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: venture capitalists, and what they The other part about the

953
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: article is it notes that that since twenty seventeen, Chautri

954
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: si Yo Tongue has been basically proclaiming that the company

955
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: is about twelve months away from profitability, and they claim

956
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: that this year as well that they would be you know,

957
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: they're very very close to profitability and it doesn't ever

958
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: appear to be true. Now again, I want to be

959
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: very clear about this. I like the one product. I

960
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: don't like Chatre's clearly, you know, ridiculous statements. The whole

961
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: thing that they do about honor and bushido is just

962
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 2: fucking jack off material.

963
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: It's would you call it BULLSHEETO? Now, Luke, is that what?

964
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: Yes? Of course it's just silly. But the product that

965
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: they that the I as the consumer get, by the

966
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: time it gets to me, I really like it. I

967
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: think it's great. I just really wonder about their financial future.

968
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: I really wonder how much longer they can keep this up.

969
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: We shall see something to pay attention to now, BC,

970
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: I flipped the next part of this one. We stay

971
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: on topic four over to you. There's been some discussion

972
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: about the one championship rule set, and I know that

973
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: they sent you some stuff about how that works. What

974
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: can you tell us?

975
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? So rightfully, I think on Monday show recapping what

976
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 3: was an incredible trilogy matchup for the one female strawweight

977
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: title between Jingnan Jiong and Angela Lee, you know I

978
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: had the question of, Okay, we know they're doing the

979
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 3: old Pride thing and scoring the fight as a whole

980
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: rather than the ten point must system, but what are

981
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: the judges looking for? Is it who had the majority

982
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 3: of success or was it essentially, in a poor man's

983
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: way of saying, who had the biggest moment, And I

984
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 3: think if you're arguing for Jeong Dev won this fight,

985
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: you're kind of leaning pretty heavily on the biggest moment,

986
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 3: which was the second half of the first round, when

987
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: she scored a pair of knockdowns. One reached out to us,

988
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: Luken sent us copies of the scorecards turned in by

989
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: the judges, which has a breakdown in there. If we've

990
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: got the art to pair with this of exactly how

991
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: the judges look at each category of the criteria. And

992
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: I think, even more importantly, whether that fighter, do we

993
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: have it, yes or no?

994
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: Team? You know you should have it, You should have

995
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: it here.

996
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: I did email it this morning just in case nobody

997
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: had it.

998
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:20,959
Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead.

999
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: They're pulling it up. So not only are the judges

1000
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: looking at five categories, I believe of criteria on how

1001
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: to score the fight as a whole. Look, there's severities

1002
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: within that small, medium, large, whatever. What I got to

1003
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: see it. What were the breakdowns again of dominant as

1004
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: opposed to I don't know if we could produce these pigs.

1005
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: I see the head crowning like the King of England.

1006
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: Here, I see that guy in here. I'm pulling it

1007
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 2: up on my uh.

1008
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: You know what it feels like. You ever get on

1009
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 3: the internet in like ninety three at your buddy's house

1010
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: and he's got that thing called Prodigy and you're like, yo,

1011
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: we could download pictures of topless women. We only have

1012
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: to wait seven hours for one picture to finish downloading.

1013
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: And then you're just like sitting there look for hours

1014
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: and you're like, yo, I see a boob. Then your

1015
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: boy's like, no, no, that's a knee.

1016
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: So here's here's how there goes by. This is okay.

1017
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: So first of all, criteria by priority one is near

1018
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: Ko or submission. Two would be damage. Three would have

1019
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: two parts striking on the ground, four takedowns, five aggression.

1020
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 2: And then to your point, they have degree of advantage.

1021
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: So for each of those near Ko submission, damage, striking, ground, takedowns, aggression,

1022
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: they have slight, moderate, and dominant. Right, So each of

1023
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: those is did they have it? And then to what

1024
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: extent did they have it? And by the way, they

1025
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: can have it for the advantage red corner, advantage, blue

1026
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: corner or no advantage just even which by the way,

1027
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: they had let me go through this. So on near

1028
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Ko submission they gave the advantage to the red corner,

1029
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: which was Shong jing Nan.

1030
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: One judge that you're reading one jes So I'm looking

1031
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 3: at one of.

1032
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 2: The judges scorecards here. Yes, I'm sorry damage also to

1033
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: the red corner striking, and they gave to the red

1034
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: corner ground to the blue corner. That makes sense, obviously,

1035
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: because Angelie is much better there takedowns to the red

1036
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: corner because remember, in one takedown, defense actually counts in

1037
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: favor of you, whereas in the ten point must system,

1038
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: any form of defense is its own reward, including takedown

1039
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: defense and then aggression. One judge had it even and

1040
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: they of course then gave the fight to Shong Jinnan.

1041
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: So there is a process in place, and there is

1042
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: a I would call it some kind of you know,

1043
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: methodology here to ascertain who the winner is. BC. Knowing

1044
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: this now, having looked at it, do you feel more

1045
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: comfortable that this is a workable system.

1046
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, And I just wanted to hedge to

1047
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 3: the one point you said about the ten to nine

1048
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 3: must system that the UFC, for example, uses. While you're

1049
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: right in saying you know defense is your own reward,

1050
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: you're also wrong based on the judge's reading of the criteria. Again,

1051
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: the keyword in the rules is not damage, it's and

1052
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 3: it directly states that if.

1053
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: You have the tarts damage like literally on this documented damage, right, but.

1054
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 3: Like if you are able to change someone's game plan,

1055
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: meaning you could change that through takedown defense, changing someone's

1056
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: game plan so significantly or frustrating them, that could be

1057
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: enough impact to win the round. That point aside, I'd

1058
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 3: love to be able to look at these scorecards, Luke,

1059
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 3: I mean, is the nude woman? Fully? What are we

1060
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: doing here?

1061
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think they're on TikTok?

1062
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: Can we have an intervention? Can we have an intervention here?

1063
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: I mean, can I see the yeah? Yes? Or no?

1064
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: You guys gonna get it? Or how's this going to go?

1065
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: I mean, guys, what are we doing here?

1066
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Speaker 2: You know they're uploading it now, they're uploading it now.

1067
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at some of the other scorecards, just

1068
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: looking across here. So here's another judge. They also had

1069
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: it for Sean Jennon, but they had her having the

1070
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: advantage in near KOs submission, which obviously she dropped her

1071
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: in the first. For example, damage the striking advantage went

1072
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: to Angela Lee ground and then takedowns where even aggression

1073
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: went to Angela Lee. So here, yeah, this is so okay.

1074
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Speaker 2: So let's let's recap here. This is just one judge's scorecard,

1075
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: but this is how you should look at it. In

1076
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 2: the left hand columns. You can see it there near

1077
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 2: ko submission is one. Can you blow it up full

1078
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: screen for us cause someone's watching on their phone. Thank you,

1079
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: Geff yeaf four for four here we go two would

1080
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: be damaged again. We're reading the left side criteria by

1081
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: priority column three, who did better in striking? Who did

1082
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: better on the ground? Four takedowns, five aggression, the who

1083
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: they gave the advantage to within that criteria by priority,

1084
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: and then the degree to which they attained that advantage

1085
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: all the way through. I gotta say people like the

1086
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: ten point must system. I don't. I don't really like it.

1087
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: I don't think this system is above criticism. I think

1088
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: they've got aggression a little bit too low, quite candidly,

1089
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: and I don't know that they fully fleshed out point

1090
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: number thre all that well. But as a general rule,

1091
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: I like one system better than I like the Temple

1092
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: to Do system.

1093
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: So you asked me before, like, how does this change

1094
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 3: my feeling about it. I like this transparency. I like

1095
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 3: seeing exactly what the judges are going after. Now I

1096
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: don't necessarily agree. I guess my only issue is, like

1097
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: I still think there's a good argument for Lee here,

1098
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: and I don't think, you know, the judges necessarily scored

1099
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: some as high the impact Jong had early on with

1100
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: dropping her in, scarring up her you know, or swelling

1101
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: up her face, that they even could have. I mean,

1102
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 3: you see, moderate, it looks pretty dominant to me. But

1103
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: my whole point is this gives more. This seems to

1104
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 3: be the nuances. This seems to present the foundation for

1105
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 3: you to properly weigh the nuances of it in ways.

1106
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 3: The ten nine system that we normally see cannot and

1107
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: is flawed is basically a boxing scoring system just adapted

1108
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: to mixed martial arts, not taking into account the longer rounds,

1109
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: the more skill sets needed, the different elements of defense

1110
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 3: that have big moments, the you know, ring ring generalship

1111
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: that we talk about a lot in terms of who's

1112
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: one fighter making the other fight his fight. I think

1113
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: you could mess with that on this card and kind

1114
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: of value it to a certain degree. And now what

1115
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: do they do. At the end, though, Luke, like, when

1116
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: you look at this, how do you know that the

1117
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: red corner one because they because they received the nod

1118
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 3: in more categories, because you do have to take into

1119
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: account that far right column. It's interesting. I hope they

1120
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: know what they're doing with it. I think long term,

1121
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: I would like this type of direct criteria better than

1122
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: the ten nine. But I'm not sure I'm sold that

1123
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: scoring the fight as a whole is actually better than

1124
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: scoring it round by round. How do you feel on

1125
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: that debate?

1126
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Speaker 2: I would argue that the ten point must system, WHI

1127
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: you're right is it comes from boxing. I would argue

1128
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: that the stakeholders in MMA have done a pretty good

1129
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: job as best one could retro fitting that for MMA.

1130
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: But I still feel like an organic way of judging MMA,

1131
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 2: and what kind of systems you could put in place,

1132
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: what kind of procedure you could put in place, will

1133
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: ultimately benefit MMA more than anything you could retro fit

1134
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: from boxing. So I'm mostly in agreement with you. I

1135
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: still have plenty of questions on this as well, And

1136
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 2: how leave it up for just a little bit longer

1137
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: if you don't mind, because I want to reference something.

1138
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: If I may gah. I still have some questions about this,

1139
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: but I do believe that in the end, this following

1140
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: this process down the rabbit hole will yield you better

1141
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 2: results over time. I mean, it just makes a lot

1142
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: more sense. Here's what we're looking for, Here's who had

1143
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 2: the advantage, Here's the extent to which they obtained that advantage.

1144
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: Let's judge the entire thing as a one product, no

1145
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: pun intended, and then let's make a determination there, and

1146
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: let's get qualified people to make those judgments. Right, plenty

1147
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: of questions. I just feel like this is a This

1148
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: is a cleaner process to me than arithmetically each fight,

1149
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: each round is essentially its own fight. I don't think

1150
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: that's a better way to do it.

1151
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: This is a step forward, in my opinion, in uh

1152
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: like showing the truth. Like basically, when the judges come

1153
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: out of here with a with a scorecard that we

1154
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: deem awful, we're always you know, critically jumping on them

1155
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 3: and their integrity and saying, what the hell did they see?

1156
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: I think this takes us closer to a world of

1157
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: understanding better what the hell they did see? That not

1158
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: only fighters can use, because look, what do you top

1159
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 3: level Major League Baseball hitters that are competing for batting

1160
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 3: titles know everything. They know picture tendencies, they know umpire tendencies,

1161
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 3: they know who calls the close strike, who's a little

1162
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 3: bit more liberal, they know everything. This does give more

1163
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: information in the hands of fighters who can look back

1164
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: if they're so inclined historically and gauge a judge's strike

1165
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,479
Speaker 3: zone or tendencies. That's that's a plus. That's a step

1166
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 3: forward because luke to to greatly fight the appearance of

1167
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: fraud or or things being fixed in combat sports. I've

1168
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 3: always gone to bat and said, why are the referees

1169
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 3: and judges not required, if needed, to enter some like

1170
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: a press conference after and talk. I know, sometimes referees,

1171
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 3: like in boxing, will be will agree to be interviewed afterwards.

1172
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: But for the most part, the commission that assigns these

1173
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 3: jobs doesn't want a circus. Tells their judges, you know,

1174
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 3: don't do media appearances where you're previewing fights and sort

1175
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: of showing any potential you know, favoritism that isn't there.

1176
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: Just to avoid controversy. I think being completely you know,

1177
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 3: see through is the way to fix this. I mean, look,

1178
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 3: it's already a really hard job to be a judge.

1179
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: No one's saying it's not luke, but I think it

1180
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 3: would weed out who's who's good and who's bad, or

1181
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 3: who's you know, not let not up to the task,

1182
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: or who might even be taking the heavy envelope loaded

1183
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: in their back pocket if they were forced to speak

1184
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: about it. If that's not going to be a reality,

1185
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 3: and it doesn't seem like anyone actually cares enough to

1186
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: make it a reality to beat, that's my two cents.

1187
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: This is a great step forward and at least giving

1188
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 3: you more information. I don't you know, I don't think

1189
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: open scoring is the fix. I think it plays with

1190
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: the entertainment value in a way that if I'm proven

1191
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 3: wrong someday in the long run, I'll take the l

1192
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 3: Right now, the fantom still does not want to open

1193
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: the Pandora's box.

1194
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: Of open scoring.

1195
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 3: But this is better. This is better, And look, you

1196
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,479
Speaker 3: can actually kind of apply this even if you stuck

1197
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: with the ten to nine. Is there ways that like

1198
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: this will give us better explanations of what the person

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00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 3: scored if boxing was willing.

1200
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: But see, okay, but here's the thing about that. Well, no,

1201
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: not necessarily, because again I still would have some questions

1202
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: about this. I don't know if they look at everything

1203
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 2: in totality, but remember the criteria of the ten point

1204
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: must system. If someone has let's say, effective striking on

1205
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: the feet, you just stop there. You don't worry about

1206
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: ring generalship, you don't worry about aggression, you don't worry

1207
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: about anything else that comes after the hierarchy and the

1208
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: priority list there. So if that is so, if someone

1209
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: just you know, jabs someone else's face off for three rounds,

1210
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: stuff's the takedowns or whatever it's. You don't need any

1211
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: of these other considerations or the advantage or the degree

1212
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: to which the retaining advantages. That's the ten point must

1213
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: system doesn't allow you to even look at those things.

1214
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: If someone as that advantage early on in the key

1215
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 2: priority list, this gives you just a much more comprehensive

1216
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: look at everything that was involved. And you're right, this

1217
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: is not a substitute for a judge doing an interview

1218
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: that you could really really pick their brain. But here

1219
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: you at least have some read on the decision making

1220
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: process that each judge took to arrive at that position.

1221
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: By definition, to me, this seems like it's more well,

1222
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: one's got transparency issues, but when you have access to

1223
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: the cards, certainly it's more transparent and you can just

1224
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: read into the decision making process. I gotta say I

1225
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: like that a lot more, a lot more.

1226
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, yeah, I'm with you on that. Hey,

1227
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 3: look quick, real quick breaking news I wanted to share

1228
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: with you. The WBC has created a special Elizabethian Belt

1229
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 3: that will be awarded to the winner of the October

1230
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: fifteenth Cloresia Shield Savannah Marshall on disputed fight. That's that

1231
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 3: will honor the late q E two who forced the

1232
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: fight to be postponed.

1233
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: Luke.

1234
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: If anybody's on top of shit at w right, I mean,

1235
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: that is a that's a title worth fighting for right there.

1236
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: You know what. I couldn't believe it when we interviewed

1237
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: Rockman Junior and he was like, I really want to

1238
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: win the bridge or weight belt and I was like

1239
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 2: do you Yeah?

1240
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: That was that was a red flag, like that's your goal? Okay,

1241
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: all right?

1242
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: Juessey said that. I was like, in my head, I

1243
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: was like, word, that's the yea, that's the peak. Okay,

1244
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: uh b C. Let's do some quick hitters. How about

1245
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: this one. I think this is. I think this is

1246
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: good news. I would consider this good news aspen Lad

1247
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: has signed with the PFL. Of course, she was released

1248
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: from UFC after her last weight cut fiasco when she

1249
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 2: was supposed to fight Sarah McMahon. And here's her statement quote.

1250
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: I want to thank the PFL for giving me the

1251
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: opportunity to continue my career in the PFL. Smart kick.

1252
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: You know it's gotta be required, right, you signed that

1253
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 3: deal in blood. That computer will hold you better. You

1254
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 3: better call the smart cage the rest of your life, right.

1255
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: I mean that fucking that cage is just the smartest

1256
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: motherfucker on earth. I am excited about the PFLs sports

1257
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: format where you win in advance, But I mean, they

1258
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: just wrote this for her. But here's what she did say.

1259
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: I look forward to testing myself against the best women's

1260
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: featherweights in the world BC. Here is my question. Okay,

1261
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: one for five must be fine for her. I think

1262
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: it's a better way class certainly than one thirty five.

1263
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: And again, outside the UFC, she can get she has

1264
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: an opportunity to get things right. But dude, if she's

1265
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 2: not fighting Kayla, what the fuck are we doing here?

1266
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I think the plan is for her

1267
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 3: to fight Kayla. But my fear now because we're so

1268
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 3: close to twenty twenty three being October, and we know, Luke,

1269
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 3: that's the launch of the PFL pay per view era,

1270
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 3: the pay per view division they call it, even though

1271
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: that makes no sense to call a division. The whole

1272
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 3: idea was, Kayla will give you a chance to win

1273
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 3: a million in year one if you resign with us. Well,

1274
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 3: well she had no choice, they had the option. But

1275
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 3: you get the point, and you know, year two, we'll

1276
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 3: get you that cyborg fight on pay per view. Luke,

1277
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: it doesn't look like we're getting a cyborg fight. I

1278
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 3: hope I'm wrong. Is aspin lad signing the replacement for

1279
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 3: the cyborg fight on pay per view? Is that what

1280
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 3: the hell we're doing right here, Luke?

1281
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I really don't know that pay per view.

1282
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel bad for PFL because they're gonna

1283
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: take a fucking bath on that.

1284
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I love the signing. Talent wise, great signing.

1285
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with the signing. I think she'll be

1286
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: good for one forty five divisions. She might win the

1287
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: whole thing. There's nothing wrong with that. But in terms

1288
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 2: of like pay per view prospects. It doesn't. It doesn't.

1289
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean anything that's gonna be bad. All right,

1290
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 2: How about this one Casey O'Neil, who trains an extreme

1291
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 2: couture versus a Twitter troll. I saw this play out

1292
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: in real time. I don't know if we have any

1293
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: of the images or not. Did you see this at all? BC?

1294
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: I did.

1295
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: Eric Nixon's ig thing was like, where's she at? You know,

1296
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 3: we're here, We're ready, meet me into Mecula.

1297
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: Basically, the long story short is this some dude was like, oh, Casey,

1298
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 2: Casey O'Neill is terrible, and then they were like, yeah,

1299
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: come down in SPA and he was like, yeah, I'll

1300
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: fucking come down there. And they were like oh yeah,

1301
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: like that'd be great, and they had him ready. They

1302
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: all had to do with sign a waiver. Eric Nickxon

1303
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: tweeted it like just all you gotta do is you

1304
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: gotta come down. This used to be more of a

1305
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: common thing where you get street toughs who would come

1306
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: on the gym and be like, hey, I'm gonna, you know,

1307
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: show these guys what happens, and then they get wildly

1308
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: fucked up and they don't come back. Nothing happened here.

1309
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: The guy didn't post, although apparently Hunter Campbell had something

1310
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: to say about this quote. We've got Barstool Sports covering it.

1311
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: I've got Hunter Campbell from the UFC texting me like,

1312
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: don't have unsanctioned fights. Yes, I need you healthy. Everyone's

1313
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: taking it so seriously. It's pretty funny for me, though.

1314
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: I think people say almost for attention. Uh, she's certainly right.

1315
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, this is I always told you.

1316
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: See, I always told folks, if you want to see

1317
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 2: how tough you are, you can show up to your

1318
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: local MMA, Jim and ask the spar They they they

1319
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: will oblige you. Trust me.

1320
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 3: This is different than that though. This is like I

1321
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 3: you look at the surface, it's a fighter going I'm

1322
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 3: sick of these keyboard warriors, So why don't you come

1323
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 3: here and prove it? Oh you didn't come here. You're

1324
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: you know, you're a wimp like I thought. But we

1325
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: already know that, first of all. And second of all, look,

1326
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 3: that's like leftover from the Bully beat Down era. I know,

1327
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 3: like you know, Deontay Wilder did that with Charlie Zellenoff,

1328
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 3: the much maligned h you know, but that got because look,

1329
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 3: that was getting really gross and dark because Ellenoff was

1330
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 3: doing was leaving ridiculously inappropriate messages talking about Wilder's daughter

1331
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 3: and being racist. You know, Wilder could have killed him

1332
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 3: with one punch. So I think for a fighter, Luke,

1333
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 3: you know, Hunter Campbell's not wrong. And the idea that like,

1334
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 3: we got to get past this idea because look, who

1335
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 3: knows that a crazy person doesn't come in with a

1336
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 3: weapon or something Like, I just feel like this is

1337
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 3: the thing that they're professionals. We know they're badasses. Like

1338
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 3: you don't have to win this battle. Just just log

1339
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 3: off of Twitter or you know what I mean, log

1340
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: off of alltogether, or or you know what I mean, Like,

1341
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 3: I know it's not Listen, dude.

1342
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: If you fist fight for a living, your risk assessment

1343
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: is going to be off a little. Yeah, right, That's

1344
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: just that's a natural byproduct of the job that you do. Uh,

1345
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: And it's very good if you have that kind of

1346
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: strained risk assessment for that job. In fact, if you

1347
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: don't have that kind of risk assessment, you cannot do

1348
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 2: that job very effectively. It's an occupational necessity. But then

1349
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: apply to the wider array of things, that could happen

1350
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: in life. I don't know that that kind of risk

1351
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 2: assessment is always going to be beneficial for you.

1352
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 3: So I think it is wild that you know, we're

1353
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 3: actually not that that far removed from Bully beat Down

1354
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 3: on MTV being an actual show that like, you know,

1355
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 3: andre Alovsky would sign up and if you had some

1356
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 3: dude who thought he was tougher than you at work,

1357
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 3: you know, Alovsky would kick his ass for three rounds

1358
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 3: on TV. I mean, I can't I can't even believe

1359
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 3: that happened, Luke. But you know here we are page fighting.

1360
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: All right, B see this one. You must, this must

1361
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 2: have brought tears to your eyes, warm the cockles of

1362
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: your heart. How about Adrian Broner getting on Instagram and

1363
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: calling out Nate Diaz. I was like, what are you

1364
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 2: doing here? AB? I mean what I mean? We have

1365
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 2: image of it? Let's show it. He photo shopped some

1366
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: like fight poster that would look what it would look

1367
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 2: like if Broner was in fact Nate Diaz. Do we

1368
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: have the poster? I believe that we do. There, it

1369
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: is there, it is BC. How interested in you are? AB?

1370
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: How interested are you in AB versus? ND?

1371
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 3: Here's the deal. I can act like I'm not interested

1372
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: and because Adrian brokers.

1373
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 2: Athetic piece of trash, it has gone.

1374
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 3: Look, let's be honest about Ab. Okay, I'm the last

1375
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 3: I'm one of the last people left defending the Nine

1376
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 3: Lives theory that that there's still time for this guy

1377
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 3: to what live up to the original hype and expectations. No,

1378
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 3: but have a you know, a decent end to his

1379
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: career if he wanted to. At the same time, Luke

1380
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 3: his second half of his career has been an absolute

1381
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 3: train wreck in many different categories. And you know, a

1382
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 3: day after he did this, Lukey posted a very honest,

1383
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: long message on Instagram talking about how hard the mental

1384
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 3: health battle he's going through right now really is and

1385
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 3: how he's trying and he's trying to make a comeback.

1386
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: But like.

1387
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 3: So, to act like this is a ridiculous idea or

1388
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 3: I'm not into it at all would be lying. Because

1389
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 3: Luke AB's career has been so out of control of late,

1390
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 3: if you can even call it a career, with all

1391
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 3: the missteps outside of the ring, that physically inevitably he's

1392
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 3: gonna end up where this. These may be the type

1393
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: of fights that do make the most sense. I mean, Luke,

1394
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 3: as much as you don't want to hear me, go, hey, dude,

1395
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 3: imagine Broner versus Jake Paul. You actually could start imagining it.

1396
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 3: And I don't think you'd run out the back door, Luke.

1397
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 3: I think you'd go, Well, if we got to do this,

1398
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 3: it'll be a fun build. And you know, I mean,

1399
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: it would work better if AB's fighting a you know,

1400
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 3: considerably bigger person like Jake to offset the fact that

1401
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: he is a real boxer and has very good, real skills.

1402
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 3: But as much as this doesn't make any sense, Luke,

1403
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 3: it also kind of does at the same time.

1404
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me ask you

1405
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: a question here. Let me see just to see where

1406
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: your head is at. Are you under the impression that

1407
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: I find this unlikely? But it is possible, so we

1408
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 2: have to take the possibility seriously. Anyway, Let's say Jake

1409
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 2: Paul stops Anderson Silva. I know that that is crazy talk.

1410
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 2: I know that that's crazy talk, but just say, right,

1411
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: if he does that, do you think that there's gonna

1412
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 2: be an effort to book him against Ab? Well, I

1413
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: don't Otherwise.

1414
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 3: I'm not acting like that was on anyone's radar. I'm

1415
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 3: not acting like even this ig post is gonna make

1416
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 3: it a higher priority necessarily. But what I'm saying is, Luke,

1417
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 3: let's look at Jake Paul as a whole right now.

1418
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 3: This Arierson Silver fight is going to be a legitimate

1419
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 3: test of where he's at in his boxing growth. I

1420
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 3: know one day he wants he's talked about wanting to

1421
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 3: fight for a real boxing world title. There's still a

1422
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 3: lot of skepticism that if he goes in there. Even

1423
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 3: there were skepticism in the proposed Husseim Rockmond Junior fight,

1424
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 3: because even though Rockman's flawed, he's a six foot three

1425
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 3: South Paul heavyweight. He's a real fighter, son of a

1426
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: former champion. Do we really believe that Jake's endgame is

1427
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 3: going to be him going in with actual light heavyweights

1428
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 3: or cruiserweights in boxing that are fifteen to oh twenty

1429
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 3: and oh in beating them. You know, we have our

1430
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 3: doubts for a reason here, Luke. Yeah, within the no

1431
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: but within the celebrity bubble, which he's done a great

1432
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 3: job being the face of what's a more realistic way

1433
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 3: of fighting a quote unquote real boxer, but also having

1434
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 3: like doubt in the public of who's actually gonna win

1435
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 3: or what's it gonna look like? It's fighting a smaller one. Luke,

1436
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 3: you've got to give him the built in advantage of

1437
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 3: some kind to offset the fact that he doesn't have

1438
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,480
Speaker 3: real experience and he's basically a you know, actor influencer

1439
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 3: turned fighter. Now he's the best of that group so

1440
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 3: far for the most part. We'll give him respect for

1441
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 3: what he's done, but this may be the best way

1442
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 3: to actually have those fights in. Again, Look, we don't

1443
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 3: know what one loss could derail the Jake thing. He

1444
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 3: could just wake up the next day and go, yeah,

1445
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 3: I don't really want to do this anymore. We don't

1446
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 3: really know. He's done a great job of acting the part.

1447
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 3: But do I think in terms of it happening in

1448
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 3: entertainment being something that we really want to see, I

1449
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 3: do think that the idea of like him fighting Berner

1450
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 3: at some catchwaight is probably better than him fighting some

1451
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 3: cruiserway to light heavyweight you never heard of who would

1452
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 3: probably beat them anyway.

1453
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 2: Right, Uh, yeah, I think that's true. All right. I

1454
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: don't know how much we want to do in the

1455
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: rest of these given the time constraints. We can go

1456
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 2: through these pretty quickly. BC level of interest in Drakar

1457
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,839
Speaker 2: close taking on Mark o'matsen except for UFC Vegas sixty three.

1458
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 3: Fun fight pretty high because it like it's Marco Madsen

1459
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 3: is pushing forty right, and he's shown us, yes, some

1460
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 3: things we really like, some things that are going to

1461
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 3: be a problem in this full transition to a new sport.

1462
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 3: But this is that next step, level up matchup that's

1463
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 3: he's really gonna have to prove it, so matchmaking wise,

1464
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 3: love it probably be a fun fight too. Yeah, I'm

1465
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 3: all in, give me this, give me this, all right?

1466
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: All right? What about Tommy Fury fighting on the Mayweather undercard? Now,

1467
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: to be clear, he's fighting a dude by the name

1468
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 2: of Paul Bomba. This will be the co main event

1469
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: to the Mayweather versus Deggie lineup. I don't know who

1470
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: the fuck Degie is. Paul Bomba, by the way, is

1471
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: five and two with four KOs. Tommy Fury is still

1472
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,879
Speaker 2: keeping the flame lit for a Jake Paul fight, isn't.

1473
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 3: He Well Yeah, maybe no, I don't know. I mean,

1474
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 3: you could argue.

1475
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 2: You see that video of them recently, like facetiming, use

1476
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 2: have not, have not? I yeah, there's still there's still

1477
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: chit or chatting over there.

1478
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 3: Look, Jake talks a lot that Tommy like never wanted

1479
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 3: it and fumbled it and kind of backed out. I mean,

1480
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 3: like I could almost believe that, right, So, like, I

1481
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 3: think Tommy just wants to fight and be a celebrity

1482
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 3: fighter if it ends up being where he can cross paths,

1483
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: which I mean that this fight is still makeable down

1484
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 3: the line because we don't see either of them, you know,

1485
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 3: achieving some great advancement in pro boxing. But no, I'm

1486
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 3: not necessarily interested in Luke. I don't know. Floyd's adding

1487
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 3: a lot more fights to his to his schedule lately.

1488
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 3: I mean should we be concerned? I mean there's even

1489
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 3: people on shows debating whether Floyd versus Jake is that. Like,

1490
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 3: I know, I just talked up the idea of Jacob Browner,

1491
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 3: which is ridiculous. I know I'm already ridiculous. But Floyd

1492
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 3: versus Jake can't be a real thing, right or can't know?

1493
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he already thought his brother. Why wouldn't

1494
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: it be, I mean.

1495
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 3: Because Jake's better than his brother.

1496
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but small well, yeah, smaller though he's not as

1497
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 2: big as Logan.

1498
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 3: Uh.

1499
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 2: I don't fucking know. I don't care. I don't want

1500
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: to see that fight. I don't want to see that fight. Now.

1501
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 2: I will cash a check to cover it and like

1502
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: a complete hypocrite, but I don't want to see that fight.

1503
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 3: Because Touki needs shoes, baby, and that's what we do

1504
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 3: in this life. We give her anything she needs.

1505
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 2: Luke okay, maybe even what she wants to And then

1506
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 2: last but not least, on the quick hitters of note

1507
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 2: to me, how about old Kevin Holland I'm not coming

1508
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 2: back unless it's quote super duper magical. And then the

1509
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 2: next fucking day he gets announced to be fighting wonder

1510
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: Boy Thompson in the UFC Orlando main event. This will

1511
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 2: be December fucking third, right around the corner.

1512
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 3: BC.

1513
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: I gotta say, if you're a fighter, why would you

1514
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 2: not tell the media you're retired. You get a week

1515
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 2: of free fucking media and it's all yours, and then

1516
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 2: you could just go back on it, no questions asked.

1517
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, I don't want to celebrate this because well,

1518
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 3: I like to fight, first of all. I do think

1519
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 3: it's the right fight to make in this I like

1520
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 3: to fight just fine. Yeah, but you know this is

1521
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 3: then doubling down on all the shit Tommy, I'm sorry,

1522
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 3: Tyson Fury has been doing publicly of laid all the

1523
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 3: bait and switching and shell games, and then you know,

1524
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 3: if this is straight out of the McGregor playbook, just

1525
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 3: the same. I kind of try to reserve it for

1526
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 3: the rare McGregor like personalities who can do it. And

1527
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 3: you know what else you gonna say about it? When

1528
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 3: he speaks, we listen, and we write about it. I

1529
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 3: don't want to see this become a trickle down theory

1530
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 3: Luke at all. I mean, is there any chance that

1531
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 3: doing that helped his leverage or negotiating power to get

1532
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 3: this fight in the terms he wanted. I don't believe so, right,

1533
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 3: I'm not.

1534
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 2: I just think it was a bunch of nonsense. I'm

1535
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 2: not saying necessarily to get free media or to get

1536
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: a fight or something. Maybe there was something there like, oh,

1537
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: I'm done unless it's super good, because I want a

1538
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: better fight, and here he got that. But the other

1539
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 2: part is, I mean it was a note, partly because

1540
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: the retirement talk, partly because he's young, but also because

1541
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 2: he's something of a growing fan favorite, like he has

1542
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 2: built his status, which is to say, he may have

1543
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 2: gotten this fight no matter what, especially after he did

1544
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 2: the UFC as solid and took that ass whipping against

1545
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 2: hamzat CHIMAIV. They kind of owed him something a little

1546
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 2: bit more manageable here. He gets a tough fight, but

1547
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 2: against an aging veteran in a main event slot who

1548
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 2: doesn't wrestle, you know, like that could have happened under

1549
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: any circumstance, at least in theory, you know. So there's that.

1550
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 3: I'm not going to celebrate this. Are you gonna mention

1551
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 3: Bo Nicola? This guy wants Tom's out.

1552
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 2: Really don't have time. I don't have time to get

1553
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 2: to all this stuff. We don't if we have to

1554
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: cut something else out, if you want to keep it

1555
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 2: all going, because I have to go get my daughter

1556
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 2: from school. So unless you really got a heart on

1557
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 2: for it, we can.

1558
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 3: I don't have a heart on for it. I am

1559
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 3: surprised Bo as being this aggressive, Like did you see

1560
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 3: these ig posts Luke that? I mean he's going after

1561
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 3: people that that.

1562
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 2: He did say initially he doesn't want to be on

1563
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 2: any place but a main card, but then realize there's

1564
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: a lot of ways in which the UFC could construct

1565
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 2: a car where you'd have to go in the prelimbs. Yes,

1566
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 2: that's what I would tell him. I'm like, listen, dude,

1567
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 2: I think I think this guy will he's gonna do

1568
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: something special in the sport. Take your time, young fella.

1569
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 2: Take your time, don't rush it. Take your time. You'll

1570
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 2: everything will happen exactly as it needs to. Trust.

1571
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at us winning all these awards, Luke. You know,

1572
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 3: if you can go back and tell Vox Luke to

1573
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 3: just shut up, everything's gonna be all right. All right.

1574
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: I don't think they care about anything in my life

1575
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: one way or the other, all right, BC. I want

1576
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 2: to remind everyone we all want to turn back the

1577
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 2: clock and relive those glory days. For me, I would

1578
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,719
Speaker 2: love to wake up every morning with zero brain fog,

1579
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 2: a clear mind, and be as energized as I was

1580
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1581
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1582
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1585
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1593
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1595
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1596
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1606
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Speaker 2: on Wednesdays now, not every Wednesday, but we're trying to

1607
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 2: get it a little more regular. A top five list,

1608
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: top five movies, top five strikers, top five We might

1609
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 2: do BBLS at some point. One never knows what today though,

1610
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 2: today though, we're not going to do that. We're going

1611
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: to do top five active I believe ground specialists. Now,

1612
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: BC had a bit of a revelation. I'm not going

1613
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 2: to air them out here completely.

1614
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 3: Wear it out. By the way, this is faavorite, our

1615
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 3: top five favorite favorite.

1616
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to be clear today we are not

1617
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 2: yes in defensive BC here and myself and everyone. Just

1618
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 2: for clarification purposes, these are just our favorite ones, not

1619
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 2: the best ones, just the ones that we like, whatever

1620
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 2: reasons that we like them. Although, bec do you want

1621
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 2: to tell the folks what you told me over text

1622
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 2: message last night that truly shocked is a strong word it.

1623
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 3: How shocked you were? You were like like I had exposed,

1624
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 3: like you know, like the end of Total Recall when

1625
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 3: the guy takes off his fake arm and he's part

1626
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 3: you know what it was.

1627
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 2: It was like the scene of Total Recall where the

1628
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 2: woman had the third titty that's.

1629
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess it's something like that. Uh,

1630
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 3: the idea that BC the boxing guy tends to prefer

1631
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 3: mma fights on the feet, Yeah, I think that's true.

1632
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, Luke, I respect and

1633
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 3: for the most part, understand what goes on on the ground.

1634
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: But when we're pitching fun ideas a top five like

1635
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 3: our top five classic rock albums from the seventies list,

1636
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 3: Luke or something fun like that, that's fun. Counting down

1637
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 3: my top ten favorite ground fighters of today is it's

1638
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 3: you know, it's a Luke Thomas hard on. But I'll

1639
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 3: indulge in.

1640
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll do. I will meet you halfway. I mean,

1641
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 2: I think that's a little bit of a cash opinion.

1642
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 2: If I could be candid with you.

1643
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 3: It's what bellt shit, Luke.

1644
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 2: But I'm here for it all right, Bros learned. Here's

1645
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 2: what I think we should do, and I think the

1646
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 2: NIMA audience might appreciate this. We should do next our

1647
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: top five favorite again not saying the best top five

1648
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: favorite boxers to watch, because I do think that could

1649
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 2: be a little bit of a roadmap for people who

1650
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 2: want to know more about boxing. Some guys or ladies

1651
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: to check out.

1652
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, we could do that with you know UFC

1653
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 3: ladies too, Luke. It's called the one hundred and fifteen

1654
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 3: pound division.

1655
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 2: All right, that's but that's your Instagram feed, all right,

1656
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:42,919
Speaker 2: go first.

1657
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 3: All right, Luke, who do I look for in a

1658
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 3: favorite grounds fighter? Somebody completely sublimely talented? And for my money, Luke,

1659
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 3: that's still Bellatour's aj McKee at number five. Luke. The

1660
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 3: creativity is there, the aggression is there, but there is

1661
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 3: this calmness to his aggression.

1662
01:17:59,640 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: We know.

1663
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 3: So he's child phenom who grew up in this game

1664
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 3: around the gyms with his father. But you only have

1665
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 3: to look further than the mckeotine that you so happily

1666
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 3: named that he broke out against Darian Caldwell in the

1667
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 3: Grand Prix tournament, or even the fact that he took

1668
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 3: the great Patricio Pipples you know, quote unquote finishing move

1669
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 3: the guillotine and used it against him in the first

1670
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 3: couple of minutes of round one of their fight to

1671
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 3: put him to sleep after hurting him with strikes. Aj

1672
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 3: McKee is long, he's quick and athletic, but he knows

1673
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 3: this game Luke. It's fun to watch in the moment

1674
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 3: how his mind works. He makes quick, reactive decisions, and

1675
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 3: I think what we did see in the Spark Spike

1676
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 3: Carlisle fight of late that was a plus for him.

1677
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 3: His aggression while on the ground has to be respected

1678
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 3: by his opponents. He's very violent with those lead elbows

1679
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 3: and forearms, and that only adds to the threat of

1680
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 3: him always looking for a submission. I don't know if

1681
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 3: people applaud him enough Luke for how great he is

1682
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 3: on the ground, because he can do flashy, spinny shit

1683
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 3: just the same and the striking. But he's nasty and

1684
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 3: I like watching him.

1685
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: People forget dude, He's got a ground game that is ferocious.

1686
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,600
Speaker 2: You know, if I had to pick for me like

1687
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 2: my he almost made the list Gucci Amuci over in

1688
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: Bellator because he's a little bit more of a direct

1689
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 2: ground specialist in that way. But I agree with you

1690
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 2: the Mkia teen's nice. He's had a lot of interesting

1691
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 2: submissions from his back at certain times, or are these

1692
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: threatened him at certain times. I like what aj mcke

1693
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 2: can do on the ground for me. For number five,

1694
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself here. Because

1695
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 2: he's just starting out in MMA, but because of who

1696
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,799
Speaker 2: he is and what he represents inside the heavyweight division,

1697
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 2: my number five is going to be Boucheesha. His formal

1698
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 2: name is Marcus Almeida, but they call him Boucheesha, which

1699
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: you don't know what that means. He means fat cheeks

1700
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 2: in Brazil. I guess he had fat cheeks when he

1701
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 2: was a kid.

1702
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 3: Uh.

1703
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 2: He is phenomenal. Let me be very clear about this.

1704
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: He's arguably the best ground fighter, at least I should

1705
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: say this. He's got the best jiu jitsu probably in

1706
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: all of MMA. I don't think that's crazy to say.

1707
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: And in the heavyweight division, he is by far the

1708
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 2: best submission specialist. We will see what go happen with

1709
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 2: his development, but remember the category, it's top five. So

1710
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,480
Speaker 2: what I've seen from him in one has been promising.

1711
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 2: I think he'll end up in the UFC before too long,

1712
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 2: to be quite honest with you, And as long as

1713
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: he can get the fight to the ground, which of

1714
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: course is a big if he's going to tear or

1715
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 2: rise that division. Because he's not just a great grappler,

1716
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 2: he's a phenomenal athlete as well. In fact, his jiu

1717
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 2: jitsu was very much aided by his physical gifts and attributes.

1718
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,759
Speaker 2: Bouchheisha is very much someone who He's not on your radar,

1719
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 2: he should be.

1720
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to Basha, Luke. You've you know, he

1721
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 3: is your type of flavor, and everything I've seen from

1722
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 3: you has seemed to live up to that billing. In

1723
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 3: regard you said, bouche sha.

1724
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 2: Means big cheeks, Luke, fat cheeks.

1725
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, fat cheeks. It was Freddie Mercury who wants saying,

1726
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 3: Luke that fat bottom girls make the rock and world

1727
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 3: go round. So maybe uha and you have you know

1728
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 3: more than one thing in common, Luke.

1729
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,799
Speaker 2: Okay number four, Sorry, okay number.

1730
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 3: Four, Luke. I don't know if this surprises you, but

1731
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 3: you know who I love watching on the ground Journeyman, Flyway,

1732
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 3: tim Ellie and now Journeyman may be a harsh label,

1733
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 3: but he has seemed to juggle wins and losses at

1734
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 3: an equal level of late did fight for a world

1735
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: title once after winning the Ultimate Fighter tournament to get

1736
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 3: that shout out Demetrius Johnson, and I really think even

1737
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 3: within that fight, it's a snapshot of what makes him

1738
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 3: so fun in general as a fighter, he takes big chances,

1739
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 3: and he's long, and he's got a weird sort of

1740
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 3: rhythm and style to him that certainly makes it tough.

1741
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,719
Speaker 3: But he's just as app to get a fantastic dramatic

1742
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 3: submission as he is to yield one and Luke. He

1743
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 3: takes big chances, he goes after it. He's creative, and

1744
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 3: I think watching his fights there's always that added level

1745
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 3: of like something's gonna happen here soon. I always love

1746
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 3: the performance he showed out against Demetrius. Yeah, eventually got

1747
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:51,560
Speaker 3: handled and dominated, but he was weird enough in that

1748
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 3: fight to kind of give Mighty Mouse something to think about.

1749
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 3: And I think that plays into what I like about him,

1750
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 3: that it's kind of unpredictable. Yeah, the techniques there, Yeah,

1751
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 3: he can tap you out, but I just like the

1752
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 3: balls that he sort of goes after it no matter

1753
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 3: if the odds are with him or against him.

1754
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 2: I can get by on that for me. For number four,

1755
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go again. There's a lot of people I

1756
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 2: had to leave off this list, which I was not

1757
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 2: happy about, but I couldn't make this list for me

1758
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 2: without including this guy, Bryce Mitchell. Number four thug, nasty.

1759
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 2: You gotta do it now. Listen, me and old Bryce Mitchell,

1760
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 2: we don't see the world the same way. But who

1761
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 2: gives a flying fuck. We're talking about his ground game here,

1762
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 2: and if it doesn't bring you joy to watch this

1763
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 2: dude operate on the ground, I don't know what you're

1764
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 2: I don't know what would man. We're talking about a

1765
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 2: guy who against Andre Feey, for example, I didn't know

1766
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 2: what kind of you know work he was gonna be

1767
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 2: able to turn in, and he looked phenomenal. He's very

1768
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 2: good about making his opponents just make a series of

1769
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: bad choices. He gives you one bad option or another

1770
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 2: bad option, and then depending on what you want to

1771
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: go with, he has an answer for everything. He wrestles

1772
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: top to bottom. He can you know, leg lace, He

1773
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 2: can do all kinds of stuff. He's good with his

1774
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 2: ground and pound. He's good with finding submissions, hitting a twister.

1775
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: So he's innovative. He's aggressive, he incorporates physical punishment through it,

1776
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 2: and he beats other really good fighters with it. Plus,

1777
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, he's got a really sort of fun story

1778
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 2: as a life story, and a very unique i think

1779
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 2: personality and background, which a lot of people like and

1780
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 2: respond to, which is also great in the small part

1781
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: of that, of course won in the Camo Schortz. That's

1782
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 2: a little detail, but I think it speaks to something

1783
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 2: larger about his authenticity anyway on the ground. Can't miss

1784
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 2: exciting fighter. My number four choice thug Nasty.

1785
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 3: And choose scoopfuls of coffee grounds in the morning. Luke

1786
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 3: on his farm.

1787
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 2: There I've seen I do again. We learned that in

1788
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: the military. Like, that's a real thing. That's a real thing,

1789
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 2: all right. Number three for me Luke is why this

1790
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,799
Speaker 2: guy almost made my list. I'm so glad you included

1791
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 2: him because I love this choice.

1792
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, wild man of sorts and that's Scotland's Paul Craig Luke.

1793
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 3: He operates in a division that you don't see as

1794
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 3: much ground game or submission Specialist two A five as

1795
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: you do in the lower gway classes. But he walks

1796
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 3: around that division like he's either got a big dong

1797
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 3: or he's got a pile of behind him that he

1798
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 3: can show off with knowing it can bail him out.

1799
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 3: And that superpower is his submission ability. It's like Luke,

1800
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 3: that privileged kid. He went to high school with whose

1801
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 3: dad was the police commissioner, and he always knew that

1802
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 3: he could talk trash. The guys way tougher than him

1803
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 3: because he had that thing in the back that can

1804
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 3: get him out of trouble. He's like that in the

1805
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 3: striking exchanges. He gets into often ill advised against people

1806
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 3: that he shouldn't. Obviously, the entertainment theme of late with

1807
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 3: him has been that fact that he could take big

1808
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 3: damage early but still linger and trap you on the

1809
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 3: ground because of how wide his you know, the ability

1810
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 3: gap is. But he's a fun, exciting fighter who's never

1811
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 3: out of it and never stops looking for ways to

1812
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 3: dramatically surprise you and come away with a win. That's

1813
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 3: fun to watch and when you sell it with the attitude,

1814
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 3: the nickname, the accent, the painted face at the weigh ins,

1815
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 3: he's one of the rare ground specialists who's also a

1816
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 3: pretty cool dude. Luke.

1817
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 2: I love his game, very unique for that weight class

1818
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 2: in which he operates. Love that choice. Really debated putting

1819
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 2: him on here, but had to go with some different

1820
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 2: ones all right for me for umber three, he's much

1821
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 2: more than this now. But I think if you looked

1822
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 2: at the overall body of work that he has. I

1823
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,799
Speaker 2: think this would be a fair label. How about Charles Olivera,

1824
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 2: I mean, he is just so much fun to watch.

1825
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 2: He's got all the submissions, by the way, the all

1826
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: time leader in submissions for the UFC. I mean, what

1827
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 2: else do you need to say beyond that? But now

1828
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 2: what I love about his game is all the other

1829
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 2: parts have come to life. But it's not just that.

1830
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 2: I want to point out. He's able to achieve dominant

1831
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 2: positions in a much more unique and interesting way, which

1832
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 2: is that he forces these big reactions from physical punishment,

1833
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: oftentimes on the feet. What do I mean? He drops

1834
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 2: justin gaigie gaichie, goes to scramble, and as he does,

1835
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 2: he leaves at least in jiu jitsu terms, monster openings

1836
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 2: for someone to do something, in this case, for Charles

1837
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 2: Lavera to take the back and so he can just

1838
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: instantly find very dangerous desperate positions for his opponents. Anyway,

1839
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 2: like that, everything is coming together, but the ground is

1840
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 2: still so terrifying for everyone because how fast he can work,

1841
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 2: how nimble he can work, and how all the other

1842
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 2: pieces of the game now fit into it. But even

1843
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 2: before that was doing really really tremendous things in the

1844
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,759
Speaker 2: one to forty five division and now obviously one fifty

1845
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 2: five for me, I couldn't have made this list talking

1846
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 2: about favorite ground specialists without someplace for what I think

1847
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 2: is the uncrowned lightweight king.

1848
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the all time greatest finisher. When he sees

1849
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 3: the opening, he goes from zero to sixty on like

1850
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 3: a Habib speed level luke of just like, oh shit,

1851
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 3: the fight's over, we're here, we're now, there's the tap.

1852
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 3: You can't not love to watch him because of that

1853
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 3: luke and the swagger that he's gained from rounding out

1854
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 3: his game and not having to just lean on what

1855
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 3: he can do on the ground with the you know,

1856
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 3: the silver hair that dyed. He's a bat. He's an

1857
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 3: absolute bad Luca. Is he in the conversation for having,

1858
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 3: because of so many finishes, the greatest jujuits in history

1859
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,599
Speaker 3: or is he not considered on the Maya jakaray level.

1860
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 2: He's definitely not on the Maya Chakaa level. But their

1861
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 2: accomplishments came from outside of jiu jitsu, like in mma.

1862
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 2: Obviously he did what they couldn't in capturing a UFC belt,

1863
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 2: but if we're talking about strict jiu jitsu prowess, he's

1864
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:08,759
Speaker 2: not even close to them, not even close.

1865
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 3: Okay, he knows how to get the fight over though, Luke,

1866
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 3: that's for sure.

1867
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 2: Certainly he certainly does.

1868
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 3: Go ahead, all right, let's go to number two on

1869
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 3: my list of five favorite ground specialists to watch, and

1870
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 3: it's the only crossover one we had. Let's shout out

1871
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 3: Bryce Mitchell. Luke, he has a gas tank on him,

1872
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 3: and it is fun. Whether we're talking about Mvolish Wheely

1873
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 3: or guys like that who can reaponize Morob Durrob You're yeah,

1874
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Morob Devolish Wheely. Correctly, I might have just

1875
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 3: nailed that, Luke. The point here is when you can

1876
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 3: weaponize that gas tank and pair it with the threat

1877
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,600
Speaker 3: of what you can do on the ground. Bryce Mitchell's

1878
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 3: you know, chain wrestling and way he just sticks to

1879
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 3: you is so fun to watch, mixed with the constant

1880
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 3: pressure he puts on you. I don't think you can

1881
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 3: have a list right now, you know, I mean, Luke,

1882
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 3: got you gotta tip your cap. If this isn't the

1883
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 3: list of the best, you know, the islam Machev may

1884
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 3: be the damn best for I know Luke at the

1885
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 3: end of the day on the ground, but Bryce Mitchell

1886
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 3: is entertaining as well in doing it and then leaning

1887
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,560
Speaker 3: on that strength. I'm interested to see how far he

1888
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 3: can go. Look, there's a good division. This is a

1889
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 3: very good fighter. Get fired up here.

1890
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 2: I don't think you could make a list without having

1891
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 2: Bryce Mitchell on. And I'm glad you had him, had

1892
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 2: him a little bit higher than me, but had him

1893
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 2: just the same For my number two. This is someone

1894
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: who you know, has proven me wrong at times and

1895
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 2: then through that really forced me to reconsider what I

1896
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 2: got wrong. So I'm gonna go with al Jamaine Sterling

1897
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 2: as my number two. I think the work that he

1898
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 2: has done, obviously choking out Corey Sanhagan immediately, He's got

1899
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 2: good wrestling, and the way in which he's able to

1900
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 2: find and hold and legitimately threaten from the back is very,

1901
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,799
Speaker 2: very impressive. He is a good like a solid solid

1902
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 2: More than that, he's just a phenomenal ground operator. He's

1903
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 2: obviously more than that. He can stick and move on

1904
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 2: the feet, has great cardio, good strength for this, and

1905
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 2: he's really ironed out a lot of the problems like

1906
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 2: for example, when he gassed against who is Misha Tate's

1907
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 2: x Brian what's the face? Uh Caraway Carol, Yeah, I

1908
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 2: think it was Carro. You know, he gassed in that fight,

1909
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:06,560
Speaker 2: and I don't think that was his best showing, But

1910
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 2: then you watch him. I didn't think he was gonna

1911
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: be able to get the job done against Yaan in

1912
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 2: the second fight, and he did, and he did it

1913
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 2: very impressively, in part because of the way in which

1914
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 2: he is able to create back exposure through half takedowns

1915
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 2: or matt returns and then really take advantage of that.

1916
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 2: He's innovative. He's at the front of the pack, I

1917
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:23,679
Speaker 2: think in a lot of the ways with his grappling

1918
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,879
Speaker 2: in MMA, and he's a championship level fighter quite literally.

1919
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 2: I had to give him respect for this one. I'm

1920
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 2: gonna have the number two.

1921
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, diude, he put san Haagen in the

1922
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 3: spider web. You know, leave a message and I'll call

1923
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 3: you back. Luke. One other thing I want to add

1924
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 3: on your Charles Olivera do the wrestling and the smothering

1925
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 3: that he did to Gae Chee and that I'm sorry

1926
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 3: they did to Dustin Poier. Excuse me, they did Dustin

1927
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 3: Porier to just completely gas him and prepare him for finish. Fantastic,

1928
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 3: just a fantastic stuff.

1929
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 2: I can't agree more. He's got, he's got. He's more

1930
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 2: than a ground specialist these days, but on the ground

1931
01:29:58,200 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 2: he is certainly one.

1932
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 3: All right? Who's my favorite guy to watch on the ground.

1933
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 3: I don't think this surprises you, t City Baby, Brian

1934
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 3: or Tega Luke. I think the fact that the thing

1935
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,640
Speaker 3: that I love most about watching him is probably the

1936
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 3: thing that has prevented him from climbing the mountain. Despite

1937
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 3: giving all against Max Holloway before he was stopped in

1938
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 3: that title fight and nearly nearly putting the current champ

1939
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 3: in one of the greatest fighters of all time, Alexander

1940
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 3: Volkanowski into very peril situations at key moments in their

1941
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 3: title fight. Is he takes big risks, he swings massively big.

1942
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 3: Some of the victories on that initial rise to his

1943
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 3: first title shot were three round fights in which he

1944
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 3: got kind of handled for two and a half of it,

1945
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 3: yet could come out with a big triangle or what

1946
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 3: have you at the end. That makes him so dangerous

1947
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 3: and so fun. What it doesn't make him as a

1948
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 3: well balanced, consistent force. He's inconsistent, but we know of

1949
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 3: what his actual ability is on the ground, and sometimes yeah,

1950
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 3: he leans too much on his chin and his willingness

1951
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 3: to go to dark places if need be. But at

1952
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 3: any point you have to watch out against him. You

1953
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 3: got to give him credit for what he did against Volkanovsky. Know,

1954
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, that was not as

1955
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 3: competitive of a fight as some of the you know,

1956
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 3: this might be our fight of the year, you know,

1957
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 3: hype may have you know, rose that up. But he

1958
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 3: made Volkanovsky have to show us how tough he really is,

1959
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 3: and he did that against one of the best fights,

1960
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 3: maybe the best fighter today, one of the best fighters

1961
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:29,719
Speaker 3: of all time. His superpower is so fun to watch,

1962
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 3: and by superpower, I mean his ability to one after

1963
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 3: another dragon, you know, very good looking celebrity names to

1964
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 3: be by his side. His jiu jitsu is also pretty

1965
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 3: badass to look.

1966
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 2: The big weakness on my list is that Ortega is

1967
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,480
Speaker 2: not on it, and I readily admit that I struggled

1968
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 2: because again, it's our favorite ones. We're talking about some

1969
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 2: of the best ones. I think you have to have

1970
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 2: him on the list, and I do. It's funny I do.

1971
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 2: I made a list of everyone I had. I had

1972
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 2: about twelve names, and it was tough to eliminate some

1973
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 2: of them. Ortego was the one that was most difficult

1974
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 2: for me to eliminate, so he probably at number six

1975
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 2: for me. Number one is maybe a bit surprising because

1976
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 2: there are a lot of ground specialists that I enjoy watching,

1977
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 2: but I like this guy the most because of the

1978
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 2: promise of his future and the reality of his presence.

1979
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 2: Seventeen fights, seventeen wins, seventeen finishes some of them by

1980
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 2: the way, not necessarily by the ground, but when he's

1981
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 2: on the ground, his ability to get there and his

1982
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: ability to do damage on top, and his ability to

1983
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 2: cleverly find submissions with the right time, seemingly without really

1984
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 2: breaking a sweat. I'm just so excited for this guy's future.

1985
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 2: Schofcott Rockmanov would be my favorite one to watch.

1986
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 3: Now.

1987
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 2: There are other ground specialists that I like. I would

1988
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 2: consider arminsar Yuki in one, because there's real no submission

1989
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 2: threat there. I didn't really include him. I wanted someone

1990
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 2: that had a submission threat. Sean Brady also is another

1991
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 2: guy who I think has a very bright future. Might

1992
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 2: have to get a tattoo with him if he beats

1993
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 2: Bulow Muhammed. But because of the rare combination of body

1994
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 2: type that Rockmanov has great like lights out submissions, lights

1995
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 2: out striking, that bizarre kind of standing over you ground

1996
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 2: and pound that he does better than almost anyone. He's

1997
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 2: so unique to me when he fights out there, I

1998
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:07,640
Speaker 2: got to clear the calendar to see what's up. My

1999
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 2: number one choice. Not saying it's the best, that's not

2000
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 2: my argument, but favorite for me. Schoffcott Rockmanov. That's where

2001
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to go.

2002
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:16,799
Speaker 3: Hey, that wasn't as painful after all, Luke.

2003
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 2: You know, see, I bet and we can do boxing

2004
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 2: next time.

2005
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 3: Did you consider Yarslav Amasov or does he not as

2006
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 3: much of a submission game to be as well rounded?

2007
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 2: Yes, he'd be. There's a lot of guys who would

2008
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 2: be very, very high level ground operators, but I wanted

2009
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 2: someone with a little bit more clear submission prowess in

2010
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 2: that way. Hey, real quick, how great if you want

2011
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 2: to do these fans subs, we got to move.

2012
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna get out on time. You've been at

2013
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 3: judicious on this minute control. But Uswanner Maga madeoff in

2014
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 3: your conversation. You're You're considerable was on the list.

2015
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 2: He was on the list. Go Chiamuchi from Beltar also

2016
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 2: on my list to just and quite find a place

2017
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 2: for I'm in top five.

2018
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 3: Let's close strong and get out on time with fan

2019
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,879
Speaker 3: submissions Morning Combat at gmail dot com as the email address.

2020
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 3: It's your absolute bullshit, and then we post it up

2021
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 3: on our refrigin. Let's do it.

2022
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 2: Yes, this is the house refrigerator or the artwork of old.

2023
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 3: We've got male submissionaries. Yeah, let's go with Saoul. Remember

2024
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 3: I thought he was a little tony in the imperials

2025
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 3: A that time, Luke, but Sewel is a great presenter here.

2026
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,560
Speaker 3: And when the universe gives you free weekend passes to

2027
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 3: the Louder than Life Music Festival, you take them without

2028
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 3: asking questions. Seoul said, I went all four days and

2029
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 3: saw Tenacious d, Lamb of God, Slip Knot, Alice Cooper,

2030
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:34,759
Speaker 3: Rob Zombie Kiss, BodyCount, popa Roach, Incubus, Alice in Chains,

2031
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 3: and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, just to name a few.

2032
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 3: I think you named them all, wow, all while wearing

2033
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 3: the best merch you could get from the Best damn

2034
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 3: Combat Sports pot in the world. Plenty of thick girls

2035
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 3: in fishnets and thongs everywhere. Great weekend. It's Saoul.

2036
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 2: Yo.

2037
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 3: Look this guy's a real man. Look at him. Look

2038
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 3: at this Look at him? Right?

2039
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? Also, could you leave some weed for the rest

2040
01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 2: of us? Jesus Christ, this guy had all the week Yo. Kisses, bro, Yeah,

2041
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 2: kiss sucks. Can I be honest about that? If you

2042
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 2: like kiss, you're probably lame as fuck? I want to

2043
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 2: be oh wow wow.

2044
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 3: But Salo will thank you for being a real man.

2045
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So I didn't say about Sewell, maybe he liked it,

2046
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 2: maybe he didn't. But in general, all right, this is

2047
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 2: from Mark.

2048
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 3: He said, made a journey to Burning Man this year

2049
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 3: and took the MK mug with me. You'd think there

2050
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 3: weren't a lot of fight fans out here, but you'd

2051
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 3: be wrong. Thunderdome is a mad Max style fighting dome

2052
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 3: at the festival where participants battle each other while flinging

2053
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 3: themselves in elastic harnesses armed with battle Q tips. Okay,

2054
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 3: two burners enter, one burner leaves and yes, a lot

2055
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 3: of Delta eight gummies and other goodies. Thanks for the show.

2056
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 3: It's Mark, Hey, I support this, Luke. I wouldn't go

2057
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 3: to Burning Man, but I support this.

2058
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wouldn't go to Burning Man either, but I

2059
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 2: had an old producer who went, who was relatively normal,

2060
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 2: and he loved it. So keep that in mind.

2061
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 3: I mean, what how do you describe I mean, is

2062
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 3: it like a music in life, an arts festival full

2063
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 3: for those dudes in your school who were like really

2064
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 3: good at shop class and you could, like you could

2065
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 3: say to yourself, thing, I kill a person before they die.

2066
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 2: I mean, people make it out to be I think

2067
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:04,560
Speaker 2: more than it actually is. It's just a place to

2068
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:05,839
Speaker 2: do drugs differently.

2069
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, okay with different music and yeah, I

2070
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 3: got it, I got it.

2071
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,520
Speaker 2: We're in the desert doing drugs, Okay, all right, Luke Steve.

2072
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 3: Is here and he says he's found your new truck.

2073
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 2: Wow, awesome. Maybe I don't get the ying and the

2074
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 2: yang though, I don't quite understand what that's got to

2075
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: do with vaping dads or Christ.

2076
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 3: But what do you that sounds like if you me

2077
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 3: and Brendan Shab decided to form a power trio, Luke,

2078
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 3: that would be our band name right there.

2079
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 2: It's got the three Seas, It's got the three seeds

2080
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 2: like Brendan does. Yeah, it does.

2081
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 3: Indeed, I think you should still your Huckleby in that band.

2082
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 3: Believe me, no, no question about it. Let's go to

2083
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:53,679
Speaker 3: Alan w He says uh. Last Wednesday's Top five movies

2084
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 3: reminded me of of I don't know what here. I'm

2085
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 3: a Day one MK fan and god in fired to

2086
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 3: make art based on both of your personalities and antics.

2087
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 3: Big Big Trouble, Little China is one of my favorite movies.

2088
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 3: I'm responsible for creating the original egg Campbell's Punski logo.

2089
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 3: Here's more Big Trouble and Little China subs coming your way.

2090
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 2: This is amazing, and I love that you look like

2091
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 2: Kim Katrol Yes.

2092
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 3: Yes from Mannekin Right, great movie where the guy bangs

2093
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 3: the wooden Lady.

2094
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 2: Yes. Also from Uh Yeah, I know. It's like, dude,

2095
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:30,680
Speaker 2: the eighties were just complete, you know. Yeah, I mean

2096
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 2: just just the worst human beings alive making movies. There

2097
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 2: is egg shn.

2098
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 3: Look at me holding a punschki.

2099
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 2: Oh.

2100
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 3: I love it, Luke, I love you.

2101
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 2: That is amazing. If you guys don't know, there's a

2102
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 2: character in Big Trouble Little Chinna named Eggshen who kind

2103
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 2: of has one eye and BC whenever he eats, he

2104
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 2: just closes one eye. It's the weirdest shits, Like I

2105
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 2: have a.

2106
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 3: Tick in my one of my eyes, Luke that when

2107
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 3: I eat it it opens and closes as I eat

2108
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 3: and it moves. Yeah, it's uh, I think, yeah, it

2109
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,719
Speaker 3: could be a defect, Luke. Okay, no disassemble, Yes, okay,

2110
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 3: let's go to JP. Look you know this guy from

2111
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 3: Mount Unike Nova, Scotia. He's done the clean up post storm.

2112
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 3: Good day MK, crew and fans. I had to sneak

2113
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 3: another sub in here. After watching the latest Room Service

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Speaker 3: Diaries Chuck Mindenhall edition, I was so excited for the

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Speaker 3: gents when they indirectly introduced their first RSD sponsor. BC

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Speaker 3: has done it again with his introduction of Room Service Diaries.

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Speaker 3: BC's depends love you guys, keep up the amazing award

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Speaker 3: winning show.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the fact that you had to go in the

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Speaker 2: middle of it. I like your diaper by the way,

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Speaker 2: and you had to go in the middle of it

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Speaker 2: to go urinate you truly are you know? Do you

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01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 2: do that on showbox or just MK?

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Speaker 3: I almost did it on Showbox once between fights. So look,

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Speaker 3: I I because I'm so aggressive. I mean, I hold

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Speaker 3: this microphone like a grudge, right, so, because I'm so aggressive,

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Speaker 3: I need a lot of fluids to fuel that. But

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Speaker 3: then I get I got a you know, piss. They

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Speaker 3: used to call me in the in the high school

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Speaker 3: woods drinking circles, like behind trees. They would call me

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Speaker 3: uterus boy. Look, that's so disrespectful because I would be the.

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Speaker 2: First my fraternity. Now I managed to skip this because

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Speaker 2: that weekend I probably would have told them to go

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Speaker 2: fuck themselves. But that weekend I had drill, which is

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Speaker 2: you know soily when you have to go work for

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Speaker 2: your military service. And they made all the pledges in

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Speaker 2: my pledge class where it depends and then pissed themselves.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm that that point number one why fra turn

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Speaker 3: of these are lame cults and you never should have joined.

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Speaker 2: You don't need that. I agree that is I agree

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Speaker 2: that that is pathetic.

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Speaker 3: I anyway, let's roll out of here. Alan has two

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Speaker 3: of them. I made an RSD thumbnail for you. Let's

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Speaker 3: see it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love it is that me as the rock.

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01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 2: But if I'm the and who are you?

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Speaker 3: I think I'm the guy from Big Lebowski.

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Speaker 2: Right, No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I may have just butchered that, but that's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: I love that. Dude.

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Speaker 2: If by the way, you're wearing I like your man bag.

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Speaker 2: You talk a lot of shit about man bags. Looks

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Speaker 2: good on you there, dude.

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Speaker 3: Seriously, if our j made a T shirt out of

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Speaker 3: this design from Alan w I would personally buy it.

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Speaker 3: I love it. That looks great.

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Speaker 2: Right, forties washed, unadulterated stupidity. That really is the best

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Speaker 2: way to describe this show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would buy that chart. I hope you would too. Finally,

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Speaker 3: Mustache Dad is going to close us out MK universe

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Speaker 3: as a black metal band, he says, And look.

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Speaker 2: At the Morning Combat logo. See here's the problem with

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01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 2: the logo. It's actually too legible. If you're a real

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Speaker 2: death metal band, it shouldn't even be readable. Also, also,

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Speaker 2: I fucking hate this kind of metal. I hate it.

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Speaker 3: Do you see the comment out of my mouth there?

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Speaker 3: Luke black metal Liver?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, black metal Liver am I right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That's great? Oh boy, all right, Luke, you got

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Speaker 3: to go pick up the tukes all right.

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Speaker 2: Let's that's right. I gotta go pick up my daughter.

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Speaker 2: Let's remind everyone Showtime is the label that pays. You

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Speaker 2: can get to showtime dot com get a thirty day

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Speaker 2: free trial and now for the subsequent three months three

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Speaker 2: ninety nine a month for three months following that, pretty

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Speaker 2: great deal. If you want to go, give that a try.

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Speaker 2: Showtime dot com Morningcombat dot store for BC's hat, for

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Speaker 2: this wonderful polo that I'm wearing, and lots of other

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Speaker 2: great stuff. You saw the email address their Morningcombat at

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Speaker 2: gmail dot com for Friday's dead wrong of which I'm hoping,

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Speaker 2: I should say, I'm hoping Mikey curates a little more

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Speaker 2: thoroughly this next upcoming week and BC. Any final thoughts,

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Speaker 2: uh no, but thank you, Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to you, the viewer of the listener. We

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Speaker 3: won that award again, the People's Choice Podcast Award Best

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Speaker 3: Sports Podcast. Don't we don't get there without you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you guys are like, it's like, you know, Luke, It's

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Speaker 3: it's kind of like we're made men. Now. These guys

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Speaker 3: will they'll go do our bidding for us, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean?

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Speaker 2: They will. We have a very reliable and enthusiastic audience

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Speaker 2: for which we should never take for granted for one second,

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Speaker 2: So thank you for all of the votes. We appreciate it,

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01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:08,839
Speaker 2: and don't forget Friday. We'll have a show regular MK Saturday,

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Speaker 2: ME and BC back in the Bomb Shelter seven thirty

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Speaker 2: pm on the Showtime YouTube channel. Getting you ready. We'll

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Speaker 2: be covering the pre limbs off starting at seven thirty

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Speaker 2: pm in the East for the Showtime Championship Boxing that

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Speaker 2: I think takes place at nine or ten thereafter. I

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Speaker 2: have to get that right, so you get the idea,

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Speaker 2: all right for CBS Sports Showtime Malka, the King of Connecticut,

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell himself, I'm Luke Thomas. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 2: guys on Friday, and until then, all of your gains

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Speaker 2: be loyal.