1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back to More to It to show that takes 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment, 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: and culture. 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Start with headline news and then journey to. 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Deeper conversations, always finding those life lessons that are presented 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: in every single story. I'm your host, Marcel's whilely that dude, 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: No lie, I got a froggy in my throat like 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: the little rascals. So if y'all hear it, y'all been warned. 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell going on my voice. 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: It's a little different than normal, but who cares. I 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: ain't never been normal. So let's get into this man 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: and started off with what's up with that dude? 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: A man? First of all, I'm looking amazing in this 14 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: damn shirt. Admit it. I ain't even sucking it in 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: the sucker here looking fresh facts over feelings. 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Go to Marcells while heshop dot com if you want 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: this shirt other than that man? 18 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: What did? I have two meetings yesterday? One of them. 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: Former CEO of Tiger Woods Foundation now First t Golf 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: along with my man Ken, we are talking about developing 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: some programs facilities in Los Angeles that's gonna be dedicated 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: to the game of golf. And you know, the game 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: of golf is more than just a sport. I like 24 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: to call it like a country club sport, like human capital, 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: social capital, connectivity, and you could play it today you 26 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: die and you're out there making relationships. So that needs 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: to be where the underserved are. That needs to be, 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: where the underprivileged are. That needs to be where I'm from, 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: where you're from, food Compton. So look forward to some 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: of our efforts as we try to bring that back. 31 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: Who is the next Tiger Woods? Who is the next 32 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: great golfer? 33 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think we need to look everywhere, 34 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: especially where I'm from, to go find him or hurt. 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: So excited about that. Other than that, had a meeting 36 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: with a. 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: Potential consultant who will help build out some of the 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: educational software and platform that I'm looking to do. And 39 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: this show is gonna be particularly interesting because if you 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: watch the Shannon Sharp part, you're gonna see full circle. 41 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: While I'm really here, I've been telling y'all in parts. 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: I've been telling y'all in pieces, probably been telling y'all 43 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: in totality, but it's gonna get emphasized today because of 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: what Shannon Sharp is saying and what the sports media 45 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: world is doing, So look forward to that. But right now, 46 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: let's get into this show right now, and y'all gotta 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: tell me, y'all gotta help me out with this one, 48 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: because they say legal sports betting has cut the fantasy 49 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: football audience. Wait a minute. I know y'all play some 50 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: fantasy football, and I know y'all bet too, But are 51 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: you picking? Is it an either or situation or it's 52 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: an and situation? Like I bet and I play fantasy football. 53 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: I am not the one to do either one too tough, 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: too strong. 55 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna need you guys in these comments to 56 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: help me on. 57 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: But let's talk through the story because a lot of 58 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: them made about the way that gambling has infiltrated real sports. 59 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: We know, watching the games right now, all these players 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: getting suspended everywhere you look. You were one foot away 61 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: from your locker. Oh you betting on the game. But 62 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: you didn't bet you will win. You just bet on 63 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: something else in the sport. Oh no, you had no 64 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: control over it. You couldn't even impact the game. But 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: you're suspended for half a year. Right, that's infiltrated real sports. 66 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: But what about fantasy sports. That's an interesting question. When 67 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: I saw the headline, said pretty good. And it's a 68 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: guy out there in Chicago who has his own show 69 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: podcast as well, named Lawrence Holmes, who was talking about 70 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: this as well. 71 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,559 Speaker 2: Living in Illinois, a place. 72 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: Where people are allowed to gamble, not every state is 73 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: allowed to do that, right, so the people of Illinois 74 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: are less likely now to play fantasy sports according to him, 75 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: as he says, I just have no energy. 76 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: For fantasy football anymore. 77 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: I would rather be on fan duel betting the NFL 78 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: than betting in the fantasy league, like worrying about losing 79 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: the game by a tenth of a point. 80 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: Huh. 81 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: I did do fan duel draft Kings for a secondary 82 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: That is fun, that is scary. I was like, dog, 83 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: put one hundred dollars down and if you lose it, 84 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: that's it. 85 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: And then I lost it. 86 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: Then I was like, all right, put another one hundred 87 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: dollars down and if you lose it, that's it. And 88 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: then I put another hundred dollars, Like dog, I need 89 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: to get away because I am not a gambler. I 90 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: told you guys the story before when I was in Panama. 91 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: Long story, short, I went in there, cocky with my 92 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: American ass, like what these Panamanians know about gambling. They 93 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: ain't been in Vegas, so I was like sitting there. 94 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: They had a table with the maximum was fifty dollars. 95 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: I said, y'all need to make that the minimum. The 96 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 1: maximum gotta be like five hundred or something. They moved 97 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: the maximum up for me. I'm gambling in the basement 98 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: of a Panama hotel by myself and everybody else there 99 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: at work there, and all of them were pretty so 100 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm like this, I had seven decks, seven hands, seven 101 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: hands of black jack. I'm beating myself, losing to myself, 102 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: losing to myself, beating myself, losing and losing to myself. 103 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: I was like, what the hell. I looked up. 104 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: I had lost eleven, eleven or third teen thousand dollars 105 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: in like thirty minutes. 106 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: Y'all like. 107 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: Time, money gone, and I was like, oh no, that's 108 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: the last time I've gambled. Only time you catch me 109 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: now gambled. I'm at the casino and they forcing me 110 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: to gamble at that machine because I want free drinks. 111 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: So I'll be like, all right, give them twenty dollars 112 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: and I lose that like that too. I am not 113 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: a good gambler, but it seems like a lot of 114 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: y'all are out there because y'all all are participating in it. 115 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: So betting directly on games has been more satisfying for people. 116 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying that. It's easy to 117 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: see though, how sports bett napps could replace fantasy football 118 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: for so many people. And that's gonna be because of 119 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: the gratification and the win is instant, right, you get 120 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: that something, you get that money, you hit them things, 121 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: you checking the games. 122 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie. It does get you more invested 123 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: in the game. 124 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: Let me stop, not invested in as much in the game, 125 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: invested in your players in that game. I gotta say 126 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: it the right way. So he said, I've had a 127 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: good time playing fantasy football, not saying that. I just 128 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: know for now it doesn't matter to me. How about 129 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: the feeling of winning money immediately and it already being 130 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: in your account and you're not having to worry about 131 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: someone not paying their fees or you're not getting your 132 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: money at the end of a season. 133 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing, y'all fantasy football players. 134 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: Out there, y'all cheap either y'all cheap or y'all broke, 135 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, when it's time to collect, 136 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: get the money up, it's a lot more taxing phone 137 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: calls than I like. I hate that part. I'm like, 138 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: I got the money, Oh oh oh, what happened here? 139 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: Man? 140 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: Look so now I played in the league before. Or 141 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: you gotta put the money up front. I get it, 142 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: I get it, But you're with your friends. You ain't 143 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: tripping until you got a trip. It's crazy. But the 144 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: other thing I don't like about fantasy is when people 145 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: get hurt. 146 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: It's harder than my final exam at Colombia. 147 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: Like he hurt, he hurt, I gotta trade him, you 148 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: gotta go over there. I'm like, ah, it's too much work. 149 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: Real football was eier than that. I was like, hell no, 150 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: So I was off of it. So he admitted that 151 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: last fantasy football lead he was a part of us 152 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: years ago, and it correlated coincided when when Illinois legalized 153 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: sports betting in twenty nineteen. So let me tell y'all 154 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: a couple of stories. Right, last year, I got asked 155 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: to be in two fantasy leagues, and I had one myself. 156 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: I had one with all my boys. We called it 157 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: like fathers, fathers of great kids. 158 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, some corny. It sucked. They had fun. 159 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: I lost. I got like seventh of eight place. It sucked. 160 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: When I say sucked, I was like, I didn't care. 161 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: I ain't even checked my lineups. I ain't even changed, 162 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: I ain't even switched my roster. 163 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: It sucked. 164 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, but I was happy to 165 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: be in a community with my boys. 166 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: That was fun. But it sucked. Let me just say that. 167 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 1: Then I got asked by some guys at my school 168 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: and they're rich, rich guys, former players, rappers, all this 169 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, right, one of those kind of leagues. 170 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: And they started off at five thousand dollars, and I 171 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna do it. That was double dutch. 172 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. Cauld we the homies. I was like, 173 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: ain't doing that. I don't even care. So why am 174 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: I gonna give y'all five thousand dollars just to be 175 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: cool keeping up with the Joneses and to hang with y'all. 176 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to do it, really, to just go over 177 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: everybody house to hang. I ain't paying five thousand dollars 178 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: hang with y'all, you know much ttos I could buy 179 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: for that, so on my hell. Now, So I didn't 180 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: do that, And then I'm glad I didn't do that 181 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: cause I heard they moved it up from five to 182 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars. 183 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: You imagine putting ten thousand dollars. 184 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: Down knowing you're gonna lose it, and not even caring 185 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: about playing the game, but caring a lot about losing 186 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: that money. I ain't do that league. And there was 187 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: another league that I fleked on that they were trying 188 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: to get me to join, and I was like, dog, 189 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm not joining this league, and everybody looks at me, like, 190 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, I get it if I'm in your league. 191 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: It's kind of cool because I'm a former player. Most 192 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: of the guys into those leagues are not former players. 193 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: I ain't stupid, But at the same time, I ain't stupid. 194 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: I ain't doing the damn league. Y'all ain't taking advantage 195 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: of me and bragging and your friends that work ain't brad. 196 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: Look at this smoking Marcellus, he sucks. I ain't doing it, dog, 197 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: y'all ain't getting no wrong on me like that. So 198 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: I just got hit up this morning that's why this 199 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: is so funny because you won another league, another fantasy league. 200 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: This one's like a pick them and you go against 201 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: the spread. And I asked my boy Nolan, and I 202 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: was like, is it easy. If it ain't easy, I 203 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: ain't doing it. So he said it's easy. Hopefully I 204 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: get some bread and make it cheesy, all right. So 205 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: I just wanted to know for real, this was just 206 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: a light one fantasy football versus sports betting, which one 207 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: don't say both? 208 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 2: I want to hear which one pick one? Damnit? And 209 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: then I do want to hear both, like what are 210 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: the pros and cons of both of them? 211 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: I want to have this conversation because I'm tired of 212 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: hating on fantasy and I'm tired of just being scared 213 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: of sports betting. Tied to make a decision and figure 214 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: out one of them right, and which one of y'all like? 215 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: Better? 216 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: Just be real, keep it simple, fantasy football or sports betting. 217 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: Never shut up in life with. 218 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: Your essence and showing the world who exactly you are. 219 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: I love that and I love that book as well. 220 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about something don't know if I 221 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: love it now? Player empowerment. I do love players having 222 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: all the leverage in terms of getting their money, but 223 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: I don't like necessarily all that comes with that player empowerment. 224 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: Particularly you wake up one day and you're moving around 225 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: and next day you're going to this place. The next 226 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: day you want to go to this team, right, kind 227 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: of that kind of like what's going on with Lebron's 228 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: son going on? I mean high school's he gonna go 229 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: through this offseason? God dang Lebron sent that boy down 230 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: and put them in one school and the ball out. 231 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: Stop running from your issues, all right? 232 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: So James Harden, Damian Lillard could define the limits of 233 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,359 Speaker 1: NBA player empowerment. 234 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: Let's talk to this. 235 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: Has player empowerment finally hit its ceiling? 236 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: Was the question that was asked. 237 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: And now Damian Lillard, James Hard and their situations are 238 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: dragging on extended standoffs between players and their teams with 239 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: no sign of resolutions coming up. You think about it, Look, 240 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: these are the best players on the team. So obviously 241 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: you're reluctant. Sorry James Harden's but they're the best players 242 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: on their team. Somebow, I'm disgruntled and going. 243 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: So we know Damian. 244 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: Lillard by far as that dude, But who wants to 245 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: let them go? James Harden, You're close to that, dude, 246 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: But why will we let you go? Because you compliment 247 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: our dude? So let me say that the right way. Well, 248 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: the specifics of each case they differ. Now, they share 249 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: three things in common as they broke you down. One, 250 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: a player is demanding the trade, not just any player 251 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: the dudes right. Two they're specifying one specific team as 252 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: their desired location, Clippers Miami Heat and doing so despite 253 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: recently kind of locking themselves in to their teams for longer. 254 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: Hard nothing to his final year of his contract, and 255 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: then Lillard signed a two year extension in July twenty 256 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: twenty two. So it's you see what's happening here. These 257 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: players want to be elsewhere, but they gonna secure the 258 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: bag while they're still there. Nothing wrong with that, right, 259 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: You got the hammer swing it if not Duck, Right, 260 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: that's the old saying when it comes to leverage. And I'm 261 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: gonna say that again. If you got the hammer swing it. 262 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: If you don't, Duck, guys, your as is gonna get 263 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: swung on. 264 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: Right. 265 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: So it's all part of this story that they're talking 266 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: about that is shifting in terms of player empowerment, last 267 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: several years, we've seen a lot of aggressive efforts by 268 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: players trying to navigate themselves out of their preferred situations 269 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: to go somewhere else, right, but not having the leverage, 270 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: not having the particular leverage to make that happen without 271 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: it being an issue. So there was a time when 272 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: in the final year of your contract, a player will say, Okay, 273 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna resign here, so take me somewhere else. 274 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: Do I want to go or else You're gonna lose 275 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: me for nothing? Okay, remember it all that, right, And 276 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: then midway through the season before you hear them talking, 277 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: all right, I told y'all, y'all better do something, and 278 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: then that's the way that they usually got what they 279 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: wanted push their way out. Well, that has changed of late, 280 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: because now you can see these players just saying, hey, 281 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm about to sign an extension with y'all, I'm about 282 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: to re up, I'm about to opt in. 283 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: Now I want to go. 284 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: The teams are like, what the hell, So why are 285 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: they doing that? Because they've seen other players do it, 286 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: You're getting away with it. What is culture? Culture is 287 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: what's rewarded. You could say player loyalty. You could say, oh, 288 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: guarantee you contract, you can say franchise player. But if 289 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: you're rewarding anybody who signs on the dot of line 290 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: to stay here and then allow them to go there, 291 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: you are empowering players to do exactly this. So that's 292 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: how we got here. Now, the mindset driving this change 293 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: could be different, and it could be described in. 294 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: A few words. Get that bag. You know. 295 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: It's funny, Like when I grew up, they were really 296 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: heavy on that loyalty stuff to the point where it 297 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: really worked. Like guys are like feeling weird if you 298 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: left somewhere, Oh my god, what are you doing? You're 299 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: trying to demand the trade your I played with guys 300 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: who wanted to mana trade and did not want to 301 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: know why because they were shook straight up. Hall of famers, 302 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: I can name them. I ain't gonna do it. I'll 303 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: protected guilty, but wanted to leave where I was and 304 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: they were like, man, I can't do that now, Please 305 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: call your agent. Ay before you've been hanging up with 306 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: the phone, you out of there. That's how the game 307 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: goes right now, except for Lillard, and except for Hearton, 308 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: let's talk about that. So ELEAD players used to be 309 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: able to navigate themselves to desires destinations before becoming a 310 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: free agent. 311 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: Now they're doing it, but they are doing it. 312 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: And not risking it financially. Right, They're doing it now saying, look, 313 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sign this rich extension, i'm'na get my dough 314 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna. 315 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: Get my way and I'm gonna get out this door. 316 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: Crazy, right, So I like how it's turning out in 317 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,359 Speaker 1: that respect, but we also see it doesn't always. 318 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: Go that way. 319 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: They got Kevin Durant and Ben Simmons, you remember them. 320 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: They eventually got their way, got their way out. 321 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: Of there, but. 322 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: He had to deal with seasons in Philly and Brooklyn 323 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: that necessarily didn't go the way you wanted it. Right 324 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: before Kevin Durant became a son, You're like, what the 325 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: hell is this? And before Ben Simmons went to Brooklyn 326 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: from Philly, the hell is this? So it does come 327 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: with his issues, it does come with its wrinkles. But 328 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: I just think that's what's interesting about this is this 329 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: is about a present time conversation versus future time evaluations, 330 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: and they're completely different. So in the moment a player 331 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: is like, I'm gonna sign this because I deserve this, 332 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: because I got the leverage to sign here. 333 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: The team is like, yeah, we'll give you that money because. 334 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: Your box office, you're a player, you're productive, and you 335 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: give us our best chance to win championships. 336 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: Simple formula, right. 337 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: But then the player looks around and be like, I 338 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: don't know if this is our best chance. Right, it 339 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: may be your best chance, but not my best chance. 340 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: You catch the difference. So if you're Portland, of course 341 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: your best chance to win a championship is with Damian 342 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: Lillard on that team. But is that Damian Lillard's So 343 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: what Demian Lillard is doing now is like wink, sign it, yeah, 344 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: sign okay, as soon as I signed, Hey, you're on 345 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: ball time. And it used to be the flip like 346 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: we signed them and we were on ball time because 347 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: we can make it cut, released or traded. It's a flip. 348 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: So I'm looking at it now in terms of player 349 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: in pommit. How good is it if Damian Lillard and 350 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: James Harden now are not gonna be able to force 351 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: their way not just out of Portland, not just out 352 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia to where they want to go whole different animal. 353 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: Huh ah. Things are shifting because it was a little bit. 354 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: It got stubborn around Kevin Durant, it got stubborn around 355 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons, it got stubborn around James Harden last go around. 356 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: You know, it was a little easier a couple of 357 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: years ago. A few years ago, you said you don't 358 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: want to be there. All right, we don't want them 359 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: here if you don't want to be here. Now we 360 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: are in a different place. So I'm just noticing that 361 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: these present times versus future time evaluations are different. In 362 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: the moment, when Damian Lillard signed, he was still loyal 363 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: Go Portland. 364 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: I'm for the land. Now I'm out of here. 365 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: I'm going to South Beach if y'all let me. And 366 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: that's the craziest thing, because they gotta let you. 367 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: They don't have to let you. They gotta let you. 368 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: They don't have to let you, they don't want to 369 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: let you, but they gotta let you. And these players 370 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: are punking owners, punkin teams, and then the teams are like, 371 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: all right, let them out of here then, but it's 372 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: the team's decision. Crazy, right, Think about that. You're gonna 373 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: go to your job and say I want to work 374 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: for the rival. 375 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 2: I'm at Coke. I want to work for Pepsi. And 376 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: then the CEO of Coke is like, nah, you signed 377 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: to stay here? You staying here? He like, what'd you say? 378 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to Pepsi? And then they let you go? 379 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? Well, now they slowing their role in 380 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 2: terms of letting it go. I don't know. 381 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: Y'all think it's gonna work out for Dame. Y'all think 382 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna work out for Harden. Be real, who's gonna 383 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: buds first in these standoffs situations? It's a little different, right, 384 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: Harden or the Sixers, h Lillard or the Trailblazers, And 385 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: who you think holds more power and leverage in these standoffs? 386 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: The players are the teams? 387 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: I swear. 388 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: I think it's the teams because it's ultimately their decision. 389 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: They're paying you the money and they have to sign 390 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: off on the trade. But I swear for the last 391 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: few years, until recent times, it's been the players. 392 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: So who holds that leverage in these standoffs? 393 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: Huh, whatever it is, whatever your answer is, it looks 394 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: like it's shifting. Fresh shad book never shouted up that 395 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: could be yours Friday, swagwey that's tomorrow, right, get that 396 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: as a winner. B All Wiley's world member in YouTube 397 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: and it's yours. All right, Let's get into this topic 398 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: because I've been waiting for this topic. Shannon Sharp says 399 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: he respects the players too much to be reckless with 400 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: my commentary. 401 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 2: Where that come from? Where that come from? Ah? I 402 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: guess he was just walking and skipping. 403 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean he was walking and then skipped to his Look, 404 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what he's skipping. After the 405 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: end of the seven years on FS one's on Disputed, 406 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp divorce skips Bayless and we saw it happened 407 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. And now we're waiting on 408 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: Shannon Sharp to show up somewhere else even don't bring CV. 409 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: Do it somewhere. 410 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: Come on, Shannon stopped just golfing with DJ cally when 411 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: you gonna ass. 412 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 2: Out and start talking that talk? Why? So in recent days, 413 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: Sharp's been teasing his comeback. Don't call it a comeback, 414 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: That's what he'd been saying. 415 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: He said he'd been doing this for years, which everyone 416 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: expects to occur. With ESPN, where Stephen A. Smith has 417 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: been recruiting him heavily, and we know he's gonna go on. 418 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: First take if that happens. 419 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: I ain't talked about that in nauseam. Don't do that, Shannon, 420 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: do more. Damn it, shit, you my role model, old 421 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: muscular ass do boy. Don't just get on there and 422 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: be all carrosel. But do you dog? Do you too? 423 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: I respect you all right? 424 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: So earlier this week, Sharp tweeted that he will be 425 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: back before the NFL season kicks off, even though nothing 426 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: official has been announced. So he was talking to some 427 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: people Twitter getting it in because he got a lot 428 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: of free time right now, and he was looking at 429 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: some of those back and forth this course about how 430 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: bad shows have gotten and prioritizing getting a reaction over 431 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: providing analysis, and Sharp didn't exactly disagree, although he defended 432 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: his own airstyle. 433 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. 434 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: His own air style is this, as he said, excuse me, 435 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: Dougie Fresh, Yes, you know my work. I play and 436 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: respect the game and players too much to be reckless 437 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: with my commentary. I spent at least four to five 438 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: hours of prep time preparing for two and a half 439 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: hours show. Okay, So he respects the game because he 440 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: was a baller, a beast. Y'all know I played against 441 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: Shannon Sharpe. Yeah, he put them hands in your world 442 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: for real. Imagine Shannon sharp with them young muscles, because 443 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: I had to go against that. Y'all see these old muscles, 444 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: these ownk muscles. I saw when it was nephew muscles. 445 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: Them suckers were strong. And he was talking about being 446 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 1: reckless with his commentary, which everybody thought was a subtle 447 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: dig Askki skip skip skip skip day list. 448 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 2: I don't want to do that to skip, but it 449 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: was a dig at them. We know that. So let's 450 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: talk about what he's talking about. Ah, the only pushback I. 451 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: Gotta give you. You know me, I don't give a 452 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 1: damn who you are. You be my best friend. I'm 453 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: still gonna check your ass if I feel like it. 454 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: You better check yourself for your records. 455 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 2: Self. So he says he respects the gang too much 456 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 2: to be reckless with his commentary. 457 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm all in on that, but then don't support that 458 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: by saying you spend four to five hours of prep 459 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: time and doing that for two and a half hour show. 460 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: You don't have to spend any time prepping to be reckless. 461 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: Or not reckless, So the prep time didn't really support 462 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: what he was saying. But I'm sure he would just 463 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 1: talk about two different things. Shannon was well prepared, Shannon 464 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: was killing it right, But it's interesting. I think Shannon 465 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: also got defeated in his efforts in the power struggle 466 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: and the power dynamics of doing what he wanted to do. 467 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: That gave him pride in what he was doing at 468 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: work versus what the show was offering and what the 469 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: show was suggesting him to do. 470 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: Okay, the one. 471 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: Thing I hated the most about doing all them shows 472 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: over all these years is the teammate. 473 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: Factor, your co host, not them. I didn't hate them. 474 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: I hated the dynamic because when you disagreed, you're looking 475 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: at him like, Okay, you're just saying that about let's 476 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: say Westbrook. 477 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: You're killing Westbrook. 478 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: You're going way past the border, You're way into his 479 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: personal life. You're way too far downstream. Right now, I'm 480 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: trying to respect somebody that I know who is greater 481 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: than both of us in playing basketball, right But at 482 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: the same time, I'm trying to respect you because I 483 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: got another block to do with you, and I got 484 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: another show to do with you, and I got a 485 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: career with you, and you're my teammate, but damned all 486 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: you tripping and I say you're tripping, but you keep 487 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: doing it, so you a habitual livestepper. So now I 488 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: got a deep respect for you because I'm like, why 489 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: you keep going on air and popping off like that. 490 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: The toughest thing but working with people was the respect 491 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: that they did or didn't have for the players. Sometimes 492 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: they got too much respect. You're like dog top Brady 493 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: can't do wrong, and You're like no, no, no, no, no, no, 494 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: nothing wrong, right, no, not that wrong, And you're like, 495 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, huh, I didn't say that. Look, my 496 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: first time seeing a game plan, and I remember we 497 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: were playing the Indianapolis Coach at least the first time 498 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: I remember it, and it was eye opening because we 499 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: were playing the Coats and I knew how good Peyton 500 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: Manning was, but I also knew he was young and 501 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: he had his struggles throwing interceptions, And it was amazing 502 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: that on one side of the paper on it was 503 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: dual sided. One side was all the pros and I 504 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: flipped it and all the cons and I was like, 505 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: all right, yeah, he is having some suspect twenty eight interceptions. 506 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: First year, Okay, let's get past that. 507 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: Then next year when he was thirteen to three killing it, 508 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: and we planned him once again. 509 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: Pros long ass lists, flip it cons, long ass. 510 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: List, where to put him, where he doesn't like, where 511 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: he's uncomfortable, what he doesn't like to throw, will will 512 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: make them, panics, pressure up the middle, et cetera. That's 513 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: pay man, that's everybody. So I hate when people don't 514 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: have any respect for somebody, and I hate when people 515 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: have absolute respect to the point where they are not 516 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: gonna do correct analysis. That's where this relationship went wrong. 517 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: My worst moments were because I work with a lot 518 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: of non athletes. The only athlete I worked with was Acho, Right, 519 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: the worst moments were I was like, dog, won't you 520 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: put some respect on that guy's name, won't you put 521 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: respect on. 522 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: That guy's game? 523 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: Like, I know, it's a relative existence, so we gonna 524 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: grade him against other players, But at the same time, 525 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: don't cut him down to that level. Like he came ball. 526 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: He just ain't as good a ball or as that guy. 527 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: The worst thing was with Acho because he's the only 528 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: athlete I played with. Well, I was like dog Ocho, 529 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: I was good. You weren't good at all? Why are 530 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: we over here killing people that are great? We I 531 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: didn't say him, just him now. I did get mad 532 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: at him sometimes, like do you even you wasn't even 533 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: good at all? So you really can't kill nobody. 534 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: But I had some moments in some years, but I 535 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: still ain't gonna kill nobody because they ain't better than me. 536 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: Like it's just a weird dynamic. I don't know what 537 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: it is. 538 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: But I always slapped myself because I was like, I 539 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: can't sing, But that don't mean I gotta say every 540 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: singer is great, every singer is good. 541 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: I ain't gotta buy all the albums. 542 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: I could be like, yeah, Michael Jackson's up here, and 543 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: some of these new R and B little eighteen year olds, 544 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: y'all suck, you know what I mean? So I always 545 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: kind of got caught in the middle. And that's what 546 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: was so weird about it. I was always in the 547 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: middle and it didn't feel so fulfilling. And that's what's 548 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: happened here. This whole sports media discourse has become a 549 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: little less fulfilling for guys. That's why you see him 550 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: all leaning venturing trying to do more, trying to do. 551 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: Us because it's like, dog, I'm over here talking. 552 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: About this dude lost the game and I can't even dribble, nog. 553 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: I suck at basketball, And I know Westbrook, that's the 554 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: homie I wish I would, for real, with my heart 555 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: in theater and entertainment, go on TV and be like, yo, 556 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: he sucked. The hell I see that boy the next 557 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: day a school something. Yeah, yea yeah, yeah's some problem, right. 558 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: So this gets me to where I am. Why am 559 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: I here for you guys? For real? And I told 560 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: y'all I am here to police the police as well. 561 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 2: Boy. 562 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: Let me tell you I got pressure on them, casts 563 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 1: on them desks, all of them, pressure, talk to them 564 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: all the time. 565 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: Pressure. 566 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: You want to know why, Because I'm out here just watching. 567 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do all the football stories, basketball stories, sports stories. 568 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: But I'm also gonna do stories on y'all. Y'all better 569 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: watch it because we gotta humanize these athletes again. Let 570 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: me tell you why. Because they're too important to people. 571 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: They're too important to our kids, they're too inspirational. There's 572 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: the natural leaders in our community. Stop playing you think 573 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: a leader in your community is somebody who gonna one 574 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: day become an actor. You think a leader in your 575 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: community is when some guy one day gonna become a rapper. Nah, 576 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: it's that little eight, nine, ten year old, eleven year old. 577 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: I've been that kid where everybody. 578 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: Started looking at like, God, he's special dog, he gonna 579 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: be something right, whatever that is. And naturally, athletes have 580 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: the healthiest egos, true leadership egos. That's why they turn 581 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: into more CEOs than anything. Former athletes, not pro necessarily, 582 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: but former athletes. We gotta respect them and protect them. 583 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: We all have tried it. Whether you stopped at the 584 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: high school level, you stopped at college, shit, you were 585 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: sorry as hell. 586 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 2: You can even get passed by Warner. 587 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: We all had our hand on the ball trying to 588 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: do something right, and sometimes that ball said let me go. 589 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: Your ass suck. 590 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: It's okay, though, But that's a natural leadership. Proud right 591 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: there being in it that premise right there. Natural leadership 592 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: is born from athletics, man, and it's a different ego. 593 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: No one had to tell me how good I was 594 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: in sports. Sports told me, opponents told me, scoreboard told me, 595 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: objective things, told me I had to wins and Losses 596 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: told me. 597 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: MVPs told me. 598 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: But all these other endeavors where we're looking to and 599 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: we're looking at all these people to try and. 600 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 2: Entertain us and educate us. Man, them people got fragile egos. 601 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 2: You want to know why. 602 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: You want to know why actors have fragile egos. One 603 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: want to know how these rappers and stuff ain't the 604 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: ones you should be listening too. Fully want to know why? 605 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 2: Tell your ass why? 606 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: Because somebody else has got to tell them that they 607 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: are who they are. 608 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: And that ain't the same as an athlete. Oh, let's 609 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: just race. No, how fast? 610 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: Oh I'm fast, I'm faster than you, Wally, No, you 611 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: ain't what you running one hundred? 612 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: All I need to hear is the time. That's it. 613 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: You want a race, Let's go who won that race? 614 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: This ain't no conversation. What's your time? I used to 615 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: laugh when I'd be able to track meet somebody. Come 616 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: up here, tell me how good they were, how fast 617 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: they were? 618 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: Like, what was your time? 619 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: This happened to me in Vegas about a couple of 620 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: weeks ago, too, But I ain't gonna get in test story. 621 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: Oh she bored me, somebody. 622 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: She was fast? Fast, said what you run? She couldn't 623 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: tell me the times like girl, Yeah, I'm fixed. You 624 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: ain't fast. So then I'm a youngster. 625 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: Cats come up in there, wolfing, wolfing, Who I'm faster you? 626 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: I beat you, I beat you, I beat you. Ice 627 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: always be the young kivin what's you run? What's your time? 628 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: Quiet on the set? Right, this ain't no. I got 629 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: an audition and hopefully I got a connection with you. 630 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: And if it's not a connection, hopefully I know someoney 631 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: that is connected to you. So I can get the 632 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: role or I just kill it, but I kill it 633 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: in a subjective way because somebody else could have killed 634 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: it too, right, Lorenz take destroyed old dog? What would 635 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: a pap doing Tupac in that same role? Would that 636 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: have been as good or better or worse? 637 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: Point is we don't know. But in football and track 638 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: and all sports, ye know that's the point. 639 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: And our egos are different. So we got to stop 640 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: destroying these athletes. Man, So I'm filling Shannon Shark on 641 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: having respect and not having reckless commentary. 642 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: WHOA. 643 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: My last point about this is it all came home 644 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: to me full circle. Coaching these kids, man, these little kids, 645 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: these little idy bitties look up to these athletes. 646 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: You know, they look up to them for real in 647 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: a good, healthy way. 648 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: You know, they wear their jerseys, and then you know 649 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: you also hear them already having that bad discourse because 650 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: somebody teasing somebody else. You know, Westbrook kids go to 651 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: our school, you know, and then some kids try to 652 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: clown sometimes. I give y'all full you know, full disclosure. 653 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: I've seen some kids try to have a joker too, 654 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: and that's messed up. He's even talked about it. So 655 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm not out in them. 656 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: Come on, y'all, Westbrook. 657 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: Aha, my fame against jokes at school from his son 658 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: and oh oh ya, what. 659 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: Are we doing? 660 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: So I was coaching the itty biddies, and the itty 661 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: biddies were coming up to me like loving all these athletes, 662 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: and literally I would go to work and work with 663 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: people who didn't have love for those same athletes. But 664 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm over here coaching these guys to become who they 665 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: could become and also respect those heroes and those role 666 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: models that they love and the jerseys that they wear, 667 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: and then literally going to tear them down or not me, 668 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: but in respect. Going to a machine that was going 669 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: to tear them down, got Lee. I mean to stand 670 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: being critical and talk about the act, not the actor. 671 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: But let's not be reckless, y'all. Let's respect these guys 672 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: in the game because we all tried it. We all 673 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: tried it. I try to be a Hall of Famer 674 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: in football, came this short, y'all, tried to become something 675 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: in something and became this short. 676 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 2: Right, it is what it is. 677 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: But this public discourse about sports, I'm here to humanize it. 678 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm not here to kumbayai. I'm not here to sit 679 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: there and say, oh, we're gonna have campfires every day, 680 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: you know how I do. But we're gonna have more 681 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: of us doing it this way because we're getting a 682 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: little tired. We're getting a lot tired of the way 683 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: that they doing it over there, just for some shits 684 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: and giggles. 685 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: All right. 686 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: So you think that sports discourse has gotten bad, dumh. 687 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: You think shows prioritize getting a reaction over providing analysis, 688 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: dumb I know, y'all do. And do you think Skip 689 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: Bayless was the intended target and reckless with his sports commentary? 690 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 2: You think Skip is reckless? I do. It's all good. 691 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: He gets what he gets out of it. 692 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: But at the same time, Ah, having these idy biddies 693 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: looking at life forward, you gotta look at life ford 694 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: when you got eddie biddies behind you, right, you gotta 695 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: make sure you put some respect on these natural born 696 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: leaders with ch are the athletes, not just pro but 697 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: you too, yo. So let's get into these comments and 698 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: have a little fun with this. Sorry, I had to 699 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: go onto my preachy tip, but damn it, it means 700 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: that much to me. 701 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: She boy myself. 702 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: It's white who loves this book, And I guess I 703 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: love it because it's my book. It could be your 704 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: book Tomorrow Friday. Swagger away, Wiley World members. Let's get 705 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: into some comments. Forget it from some comments. Yeah, Anthony 706 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: richards is coachs quarterback one. I'm gonna get through these 707 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: kind of fast, rapid fire. I like it when it's faster. 708 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: I think Athy ch Richardson will do great eventually, but 709 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: I hope the coachs give them time. Remember Peyton started 710 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: three and thirteen. Yeah, they gave Peyton time because his 711 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: record was bad. He was throwing a lot of the sessions, 712 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: but the sucker was still great. You saw that. I 713 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 1: remember Wade Phillips said you better get him now, and 714 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: this was his rookie year. 715 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: He said, cause it's. 716 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: Gonna be problems going forward, so he better looked like 717 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: he gonna be a problem going forward. Honestly, for me, 718 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: it's not wins and losses for ar in the first year. 719 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: Oh really, you're the owner now. He only had two 720 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: handful of games in college, So I think the big 721 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: thing for me is seeing him get better week by 722 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: week and then hopefully by year two he's a top 723 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: ten quarterback. 724 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: I hate when people say get better week by week. 725 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: Ain't nobody ever ever in life got better week by week. 726 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: You get better, two step foward, one step back, blah 727 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: blah blah. But I know what you meant, and hopefully 728 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: he does succeed. Let him get the mistakes and interceptions 729 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: out now, and let him get the reps he missed 730 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: out on previously. Think having hit him sit behind another 731 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: guy who would prolong that learning curve. 732 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: Good point. Steven A. 733 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: Smith regrets Kwame Brown this. This is what I feel. 734 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: Pundits or fans who never played can talk that mess, 735 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,719 Speaker 1: then the athletes can as well. Amen see Skip Bayless, 736 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: Jalen Rose. All that was my best moment in sports 737 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: media history. 738 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: And some people who talk that big never even play 739 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: at all. 740 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: Oh, it's the worst. Kwame made over sixty three million 741 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: in his career. Y'all can call me a scrub all day. 742 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: That's the craziest thing. Now, only did he make sixty 743 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: three million, which you can't do if you're a scrub, 744 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: But true scrub ain't getting sixty three sack the number 745 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: one overall pick dog. It's like a doctor, so what 746 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: I ain't get no surgeries? Call me doctor, but you 747 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: don't do no surgeries. Call me doctor and shut your answer. Right, 748 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: let's talk about this step. And they made Kwame get 749 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: more famous for making fun of him. Really, he got 750 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: away with it for a long time. But then came 751 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: the day that he probably didn't expect, the day when 752 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: Kwame unleashed a helstorm of fury. Damn, I ain't gonna 753 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: lie to y'all, and he got at my boy and 754 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: Matt Barnes is my dog. Steven Jackson's my dog, and 755 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: he got at them, and I ain't gonna lie. Kwame's 756 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: just funny man like y'all can get it. If somebody 757 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: come at me, I dare they ask? Though, ain't nobody 758 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: coming at me, dog? And if you do, good luck, 759 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: because I don't stop, bad Boy and King stop won't stop. 760 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: But the point is they came at my boys and 761 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: I laughed at it. I'm I'm the friend that's like dog. 762 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: Forget how you feel? Was that a good joke? 763 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 2: Yes? Wouldn't laugh? Damn it? 764 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: And laugh at yourself. I laugh at my pain. If 765 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: y'all come at me, I'm gonna laugh. I'm gonna come 766 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: get your ass. So Kwame is amazing to me, even 767 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: though he got at my homeboys for real. First thing 768 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: First is a far more enjoyable shit to watch, and 769 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: the chemistry between all of them is the best I've 770 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: ever seen. Oh, I've seen in a long time. E 771 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: Skipp me no need to go from that to the 772 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: depressed mess that the skipping his selfish fondset. Y'all so 773 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: stupid talking about that, Skip Bayless all, we got a 774 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: member here. I feel both shows are going down a bit. 775 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: I think within three years it will be Smiff and 776 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: Bayless together again. That will boost it for a couple 777 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: of years and it will be all over. Though I 778 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: believe stephen A and Skip are about four years away 779 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: from running this course. 780 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 2: Yes, it's I don't know. 781 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: I ain't predicting nobody failing in the end of No Roads. 782 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it is losing his spirit. 783 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: Let's just say that Skip has no one else to 784 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: blame but himself. If it doesn't work out, that's on Skip. 785 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: He disrespected Shannon. That's why he's in the position he's 786 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: in now. Yeah, but what's position is Shannon in right now? 787 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 2: Right? We don't know where Shannon's going and what Shannon 788 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 2: wants to do. So y'all stop hating no Skip. Just 789 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 2: talk real about skipping. Skip be doing a lot. 790 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: That's it, alright, y'all know what I'll be doing. I've 791 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: been doing these wilyisms. 792 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Luck is skilled. 793 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: Showing up without it an appointment. I love you too. 794 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: That's a good while. Is we top ten? 795 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: Maybe? Hungh top ten? 796 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: Luck is skilled showing up without an appointment. I try 797 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: my son all the time. I make some shots. We 798 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: go in the backyard, play around. He do something crazy. 799 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 2: Lucky that lucky, that's his thing. 800 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: Now he's watching something some dude on YouTube that it 801 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: always screams everything he does, oh Lucky, And I'm like, nah, 802 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: nah no, Bruh, Your daddy over here got some skills, right. 803 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: They don't always show up when I want them. 804 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: But that's what luck is, skills showing up without an appointment, right, 805 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: So I know they in here is just how they 806 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: call them out for you to see, for me to see. 807 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: So that's the thing about life, man. Now you got 808 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: to create your own luck. How do you create your 809 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: own luck? 810 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 2: Gather skills? You were given talent. 811 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: Now you must acquire skills, and then luck will find 812 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: this way to you, and then it will show up 813 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 1: when it wants to, not exactly when you call it, right. 814 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: And that's the beautiful thing about this world, the beautiful 815 00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: thing about. 816 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 2: This life, the improv of it, the build up. 817 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: You can be the most prepared and give the worst performance, 818 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: and then you could be the least prepared to give 819 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: a great performance. But careful, don't try to repeat either 820 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: one of those. Expect the same outcome. If you're always prepared, 821 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: sooner or later you're gonna have more than not good performances. 822 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 1: And if you're never prepared, please do not think, oh, 823 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: that good performance is gonna keep repeating itself. I had 824 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,479 Speaker 1: this happen in college the night before my best game 825 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: ever in college against Cornell. 826 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: I think I had a sack or two. 827 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: Fumble, recovery, forced fumbo interception, touchdown, everything. 828 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 2: The night before. 829 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: Your boy was in them streets, in them screets and 830 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: the Misi brother sheets. 831 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 2: I was, I was just I lost them. I'm sorry. 832 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I was just in the zone. 833 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: Has fun that night and then had the best game, 834 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: and no, Lie tried it one more time, one more 835 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: time in college in the pros. 836 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 2: Holding an animal in college sucked. 837 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: Ah, No luck bad. Look, it didn't show up at 838 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 1: all forgetting appointment. It just wasn't there. But in all seriousness, y'all, 839 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: y'all gotta know that I just put in that work, man, 840 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: and then know that you're gonna get some love. You're 841 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: gonna get some bumps, you're gonna get some bonuses. It's 842 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: gonna come out of nowhere too. But it didn't come 843 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. We out here putting it work, putting 844 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: it work. Where that luck at where that luck. Oh 845 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: luck don't show up when you call it, show up 846 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: when it wants to write. So just keep showing up 847 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: and putting in that work, and I'll sell. You'll be like, oh, 848 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: that that's mister Luck right there. Oh, I'm sorry, that's 849 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: just skill showing up without an appointment. 850 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 2: All right, y'all gotta do it. 851 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: For More to It, check the show notes for all 852 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: the information on our topics today today. 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