WEBVTT - Rick Steiner Kidnapped/Was Wrestlemania a Success?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it all. How's going to everybody? Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>here on Wrestling over Live. We are here every day

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<v Speaker 1>next hour. It's my daughter, she hit her wall today.

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<v Speaker 1>Mommy has been down on vacation for the last two

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<v Speaker 1>days and she finally hit her wall. Trying to calm

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<v Speaker 1>her down, but babysitters having a rough time, So I

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<v Speaker 1>apologize in advance if you you're na for the next hour. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Wednesday here in this program. We got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to get into here today. Oh do we ever? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know that Rick Steiner was kidnapped last night? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know where to be in. But yes, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about n x T two point oh and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other news as well, because there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>some big news. We've got the Raw after WrestleMania, largest

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<v Speaker 1>audience for the show since January of twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>and over a year, largest audience for the show on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a huge first hour by Ross standards. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell you about the ratings for the raw after

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<v Speaker 1>WrestleMania was a big success. We'll see where it is

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a month from now, but that was the UH.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the Monday numbers. We got a w Dynamite tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, we have qualifying matches for the Owen

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<v Speaker 1>Hart Foundation Men's and Women's tournament. And in the men's

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<v Speaker 1>tournament it will be Samoa Joe in his Dynamite debut

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<v Speaker 1>against Max. This poor Max castor Ah just one horrible

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<v Speaker 1>beating after another. But that's tonight. We'll give you the

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<v Speaker 1>full line for the rest of the show as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We got updates on Cody Roads coming off Monday. A

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<v Speaker 1>counter talks about his UH, his weight loss and his

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<v Speaker 1>name change and his focus on nutrition. So we got

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<v Speaker 1>that to talk about here today and New Japan it's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up this weekend. And we got a big guest

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<v Speaker 1>on today literally and figuratively. We'll tell you bad after

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<v Speaker 1>the break, rusting Observer Live back in the show. Brain

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<v Speaker 1>Albert is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mike's Andimburviti also Wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>Observer dot com. We got a lot of news to

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<v Speaker 1>get into here today, and don't even think I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>reviewing an x T two point oh in the final

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<v Speaker 1>center of the show, however, Big Damo is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>on the show here today, the former killing Dane. He

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<v Speaker 1>will be wrestling for New Japan this coming Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 1>And you want a mean guy match? Have I got

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<v Speaker 1>a mean guy match for you, Big Demo versus Tomo

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<v Speaker 1>hero Is She They'll be tearing up on Sunday in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could be there, but I can't. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting right in an x T. So we gotta get

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<v Speaker 1>going because this is the shortest segment we've got today,

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<v Speaker 1>because I got a lot to say and I may

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<v Speaker 1>I may need more time. So uh. It opened up

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<v Speaker 1>with Gunter coming out as braun Breaker is doing a

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<v Speaker 1>promo and this crowd is just I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>up with this crowd, this crowd. I'm over this crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Cameron Grimes came out later in the show

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<v Speaker 1>after he won the title for his father who had

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<v Speaker 1>passed away, and half the crowd chance you deserve the

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<v Speaker 1>other half? Chance, No, he doesn't. His death died and

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<v Speaker 1>he won the title for his father, and we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>the no he doesn't anyway whatever, and he's a baby face.

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<v Speaker 1>So Brown Breakers out there and you're getting all these

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<v Speaker 1>chances and everything and outcomes Uh comes Gunter and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I cannot wait to see this feud.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Smokes is gonna be awesome. They announced a match

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<v Speaker 1>for tonight in the main event, so I figured, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe we'll ever run in or whatever. So

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<v Speaker 1>then we had the Creed Brothers versus Imperium and they're

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<v Speaker 1>having this match, and all of a sudden, in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the match, Fabian Aichner just walks out on

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<v Speaker 1>Marcel Bartel like there was no spot, there was no nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like he broke up a pin. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>walked out and Marcel Bartel is all by himself and

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<v Speaker 1>he gets beaten. So I don't know what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we had the two masked assailants they that have

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<v Speaker 1>been messing with the Creeds. They jump him after the match,

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<v Speaker 1>and the unmasked and that's like, oh my god, look

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<v Speaker 1>who it is, but they don't tell us who it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And then uh, and then uh, the other one I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember who started an who ended, but the other

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<v Speaker 1>guy goes, I know those guys there from n X

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<v Speaker 1>t U K. I'm like, yeah, who are they? And

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<v Speaker 1>finally they spit out. It's pretty deadly, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>both guys forgot who they were and someone had to

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<v Speaker 1>like tell him over the that side because it was

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<v Speaker 1>forever before they told us who they were. So pretty

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<v Speaker 1>deadly is debuted. It will be scaring off with the

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<v Speaker 1>creeds here. So then we had Cameron Grimes coming out

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<v Speaker 1>and as noted, he does his promo and he's all

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<v Speaker 1>emotional about his father's passed away and the crowd's heckling

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<v Speaker 1>him half of them and Solo Sko comes out and

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<v Speaker 1>he wants a shot at the North American title and

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna have a match, so that should at least

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<v Speaker 1>be good. We had a bunch of Joe Gayzy promos

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<v Speaker 1>that sucks. I don't know what's going on, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Gayzy promo, so you know the you know the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we had Dexter Loomas versus Duke Hudson, so they

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<v Speaker 1>had all these vignettes over the weekend. You know which

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<v Speaker 1>couple is hotter and everything like that. So they show

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<v Speaker 1>us a couple of the clips, and the clips are

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<v Speaker 1>funny because, like I've said it a million times, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to see Dexter Loomas do a lot of matches,

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<v Speaker 1>but like his character in the vignettes, he's in fantastic. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now he's got to wrestle and so him and Hudson

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<v Speaker 1>are wrestling and they both end up outside the ring

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<v Speaker 1>and the referee is is counting, and then both women

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<v Speaker 1>try to get their man into the ring. They both fail.

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<v Speaker 1>Then all four of them fall down in an orgy

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<v Speaker 1>horrific pile. But like they want you to think stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, but they actually want to show it, so

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<v Speaker 1>they cut it. They cut away so fast when they

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<v Speaker 1>were all laying on top of each other, It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you even bothering if you're like afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>actually show this. So anyway, they cut away and we

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<v Speaker 1>never saw it again. They both got counted out. That

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<v Speaker 1>was cool. Uh, then we add Toxic Attraction versus Raquel

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<v Speaker 1>and Dakota Kai. So for those of you, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you're fall doing this story or not, but

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<v Speaker 1>the WrestleMania was Saturday, guys, remember that show. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember Night one of WrestleMania, the show that started at

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<v Speaker 1>six o'clock pm pacificy Eastern for the pre show and

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<v Speaker 1>ended after midnight, so six hours if you wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>watch the pre show, and then they decided, well, earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in the day, we're gonna do this n x T

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<v Speaker 1>Standing Deliver show. So you know, if you're on the

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<v Speaker 1>West coast like me, it started like nine or ten am,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I ain't getting up at nine or

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<v Speaker 1>ten am and to watch the show. We know what

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<v Speaker 1>some people did, and more power to them. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>that big a fan, you're gonna watch, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>three hour n x T show and then a six

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<v Speaker 1>hour wrestle Mania show. Like I'm not gonna say anything

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<v Speaker 1>bad about you. I could use a lot of loyal

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of loyalty like that on this program. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you did that, if you went out of

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<v Speaker 1>your way to watch three hours of n x T

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<v Speaker 1>before you watch six hours of WrestleMania, well, man, what

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<v Speaker 1>you saw. You saw braun Breaker fail to win back

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<v Speaker 1>the title against a Masso Champa. You saw an n

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<v Speaker 1>x T Tag Team championship change where Riquel Gonzalez and

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<v Speaker 1>Dakota Kai won the tag team titles. Well, if you

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<v Speaker 1>put all that working and watching that show Monday night

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<v Speaker 1>on Raw, brun Breaker won the title on Raw, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the next night they did a rematch for Toxic

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<v Speaker 1>Attraction and Raquel and Dakota and Toxic Attraction they won

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<v Speaker 1>those belts back. So you were sure rewarded for watching

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<v Speaker 1>that stand in the Liver show. So yeah, we got

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<v Speaker 1>new take team champions. They have won the belts back

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<v Speaker 1>then we had Tony D'Angelo doing a segment a j Galante.

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<v Speaker 1>This poor bloke, all he had to do was a

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<v Speaker 1>ceremony to crown Uh Tony D'Angelo a made man. This

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<v Speaker 1>was too much. This segment was horrible. Forgot lines no,

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<v Speaker 1>but he cared and then uh he was heckled, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Tony D'Angelo was given a ring. He's now the

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<v Speaker 1>dawn of n XT. He's a made man. MSK cut

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<v Speaker 1>promos about how they won the titles, and then uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Grays and Waller's out there with his arm and his

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<v Speaker 1>sling and the baby face tag champs challenged the guy

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<v Speaker 1>with the broken arm to fight for the titles tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, dude, I'm hurt, so they didn't do their

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<v Speaker 1>match tonight. And for those of you wondering, I hate

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<v Speaker 1>to break KFE, but Grays and Waller is not hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>but it looks so bad that they're gonna pretend he's hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why he had the sling on, which is

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<v Speaker 1>good because it looked like he killed himself. We had

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<v Speaker 1>Nikita Lyons and lash Legend. I mean, it wasn't horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the match with Vince McMahon at WrestleMania was

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<v Speaker 1>like a thousand times worse. But I'll talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>this in a moment. Santos Escobar and Legato del Fantasma

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<v Speaker 1>running a Tony D'Angelo and a j Galante who apparently

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<v Speaker 1>duo now, and you know they both essentially totally other

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<v Speaker 1>to stay out of each other's business. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>main event was braun Breaker and Gunther Okay, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was so excited to see this like headline a takeover

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<v Speaker 1>whatever whatever they call the takeovers now, and uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even believe I'm complaining about this one. They went

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<v Speaker 1>in there and they had a very good match and

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<v Speaker 1>they had a clean finish. Braun Breaker beat Gunther in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the ring with his move pinned him one,

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<v Speaker 1>two three. Now why am I complaining about this? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they gave this away on TV for free as a

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<v Speaker 1>set up for braun Breaker's next challenger, Joe Gacy, the

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<v Speaker 1>former vaulter, was a set up guy for Joe Casey.

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<v Speaker 1>That's gonna be the feud and the long term feud.

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<v Speaker 1>Here Joe Casey has kidnapped because we joke about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's actually not a joke. There is a kidnapping

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<v Speaker 1>on this show every other week, and this week Rick

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<v Speaker 1>Steiner has been kidnapped by Joe Gacy. That is this

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<v Speaker 1>set up for this braun Breaker Joe Gacy feud. There

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<v Speaker 1>was set up by braun Breaker just pinning gun Through

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the ring in a random main

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<v Speaker 1>event unadvertised on n x T two point Oh. The

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<v Speaker 1>only thing I gotta say about this is, uh, what

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<v Speaker 1>the good thing about this match, besides the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>it was good was you know, braun Breaker is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be somebody, and what I like is he's being

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<v Speaker 1>thrown into the deep end because you know, this was

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<v Speaker 1>not something that braun Breaker and Gunther practiced for a

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<v Speaker 1>week like Gunther's in there he's calling spots left and right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that this was kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't I shouldn't say last minute,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean it was sort of last minute, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this whole thing on Monday was last minute.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, you know, he had to go in there

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<v Speaker 1>and he had to do a you know, call the match.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they went over some stuff, but this was

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<v Speaker 1>called the match in the ring. Listen to Gunther do

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<v Speaker 1>what he says, get in there and actually work, which

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<v Speaker 1>of course is the opposite of what we saw with

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<v Speaker 1>the Nikita Lions match. Nikia Lions and Lash Legend like

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<v Speaker 1>they practiced their match probably for weeks. They got in there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they managed to pull it off, but you

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<v Speaker 1>ain't gonna learn to work like that. You're just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be able to pull off a match on television, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if that's all you want these two to do,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine. But Brown Breaker needs learned how to work.

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<v Speaker 1>And this match with Gunther, I mean, he was in

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<v Speaker 1>there and he's a better worker now after the match

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<v Speaker 1>than he was before. So I like that aspect of it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get Mike Saus after the break talk more Observer

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<v Speaker 1>Live anything else? Alright, Mike, your thoughts on nine x

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<v Speaker 1>T two point Oh uh. There's a lot of talent

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<v Speaker 1>on that show booth, a little bit seasoned and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of raw talent, obviously, with people like braun Breaker

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<v Speaker 1>and such. But when they pulled back after he seated

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<v Speaker 1>Walter Clean, I just assumed Fabia Eichner would be standing there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, explaining where he went. You know that would

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<v Speaker 1>that would make some sense? Okay, he just beat Walter Clean.

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<v Speaker 1>We just had Imperium lose the tag titles. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>things are falling apart. But you know what, he lost

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<v Speaker 1>his mind, went to the back and said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>Selverik Steiner there and decided to take him. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know would it made more sense, I think than Joe Gayzy,

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<v Speaker 1>But I am not a seasoned cz W viewer. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I don't know if Joe Gayzy did a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of training at the cz W Jojo. I know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people have come out of that gone through it.

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<v Speaker 1>The MJ have a lot of people wrestled for cz W.

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<v Speaker 1>I know he was a big part of that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing and I'm just I'm throwing this out there because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe this is obviously they want Harland

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<v Speaker 1>with Joe Gacy to try to learn something. Maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>is a good thing for ron Breaker. Again I am

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<v Speaker 1>not but Walter I know, And that's to me, braun

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<v Speaker 1>Breaker working with Eichner and being involved in it with

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<v Speaker 1>having some friends go after that whole group, to me

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<v Speaker 1>would be better for braun Breaker. But maybe again this

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<v Speaker 1>won't be the end of the world. But they the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is it's just the gay Cy character and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, to the n x T crowd, is it over.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's some of the metrics on some of

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that WW is doing and doubling down on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you see in some cases it's worked, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony D'Angelo people took to you know, and he's been

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<v Speaker 1>able to kind of hold up to his end of

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<v Speaker 1>the own in the Chomp if you'd we've had braun Breaker,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had some successes there, but we've had some things

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<v Speaker 1>that they have obviously done they keep they keep doubling

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<v Speaker 1>and tripling down on that I don't think are very

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<v Speaker 1>good at all. And again I don't know. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of up in the air. On this because I

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<v Speaker 1>know at the end, braun Breaker should be standing Vic Toorious,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure he'll do it, and I'm sure he'll

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<v Speaker 1>do something impressive to Harland to throw him. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just kind of hoping against hope here because I

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<v Speaker 1>really don't know about Gaycy and the character and whether

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<v Speaker 1>this people are gonna care when the match is actually

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<v Speaker 1>taking place. No, but maybe they have to maybe have

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<v Speaker 1>to train him to do sports entertainment storylines, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he's got to have this feud before he can go

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<v Speaker 1>up to the main roster. It's so silly because that's

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<v Speaker 1>where he should be. I just don't understand why you

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<v Speaker 1>don't make that move. He's lost it off already and

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<v Speaker 1>you just bring him up there as a surprise and

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<v Speaker 1>he starts throwing people, whether it be on Raw or

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<v Speaker 1>whether it be on SmackDown, especially with some of the

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<v Speaker 1>moves that they've made. It still again, it's a continuation

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<v Speaker 1>from yesterday. I just don't understand why he's there to

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<v Speaker 1>do that when he could work with so many people

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<v Speaker 1>on the main roster go over them and and and

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<v Speaker 1>they could build that. But who am I after WrestleMania

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<v Speaker 1>largest audience for the show since January of one, which

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, was a special Legends Night episode, So

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<v Speaker 1>if you go back, I guess uh nine have to

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<v Speaker 1>rustle me is special. Best eighteen and forty nine numbers

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<v Speaker 1>since the start of one football season two point one

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<v Speaker 1>zero million viewers. Point six three at eighteen and forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine numbers far more impressive when you consider the show

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<v Speaker 1>winning against It could be one of its toughest nights

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<v Speaker 1>of the year for competition with the n C Double

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<v Speaker 1>A Men's championship game going head to head with the

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<v Speaker 1>second half of RAW sled Our one being the highest

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<v Speaker 1>rated when of late it has been Our to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>point three percent drop our one to three, which is

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<v Speaker 1>usually the sign of a bad show, but in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a sign of a basketball game. The North Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas game, which aired on TBS, TNT and True TV

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen point oh five million viewers and are you ready

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<v Speaker 1>for this Row did a point six three in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>and forty nine, which is stupendous for Raw. So to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>point six three. This North Carolina Kansas game did a

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<v Speaker 1>four point seven two in eighteen to forty nine, A

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<v Speaker 1>four point seven two in eighteen to forty nine, all

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<v Speaker 1>le two traditional powerhouse teams realized the listen, listen, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you guys get it. Raw okay is normally

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<v Speaker 1>in the top ten, and sometimes it's in the top five,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes it's like one, two three okay. It rarely

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<v Speaker 1>comes near a point six three. This game did a four,

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<v Speaker 1>not a point four, did a four point seven two

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<v Speaker 1>and eighteen and forty nine. So the raw number is

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<v Speaker 1>even Morris down. It's more stupendous when you think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>To point three two million viewers first hour, to point

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<v Speaker 1>one one million second hour, and one point eight seven

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<v Speaker 1>million in the third hour, so very very good numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>So TBS and CBS, CBS and Turner Sports have this deal.

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<v Speaker 1>They extended it out I believe here through twenty thirty two.

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<v Speaker 1>The eight additional years of the contract when they signed

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<v Speaker 1>this thing a couple of years ago, are worth eight

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<v Speaker 1>point eight billion dollars, nearly matching the value of the

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<v Speaker 1>original fourteen year deal, which was ten point eight million

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<v Speaker 1>billion signed in two thousand and ten. It is amazing

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<v Speaker 1>what live sports will do, and hey, wrestling has the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to continue to piggyback off of that. So it's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's absolutely amazing, absolutely amazing those numbers that are thrown there.

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<v Speaker 1>This person says, normal folks don't watch this trash wrestling product.

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<v Speaker 1>You realize it. Raw and Dynamite do very, very well

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<v Speaker 1>in the top fifty. So all those numbers I gave

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<v Speaker 1>you about four point seven to compared to most every

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<v Speaker 1>other show on television comes nowhere near a point six

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<v Speaker 1>three either, So nobody's watching nothing compared to this basketball game.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got Dynamite tonight, Samo Joe Max Castor Men's

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<v Speaker 1>Tournament qualifier, Karasheeda Julia Hart Women's Tournament qualifier. Given this

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<v Speaker 1>is a multi week tournament leading to the end of May,

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<v Speaker 1>so multi month, why do we have qualifiers for the tournament?

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't just have one more round of brackets? But

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<v Speaker 1>anyway we can, we can push storylines. We're debuting Samoa

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<v Speaker 1>Joe and we gotta figure out how brooding Julia Hart

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<v Speaker 1>is in this match. And I'm col Christian Cage Tables

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<v Speaker 1>match Hardy's versus Butcher and Blade FTR versus the Young

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<v Speaker 1>Bucks for the r O H Tag Team Titch Ampionships

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<v Speaker 1>and the Triple A Tag Team Championships. So don't miss

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<v Speaker 1>that one. Eddie Kingston, Santana and Ortiz will all be appearing.

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<v Speaker 1>And Tony Kahn, whoa Tony Khan, on his Busted Open

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<v Speaker 1>radio appearance on Wednesday, made a point to say that

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<v Speaker 1>he is quote going back to his ruthless roots when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the line up for Friday, and it

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<v Speaker 1>will be a stacked up show. So obviously a Rampage

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<v Speaker 1>has not been doing great on Friday Night to say

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<v Speaker 1>the least. And uh, you know, he's gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>do that more, and I think they probably should. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>Friday is the day that they're on. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>move to a new day. It's hard to move to

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<v Speaker 1>a new time and really be able to scratch something out.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently you know, TBS and T and T are

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<v Speaker 1>happy where it's at. But it has become the show

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<v Speaker 1>for rustling fans that if you're gonna miss something from

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<v Speaker 1>a w yeah you're gonna miss that over Dynamite. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just the way it goes. But when you have the

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<v Speaker 1>NHL Playoffs, when you have the n c A tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>where you have all of these things that are playing

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<v Speaker 1>with you, it may just be you really have to

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<v Speaker 1>EBB and flow that show kind of around these big events,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have that stacked show after three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>of not getting any attention at all, and you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward at baseball coming up and all the other things

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<v Speaker 1>that are on those properties. It's like, man, you really

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<v Speaker 1>are going to have to dance around this because I

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<v Speaker 1>again we've talked about the day, it's I'm moving off

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<v Speaker 1>of that day. The best thing I think they can

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<v Speaker 1>do is probably replay in other places like True TV,

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<v Speaker 1>L places like that. If you can spread a w

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<v Speaker 1>programming out all across the Turner networks, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>would be great. But this is the only thing I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can do is try to promote strategically around

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, and you better hope it hits. Gunter was

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<v Speaker 1>asked by Wrestling Inc. What he's been doing to get

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<v Speaker 1>in shape. I guess eat less, Gunter s D. I

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<v Speaker 1>always worked out a lot, but I would say for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I have really focused on nutrition. These

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<v Speaker 1>two guys, Marcel Bartel and Phoebe and I Canner really

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<v Speaker 1>pushed me. They're shredded. I've got to say, when I

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<v Speaker 1>was a wrestling fan, I always liked the look of

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<v Speaker 1>these solid heavyweights in Japan who had a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a gut carrying around just brawlers and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>do go with the times and evolve a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what he did. So for those of you

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<v Speaker 1>that are too heavy trying to lose some weight, Gunther

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<v Speaker 1>has advice for you eat less, which actually is part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Yes, you know, I was. I hate to

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<v Speaker 1>digress and everything like that, but I always eat well,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know I was. I was doing the

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<v Speaker 1>old I can't say it was keto, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty low carb and uh and one day I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm almost I'm almost. Actually was because

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to Hawaii, and so I decided, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm not only gonna eat like this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna calorie count. I'm gonna cut my

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<v Speaker 1>calories a little bit. And uh, I just disappeared. I

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<v Speaker 1>got that A one thirty three. I got so skinny

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought I could have a disease of some sort.

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<v Speaker 1>So I started eating again last couple of days and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back up to win forty. So I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I have a disease. But anyway, the point is, if

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<v Speaker 1>you eat less, you'll weigh less. It's my advice today,

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<v Speaker 1>me an old vaulter, we're eating less together, exercise, eat

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<v Speaker 1>the right things, you know, and Walter Stole a young

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<v Speaker 1>guy doing it's, you know, it's a good time to

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<v Speaker 1>make a lifestyle change. He's you know, I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>with like thirty five, but you know, he's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of wrestling time. Things like that. And I know there's

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<v Speaker 1>people that will wait, look at Vince, Look at Vince.

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<v Speaker 1>It's seventy six. But it's hard to carry around that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of way as you get older. Sure is back

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<v Speaker 1>at them over with Big Demobserver Live. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>me that's something that I won't try, but imagine back

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<v Speaker 1>of the show. Bright Over is here Wrestling Observer Live

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<v Speaker 1>mixmber BV also a wrestling observer at dot com. Very

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<v Speaker 1>happy today to be joined by Big Demo here. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got a big weekend coming up. How you doing great?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, we just gotta we just gotta problem with

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<v Speaker 1>the connection. Try that again. How you doing? I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>very well? Thank you, promise not to square. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how you feeling after this weekend? You know you had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of matches down there in Dallas. How did

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<v Speaker 1>Russell mean you week treat you? And h how did

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<v Speaker 1>Calvin Tankman treat you? A muster of a man to

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<v Speaker 1>go head up with? It was? It was an incredible,

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<v Speaker 1>incredible experience on the other side of the rest of me.

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<v Speaker 1>New weekend and we're wrestling at eleven am and then

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<v Speaker 1>two am at the same day, was sir, something new

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<v Speaker 1>my random speaking like multiple times per day. But Calvin

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<v Speaker 1>Tangmin was a lot of fun to to wrastle that

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<v Speaker 1>incredible talent and hopefully we can wrestle again. Maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>seven ran o'clock at night might be a bit uh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you do how this is a heck of

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<v Speaker 1>a of a thing here because you had Calvin Tankman,

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<v Speaker 1>but then on the other side you had war Horse,

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<v Speaker 1>so certainly a diverse certainly diverse body types to work against.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that like on these weekends where and I

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<v Speaker 1>know you've been in ww for a while, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on these weekends where you're facing multiple people all of

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<v Speaker 1>different sizes and styles, does it does it wear on

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit? Does it make it tough on

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<v Speaker 1>you at all? Honestly, that's what it's all about for me,

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 1>because you're getting to tell different stories with different people.

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 1>And like I thought was just to wrastle Calvin Calvin

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.199
<v Speaker 1>tankmin like twelve times over two weeks. For like, it

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.160
<v Speaker 1>was like too the police schedule. Then it would get

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 1>very old, very fun, and then it's a lot more

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.960
<v Speaker 1>fun when you're against somebody completely new twelve hours later.

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 1>And for me, obviously having to get ready and get

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 1>get pumped for one o'clock two o'clock in the morning

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 1>was new, and it was absolutely incredible experience for me

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 1>because everybody, Uh, if you've Matt Moore Horse, so you've

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 1>wrastled four Horse, you've seen him wrastling, you know that

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 1>either a little crazy and it's hard not to get

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>excited when he's running around like a first you know.

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I I gotta ask this question because I've been a

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:34.160
<v Speaker 1>fan forever and you have as well, and all of us.

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 1>And I'm a small guy myself, and sometimes I I

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:43.159
<v Speaker 1>watch there's two different kinds of matches involved big guys. Okay,

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 1>there's either the two giants that face off against each

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>other and it's just two giant dudes pounding on each other.

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Or there's the opposite, which is the giant guy and

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 1>the really small guy, and the giant guy just kills

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the really small guy. And every time I see either

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>one of these matches, I can't decide which one I

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>actually like a better, because you know there's you know,

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:08.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't I'm a small guy at all. But it

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:10.199
<v Speaker 1>will never get old seeing some big dude kill some

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:12.920
<v Speaker 1>small guy. But at the same time, it will never

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 1>get old to see two big dudes get in there

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.440
<v Speaker 1>and just pound on each other. So, as a big

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 1>dude who has done both of these styles of matches,

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>which do you prefer another big dude or killing that

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.679
<v Speaker 1>little dude? It's hard not to always enjoy the David

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>versus Goliath story because it's still obvious that it's in

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 1>your face. But like for me, it's always going to

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>like if the other person has any sort of skill,

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>if they're a technician or a flyer, or if they're

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>a fellow bag monic can go, then that's all you want,

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Like you want to see if somebody who's who's got

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 1>something about them, and if you're against the fellow move

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:51.239
<v Speaker 1>and they have a little bit about them, because if

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>they're slower than me. That it's not going to be

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I want to be the slow one. Yes. Now, now

0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 1>what are your what are your your stats? Uh? You

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>can do either legitimate or pro wrestling stats, but in

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 1>general your height and weight. So you mean when you

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>say legitimate, you mean that's that's always because I mean

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>obviously the sure I'm six two on, I'm twenty two

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>stones and two stones something like that. I think I

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>think I got my stones wrong because I don't think

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>you're four hundred pounds. Okay, thank you. Three people believe

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>that's true. So the reason I ask is because there

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 1>is a there is a big match coming up this

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>weekend Vermont in Hollywood. It is you and Tomohiro? Is

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 1>she okay? Now? A lot of people that have seen

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 1>on television but have not seen him live. He looks like,

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, god Zilly looks like a giant, but in

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>reality he's not. He's he's like five five. So when

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>you see the poster of you and Ishi together, it

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 1>looks like it's going to be the battle of the

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>two giants, but really he only carries himself like a giant.

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 1>He's not really a giant, but he certainly works like

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>a giant, and I know that this is a very

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>important match for you, and it was a very important

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 1>match for you a few years ago. Tell us about

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 1>his she Honestly, I think like I was the same

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>as yourself when I first, like I was watching him

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>on you know, YouTube or whatever else, when I was

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to get as many as much as I could,

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and I remember thinking, oh, this this guy, this guy

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>must be must be massive whatever. But it turns out

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 1>he's just got massive heart and he can actually throw

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.719
<v Speaker 1>anybody around. Because when I caught up next to him

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and that, yes, I'm much bigger than him. But the

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>problem is, you know, his job to put me down,

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>and he's certain to give it his best. But you know,

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>a few years ago when we wrestled, it was awesome

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 1>because he doesn't have great English and I've got literally

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 1>no Japanese. So for us to go in there and

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 1>just just get out each other, it was honestly one

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 1>of the best experiences of my career up to that point,

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 1>because I was literally getting there working with somebody was

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 1>so much experience. You know, he's been in there with

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>literally the best there's ever been um and you know,

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm learning how he moved. How does this thing? And

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing my very best to cooperative or or the

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>uncoperative depending on what it is. And honestly it was

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 1>it was so much fun, not much you know how

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>launched me and change my my past at the time

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 1>in funny fifteen. So it's great to meet him against

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>seven years later, with what I've learned, and I'm looking

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>forward to skinning him alife all over again. How much

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of a influence was Japanese wrestling on you? Because I

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>know over and in the UK and in in Ireland

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and Scotland and everything, w E has been such a

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>massive presence. But you started breaking into the business in

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>mid two thousands, correct, when dragon Gate and Noah and

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>London started to draw a lot more. What was Japan

0:30:55.600 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>always a goal for you? Were you a heavily I

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 1>think like as the world gets smaller, with you know,

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>with the Internet helping a lot, like we used to

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, trade tips back in the day, like is

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>that a copyright issue if you ever use lime wire?

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>And then as the Internet like brought everything closer, you know,

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>suddenly we were able to watch everything. And then in

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>the UK we actually had the Rattling Channel which meant,

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, for the first time, I was getting exposed to,

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>like to know and everything. So suddenly I'm getting like

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Massawa's almost entire career, I'm getting Kabashi. You know what

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. Kanta's right, and you know, it's just so

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>like shak Yama is one of my favorites. I love Syama,

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>like him over the bitting up on times, see a

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of his matches later on. You know, I got

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to go by and see what he knew with the

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>life of Joan whatever else. So you know, I'm influenced

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>personally by British Wrastler. Obviously American rest you shoot, you

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 1>know correser All in Print of the Problems, So the

0:31:56.600 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>likes of Roberts's there's a massive influences for me as

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>a worker. But like Japanese rastural, I think that, you know,

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>we kind of adopted Japanese restling a little bit into

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>our own culture. And absolutely in American resting over the

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 1>last ten, ten fifteen years, you can see it like

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Planners Day Night and any I need to show you

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 1>watch now everybody has there's there's kind of this little

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 1>element of of what we've picked up from there and

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 1>honestly for me personally, like you know, the two thousands,

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>but was you know, the late the late nineties, you know,

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>because the find you know, you kind of started to

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>learn what New Chapan was through through that way, I'm

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>with their cooperation. And then later on, you know, with

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the Internet, I was able to de find out more

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>about like New Japan, all Japan, Noah, even ziraj Wana.

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Like I really end the zero one. I actually worked

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>and with Deer one with the company that I helped

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I held work in Britain, And so you know that

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 1>there's just all these amazing talents over the years who

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 1>have been very blessed to be able to spend time

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>with the raster with and such such not and that

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>it's hard not to be influenced by. Like end up

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 1>on an airport roundably with Hoddie Kingston. We're sitting watching

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the Best of Kawana. You just kind of what happened?

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, what a what a time of the airport?

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>That is I just everybody else see these two large

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 1>fan hunkered over this small phone. Yeah, watching some dude

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 1>drop another dude on his head. Now, what about what

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>about the Ultimate Warrior? Well, I mean, you know I'm

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>sure when I was a kid today, when I was,

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, five years old, but still was staying you know, yeah, yeah,

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>but badly as I got a little older, it became

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>less by Warrior and borri by guys. I don't know

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 1>if I would say sadly, I would say that you

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>made the right choice to not model your career and

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>your work after The Ultimate Warrior. I don't know, like,

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>let's not think that there's a thing about this him.

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>These days, everybody seems to be into it. You know,

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe I would maybe it's being better ship that was

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>a bigger Warrior fan. Who knows, well, hey, there there

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 1>is that as well. There is that as well. Now

0:33:55.280 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I like the bald head. What happened time time? Well, yeah,

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 1>that does happen. In fact, we got a picture of

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.719
<v Speaker 1>you on the show here with hair, So it's a

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 1>little jarring to see the that that lovely mane of

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:14.439
<v Speaker 1>hair that you once had. But I like the bald head. Look,

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 1>thank you, I really pretty star. I think you know,

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>it was for me personally. It's like I wanted to

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.319
<v Speaker 1>see in my head for the two years because I

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 1>think I see I go all the way back to

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:26.320
<v Speaker 1>board games and That's when I first realized, okay, I'm

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe I could have been ten on top there and

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>never realized it was not bad, but okay. And then

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:32.719
<v Speaker 1>as the you know that the lighting gets better, the

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>comeras get better, it's suddenly a bit more obvious to me.

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>And I remember I actually pitched before I went up

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the smack and I pitched, listening, can we maybe do

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>something word you know, she have in my head or whatever?

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>And they were like, oh, we could maybe have like

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Lars Sullivan, like, you know, shave your head balls whatever.

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:51.760
<v Speaker 1>It never really came to fruition, and you know, fast

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 1>forward a couple of years and when finally, uh, when

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 1>finally it was time. It was posted later and I

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, I'm gonna gonna go for it now

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>because it's the only thing I could focus on. I

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>couldn't I don't really like watching myself wrestle anyway, I

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of forced myself out, but the only thing I

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 1>could focus on was the dome. Now, now you're obviously working,

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:20.399
<v Speaker 1>are you what what is your new Japan enough? You've

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:22.879
<v Speaker 1>been watching a flotime Jepanes wrestling for a long time

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>and you've you've worked with the she Evil, and you've

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>got him this weekend. But I mean, there's a lot

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>of great guys not only are in New Japan, but

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>New Japan is working with so many places that like,

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a million potential opponents for you. Do you have

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:39.799
<v Speaker 1>certain dream opponents where's like, oh my god, now I

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>might actually have a chance to work with Tadashi or

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Okada or whoever. It's going to be absolutely Listen, like

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd be a school of it and say Okada would

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>be number one on any list that I'd ever have.

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>I got very lucky. I got the wrestle Town of hash,

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 1>I got the wrestle Markaba and she with Red Broke.

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>But honestly, I'm looking at Okada, I'm looking at well Offspring,

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>looking at Shingle. These are the guys I want to

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:03.279
<v Speaker 1>get in there. What if I want to I want

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 1>to be in front of the stellations of people in Japan.

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to prove that on every but as

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 1>good as them. And that's not the thing. It made

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:12.359
<v Speaker 1>it's hard not to watch these guys who think these

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 1>are literally the best in the world right now, and

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I need to get to that level. Now, you know

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 1>you you spend a lot of time in in w

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 1>w E, and and I don't know why it is.

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 1>I think because w E has always been so isolationist

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that you just sort of have this idea that, well,

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 1>if you're working for w w you're not actually watching

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.799
<v Speaker 1>any of the wrestling, which of course is ridiculous. But

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, what did you were you keeping? You know,

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>during the time that you were there, were you watching

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 1>all of the major New Japan shows and and you know,

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>obviously a w eventually got started as well, But I mean,

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:48.359
<v Speaker 1>what were you watching during that period? Well, the best

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 1>part was on Worlds came up, one of the first

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>to sign up. Yeah, so I M and man, obviously,

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>like it's hard not to watch everything because I think

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the things for me, you know, the because

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you're around wrestling so much, it literally becomes your your everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was doing my best not to watch

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<v Speaker 1>wrong Smack then, and I was trying to watch everything

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<v Speaker 1>else because he wanted to try and be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>inspired by what was going on in the world. And

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<v Speaker 1>for me, persons so many friends like all across the world,

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<v Speaker 1>so like I'm trying to keep up with the likes

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<v Speaker 1>of Ice Double progress red of pro as well as

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<v Speaker 1>trying to watch everything across the pond. You're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>watch what's going on in the Independence? Are you trying

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<v Speaker 1>to watch what's happening with a W I always tune

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<v Speaker 1>in to see like which of my friends are on

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<v Speaker 1>Impact or whatever else? And then boom you see that

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<v Speaker 1>New Japan's creating New jpath Strong. So you're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to figure out what's happened in there. Um

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like the beauty is in this situation where

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<v Speaker 1>there's just so much available to this whereas years agoing

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<v Speaker 1>I as a kid, like you had nothing available to you,

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<v Speaker 1>so you literally had to do your best, try and

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<v Speaker 1>wear your way to get stuff not there for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're not watching it, you're an idiot. Well

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<v Speaker 1>all that thought back in them on with more Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>Observer Live back in the show. Bran Albert is here

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling Observer Live. Mike'sburviv also wrestling Observer dot Com. Big

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<v Speaker 1>Demo joining us here. He's got a big show coming

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<v Speaker 1>up on Sunday, New Japan in Hollywood. It's uh Demo

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<v Speaker 1>and is she in a Battle for the Ages? And Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta get some plugs in here, Demo, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>we can get you back on the show again, because

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<v Speaker 1>all we did the break was talking rassling. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to talk about. Absolutely, we didn't even get a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to cover off Eric Young. We'll be here all day.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean we we talked during the break

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<v Speaker 1>about Eric Young. For those of you that don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Young is is pretty much the greatest, whether you

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<v Speaker 1>know it or not, he actually is. So we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that, but let's get some let's get some plugs in.

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<v Speaker 1>What you got for Twitter and everything like that Pro

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling tease so obsolutely everything is is Demo Markel. You

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<v Speaker 1>can get me on Twitter, Instagram, Pro Wrestling teas. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Demo Macho all one word add Demo Macael D m

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<v Speaker 1>O m A c k l E and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>has noted there's uh everything you need to know is

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<v Speaker 1>up there. There's uh links to upcoming shows, there's links

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<v Speaker 1>to the Pro Wrestling tease. I see, we've got three

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<v Speaker 1>new shirts out here, Celtic Chaos Beast and Big Demo's

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<v Speaker 1>Irish Red. You can check all of those out at

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Wrestling Tease. And has noted this Sunday New Japan

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<v Speaker 1>Mutiny at the Vermont Hollywood coming up Sunday. You can

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<v Speaker 1>get your tickets now. Big Damon's gonna be facing Tomo

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<v Speaker 1>hero she E a bunch of other matches as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think her own Filthy Tom's gonna be there. Lots

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<v Speaker 1>of great stuff, So Damon, I want to wish you

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<v Speaker 1>the best of luck with New Japan. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for doing the show in the studio in sometime.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks very much, Thanks for helping me, and I'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you guys very soon. That's a luck with show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much, and of course thanks everybody for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>We got news breaking everybody. Nash Carter has been fired.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll have more Wrestling Observer dot com and some other

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<v Speaker 1>stories breaking today as well. So that's it. We gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go though, talk to you next time Wrestling Observer Live.

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