1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: My Guests on the Line Today is a former news writer. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: I love this because there's people always talk to me 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: about reinvent myself or transitioning. I've been called renaissance man. 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: I would call her the renaissance Lady on My show Today. 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: A former news writer for w x y Z TV 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: and Detroit, Michigan Motown and newswriter and associate producer for 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: k CBS TV and Los Angeles. She's a graduate of 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: UC Berkeley School of Law. She's also earned a bachelor's 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: degree in journalism from USC and a master's degree and 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: broadcasting from Northwestern. So fall our round, You're gonna get 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: lost this young Ladies on Fire. She writes fast paced 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: mysteries that tackle important social issues, which is really why 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: I have on the show because it's really cool the 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: way she's been able to do that and probably pull 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: people in and open their eyes about educating them. A 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: thriller Anybody's Daughter wanted the double a CP Image Award 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: for Outstanding Fiction. She's also writes writes on an assudent 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: name called Sassy. Sassy Sinclair now the author of the 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: award winning thriller Anybody's Daughter is back with an addictive 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: legal thriller that tackles bullying and it's devastating aftermath. What 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: really goes home behind school doors and failure to protect? 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Please work with the money making conversation, Pamela Samuel's young 23 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for having me. Gotta let you know. 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you some At the intro, I had to 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: you know something, what I will not do, Pamela on 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: my show, A short chance, short change people of what 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: they've done, because that journey to charge you know, l A, 28 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: you know education, tell us about that journey, you know, 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: because here's it took me seven years to get one degree. Okay, 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: you know what? And I don't you know. I grew 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: up in Compton and my product of the competent school system, 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: and I always saw education as my way. Um why 33 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: what what do you because? Because the people that just 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: talked me into saint education is your out, you know, 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: because I um, I I've read earlier on My mother 36 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: put books in my hand in first grade, the Book 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: of the Month club. You can get a book every month. 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: And I saw different worlds. I saw a world that 39 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: was different from mine. And to be honest with you, 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: as a young team, I saw my mother, women in 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: my mother's lives. I saw how um not having their 42 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: own independence changed their lives. You know. One one, one 43 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: of one of my aunt tustins became an alcoholic. Another one, 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: let's just tell it all molested, what a lested a 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: family member and then she's on her own and she 46 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: ends up in the projects. I mean, I just saw 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: all these women while I had a stable life, family life. 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: My parents have been married for fifty five years. I 49 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: had a stable life. I saw these other women's lives 50 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: be deshort. I saw I had a I had my mother. 51 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: One of my mother's cousins was a victim of fovel abuse. 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: And I said, okay, you know what, I gotta be 53 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: able to be able to have my own So I 54 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: knew as an early child that education was a way 55 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: for me to do that. And that's and I was. 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: I was off to the races. Wow, you know because 57 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: when I went So what did you what made you 58 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: choose the schools that you went for your education? Because, 59 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 1: like I said, your product of comptom was it trying 60 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: to get out of that environment just to see a 61 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: different parts of the world, just to be exposed. What 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: led you and also what led you to law. Um 63 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: okay I um, I had a chance as at attempting 64 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: high school or to spend a summer at USC. I 65 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: think as a tenth or eleven grade. Oh my god, 66 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: I was like, my what a world in UFC was 67 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: only thirty minutes from my house in Counting. But I 68 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: said that's where I wanted to go, and so I 69 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: was able to go back, and I set my sights 70 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: on USC. I don't think I applied to but a 71 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: couple of other schools and I got into USC and 72 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: that was that world. Um. And you know, I didn't 73 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: go to law school till I was thirty. I finished UM, 74 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: I said undergraduate and I pursued uh journalism and I 75 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: worked in TV for a while. But I had always 76 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: wanted to go to UM law school. But I didn't 77 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: know any lawyers. I didn't see a lawyers. And it 78 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: took me, uh seven years after after graduating, eight years 79 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: to to say, um, I can do this, because I 80 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: didn't have a confidence then. You know, there were no 81 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: lawyers in my families. I don't think I even talked 82 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: to a lawyer before making that decision. But one day 83 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: and and I had a real bad day in the 84 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: news room. The k didn't come up. A producer yelled 85 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: at me and something and something just said pick up 86 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: the phone, that we're gonna do this. And we go 87 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: back to the days when I was a news writer. 88 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: News writer, we were still using tape writers and think 89 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: it's the phone called and called, what do I need 90 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: to go to law school? Take you gotta take the 91 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: laws the mission test. I went to Barnes and Noble 92 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: about a study guide. I had three weeks before that 93 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: last test at the end of the year to study 94 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: for it. Study study, study, study, and got in got 95 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: decent enough score to get into UC Berkeley, So you know, 96 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: and and I had wanted to go all those years, 97 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: but nothing moved me until just getting the day. It's like, 98 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't you know what I need to do this? 99 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: And I was an older lawsuit most of my most 100 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: of classmates for twenty five and under when I was 101 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: in law school, and it was it was actually a 102 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: great thing that I was thirty because I was more 103 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: serious about it. I took, you know, it was just 104 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: and it wasn't. And even when I get interviewed for jobs, 105 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: because what you didn't mention. I spend my last twenty 106 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: five years working is an in house council for Toyota 107 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: and what um what? Then going to Luskoo was an 108 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: older student was a great thing because I think it 109 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: was a lot more mature, right right, right right. You know. 110 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: The thing about it is that being a leader that 111 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: made that age can often times make you the leader, 112 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: the natural leader. And because people are looking at you 113 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: saying you can have experiences that allow you to look different, 114 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: walk different, talk different. And so when I went out, 115 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm going through your bario they said, you're you're a 116 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: frequent speaker on these topics, which are really extreme topics. 117 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: They need to be talked about, child sex trafficking, bullying, 118 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: online safety, fiction writing, self empowerment, and pursuing your passion. 119 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: Let's break this down a little bit. Why are you 120 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: speaking on child sex trafficking? You know the book that 121 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: wanted No lap in an Image Award. Uh. The idea 122 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: for that came out of a conversation with the guy 123 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: back in I don't know two thousand and ten or 124 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: eleven who said kids were being trafficked in the US 125 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: and when nobody was talking about chise, that ex trafficking man, 126 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: and like, what are you talking about? No no, No, 127 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: that's the Mexico, that's the Philippines, that Russia. And he 128 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: said none of the other games, the games of trafficking girls. 129 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: And so I went home and began to research it, 130 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: and I was like, it blew me away, and it 131 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: was happening in our community that nobody was talking about it, 132 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: and that formed the idea for anybody's daughter, just like UM. 133 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: Christmas Day last year, friends to me an article about 134 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: two nine year old girls who had hanged themselves, and 135 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, what nine years old? How? What? How does 136 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: the nine year old know how to hang themselves? And 137 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: I ended up researching that and learned at the suicide 138 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: rate for African American kids under the age of twelve, 139 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: it's twice that of like kids, what what? What? How 140 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: could that be? And that brought me to right start 141 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: you to protect. I mean, while I like, I like 142 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: legal thrillers, um, but I also like to teach something 143 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: in my book. So UM, I try to give you 144 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: a good mystery, a good legal story, but at the 145 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: same time teach you something. And I think I've done that. 146 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: And before I get too for us say I want 147 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: to I don't think you remember we have a we 148 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: have a personal connection you and I because two of 149 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: my closest friends are rich Henderson and Tarapin. On that family. 150 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: You really need to stop talking about my sisters like 151 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: that in public now totally. And you don't remember back 152 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: in two thousand three were you and I were sitting 153 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: in Felicia Henderson's backyard at a party, had to be 154 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: two thousand three or four in Pasadena, in Pasadena. In Pasadena, 155 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: I had just gotten my first book deal and I 156 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: was not happy. I was not happy with the amount 157 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: of money and I had and you and I was 158 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: thinking about turning it down, and you said, so you 159 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: said the following to me. You said, you said, if 160 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: you only got one book to write, get your foot 161 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: in the door and take that. You know, if you've 162 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: only got one book to write, turned down that deal 163 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: and go back and shop it, get the best of 164 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: You can't say if you got twenty books in you 165 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: take that deal, get your foot in the door, and 166 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: you can you can make more money. Later you said, 167 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: you said, did anybody else offer your book there? And 168 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: I was like no. He said, you need to get 169 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: your foot in that door. And what I can't do 170 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: Man ninety eight sixteen years later, you and I are 171 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: talking about money making conversations because if I had turned 172 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: down that deal, who knew when my next deal would 173 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: have come? Well, you know, and this is first of 174 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: all you I love your energy. Were talking to you know, 175 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: my producers in the room when they listened to the 176 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: show as well. We love your energy. First of all, 177 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: You're just a natural passion that is crazy good. But 178 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: you know I remember that because Felicia, that's my I 179 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: call him my baby sister. Uh taught me how to 180 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: write the titcom you know. And then you have you 181 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: have Saraphiny Johnson, who I think saved my career. You know, 182 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: she brought me on to the Parkers as a consultant 183 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: at the time where I didn't know where I was, 184 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: and that right was right when I right before when 185 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: I started managing Steve Harvey and basically the rest is 186 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: history how how I impacted UM television and radio, social 187 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: media with him. But that's the period I met you, 188 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: and so I was still finding myself. But I was 189 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: very opinionated because people just always come up to me, 190 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: you know, because my voice was really big in Los Angeles, 191 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: and so when I was speaking to you, I remember 192 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: because you were not you. You felt you needed more. 193 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: You know you you feel and I get and I 194 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: get a lot of people like that. I always go, 195 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, because I always tell people, don't look at 196 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: what other people are making. Let's talk about you. Let's 197 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: let's keep it focused on you. Okay, okay, cool? You 198 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: know who? Why are you? Why are you all out 199 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: of out of whack with this deal here? It's a deal. 200 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: And I always tell people that I've done a lot 201 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: of things Pamela for free, to get the opportunity to 202 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: get paid and and so. And I always tell people 203 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: that I remember when I was at the Warner Brothers. Uh. 204 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: I remember I went to them, and I because when 205 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: I left Me and the boys, I was an executive 206 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: story at IT. And so when I it to Warner Brothers, 207 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: they kept me as an executive story at IT. And 208 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: I told I told the people that want to say, man, 209 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: just promote me. You don't have to pay me, just 210 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: promote me, because I knew it was more important to 211 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: have that versus income. The image I would project the image. 212 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: So my conversation when I was talking to you, this 213 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: is in Pasadena. I can clearly see you now because 214 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: that was you know, they sent me photos. She looks fairy, familiar, 215 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: she looks fair for me, and so and so. So 216 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: I always looking at everybody, trying to do my research, 217 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: because when I was talking to you, it was about 218 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: trying to slow you down and realize this is the 219 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: next day. I was to say, I don't want that. 220 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: Find something else and you and I thought about what 221 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: you said. I said, he's right, I got twenty books 222 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: in me. Let me take this, and and other people 223 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: I know still get rejection letters. Let me take this. 224 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: You saved me. Yeah, well, you know, you know the 225 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: thing about it. You listened, and so the same passion 226 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: that you have now is what I heard in that backyard. 227 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: And and also one thing about it. I always felt 228 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: that people who hung around Felicia and Sarah were cool people, 229 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: and so because they know I don't come out and 230 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: just just just just hang out and stuff like that. 231 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: So so you got that pass So so when you 232 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: were talking to me, we're going, okay, let me just 233 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: listen to what she said. So I just want to 234 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: walk off. She know, she let me. Just please listen 235 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: to me. You have an opportunity to do something that 236 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: nobody else has had its half right now, I don't 237 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: know what they're getting paid over there on the left side. 238 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: Get in, get your foot in the door, show the 239 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: world your gifts, and guess what We're on money making 240 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: conversations going in because and now what we're gonna do. 241 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this this book and how we're 242 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: gonna promote it, because that's what I do now. I'm 243 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: a marketer and I'm a brand, and I sell. I 244 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: promote people's UH values, and I promote their their brands. 245 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: I promote their products so they can be wealthy. I 246 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: think that's the key that we're trying to get. I've 247 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: been doing it for corporations like Forward State Farm Home Depot. 248 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: Now I'm doing it on money making conversations with individuals 249 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: and small businesses. And guess what, I'm happy, Pamela. I 250 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: am happy when we come back and we'll talk more 251 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: because now you know, she she got me all fired up. 252 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: Now now because now that that picture, now everything connect 253 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: the dot and I'm anna call Forelicia Henderson, who has 254 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: a development deal with twenty centry Fox right now, and 255 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: and then uh. I talked to Sarah a couple of 256 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: weeks ago when I was at the doing that that 257 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving spread for Kelly Clarkson show. She bought all my groceries. 258 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: So this is cool. This is cool. We're right back 259 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: more money Making Conversations Rashan McDonald and my girl, Pamela 260 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: Samuel's young hw This Rashan McDonald. You're listening to Money 261 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: Making Conversation. My podcast, my radio show is syndicated. It's 262 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: on Series ex Samson Alexas on Spotify. There's a lot 263 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: of formats out there that are vuying to put me on, 264 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: and I'm happy to put them on because it allows 265 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: my message to be meet more people. And that's the 266 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: whole purpose of money Making Conversations to interview individuals, allow 267 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: them to share their stories, and I don't want their 268 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: story to become your story because their stories are unique. 269 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: Their patterns to and how they achieve success is the 270 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: gifts that God gave them. Your gifts are different. They 271 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: may be similar in the genre, or the range, or 272 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: or the thought process, but your gifts are difference. So 273 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: achieved the amount of work that you can achieve based 274 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: on who you are and what you can achieve. Right 275 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: before we left, Pamela share a story about when we 276 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: first met because when I was putting together a presentation, 277 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: her face looked for me, but I couldn't connect the thoughts. 278 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: And one of the conversations that came out of the 279 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: conversation when I first met her Seraphity Saraf Johnson complete 280 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: that last name, Felicia Henderson. Met her in the backyard 281 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: of Felicia Henderson House, and my whole conversation, I've always 282 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: told the people, stop looking at other people's yards, stop 283 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what other people are making. Look 284 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: at your offer and figure out what you want to 285 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: do with that opportunity. And that's what our converse station. 286 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: And look at her now success, you know, because she listened, 287 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: and so many people I don't want to listen because 288 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: they want to run on their wine and complaint I 289 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: should get more. I have more value. I have done 290 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: a lot of free stuff. I have been all over 291 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: the country telling jokes for seven or five dollars. I've 292 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: gotten on planes and just showed up for meetings that 293 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: it would just meets. They would just create relationships. And 294 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, that's how it really works in this business. 295 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: It is truly relationships. Correct, Pamela, that's right, that's right. 296 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: It's who you know, because you know it's you know, 297 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, I may go to Smithy said, oh you 298 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: do all these book club meets. Why would you go 299 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: spend um uh two hours meeting with five women you 300 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: never know? I have got I've got gone a book 301 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: club meeting spinner in five minutes. Where I just did 302 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: a book club meeting with a group in Jackson, Mississippi. 303 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm on the phone with them for an hour. One 304 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: of them recommended to somebody, now, somebody from Jackson's flying 305 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: me out in April to be a keynote speaker for 306 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: their event. So you know what it's it's each on 307 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: poor one. You don't never know connection. It's not about 308 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: the money, give me this before I do that. But 309 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: also it's also that devaluing the opportunity, because that's what 310 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: people do. You know, somebody walking the room, well, I 311 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: don't think that might be the person who can who 312 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: makes the decision that you would be rude to. Okay, 313 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: are you ignoring? Are you over here over over with 314 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: the happy group that can't make any decisions. They all 315 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: allowed and doing their things, but the decision makers in 316 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: the corner just just taking everything in, making everything happen, 317 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: and that's what it really is, and that's that's what 318 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: that's really compelled me to do this show. It came 319 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: telled me to do this show money Making Conversation because Pam, 320 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: I had so many cool experiences in my life and 321 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: everyone's been different. I met so many unique individuals like you, 322 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: and you know, Nick Cannon shares a similar story a 323 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: lot like Anthony's shares a similar story. There's so many 324 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: individuals who come on this show and reminded me of 325 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: ra Sean. You remember when I asked you this or 326 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: you memoration and I went, oh, yeah, it was so funny. 327 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was on the flight coming 328 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: from Philadelphia in September and Maori Hardwick, you know he 329 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: plays got some power and uh, he just happened was 330 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: in first class. He just happened to sit in the 331 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: window seat next to me and uh he and I said, 332 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: and I said, I managed Stephen Smith. If I said, 333 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, I know your boy o mariik uh you 334 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: know Stephen A. Smith, he goes, oh yeah, yeah, that's 335 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: my boy. And then he kept looking at me. He went, 336 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: you look familiar. I went, no, no, we never met. 337 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: We never met. And he said. He said, uh, yes, 338 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: we have. He said, I met you I was twenty 339 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: five years old. I said, I said, I said, huh 340 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I said, and he started Holly car 341 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: Carter che He started calling out name. I want yes, 342 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: I know that moting. He said yes. He said. I 343 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: used to hear hustle your conversations because man used to 344 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: give out advice. But I was at the time. You know, 345 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't right to really sit down and 346 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: listen to you. But the advice that you would give 347 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: out I used today and I realized that that's my life. Really, 348 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: that is who I am, you know, that is what 349 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: I do. This is this show is part of the message. 350 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: And when I talk to individuals like you to give 351 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: relatable stories that the reason I really love what you 352 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: do is that you're taking socially conscious issues and then 353 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: putting it into story, which to me is an education. 354 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: It means that allows people to believe that, okay, this 355 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: makes sense because so many things are fictionalized, and then 356 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: it doesn't have any credibility, so people that ignore it 357 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: that had never happened to me, And like you said 358 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: earlier in that interviewed about you, know, you know, kids 359 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: under African Americans, kids under toyl you know what I mean, 360 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: the suicide? Why what problems are they dealing exactly exactly? Well, 361 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'm having learned about this whole bullying thing. 362 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because because the first you know, 363 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing, six or stones don't worry 364 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: about it's not a big deal. But it's a different 365 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: it's a different generation of kids, and it's some different 366 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: stuff going on for you. And I weren't a lot 367 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: of times with a kids today see everything you know 368 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: when we were when when when we were raising I'm 369 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: sixty one and kid, you know when you come in 370 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: the room with stuff on TV, parents say this, brown 371 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: folks nothing to These kids are exposed to everything. And 372 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: then on top of that, they don't learn how to 373 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: fall and get back up. Everybody gets a trophy because 374 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: everybody is disappointed. Nobody you know, nobody know so so 375 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: they're not MATCHI kids. So they don't have any independence. 376 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: Parents are running them here in there, so they can't 377 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: think for themselves. So the first time somebody goes something 378 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: goes wrong at school, I see I personally that So 379 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: I have read this in where I think there's a 380 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: highly sensitivity and it's like a lot rights is over 381 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at all these pictures of these babies, 382 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: these babies taking what has the nine you don't know 383 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: how to hang themselves because they're exposed to too much. 384 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: For one right, you know, we have some work to do. 385 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: You know. It's really interesting because when I you know, 386 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: bullying hits home with me with my daughter. I remember 387 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: when she's being bullied by three boys in school, and 388 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: and I remember my wife, you know, she know she's 389 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: let me handless, let me handless. You know it. A 390 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: couple of weeks went by, you know, I said, it 391 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: has just been wrapped up yet, because you know when 392 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: Rushin goes in there gonna be a little different conversation, 393 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: could be a little bit different. And so you know, 394 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: there was a there was a school. You know, I 395 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: would just be real, like you said, keep it really, 396 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: gonna keep it real now. And so you know it's 397 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: one of those you know, religious schools. You know, they're 398 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: always praying and everything. So I came in there that 399 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: the principal school and the three teachers were in there 400 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: and myself and and I said, well, to my understanding, 401 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: My wife has been discussing the bullying incidents that have 402 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: been curring to have been happening to my daughter. She's 403 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: not happy. I said, uh, I said, you guys know 404 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: about these little boys here. And then I remember the principle, 405 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: said can we pray? I said, no, we're not gonna 406 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: pray right now. I said, maybe after I'm finished with 407 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: this conversation I have with you guys. If y'all feel 408 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: like praying with me, then then we're good. But we're 409 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: not gonna act like I care a BYuT what's going 410 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: on in the school with a pray. So they went, okay. 411 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: I told him teachers, I said, look, I told him this. 412 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: I told him, look, I said, you're doing a disservice. 413 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: I said, oh, y'all doing this service as a young man. Okay, 414 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: because we're there. And then I don't know where their 415 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: parents and I don't care about their parents. All don't 416 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: know if they go to school with my daughter. And 417 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: I said that that's what happens, and and and and 418 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: and believe me, the next day they stopped bullying my daughter. 419 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: They all apologized because because I stepped in and was 420 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: honest about the situation. When I look at situation. And 421 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: guess what, my child could have been one of those 422 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: under twelves that you're talking about, because she's exposed to 423 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: a lot and a lot of it's not good. Okay, 424 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, and and and so so I say, a 425 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: lot of it goes back to parenting. You know, we 426 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: get so caught up in the you know, two two 427 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: parents work in the household. We turned these schools into 428 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: babysitting centers, you know, instead of we dropped them off 429 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: early for the school opens, pick them up late, schools 430 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 1: way closed, and so they getting you know, put them 431 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: on the school bus. And don't hear that the school 432 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: bus situation is not a good situation. And I hear you. 433 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: And when I hear that, I go with Sean, But 434 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: didn't that kind of happened when yes, it did happen 435 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: when I was growing up. But I didn't have social media. 436 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: I didn't have I didn't have Internet, I didn't have 437 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: all kinds of things that can drive me into a 438 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: box of craziness by being by showing me a reality 439 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: which was really a fictional reality because it's on YouTube exactly, 440 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: and so you know, and one thing somebody pointing out 441 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: recently is that in our day, the bullying actually gotta 442 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: reprieve when you went home because the bullying, you know, 443 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: the bullying stopped you at home. But today they're on 444 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: social media, on Instagram, and these kids are closing the 445 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: things that go kill yourself. Yes, we hate you Instagram 446 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: and Facebook, and it's like it's it's relentless. Yes, that's 447 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: what their young ladies don't encourt right now for telling 448 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: her boyfriend to kill himself. You know, you go go 449 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: to yourself. And now you're only trying to show her 450 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: that she had text messages she was telling him to stop, 451 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: but she did tell him to go kill himself. She 452 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: did say that though she may have tried to stop 453 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: a lot of those cases, there are a lot of 454 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: those cases and it's it's stunning. So so, so how 455 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: do you do your research for your books? Well, e 456 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: aentually when I read that first article, um, I uh 457 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: just and then I found a ton of them. So 458 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: then from there I went to I need to talk 459 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: to somebody. This year I talked to mental health professorals 460 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: and it's so amazing that I love just love people 461 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: because when you tell people you're trying to do something, 462 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: they think they're gonna help you. I reached. I ran 463 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: across the interview with a woman Donna, Donna Holland Barnes At. 464 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: Donna Barnes At. She's an associate professor piatry I think 465 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: at Howard University. She was more than willing to help me. 466 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: She also read the manuscript and was able to help 467 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: me tweak thing. I found another guy sports and um 468 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: he was a professor of psychiatriat knew you y have universe. 469 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: These people who and he read the manuscript, you know, 470 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: and they helped me with things that I just understand, Like, 471 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: for instance, in that community mental health professionals, they don't 472 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: like you to say committed suicide. They want you to 473 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: say died by suicide or took their own lives because 474 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: because we just commit it cast blame. And I didn't 475 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: understand commit. When you say somebody committed suicide, that means 476 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: you're casting blame on them that they made a choice, 477 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: because you don't think people committed cancer and people who 478 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: suffer from from who take their own lives. There is 479 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: a problem there and it is most likely depressions. We 480 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: don't diagnose. We don't look at childhood depressions. Um, Um, 481 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't even think about it. We don't, 482 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: you know. Um, a lot of these kids have have 483 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: have troubled life at home. Um, maybe there's there's things 484 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: with their parents. In my in my book, my my 485 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: thirteen year old character had lost her father six months earlier. 486 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: So kids since suffer from depression just like us. So 487 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: I I really wanted to to raise these issues because 488 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: if I had written a nonfiction book about bullying in suicide, 489 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: nobody would pick it up. And and I'm a little 490 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: afraid even now that people are all bullying all suicide, 491 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: I don't want to read that and shy away from 492 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: it because I was almost I was also trying to 493 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: promote it by not mentioning suicide. I was afraid it 494 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: was would scare people off. And my mentor said to me, then, 495 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: you know what you're doing the same thing that that 496 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: that that people are doing when they when we talk 497 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: about HIV and other things that we also people You know, 498 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: I know people who have died from HIV, and you 499 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: know that at the funeral, they'd be talking about cancer. 500 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: When we're hiding it. We're not talking about it. We 501 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: need to talk about it. Our babies are killing themselves 502 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: and we need to talk about it. And that's what 503 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: I hope, that's what I've tried to do. Wow, reading 504 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: about the death by suicide of two nine year old 505 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: girl sparked the idea of Pamela to write Failure to Protect. 506 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: The articles are attached My friend, UM, did now you 507 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: have a you have a version is out this month 508 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: for for young adults. This right, because I wanted to 509 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: write because there's a there's you know, I got give 510 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: it is what they want. Look checking this institude kids, 511 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: because you know, because my villain in the book is 512 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: a principle because a lot of times these these you know, 513 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: I love teachers and I love educators, and they have 514 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: a tough job. Okay, but there are sometimes I don't 515 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: want to deal with all that foolishness, Like in your situation, 516 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have had to go down there to solve 517 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: that problem. My villain was the principle to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 518 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: should they should have solved that problem. But my villain 519 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: is a principal who was a little bit more concerned 520 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: about her career and her and her her school being 521 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: being accused of bullying than dealing with this situation. Absolutely 522 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: that's true. And this because a younger, a young adult 523 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: version of failure to protect goals on sale this month. Now, 524 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: will you send me a link of banners so I 525 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: can put on my social media. I will absolutely do that. 526 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: And what I'm doing is I'm doing my own version 527 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: for Cyber Monday's. Like I have Paddler Bell in there. 528 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: I got a girl lovedy Love and there got Tina 529 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Live for she has a great book that I have 530 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: in there and know, so I'm doing my best. I 531 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: got ninety seven thousand fan club members, that's just that. 532 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: Then I got over eight hundred thousand fan club Facebook members, 533 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: so I got that. I got the Instagram, I got 534 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: the Twitter. So I'm just letting you know, Pamela, we 535 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: met in the backyard. In that backyard many years ago, 536 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: Felicia Henderson still my girl, Sarah Finished, still my little sister. 537 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you right now, I'm so proud of 538 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: what you accomplishing. My job right now is to continue 539 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: you down that path of success. So whatever you give 540 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: me and asked me to do for you, I honestly 541 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: will tell you right now, I will do it for you. Okay, 542 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm also that the audio book 543 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: goes on self. I'm I'm. I'm still a couple of 544 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: weeks away from the young adult, but the audiobook goes 545 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: on sale in ten days and young actor Larry Hering 546 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: is my narrator. Okay, cool, get the link to me 547 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: in ten days so we can put it out there 548 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: and get it sold. And like I said in January, 549 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: I willna put another one out, so like today, I 550 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: have one going out with Okay, like you go fight again. 551 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for calling money making conversations, and thank you 552 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: for reminding me