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Speaker 1: Welcome in as Verdict with Center Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson

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Speaker 1: with you and Senator You're in Washington, d C. With

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Speaker 1: a very special guest on a very important piece of legislation.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those shows.

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Speaker 1: That we are promised we're going to get to the

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Speaker 1: around We will talk about that in future shows, but

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Speaker 1: there is an extremely important piece of legislation that you

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Speaker 1: countless people that listen to show that may know victims,

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Speaker 1: and this is a show I hope you will hit pause,

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Speaker 1: you will share it on social media because it is

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Speaker 1: an important law that we're talking about right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: And this is a special show because we're talking today

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Speaker 4: about child sexual abuse and it is an epidemic across

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Speaker 4: And we're going to talk about legislation that I introduce

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Speaker 4: today in the Senate to empower the victims of sexual abuse.

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Speaker 4: And and a very special guest that is adjoining us

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Speaker 4: today and you're going to get a chance to hear

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Speaker 4: about her journey and tragically her brother's journey as a

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Speaker 4: victim of sexual abuse.

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Speaker 1: I want to be clear for everybody that's gonna hear

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Speaker 1: the show, it's on YouTube, it's on Facebook. I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll share it and just take the time because there

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Speaker 1: are people that are out there that need to hear

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Speaker 1: those important shows where you don't know whose life you're

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Speaker 1: going to be able to help and affect in a

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Speaker 1: positive way, whose life literally could be saved because of

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Speaker 1: this show and the information that they're going to hear.

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Speaker 1: And this legislation center that you introduced today in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. Is incredible. And your guest who's with you

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Speaker 1: in DC as well, it's amazing the story that she

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Speaker 1: stand up for so many others that need help.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 4: This week I introduced legislation in the Senate called Trey's Law,

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Speaker 4: and it is designed to protect kids, kids who tragically

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Speaker 4: are the victims of sexual assault. And Trey's Law prohibits

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Speaker 4: non disclosure agreements binding children who have been victims of

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Speaker 4: sexual assault and this is a problem we are seeing nationwide,

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Speaker 4: a staggering statistic. A child in America is sexually abused

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Speaker 4: every nine minutes. Yeah, one in four girls in America

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Speaker 4: again when their violators are held accountable, when they're prosecuted,

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Speaker 4: a routine for the violators to insist upon a non

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Speaker 4: and forces them to be silent. And Trey's Law is

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Speaker 4: named for a Texan, Trey Carlock, who horrifically was abused

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Speaker 4: at a summer camp in Missouri, abused over a number

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Speaker 4: much so that at twenty eight years old, he took

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Speaker 4: And we have a guest on the podcast tonight who's

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Speaker 4: She lives in Dallas and she has devoted thousands of

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Speaker 3: But today, with with a group of.

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Speaker 4: But I want to start Elizabeth, Welcome to VERDIC. We're

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for not just the introduction of

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Speaker 5: this platform as well. And I agree, I hope it

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Speaker 5: goes viral. Every parent needs to understand how this system works,

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Speaker 5: because I think there are a lot of assumptions that

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Speaker 5: if your child is sexually abused, whether it be at

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Speaker 5: to come forward immediately. But there's something called delayed disclosure.

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Speaker 5: Children that are victimized in this way don't come forward

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Speaker 5: oftentimes for decades, if ever at all, and we need

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so thank you for the conversation.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for being here. Let me ask you,

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Speaker 4: could you just tell your brother's story to just share

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and thank you for going into some of that

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Speaker 5: data about child sexual abuse and ways to prevent it

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Speaker 5: all day long, but it's really hard for me to

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Speaker 3: Relate on that. That's not not a club anyone wants.

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Speaker 6: To be a member exactly.

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Speaker 5: But I think also we understand that you can grieve

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Speaker 5: since that was passed and put into effect in Missouri

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Speaker 5: last August. And so that's what we're wanting to expand nationally.

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Speaker 5: This journey for me began because my brother died by

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Speaker 5: suicide when he was twenty eight, not only due to

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Speaker 5: the child sexual abuse and what we now believe to

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Speaker 5: be trafficking at the hand of Cannonicut Camps based in

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Speaker 5: southwest Missouri. They had international mission trips. They were moving

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Speaker 5: criminal case landed in Taney County, Missouri and the sheriff's department,

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Speaker 5: and at the time of my brother's perpetrator sentencing, there

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Speaker 5: facts about Cannicut dot com with other survivor families to

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Speaker 5: public that this is much more widespread than what had

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Speaker 5: that's what we're addressing with Trey's Law that's now been

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Speaker 5: introduced to Congress, very bipartisan. You said, you know, no

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Speaker 5: I mean it's something everyone should get behind and hopefully

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Speaker 5: groomed and then abused by a camp director. So seven

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Speaker 3: So he was seven when he started going to the camp.

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Speaker 5: When he started going to the camp, and that's when

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Speaker 5: the grooming began, and then the sexual abuse began, and

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Speaker 5: then his perpetrator, who, like you said, is now in

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Speaker 5: lawsuit by the age of twenty three. And just imagine,

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Speaker 5: quote unquote ministry like Cannacouc that has between thirty five

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Speaker 5: You're just trying to get through college and start a job,

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Speaker 5: build a life. And if someone puts a settlement agreement

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Speaker 5: have restitution and some you know, some money for your healing,

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Speaker 1: And I say that because I have friends that worked

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Speaker 1: also know people that were abused at Kennacock. And this

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Speaker 1: story when I saw we were doing it. It's it's

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Speaker 1: I've lost friends who've committed suicide because of sexual abuse.

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Speaker 1: But Cannicuck is a place where I went to Ole,

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Speaker 1: from Houston, they went to Cannacock And the cover up

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Speaker 1: word that you use there is I think one of

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Speaker 1: the most sad parts about all this is there was

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Speaker 1: like how much this was going to just bring up

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Speaker 1: in me. But when you know people that were abused

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Speaker 1: there and you've set with them and you hear how

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Speaker 1: the system did not protect them, but I actually think

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Speaker 1: made them a victim a second time over by the

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Speaker 1: way that they use these NDA's, It is infuriating because

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Speaker 1: you realize that, like everything in this situation worked against

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Speaker 5: And that's what in the Texas hearings, I was calling

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Speaker 5: this institutional abuse on top of child sexual abuse. So

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Speaker 5: you're exactly right. And yes, Memphis is a huge market

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Speaker 5: for cannonic Cook and Kids of Court America, which is

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Speaker 5: another ministry and outside of Branson that Joe White still

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Speaker 5: runs to this day, There's been no change in leadership.

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Speaker 5: No one's been held accountable because of these crimes. And

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Speaker 5: so you were asking about my story and how we

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Speaker 5: got to this point, and really it was because I

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Speaker 5: learned more about my brother's trauma and his death than

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Speaker 5: until Treys Law went into effect in Texas September of

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Speaker 5: So we've done that job for them. So facts about

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Speaker 4: So one of the things you described, we did a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So, you know, one of the questions as we

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Speaker 6: And you know that therapist.

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Speaker 5: After his death, I started doing my own investigation to

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Speaker 5: But in this case, there's been a misuse of ndias,

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Speaker 5: misused to silence victims of childhood sexual abuse, trafficking, even

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Speaker 4: One of the things you talked about at the press

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Speaker 4: will get this passed, thank you. When this passes, that

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Speaker 4: And so you can't agree in a settlement to do

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Speaker 4: Likewise, and importantly, we drafted trays law so that a

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Speaker 1: That you're protecting the victim in the way you're writing this,

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Speaker 1: I want people to understand that it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: what we talked about with we want to protect victims.

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Speaker 1: For example, when we're exposing everything with Epstein Foules, it's

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Speaker 1: the same mentality here. If you don't want your name

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Speaker 1: out there, we want to protect it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: That's the heart of Trey's Law is giving survivors ownership

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Speaker 5: of their own stories, yes, so that they can decide

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Speaker 5: what they want told about what happened to them. The

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Speaker 5: trauma alone is enough abuse. We don't need to pile

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Speaker 5: that on. And you bring up a good point, Senator,

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Speaker 5: around the incentives and the incentives being misaligned, because this

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Speaker 5: type of case falls under personal injury law. And so

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Speaker 5: you've been to law school and in that area of

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Speaker 5: the law, it's typically your attorneys who are taking auto

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Speaker 5: accident cases or slip and falls. Child sexual abuse is

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Speaker 5: of fear, it's in it. I like that it's a

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Speaker 5: personal injury claim because it is an injury to the brain,

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Speaker 5: to the soul, and so it should be a personal

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Speaker 5: injury claim. But the way personal injury law works is

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Speaker 5: that you are looking to settle, keep this from going.

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Speaker 5: I mean, over ninety six percent of cases I think

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Speaker 5: settle outside of trial when it comes to personal injury.

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Speaker 5: And so you know the victim doesn't want to have

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Speaker 5: to go to trial and put themselves through more trauma.

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Speaker 5: Their incentivized to settle, and a lawyer says, this can

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Speaker 5: all be behind you if you sign on the dotted

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Speaker 5: line and then they can take forty percent, which is

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Speaker 5: the typical commission on a case like this, move on

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Speaker 5: to the next once and repeat, And that doesn't work

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Speaker 5: when we're talking about childhood sexual abuse.

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Speaker 3: Well, and the U. S.

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court has described They've said, other than murder, rape

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Speaker 4: is the most grievous harm that could be inflicted to

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Speaker 4: a person. And I've spent a lot of my career

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Speaker 4: fighting against child sexual abuse. So when I was the

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Speaker 4: Solicitor General of Texas, I argued in front of the U. S.

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court defending Louisiana's law that provided for capital punishment,

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Speaker 4: the death penalty for the most egregious child rapist. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court five to four struck that down, so

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Speaker 4: we did not prevail in that case.

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Speaker 3: Texas's law was also struck down. When Louisiana's law was struck.

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Speaker 4: Down, I also defended Texas has a Texas Sexually Violent

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Speaker 4: Predator Civil Commitment law that gives the courts the ability

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Speaker 4: to take a sexually violent predator and put them in

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Speaker 4: civil commitment, take them off the streets to protect people.

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Speaker 4: And a state court of appeals had struck that law

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Speaker 4: down and concluded it was unconstitutional, and I argued the

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Speaker 4: case in front of the Texas Supreme Court defending that law,

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Speaker 4: and we won unanimously. The law was reinstated, and it's

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Speaker 4: now a tool that you have to go after sexual predators.

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Speaker 4: And you know we mentioned before, so this bill, my

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Speaker 4: lead co sponsor is Kirsten Gillibrand, Democrat from New York.

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Speaker 4: And then we have on this bill as well, we

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Speaker 4: have Katie Britt Republican from Alabama's a dear friend. We

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Speaker 4: have Eric Schmidt, Republican from Missouri, another very good friend.

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Speaker 4: And then we also have Amy Klobuchar, Democrat from Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: We have Peter Welch, Democrat from Vermont, and then Jeane Shaheen,

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Speaker 4: a Democrat from New Hampshire. And I think we will

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Speaker 4: get very widespread bipartisan support. To be honest, those six

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Speaker 4: are the only six I asked. I started with them.

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Speaker 4: I've worked all of them. I've worked with on previous legislation.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I'll tell you Jelibrendon and I started

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Speaker 4: working on this issue more than a decade ago because

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Speaker 4: she was a leader in going after sexual assault in

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Speaker 4: the military. And there's been a real problem with sexual

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Speaker 4: assault in the military, and the way it used to

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Speaker 4: work is the decision about whether to prosecute a rapist

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Speaker 4: was made by the commander, and the commander frequently knew

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Speaker 4: the violator, often was close to the violator, and victims

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Speaker 4: of sexual assault in the military were afraid to report

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Speaker 4: the rapes because they didn't believe the commander would be fair.

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Speaker 4: They believed the commander would be biased in favor of

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Speaker 4: the violator. And so Jelibrandon, this is back twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 4: when I was a brand new baby senator had just

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Speaker 4: been elected. Kirsten was leading the charge saying, this doesn't

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Speaker 4: make any sense, and the decision of whether to prosecute

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Speaker 4: should not be made by the commanding officer, but rather

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Speaker 4: should be made by a career military prosecutor. So in

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Speaker 4: the military, but not in the chain of command, so

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Speaker 4: not connected to the to the alleged violator. And I

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Speaker 4: will tell you the Pentagon fought tooth and nail. They

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Speaker 4: hated that provision, and I was on the Senate Armed

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Speaker 4: Services Committee with Kirsten at the time, and I heard

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Speaker 4: her make the argument, make the argument passionately for changing

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Speaker 4: the prosecutor prosecuting decision to a career prosecutor. And it

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Speaker 4: was one of those instances where sometimes you say hearings,

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Speaker 4: don't you know our our kind of performance, They don't

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Speaker 4: necessarily change anyone's mind. Well, I listened to her arguments

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Speaker 4: and I was persuaded, and I went up to her

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Speaker 4: and I said, Kirsten, I want to team up with

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Speaker 4: you and let's get this done.

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Speaker 3: And we did.

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Speaker 4: It took nearly a decade to get it done because

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Speaker 4: the Barack Obama wouldn't do it. By the way Obama

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Speaker 4: was president, he could have done it unilaterally, and he

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Speaker 4: wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And it took We ultimately got the legislation passed, but

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Speaker 4: it was it was a decade long battle. And this

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Speaker 4: is one I'm confident will be faster. I don't think

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Speaker 4: this will take a decade to make happen. You know,

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Speaker 4: you mentioned at the press conference also that we had

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Speaker 4: another victim of sexual abuse share her story. Her name

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Speaker 4: is Jaden Harris, and I want to play what she

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Speaker 4: said at the press conference because this was.

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Speaker 3: Really powerful and moving.

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Speaker 4: She was sharing about about the sexual violence she experienced

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Speaker 4: and give a listen, give a watch.

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Speaker 7: Good morning. First, I want to thank these co sponsors

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Speaker 7: for their leadership in filing Tree's law at the federal level.

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Speaker 7: My name is Jaden Harris, nineteen years old, and I'm

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Speaker 7: here today not just as a child sexual abuse survivor

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Speaker 7: from Branson, Missouri, but as someone whose voice was protected

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Speaker 7: by Drew's law. It's why you can be here today.

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Speaker 7: When I came forward about the abuse I experienced, I

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Speaker 7: was prepared for it to be difficult. What I wasn't

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Speaker 7: prepared for was the intimidation not only for my abuser,

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Speaker 7: but for my own lawyer to sign a non disclosure

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Speaker 7: agreement in exchange for restitution during a mediation process. I

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Speaker 7: was alone when it came to fighting.

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Speaker 6: For my voice.

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Speaker 7: It was both my abuser and my lawyer that tried

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Speaker 7: to require me to sign an NDA, a contract to

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Speaker 7: a clause that would have restricted my ability to speak

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Speaker 7: about the details of what happened to me for the

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Speaker 7: rest of my life. Imagine being told you can never

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Speaker 7: tell your own truth. Despite the bowling for my attorney

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Speaker 7: and all those involved in the case. In my heart,

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Speaker 7: I knew I had to stand for truth, not just

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Speaker 7: for myself, but for others who feel they had been silenced.

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Speaker 7: I'm standing here today with my voice because Trey's Law

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Speaker 7: protected it as a matter of public policy, and I

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Speaker 7: was able to achieve settlement while preserving my ability to

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Speaker 7: speak out in hope of protecting others. Due to learning

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Speaker 7: about Trey's Law and Missouri, I knew something important. I

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Speaker 7: cannot be legally forced into silence. No agreement could take

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Speaker 7: away my right to speak about my own experience and

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Speaker 7: those responsible for the abuse. That legal right changed everything.

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Speaker 7: It shifted the balance and power. It meant that any

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Speaker 7: resolution would not come at the cost of me owning

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Speaker 7: my story, not only as having a voice essential to

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Speaker 7: my healing journey, but is also how I can warn others.

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Speaker 7: My abuser is still out in public every day. He

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Speaker 7: goes by the name Raisa. He is a well known

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Speaker 7: entertainer in Branson who still has a magic show, and

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Speaker 7: I'm concerned about ongoing victimization. The criminal justice system has

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Speaker 7: done nothing to remove them from being around children. So

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Speaker 7: I'm going to do something. I'm speaking out today, and

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Speaker 7: I'm advocating the law that protected me to protect victims everywhere.

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Speaker 7: Federal action on Trey's Law is critical. A survivor's freedom

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Speaker 7: of speech should not depend on geography. I am fortunate

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Speaker 7: that Trey's law had passed in Missouri and allowed me

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Speaker 7: to keep my voice. But someone's ZIP code should not

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Speaker 7: determine whether they can tell the truth and warn the

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Speaker 7: public about predators. This needs to be national. Trey's law

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Speaker 7: is straightforward but powerful. It makes non disclosure agreements in

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Speaker 7: cases of child sexual abuse void and unenforceable. It ensures

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Speaker 7: that secrecy cannot be purchased when a child has been harmed.

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Speaker 7: It affirms that survivors can be seen, heard, and leaved,

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Speaker 7: and that's in the best interest of public safety. What

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Speaker 7: almost happened to me, siting away my voice should never

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Speaker 7: be an option in this country. I'm grateful to be

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Speaker 7: part of today's important milestone and making that happen in

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Speaker 7: setting truth free.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sator, you're watching that. It's painful.

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Speaker 1: It also is incredible to see someone like that get

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Speaker 1: their voice because of this law and that was enacted

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Speaker 1: in her state, and that's exactly what you are trying

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Speaker 1: to do nationwide and It's why I say this for

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Speaker 1: everyone watching, please share this. There may be somebody that

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Speaker 1: needs to know the website with a connection with Cannoncut.

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Speaker 1: There may be someone else that needs to know this

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Speaker 1: because they're in an NBA. This is why we do

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Speaker 1: this show, and it's one of those episodes that I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll put it everywhere on social media.

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Speaker 4: Well, and look, there's something really powerful about a survivor

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Speaker 4: taking ownership of their own story, of their own abuse

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Speaker 4: and sharing their story. It can be healing, it can

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Speaker 4: be empowering. Look when Jaden told her story, there was

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Speaker 4: not a dry eye in the room. I mean it

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Speaker 4: was you just heard it, and for those of you

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Speaker 4: watching online, you saw it. And this is a nineteen

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Speaker 4: year old young woman who was bearing her soul. And

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Speaker 4: there's something powerful a for the survivor to move past

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Speaker 4: the pain and grief. But it's also powerful because for

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Speaker 4: every survivor that tells her story or his story, there

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Speaker 4: are dozens or hundreds or even thousands of other victims

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Speaker 4: who never told anybody. And one of the horrific things

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Speaker 4: about this crime in particular, listen, if you're walking home

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Speaker 4: at night and you get mugged and beaten up. You're

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Speaker 4: not typically embarrassed or ashamed to admit I got mugged

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Speaker 4: and beaten up someone stole my wallet. Sexual assault, and

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Speaker 4: particularly sexual assault for kids, the guilt, the self loathing.

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Speaker 3: The fear, the precis the shame.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: So many victims are trapped in silence and never report

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Speaker 4: their crimes. And so there is a power not just

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Speaker 4: for the survivor, but but for everyone else who's been

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Speaker 4: a victim, who has not been able to to own

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Speaker 4: their truth. And you know, I don't like language like that.

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Speaker 4: Own their truth sounds a little new agy for me.

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Speaker 3: It's not the way I normally speare.

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Speaker 6: But survivors hold the truth.

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Speaker 4: And here it is right. I don't think someone has

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Speaker 4: their truth on whether two plus two is four. But

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Speaker 4: your life and your experience no one should take away,

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Speaker 4: particularly from a child, the ability to tell your story.

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Speaker 4: And it's and I'll tell you look, Trey's Law would

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Speaker 4: not have been a law in Missouri, Elizabeth, without your leadership,

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Speaker 4: it would not have been a law in Texas.

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Speaker 3: It would not have been a law.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you have devoted a lot of time to

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Speaker 4: fighting for this nationwide.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I hope to get back to my day job. Eventually,

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Speaker 5: I'm a mother of three. I've got other things to do.

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Speaker 5: This is not something I want to carry. It's always

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Speaker 5: encouraging when legislators like yourself step up and say we're

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Speaker 5: going to champion this on behalf of survivors so that

654
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Speaker 5: Trey's outcome doesn't happen again. And I just want to

655
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Speaker 5: comment on Jaden and what she did today because that

656
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 5: was heroic. It will inspire others to come forward, and

657
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 5: as she stated in her testimony, she just doesn't want

658
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Speaker 5: other people to continue to be victimized by her abuser.

659
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Speaker 5: Today was the first time she named her abuser. Wow,

660
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Speaker 5: and I am so honored.

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize that when she said that, I assumed

662
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Speaker 4: she had said it previously.

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Speaker 3: I did not realize she had not.

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Speaker 5: That's when a press conference becomes holy, sacred space, because

665
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Speaker 5: she was sharing the truth about a predator who's still

666
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Speaker 5: out there. And I am amazed by her courage because

667
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Speaker 5: she achieved settlement last year and asked if she wanted

668
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Speaker 5: this opportunity. It was healing for her, as hard as

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Speaker 5: it was to be able to stand on truth. And

670
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Speaker 5: that's one of our slogans with the trays campaign is

671
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Speaker 5: every voice of truth matters, because I agree with you,

672
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Speaker 5: I don't like this language around. They are truth, There

673
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Speaker 5: is absolute truth. And Jaden stead on that today in

674
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Speaker 5: her remarks and we got to stand beside her, and

675
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Speaker 5: that was so powerful, and like you said, not a

676
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Speaker 5: dry eye in the room, because if you're not personally

677
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Speaker 5: affected by child sexual abuse, you sure know someone who

678
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Speaker 5: Waymen is or will come forward eventually about that.

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Speaker 3: The numbers are staggering, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And we have studied this. Only one in seven victims

681
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Speaker 5: will ever come forward. And the deadly disclosure issue I

682
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Speaker 5: was bringing up earlier, especially with male victims, they often

683
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Speaker 5: don't disclose until between the age of fifty and seventy.

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Speaker 5: And so it's important parents understand that because again I

685
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Speaker 5: think they think if someone experiences this, that child's going

686
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Speaker 5: to come home and tell mom and dad immediately. But

687
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Speaker 5: to your point, it's not like an injury you would

688
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Speaker 5: endure on the streets or in some sort of other accident.

689
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Speaker 5: This does have an element of shame. And what Jayden

690
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 5: did today is she put the shame back where it belongs, Yeah,

691
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Speaker 5: on the person who accused her. It was never her fault.

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Speaker 4: And let me say to anyone listening to this, if

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Speaker 4: you've been a victim, it's not your fault.

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Speaker 3: And that's one of the lies.

695
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Speaker 4: These abusers try to convince children that it is your

696
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Speaker 4: fault that you invited this, that the blame is with you,

697
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Speaker 4: and that is a total and complete lie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's what grooming does, and what grooming is

699
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Speaker 5: is it creates secrecy.

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Speaker 6: If you ever tell.

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Speaker 5: Anyone, I'm going to hurt your loved one, or if

702
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Speaker 5: you ever tell anyone, it's going to ruin everything. That

703
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Speaker 5: is a grooming tactic to keep the victim quiet, and

704
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Speaker 5: they often don't come out of that brainwashing for many,

705
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Speaker 5: many years. So that's why research shows all of this

706
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 5: around it late disclosure. She was able to move from

707
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Speaker 5: victim is a to survivor and now survivor advocate in

708
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Speaker 5: a matter of months, and that's what we got to

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Speaker 5: witness today thanks to you introducing Trey's Law federally along

710
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Speaker 5: with Senator Jilligren and other co sponsors. And I thought

711
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Speaker 5: Senator Britt had some really poignant remarks as well.

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Speaker 3: She was fantastic.

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Speaker 5: Oh, and it was very clear that the group you

714
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Speaker 5: mentioned earlier, the ones you've asked so far they are

715
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Speaker 5: behind survivors. They want to protect survivors' voices, and that's

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Speaker 5: what Trey's Law will do. And it does need to

717
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Speaker 5: be national because going state by state creates an imbalance,

718
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Speaker 5: protects the people in power, the predators, and the institutions

719
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Speaker 5: that harbor these predators over a child having ownership of

720
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Speaker 5: their story. And that's the core of our mission here.

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Speaker 5: And thank you for taking time out of not a

722
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Speaker 5: slow news day to make this a priority to hear

723
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Speaker 5: from people like Jaden and others.

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Speaker 4: Who spoke this is important to happen and to go

725
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Speaker 4: to the really corrosive power of shame last year, and

726
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Speaker 4: we talked about this earlier today. A law that I

727
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Speaker 4: authored and we passed into law was to Take It

728
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Speaker 4: Down Act. And Take it Down Act makes it a

729
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Speaker 4: crime to post non consensual intimate imagery, either real pictures,

730
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Speaker 4: and you see so called revenge porn of explicit photographs

731
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Speaker 4: or videos that a couple breaks up and one decides, Okay,

732
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Speaker 4: I'm going to hurt my former lover and publish and

733
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Speaker 4: no one has the right to make that public and

734
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Speaker 4: to do that to someone else. But we've also seen

735
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Speaker 4: with AI the rise of deep fakes, and this problem

736
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Speaker 4: has increased more than three thousand percent in the last year,

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Speaker 4: and more than ninety percent of the victims are either

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Speaker 4: women or teenage girls. And when we were pushing to

739
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Speaker 4: pass it and building the coalition to pass it, one

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Speaker 4: of the things we did, the First Lady became very

741
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Speaker 4: actively involved in this legislation, and I appreciated she. I

742
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: hosted the First Lady on Capital Hill and she was

743
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Speaker 4: at a roundtable where she met with a number of

744
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 4: the victims. And to give you a sense, there was

745
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Speaker 4: one person who testified who was a state legislator in

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Speaker 4: South Carolina.

747
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Speaker 3: Whose son.

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Speaker 4: Had received it was online, and he was a teenager

749
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Speaker 4: and he thought he was talking with a cute teenage girl,

750
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Speaker 4: and the supposed cute teenage girl was flirting with him,

751
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Speaker 4: and teenage boys everyone can make foolish decisions, but teenage

752
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 4: boys in particular. This cute girl convinced him to take

753
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 4: revealing and naked pictures of himself and to send those pictures.

754
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Speaker 4: It turned out that the cute girl was not a

755
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Speaker 4: cute girl, but rather was a predator, a predator, a

756
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Speaker 4: foreign predator, who then began blackmailing him and saying I'm

757
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 4: going to take this picture that you just took. You

758
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 4: just took a naked picture of yourself and sent it

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Speaker 4: to me. I'm going to send this picture to your family.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to send it to your parents. I'm going

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Speaker 4: to send it to your friends. I'm going to send

762
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Speaker 4: it to everyone unless you give me money sextortion, And tragically,

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Speaker 4: this teenage boy took his life. The entire exchange from

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Speaker 4: the first interaction to when he took his own life

765
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Speaker 4: was ninety minutes.

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Speaker 3: And his father shared that story.

767
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Speaker 4: But that's the power of shame of this teenager who

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Speaker 4: had taken a picture of thinking he was flirting, and

769
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Speaker 4: then the terror of if I get exposed for that,

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Speaker 4: which look compared to being a victim of sexual assault,

771
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Speaker 4: taking a picture of yourself is not nearly as severe.

772
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Speaker 4: And yet that shame was so powerful that that teenage

773
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Speaker 4: boy took a life. I mean, this is the pressures

774
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 4: on our kids. They're enormous, and they face things that

775
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 4: technology amplifies all of this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really an epidemic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 6: As a mom of three, I know you have two girls.

779
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Speaker 5: The threats are different than they were in our childhoods

780
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 5: and very different, very different.

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Speaker 6: We were play.

782
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Speaker 4: One in three kids one in three kids will be

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Speaker 4: propositioned sexually online.

784
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Speaker 5: Yeah, one and three, And so again, thank you for

785
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: championing the Take It Down Act and your co sponsors

786
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Speaker 5: and the survivors and sadly the families victimized in that situation.

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Speaker 6: The National Center on Missy Next.

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Speaker 5: With Your Children just put out a very powerful video

789
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Speaker 5: on that issue in particular. And when I was the

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Speaker 5: board chair of an anti trafficking organization, the FBI put

791
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 5: out their notice on sex stortion. We had something come

792
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 5: through a case around girls being trafficked on Venmo. So

793
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 5: it sometimes often these apps parents are and even thinking about,

794
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 5: but roadblocks especially atrocious. So many examples of abuse happening

795
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 5: on discord and then what they do is they take

796
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 5: it live. So in my brother's story, it was an

797
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 5: institution that covered up abuse. Now it's these tech companies

798
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 5: covering up abuse, and the bad actors are a step

799
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Speaker 5: ahead of us, and the legislation can't continue to be reactive.

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Speaker 5: What I think Trey's law does is it removes that

801
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 5: barrier because the shame is already inherent in the crime itself,

802
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 5: and it removes that barrier so that victims come forward quicker.

803
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 5: We can catch the bad guys faster and the truth

804
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 5: comes to light a lot sooner than when the power

805
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 5: and balance is in such a way that lawyers, even

806
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 5: plaintiffs attorneys as we've discussed, or others, are keeping that

807
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 5: victim from speaking out. So NDAs are one barrier. But

808
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 5: the shame is real and the gap in parntal education

809
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 5: is real, and that's why conversations like this really matter.

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00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: Well, Elizabeth, thank you for taking your pain. I know

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Speaker 3: you missed your brother.

812
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 4: I know you feel the pain every day, but thank

813
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 4: you for taking that and saying I'm not just going

814
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 4: to de grieve. I'm not just going to weep. I'm

815
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Speaker 4: going to use the pain to make a difference and

816
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 4: help others because your courage matters. It has already changed

817
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: the law in a number of states across the country,

818
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Speaker 4: and it's going to change the law nationally. And your

819
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 4: leadership is why this is happening. And so I just

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Speaker 4: want to say thank you.

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Speaker 6: It's a sacred honor.

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Speaker 1: Final question I want to bring up real quick one.

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Speaker 1: Will you give the website one more time for people

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Speaker 1: that may have been affected at CANNICOCT with the place

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00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: where your brother was and to senator, so this doesn't

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Speaker 1: drag on for a decade to get it passed.

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Speaker 2: What can vertict listeners.

828
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Speaker 1: Do to help advocate for this and no matter who

829
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Speaker 1: their senator is.

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Speaker 5: So the whistleblower website on Cannoncock is facts about Cannacock

831
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Speaker 5: dot com. And then our website for Trey's Law is

832
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Speaker 5: Treyslaw dot org. There's a community page for survivors who

833
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 5: want to tell their story in a safe way until

834
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 5: we get this legislation passed and they don't feel safe

835
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Speaker 5: coming out fully in their identity. We had a survivor

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Speaker 5: testify in Missouri just a couple of weeks ago, and

837
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 5: he said, for twenty five years, I've been a John

838
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 5: Doe and today I'm coming forward in my full name

839
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 5: because of trays passing in Texas. That's the power of

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Speaker 5: Trey's Law in Texas. And you know we heard about

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00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 5: Missouri today at the press conference and just replay Jaden's remarks.

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Speaker 6: So this needs to be national.

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Speaker 5: The other way to support this effort is through the

844
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Speaker 5: No More Victims Alliance and that website is in Mvalliance

845
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Speaker 5: dot org. And we have a lot of advocates and

846
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 5: allies who want to help support this, and Senator, I'm

847
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 5: curious your thoughts as far as what are the most

848
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 5: effective calls to action people that want to jump in.

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Speaker 4: So let me say one thing. The press conference we had,

850
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 4: we had probably about fifty people who came. There was packed,

851
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 4: many of whom were themselves victims or they were the

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Speaker 4: families of victims. And the emotions, the tears in the room,

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Speaker 4: it was I actually think that the TV cameras did

854
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 4: not pick up on the folks that were there that

855
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Speaker 4: were supporting what we were doing. But it was really powerful. Look,

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Speaker 4: what can you do? One thing I would encourage you

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00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 4: to do. Share this podcast, Send this podcast to your friends,

858
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 4: send them the YouTube link, send them the audio link.

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Speaker 4: Encourage people to learn about trades law and then pick

860
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Speaker 4: up the phone and make a phone call. Call your senator,

861
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Speaker 4: call your house member, and urge them past trades law.

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Speaker 4: Look those phone calls, people wondered, do those phone calls matter?

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Speaker 4: Do they make a difference? And I'll tell you they do.

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Speaker 4: I get a report every day, and I think this

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Speaker 4: is true for most members of Congress. I get a

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Speaker 4: report of how many calls we got and what the

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Speaker 4: topics were what the people were urging. And you notice,

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Speaker 4: if there's a surge on a topic, it makes a

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Speaker 4: difference and it focuses the mind. And so speaking out,

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Speaker 4: urging your elected representatives to support this law. As we've

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Speaker 4: got broad bipartisan support, we're going to get this done.

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Speaker 4: And also speak out, you know, speak out on social media.

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Speaker 4: Put up a post on Facebook, put up a post

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Speaker 4: on X or true Social or Instagram or whatever whatever

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Speaker 4: platform you use. But speak out and advocate it, because

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Speaker 4: the more people hear about this, I think it is

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Speaker 4: basic common sense.

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Speaker 3: There is no reason a.

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Speaker 4: Child lacks the emotional maturity to make a decision to

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Speaker 4: bind themselves by an NDA. And and Trade's law is

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Speaker 4: going to say, we're not going to allow children to

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Speaker 4: be taken advantage of first when they're abused, but they're

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Speaker 4: taking advantage of a second time when they are pressured

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Speaker 4: into signing an NDA and muzzled for the rest of

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Speaker 4: their life. And look, we can't necessarily stop every instance

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Speaker 4: of abuse of kids in the first instance, so though

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Speaker 4: obviously we want to, but every predator we take off

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Speaker 4: the street stops that predator from victimizing another child another victim.

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Speaker 4: But we can stop the second victimization. We can say

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Speaker 4: we are not going to allow, as a matter of law,

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Speaker 4: for children who have experienced this violence to be silenced.

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Speaker 4: And that's what we're trying to do. And Elizabeth, that's

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Speaker 4: what your leadership is producing.

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Speaker 5: Well, and that's why we call this a public safety bill.

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Speaker 5: And you know, nothing will bring my brother back. And

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Speaker 5: thank you for acknowledging that, like this is happening out

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Speaker 5: of heartbreak and I see it as you know, grief

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Speaker 5: can be love and action. So I'm taking action because

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Speaker 5: of what my brother's life and death has taught me.

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Speaker 5: So bigger picture, you know, encourage people to not let

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Speaker 5: these hardened lessons die in vain. We won't let this

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Speaker 5: be in vain. And thank you for taking action with me,

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Speaker 5: With all the survivors in the room today who flew

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Speaker 5: in from across the country. They've been advocating in Georgia

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Speaker 5: and Alabama and Missouri and Texas, and they showed up

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Speaker 5: in that room and it was, yes, full of tears,

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Speaker 5: but also full of hope. And there's some other bills

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Speaker 5: right now that it needs support, like the Renewed Hope

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Speaker 5: Act and the Defiance Act, which is a compliment to

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Speaker 5: the Take It Down Act, and so this Congress can

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Speaker 5: achieve a lot to protect victims. And if people do

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Speaker 5: call their elected legislators, then we can get this done.

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Speaker 5: And I love hearing you say that over and over

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Speaker 5: that it's not an if, it's a win, and you

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Speaker 5: know with this kind of thing there's never a win.

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Speaker 5: It is a lose lose in my family's case. But we,

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Speaker 5: like you said, we can prevent this from happening. We

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Speaker 5: can catch it sooner and this era can end.

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Speaker 1: Amen, don't forget. We do this show three days a week, Monday,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday. I ask you, if you get to

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Speaker 1: see this, please share the video YouTube video on Facebook

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: You can share it on x and share this podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can hit that little forward button and share it

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Speaker 1: wherever you are on social media. Hopefully you can help

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Speaker 1: others and victims come forward and understand what's happening to

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Speaker 1: the laws and how they're changing.

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Speaker 2: Also, be an advocate.

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Speaker 1: Talk to your senator and call their offices and let

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Speaker 1: them know about this law.

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Speaker 2: They may not know what's going on with it.

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Speaker 1: Let them know why you're in favor of it, why

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Speaker 1: they should get behind it so it doesn't take ten

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Speaker 1: years to get this pass and the Senat, and I

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Speaker 1: will see you back here in a couple of days