Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker.
Speaker 1: So the decisions have been made. Republicans have chosen a
Speaker 1: four time indicted ninety one counts rapists as their nominee
Speaker 1: for President of the United States. Oh and also he
Speaker 1: is a fraudulent businessman and not as rich as he
Speaker 1: has said. But in their opinion, voting for a woman
Speaker 1: just wasn't an option. So Nikki Hailey is out, and
Speaker 1: she did not readily endorse Donald Trump. She said that
Speaker 1: he would have to quote earn her voters. Give me
Speaker 1: a fucking break. Also in the news Mitch McConnell, who
Speaker 1: has come out and endorsed Donald Trump as well. What
Speaker 1: I realized, not what I realize, what we've known, and
Speaker 1: it's just like so fucking gross about the Republican Party
Speaker 1: is that they have no morals, no conviction, no backbone,
Speaker 1: no desire to do right by anyone other than themselves.
Speaker 1: They embody white privilege, toxic masculinity, patriarchy, greed, hatred. That's
Speaker 1: who this party is and to say anything otherwise is
Speaker 1: a lie. And for the media moving forward, which is
Speaker 1: going to try and jam down everyone's throat this horse
Speaker 1: race matchup between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. I just
Speaker 1: want folks to be very clear, which I know that
Speaker 1: you all are, but I want you to make the
Speaker 1: folks around you really fucking clear, because that's my goal here.
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Speaker 1: just sitting down and talking to folks about where their
Speaker 1: head is at for November, that's our real goal here
Speaker 1: on WOKF. You know, it isn't for me about the
Speaker 1: clicks or the downloads or any of that. I just
Speaker 1: want those that are faithful to the truth, to democracy,
Speaker 1: to freedom, to feel empowered to share, to speak out,
Speaker 1: to commit to fighting. That's what I want, That's what
Speaker 1: we need. The next several months, we're going to be
Speaker 1: inundated by bullshit from the media. They're going to play
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's speeches and lies and hateful rhetoric NonStop, because oh,
Speaker 1: we got to show both sides. They're going to do
Speaker 1: so without any analysis, without any critique, and they are
Speaker 1: going to give him the platform that Hitler could have
Speaker 1: only prayed for. Do you know what I'm saying as
Speaker 1: he was going from country to country and taking over.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is a cancer. He is a virus. But
Speaker 1: he is not our ultimate problem. It is the millions
Speaker 1: of people who get on television and when asked if
Speaker 1: they want a strong man, say yes, that's what we need.
Speaker 1: Because these are people who are don't know history right,
Speaker 1: who think strong man just means tough and not an authoritarian.
Speaker 1: That once you vote for him the first time, he
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck about you the next time, because
Speaker 1: you've given him everything that he needs. Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: prepared to run a rough shot over our democracy to
Speaker 1: fill his coppers so that he can be a king,
Speaker 1: a Russian oligarch, right, But the American version, the people
Speaker 1: around him who swear loyalty will be you know, paid
Speaker 1: in gold bricks, while the rest of us will be
Speaker 1: carrying bricks on our backs. So I just want folks
Speaker 1: to really be clear about the fact that, yeah, you
Speaker 1: will see me criticize Joe Biden because I fucking can,
Speaker 1: because for the next several months, we still live inside
Speaker 1: of a democracy, and I want this president to recognize
Speaker 1: the fucking stakes. I don't give a fuck about Joe
Speaker 1: Biden's age. I do give a fuck about the fact
Speaker 1: that our tax dollars funding a genocide. But I also
Speaker 1: know that I can't fight for other people's rights when
Speaker 1: we lose every single one of ours that are left
Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court hasn't taken away. So, folks, it
Speaker 1: is it is time. The election begins now, and the
Speaker 1: election is between our freedoms and authoritarianism. And you only
Speaker 1: get to vote on this once, so I hope folks
Speaker 1: decide to make a count. Coming up next my conversation
Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, anytime
Speaker 1: that we have the opportunity to sit down with our friend,
Speaker 1: our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, I am always thrilled,
Speaker 1: and today, Jonathan, I may be in need of some therapy, Yes,
Speaker 1: some help. I don't know, Jonathan. The week started out
Speaker 1: fairly shitty with the Supreme Court's decision around Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And you know, it seems like every week, like by
Speaker 1: the time we get to Friday, we're all so grateful,
Speaker 1: but like so run over and exhausted after what the
Speaker 1: week has entailed. And I feel a lot of people,
Speaker 1: including myself, by the time we get to Friday, we're
Speaker 1: all like tapped out. And I feel like we've talked
Speaker 1: about this, this is part of the strategy, the hopelessness,
Speaker 1: the flooding of the zone, the overwhelm. And you know,
Speaker 1: you've been out talking to people promoting you know, your
Speaker 1: book what we've become, and are people also talking about
Speaker 1: like their level of exhaustion, anxiety, just frustration that they're
Speaker 1: having as they're trying to be responsible citizens, engage citizens,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, people are exhausted and they don't know
Speaker 2: what to do right now. And there's also so much
Speaker 2: internal division. I mean, I'm going to need twenty five
Speaker 2: years of therapy for some of the stuff that's happened
Speaker 2: to me in the past month, just crazy stuff. And
Speaker 2: so so yeah, I mean, people on the right are
Speaker 2: very energized, they feel very mobilized, and so we got
Speaker 2: to change this around, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: if you get energy from from taking some rest and
Speaker 2: coming back and recommitting that you should do that. If
Speaker 2: you get energy from going to a movie theater and
Speaker 2: chasing aoc out and screaming at her, do that, whatever
Speaker 2: you need to do to get your energy back, so
Speaker 2: that we can all come together on one team. We
Speaker 2: got to do that because you know what I keep
Speaker 2: thinking is we talked about this before, but in so
Speaker 2: many elections, and you know Jason Stanley's book about how
Speaker 2: when the left is fractured, that's when fascism takes over.
Speaker 2: We're being fractured by design. I was talking here before
Speaker 2: about Nitan Yahoo coming to power because Liberals were exhausted
Speaker 2: and they just kind of trudged to the polls. But
Speaker 2: the right was like totally mobilized because they had the
Speaker 2: He had promised them we'll take over the course forever.
Speaker 2: And so I don't know, We're following some pretty bad
Speaker 2: trajectories right now. And honestly, we need a miracle and
Speaker 2: I'm happy to I'm happy to think about what that
Speaker 2: might be, but we need something's got to change course here.
Speaker 2: I don't want to like trudge into Did you see
Speaker 2: that thing on social media about the one hundred and
Speaker 2: one year old guy who ran one hundred meter dash
Speaker 2: like in Asia somewhere and everybody was cheering for him.
Speaker 2: It took like four hours. But I don't want that
Speaker 2: to be like us toward the finish line here, like right, right,
Speaker 2: So we need something that makes people feel energized and mobilized,
Speaker 2: and and I just don't know what that is. And
Speaker 2: I know there are so many divisions. And I also
Speaker 2: think that like for everybody people who like seemed like
Speaker 2: they were unquestionably on our team, we were on the
Speaker 2: same team as them, and everybody's like, I'm not on
Speaker 2: your team, and it's a it's it's a total playbook
Speaker 2: that's being done to us. Honestly, it's a total playbook
Speaker 2: that's being done to us. And so I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's it's a weird no one.
Speaker 1: I just I want, you know, because there is this
Speaker 1: sense of stuck, right, Like I feel very stuck, very
Speaker 1: stuck in the sense of like every time that I
Speaker 1: try and find ways to defend the Biden administration, the
Speaker 1: Biden administration turns around and does some shit that I
Speaker 1: find indefensible, right, And so it is on one hand,
Speaker 1: and I just put out a video, you know, at
Speaker 1: the time of this record, I put up a video
Speaker 1: that was just like, we're not living inside of a
Speaker 1: very of a clean binary in terms of thinking. And
Speaker 1: I need people to like move on from the good
Speaker 1: guys and the bad guys and like those being very
Speaker 1: clear distinctions as light and dark, right, They're just not
Speaker 1: We're living in a lot of shades of gray. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that we have ever really processed that
Speaker 1: as a country. America has always been set up as
Speaker 1: the good guy, right, That's what we have been fed
Speaker 1: inside this country. That's how we've been indoctrinated. And so
Speaker 1: I also feel like, and you tell me that the
Speaker 1: sense of stock that we are into is kind of
Speaker 1: this unveiling of who America actually is in reality, and
Speaker 1: that being pushed up against what we have known or
Speaker 1: been told.
Speaker 2: And what do you mean?
Speaker 1: I mean? So? I mean I mean this like I'm
Speaker 1: growing up elementary school, high school. America is the good guy.
Speaker 1: Carry a strong stick you walk around. We provide democracy
Speaker 1: around the world. We do these good things, right, Like
Speaker 1: we invade countries only because like we're ousting the bad
Speaker 1: guys in these things. That's not true And it's actually
Speaker 1: never been true. I've always said that America has had
Speaker 1: very good pr and as soon as you start to
Speaker 1: like really open up your eyes and look through other
Speaker 1: people's perspectives, whether those be other nation states or other
Speaker 1: you know, immigrant populations and groups that have come into
Speaker 1: this country, you see a clearer picture of who America is,
Speaker 1: which is not a perfect place, right it is a
Speaker 1: place that we strive to perfect, but the veil of
Speaker 1: a perfect place has really been lifted. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: I mean I don't. I certainly don't think you're wrong.
Speaker 2: I just think that, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I just think that like, for example, let's say let's
Speaker 2: say that Iran gets a nuclear bomb and Israel collapses
Speaker 2: and Iran becomes the massive superpower of the Middle East,
Speaker 2: for example, or something like that, Like is that where
Speaker 2: our foreign policy doesn't matter, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like or Russia invades Sweden after they take over your quane,
Speaker 2: and they do other kinds of things like that. I
Speaker 2: just think that there are a lot of ways in which,
Speaker 2: strategically speaking, I mean, I never I've never obviously thought
Speaker 2: that our foreign policy was like perfect or ideal or
Speaker 2: all these kind of things. But I also feel like
Speaker 2: we could be in a lot worse position than we
Speaker 2: are now if there are like massive superpowers who are
Speaker 2: very hostile to us, or who are hostile to like
Speaker 2: liberties or rights, and so the idea of like the
Speaker 2: foreign policy which I don't love in with Biden versus
Speaker 2: what I think it would look like under Trump. If
Speaker 2: you're just talking about like a vote by to vote
Speaker 2: on one of those two things, I would take. I
Speaker 2: would take at least working with the Biden administration on
Speaker 2: fixing our foreign policy, because I know what it'll be
Speaker 2: like for Trump, and under Trump, it'll be a massive
Speaker 2: change to like my life and your life and other
Speaker 2: things like that, you know, same with a bunch of
Speaker 2: other things. Do I want there to be like a
Speaker 2: massive trade war with China, or do I want to
Speaker 2: support Taiwan? How do I feel about Russia? Things like that.
Speaker 2: So I just for me, I just think geopolitically, it's
Speaker 2: not never it's not just about like one group of people.
Speaker 2: I mean, I certainly think we have a real ethical
Speaker 2: issue right now with like our foreign policy and things
Speaker 2: like that. But I also think that it's just hard
Speaker 2: for me to think of it out of context. And
Speaker 2: so for me, the bigger issue is do I want
Speaker 2: America to fall and Israel to fall and Russia and
Speaker 2: Iran to become massive expansionist nuclear superpowers. I could see
Speaker 2: that being a hell of a lot worse, And so
Speaker 2: I don't know. For me, it's not like I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, again, my dad's a Holocaust survivor. I've lived
Speaker 2: in a lot of different places. I have no rose
Speaker 2: colored glasses about foreign policy. But I could just say strategically,
Speaker 2: you know, it seems to me like the worst scenario
Speaker 2: would be that Israel tells US to fuck off and
Speaker 2: they don't need us anymore, and they go in alliance
Speaker 2: with Russia, and Russia goes in alliance with Saudi and
Speaker 2: the dollar doesn't is no longer the US currency, and
Speaker 2: they do a goldback Saudi currency and the dollar doesn't
Speaker 2: mean anything like then you're really really talking about a
Speaker 2: really different United States than the one you have now,
Speaker 2: which is going to have like a bunch of really
Speaker 2: powerful guys like Trump, no immigration. The poor people now
Speaker 2: become the immigrants in terms of like the paid labor
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So to me, that's just not
Speaker 2: in America. I want to live in So I guess
Speaker 2: for me, I'm just as I always do. I think
Speaker 2: long game, and I just think, you know, there's a
Speaker 2: real pretty clear choice right now.
Speaker 1: Are we selling the clear choice? Though, Jonathan? Right? Like,
Speaker 1: if everybody is in this place of despair, and let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. The hair is that just stood
Speaker 1: up on my arm and like the chill that went
Speaker 1: down my spine when you just played out what a
Speaker 1: reordered superpower superpowers could look like. Yeah, it's terrifying, right,
Speaker 1: but it's all It's also not something that I think
Speaker 1: that you're just making up out of thin air, right, Like,
Speaker 1: these things are these things are absolutely possible, and I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: in your opinion, then how do you talk about these possibilities?
Speaker 1: Because whenever I bring shit up to people these days,
Speaker 1: they're telling me you're just trying to scare me into
Speaker 1: my vote, and I'm just like, well, I've tried to
Speaker 1: love you into your vote and that doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: fucking work. So I don't really know what the alternative
Speaker 1: is then to lay out the scenarios in the way
Speaker 1: that you did. So how does that how is that
Speaker 1: laid out?
Speaker 2: Well? I mean, you know, I don't know how to
Speaker 2: lay it out. And I'm not trying to convince you
Speaker 2: and I are voting for the same guessing, so it's
Speaker 2: not like we're convincing each of their votes. But I mean,
Speaker 2: just think about it, Like if a country totally cuts
Speaker 2: off immigration like Trump, what's to do and deports all
Speaker 2: the immigrants, Who's going to do the work? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like the country still the economy depends
Speaker 2: on people working, So there's going to be a bunch
Speaker 2: of people now who are low income who are going
Speaker 2: to become it's going to be really shitty. It's going
Speaker 2: to be really shitty. And so it's just going to
Speaker 2: do the.
Speaker 1: Work according to the governors of Red State's children, you know,
Speaker 1: because they're rolling back all of the child labor laws,
Speaker 1: so children are.
Speaker 2: Going to do just saying like and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: like the decision we're going to we're facing now. To me,
Speaker 2: just the decision we're making facing now is it'll pair
Speaker 2: pale in comparison to the decision that we have to
Speaker 2: make two years from now, five years from now if
Speaker 2: we don't get our shit together right now. And so
Speaker 2: you no know, for me, like my problem is when people
Speaker 2: say the democracy is going to fall. That just sounds
Speaker 2: really abstract to people, But I think we need to
Speaker 2: do what I just did here, which is to lay
Speaker 2: it out in very very very very concrete terms, and
Speaker 2: because I think that's that's what it means. I mean healthcare.
Speaker 2: You know, we know that it's going to be the
Speaker 2: end of the Affordable Care Act if Trump wins. A
Speaker 2: lot of people are going to lose their healthcare.
Speaker 1: Which is going to which is going to create essentially
Speaker 1: where you were talking about, which is a new level
Speaker 1: of like indentured servitude into places that will abuse right
Speaker 1: their workers because there won't be any standards right in
Speaker 1: terms of how people are treated. Because they're in Kentucky
Speaker 1: right now, there's a piece of legislation that has been
Speaker 1: rolled out to get rid of lunch breaks and rest breaks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is this is a small sample of
Speaker 2: what's coming, you know, with this kind of power. And
Speaker 2: so I just think people need to get real honestly.
Speaker 2: I mean I understand very deeply. I mean in a
Speaker 2: way on all sides, I personally feel it like I've
Speaker 2: had the weirdest shit happen where I'm like.
Speaker 1: Some of the weird stuff that has happened.
Speaker 2: Oh sure. I was on a book tour this last month.
Speaker 2: I was on a book tour this last week. I
Speaker 2: was sitting at the book table signing books. The person
Speaker 2: from the bookstore who brought the books, it was like
Speaker 2: the bookseller, not somebody associated with this the talk I
Speaker 2: gave or the interview, which was wonderful, amazing, I've done
Speaker 2: incredible stuff. The person was wearing a kN ninety five
Speaker 2: mask was a trans person who was great. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh so great, you're here all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: As I'm signing the books is a trans woman started
Speaker 2: telling me, you know, I just want you to know.
Speaker 2: I know you're talking about power in your book and
Speaker 2: our I'm with Democratic Socialists of America and our goal
Speaker 2: is to collapse the Democratic Party because if the Democrats fall,
Speaker 2: were going to arise in the Act says, we already
Speaker 2: have a plan. We're going to sit out this election
Speaker 2: and then and then we're going to take over all
Speaker 2: the local elections and we're gonna stop funding the Zionist
Speaker 2: something Zionist something or other. And like I'm trying to
Speaker 2: sign books and be nice to the crowd and all
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, but I'm just like I said, dude,
Speaker 2: you know, not in any gender way. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: who do you think is going to get whacked first?
Speaker 2: If everything falls? It's not like you're going to like
Speaker 2: have another election to like have the Democratic Socialists of America.
Speaker 2: But it's not like I would naturally be on the
Speaker 2: same team as somebody who's like going full on anti
Speaker 2: Zionist on me, even somebody who would like have been
Speaker 2: on my team before. But I thought, like, you know,
Speaker 2: you and I have to get it to a place
Speaker 2: where like we're on the same team, we're under the
Speaker 2: same umbrella, even though like what you're telling me right
Speaker 2: now is like really upsetting for a number of reasons
Speaker 2: and telling me like the Zionist entity all this shit,
Speaker 2: you know. But but also I have to remember that,
Speaker 2: like in a bigger strategic sense, if you and I
Speaker 2: are not on the same team, if we're fractured, to
Speaker 2: use the Jason Stanley formulation, I have much bigger problems.
Speaker 2: So I've got to imagine myself allied with you. And
Speaker 2: that's how you know. That's sure, this happened for a
Speaker 2: lot of people. It's happened around Gaza, it's happened around
Speaker 2: climate it's happened around a bunch of stuff. But if
Speaker 2: we don't see each other on the same team, I mean,
Speaker 2: I personally think it's inappropriate for somebody to go like
Speaker 2: full on anti Zionist on me as a Jewish author
Speaker 2: out there. But you know, this is how it is
Speaker 2: right now whatever. But I would say, but I would say,
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's just like what we're up against.
Speaker 2: We have to think that we're on the same team
Speaker 2: and that will work this out in a way that
Speaker 2: is viable. I don't But I think the scary part
Speaker 2: for me, honestly, what I was thinking about this instance
Speaker 2: was that Trump, like one thing he promises is like retribution,
Speaker 2: like I'm going to win and your enemies are going
Speaker 2: to get it. And it's not just like conservative who
Speaker 2: think that, like a lot of liberals are thinking, Man,
Speaker 2: if I win, I can knock off all these other
Speaker 2: centrists out of the Democratic Party and I can take
Speaker 2: over the party, like there's this fantasy or vice versa
Speaker 2: or something like that. But it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2: If Trump wins, this is the last time you're going
Speaker 2: to get that chance.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean, so how because now I'm fascinated.
Speaker 1: How did the conversation end.
Speaker 2: Well, I had to keep signing books, and I didn't
Speaker 2: feel like getting in an argument with the bookseller while
Speaker 2: I was doing it, and so the bookseller just kept
Speaker 2: talking about democratic socialists. And then I said, well, look,
Speaker 2: I said to her what I would say to you,
Speaker 2: which is, I think ultimately you and I have to
Speaker 2: imagine ourselves. I didn't go into my views because like, hey,
Speaker 2: by the book, you know, but I said, ultimately we
Speaker 2: need a big tent, because I think if any part
Speaker 2: of the coalition collapses, it's bad for all of us.
Speaker 2: And I also said, you know, I thinks Americans would
Speaker 2: be among yeah, at least the safe group. And so
Speaker 2: I would just urge you to like think about not
Speaker 2: thinking of this election as an opportunity to retake power,
Speaker 2: you know, something like that.
Speaker 1: So I mean, like, look, I think that that was
Speaker 1: a valid way to have to end that conversation, but
Speaker 1: also to have that conversation, because like, the goal is
Speaker 1: not to topple the I mean, at least, like my
Speaker 1: goal is not to topple the Democratic Party, right, Like,
Speaker 1: my goal is to strengthen democracy and to strengthen people's
Speaker 1: like power and understanding, like they have power that can
Speaker 1: be exercised. But to say that your goal is to
Speaker 1: bring down the Democratic Party, well then you've just turned
Speaker 1: the Republican Party into a super party, right because now
Speaker 1: you're citing because you all have shared values. And to
Speaker 1: your point, if like, if that is the shared value,
Speaker 1: which it is of the of the Republican Party, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you think that that benefits the most marginalized
Speaker 1: of the marginalized groups.
Speaker 2: I just think we live in this moment. It's funny
Speaker 2: because I was sucking to my brother about this the
Speaker 2: other day because I'm like, I called him after this happened,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, holy crap, people are at each other
Speaker 2: right now, and I just think it feels very like
Speaker 2: if we see AOC as our enemy right now, we
Speaker 2: really have big problems, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: I just think that we're being fractured and divided in
Speaker 2: a particular way that is based in reality for a
Speaker 2: lot of people, but it's also consciously being fed and
Speaker 2: manipulated in ways through There's just so much crap coming
Speaker 2: at us right now. And so I don't know, you
Speaker 2: and I have talked about this for a long time.
Speaker 2: I just feel like, you know, we need a miracle
Speaker 2: right now. Honestly, we need some kind of unifying miracle.
Speaker 2: And I guess the question I keep wondering is like,
Speaker 2: if we had a different person than Biden, would it matter.
Speaker 2: I think it would. I think it would, yeah, because
Speaker 2: you know, but that's not the option we have. This
Speaker 2: is not the option we have. This is the choice
Speaker 2: we have. And so so I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: hope we I hope we pull our shit together. I
Speaker 2: hope there's some kind of secret plan. I hope there's
Speaker 2: some kind of unity thing. But I mean the other
Speaker 2: thing about you know, I take it you're reference in
Speaker 2: Gaza and and you know the other part, of course
Speaker 2: is the other people who really want Trump to win
Speaker 2: are the people on the Israeli right, And so it's
Speaker 2: not like I mean, they're trying to undermine Biden also,
Speaker 2: and so they're just it's we need a unifying narrative
Speaker 2: right now. That's why having a stronger Democratic candidate who
Speaker 2: could pull everybody together right now is so needed.
Speaker 1: But I guess the thing for me is that like
Speaker 1: in and yes, I was talking about Gaza and Israel
Speaker 1: because that is what is on my social media feed
Speaker 1: and in my timeline everywhere that I go on is
Speaker 1: what is what is on a lot of people's minds.
Speaker 1: And I'm getting a lot of pushback in my comment
Speaker 1: sections about being a prop of the Biden administration, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you clearly don't fucking listen to me, because
Speaker 1: if you did, then you would know that that is
Speaker 1: far the farthest thing from the truth. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: but I'm also very clear about the fact that you
Speaker 1: can't fight for democracy if you lose democracy. Like so,
Speaker 1: if your ultimate goal is to help the Palestinian people
Speaker 1: in Gaza, then I don't know how you do that
Speaker 1: if in fact, you lose your own democracy, that doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense, right and so and so trying to like
Speaker 1: reorder people's thinking of what is at stake and what
Speaker 1: is important is like my job in media. And I'm
Speaker 1: at a point where i have days and weeks where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, very I'm very much in a place
Speaker 1: of struggle because I'm like, folks don't get it right,
Speaker 1: they don't get what is at stake. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times that I have to
Speaker 1: tell you that abortion was never the goal. It was
Speaker 1: always about control, and so now IVF is on the
Speaker 1: is on the menu, and a borth control is going
Speaker 1: to be on the menu, and this thing and that.
Speaker 1: Like so if you care right about these other siloed issues,
Speaker 1: then you have to care about the whole. And the
Speaker 1: whole is about like your freedom. So I don't you know,
Speaker 1: So for me, that's what That's why I bring it
Speaker 1: up because I'm finding myself in a very stuck place
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at my comments section grow in terms
Speaker 1: of people saying I'm not voting for him, and then
Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, then I hope that you enjoyed
Speaker 1: this last selection in your last summer, the what I'm
Speaker 1: referring to now as like the last American summer, because
Speaker 1: like that's what that's what this is, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that people get it for sure, So last word
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: For sure, we have to party like the Romans this summer,
Speaker 2: no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like that's what.
Speaker 1: I decided last That's what I last night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We're going to party our asses up this summer.
Speaker 2: But I would just say again, we need we need
Speaker 2: a I mean, we need a strong unifying narrative. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like if Democrat, if Biden left,
Speaker 2: and then somebody was like going to overturn Israel as
Speaker 2: a Jewish home land, like I wouldn't support them, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like then you'd lose my part
Speaker 2: of the coalition, and and if something else whatever, I
Speaker 2: just I don't know, it's just funny. Memember. We talked
Speaker 2: here about polarizing crisis, where like something happens and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden people don't feel like they're on the
Speaker 2: same team, and where I urge people to read the
Speaker 2: literature on polarizing crisis because it becomes this like deep
Speaker 2: essential thing, but it's also so manipulated. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to deny reality, but I would just say
Speaker 2: that the level of I mean, remember there was the
Speaker 2: example of abolish ice being a totally invented thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was a real thing too, but like people were
Speaker 2: screaming about abolish ice, defund the police was used and
Speaker 2: amplified in ways that I mean, We've just we've had
Speaker 2: our message co opted against us a lot of times,
Speaker 2: and I just wish that we would kind of see
Speaker 2: that and again not changing the thing. I mean, I
Speaker 2: do hope.
Speaker 1: Not changing the theme, but changing than changing the narrative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, like you and I
Speaker 2: have spoken, you know what I mean, Like my urgent
Speaker 2: hope in the beginning was that Israel was not going
Speaker 2: to invade Gaza, as you know, I think actually we
Speaker 2: would have been in a great a much greater position.
Speaker 2: I mean, Israe would have been a mu stronger position
Speaker 2: if they would have rallied the world against like what
Speaker 2: happened and stuff like that. But you know, this is
Speaker 2: the world we have right now, and it's complicated, and
Speaker 2: it's ugly, and it's messy and it's murderous, and to me,
Speaker 2: there still are some pretty clear outcomes that could be worse,
Speaker 2: better or worse. And again, people remember like Nittanyahu wants
Speaker 2: Trump to win, right, he wants them to win his
Speaker 2: holes to make Biden look bad and so because then
Speaker 2: Trump will be like wipe everybody out, you know, stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So it's just I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: think there's a strategic sense which a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't have. But you know, Israel's goal is nothing to
Speaker 2: do with the Palestinians. They want to wipe out Iran,
Speaker 2: and so they're waiting for Trump to give them the
Speaker 2: green light to like go bonkers on Iran and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. And so there's just there's a lot of
Speaker 2: worse outcomes. This is a horrible outcome we have right now,
Speaker 2: and I can also imagine a lot of worse outcomes.
Speaker 2: And so I just think at some point we have
Speaker 2: to imagine if we're on the same team or not.
Speaker 2: And again, I wish, as I've been saying for months,
Speaker 2: I wish our candidate was Jason Kelcey. We'd be in
Speaker 2: so much better. You know, I've been saying that for weeks.
Speaker 2: But but we need you know, we had something, you know, mobilizing.
Speaker 2: But I also think, like what if you want your
Speaker 2: grandkids to even sniff the kind of rights you have
Speaker 2: right now, or your great care and kids, then then
Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna have to come down to you know,
Speaker 2: we live in an election syst that's a binary choice.
Speaker 2: And so I realized I sound like fifty eight thousand
Speaker 2: feet today, but it's just been Yeah, it's just been
Speaker 2: an interesting time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we will leave it there today. My friend
Speaker 1: Jonathan Nepsel, as always, we appreciate.
Speaker 2: You, it's my honor and I was tired from the
Speaker 2: book tour, but now I'm back, So anybody who wants
Speaker 2: to argue just let me know.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on woke
Speaker 1: a App as always, Power to the people and to all
Speaker 1: the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.