1 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Well, hey everybody, it is me Rosie o'donald Starr of 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: the Flintstones. I have to say, lots going on in 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: my life right now, so many issues involving rodents, I 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: mean squirrels. They are in the rodent family, and everybody 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: tells me that in my little messages on my social media. 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: But what I did was, I thought, you know, let 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: me get a bird feeder that takes pictures of the 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: birds and put it where the squirrels can reach it, 9 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: and I can get all these photos of you know, 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: because I have a hard time holding the phone and 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: getting the right angle while i'm doing you know. It's 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: so I thought this would solve my problem. But you 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: know what, it ruined everything. It really did, because first 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: of all, they don't they stopped having interest in me. 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: Here I was imagining that I really meant something to them, 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: that I am like a member of their universe, and reality, no, 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: they just want the nuts. They don't care about me, 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: you know. So I would go sit in the one 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: seat that I sat in when I was training them, 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: and they would come and look at me and then 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: run up to the squirrel feeder like screw you, o'donald. 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: You know. I was like, this cannot be happening, you know, 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: so I took down the bird feeder. I took it down. 24 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: I might put it up in the tree and get 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: pictures of the birds, and maybe that will be fine. 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: But I just feel as though it really caused tremendous 27 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: damage in my neediness of them. I like when they 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: come and take it from my hand. I feel like 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: snow white when it's going on. I like to give 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: them a little scratch underneath. I like to have a 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: connection with my squirrels. And you know, Laurie, the producer 32 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: of this podcast, said, you know, ro You've been doing 33 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: this for over twenty five years, and it's true. When 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: my show ended, I had my first squirrel, Shady, and 35 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: now I have four more in the backyard. And I 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: have to say I'm a much happier person now that 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: they're coming up and taking it right from my hand. 38 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: So there you go. Listen, we have a wonderful show today. 39 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I want to get right to it. How do I 40 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: begin to tell you about my guest today. He's one 41 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: of the most talented humans I know, honest to God, 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: and I've known him since we were both in our 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: very early twenties. His journey begins with the Grand Slam 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: winner of the very first season of Star Search. She 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: was twenty one years old and I was on the 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: following season and I met him and we became best 47 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: of friends. After he did Star Search and won, he 48 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: got a record contract with Motown and he did Broadway 49 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: shows and Tony's and Drama League Awards and People's Choice Awards, 50 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: and you know, he and legendary collaborators. He's almost from 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: another era in showbiz. He's best buddies with Liza Minelli. 52 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: He worked with Michael Jackson, Barack Obama. His credits are endless, endless, endless, 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: and you know, he is also an author. He is 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: an author of a book, The Substance of All Things, 55 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: and it is beautiful. It's a beautiful, beautiful book. He 56 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: is my friend of forty years. He has you know, 57 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: he has been there and I have been there, and 58 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: we've been through it all. We're going to catch up 59 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: and chat onward with me and Sam Harris right now. 60 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: Enjoy here. He is my friend, and yours Sam Harris. 61 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: High Sweeteartwadays, how are you really good? 62 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: There? You go? You look really good and you look 63 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: really happy. And when I saw you last, it was 64 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: such a wonderful little afternoon lunch because, uh, you know, 65 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: I miss you. I miss you and Danny and your 66 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: beautiful son who I totally fell in love with. Did 67 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: he like that hoodie? 68 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: I gave him the hoodie and I do too. 69 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: Of course you're kidding me now. We first met on 70 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: Star Search in nineteen eighty four. I was on you 71 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: were on eighty three, right, yeah, yes, And I remember 72 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: vividly watching you Sam with your toughsedo jacket and your 73 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: high tops and your adorable haircut, and your voice was 74 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to explain it. You have 75 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: what I considered to be the Internet voice, which which means, 76 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: here's my theory. Somebody like Ariana Grande, unlike you and me, 77 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: did not grow up having to wait once a year 78 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: to see the sound of music on TV. She could 79 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: just watch it over and over and over and then 80 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: mimic and listen and be inspired by and but you 81 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: didn't your age, and you had a voice that that 82 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: sounded like you'd been doing it for fifty years and 83 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: had like already reached the pinnacle of a vocal excellence 84 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: on story, don't you think that. 85 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: I mean, it was you know what we didn't have 86 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: We couldn't go on you know, YouTube, but we did 87 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: have records I believe in. And that's you know. I 88 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: would sing in my room all the time. And I 89 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: had a very very peculiar you know, I grew up 90 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: in the little town in Oklahoma, and I had this 91 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: very peculiar sense of I would listen to like Aretha 92 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: Franklin and Billie Holliday and and I listened to Edith Poff. 93 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: I mean, like, how did I know who Edith Poff was? 94 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. How did you know did 95 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 1: your parents listen? 96 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: Well, my grandmother gave me a Judy Garland at Carnegie 97 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: Hall record, which you know I played. You know what 98 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: I'm listening to this Billie Holiday, Judy Garland, Aretha Franklin. 99 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: These are people who sang with their soul. They sang 100 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: with honesty. And you know, yes, if I have a gift, 101 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: I think it's that I tell a story. I am 102 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: a lyric guy above all, I am a lyric guy, 103 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: and so the stuff that comes out of my mouth 104 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: is influenced by the lyric. I don't do like, you know, 105 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: riffs and things for the sake of them, like they 106 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: the lyric tells you what to do, right. 107 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: M Yeah, you were twenty one years old? Well where 108 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: did they find you? How did you? 109 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: I heard the story. I just heard this story. Steve 110 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: Stark was the talent searcher person and I was playing 111 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: in this dumby, dumpy, dumpy, little dark, nasty dive called 112 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: the Horn in Santa Monica, like the kind of place 113 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: you don't want to see the lights on, right, And 114 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: I was singing there for like twenty five dollars a set, 115 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: you know. And he was just looking around all these places, 116 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: and I just because I just reunited with Steve a 117 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: few weeks ago, we went to Vegas and saw Brad 118 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: Garrett and saw your brown together. 119 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you kidding? 120 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: It was amazing. Anyway, So Steve tells a story about 121 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: he was looking at all these little places and he 122 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: went to a pay phone because we didn't have cell phones, right, 123 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: and he called the producer Sam Riddle. You remember saying 124 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: oh yes, and he said he held the phone out 125 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 2: and said, listen to this while I was singing live. 126 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: I never knew that. So they called me in, but 127 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: Rowe I sang for them in this they were so unorganized. 128 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: It was the first year. It was a room like 129 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: a ten by fifteen room with eight people in it 130 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: behind the table, and they didn't have enough room for 131 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: the piano. The piano was in the hall. God and 132 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: I stood in the doorway and sang, I took us off, 133 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,559 Speaker 2: and they rejected me. No, like five times. I learned. 134 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: I thought that rejected me once. Steve told me that 135 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: they rejected me multiple times because he kept pushing and 136 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: I was too theatrical. I was too not. I think 137 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: they wanted sort of a cookie cutter pop thing. And 138 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: finally he said, I think this is gonna, you know, 139 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: get us some attention. 140 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: So now would be would in nineteen eighty three, you 141 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: would too theatrical be code words for too gay? Could 142 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: be because Sam Riddle told me that I was too 143 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: much of a tomboy to ever succeed in show business. 144 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Did he really to my face? Yeah, he said, well, 145 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: you'll never work in show business because you're too tough 146 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: and you're too much you know, too tough was the 147 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: code word that he that he used. And I remember. 148 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: Feeling too theatrical. 149 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, too theatrical? 150 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: No, no kidding, well maybe, yeah, and also but you remember, 151 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: you know, they didn't tell us. It's not like these 152 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: talent shows now where they dress you and they meant 153 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 2: to you and they talk about you know, and they 154 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: give them the catalog. It was so so simple and 155 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: so row. We got to do whatever we wanted. Yes, 156 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: they you know, I mean I got to choose my 157 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: material when I walked in with that outfit with the 158 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: tails and the sneakness and the high tops, and they, 159 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I got like, what right, right right? But 160 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: they didn't are you? And so I got to represent myself. 161 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: Did they? Hey? Did they? Did they look at your 162 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: material or in advance or sensor it or anything? Never? 163 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: We had ninety seconds and the clock ticked down from 164 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: ninety seconds right in front of you on the where 165 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: the judges were, and you had to be done before 166 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: it hit zero. So, you know, I was on a 167 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: bunch of times in a row, and by the you know, 168 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: I was twenty two. And by the time I was 169 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: on like the fifth or sixth time, I didn't have 170 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: any material left. And I would call friends, I called 171 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: friend comedians. But we were all young, you know. So 172 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: can I use that joke about the waterbed? Can I 173 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: use that and you know, and it was unbelievably life 174 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: changing for me and I know for you too, to 175 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: be shot in the stratosphere on a show at a 176 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: time when they were just introducing a new network. Right, 177 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: It's almost like that show that really propelled me into 178 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: working across the country, into being a headliner instead of 179 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: an opening act. You know, it was it was life 180 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: ult it was well, look. 181 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: At the time, I mean there were three four channels, right, 182 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: and so we had twenty five million people a week watching. 183 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: That's like, I mean, shows don't get that. Now they 184 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: get eight million. They're lucky, right and so, and people 185 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: love to root for people, and there was no other 186 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: talent shows on. Now there's twelve, right exactly. So what 187 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: did your family think? 188 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: Were you a kid who was encouraged because of your 189 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: talent to go and do this? Was your family supportive? 190 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: How did they react? 191 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: They were very supportive growing up, And you know, it 192 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: was a double edged sword because it was like supporting 193 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: my talent, but it was like, but my father was 194 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: He actually said to me that I needed to change 195 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: by the time I was thirteen. It was like I 196 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: was to a sissy. He actually used those words, Oh, sorry, 197 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: and you know, we all go through it, but they 198 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: were supportive in that. My mom, you know, it was 199 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: right by Tulsa, which was the biggest town, nearest city, 200 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: and so she took me to auditions when I was ten. 201 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: You know, they they did as much as was available, right, 202 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: But it was always with this a little but not 203 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: for my mom, but with my dad a little, with 204 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: a little sort of caveat, with a little warning, you know. 205 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: I remember once I was in the we were in 206 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: the car, my dad and I. We were playing the 207 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: radio and it was like whatever Aretha singing? Respect And 208 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: he turned to me and he said, why do you 209 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: have to sing in the same octave? And I said, 210 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: because I can't. 211 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but how great. I don't think my father 212 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: would have known octaves or you know, bunch lines or 213 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: anything show bins related. 214 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: You know. 215 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: Well, my dad was a band director, a high school band. 216 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: Roh how about that? 217 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: And my mom was, you know, she was like an 218 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: actress in high school. And we were talking about this 219 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: the other day, about laying on the floor in the 220 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: living room on the gold shag carpet and her reading 221 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: poetry to me. 222 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: No. 223 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And when I was in a play, she would 224 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: want to cue me, right, she would want to when 225 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: I was memorized in my life except Roe, she would 226 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: read all the other parts even if I wasn't in 227 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: the scene. She would. 228 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: Mom, I'm not on this page, doesn't matter, I'm not. 229 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little bit like that. 230 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of Sam Harris. Now, 231 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: when did you were you worried at that time about 232 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: like about gayness or being gay or people finding out 233 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: where you? Did you know you were gay that young? 234 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: Did you eat ten? No? No? When you were on 235 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: Star Search, like twenty one years old? 236 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 2: Oh? God, yes? Yes? 237 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: Or no? 238 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: In fact, because I left home when I was fifteen, 239 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 2: Oh I did not. I'd gone away for the summer 240 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: to do like a to do opry Land, and we 241 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: lied about my age because I was only fifteen and 242 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: my seat this is the thing my parents I called 243 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: my son is fifteen. I would never I can't imagine 244 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: letting my child just go and work and live somewhere 245 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: else at fifteen. Right, they did. And I don't know 246 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: if it's because they didn't feel like they had a choice, 247 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: because they had to respect. I needed to find my 248 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: own tribe. I needed to find others like me. I 249 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: knew it, but of course you know, you don't you 250 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: want to change it. But I was very luck. I 251 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: fell in love when I was sixteen, good for you, 252 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: and lived with the person I was in love with 253 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: when I was sixteen and seventeen. Wow, And it was funny. 254 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 2: There were four of us in the sharing an apartment 255 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: and I didn't know. His name was Scott, Scott Pierce, 256 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: and so Jason Graw Do you remember, you know Jason 257 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: grow from Broadway stuff anyway, he was from Tulsa to 258 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: We were newsboys and gypsy when I was ten anyway, 259 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: so he was an opu Land So I knew someone. 260 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: And so he and I were roommates in one room, 261 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: and Scott and this other guy were roommates in the 262 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: other room. So Scott and I were in the same show, 263 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: and we were starting to fall in love. And it 264 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: was so you know, sweet and simple and beautiful. And 265 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: one day when no one was home, I moved all 266 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: of Scott's stuff into my room and I moved all 267 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: of jason stuff into the other room. It was never mentioned. 268 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it, but. 269 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: I loved him, and it was the first time I 270 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: fell in love. And then when I came back for 271 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: this interim before I went back again, I left home 272 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: for good, I became very, very depressed. And it wasn't 273 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: so much it wasn't as much guilt about being gay 274 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: as it was that I had experienced love. And I thought, 275 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: in that climate of that time, that I would never 276 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: have it again, that I wouldn't be it wouldn't be possible. 277 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: The idea of marriage Jesus Christ, now give a child, Yeah, possible. 278 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: And so my depression was and I will never have this. 279 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: And I tried to take my own life, oh baby, 280 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: And obviously I was not successful. 281 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: Thank God. The only thing you're not successful at is that. 282 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: So that's good, it's good. 283 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: Hard. 284 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: Well, you've had such a career, honey, you've had such 285 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: a career, But you tried to take your life. Did 286 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: your parents know? Was it a big thing? A hospitalization? 287 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: Was it? 288 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: No? They didn't know. Well what happened. I took I 289 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: got pills from this kid at school second all, and 290 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: I took like twenty or thirty or whatever. He gave 291 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: me a little sandwich baggy and then my brother my 292 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: parents were out for the night. My brother stepped on 293 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: my grandmother's darning needle and it broke off in his 294 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: foot and he was screaming, and I was the only 295 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: person to help him, and I went and threw up 296 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: and threw up and helped him, and then neighbors came over, 297 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: and then I drank a pot of coffee. And they 298 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: hadn't been in my system long enough to completely take effect, 299 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: but it was like a godsend. It was like a protection. 300 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: Somebody was protecting you something, yes, something big. 301 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: And by the way, not to bring this down, but 302 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: just to touch on it. That little baby boy, that 303 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: little baby brother died a few weeks ago, only fifty 304 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: seven from what from what? From congestive heart failure, but 305 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: a very troubled soul, but ultimately the essence of him. 306 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: God talented. Oh my god, I think I'm talented. This 307 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: kid is like he broke, he produced, he sang, he 308 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: was amazing. And I just got back from his memorial 309 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: with my mom and it was a I don't want 310 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: to stay too long on this, but there ain't nothing 311 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: like a sibling. Baby. 312 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: Yes you know, yes, you know. My oldest brother Eddie 313 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: went through that three years ago and we almost lost 314 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: him and he was in a coma. They put him 315 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: in a coma and no, oh but he now he 316 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: has an el vat. You know what that is, a 317 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: pump in your. 318 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: Body, and my brother wouldn't get it. 319 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: Well, he got it, and he has it and he's 320 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, doing well, and supposedly he's going to get 321 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: a heart transplant at sixty three. And yeah, but I 322 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: never have felt the dread and panic of the concept 323 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: of losing him. I couldn't. I couldn't get stable or 324 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, around around that topic. I was beside myself. 325 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: So I we don't. We can leave it because it's 326 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: too heavy. 327 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: You know, it's too exactly talk about it. 328 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 329 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: First of all, I finished and loved your book, Sam Harris. 330 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: You are such a good writer. You are such a 331 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: good I read this book and I was like, this 332 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: is a movie. I can see this in my mind. 333 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: It read like some kind of famous, successful novelist who 334 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: who threw these out like John Irving, just throw another 335 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: one out, like you know, Pat Conroy, right, And my god, honey, 336 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: I was blown away the substance of all things. How 337 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: did this book come about? Was it delivered to you 338 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: like a song is to an artist? Because it feels 339 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: like you were channeling something. 340 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, thank you, and you were texting 341 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: me as you were going through it, and it meant 342 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 2: so much to me that you were so moved by it. 343 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: After I wrote my first book, which was a memoir 344 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: ham Yes, which then became a show, which then became 345 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: a TV thing, I went through a writer's block and 346 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: I don't do I mean, I kind of like, Okay, 347 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: I'm assigned to do something, I have to do something, 348 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: and I just it just this. I didn't know what 349 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: to write because my editor, my publishers Simon and Schuster, said, 350 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: we don't want you to write another sort of David 351 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 2: SADARISI kind of thing, essays and stuff. We want you 352 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: to write fiction. You have the chops. We want you 353 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: to write fiction. I was dead. I couldn't. I had 354 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: no concept of that. It sounds so large writing fiction, 355 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: and so I could get past it. And actually Danny 356 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: and I were at for you listen as Danny as 357 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: my husband and write some friend's house. Yes he is 358 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: Doug and Paula's. And I was telling my friend Doug. 359 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 2: He said, well, you don't normally you just kind of 360 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: go and I said, I can't get attached to anything. 361 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: And he looked at me and he said, Okay, let's talk. 362 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: And he started talking about my childhood and in Oklahoma 363 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: and growing up and different things and this there's an 364 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: essence of autobiographical stuff in this. I don't want to 365 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: I don't really want to touch on it. But what 366 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: it did was inspired me to start thinking about this 367 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: time of my life. And I said, do you have 368 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: a legal pad in the bed and so for instead 369 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: of spending the evening with our friends, I sat in 370 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: a corner and started writing notes. And then it was 371 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: kind of like what you said, It just started kind 372 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 2: of coming, and thankfully I typed very fast, and sometimes 373 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going to happen until it happened, 374 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: and I didn't know what they were going to say 375 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 2: until they said it. I had a broad view of it. 376 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 2: But then, as you know, it's in two parts. It's current, yes, 377 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: where it's the adult. THEO is the protagonist who's a therapist, 378 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: and it looks back on his life as a twelve 379 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: year old boy in rural Oklahoma in nineteen sixty nine. 380 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: And I only wrote the old the first one, the 381 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: boy book first, and then my editor said what happens 382 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: to THEO. Mike, what do you mean? He said, what 383 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 2: happens to him? 384 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? 385 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: And then I started thinking and then I wrote the 386 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: whole second part and it just kind of came together. 387 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: It was I write fast and I edit slow. 388 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: Got it, you know? Yeah? 389 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: But thank you, thank you. This book means it's my finest, 390 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: the most proudest work of anything I've ever done. 391 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: Listen, see it blew me away, Sam, It blew me away. 392 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: I was unprepared. I did not see you at all 393 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: in the book. I didn't think that there was auto. 394 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: I was transfixed by these characters with deformed hands and 395 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: and the scary man in the house, and like, I 396 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: was completely enthralled in this book, and I found I found, 397 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: I was like, I was stunned. What are you going 398 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: to do with it? Please tell me you're making it 399 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: into something. Are you allowed to talk about this part? 400 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to be specifics okay, but I can't 401 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: tell you that it is in development for a film. 402 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: First it was brought to me or said to me, 403 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: this is a mini series, okay, like a limited a 404 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: limited series. And so I wrote it. I wrote it 405 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: in five parts in five hours. I'm not five yeah, 406 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: five out. I didn't write it in five hours, right, 407 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: come on now, mister. And so when that was done, 408 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: then I took it to this uh this studio guy 409 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: and he read the first two episodes and said, I 410 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: was wrong. This is a feature. Well that's what I 411 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: preferred anyway. But if I hadn't gone through the process 412 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: of editing a four hundred something page book into five hours, 413 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: I never would have been able to bring it down. 414 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: To two right, right, you know. 415 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: So it really was a part of that, and that's hard. 416 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: You have to get rid of You have to get 417 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: rid of things that aren't essential. And I wrote him 418 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: once and I'm like, there is a trailer behind me 419 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: of blood. 420 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, but you have to do that now. Now, 421 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: are you the only writer or do they you're the 422 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: writer of the screenplay? 423 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: I am. And I didn't want to do it really 424 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: because I'm at an age where I'm at an age 425 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: where I'm like, you know what, I don't really want 426 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 2: to wear all the hats. I don't need to do it. 427 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 2: I want somebody better than me. I want somebody who's 428 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: going to bring things to it that I can't possibly 429 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: that can see from the outside, I adamantly didn't want 430 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: to do well. They said you're the only person can 431 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: write it, and I did. I was reticent, and then 432 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 2: I got demogan. I had nothing to do, so I 433 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 2: wrote the So so I wrote it. And the next 434 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: steps is now we're in development. Uh, there are directors 435 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: in mind, there are some casting things in mind that 436 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: you and I have shared. 437 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: Which is wonderful. Every choice is wonderful, every choice, Thank you, honey. 438 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: And I wish you nothing but the best with that, 439 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: I really do I I I think it's gonna again 440 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: launch you into a different career path than you've had 441 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: up till now. You've you've done so many things, honey, 442 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 1: Broadway shows, movies, musicals, like you've done so many things, 443 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: and that you also have this in you is astounding, 444 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: it really is. Now, where about me? Where about the 445 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: same age you and May and we are? And why 446 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: one year? Come on? 447 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 448 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: Now do you think about what you want for this 449 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: final third chapter of our lives? You know thirty to sixties, 450 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: you know thirty one to thirty, thirty to sixty, and 451 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: now on what do you want? 452 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 2: I noticed you. I noticed you don't say thirty or 453 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: whatever it's to thirty, thirty to sixty and sixty to ninety. 454 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: You didn't say that, You just said sixty on. 455 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: Well, because I can't imagine living to ninety. I can't imagine. 456 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: Oh right, you know the O'donnald's. They don't survive that 457 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: long usually, but you never know. 458 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: You never know you're a survivor. 459 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: Correct. 460 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: When my son was born in two thousand and eight, 461 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: I knew. I made the choice not to be on 462 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: the road and concert. We were living in Los Angeles. 463 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: I made the choice not to go to New York 464 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: to do Broadway show because it would up end my family. 465 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: And you know, with a Broadway show, you don't know 466 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: if it's going to close in two weeks. Correct, And 467 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 2: so I made a choice. And that's how the first 468 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: book came about. Because I could be here, I could 469 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 2: be a parent, and I could and you know, I mean, 470 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 2: I've sacrificed some things for myself, but certainly not regrettably. 471 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: So you talk about this third chapter. I love I 472 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: will always sing, of course, I will always sing. But 473 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 2: I love writing. I love you talking about this chapter 474 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: with the writing. I love writing, I love directing, and 475 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 2: so as much as I and I love acting, you know, 476 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: I love being you know what's funny, and I think 477 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 2: you're exactly the same way. Whatever I'm doing is what I. 478 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: Love the most, exactly at the moment, correct. 479 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 2: You know, whatever I'm doing is like, oh, this is 480 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 2: what I this is what I want to do. Because 481 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 2: if I was doing a new show, which I would 482 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 2: love to now Cooper's fifteen and what I do at 483 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: Broadway show, now, yeah, I'll schlep them over and we'll 484 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: figure it out. And if that's what I was doing, 485 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: then that would be all I want to do. But 486 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: looking outside of that love, I love the process of writing, yeah, creating. 487 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: And the book again is the Substance of All Things. 488 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: You can get it at Amazon or if there is 489 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: a bookstore in your town you're lucky, go to it, 490 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: support it. If not, you know, click your way to 491 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: this beautiful, beautiful book, The Substance of All Things by 492 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: Sam Harris. So more with Sam Harris after this. I 493 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: love the way you do family, Sam. You do family 494 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: in a beautifully consistent way, prioritizing all three of you 495 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: and the friends that you hold dear like family. And 496 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: it's admirable and you you've done a lot to protect it. 497 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: And it's very uh touching to me to see how 498 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: committed you are to being a present parent and partner. 499 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: Thank you especially from you, because you are above all 500 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: family and you always have been. Yeah, and I remember 501 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: when your first babies came yes, and you keep getting 502 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 2: new ones. 503 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: I know, and now at almost sixty two. I got 504 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: a call the other day and the guy was like, 505 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: do you know anybody? And I'm like, please, don't, don't 506 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: call me and ask me this. It's too tempting, it's 507 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: too like even though I know that's what every single 508 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: friend and therapist says, don't you dam But now with 509 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: little Clay, I have my hands full, you know, in 510 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: a way that I never did before. 511 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: Well, but now you're ready for it. I don't know 512 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: that you would have been ready for this prior to this, 513 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: and it's confusing. And Clay is extraordinary. And they are 514 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: smart and funny and creative and complicated, complicated and complicated. 515 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: But you know what comes with you know, like my 516 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: parents have me when they were you know, in their 517 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: early early early twenties. And the great thing about that 518 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: age when you have kids is you have all this energy. 519 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: But the great thing about our age is you know 520 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: how to utilize less energy to be more effective. Yes, 521 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: and we have that life experience, and in your case, 522 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 2: particularly that parent experience. You know they're going to be okay. 523 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: You go step by step, day by day, and you 524 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: do it beautifully. When I watch you with them, it's remarkable. 525 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: Well, you know, and I it's it's something that you know, 526 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: my shrink said that, you know the death of your 527 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: mother you're still trying to recover from by mothering. You 528 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: just keep mothering because you never got to do that 529 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: story as the way you wanted it. And I have 530 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: to tell you that this January they turn eleven. And 531 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: I was so worried that during her tenth year I 532 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: was going to die, like happened to me. 533 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: Oh honey, yeah. 534 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: So I'm so happy to get to January seventh because 535 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: I know it's like, okay, we're out of that danger 536 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: zone now, God knows. You know, that's magical thinking. But 537 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: it was hard for me. It was hard for me 538 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: to you know, and that's why I moved to Malibu 539 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: and took care myself in a different way and got 540 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: a chef, and you know, I want to commit myself 541 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: to being here for her, you know, for them. 542 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: Isn't it easier? Yes, isn't it easier? Times? And I 543 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: know it's not supposed to be this way, Well, I 544 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: guess it is. It's easier to do it for someone else, 545 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 2: particularly our children, because you experienced that at ten years old, 546 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: and you want to be around as long as you 547 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: can be and healthy and present. Yes, you know. 548 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean. 549 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 2: My mother is eighty five. I moved her from Oklahoma. 550 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say I moved her. It was all of 551 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: her own volition. My father died four years ago. We 552 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: kind of thought that she was going to spring from that, 553 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 2: but then COVID happened. Then her best friend died from COVID, 554 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: and then she was sequestered. And so now she said, 555 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: I want to move here. And I was so grateful 556 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: because I realized that since I was sixteen years old, 557 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: I've never spent more than two weeks a year with 558 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: her because of holiday you know what I mean. Now 559 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: I get her full time. But having lost my brother, 560 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter how old you are, how old 561 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: the child is, it is. It is something beyond my 562 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: understanding of grief. Yes, a parent losing their child, but 563 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: I see it and I watch it and I am. 564 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: It's our job to take care of them, but it's 565 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: our job to take care of us. We want to 566 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: be around, We want to be there for any circumstance. 567 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: And as we know, it's up and down and sideways, 568 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: and you just roll with it and you love, love, love. 569 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: And that's what you do. Really well. Cooper is adored 570 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: and it's obvious. He is a secure, handsome, tall, you know, strapping, strapping, 571 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: young athletic boy, and he just moves with a confidence 572 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: that comes from being cherished. You know. 573 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: Well, I thank you. But you know, when he was 574 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: very little and I would sing to him, he would 575 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: put his hands over his ears. I'd be like stop, 576 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: and I would be do you do you know who 577 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: I am? 578 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? 579 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 2: Do you have any idea? 580 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: Yes? People pay, people pay to say Daddy, do this. 581 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: And it's free for you. Yeah, and you don't want it. 582 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: It was hysterical. He's not into theater at all, my kids, 583 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: he's not into my kind of my kind of music. 584 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 2: It's like, who where did the swat? Yeah thing? They said, 585 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: nature nurture. It's totally nature with him. But you know, he, 586 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: like you said, he's totally six to one yeah, and 587 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: a couple of times ro he has puff gotten up 588 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: close to me in my face, had kind of puffed 589 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: up like and I'm like. 590 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: Oh, buddy, you're crossing a dangerous line. 591 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: Dave, I said, you will never be bigger than me. 592 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: Well, you know, that's his first year in therapy right there, right, 593 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: he's going to be you know what my father said 594 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: to me, you know exactly. Yeah, it's amazing. How is 595 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: it having your mom around? How do you just love 596 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: every moment of it? Is it just all you've dreamed? 597 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: Because I imagine my mother being alive, and what would we 598 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: be doing, how would it be working? You know? And 599 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: so I think it must be glorious. 600 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: It's it is glorious. She lives ten minutes from me. 601 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 2: I see her almost every day. We talk several times 602 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: a day, and I am so grateful. I'm so grateful. 603 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: She's a joy, she's funny, she's smart, she fetches about everything, 604 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 2: and we just kind of try to find a less 605 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: She's in a retirement place, right, yeah, independent living, and 606 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: so she's found a network of people good. And I'm 607 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 2: so grateful that she came here in August and three 608 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: months into my brother dying, because she's settled. She does 609 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 2: have a network and I can't imagine her being in 610 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 2: that town because they lived in the same town San 611 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: Springs without him, yass without him and sitting in her 612 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 2: house alone, and then I would have had to bring 613 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: her here now anyway. So it is a blessing. It 614 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 2: is a blessing. And Roe, I will say to you, 615 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 2: I know that you believe this. You talk about what 616 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: would be be doing, and your mother is doing everything 617 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 2: with you. I know that she's in your heart. You 618 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 2: carry her with you, and you know, I know you're 619 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: honest about everything. But the issues with your dad and 620 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 2: all that stuff is completely your mother's relationship supersedes all 621 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 2: of that, right, and it's with you, and just like 622 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 2: my brother, we carry it on. Yes, And you know 623 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 2: what the other thing about being a parent is it 624 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: makes you a better person than you really want to be. 625 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: Yes, you have to. You know, you got to show 626 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: up to them. I don't always show up for myself, 627 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: but I will show up right right. 628 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 2: Well, even just like modeling behavior. This morning, I was 629 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 2: taking into school and it's very trafficky, and he's like, 630 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 2: I've got finals, I've got finals today, And he's not 631 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: really he's very low key, much more low key than 632 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 2: Danny and me. So we're driving and there's a lot 633 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 2: of traffic and I'm letting people in. Yeah, lane, what 634 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 2: are you doing? What are you doing? And I said, 635 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: there's always time to let someone in. It's going to talk. 636 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 2: Take us ten seconds difference. Now, if he wasn't in 637 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 2: the car, I might be like, go on my way 638 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: by yes. Yes, but they make us be our best person. 639 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 2: And it's actually true that they make us be our 640 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 2: best person. We're not with them. 641 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Clay was very upset about all the 642 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: homeless people that they saw on the way to and 643 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: from school, and they're like, you know, we have to 644 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: do something. We have to do something. Every time I 645 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: see a homeless person, I say to her do you 646 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: think they need money? And they will say yes, you know, 647 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: or sometimes they say no, which I think is interesting. 648 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: But my giving her the chance to make a difference, 649 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: it makes a difference to her and to them, and 650 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,919 Speaker 1: we don't. They don't like it, so or from either 651 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: day I'm doing it, they I'm doing the best. Second, 652 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: they are not very brave in public places like stores, 653 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: is a big over stimulation for them. And just last 654 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: week we were at the gas station and they wanted candy, 655 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: and I said, do you want me to give you 656 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: the money and you go in and do it yourself. 657 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: And they looked at me and they said, do you 658 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: know me at all? I was like, I'll come with you. 659 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: I'll come with you, I'll go together. 660 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 2: You're talking about I have to do a plug for 661 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 2: an organization. Go because you're talking about the homeless. And 662 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 2: if you want to be in touch, if you live 663 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, it's called Food on Foot. And every 664 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 2: Sunday for the last twenty years come rainshine, hell, high water, whatever. 665 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 2: The homeless come and they are provided with you know, 666 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 2: food and essentials and hygiene things and stuff, and volunteers 667 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 2: come and give out things. They walk down with bags 668 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 2: and you have a one on one experience looking someone 669 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 2: in the face. It gives them a program to themselves settled. 670 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 2: They give them thousands of dollars and help fight find 671 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 2: apartments and jobs. And the people who go through this 672 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 2: program then become mentors for other people. Food on Foot. 673 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: Food on foot definitely. Now can anyone show come and 674 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: do with us? That's what I was going to say. 675 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: I would I would bring them with me. 676 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 2: Can the kid go okay? Yes, yes, yes, yes. And 677 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 2: here's the thing. You go on food on foot, find 678 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 2: it on the web, and you pay like twenty five 679 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,720 Speaker 2: bucks to come and volunteer. Cooper and I go often. 680 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 2: It's really important. He was very scared and nervous in 681 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 2: the beginning. These are strangers, some of them not in 682 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 2: the best shape, and it has taken down some of 683 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,959 Speaker 2: that fear of the unknown. But I do bring friends 684 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 2: and stuff, and so you and Clay are going to 685 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 2: come with me, and I assure you it will have 686 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 2: an effect on them. 687 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you Yeah, show's face to face. You're with 688 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 3: people one on one, writing one check. Yes, it's a 689 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 3: one on one thing. I want to be on the 690 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 3: same playing fields as all the other humans I love 691 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 3: so much, you. 692 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 2: Know, because we ain't so spacial larm No. 693 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: We ain't, honey. And I don't even know if I 694 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: want to what you were saying at the beginning, if 695 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: I want to work now in this final third of 696 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: my of my life, like I have this little one 697 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: and they need my presence in a very big way. 698 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: I kind of need to stay home. I love doing 699 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: this podcast, getting to talk to my friends, getting to 700 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: talk to new people, things that interest me, topics that 701 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: are hard, and I get to do it at my 702 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: house like this. It's like the perfect, the perfect thing 703 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: for me. So what I'm doing I love, as you said, 704 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: and this is what I'm doing now, and I want 705 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 1: to thank you for coming on it too, honey. 706 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 2: Thank you absolutely. You know when you asked me to 707 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 2: do this, and you asked me right after you read 708 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 2: the book, You've got to come on yet. 709 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: Now. I love the book, honey, and. 710 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 2: I'm grateful, and I love you so much. I really listen. 711 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 1: I did back. We go back to the very beginning 712 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: of our careers, and you know what, let's do the 713 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: end of our careers as Bestie's juke, because I would 714 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: guarantee you. I promise, all right, honey, I love you 715 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: so much. The substance of all things is the book 716 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: that you can get someone you love for Christmas. They 717 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: will fall in love with it. And thank you and 718 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: I love you. I love Danny, I love Cooper. And 719 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: we'll see each other after this New Year's what. I 720 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: love you, Thank you, Sam Harris. We'll be back with 721 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: more after this. Oh geez, I love that guy. I 722 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: really do. Okay, listen. So we're not going to do 723 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,839 Speaker 1: any questions today because when we come back from our 724 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: holiday break on January sixteenth, the entire show will be 725 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: me answering or listening to you and your comments and questions. 726 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite parts of Onward. I never 727 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: get to see the questions before I hear them live, 728 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: and we sometimes feel like I wish we had more 729 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: time to do more questions. So we're doing a whole 730 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: show with your voice memos. We'll play some of the 731 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: old ones we never got to and some new ones 732 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: that you guys are about to send in. Send in 733 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 1: your questions and comments, please, please, if you can keep 734 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,399 Speaker 1: them under two minutes, it would be really easy for 735 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: our editor because we hate cutting it out. We want 736 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 1: to keep it succinct and not edit what you guys 737 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: want to talk about. Send me a voice memo, send 738 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: it to Onward Rosie at gmail dot com. And before 739 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: I go, I wanted to thank everybody for being so 740 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: supportive in this adventure. You know, I said Onward, you said, okay, 741 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: let's and here we are. It means the world to 742 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,919 Speaker 1: me to be with you guys while we stumble through 743 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: this wacky and sometimes way too dark universe together knowing 744 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: we have each other's backs. However, we can, especially if 745 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: we listen to each other and work together to protet 746 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: humanity with love and acceptance. And it's a requirement, right 747 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,720 Speaker 1: it should be. I wish nothing but the best for you, 748 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: your family's health, happiness and peace. Merry Christmas, happy Kwansa, 749 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 1: happy Holidays, happy Hanukkah that already passed, celebrate it all 750 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: and have a wonderful, happy, safe New Year's. I will 751 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: see you in twenty twenty four. Until then, this is me, 752 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: Rosie O'Donnell on. Onward, peace Out,