1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Radio Everything, so don't Hey everyone, welcome to the very 3 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: first episode of Worst Year Ever. My name is Katie Stole. 4 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Who are you, guys? My name's I'm I'm Robert of 5 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: the Evans from the Bastards, Robert of the Evans from 6 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: the Bastards, al right, full title. I'm Cody Johnston from 7 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: not that from other stuff, from the other thing that 8 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: we do together, some more news also sometimes from the Bastards, 9 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: frequently from the Bastards, Yeah, frequently, And I have I 10 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: have occasionally been from the news. That's right. There's been 11 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: a lot of cross pollination here, and this is our 12 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: very first official joint Yeah, yeah, finally mixed together. It's 13 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: kind of like how the outrageously like grifting but more 14 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: or less a religious wing of of of the Republican 15 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: Party melded with via the Christian dominionist wing of the 16 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: Republican Party to make our current administration. And things are 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: going great, just like they will in this podcast. Yeah, 18 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: it is quite like that. We are the Republican Party now. 19 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: We we named our show the Worst Year Ever, both 20 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: in the literal sense that is going to be the 21 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: worst year ever for everybody. That's mainly for everybody for us, 22 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: And it's going to be a weekly podcast in it's 23 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: going to be a less than weekly podcast in twenty 24 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: nineteen as we sort of ramp up and get everyone 25 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: prepared for the worst year ever. Um. And today I 26 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: think we we all kind of we're looking at like 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: what we could do to provide something of value to 28 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: listeners rather than just uh, shooting out hot takes about 29 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: what's happening on the belt Way. Uh. And I think 30 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: we landed on spending hours reading about major news sources 31 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: and prominent reporters and analyzing them for their biases and 32 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: flaws in order to give people more context so they 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: can critically review the news that they talk about or 34 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: that they they they ingest over the next year. So 35 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: I think that that's what we're gonna do today. That's right. 36 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: We are better be because that's what I've been doing 37 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: whole week. We're not doing a different thing than that, No, absolutely, Now, Yeah, 38 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: we we've talked a lot about like what we wanted 39 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: this show to be, and I think the goal is 40 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: to provide something of value outside of just our own opinions. 41 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: So this seems like a good way to do it. 42 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll suck it up. That's part of the charm 43 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: of the worst year ever is learning whether or not 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: this all collapses in on itself like a dying star. Yeah. 45 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: I would love to be the first one to suck 46 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: it up and just get it out of the way, 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, So I'm not worried and waiting for it. 48 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: But I don't mean like I have to go first, 49 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: but just in general, all like you're excited, you're excited 50 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: to suck up, Yeah, because then then I won't be 51 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: worried about sucking up. I just want to tear the 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: band aid off because everyone knows well everyone's gonna suk 53 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: up even though we're all trying our best. That is 54 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: about trying your best and failing miserably. Yeah, absolutely did 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: my best, and that's okay. Yeah. I would say if 56 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: we cut off trying your best and from trying your 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: best and failing miserably, we would have a pretty good 58 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: slogan for the Democratic Party. Failing miserably. Yes, absolutely existing 59 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: and failing miserably. You know, it's not bad slogan for 60 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: this podcast either, just putting that out there. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, 61 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: that's that's a good slogan for all of us. So, um, Cody, 62 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: why don't you take us in? Because you have a 63 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: mandolin and that seems to qualify you to start first. 64 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: I do. That's why I carried it around wherever. That 65 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: is that part of your your presentation today. It's my outfit, 66 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: it's my it's my whole deal. It's certainly an accessory. Yeah, 67 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: it gets me in at the front of the line. 68 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: It's Cody trying to be like Jeff Annuals on the 69 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: last episode in the Newsroom where they have an im 70 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: for no reason. By the way, four minutes of a 71 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: song in a garage. Actually John Lemmitt wrote for and 72 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: that's something the Newsroom, Yeah, where they're on the plane 73 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: like we don't know we reported the news do not know? 74 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: Is after his uh sitcom sixteen? Is that what it 75 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: was called? Failed? Uh? Then he worked on the Newsroom 76 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: before going to comedy legend Bill Pullman. Anyway, that's from 77 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: hold On listeners should know. There was a TV show 78 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: by Aaron Sorkin of the West Wing called The Newsroom, 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: which was about an idealized, dumb person's idea of what 80 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: a very centrist news network would look like. And there's 81 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: a scene in it where several of the characters are 82 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: on a plane and people on the plane start getting 83 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: weird text messages because it's the day that Bin Laden 84 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: got shot, and they start worrying that, like the news 85 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: trickling in about how the President's going to address the 86 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: nation means there's been a big arorist attack, and the 87 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: brave journalists and the plane decide that they need to 88 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: essentially hijack the flight to tell everybody that there hasn't 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: been a terrorist attack and been lad instead, and all 90 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: of the plane people get angry at them until they 91 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: hear that been Laud instead, and then they all start hugging. There. 92 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: He's like really mad at the captain and the crew 93 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: of the plane until he sees like the Delta rights 94 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: like the Delta insignia and the fifth branch of the 95 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: Armed for I think it's very self important and serious. 96 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: He's like, captain, I'm here to inform you that you 97 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: and they're yeah, they all hug and like there the 98 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: handshake and oh, it's amazing. It's it's amazing, really self 99 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: important and really my goal, my goal for this podcast 100 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: is that at some point in when the three of 101 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: us are on a plane headed to a convention of 102 00:05:55,040 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: some sort or you know, a major political event or rally. Uh, 103 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: we have a chance to do that. But rather than 104 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: it being about a terrorist being shot, it's us informing 105 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: the plane that one of our elderly candidates has soiled 106 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: himself on a national That is my dream. Yeah, I 107 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: wanted you to know first, Captain that at fourteen minutes 108 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: past noon, Joseph Biden soiled himself while arguing with Bernie Sanders. Yeah, 109 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: you better get on a plane soon, because that's happening tonight. Okay, 110 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: let's let's actually get into this episode. So, yeah, we've 111 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: picked various organizations. Um and I've I so we're gonna 112 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: talk about MPR briefly. Um And because it's it's NPR, 113 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: we all are aware of it. Uh. And brief just 114 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: a brief history of NPR. UM. It seems simple enough. 115 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: NPR it began being a thing that exists in after 116 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: the passage of the Public Broadcasting Act of seven. The 117 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: first broadcast is actually coverage of the Congressional hearings on 118 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: Vietnam and they people, Yeah, they launched their flagship show 119 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: All Things Considered, which you know, I mean kind of 120 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: an impossible claim a consider all of the things, and 121 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: then they added morning a diction eight years later. Um. 122 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: They actually almost went bankrupt in the early eighties and 123 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: they sort of restructured how things work. They got like 124 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: thousands of members stations throughout the country, and they sort 125 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: of pay a fee to them to get their content. Recently, 126 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: as of two thousand nine, of their budget comes from 127 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: corporate sponsors, which I think sets off a little bit. 128 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: But you know, um, but how else are you gonna 129 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: know they're going to consider all things exactly right. Right, 130 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: If it's only publicly funded, then you're not considering the 131 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: big corporate interests, so you know, fair exactly balanced. Consider 132 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: PEPSI consider Coca Cola. That's both of them. Those are 133 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: the two you have. Those are the options. Are the options, 134 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: There is nothing else. Um. They also they actually also 135 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: have to adhere to the truth and advertising rules, So 136 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: like you'll notice on NPR, they never it's never it's 137 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: never promote outing a product. It's just describing it, um, 138 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: which is not you know, that significant, but it's a 139 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people should do on their ads. UM. 140 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: And we'll get to their bias and stuff. We don't 141 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: need to talk about their many scandals, of which there 142 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: are not many. But so, during the in the midst 143 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: of the me too movement, the head of News Senior 144 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: VP and editorial Director, Michael or escus I was accused 145 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: by two women who said that he unexpectedly kissed them 146 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: wait for it, and stuck his tongue in their mouths. 147 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: There's more during job interviews. Well, okay, that's pretty egregious. 148 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: But also if he hadn't done that, then they couldn't 149 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: have considered it. And you have to consider all things exactly, 150 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: which they actually did consider because later, like less of 151 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: a week later, on all things considered, they reported another 152 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: woman who had reported his behavior to HR, so they 153 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: considered everything. Well, good for them, no longer that sounds considerate. Yeah, 154 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: he's no no longer with them, but so so in 155 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: terms of bias do they have it? How much of it? Um? 156 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: They're actually the most trusted news source in America, which 157 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: isn't surprising, although that only means that of them, of 158 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: American things, they're trustworthy, so that I don't know, our 159 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: institutions are crumbling and our trust and our institutions is 160 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: also crumbling, and that seems like a problem, right, Yeah, 161 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: you are. You are considered trustworthy if only thirty nine 162 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: percent of America thinks you are literal lizard people. Exactly. Yeah, 163 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: So congratulations to NPR on probably not being lizard people. 164 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. Well, we'll work on that, all right, 165 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: we can. I can convince you you are. I guess yeah, 166 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: you would be the third of the people who who don't. Okay, 167 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: you're you're you're on board with them not being lizard people. Ah, yeah, 168 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: I'm on board of that. Okay, me too. Okay, perfect, 169 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: that math works out. Um. So they've also been accused 170 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: of bias from everybody. Um, like most people, I don't know, 171 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: you don't you get escape without being accused of biases, right, 172 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: The Right's gonna accuse you bias, less can accuse you 173 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: of bias. That's just how it is. They do have 174 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: an interesting relationship with the Pentagon that like, one of 175 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: the main criticism I think of them is often when 176 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: they get like a press release from the Pentagon where 177 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: they will simply read it at face value and like 178 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: no analysis, no sort of questioning the intent behind it 179 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: or the truth behind it. Sort Of a similar thing 180 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: with interviews they do, which again I think this is 181 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: going to be a theme of just sort of these 182 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: big institutions not necessarily questioning the government or militaryzations, less 183 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: of a right left bias and more a governmental sort 184 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah. They also notably were very pro word 185 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: Iraq as again we'll see many people. Um well, I 186 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: mean I think that worked out pretty well. We we 187 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: knocked that statue down and now Iraq is doing pretty good. Right. 188 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: I don't want to pause the show, but maybe you 189 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: should Google for a while. You want to spend some 190 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: little time on Google. Oh no, oh no, yeah, oh boy. 191 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: All you had to do is typeod Iraq. I don't 192 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: know one other thing I think that of note, they 193 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: made a point to refuse to refer to the Bush 194 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: administration's torture GITMO as torture. Um. They would along with 195 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: the sort of the enhanced interrogation language. Um one they 196 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: get that from the Pentagon. Um. Yeah, I mean that's 197 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: what That's what they wanted us, wanted everybody to call it. 198 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: So they called it enhanced interrogation. Um. This sort of 199 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: like new speak. One might refer to it. I think 200 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: it's reminiscent of something we're also seeing now UM with 201 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: the current situation regarding concentration camps from migrants, which the 202 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: government enjoys referring to as temporary Emergency influx shelters UM, 203 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: which I don't think NPR is referring to them as. 204 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: But so they just sort of have this relationship that 205 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: is a little not questioning of ssations like that, UM 206 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: in terms of bias. And we'll get in more of 207 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: this with the New York Times Watchington Post. Uh, it's 208 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: less left or right, more about the military. But whenever 209 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: I think about nprs possible bias, I actually think of 210 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: a specific interview conducted by David Reuben. God, who I 211 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: we're probably a little too familiar with. UM. We're not 212 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: here to talk about Reuben in terms of like a 213 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: source of news. That would be silly. We're not gonna 214 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: talk about like the grifters or anything like that. But 215 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: in David Reuben interviewed Ken Stern. He's a former CEO 216 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: of NPR who had written a book called How I 217 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: Left the Liberal Bubble and Learned to Love the Right. Uh, 218 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: if you're familiar with the Reuben, you can guess that 219 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: the majority of his interview tried to steer Stern into 220 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: complaining about the left and praising the right, despite his 221 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: book actually being more about like the importance of conversation 222 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: and not like the left is bad and I'm leaving it, 223 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: you know. During the interview, Rube kept coming back to 224 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: the idea of like liberals saying like conservatives with the 225 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: real heroes saying the NPR is useless, saying the NPR 226 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: is incredibly biased and that the government just shouldn't do 227 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: anything about it, especially like when it comes to thing 228 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: like NPR. Basically, he continued to bring up the idea 229 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: that like what if a private company did NPR instead, 230 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: why don't Why does the government do any of this 231 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: at all? Um, that that familiar dance were to start 232 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: credit he was very polite in vehemently disagreeing with all 233 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: of Dave's horse shit, repeatedly pointing out that one of 234 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: the important things about NPR isn't like the fancy, like 235 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: the liberal elite with their gender queer lattes, but rather 236 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: it's for the small towns across the country that without 237 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: NPR they wouldn't have like local news and the kinds 238 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: of access that they do to this information. That's what 239 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: NPR does, which is a big problem with the news 240 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: organization that news at large right now is that people 241 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: don't have access to right, they don't have local news. 242 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: Um and not having access to local news actually makes 243 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: people more polarized. UM. So he kept pointing this out. 244 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: They're like, well, actually, the NPR is really good. It 245 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: brings all this information to people across the country. And 246 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: one thing he didn't mention, NPR runs the public Rade 247 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: your satellite system, which is not just used by NPRS, 248 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: used by everybody. So way to go space. On my 249 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: point though, in bringing up David Reuben is so like 250 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: the former CEO of NPR who wrote a book about 251 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: leaving the liberal bubble. Face to face with Dave Ruben, 252 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: asked over and over again about nprs bias for more 253 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: than an hour, still disagrees with him. The closest he 254 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: came to saying that like, maybe maybe there's some sort 255 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: of unconscious bias, but there's nobody there who's just sort 256 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: of deciding to tell one side of the story, to 257 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: which Dave says, I don't believe you, uh, and that well, 258 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: don't you think maybe there's like an unconscious sort of 259 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: thing going on, which is like, yeah, he literally just 260 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: said that day. It's it's very very funny interview. Um, 261 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm getting off track. I didn't want to talk about 262 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: Dave Ruban, but here we are, with the point being that, like, uh, 263 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: in terms of like their bias, even this guy won't 264 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: say like, oh yeah, they're like a bunch of lefties 265 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: who were like pushing out conservatives. They do give more 266 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: often than not, like both sides of the story equal weight. 267 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: Would you say at they try to make sure that 268 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: all things are considered. Um no, No, that's a little clunky, 269 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: Like that phrase a little clunky. I wouldn't. I wouldn't 270 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: tm that like considering most of every of the things. 271 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: I think. Okay, okay, that's much. That's much keener. Okay, 272 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: sorry continue. Yeah, I can say, for like when I 273 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: my my father, who's very conservative in a Trump voter, 274 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: when we talk about political bias and where he gets 275 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: his news, his go to for I listened to left 276 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: wing news is NPR, Like that's that is to him, 277 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: the left wing take on things. And yeah, I've had 278 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: some very I've had actually some pretty productive discussions with 279 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: him where I'm like, there's actually really no voice for 280 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: like an actual left wing in the American media, Like 281 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: liberals obviously dominate the media there, I would say more 282 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: than sixt but like Hillary Clinton's a liberal, uh, she's 283 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: not a leftist, um like Bernie Sanders isn't like is 284 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: bare early like by most nations standards would be like 285 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: kind of in the center left. Like there's no like 286 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: in there. It's reasonably fair. And I do think and 287 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: I think like kind of the core of of what 288 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: your your essay is getting at, Cody, is that like 289 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: they're certainly valuable and it's good that they exist, but 290 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: they're like kind of a centrist voice, UM that doesn't 291 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: really challenge the status quo outside of like kind of 292 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: in very specific instances, like every now and then you'll 293 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: get a piece like um, I actually found Serial season 294 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: two had some really good sort of critiques about a 295 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: chunk of the country that I came from, UM and 296 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: about like the way that the media covers them. But 297 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: like you know, for the most part, they're trying to 298 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: present sort of the things are more or less fine. 299 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: The system just seeds fine tuning. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, 300 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: I think that as we go through all of this, 301 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: we're going to see that the theme throughout is like, yeah, 302 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: these networks. I'm going to talk about MSNBC. We perceive 303 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: it as a liberal network, but the reality is is 304 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: that it's really pretty centrist. It's really pretty moderate, except 305 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: for like some people that they have on like a 306 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: show is maybe a bit more left leaning, but in 307 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: general it is. And like there's just such a polarization 308 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: in our country that the just trying to stick to 309 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: the facts has now become liberal. You're super liberal when 310 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: it's like actually not, And they're so towing the line 311 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: trying not to become come across as being biased. So 312 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: it's a bit of um a clusterfuck. Yeah. Yeah. I 313 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: sort of get into that too with the New York Times, 314 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: uh in Washington Post because uh and but like is 315 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: a pet people of mind this like the term liberal media, 316 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: like the left wing media, what they always mean almost 317 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: always is corporate media. Yeah. Um, and we should bring 318 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: that back and start saying that, because that is really 319 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: what it is. It's not like, oh yeah, all the 320 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: those MSNBC folks wanting to you know, eat the rich 321 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: or whatever. Uh I don't, I don't. I don't recall 322 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: that happen. So that's that's NPR in a nutshell, I 323 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: think that they're a fine source for like what's happening, 324 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: not necessarily like an analysis of what's going on or 325 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: what could happen or what needs to be done, and honestly, like, yeah, 326 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: if Robert's dad is listening to NPR, even though he 327 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: thinks it's liberal, I think that's good. Yeah, it's just 328 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: good to keep in mind. Yeah, it's good that he's 329 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: he's he's getting exposed to something besides Fox News. Um. Yeah, yeah, 330 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: it's unfortunately that those are the options. But yeah, all right, 331 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: before we continue, though, I'm sorry, you both need to 332 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: shut up because it's time for advertisements. Okay, that was 333 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: a bit aggressive, Okay, okay, alright, fine, I'm fine with 334 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: this because I hate all of our opinions, but I 335 00:18:43,800 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: love products. Yes, well together, and we're back again. Still 336 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: we're back against ill speaking of not Fox News. Should 337 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: I talk about Jake Tapper now, Jay Taps? Sure, I'm 338 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: gonna call him Jay Taps regularly. So. Jake Tapper is 339 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: the chief DC correspondent for CNN. Uh. He headlines a 340 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: show called The Lead, which is a weekday TV news show. 341 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 1: He also has a Sunday show uh. And according to 342 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people, he's basically the closest thing that 343 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: we in two thousand nineteen have to a guy like 344 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: Walter Cronkite. In March, The New Republic published an article 345 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: titled why almost in parentheses, everyone likes Jake Tapper um. 346 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: And that's basically the theme of the article is that, 347 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: like Jay taps is, uh is our our best shot 348 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: at a new Walter Cronkite. And since like nobody listening 349 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: to the show was alive when Walter Cronkite was on 350 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: the air, um, he was this anchorman for CBS Evening 351 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: News throughout like the entirety of the sixties and the 352 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: seventies pretty much, and he was considered the most trusted 353 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: man in America for about twenty years. UM. And so 354 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, because we're in this post truth era where 355 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: where nothing is real and nobody can agree on even 356 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: basic facts about science, a lot of people are desperate 357 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 1: for a voice of reason who can get Americans united 358 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 1: behind some sort of like basic minimal understanding of the facts, 359 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: Which is an impulse I understand. I get wanting that. Um, well, 360 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: I think we all would like that to happen. Keeping. Yeah, 361 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: it would be nice if we could just all agree 362 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: that the climates changing as the largest hurricanes in history 363 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: continue to batter our shorts, that it's changing and why 364 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 1: it's changing, and that we could do something about it. 365 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: You know what, Cody all start with that it's changing, alright, alright, Um, 366 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: So that New Republic article basically made the case, yeah, 367 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: that Jake Tapper was like our our our new most 368 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: trusted man in America, and it included quotes for a 369 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: bunch of left and right wing pundits, all these guys, 370 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: it include all these people with different views like expressing 371 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: respect for Jake Tapper. One example is this quote from 372 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: Nick Gillespie, an editor at Reason magazine, which is like 373 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: the libertarianist large magazine or news source in the country. 374 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: Tapper is the only person who when I see him 375 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: on TV, I stopped to listen. No matter what, he 376 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: forces people who think Sheriff Scott Israel is a good 377 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: guy to face up to the fact that Israel is 378 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: kind of full of ship. And he pushes Dana Lotion 379 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: the n r A to really explain their contradictions when 380 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: it comes to recently stated ideas about gun policy. I mean, 381 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 1: I'm a libertarian. So I hesitate to say anything as 382 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: a public service, but that's kind of a great public 383 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: service he's doing. So that's that's that's that's yeah. Now, 384 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: uh yeah, the exact public service. Yeah, I hesitate to 385 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: say anything as a public service, but here's a public 386 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: service being provided by this guy who's works for a private, 387 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: corporate media company. Um. Yeah, Libertarians are consistent above all else. Um. Now, 388 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: the exact coverage that Lspie was referencing there is kind 389 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: of part of the reason I questioned Tapper's value as 390 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: an impartial voice. Scott Israel was the Broward County sheriff 391 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: when the Parkland shooting happened. His department was rightfully criticized 392 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: for its pisport response to the massacre, which some characterized 393 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: as basically waiting while kids died out of you know, cowardice. Uh. 394 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: Tapper gained mass approval from the right wing when he 395 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: conducted a penetrating and deeply critical interview of Israel, saying 396 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: things like, just so people watching at home understand, even 397 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: after the shooter left the school, there was a period 398 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: of time where nobody was going into the school, no 399 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: law enforcement officers. People were bleeding out now. For this, 400 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: Glennbeck declared Jake Tapper the number one journalist in the nation. 401 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro called it a perfect interview. But days later, 402 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: when Tapper held a special scene in town hall on 403 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: gun violence uh and held Republican feat to the fire 404 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: on gun control, the right wing reaction was much less positive. 405 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro called it a show trial on behalf of 406 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: full gun bands. So I don't the New Republic articles 407 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: shows this as like an example of how he's he's 408 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: widely respected by all sides. Um. This just seems like 409 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: an example of the fact that when Jake Tapper reinforces 410 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: people's beliefs, they like him, and when his coverage doesn't, 411 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: they hate him. I don't know, he did he did 412 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: something they liked, and so they're like, oh, he's perfect, 413 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: and then days later they changed their mind because because 414 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: he did something else, like that's not it's Twitter culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 415 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: it's Twitter culture. Um. So some people, like the writer 416 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: at the New Republic who wrote that piece, consider this 417 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: as evidence that he's universally respected. Like I said, I 418 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: don't know that I really agree with that, and I 419 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: don't see any evidence that like any of these pundits 420 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: who have praised him for specific things he's done have 421 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: like seriously reconsidered their views because of anything he's reported 422 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 1: on UM And I may just be a pessimist here, 423 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: but I kind of worry a little bit about Tapper's 424 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: reputation for fairness. I think it matters a lot to him, 425 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: and I think the word fairness should set your hackles 426 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: arise whenever it's used to apply to a journalist. Journalism 427 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: is not about fairness. It's about the truth, and the 428 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: truth is often not fair. Journalists should be capable of 429 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: looking at issues from an objective point of view, but 430 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they need to present both sides of 431 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: every issue as equally valid. It just means they need 432 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: to be able to evaluate the evidence before presenting their 433 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: audience with the truth. And I'm not gonna say Tapper 434 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: is inherently bad at this. He's actually done pretty well sometimes, 435 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: at least compared to the rest of the media. And 436 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: this brings me to how J. Tapps first became a 437 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: national name. Are you guys aware of what his first 438 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: big story was? I don't believe that, I am I 439 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: can't wait to find out. Okay, So he wrote a 440 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: very widely read article for Washington City Paper for the 441 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: Washington City Paper about Monica Lewinsky right after that scandal broke, 442 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: And the article was probably the most sympathetic piece written 443 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: about miss Lewinsky by a mainstream journalist, like at the 444 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: time when she was under attack by every reporter and 445 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: hat comedian in the country. So, like, you know, Monica 446 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: Lewinsky becomes public enemy number one for Democrats and a 447 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: lot of liberals. Uh, And Jake Apper writes a very 448 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: sympathetic piece like making her out as like a full 449 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: and complete human being who's like not a monster and 450 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 1: like not doing this to try to like scam some 451 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: money out of Bill Clinton or whatever. Um. So that's good, right, 452 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: Like that's a positive thing to do. There's there's some 453 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: problematic aspect, Like I'll say this in fairness to Jake, 454 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: his article was probably the fairest article about Monica Lewinsky 455 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: that came out through like a really mainstream site or 456 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: like a news source at the time, But that doesn't 457 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: mean it wasn't also problematic. It's title was I Dated 458 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky. Yeah, yeah, so Jake Tapper had gone on 459 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 1: a date with Monica Lewinsky before the scandal Brook. The 460 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: framing of the piece is that our man j Taps 461 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: is out on a diving trip in the Cayman Islands 462 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: and as he's like at an airport, the scandal breaks 463 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: and he reads about it in a local newspaper. Um 464 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: and the fact that he had just been diving does 465 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: not really direct the interface with any aspect of the story, 466 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: but he brings it up constantly throughout the piece, and 467 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm a diver in like three time. It takes a 468 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: lot of long capacity. He talks about Barracuda's and how 469 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: like you you know, when you're comparing her to a Barracuda. No, 470 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: But he talks about how like disorienting it is to 471 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: like get reacclimated to the twenty four hour news cycle 472 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: after being away from it, and how it's like diving 473 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: more than two atmospheres down and how you have to 474 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: slowly like sting. That's gonna stick forever. Now, Jake Tap, 475 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 1: that's all I think of it now. He loves his diving, 476 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: or at least he did at one point in nine. 477 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: It also might be the only time he went diving, 478 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: and he just had to get some words out, like 479 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, I got to do a metaphor what 480 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: am I gonna? Where was I? Okay? Yeah, perfect, perfect fish. 481 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: So the core of the article is that, yeah, he 482 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: went on a dinner date with Monica Lewinsky before the 483 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: scandal broke and he thought she was a nice girl. 484 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: He repeatedly talks about how she's different from other DC 485 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: career oriented women. Um. He makes two separate references to 486 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: her weight, calling her zaft, dig and chubby at different points. 487 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: He makes a third reference to how she eats appetizers 488 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: and not salad, which he does present as positive, but 489 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: it's really weird and context Yeah, he does repeatedly. Also, 490 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: one date doesn't when you dated? Now? Now, now, Katie, 491 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: do you want to do you think? Jake Tapper talked 492 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: about whether or not he fucked Monica Lewinsky in this 493 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: article he wrote for a mainstream news source. Oh no, 494 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: he didn't, did he? He so did? He didn't. He 495 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: didn't fuck her, but he talked about how she didn't 496 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: fuck him. Um, I'm gonna quote a selection from that 497 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: that selection from the piece, because it really says a 498 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: lot about Jake Tapper. Quote, and to be brutally honest, 499 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: I got with her because I figured that behind her 500 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: initial aggressiveness looked an easy, perhaps winning, bit of no 501 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: frills hook up. Nothing of the kind happened. So either 502 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: I am imminently resisted, which is certainly within the realm 503 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: of possibility, or Monica is not the tart she's being 504 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: made out to be. Yeah, and nauseated. There's more. Oh yeah, 505 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: there's more. Yeah. Maybe if I had the Marines under 506 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,959 Speaker 1: by command, things would have been different, But I'm not 507 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: so sure. All right, okay, I mean he sounds like 508 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: you inside. I would have gotten the military to force 509 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: her to Oh my god. Uh. Power does weird things 510 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: to people. More than once, I have found myself laughing 511 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: my ass off and nodding in agreement while some fading 512 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: star has held forth on something I could care less 513 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: about offended me. Even does that make me a knitwit 514 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: a himbo waiting to happen? I think it just makes 515 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: me toweringly average in Washington, just another creature who is 516 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: here because that is where the national vat of power 517 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: lies and I'm sitting here waiting for my bowl full. 518 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: Uh so he knows, he knows who he is is, 519 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: why he is there, and what he's doing. What he wants, 520 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: all right. Also props for the term himbo. Yeah, that's 521 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: um clever himbo. I've never heard that term before. It's 522 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: super nineties. Was bimbo but him Yeah, yeah, mail bimbo 523 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: or whatever. I would go with membo or just neither 524 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: knowing where like news budgets were before the internet really 525 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: took hold of my imagination of that. The like the 526 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: day that he came up with that frame as he 527 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: sat down at his computer for about four minutes, like 528 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: staring at that paragraph, wrote bimbo and then deleted the 529 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: word be and added an h and said that's enough 530 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: for the day. I'm going to collect my four thousand dollars. 531 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: And he's like, go out to dinner. Yeah, I'm an 532 00:29:52,280 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: award for this. They can't send ye before your approval America. Yeah. Now, 533 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: in more recent days, Jake's commitment to fairness and to 534 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: listening to voices on all sides of the political aisle 535 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: has led to him getting played by right wing grifters. 536 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: Regular listeners Behind the Bastards my other podcast will have 537 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: heard the episode I did on Andy no, a Portland 538 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 1: area news grifter. He was famously attacked by Antifa. This 539 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: was presented in the mainstream media as an unprovoked assault 540 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: by anti fascists against a journalist just doing his job. Now, 541 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: video was later released that showed Andy participating in a 542 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: right wing mob as it armed itself, planned and carried 543 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: out an unprovoked assault on a left wing cider bar 544 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: on May Day. A young woman was struck from behind 545 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: and had her spine broken as part of that assault. 546 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: This was one of the major inciting incidents of the attack. 547 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: On no a month later, he wasn't hit for being 548 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: a journalist. He was hit for being part of a 549 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: violent right wing street gang. Now that doesn't make it right, 550 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: but time and context has shown that presenting his assault 551 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: as Antifa attacks a journalist for no reason was deeply inaccurate. Nonetheless, 552 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: Andy was able to grift like two hundred thousand dollars 553 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: and provided fuel for the government to declare Antifa domestic 554 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: terrorist group in the weeks before that video drop up. 555 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: He was able to do all of this in large 556 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: part thanks to Jake Tapper. Within minutes of the assault, 557 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: Jay Tapps retweeted Andy's video of himself you know after 558 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: he got hit, saying and Jake said quote Antifa regularly 559 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: attacks journalists. It's reprehensible. They do not. They just do not. 560 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: I've been around them dozens of times. I I know 561 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: dozens of journalists who have. I have watched them shove 562 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: cameras a couple of times. There are isolated incidents where 563 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: individuals have punched like One of the most famous ones 564 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: is um Taylor Lawrence, who wrote recently for The Atlantic. 565 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: I think now is with the New York Times. She 566 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: got punched by an anti fascist during the two seventeen 567 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: Charlottesville rally. Um she was punched because immediately after the 568 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: terrorist attack that killed Heather Higher, she was filming and 569 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: this person, in a very emotionally charged time, hit her. 570 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: It doesn't make it right. Obviously, there's some defensible cases 571 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: as a journalist for filming in the wake of something 572 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: like that, but declaring that a guy who has just 573 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: watched someone get murdered in a terrorist attack, having an 574 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 1: extreme emotional reaction and punching a journalist does not equate 575 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: to Antifa regularly purchased journalists. They just don't like and 576 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: that he that he should know that I don't. I 577 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: don't know that he does. I don't know that he does. 578 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: I think Jake Tapper is addicted to this reputation he 579 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: has of like showing both sides, and this video with 580 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: no context, looked like a clear case of how he 581 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: could like attack a left wing group and get a 582 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: win with the right. And I think that's more important 583 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: to Jake than actually and also having a take on 584 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: this thing that had happened and became the biggest news 585 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: story of the day was more important to him than 586 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: doing any sort of research, digging into the issue and 587 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: figuring out what was going on like a journalist. Um. 588 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: I do think Jake Tapper probably was a journalist at 589 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: one point, Like one of the things I can respect 590 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: about him, as he actually had got his start doing 591 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: a lot of like freelancing and stuff, so you know, 592 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: he had to work his way up to an extent um. 593 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: But what he's doing now and what he did with 594 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: Andy No was not journalism. It was punditry, and it 595 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: was wildly irresponsible and dangerous pundit tree. So when Jake 596 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: Tapper does something like arrange a discussion between people like 597 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio and like some of the Parkland kids about 598 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: gun control, that's a good thing. I'm glad that existed. 599 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad he was a part of that. Um. I'm 600 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: not going to say he's always bad or you should 601 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: never trust him on anything. He clearly has his skills. 602 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: That said, you should be wary about trusting him or 603 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: his coverage when he comments on something he has not 604 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: personally investigated at any depth. Um, because he seems to 605 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: have an addiction to being seen as a fair and 606 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: balanced reporter of both sides, and that can be taken 607 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: advantage of power. Yeah, he wants his bowl full of power. 608 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: We had to take a quick break for an ad. God, 609 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: I love ads. Are we going to consider this? We 610 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: are considering all things. Yeah, it's one of the things. 611 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: So let's all just take a moment to consider this 612 00:33:52,240 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: well together everything. Wow, were as ill of them already? 613 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: I am. I am as hard as a pipe, real gate, y'all. 614 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: Thanks to those ads. Oh good, that's exactly where I 615 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: need you to be to talk about MSNBC and Rachel Maddow. 616 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: So that's perfect. I'm trying to make this show accessible 617 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: to my fellow Southerners. So I compared my penis to 618 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: something that would appear on a farm, and you know what, 619 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: we all appreciated it and learned something about you and 620 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: about farms, cool and your friends and your dick and 621 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: just learning a lot of stuff right now. All right, 622 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: let's learn some stuff about MSNBC. Al Right, Okay. MSNBC 623 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: is one of the farthest reaching channels in the country, 624 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: reaching about a one percent of households with cable. That's 625 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: a lot. MSNBC was launched as a partnership between NBC 626 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: and Microsoft, but no NBC at that time was owned 627 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: by General Electric. By and large, it is considered to 628 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: be a liberal network, you know, like we talked about 629 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: just a few minutes before this, but I would actually 630 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: say that it's just more liberal leaning. A lot of 631 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: people out there consider MSNBC to be the Fox News 632 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: or the left, and Rachel matt Out to be the 633 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: left Sean Hannity, which is ultimately not fair. But there 634 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: are some strands of truth to that, which we're going 635 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: to get to in a minute. But yeah, in reality, 636 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: it is very much a moderate network with predominantly moderate 637 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: hosts and shows like Morning Joe and Chris Matthews, and 638 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: in general, MSNBC is very much in line with the 639 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: Democratic establishment. Um. Actually, a Pew Research poll found that 640 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: MSNBC was the number two choice for people who backed 641 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. And another interesting little tidbit that I found 642 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: is that apparently Fox News viewers are more likely to 643 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: back Bernie Sanders than people who watch MSNBC. Uh. This 644 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: is according to a Morning Consult poll, which of Fox 645 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: News viewers who also identified as potential Democratic primary voters 646 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: back Standers compared to just thirt of MSNBC viewers. So 647 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: you know, that kind of sends a lot. Says a 648 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: lot about the demographics of m MSNBC and how they 649 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: tend to skew um. But all of that said, MSNBC 650 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: does also tracked a lot of progressives and Bernie voters, 651 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: specifically to the Rachel Maddow Show. Now, I like to 652 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Rachel. Uh. She was born 653 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: Catholic family Castro Valley, California. She got her b A 654 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: at Stanford was the first openly gay Rhodes scholar in 655 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: American history. Uh. Yeah, you know that's pretty cool. She 656 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: also got outed by her school newspaper at Stanford for 657 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: being gay. She hadn't told her parents yet, but they 658 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: like yeah. She did her graduate and doctoral work at 659 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: Lincoln College, Oxford, and has a PhD in politics. As 660 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned, she's openly gay. She's been with her partner season. 661 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: This doesn't have much to do with the news, but 662 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: I just wanted to share this. One little fact is 663 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: that they never got married, which is no big deal, 664 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: but she's openly commented a few times that she actually 665 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: thinks gay marriage denigrades gay culture, that it like detracts 666 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: from how they recognize long term relationships. And that's gotten 667 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: a lot of flak from other people. I mean, I'm 668 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: I don't identify as gay, but I've heard, you know, 669 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: seeing comments and read it threads about that people being 670 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: pretty disappointed with it. But anyway, Rachel started her career 671 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: in radio in Massachusetts after she want to contest to 672 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: be a morning co host for Dave in the Morning. 673 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: She then eventually joined Air America in two thousand four 674 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: and then got her own two hour Rachel Matto radio program. 675 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: Uh and that's when her star began to rise and 676 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: she started becoming a frequent guest on MSNBC, specifically on 677 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: the long forgotten Tucker Carlson Show. Remember when yeah, MSNBC 678 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: s Tuck her Carlson. Uh yeah, she I guess she 679 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: was invited on to regularly get his goat. You know, 680 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: back then, Tucker was still a conservative, but you know, 681 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: he had some sort of morals still, I guess. But 682 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: then you know, he left for Fox News and turned 683 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: into a cockroach, and she was given her own hour 684 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,479 Speaker 1: long show on MSNBC. Surprisingly, Rachel has said about herself 685 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: in interviews that she has never and still don't think 686 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 1: of myself as an Obama supporter, either professionally or actually. 687 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: And she feels liberated by having a professional role in 688 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: which is probably better for me to not take sides. 689 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: And I concluded that because that was pre Trump um, 690 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: so it's maybe a little less hypocritical than it sounds 691 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: and more like, no, it's kind of hypocritical, but it 692 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: is foreshadowing for how how much she would change in 693 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: the near future. Like I said, Rachel is MSNBC's probably 694 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: their most liberal host. And yeah, she is pretty biased. 695 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,439 Speaker 1: She's been beating this Russia drum, the entirety of this 696 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: administration um every night, although according to interviews, she apparently 697 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: sees herself as not a partisan and calls herself a 698 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: national security liberal And I'm not what do you guys 699 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,720 Speaker 1: think that means? I don't know, that's a liberal who gets, 700 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: if you'll pardon the term hard, whenever we shoot missiles 701 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: at somebody like a national security liberal is like the 702 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: mainstream of TV guys. When we launched those cruise missiles 703 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: at one of the Charlasad's air bases, talked about the 704 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: beauty of our weapons security. I thought that might be 705 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: but it was very confusing to me because she was 706 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: also very against the Iraq war. She wrote a lot 707 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: about it, did a lot of reporting about that, So 708 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: that was a bit confusing to me. But that's how 709 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 1: she identifies. And so anyway, let's talk about post Rachel, 710 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: like I said, kind of lost her mind over this 711 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: Russia investigation. And look on an emotional level, I do 712 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: get it. Uh, this was this huge mystery. We have 713 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 1: no trust in the government that they would conduct and 714 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: effect an effective investigation. And we understand that journalists do 715 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: a lot of work breaking stories. However, what she's done 716 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: is different. She's meandered into conspiracy theories. You know, night 717 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 1: after night she presents this ever building sense of anticipation. 718 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: She spins stories and theorized and planted seeds of conspiracy 719 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: that absolutely ratcheted up the hysteria. You know, again, of 720 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: households watch, you know, like get MSNBC um while also 721 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: ignoring actually important things that were happening on a day 722 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: to day basis. I would call her like one side, 723 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: like there's two different ways in which liberal or left 724 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: wing journalists fucked up coverage of Russia Gate. On one side, 725 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: you've got Rachel Maddow, who makes it into this gigantic 726 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: like and and really like clear conspiracy, which it wasn't, 727 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: and so like by getting people to expect that, she 728 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: did huge damage alike getting people to take seriously the 729 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: actual crimes that were committed. And then on the other side, 730 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: you've got Glenn Greenwald who insisted like nothing really wrong 731 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: was done and like there was nothing to focus on 732 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: in there, which is also untrue because there was a 733 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: lot of shady exactly, but it like it really was 734 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: at a detriment to the actual findings of the investigation 735 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: and to what we expect, you know, and and you know, 736 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: when she kept promises the way she built it up, 737 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: it always met. It always felt like the hammer is 738 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: about to fall. And so not all the Campones vaulted, Yeah, 739 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: al Capones vaulted. It's like and it's so not only 740 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: is it deflating what we actually find, but I think 741 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 1: it contributes a lot to people's burnout throughout those those years, 742 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: these years, and like yeah, like just building up expectations 743 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: and dashing them. She did the similar thing with his 744 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,439 Speaker 1: tax returns. Yes, exactly right when she says we've got them. Yeah, 745 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: Like there's a whole thing everyone's like on Twitter, like, oh, 746 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: we gotta everyone tune into Rachel maddout for the tax 747 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: returns and it was not really anything. Why didn't you 748 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: look into that before you did this whole thing? Yeah? 749 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: Or you knowing Lee, you knew that pumped it up? 750 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: So anyway, you know, I just think it's important to 751 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: note all of that because if we're going to going 752 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: to criticize Fox News, let's say, for being irresponsible with 753 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: their reporting, you really have to do the same thing 754 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: for Rachel Mattow And interesting Lee, she was just hit 755 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: with a ten million dollar defamation lawsuit from the O 756 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: a N Network. What is the O a N Network? Well, 757 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,240 Speaker 1: that stands for One American News, which is a small, 758 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: family owned conservative network based in San Diego that's currently 759 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: been a challenging Fox News for you conservative cable viewers. 760 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: You may also remember them for receiving a lot of 761 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: favorable attention recently from Donald Trump. Obviously he loves you've 762 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: got some programming on that show. They did, like it's 763 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: a film on the greens. It's so very bad. Anyway, 764 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: they're suing Rachel for calling them paid Russia propaganda on air. 765 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,439 Speaker 1: I guess Comcast, which owns MSNBC, had refused to carry 766 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: the own network. And then a couple of weeks later, 767 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: Rachel discussed a story that was first broke by The 768 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: Daily Beast about an own employee who also worked for 769 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: spot Nick News. Um, and she built to the point 770 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: that in this case, the most obsequiously pro Trump right 771 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: wing news outlet in America really literally is paid Russian propaganda. 772 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 1: And also they're on air US politics reporter is paid 773 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: by the Russian government to produce propaganda for that government. 774 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: But this isn't actually accurate, Um, the reporter uh Ukrainian. 775 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: I believe Christian Ruse was a freelancer for spot Nick News, 776 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: not a staff employee, and according to the lawsuit, his 777 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: work there has nothing to do with his work at own. 778 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, I just poked around a little there. If 779 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: he worked for Sputnik, it is literally accurate to say 780 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: that he is a paid employee of the Russian intelligence apparatus, 781 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 1: because that's who runs sput Nick News. That said, that 782 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: doesn't make her claim that O. A. N is like 783 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 1: literally Russian propaga accurate. But if this guy wrote thousands 784 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: of articles for sput Nick, he absolutely is paid was 785 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: paid by the Russian security establishment, right, but anything that 786 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: he did, But like what he's doing on the own network, 787 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: he doesn't talk about anything Russia, is what I'm getting to, Like, yes, 788 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: he has worked for them in the past. There's like 789 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: this grain and like, yes, that's something interesting to know. 790 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,840 Speaker 1: Like talking about it on you know, this highly popular 791 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: uh program that she has and framing it as he's 792 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: literally being paid by the Russian government to put propaganda 793 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,919 Speaker 1: in the American news stream isn't accurate. Uh, it's hard 794 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 1: to prove based on it's hard to prove and like map, 795 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe maybe there's a world where it is, 796 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: but that's not a provable thing based on what she 797 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: has and it was. It's an irresponsible thing in my opinion, 798 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: to put out there. It's a kind of Louise Menci 799 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: Yesua sort of like everyone is uh, everyone's a Russian 800 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: troll or a Russian pot or a Russian asset, no 801 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: matter what you say. Yeah, anyway, that's that's my little 802 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: bit about Rachel Maddow. And like I have enjoyed her 803 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: at times. I think that she's incredibly intelligent, and I 804 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: think she asks good questions, like she has done some 805 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,879 Speaker 1: great interviews. Um, she does follow up consistently with people. 806 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: But I've stopped watching her program personally because I can't. 807 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't like to have to sift through what is 808 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily true? What's her theorizing? It's frequently 809 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: like you know, could this be a plant? Could you know, 810 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: have they taken over our government? She says things like 811 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: that regularly. Yeah, she's got a lot of that uh 812 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: Charlie Day energy with the strings on the wall and stuff, 813 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,399 Speaker 1: and like some of it is true like that she says, 814 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: because she's a reporter, she like, like you said, she's intelligent, 815 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: she researches stuff, but a lot of it is just 816 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:17,479 Speaker 1: like putting strings, uh, connecting them to other photos and stuff. Yeah. 817 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: I think she's a perfect example of how toxic TV 818 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: news is because you've got this person who is an intelligent, 819 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: thoughtful person, and if she if she had limited her 820 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 1: journalism career to heavily researching and putting out a limited 821 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: number of articles or or videos on subject she'd investigated thoroughly, Um, 822 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: she'd probably have done some great work. But because she 823 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 1: was putting out like what was it the nightly show? Um, 824 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: you've got to like drive up viewership and do this, 825 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: do this style components vault bullshit where you like you 826 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: have to you have to hype it up and get 827 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: people listening, which means that like you're constantly you do, 828 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: there's no way to responsibly get that much useful news 829 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: out to people on that kind of a schedule, So 830 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: you're going to essentially wind up lying to them about 831 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: what you have on a regular basis, which like is 832 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 1: part of why nobody trusts or believes in anything even anymore. 833 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: And I'm saying, like Rachel matt I was responsible for 834 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: the death of truth. Her career is an example of 835 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,760 Speaker 1: a piece of the death of truth. And like how toxic. 836 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,359 Speaker 1: Don't listen to TV news, don't watch TV news. It's bad. 837 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: It's killing everything. I've stopped, you know, I used to 838 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: trying to get every different perspectives. But yeah, you weren't 839 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: really getting different perspectives. You pad, you pad everything, and 840 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: then you sensationalized everything, and then it's yeah, yeah, yeah, 841 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: it takes like no really like like the best journalists 842 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 1: in the world right now getting maybe a dozen really 843 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: good scoops a year. Yeah. Time. Also like when you 844 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,320 Speaker 1: take a long time, Yeah, you put work into it, 845 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, outside of like reporting, Yeah, you want to 846 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 1: take like, Okay, the thing happened. I could have a 847 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: take like a Jake Tapper. I could have a take 848 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: right now, or I could wait, because but you can't wait. 849 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,839 Speaker 1: It has to be immediate. Everything's immediate with and Twitter now. 850 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,400 Speaker 1: So it's just it's all poisoned. It's all poisoned. Stop watching. 851 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like I have We've I've talked, like 852 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: my parents are both Trump voters, and so I talked 853 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: to them regularly about what they what they consume news wise, 854 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: and we have a lot of arguments, some friendly, some 855 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 1: not so friendly about like you know, my attempting to 856 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: get them to like pay attention to stuff that's not 857 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,239 Speaker 1: Fox News, and they do, but it's always other TV news, 858 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: And like they finally asked, like, well, what else should 859 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: we be watching? Like don't watch it like reported articles 860 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,240 Speaker 1: like like like like like that's that's what's important. Don't 861 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: don't fill your brain with like this daily flood of 862 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: we have to get something out, you know, by five 863 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,759 Speaker 1: this afternoon. So like we're not going to look into 864 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: it at all. We're just going to shoot out like 865 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,640 Speaker 1: whatever story we have, Like it's the same thing that 866 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,800 Speaker 1: with like Jake Tapper and the ship having in Portland. 867 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 1: You've got this story that's been going on for three 868 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: years and it's very complicated and a bunch of journalists 869 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: have devoted thousands of hours to like reporting it and 870 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: studying it. And then Jake just bulges in and was like, 871 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna get something out today. It's nine words, like 872 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: like it's the same. Yeah, I don't know that we're 873 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,279 Speaker 1: gonna have time to talk about the daily I also 874 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: looked into that there's not much to say about it, 875 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 1: but that's a pretty thoughtful podcast and the antithesis of 876 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: what we're just talking about. Because they don't do things 877 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: right away. They'll still make it topical, but they're going 878 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,800 Speaker 1: to take a beat to craft something, you know, and 879 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 1: to interview people and get a couple of different people 880 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: to talk about So The Daily is a good podcast 881 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 1: you can check out. It's every day between twenty and 882 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,879 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. They're preparing these topics and then like if 883 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,879 Speaker 1: it has to do with the news, they'll talk. It's 884 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: thoughtful yeah, um, and not sensationalist, but honest, you know, 885 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 1: I haven't listened to all of them. I'm sure they've 886 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 1: made miss But you can't have a good reporting and 887 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 1: honest reporting on a daily basis. You just have to 888 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 1: take the time. It has to be varied because like 889 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,919 Speaker 1: what they do on the daily, they're not just having 890 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 1: like a stable of pundits being like what do you 891 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: think about this thing that's happened, But they can't possibly 892 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: have researched, their having like a specific person who spent 893 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: probably months or weeks at least studying that story and 894 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: like reporting it, like to talk about it. Yeah, people 895 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: together yelling at each other about their modern Yeah, Like 896 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: the modern state of cable news, especially as it like 897 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: applies to politics, is like if you went to a 898 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 1: It's like if you hired six really good looking people 899 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: to diagnose cars, uh, and like had them run a 900 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: mechanic shop, and it's like, well, but they don't they 901 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 1: don't know anything about like cars. They're they're just good 902 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,799 Speaker 1: looking people who are good at talking. Uh, it's it's 903 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: it's it's dumb. It's bad. It's killing us all. Speaking 904 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 1: of stills, I'm going to start operating an illegal whiskey 905 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,280 Speaker 1: still in order to keep myself saying throughout the election 906 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: that's going to be the worst year of all of 907 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: our lives. Would you guys like to do an episode 908 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,760 Speaker 1: where we drink my homemade moonshine and possibly go blind 909 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: live on the air. We can live stream it. Can 910 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: I do that without going blind? All? Right? We can 911 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 1: only live once? Right, you only live once, and I'm 912 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: well informed you only go blind once. Well, that's good, 913 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 1: just getting out of the way, kind of like me 914 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: sharing my first section here on our new show, and 915 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: we've kind of run out of time, so we have 916 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: to wrap this one up and continue sharing all of 917 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: our research on another episode. Yeah, we're gonna have a 918 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: part two. It'll be on the day that this comes out, too, 919 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,839 Speaker 1: So if you're listening to it, don't worry, you don't 920 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,720 Speaker 1: have to wait, Just go get the second one. Now, guys, 921 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: isn't this just a shameless attempt to get more downloads. 922 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,919 Speaker 1: Um okay. I would say it's an attempt to make 923 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: not a two and a half hour podcast. But also 924 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,360 Speaker 1: I feel no shame about it. Oh no shame, no shame, 925 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,239 Speaker 1: no shame. No. The beauty of the post truth era 926 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,640 Speaker 1: is that shame is dead, because no matter how shameful 927 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,560 Speaker 1: we act, there's always been Shapiro exactly. Speaking of which, 928 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: I have some brain pills to sell. Thank god I 929 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,800 Speaker 1: could use them. They do, they work well, they're not 930 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:17,400 Speaker 1: commercial people blind. Some people say they're just sila cybin 931 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,240 Speaker 1: mushrooms that I ground up, uh and and and poured 932 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,239 Speaker 1: into a cup with my morning coffee. Yes, not the 933 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 1: magical Is that the magical guy? Because I'm looking for 934 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,759 Speaker 1: a place to buy mushrooms? So great, well, Katie, I 935 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: think that's a conversation for our nextcast. I'm looking for 936 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: a place to buy mushrooms, which catchy. All right, we 937 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: have to tonight, all right, we have to wrap this 938 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: up now, but we're going to be back immediately. So 939 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 1: you're welcome to say goodbye, and we're gonna say hello. 940 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna say goodbye, and we're all going to be 941 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 1: played out by our theme song, which, if my notes 942 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,840 Speaker 1: are correct was written and performed by the inimitable Bob Dylan. 943 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 1: So it's true. Let's roll it, um, what's wrong? Real quick? 944 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: If you want to find us, you can check out 945 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,839 Speaker 1: our website Worst Year Pod dot com. You can check 946 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 1: us on Twitter, Worst Year Pod or on Instagram. Worst 947 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: Year Pod on Instagram. That did I do all those right? 948 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,800 Speaker 1: I was reading, I was reading off of Sophie screen 949 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,480 Speaker 1: across the table, and I've got bad eyes, so I 950 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 1: got I love professionalism, professionalism. Yeah, I'm just wadding. Just 951 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 1: pull again, pull, pull off the band aid. Speaking of 952 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:51,960 Speaker 1: band aids, here's Bob Dylan again. Lovely. Worst Year Ever 953 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,640 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts 954 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,960 Speaker 1: from my heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, 955 00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,920 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.