1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker. 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: So the decisions have been made. Republicans have chosen a 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: four time indicted ninety one counts rapists as their nominee 5 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: for President of the United States. Oh and also he 6 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: is a fraudulent businessman and not as rich as he 7 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: has said. But in their opinion, voting for a woman 8 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: just wasn't an option. So Nikki Hailey is out, and 9 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: she did not readily endorse Donald Trump. She said that 10 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: he would have to quote earn her voters. Give me 11 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: a fucking break. Also in the news Mitch McConnell, who 12 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: has come out and endorsed Donald Trump as well. What 13 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: I realized, not what I realize, what we've known, and 14 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: it's just like so fucking gross about the Republican Party 15 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: is that they have no morals, no conviction, no backbone, 16 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: no desire to do right by anyone other than themselves. 17 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: They embody white privilege, toxic masculinity, patriarchy, greed, hatred. That's 18 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: who this party is and to say anything otherwise is 19 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: a lie. And for the media moving forward, which is 20 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: going to try and jam down everyone's throat this horse 21 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: race matchup between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. I just 22 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: want folks to be very clear, which I know that 23 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: you all are, but I want you to make the 24 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: folks around you really fucking clear, because that's my goal here. 25 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: It is not I don't you know. I appreciate it. 26 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for the folks that listen to this show. 27 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: But your real value is in the messages you decide 28 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: to share, in the people you decide to connect with 29 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: in the community you decide to lift up right and 30 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: open their eyes and their ears to the truth right 31 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: and help them recognize their power. So, whether that is 32 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: in sharing an episode, sharing a social media clip, or 33 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 1: just sitting down and talking to folks about where their 34 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: head is at for November, that's our real goal here 35 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: on WOKF. You know, it isn't for me about the 36 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: clicks or the downloads or any of that. I just 37 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: want those that are faithful to the truth, to democracy, 38 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: to freedom, to feel empowered to share, to speak out, 39 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: to commit to fighting. That's what I want, That's what 40 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: we need. The next several months, we're going to be 41 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: inundated by bullshit from the media. They're going to play 42 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's speeches and lies and hateful rhetoric NonStop, because oh, 43 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: we got to show both sides. They're going to do 44 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: so without any analysis, without any critique, and they are 45 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: going to give him the platform that Hitler could have 46 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: only prayed for. Do you know what I'm saying as 47 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: he was going from country to country and taking over. 48 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is a cancer. He is a virus. But 49 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: he is not our ultimate problem. It is the millions 50 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: of people who get on television and when asked if 51 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: they want a strong man, say yes, that's what we need. 52 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 1: Because these are people who are don't know history right, 53 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: who think strong man just means tough and not an authoritarian. 54 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: That once you vote for him the first time, he 55 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck about you the next time, because 56 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: you've given him everything that he needs. Donald Trump is 57 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: prepared to run a rough shot over our democracy to 58 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: fill his coppers so that he can be a king, 59 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: a Russian oligarch, right, But the American version, the people 60 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: around him who swear loyalty will be you know, paid 61 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: in gold bricks, while the rest of us will be 62 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: carrying bricks on our backs. So I just want folks 63 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: to really be clear about the fact that, yeah, you 64 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: will see me criticize Joe Biden because I fucking can, 65 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: because for the next several months, we still live inside 66 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: of a democracy, and I want this president to recognize 67 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: the fucking stakes. I don't give a fuck about Joe 68 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: Biden's age. I do give a fuck about the fact 69 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: that our tax dollars funding a genocide. But I also 70 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: know that I can't fight for other people's rights when 71 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: we lose every single one of ours that are left 72 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court hasn't taken away. So, folks, it 73 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: is it is time. The election begins now, and the 74 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: election is between our freedoms and authoritarianism. And you only 75 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: get to vote on this once, so I hope folks 76 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: decide to make a count. Coming up next my conversation 77 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, anytime 78 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: that we have the opportunity to sit down with our friend, 79 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, I am always thrilled, 80 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: and today, Jonathan, I may be in need of some therapy, Yes, 81 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: some help. I don't know, Jonathan. The week started out 82 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: fairly shitty with the Supreme Court's decision around Donald Trump. 83 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: And you know, it seems like every week, like by 84 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: the time we get to Friday, we're all so grateful, 85 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: but like so run over and exhausted after what the 86 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: week has entailed. And I feel a lot of people, 87 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 1: including myself, by the time we get to Friday, we're 88 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: all like tapped out. And I feel like we've talked 89 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: about this, this is part of the strategy, the hopelessness, 90 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: the flooding of the zone, the overwhelm. And you know, 91 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: you've been out talking to people promoting you know, your 92 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: book what we've become, and are people also talking about 93 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: like their level of exhaustion, anxiety, just frustration that they're 94 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: having as they're trying to be responsible citizens, engage citizens, 95 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: et cetera. 96 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, people are exhausted and they don't know 97 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: what to do right now. And there's also so much 98 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: internal division. I mean, I'm going to need twenty five 99 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: years of therapy for some of the stuff that's happened 100 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: to me in the past month, just crazy stuff. And 101 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: so so yeah, I mean, people on the right are 102 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: very energized, they feel very mobilized, and so we got 103 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: to change this around, you know what I mean? Like, 104 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: if you get energy from from taking some rest and 105 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: coming back and recommitting that you should do that. If 106 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: you get energy from going to a movie theater and 107 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: chasing aoc out and screaming at her, do that, whatever 108 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: you need to do to get your energy back, so 109 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: that we can all come together on one team. We 110 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: got to do that because you know what I keep 111 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: thinking is we talked about this before, but in so 112 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: many elections, and you know Jason Stanley's book about how 113 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: when the left is fractured, that's when fascism takes over. 114 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: We're being fractured by design. I was talking here before 115 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: about Nitan Yahoo coming to power because Liberals were exhausted 116 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: and they just kind of trudged to the polls. But 117 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: the right was like totally mobilized because they had the 118 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: He had promised them we'll take over the course forever. 119 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: And so I don't know, We're following some pretty bad 120 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: trajectories right now. And honestly, we need a miracle and 121 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: I'm happy to I'm happy to think about what that 122 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: might be, but we need something's got to change course here. 123 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to like trudge into Did you see 124 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: that thing on social media about the one hundred and 125 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: one year old guy who ran one hundred meter dash 126 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: like in Asia somewhere and everybody was cheering for him. 127 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: It took like four hours. But I don't want that 128 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: to be like us toward the finish line here, like right, right, 129 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: So we need something that makes people feel energized and mobilized, 130 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: and and I just don't know what that is. And 131 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: I know there are so many divisions. And I also 132 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 2: think that like for everybody people who like seemed like 133 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: they were unquestionably on our team, we were on the 134 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: same team as them, and everybody's like, I'm not on 135 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: your team, and it's a it's it's a total playbook 136 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: that's being done to us. Honestly, it's a total playbook 137 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: that's being done to us. And so I don't know, 138 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: it's it's a weird no one. 139 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: I just I want, you know, because there is this 140 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: sense of stuck, right, Like I feel very stuck, very 141 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: stuck in the sense of like every time that I 142 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: try and find ways to defend the Biden administration, the 143 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: Biden administration turns around and does some shit that I 144 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: find indefensible, right, And so it is on one hand, 145 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: and I just put out a video, you know, at 146 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: the time of this record, I put up a video 147 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: that was just like, we're not living inside of a 148 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: very of a clean binary in terms of thinking. And 149 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: I need people to like move on from the good 150 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: guys and the bad guys and like those being very 151 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: clear distinctions as light and dark, right, They're just not 152 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: We're living in a lot of shades of gray. And 153 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: I don't think that we have ever really processed that 154 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: as a country. America has always been set up as 155 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: the good guy, right, That's what we have been fed 156 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: inside this country. That's how we've been indoctrinated. And so 157 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: I also feel like, and you tell me that the 158 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: sense of stock that we are into is kind of 159 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: this unveiling of who America actually is in reality, and 160 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: that being pushed up against what we have known or 161 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: been told. 162 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 2: And what do you mean? 163 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: I mean? So? I mean I mean this like I'm 164 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: growing up elementary school, high school. America is the good guy. 165 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,599 Speaker 1: Carry a strong stick you walk around. We provide democracy 166 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: around the world. We do these good things, right, Like 167 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: we invade countries only because like we're ousting the bad 168 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: guys in these things. That's not true And it's actually 169 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: never been true. I've always said that America has had 170 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: very good pr and as soon as you start to 171 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: like really open up your eyes and look through other 172 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: people's perspectives, whether those be other nation states or other 173 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, immigrant populations and groups that have come into 174 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: this country, you see a clearer picture of who America is, 175 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: which is not a perfect place, right it is a 176 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: place that we strive to perfect, but the veil of 177 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: a perfect place has really been lifted. Am I wrong? 178 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: I mean I don't. I certainly don't think you're wrong. 179 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: I just think that, you know what I mean, Like, 180 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: I just think that like, for example, let's say let's 181 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: say that Iran gets a nuclear bomb and Israel collapses 182 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: and Iran becomes the massive superpower of the Middle East, 183 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: for example, or something like that, Like is that where 184 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: our foreign policy doesn't matter, you know what I mean? 185 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: Like or Russia invades Sweden after they take over your quane, 186 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: and they do other kinds of things like that. I 187 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 2: just think that there are a lot of ways in which, 188 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: strategically speaking, I mean, I never I've never obviously thought 189 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: that our foreign policy was like perfect or ideal or 190 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: all these kind of things. But I also feel like 191 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: we could be in a lot worse position than we 192 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: are now if there are like massive superpowers who are 193 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: very hostile to us, or who are hostile to like 194 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: liberties or rights, and so the idea of like the 195 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: foreign policy which I don't love in with Biden versus 196 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: what I think it would look like under Trump. If 197 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: you're just talking about like a vote by to vote 198 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: on one of those two things, I would take. I 199 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: would take at least working with the Biden administration on 200 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: fixing our foreign policy, because I know what it'll be 201 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: like for Trump, and under Trump, it'll be a massive 202 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: change to like my life and your life and other 203 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: things like that, you know, same with a bunch of 204 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: other things. Do I want there to be like a 205 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: massive trade war with China, or do I want to 206 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: support Taiwan? How do I feel about Russia? Things like that. 207 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: So I just for me, I just think geopolitically, it's 208 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 2: not never it's not just about like one group of people. 209 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I certainly think we have a real ethical 210 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: issue right now with like our foreign policy and things 211 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: like that. But I also think that it's just hard 212 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: for me to think of it out of context. And 213 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: so for me, the bigger issue is do I want 214 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: America to fall and Israel to fall and Russia and 215 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: Iran to become massive expansionist nuclear superpowers. I could see 216 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: that being a hell of a lot worse, And so 217 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. For me, it's not like I think. 218 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: I mean, again, my dad's a Holocaust survivor. I've lived 219 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: in a lot of different places. I have no rose 220 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: colored glasses about foreign policy. But I could just say strategically, 221 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: you know, it seems to me like the worst scenario 222 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: would be that Israel tells US to fuck off and 223 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: they don't need us anymore, and they go in alliance 224 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: with Russia, and Russia goes in alliance with Saudi and 225 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: the dollar doesn't is no longer the US currency, and 226 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: they do a goldback Saudi currency and the dollar doesn't 227 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: mean anything like then you're really really talking about a 228 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: really different United States than the one you have now, 229 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: which is going to have like a bunch of really 230 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: powerful guys like Trump, no immigration. The poor people now 231 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: become the immigrants in terms of like the paid labor 232 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So to me, that's just not 233 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: in America. I want to live in So I guess 234 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: for me, I'm just as I always do. I think 235 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: long game, and I just think, you know, there's a 236 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: real pretty clear choice right now. 237 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: Are we selling the clear choice? Though, Jonathan? Right? Like, 238 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: if everybody is in this place of despair, and let 239 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: me tell you something. The hair is that just stood 240 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: up on my arm and like the chill that went 241 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: down my spine when you just played out what a 242 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: reordered superpower superpowers could look like. Yeah, it's terrifying, right, 243 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: but it's all It's also not something that I think 244 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: that you're just making up out of thin air, right, Like, 245 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: these things are these things are absolutely possible, and I'm wondering, 246 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: in your opinion, then how do you talk about these possibilities? 247 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: Because whenever I bring shit up to people these days, 248 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: they're telling me you're just trying to scare me into 249 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: my vote, and I'm just like, well, I've tried to 250 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: love you into your vote and that doesn't seem to 251 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: fucking work. So I don't really know what the alternative 252 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: is then to lay out the scenarios in the way 253 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: that you did. So how does that how is that 254 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: laid out? 255 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: Well? I mean, you know, I don't know how to 256 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: lay it out. And I'm not trying to convince you 257 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: and I are voting for the same guessing, so it's 258 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: not like we're convincing each of their votes. But I mean, 259 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: just think about it, Like if a country totally cuts 260 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: off immigration like Trump, what's to do and deports all 261 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: the immigrants, Who's going to do the work? You know 262 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: what I mean? Like the country still the economy depends 263 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: on people working, So there's going to be a bunch 264 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: of people now who are low income who are going 265 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: to become it's going to be really shitty. It's going 266 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: to be really shitty. And so it's just going to 267 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: do the. 268 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: Work according to the governors of Red State's children, you know, 269 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: because they're rolling back all of the child labor laws, 270 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: so children are. 271 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: Going to do just saying like and all of a sudden, 272 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: like the decision we're going to we're facing now. To me, 273 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: just the decision we're making facing now is it'll pair 274 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: pale in comparison to the decision that we have to 275 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: make two years from now, five years from now if 276 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: we don't get our shit together right now. And so 277 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: you no know, for me, like my problem is when people 278 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: say the democracy is going to fall. That just sounds 279 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 2: really abstract to people, But I think we need to 280 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: do what I just did here, which is to lay 281 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: it out in very very very very concrete terms, and 282 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: because I think that's that's what it means. I mean healthcare. 283 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 2: You know, we know that it's going to be the 284 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: end of the Affordable Care Act if Trump wins. A 285 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: lot of people are going to lose their healthcare. 286 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: Which is going to which is going to create essentially 287 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: where you were talking about, which is a new level 288 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: of like indentured servitude into places that will abuse right 289 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: their workers because there won't be any standards right in 290 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: terms of how people are treated. Because they're in Kentucky 291 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: right now, there's a piece of legislation that has been 292 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: rolled out to get rid of lunch breaks and rest breaks. 293 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is this is a small sample of 294 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: what's coming, you know, with this kind of power. And 295 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 2: so I just think people need to get real honestly. 296 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: I mean I understand very deeply. I mean in a 297 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: way on all sides, I personally feel it like I've 298 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 2: had the weirdest shit happen where I'm like. 299 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: Some of the weird stuff that has happened. 300 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: Oh sure. I was on a book tour this last month. 301 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: I was on a book tour this last week. I 302 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: was sitting at the book table signing books. The person 303 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: from the bookstore who brought the books, it was like 304 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: the bookseller, not somebody associated with this the talk I 305 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: gave or the interview, which was wonderful, amazing, I've done 306 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 2: incredible stuff. The person was wearing a kN ninety five 307 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 2: mask was a trans person who was great. I'm like, 308 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: oh so great, you're here all this kind of stuff. 309 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 2: As I'm signing the books is a trans woman started 310 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 2: telling me, you know, I just want you to know. 311 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: I know you're talking about power in your book and 312 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: our I'm with Democratic Socialists of America and our goal 313 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: is to collapse the Democratic Party because if the Democrats fall, 314 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: were going to arise in the Act says, we already 315 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: have a plan. We're going to sit out this election 316 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: and then and then we're going to take over all 317 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: the local elections and we're gonna stop funding the Zionist 318 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: something Zionist something or other. And like I'm trying to 319 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 2: sign books and be nice to the crowd and all 320 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, but I'm just like I said, dude, 321 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: you know, not in any gender way. But I'm like, 322 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 2: who do you think is going to get whacked first? 323 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: If everything falls? It's not like you're going to like 324 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: have another election to like have the Democratic Socialists of America. 325 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: But it's not like I would naturally be on the 326 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 2: same team as somebody who's like going full on anti 327 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,239 Speaker 2: Zionist on me, even somebody who would like have been 328 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: on my team before. But I thought, like, you know, 329 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: you and I have to get it to a place 330 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 2: where like we're on the same team, we're under the 331 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 2: same umbrella, even though like what you're telling me right 332 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: now is like really upsetting for a number of reasons 333 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: and telling me like the Zionist entity all this shit, 334 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: you know. But but also I have to remember that, 335 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: like in a bigger strategic sense, if you and I 336 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: are not on the same team, if we're fractured, to 337 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: use the Jason Stanley formulation, I have much bigger problems. 338 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: So I've got to imagine myself allied with you. And 339 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: that's how you know. That's sure, this happened for a 340 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: lot of people. It's happened around Gaza, it's happened around 341 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: climate it's happened around a bunch of stuff. But if 342 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: we don't see each other on the same team, I mean, 343 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: I personally think it's inappropriate for somebody to go like 344 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: full on anti Zionist on me as a Jewish author 345 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: out there. But you know, this is how it is 346 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: right now whatever. But I would say, but I would say, 347 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. There's just like what we're up against. 348 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 2: We have to think that we're on the same team 349 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: and that will work this out in a way that 350 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: is viable. I don't But I think the scary part 351 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 2: for me, honestly, what I was thinking about this instance 352 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: was that Trump, like one thing he promises is like retribution, 353 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 2: like I'm going to win and your enemies are going 354 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 2: to get it. And it's not just like conservative who 355 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: think that, like a lot of liberals are thinking, Man, 356 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: if I win, I can knock off all these other 357 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 2: centrists out of the Democratic Party and I can take 358 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: over the party, like there's this fantasy or vice versa 359 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: or something like that. But it doesn't work that way. 360 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: If Trump wins, this is the last time you're going 361 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 2: to get that chance. 362 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean, so how because now I'm fascinated. 363 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: How did the conversation end. 364 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: Well, I had to keep signing books, and I didn't 365 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: feel like getting in an argument with the bookseller while 366 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: I was doing it, and so the bookseller just kept 367 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 2: talking about democratic socialists. And then I said, well, look, 368 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 2: I said to her what I would say to you, 369 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: which is, I think ultimately you and I have to 370 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: imagine ourselves. I didn't go into my views because like, hey, 371 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: by the book, you know, but I said, ultimately we 372 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: need a big tent, because I think if any part 373 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: of the coalition collapses, it's bad for all of us. 374 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: And I also said, you know, I thinks Americans would 375 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: be among yeah, at least the safe group. And so 376 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: I would just urge you to like think about not 377 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: thinking of this election as an opportunity to retake power, 378 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: you know, something like that. 379 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, like, look, I think that that was 380 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: a valid way to have to end that conversation, but 381 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: also to have that conversation, because like, the goal is 382 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: not to topple the I mean, at least, like my 383 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 1: goal is not to topple the Democratic Party, right, Like, 384 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: my goal is to strengthen democracy and to strengthen people's 385 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: like power and understanding, like they have power that can 386 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: be exercised. But to say that your goal is to 387 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: bring down the Democratic Party, well then you've just turned 388 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: the Republican Party into a super party, right because now 389 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: you're citing because you all have shared values. And to 390 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: your point, if like, if that is the shared value, 391 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: which it is of the of the Republican Party, Like, 392 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: how do you think that that benefits the most marginalized 393 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: of the marginalized groups. 394 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: I just think we live in this moment. It's funny 395 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 2: because I was sucking to my brother about this the 396 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 2: other day because I'm like, I called him after this happened, 397 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 2: and I'm like, holy crap, people are at each other 398 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: right now, and I just think it feels very like 399 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: if we see AOC as our enemy right now, we 400 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: really have big problems, you know what I mean. Like, 401 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: I just think that we're being fractured and divided in 402 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: a particular way that is based in reality for a 403 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: lot of people, but it's also consciously being fed and 404 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: manipulated in ways through There's just so much crap coming 405 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: at us right now. And so I don't know, you 406 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: and I have talked about this for a long time. 407 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: I just feel like, you know, we need a miracle 408 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: right now. Honestly, we need some kind of unifying miracle. 409 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: And I guess the question I keep wondering is like, 410 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: if we had a different person than Biden, would it matter. 411 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 2: I think it would. I think it would, yeah, because 412 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: you know, but that's not the option we have. This 413 00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: is not the option we have. This is the choice 414 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: we have. And so so I don't know. I just 415 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 2: hope we I hope we pull our shit together. I 416 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: hope there's some kind of secret plan. I hope there's 417 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: some kind of unity thing. But I mean the other 418 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 2: thing about you know, I take it you're reference in 419 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: Gaza and and you know the other part, of course 420 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: is the other people who really want Trump to win 421 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: are the people on the Israeli right, And so it's 422 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: not like I mean, they're trying to undermine Biden also, 423 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 2: and so they're just it's we need a unifying narrative 424 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: right now. That's why having a stronger Democratic candidate who 425 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: could pull everybody together right now is so needed. 426 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: But I guess the thing for me is that like 427 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: in and yes, I was talking about Gaza and Israel 428 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: because that is what is on my social media feed 429 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: and in my timeline everywhere that I go on is 430 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: what is what is on a lot of people's minds. 431 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: And I'm getting a lot of pushback in my comment 432 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: sections about being a prop of the Biden administration, and 433 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, you clearly don't fucking listen to me, because 434 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: if you did, then you would know that that is 435 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: far the farthest thing from the truth. But I'm like, 436 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: but I'm also very clear about the fact that you 437 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: can't fight for democracy if you lose democracy. Like so, 438 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: if your ultimate goal is to help the Palestinian people 439 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: in Gaza, then I don't know how you do that 440 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: if in fact, you lose your own democracy, that doesn't 441 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: make sense, right and so and so trying to like 442 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: reorder people's thinking of what is at stake and what 443 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: is important is like my job in media. And I'm 444 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: at a point where i have days and weeks where 445 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm just like, very I'm very much in a place 446 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: of struggle because I'm like, folks don't get it right, 447 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: they don't get what is at stake. And I'm like, 448 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times that I have to 449 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: tell you that abortion was never the goal. It was 450 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: always about control, and so now IVF is on the 451 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: is on the menu, and a borth control is going 452 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: to be on the menu, and this thing and that. 453 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: Like so if you care right about these other siloed issues, 454 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: then you have to care about the whole. And the 455 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: whole is about like your freedom. So I don't you know, 456 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: So for me, that's what That's why I bring it 457 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: up because I'm finding myself in a very stuck place 458 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at my comments section grow in terms 459 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: of people saying I'm not voting for him, and then 460 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, then I hope that you enjoyed 461 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: this last selection in your last summer, the what I'm 462 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: referring to now as like the last American summer, because 463 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: like that's what that's what this is, and I don't 464 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: think that people get it for sure, So last word 465 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: to you. 466 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: For sure, we have to party like the Romans this summer, 467 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: no doubt about it. 468 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: Pretty much. 469 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like that's what. 470 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: I decided last That's what I last night. 471 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, We're going to party our asses up this summer. 472 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: But I would just say again, we need we need 473 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 2: a I mean, we need a strong unifying narrative. You 474 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like if Democrat, if Biden left, 475 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,239 Speaker 2: and then somebody was like going to overturn Israel as 476 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: a Jewish home land, like I wouldn't support them, you 477 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like then you'd lose my part 478 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: of the coalition, and and if something else whatever, I 479 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: just I don't know, it's just funny. Memember. We talked 480 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: here about polarizing crisis, where like something happens and all 481 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 2: of a sudden people don't feel like they're on the 482 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: same team, and where I urge people to read the 483 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: literature on polarizing crisis because it becomes this like deep 484 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 2: essential thing, but it's also so manipulated. I mean, I'm 485 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 2: not trying to deny reality, but I would just say 486 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: that the level of I mean, remember there was the 487 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: example of abolish ice being a totally invented thing. I mean, 488 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: it was a real thing too, but like people were 489 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: screaming about abolish ice, defund the police was used and 490 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: amplified in ways that I mean, We've just we've had 491 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: our message co opted against us a lot of times, 492 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: and I just wish that we would kind of see 493 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: that and again not changing the thing. I mean, I 494 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: do hope. 495 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: Not changing the theme, but changing than changing the narrative. 496 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, like you and I 497 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: have spoken, you know what I mean, Like my urgent 498 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: hope in the beginning was that Israel was not going 499 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 2: to invade Gaza, as you know, I think actually we 500 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 2: would have been in a great a much greater position. 501 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: I mean, Israe would have been a mu stronger position 502 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: if they would have rallied the world against like what 503 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: happened and stuff like that. But you know, this is 504 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: the world we have right now, and it's complicated, and 505 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: it's ugly, and it's messy and it's murderous, and to me, 506 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: there still are some pretty clear outcomes that could be worse, 507 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: better or worse. And again, people remember like Nittanyahu wants 508 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: Trump to win, right, he wants them to win his 509 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: holes to make Biden look bad and so because then 510 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: Trump will be like wipe everybody out, you know, stuff 511 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 2: like that. So it's just I don't know. I just 512 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: think there's a strategic sense which a lot of people 513 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: don't have. But you know, Israel's goal is nothing to 514 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: do with the Palestinians. They want to wipe out Iran, 515 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: and so they're waiting for Trump to give them the 516 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: green light to like go bonkers on Iran and stuff 517 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: like that. And so there's just there's a lot of 518 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: worse outcomes. This is a horrible outcome we have right now, 519 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: and I can also imagine a lot of worse outcomes. 520 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: And so I just think at some point we have 521 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: to imagine if we're on the same team or not. 522 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 2: And again, I wish, as I've been saying for months, 523 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: I wish our candidate was Jason Kelcey. We'd be in 524 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: so much better. You know, I've been saying that for weeks. 525 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 2: But but we need you know, we had something, you know, mobilizing. 526 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: But I also think, like what if you want your 527 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 2: grandkids to even sniff the kind of rights you have 528 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: right now, or your great care and kids, then then 529 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna have to come down to you know, 530 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: we live in an election syst that's a binary choice. 531 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 2: And so I realized I sound like fifty eight thousand 532 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: feet today, but it's just been Yeah, it's just been 533 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: an interesting time. 534 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we will leave it there today. My friend 535 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: Jonathan Nepsel, as always, we appreciate. 536 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: You, it's my honor and I was tired from the 537 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: book tour, but now I'm back, So anybody who wants 538 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: to argue just let me know. 539 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on woke 540 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: a App as always, Power to the people and to all 541 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.