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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's a special day for us here, It's Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 2: Ashley is flying all around the world right now because

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Speaker 2: she was out in Los Angeles doing an event, and

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Speaker 2: so I have two very special guests with me today

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Speaker 2: who are going to help me break down the Golden Bachelor,

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Speaker 2: My wife Jessica and the grandma Nana.

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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, She's not a grandma, she's a nana.

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Speaker 2: She's a Nana. Hello, Nana.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 2: As we've done every week here, it's been really fun.

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Speaker 2: As we've watched the Golden Bachelor. We've had people come

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Speaker 2: on special guests that are within the age range of

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Speaker 2: the people on the show, giving us their opinion on

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Speaker 2: what they're watching, how they're feeling, how they're enjoying the

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor. And then obviously we've got Jessica here who

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Speaker 2: likes to jump in now and again a few times.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Han, I was telling everybody that you

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Speaker 2: really have no watched a full season of The Bachelor, right.

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Speaker 3: No, I've never watched the full original Bachelor. This is

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Speaker 3: my first go round the Golden.

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Speaker 2: One, and you're loving it. You're loving it. We're watching it,

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Speaker 2: you're crying, you're feeling all the feels like you're into it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I just I really love Gary. I think he's

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Speaker 3: such a sweet man. I hope that he's being protected

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Speaker 3: and cared for. I've really been loving watching his journey.

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Speaker 2: And then, Nana, you've seen every episode of The Golden

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Speaker 2: Bachelor as well? Right, yes, I have. And just so

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Speaker 2: everybody has an idea here as they're about to listen

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Speaker 2: to us break down this episode. Okay, what is your

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Speaker 2: general thoughts on The Golden Bachelor so far?

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Speaker 5: My general thoughts is that I love it. It's it's real.

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Speaker 5: It feels a lot more real to me. Yeah, and

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Speaker 5: I like that, And I think I think they're more real.

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Speaker 5: Their emotions come out there and it feels genuine. And

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Speaker 5: I didn't always feel that way about The Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: I would agree, and I think that's a general consensus.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why eleven million people are viewing this show.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been able to be around some people

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Speaker 2: who are viewing the show and there's an emotion. In fact, Nan,

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Speaker 2: I want to tell you this story. A few weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: I was able to be a part of a watch

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Speaker 2: party for the show, and I had a lady come

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Speaker 2: up to me and she was in tears and she said,

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Speaker 2: you know, I lost my husband a few years ago

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Speaker 2: and this is just get helping me like relate with that,

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Speaker 2: like second chance of love or wanting companionship, or putting

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Speaker 2: yourself out there or taking these risks. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: that's what this show used to be. Maybe when The

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Speaker 2: authentic and there's a genuineness, and now I think The

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor's kind of bringing that back, that vibe of

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Speaker 2: people being real, trying something new, attempting to find love,

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Speaker 2: but if anything else, they're having a good time doing it.

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Speaker 2: And so I agree with you. I think this show

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Speaker 2: is great. Well, we're going to dive into this episode.

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Speaker 2: It kicks offwards. We're what four four episodes in The

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor. Gary has kind of started off this episode.

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Speaker 2: We're going to see more emotion out of Gary as

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Speaker 2: the episodes progress. In this episode the sneak peek, he

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Speaker 2: we see Gary saying he hasn't felt this way since

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Speaker 2: meeting his wife forty years ago, and so Gary's getting

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Speaker 2: in it. He's feeling the feels he's connecting with multiple women.

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Speaker 2: And then the first scene of the episode is where

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Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation alum Bachelor at number one, Tristas Sutter is

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Speaker 2: on the show, which I think is personally very cool

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Speaker 2: probably watched Trista during her journey to find love on

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Speaker 2: the Bachelorette. So, Nana, did you watch episode or a

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Speaker 2: season one of The Bachelorette? Do you remember Trista?

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Speaker 5: No? Absolutely, I don't.

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Speaker 2: on the show. And they're getting ready to play pickleball,

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Speaker 2: so it's a group date here. Pickleball is the sport

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Speaker 2: We actually have somebody that instructs pickleball. This group date

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Speaker 2: here the Almost Famous podcast, Sondra. Sondra at this pickleball

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Speaker 2: date admits to Gary that she is here on the

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor and as a result, she's missing her daughter's wedding.

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Speaker 2: Love to hear your guys' reaction to that. What did

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Speaker 2: you think? It made me squirm a little bit. To

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Speaker 2: your thoughts. Jess. Let's start with you.

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Speaker 3: I think that if my mom said that she was

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Speaker 3: going on The Bachelor and it would interfere with my wedding,

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Speaker 3: I would really sit down and talk with her about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that Sandra Sandra did with her daughter as well.

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Speaker 3: So I think that it just kind of depends on

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Speaker 3: assume that they had a lot of really, really good

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Nana, Well, I think initially I

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Speaker 5: But when you get into the cat, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: For she admire Sandra or her daughter more.

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Speaker 5: I admire Sandra for being able to say to her daughter,

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Speaker 2: You know, I think there is the element there too,

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Speaker 2: I did it, Like if anything, I'd ended up with Gary,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes on this show, when you watch maybe the Bachelor

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Speaker 5: Well, initially, what the first episode, I was kind of

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Speaker 5: And that's really not I would rather have seen something like,

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Speaker 5: I think I think he's genuine. I felt really moved

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Speaker 2: I do think you're you're hitting on something there, Nana.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting because I have felt and maybe I've never

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Speaker 2: we did start out with a lot of emotion, and

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Speaker 2: we did see a lot of emotion initially from him.

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Speaker 2: But I do feel like there was a pivot at

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Speaker 2: I think that's really great is when you get to

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Speaker 5: Don't? I don't think it's common. I think the the

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's common. This isn't like this, This behavior,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I just I feel like I'm learning a.

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Speaker 5: I really like Leslie and I like her willingness to

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Speaker 5: I think that if any of this is gonna work,

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Speaker 5: Would you ever get on an ATV?

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Speaker 2: show right now are in their late sixties, early seventies.

434
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: It's kind of the age range that we have. It's

435
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: impressive the amount of physical activity and also energy that

436
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: everybody has to be up early in the morning, going

437
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 2: to bed very late at night, and also throughout the

438
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: whole day doing an activity of some kind, socializing maybe

439
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: with their friends. Like it feels like it would be

440
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: exhausting for me now, and I can't imagine now, you know,

441
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: forty years from this day having that energy to keep

442
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: going every day on and on. I'm impressed. So, Nana,

443
00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: are you impressed with the physical uh aptitude that everybody

444
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: on the show seems to have.

445
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah, well, you know what, I see that in

446
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 5: my in my life every day. You know, the people

447
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 5: that I hang with, if you will, that's how they are.

448
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 5: They're physical, they're active, they're you know, uh, that's the

449
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 5: way they live. So and I and I admire that.

450
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 5: So I think these women are great and and and

451
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 5: you know, by doing this, I think it gives them,

452
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 5: It gives them permission to be to let themselves out.

453
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 5: I think that that really gives them permission. And and

454
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 5: when you start letting yourself out, who knows what can happen.

455
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: So to dig into that a little bit, I'm curious.

456
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 2: So do you feel like, uh, because I think that's

457
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: such a beautiful thing, is to give yourself permission to

458
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: let yourselves out to live a little so in your seventies,

459
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: do you think men and women, maybe, if you know,

460
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: take this show out of consideration, do you think they

461
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: feel a pressure to not just let themselves free at times?

462
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: Do you think they have some restrictions maybe in their

463
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 2: everyday life that forces them to not just be able

464
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: to let loose and have fun like they're able to

465
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: on this show.

466
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 5: Yes, I think they do. And I guess I can

467
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 5: honestly say that I probably know some women who, you know,

468
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 5: just don't have the ability to be who they really

469
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 5: are for a lot of reasons.

470
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a beautiful part of the show. Then, I

471
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: mean that's a kind of a sad part of this

472
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: show that we're able to witness a bunch of people

473
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: having a lot of fun and being free during this

474
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: whole experience, maybe for the first time in a while. Well,

475
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what that feels like.

476
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 5: I think it's great, it's great you're giving them permission.

477
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: Well, no, and I think you're right, and I think

478
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: we see it, and I think we're seeing it with Leslie,

479
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: you know, Leslie had mentioned to Gary that she'd been

480
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 2: single for twenty two years. I do think there is

481
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: something to this relationship. I don't know the depth that

482
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: it will go, but I do think there is a

483
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: connection there, and I do think Gary is very attracted

484
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: to her. But I also think there it feels like

485
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 2: for whatever season of life Gary is going to be

486
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: entering into, he is looking for somebody who can have

487
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: fun with him, who can joke with him, who he's

488
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: attracted to, and in so far, Leslie matches all of those.

489
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: I still feel like, even after this date, personally, it

490
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: didn't have the depth that we've seen on other one

491
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: on one dates that he's had this season. I don't

492
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: think I can leave it being like they're Their depth

493
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: that they got to so easily feels like one that

494
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: could propel them into a future together. But I still

495
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: think there's something there. Do you guys agree?

496
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 5: I don't. Yeah.

497
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: I think the one thing that's always been confusing me

498
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: about the show is the amount of time you get

499
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: with the person. I know that I've talked to you

500
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: a lot about that too, Ben, So I feel like

501
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: a lot of it, Like I feel like it you

502
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: just have to have more time to make those deep connections.

503
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: So it's Leslie's there longer than they They definitely could. Also,

504
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: I'm at work. I have a client here. I just

505
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 3: wanted to get you guys going, But Nana and Ben,

506
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: I know that you guys are going to have a

507
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: great rest of your conversation. I just have to sign off. Okay, guys, bye,

508
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: love y'all.

509
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: Well, Nana, we do have a few people who are

510
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: on the injured Reserve. Coming into the end of the

511
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: episode the cocktail party, Nancy has a bum leg. She

512
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: got a stress fracture playing pickleball. We didn't see it.

513
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: Maybe I missed it, but like it kind of came

514
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: out of nowhere for me, and then Nancy's going to

515
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: go home because of it. That's too bad, but I'm

516
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: not shocked. I don't know if Nancy wanted to be

517
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: there necessarily much longer. It felt like she was kind

518
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: of like having fun and into the experience, But it

519
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: never felt like Nancy really like dove into a connection

520
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: with Gary.

521
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 5: Well she said, I mean, she's what she said is

522
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 5: that she doesn't feel like he's She's part of the

523
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 5: people he's interested in. You know, I didn't get the

524
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 5: impression she was going home because of her leg I

525
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 5: got the impression that she just didn't feel comfortable there,

526
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 5: she didn't feel humped well with the whole situation, and

527
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 5: she didn't feel that she really that he really made

528
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 5: a connection with her. And he agreed.

529
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: H Yeah, he did agree. I think I think she

530
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: was probably going home that evening. And so, you know,

531
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: from my experience in the show, it's always nice to

532
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: have when somebody doesn't feel it, it's nice to have

533
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: that kind of closing conversation because if not, you're just

534
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 2: kind of not giving them a rose, and they're going home,

535
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: they're getting a car in their car run. So it

536
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: is nice to kind of have that closure of hey,

537
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: this is great, I think you're great, but we're not

538
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: clicking like we know we should be, and I'm just

539
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: gonna go home. Uh And and so I'm not surprised

540
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: by Nancy's departure. In fact, I do think it made

541
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: a little easier on Gary at the end of the evening,

542
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: so that he didn't have to let go of three women.

543
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: Instead he only had to do two. At the rose ceremony,

544
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: Sander sick. Yeah, as she mentioned kind of in uh

545
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: in just just as she ate the ice cream, she said, Hey,

546
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have this ice cream because I'm not going

547
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: to feel good. And sure enough we see her laying

548
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: in bed, just kind of sulking in her you know,

549
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: lactose intolerant miseries, which is never fun for anybody and

550
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: probably not something you want to have as you're also

551
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: trying to date on a national television shows. You know. Well,

552
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: the rose ceremony, the cocktail party kind of continues. The

553
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: only part about the cocktail party that I really believe

554
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: is worth speaking of is the conversation with Ellen. We

555
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: talked about Ellen earlier on. She was very open about

556
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: her feelings. I believe them. I can see in her

557
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: eyes there is a sparkle, there is an excitement. And

558
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: she kind of continues that conversation that she had earlier

559
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: with Gary into then this evening. And Gary responds with

560
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: pretty much telling her without telling her, hey, I'm feeling

561
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: the same way you are. And he makes this comment, Nana.

562
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: He says he thought the world ended when he lost

563
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: his late wife Tony, but he has that feeling again.

564
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: It's the It's what we got in the sneak peek

565
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: at the beginning. As you see this scene, it's really

566
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: the first time that we've seen this type of depth

567
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: and emotion. And I guess just somebody you know explaining

568
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: how much they're feeling for each other on this show

569
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: so far, how does it make you feel?

570
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 5: I felt great. I felt like it was so sincere

571
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 5: and so genuine and I could see where it could

572
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 5: just bring up all those feelings. I thought it was beautiful.

573
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 5: I thought it was beautiful. I really did. I felt

574
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 5: again like he was they're really into each other.

575
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I got a lot of texts

576
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: last night from people who are watching the episode, and

577
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: I think this, this moment is a moment that so

578
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: many viewers have been waiting for where they feel like, hey,

579
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: this could work. This is really good because I think

580
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: viewers have been convinced since early on in this season

581
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: that there's an there's a genuineness, that there is a

582
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: desire to find somebody. But also, as you were, you know, explaining,

583
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: there's also viewers are enjoying seeing people kind of thrive

584
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 2: in this environment and seeing how people in their sixties

585
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: and seventies get along when they live inside of a mansion.

586
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 2: But I think most a lot of viewers will waiting

587
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: for this kind of breakpoint where now we're seeing, you know,

588
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: real feelings start to get said. I will say this

589
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: with a caveat though, Nana. I think opening up this

590
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: door for Gary as he starts to feel these things

591
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: and starts to express these things, is only going to

592
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: make this experience a lot harder for him. I don't

593
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: think he's ready personally for the amount of feelings and

594
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: emotions he about to get as the season continues.

595
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 5: And that maybe that's important. Is he ready? I mean,

596
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 5: and I don't know. It hasn't been that long, right

597
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 5: as I remember that he lost.

598
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: His wife, I think it's seven years, So it's seven years,

599
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: but I think that's seven years of pretty much not dating,

600
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: and so you know, that's it's seven years of not

601
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: having these feelings, and now he might be feeling as

602
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: we see on most seasons, he might have these same

603
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: feelings for multiple people, and he's gonna end up having

604
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: to say goodbye to people that he deeply cares about.

605
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: That and he's not used to feeling this way. It's

606
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: been forty seven years, you know, since he met his wife,

607
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: and so forty seven years of not kind of having

608
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: these these love feelings and uh, and I think it's

609
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: gonna make it really hard on him as we continue on.

610
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 5: I think that's a great point. I didn't I didn't

611
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 5: think of it that way, but yeah, you know, how

612
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: do you how do you interpret everything that's going on

613
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 5: inside of you? Is this really what I feel? Or

614
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 5: is it do I miss my wife? Or you know?

615
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 5: I think I agree with you, Ben. I think it's

616
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 5: going to be hotter and harder.

617
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, which as a viewer I'm excited for. But if

618
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: I'm Gary, uh, and I'm thinking about Gary, I'm sad

619
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: for because I think it's going to be a really

620
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: hard road to the happiness that he's hoping for at

621
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: the end, and we hope that he finds that happiness.

622
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: As a viewer, I am. I am excited to see

623
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: what emotions and what feelings come out now from this

624
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: point forward, because I think they're going to be very

625
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: real for everybody, and I think they're going to be

626
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: very believable for us as an audience, and and I

627
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: think we're going to be kind of on the edge

628
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: of our seat wondering how in the world is he

629
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: going to say goodbye to one of these people because

630
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: I know he cares about so them all so much.

631
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 5: Yes, and it's a it's a real growth process for him.

632
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 5: It's a real moving forward time for him. And it's

633
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 5: going to be painful, you know, the things he has

634
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 5: to let go of and hang on to. So I

635
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 5: think it will be difficult, But I think it's good.

636
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's healthy, right, you would say it's healthy, very healthy.

637
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 5: It's helping him to get some closure in his life

638
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 5: and to resolve some of the grief and getting permission.

639
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 5: I think that's the biggest thing. He's got. Permission to

640
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 5: move forward.

641
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. Yeah, permission to move forward. We're going to

642
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: see it with their own eyes as we continue to

643
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: watch this season. But as this episode ended, Ellen, Faith, Susan,

644
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: and Teresa are left, along with Sandra and Leslie who

645
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: got the roses during the episode. Kathy and April are

646
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: going home. I'm not shocked or surprised, Nana. Were you

647
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: shocked or surprised by the two eliminations of.

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Speaker 5: Week No, No, it's it's kind of the way I

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Speaker 5: figured it would go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 5: I think I was happy about Sandra. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: she's a real genuine person you know, and I think

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Speaker 5: he sees her as that, as a real genuine person,

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Speaker 5: not necessarily somebody's going to fall in love with, but

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Speaker 5: just a real genuine person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see more from her, Like I

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Speaker 2: think you're right, Like she comes off very genuine, Jess,

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Speaker 2: and I love watching her on television. I think she

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Speaker 2: has this calm demeanor about her, and she's she's very

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Speaker 2: you know, a very prevalent person on the show. But

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Speaker 2: we haven't gotten enough. I want to know a little more.

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Speaker 2: I want to see the two of them together now.

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Speaker 5: I mean he used the word empathy when he talked

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Speaker 5: about her, Yeah, and you could see that she's a

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Speaker 5: very empathetic person.

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Speaker 2: You know, I am a little know and you brought

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Speaker 2: up a good point about her. I think when he

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Speaker 2: gave her the rose, you know, he mentioned that she

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Speaker 2: gave a big sacrifice to stay and be on that show.

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Speaker 2: I would have, you know. I think that's great and

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Speaker 2: I think he really means that. But yet we haven't

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Speaker 2: necessarily seen him say and I just want her around

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Speaker 2: because I just I can't get enough of her, you know,

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Speaker 2: like I just need her around. Like I think he

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Speaker 2: gave her the rose because he's like, you're awesome, I'm

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Speaker 2: into it, but you also give up a big sacrifice.

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Speaker 2: So in a sense, I kind of feel like I

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Speaker 2: want to give you this gift for doing this, But

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Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily saying I want to give you this

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Speaker 2: rose because I just can't think of you not being

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Speaker 2: here any longer.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I know, yeah, I mean he's getting attached to people, yeah,

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Speaker 7: at different levels than falling in love with them.

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Speaker 5: I think he's getting attached to people emotionally at this point,

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Speaker 5: not that it's necessarily he's in love with them, and

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Speaker 5: maybe he's working towards that, but he's emotionally attached to

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Speaker 5: the women and he really likes them all.

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Speaker 2: As we mentioned, that's not going to get any easier.

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Speaker 2: Every week that goes by. His emotions are going to

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Speaker 2: continue to heighten, his connections are going to continue to grow,

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Speaker 2: and the women's connections are going to continue. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a very interesting dynamic as this

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Speaker 2: season continues. Well. In the sneak peaks, we see what

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Speaker 2: we've been seeing from multiple weeks. Gary is having a

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Speaker 2: very difficult time processing a lot of these feelings, but

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Speaker 2: we also see a lot of good connections in him

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Speaker 2: being very happy and so we don't get a lot

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Speaker 2: from the sneak peaks, but we will be tuning in

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Speaker 2: every week and breaking it down here on the homost

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Speaker 2: Famous podcast. Today, we want to give a very special

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Speaker 2: thank you to Nana just because Grahama for coming on

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Speaker 2: walking us through this. She absolutely crushed it. It's a

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Speaker 2: big deal when you come on and over fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: people are going to listen to your voice now over

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Speaker 2: the next week, and and you did it so well.

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Speaker 2: My kids, Oh it's so good. They're going to be

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Speaker 2: your biggest fans. Nana, thank you so much, really appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: and you did great.

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Speaker 5: Oh, thank you, Ben, You're the.

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Speaker 2: Best with that. This has been another episode of the

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Speaker 2: Almost Famous Podcast until next week, when we'll be breaking

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Speaker 2: down Bachelor in Paradise, Bachelor headlines, more Golden Bachelor. I've

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Speaker 2: been Ben, We'll talk to you soon.

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