WEBVTT - Sam Acho: Let The World See You

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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<v Speaker 1>the players, by the players. Here's your host, four team

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<v Speaker 1>year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Enius Williams. Hello, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I am a Nius

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<v Speaker 1>Williams the day. We're joined by NFL linebacker Sam Acho,

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<v Speaker 1>a man who has made a tremendous impact on and

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<v Speaker 1>off the field, and who's written a new book, let

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<v Speaker 1>The World See You, which hits the bookshelves October thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a pandemic. Welcome Sam, and he

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<v Speaker 1>is man, I'm so glad to be here. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>glad to be doing this with you. Obviously, we go

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<v Speaker 1>back a little bit with the Arizona Cardinals connection, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're an Arizona Cardinals legend and I got a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to play there for four years, and uh, just knowing

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<v Speaker 1>the man you are and what you stand for and

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<v Speaker 1>what you're all about, I couldn't be more excited to

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<v Speaker 1>be here with you. Well, let's start out with the

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<v Speaker 1>elephant in the room. You're a free agent and were

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<v Speaker 1>recorded this before Week five season. Where's your head in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of playing are becoming a legend. That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great question. Yeah, we're recording this. It's week

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<v Speaker 1>it's getting up to week five and the NFL season season.

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<v Speaker 1>And funny enough, before I get to the answer of

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<v Speaker 1>the question, last year, I was in a similar period

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<v Speaker 1>last year around this time, I was a free agent

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<v Speaker 1>and I was when I said I was stressed out.

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<v Speaker 1>Stressed out is an understatement because I was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time of me being a free agent. I was always Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I was on my last year. I was going on

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<v Speaker 1>year eight, and I always been on a team, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was things were fined, and for whatever reason, God

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<v Speaker 1>had me on the sidelines for a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 1>it got to a point last season when I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm ready to be done, ready to

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<v Speaker 1>be done playing. I want to move on. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do something different. And so I had a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with my wife. I was with the Bills for training

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<v Speaker 1>camp and I got released from the Bills and we

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<v Speaker 1>happened to stay up in Buffalo while we were kind

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<v Speaker 1>of getting calls from teams and training at a compa

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<v Speaker 1>with my wife, I said, hey, let's just go, let's

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<v Speaker 1>just move on. Let's do something different, and she was like, well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>my God is still opened the door for us. I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you know? Because I and so we have

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation on a Friday, right before we Kate. We

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<v Speaker 1>were still in Buffalo. We leave Buffalo, drive from Buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>to Chicago, where we had a place at a house

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago, and ready to go to Minnesota because one

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<v Speaker 1>of my buddies was starting a company in Minnesota. And

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<v Speaker 1>that weekend, right it was We're gonna leave on Monday

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<v Speaker 1>to Minnesota. And that same Monday, I got a call

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<v Speaker 1>from Tampa Bay to go sign with the Buccaneers. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I signed with Tampa last year literally the day

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<v Speaker 1>signed with Tampa, finish the season in Tampa last year

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<v Speaker 1>and was completely thinking I was gonna go back to

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<v Speaker 1>Tampa this year, but for whatever reason, I haven't. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>currently a free agent. And so you asked where my

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<v Speaker 1>head's at the elephant in the room and reality or

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<v Speaker 1>my head and my heart is at. I mean, it's tough, man,

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways. I'm ready to transition into

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<v Speaker 1>something new. Right the book, I couldn't be more excited

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<v Speaker 1>about let the world see You, how to Be Real

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<v Speaker 1>and a world full of fakes. I love that. I

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<v Speaker 1>love speaking encouraging people. Um so I know God's given

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<v Speaker 1>me a gift. But even as we speak, something in

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<v Speaker 1>my heart is not ready to say no. So what

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<v Speaker 1>is doing typical weekend routine now? As you prepare either way? Absolutely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So during the week, I'm training and doing some book stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously throughout the week, and then weekends I'm actually, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the first time I've done this. It is probably

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a shock to a lot of people. My

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<v Speaker 1>Sundays are spent only watching football. And I say this

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<v Speaker 1>is a shock because in the past I would never

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Last year, I couldn't watch games because I

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting there like I should be on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to be out there. I'm better than these guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And then when I was and then when

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<v Speaker 1>I was playing, obviously we would play on Sundays, and

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<v Speaker 1>if I was gonna watch games, i'd watch our opponent

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<v Speaker 1>or i'd watch something specific to what it helps make

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<v Speaker 1>me better as a player. But now I find myself

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a fan. I'm watching all the different games

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<v Speaker 1>at the NFL, like ticket the whole deal. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a little bit of a transition going

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<v Speaker 1>on in my heart. But that's my weekend routine. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Saturdays with the family kids. Sunday morning we'll hit up church.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad is a pastor, so we go to his church. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>socially distanced and all that stuff. And then from there

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<v Speaker 1>we're watching all the games. All right, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a strength conditioning coach, so how you stand mentally and

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<v Speaker 1>physically fit and ready to play? Absolutely? So. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>training at a place called XOS up in Dallas, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a facility of performer facility with about there

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<v Speaker 1>probably seven to seven to ten other guys who are

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<v Speaker 1>training with me are the free agents. A couple of

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball one baseball players training with us as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're all training together. We've got a meal plan set ups,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're eating right. We're training together. We'll do drills afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's one on one drills um or or well,

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of one on ones because if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>masks and stuff, but we'll do you know, linebacker drills

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, just to stay ready just in

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<v Speaker 1>case we do get that call. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the guys I've trained with have gotten calls, right there's

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<v Speaker 1>been probably three or four guys who have gotten calls

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<v Speaker 1>and now they're on teams. Other guys have gotten workouts,

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<v Speaker 1>and so physically mentally, um, I'm staying ready. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>the emotional and the spiritual part that are a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more difficult. And the Trust provide the xos as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you know about that? Absolutely, So that's all

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<v Speaker 1>through the trust, right, all through the NFL Trust and

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<v Speaker 1>our NFL p A trust and so yeah, a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, I was wearing my Trust shirt yesterday right

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<v Speaker 1>as I was working out, and so it's it's provided

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<v Speaker 1>being provided free of charge, and the meals are provided

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<v Speaker 1>free of charge. And I'm from Dallas and so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually it's been cool because of COVID. I've been just

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<v Speaker 1>last few weeks. I've been staying with family. Before I

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<v Speaker 1>was in Chicago training and Arizona training, and then I said, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see my family. And so my parents

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<v Speaker 1>and little cousins and nieces and nephews and sisters are

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<v Speaker 1>up here and so I've got a chance to see

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<v Speaker 1>them a lot more often. All Right, here's a big question.

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<v Speaker 1>If the full rings team calls, are there certain balls

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<v Speaker 1>you will accept that you will go. Are there are

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<v Speaker 1>certain teams you may not want to go play. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the That's a great question, and he is. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know what's funny. In the past,

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody would have called out of said yes in

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<v Speaker 1>a heartbeat, absolutely, Whereas this year, obviously, I'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to Tampa Bay because I played there, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know Bruce Arians I know well he was my

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<v Speaker 1>coach when I was in Arizona for two years Todd Bowls.

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<v Speaker 1>The defensive coordinator was my coach as well, the linebacker coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a really good relationship with all those guys,

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<v Speaker 1>the coaches, the strength coat everybody. So I love to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to Tampa Bay. So if they call it,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely would feel that call Chicago as well. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a really great time in Chicago, so if they

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<v Speaker 1>called it, I'd love to go back to Chicago as well. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>those are probably top on my list, But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think every day is different, and you're right if

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<v Speaker 1>if if I wouldn't necessarily say outright saying out right

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<v Speaker 1>no to anybody, but I definitely no matter who it was,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it was TAMPLA, Chicago. I definitely would would

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<v Speaker 1>pray about it and consider, Okay, guy, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>want me to do at this moment, at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting your book focuses on a lot on identity

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<v Speaker 1>and how much we hide ourselves. But when you say,

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<v Speaker 1>out of all the sports, football players will be more

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<v Speaker 1>prone to hide ourselves because we're the ones hiding behind

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<v Speaker 1>that helmet, right if I would use that as a metaphor,

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<v Speaker 1>what is a good example of an NFL player hiding

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<v Speaker 1>his true self? Sam? Now we're talking. So my book

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<v Speaker 1>is called Let the World See You, How to Be

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<v Speaker 1>Real in a World full of Fakes, and it's it

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<v Speaker 1>really talks about what it means to be authentic and

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<v Speaker 1>to be vulnerable. And I know for me, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how it was for you or even anyone listening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard nowadays being you, like being who God made

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<v Speaker 1>you to be. It's so easy to pretend or to

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<v Speaker 1>fit in or to try and act like someone you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>You ask, when what's an example of someone in an

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<v Speaker 1>NFL locker room hiding? Well, me specifically, I know, like

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<v Speaker 1>for me as a as a linebacker in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a Christian that I'm I'm a follower of Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>people woul look at me and say, if I ever

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<v Speaker 1>got mad at practice, they'd say, well, Sam, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to get mad. You're a Christian. You're not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to get angry with it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, and as a young player, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to deal with that because I knew I love Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>but also but I didn't really know what these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna think of me. And so for me, my

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<v Speaker 1>hiding showed up in me trying really hard not to

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<v Speaker 1>get angry. Mm hmm. I'll try really hard not to

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<v Speaker 1>get angry, so be at practice and I'd be so upset,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would try to hide it. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>people to see me get angry, because when you're a Christian,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not supposed to be angry, supposed to be forgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>And yadi yadi. If you actually like read the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus was slipping over table, Jesus was calling people out.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus was lying as well as a lamb. And so

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<v Speaker 1>for me, that was an example of hiding. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>another example of hiding as well, and personally as well

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<v Speaker 1>I I could and academ me. I love learning personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I love learning, love school, I love As a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, I got my m b A from the

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<v Speaker 1>number one international NBA program in the world while I

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<v Speaker 1>was playing. And but here's the thing, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell anybody. I hid. I hid. I did not tell

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<v Speaker 1>any of my teammates. And you can probably guess why.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want them to think that I was this

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<v Speaker 1>guy who didn't care about ball or that was something nerd.

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<v Speaker 1>And also my coaches, to coaches or general managers or

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want them to say, well, this guy is

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<v Speaker 1>not committed. And so think about hiding. And that's just

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<v Speaker 1>in football. Imagine if whether it's in a marriage or

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<v Speaker 1>as a parent, or as a spouse or anything at work,

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<v Speaker 1>we tend to hide. And I'm really the purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>this book. Anybody picks up this book and you can

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<v Speaker 1>get it at sam i cho book dot com. It's

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<v Speaker 1>my first book, so I'd love for everybody to go

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<v Speaker 1>and check it out at sam i cho book dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>You can like, once you read that book, you'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a better idea to be able to know why you

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<v Speaker 1>hide and what are the benefits of showing people the

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<v Speaker 1>real you. When you talk about genuine authenticity, how can

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<v Speaker 1>a legend or current player, what do you suggest how

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<v Speaker 1>they can live out genuine authenticity. I think it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>really difficult in a lot of ways. The reason is

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to be extremely intentional. The waves of

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<v Speaker 1>the world or of culture will naturally draw you towards

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<v Speaker 1>like conglomeration, towards just coming together and being the same

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<v Speaker 1>as everyone else naturally, So if you don't actively um

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<v Speaker 1>Like for me, I do a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of prayer, a lot of just like quiet time with myself,

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<v Speaker 1>just like trying to say, man, who am I really right?

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<v Speaker 1>As I'm praying going through scripture? Right? That's one piece

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<v Speaker 1>another piece of saying, man, what do you actually like?

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<v Speaker 1>What are the things that I like as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>what does everyone else like? And I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>need to fit it? What do I like to do

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<v Speaker 1>and what do I like? What do I love to

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<v Speaker 1>learn about her? To read about her? To not read

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<v Speaker 1>about what I mean, and so being really intentional about

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<v Speaker 1>the things that you enjoy and then practicing those things,

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<v Speaker 1>not being ashamed of those things. A lot of us

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<v Speaker 1>really know who we are, but you talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>insecurity we're afraid of showing the world who we are.

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<v Speaker 1>In your book, you talk about the affirmation you got

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<v Speaker 1>from making a great play as a trap. How do

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<v Speaker 1>we avoid traps like these? Absolutely so, just for a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of context with those who haven't read the

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<v Speaker 1>book yet. UM football specifically is an interesting place to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the locker room on a team because when

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<v Speaker 1>you play well, all of a sudden, you start hearing

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<v Speaker 1>the rounds of applause. You're the best in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and you hear it right. And if you play poorly,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you start hearing less. Either either

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<v Speaker 1>you won't people won't talk to you, or they'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you how bad you are. And so for me, I

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<v Speaker 1>got caught up in the trap of people pleasing Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>I made a good play. My coach thinks it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me will do another one for my coach, or

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<v Speaker 1>my teammates think I'm gonn let me go do it

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<v Speaker 1>for my teammates, as opposed to doing it because I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do it. I wanted to be great, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>inside of me, deep down I wanted to be great.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a little icing on the cake of Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>my coach really thinks highly of me. Maybe now I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get more playing time, Now I'll be have more favor

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<v Speaker 1>in his eyes. Bibbles are clear, the heart of the

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<v Speaker 1>kings in the hand of the Lord, right, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>God's decision in a lot of ways. And obviously we

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<v Speaker 1>work and all these things, but I got caught up

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<v Speaker 1>in trying to please my coaches and do the things,

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<v Speaker 1>do it the way that they wanted me to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to having a conversation and saying, hey, coach,

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<v Speaker 1>I see where you're coming from, but hey, this is

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<v Speaker 1>my skill set. What do you think about this? And

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<v Speaker 1>then going that way. I was afraid. It's interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>one of the unique characteristics about what's caused UH coach

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Belichick to be successful is he finds out the

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<v Speaker 1>unique authenticity and I'm using that word paraphrasing it about

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<v Speaker 1>each player and he only asked that player to do

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<v Speaker 1>that which he knows that player does well. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting some of the behind the mask of their success.

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<v Speaker 1>Identity is often difficult for NFL players and legends because

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<v Speaker 1>we're often deemed just a football player, and after a

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<v Speaker 1>while that's all we see. How do we discover the

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<v Speaker 1>many facets of our identity and make a true impact

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<v Speaker 1>on our world. Sam, It's either going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>easy way or the hard way. Right, Like the easy way,

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<v Speaker 1>and is anybody listening. The easy way is to slow down, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all on this rat race, Okay, let me slow

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<v Speaker 1>down and let me actually tap into the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoy, or the things that will bring a benefit

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<v Speaker 1>to my family, or the things that I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I have a calling to do, even if it's against

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<v Speaker 1>the grain. That's the easy way. The hard way, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what I experience, is essentially it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>done for you. And here's what I mean by that.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I wrote this book last a little a

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<v Speaker 1>couple few months ago. As I was working on it

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<v Speaker 1>last year. Um, I did not know I was a writer.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until I almost lost my marriage, almost I

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<v Speaker 1>lost my starting spot, I tore my pack, I was

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<v Speaker 1>out for the season, I lost a mentor, my house flooded. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>my wife's wallet got still, I mean so much. Her

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<v Speaker 1>green coach she was won't even US citizen. Her green

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<v Speaker 1>car got so we were suppos to take a trip

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<v Speaker 1>overseas for a five year university. I mean, I was

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<v Speaker 1>like I was doing all the things. I wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention to things around me, right. I wasn't being

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<v Speaker 1>a loving father to my kids. I wasn't being a

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<v Speaker 1>loving husband to my wife. I wasn't being a good friend.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just so focused on the goal, the goal,

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<v Speaker 1>the goal, the goal of the goal. And so you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the easy way or the hard way. The

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<v Speaker 1>the easy way we talked about is saying, Okay, am

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<v Speaker 1>I going down the right path? Am I not getting

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<v Speaker 1>people around you you can speak life into you. The

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<v Speaker 1>hard way is saying, you know what, I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna do it and we'll be fine. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're not gonna be fine. Your body, your body

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna catch up to you. Your body keeps the score.

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<v Speaker 1>And so for me, the hard way of going through

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<v Speaker 1>all that, and in all reality, what came out of

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<v Speaker 1>that hard time in a lot of ways was this book.

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<v Speaker 1>And I say that to say I found that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a writer. So we all have all these gifts that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know about. And either you're gonna use the

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<v Speaker 1>gifts God gave you, or you're gonna find out the

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<v Speaker 1>hard way, that you keep on running yourself into a

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<v Speaker 1>brick wall and you're not getting anywhere. Marriage, relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>kids are failing, all these things. How did you get

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<v Speaker 1>what was your epiphany? Absolutely? Absolutely so? It was. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just signed a multi year, multimillion dollar contract with

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<v Speaker 1>the Chicago Bears, my first ever. Right, I was one

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<v Speaker 1>on your eight. Everything had else have been minimums, rocky

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<v Speaker 1>minimum or one year veteran minimum contracts that had been

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<v Speaker 1>my whole career. And by God's grace, I signed this

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<v Speaker 1>big deal and so I was going into I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be the guy. I was a star, I was

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<v Speaker 1>a starter. And it was a week before training camp

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<v Speaker 1>season and as I mentioned, like I felt like my

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<v Speaker 1>our relationship with my wife wasn't going well, my relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with my kids wasn't good even inter personally, like within myself,

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<v Speaker 1>like who am I? And I was sitting down with

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<v Speaker 1>a friend and I looked at him and I was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm struggling man like I And I told him, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I just need the season to start, because said all

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<v Speaker 1>this whole offseason, all my teammates are gone, my friendships

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<v Speaker 1>are gone. I don't know, I don't know where everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else is. I said, I just need this season to start,

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<v Speaker 1>so get back to football. Then I'll be okay. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>will be fine once I get back to ball. And

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<v Speaker 1>he looked at me and he said, Sam, if that's

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<v Speaker 1>how you are right now, I'm afraid of what happens

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<v Speaker 1>when when football ends for you, when it's over. And

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm kind of sharing with him some of my

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<v Speaker 1>struggles and think with you know, trying to be a

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<v Speaker 1>faithful husband and trying to like really like love my kids,

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<v Speaker 1>where is this hatred in my heart coming from? As

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sharing with him this all the stuff, I start

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<v Speaker 1>to cry. I started to cry. And he looks at

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<v Speaker 1>me and he says two things. He says. He says, Hey, Sam,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe God is writing a book in your life. Mhm.

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<v Speaker 1>And and you may only be on chapter two. Well

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<v Speaker 1>he said that. Then he said, and oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's nice to see you. Huh. It's nice to see you, Sam,

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice to see you. And I didn't understand what

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<v Speaker 1>he meant. A matter of fact, I think I didn't understand,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't want to understand what he meant, right

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, I felt like my life was over.

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<v Speaker 1>I was crying, broken, breaking down in front of this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my friends I've known, like helped me build

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<v Speaker 1>business stuff. We did business stuff together and my brand

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<v Speaker 1>and all this, and he said, I've never seen the

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<v Speaker 1>side of you. I used to always think you were

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<v Speaker 1>this perfect together guy. But it's good to know your human.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not perfect. It's nice to see you. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we actually recommended I've talked to a counselor. He actually

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<v Speaker 1>he actually had just finished meeting with this therapist counselor

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<v Speaker 1>guy doing a life plan for his life. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not a football guy, he's a business guy. But

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<v Speaker 1>he said, he, I recommend you talk to this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I did. And the next opening this counselor

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<v Speaker 1>had was the day reported a training camp. And so

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<v Speaker 1>as everyone knows, legends of players know, you report that

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like seven pm or five pm or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>time it is, it's your first meeting. Well, that morning

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<v Speaker 1>I was at a counselor's office and I'm sitting in there, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how it is, let me get in and

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<v Speaker 1>get out, check it off the box, right, how long

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<v Speaker 1>you know? And I'm like, how long will this be?

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, Sam, this is not a one or two

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<v Speaker 1>sessions issue. It's going to be a twelve the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four month process. Like what you don't know? You must

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<v Speaker 1>not know me. I'm this is I come on, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I just fly by it. He said, okay, Sam, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>start here. I got a couple of questions for you,

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<v Speaker 1>so go ahead. He said, what do you do when

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<v Speaker 1>you get angry? I said, okay, that's easy. I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't get angry. M hm. He said, well that's interesting answer,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll ask you again, what do you do when

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<v Speaker 1>you get angry? And I said, I tried not to

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<v Speaker 1>get angry mhm. And he looks at me and he says,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, Sam, everybody gets angry. And I proceeded to

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<v Speaker 1>cry m hm. And he looks at me. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>it is it okay if I And I'm like, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just like a tear shad. It was like something

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<v Speaker 1>was almost releasing from my yeah right the and so

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<v Speaker 1>he said, do you mind. I'm I'm gonna put my

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<v Speaker 1>hand on your chest right breathe, breathe. I putt my

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<v Speaker 1>hand on your stomach. I need you to breathe. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm breathing and breathing, and he looks at me, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of back up a little bit and he says,

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<v Speaker 1>or put his hand on my shoulder. He says, it's

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<v Speaker 1>nice to see you, Sam mhm. And he said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, get used to hearing that. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you asked what was the moment, the aha moment, the

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<v Speaker 1>realization of what it means to be me? It was

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily a moment, but more of a journey. The

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<v Speaker 1>journey the next the next day, he recommended as we left,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I recommend you start. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you journal, but start journaling, start writing. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you listen to music, but start listening to music.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I did that night, report to camp. We

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<v Speaker 1>go through our meetings, and I go back to my

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<v Speaker 1>dorm room and I start writing and writing and writing,

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<v Speaker 1>And as I'm writing, I'm crying again because I'm almost

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, God, why do you love me so much? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What have I done for to the earn or deserve

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<v Speaker 1>you love? And I'm writing and crying and I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm calling my friend, like the friend who told me

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<v Speaker 1>about this counsel. I'm like, dude, what is what is

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<v Speaker 1>going on, and so I go to I go to

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<v Speaker 1>practice the next day and we do our conditioning tests.

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<v Speaker 1>And we finished the test. Everybody goes inside and they

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<v Speaker 1>shower up and they go to get some food, where

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of just sit down, pop down in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the chair in the locker room. Most people have left.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my teammates have seen me. His name was

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Williams, and he sees me, and he saw that

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<v Speaker 1>I was a little bit dejected and wasn't myself. He said, hey, Sam,

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<v Speaker 1>are you are you good? And usually a nest I'd say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine, or I'm tired, or I've got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>going on. Well this time I looked at him and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, so you know what I'm not. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>doing good. And he said, well, I recommend you whatever

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<v Speaker 1>is going on, let it out, let it out. So

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<v Speaker 1>I did, and little by little the tears started to float.

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<v Speaker 1>One of other teammates, Danish your Faithan, had just walked

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<v Speaker 1>in the locker room. He saw me, and for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>he went to the speakers in the locker room. Was

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<v Speaker 1>bluetooth phone, was gonna do to it, and he changed

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<v Speaker 1>the playlist in the locker room. Change the song usually

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<v Speaker 1>in the locker room is you know, rap music, bumping

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<v Speaker 1>ever country or whatever. You know. He changed it to

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<v Speaker 1>worship music, and not any kind of worship music. It

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<v Speaker 1>happened to be the exact same songs I was listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the night before. And as these songs start to

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<v Speaker 1>play over my heart, I started to cry even more.

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<v Speaker 1>And this time it's the really it's like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking there like telling him tell me to breathe.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys tell me to breathe, and they're like, hey, I

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<v Speaker 1>just breathe, bath and I'm breathing. And then he looks

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<v Speaker 1>at me and he says, they watch. It's nice to

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<v Speaker 1>see you. Mm hmm. And that was and has continued

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<v Speaker 1>to be the journey that I'm on of what it

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<v Speaker 1>means to be seen, and not only to be seen,

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<v Speaker 1>but to be known, and not only to be known,

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<v Speaker 1>but to be loved and accepted for who you are

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<v Speaker 1>from who God made you to be. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>believe any legend listening, or any current player, or even

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<v Speaker 1>a spouse or whatever, right, So not just a spouse.

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<v Speaker 1>You have your own things that you do, right, whoever

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<v Speaker 1>is listening to this podcast, my desire for you once

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<v Speaker 1>you pick up that book, right Sam Macho book dot

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<v Speaker 1>com at s A m a c h o book

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. After you read that book and order that

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<v Speaker 1>book and go through it, you'll understand why we hide,

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<v Speaker 1>and learn how to name your emotions and learn how

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<v Speaker 1>to let the world see. You would understand that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not an overnight process. It's not just an aha moment

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody. Some people it is, some people it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>But for me, it's really been a journey. Right, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this twelve or twenty four months journey of

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<v Speaker 1>discovery of saying, man, this is the real me, this

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<v Speaker 1>is who I am. Do you still love me? And

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<v Speaker 1>the answer oftentimes is yes. There's a word pivot, pivoting,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've just described your pivot. So there's a part

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<v Speaker 1>and you shared that about about that in your book.

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<v Speaker 1>What advice would you give current players about how important

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<v Speaker 1>it is to handle the transitions that come their way? Transition, pivoting, change,

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<v Speaker 1>all these words as you see them, they're moving right,

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<v Speaker 1>their movement words. They're not steady, nor are they stable.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of us we want to get

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<v Speaker 1>to a certain place, but it's just that unknown period

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<v Speaker 1>that we fear in a lot of ways, or that

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<v Speaker 1>we're not used to, are not comfortable with, and it

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<v Speaker 1>could look different ways. For me, I'm used to going

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<v Speaker 1>almost from team to team, are being ready to move

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<v Speaker 1>and all these things. So for me, what transition looks

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<v Speaker 1>like is from this guy who says, oh, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>here today and go here tomorrow to saying, wow, what

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<v Speaker 1>if I need to settle down for my wife, for

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<v Speaker 1>my kids? Right, there's just a little bit of fear there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not used to that. And so my advice as

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 1>we journey together. Right, I'm not a guru or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've been on the journey and I'm currently on

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<v Speaker 1>that path and I've seen what it's like is don't

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<v Speaker 1>let people define you. You know you talks about that

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<v Speaker 1>idea where former player, legend or or NFL player. It's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to get caught up in almost like trapped in

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<v Speaker 1>that box of well, I'm an NFL player, look right,

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<v Speaker 1>I played for this team, where I'm a former player

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm a legend, But you are more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>You specifically it is you're a former player, yes, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a Hall of Famer, but we're also a pastor. You're

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<v Speaker 1>also a other. I've heard you teach and preach multiple times,

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<v Speaker 1>and I see you know I never I didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to to watch you play, right, I've seen highlights,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've got a chance to hear you speak over

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<v Speaker 1>my life and the lives of hundreds of pro athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically not even at your church. But it's some conferences, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're more than just a football player. Magine you said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm pro, I'm Hall of Famer or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are people that that relate to you because of that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a comma after that pro football Hall of

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<v Speaker 1>Famer and also pastor, and also father, and also business

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<v Speaker 1>leader and also and also and also and so what

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<v Speaker 1>I would say is I would just say, almost like

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to get yourself out of that trap, out

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<v Speaker 1>of that trap of saying this is who I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a former football player, or yeah I played for

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<v Speaker 1>this team. Because people get cut all the time, people

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<v Speaker 1>get traded all the time, people's career careers, and all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, no one, no one has ever played forever

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<v Speaker 1>Father time is undefeated. And so I would say, as

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<v Speaker 1>you're playing and as you're doing the giving it your

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<v Speaker 1>all and doing your best, find your other passions, be

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<v Speaker 1>you let the world see you because it will make

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<v Speaker 1>you better at your current job. Final question, You're and

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<v Speaker 1>your brother Emmanual. You guys do a lot of community work.

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<v Speaker 1>You're working in the community and social justice. Tell us

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<v Speaker 1>about what you guys have done, why it is important

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<v Speaker 1>that you do it, and what's it like in this

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<v Speaker 1>current climate that we're in. My brother he started, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>my brother Emmanual, he started and a series and called

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<v Speaker 1>Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man, And we had a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation beforehand, and we've kind of been going through it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was essentially what we understood is, hey, what

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<v Speaker 1>if this is our time to use the gifts that

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>God gave us and share them with the world. And

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<v Speaker 1>so for him, it looked like the Uncomfortable Conversation series.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it looked like going in the different communities

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<v Speaker 1>where I've lived then in Chicago specifically in other places

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<v Speaker 1>and bringing people together to try and bring It's not

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<v Speaker 1>even really biblical justice, but it's more that that idea

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<v Speaker 1>of like, man, God, let your kingdom come and let

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<v Speaker 1>your done. We were in Chicago, we saw what was

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<v Speaker 1>called the food desert. We saw an area on the

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<v Speaker 1>West Side that had two grocery stores and seventeen liquor

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<v Speaker 1>stores and a half mile radius, and something about that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't right, and so we got I love bringing people together,

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<v Speaker 1>So I got some people together. We raise half a

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars and bought up one of the liquor stores

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<v Speaker 1>and turned into a food mark that's being run and

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 1>managed by the kids. Every different person has their different

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>gifts and callings. I don't want to host a series

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<v Speaker 1>called of comfortable conversation, right, And he doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the West side of Chicago meeting with random

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<v Speaker 1>people and saying, hey, let's try and raise his money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's side his thing. It's my thing, and his thing

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>is not my thing, it's his thing. And so God

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<v Speaker 1>has given each of us our things and the temptation

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<v Speaker 1>and is too get caught up with our eyes on

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<v Speaker 1>someone else's thing. Man, If I if only I had

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of cloud, if only it's only that I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote my book last year, And it's interesting the timing

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<v Speaker 1>that God God as a he's really kind and in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways, because the timing of that book

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<v Speaker 1>could not be better. Let the world see you take

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<v Speaker 1>off your masks be real, come out of hiding us COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>because that a lot of us isolated in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways. And now it's like, even with COVID, let

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<v Speaker 1>the world see you as a parent, as a husband,

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<v Speaker 1>as a wife, as a teacher. Let the world see

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<v Speaker 1>you even with social race relations in America. Right. I

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<v Speaker 1>talked a lot about the Kaepernick stuff that was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I was called upon by my team to lead the

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<v Speaker 1>charge and ask and and and and the questions of

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<v Speaker 1>what we wanna do during the national anthem. And I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about that in the book, those discussions, what that

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<v Speaker 1>looked like. Right. I was in the crux of that

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<v Speaker 1>for the Chicago Bears, talk about the negotiating the new

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>collective bargaining agreement with the ownership right the title chapter

0:29:54.600 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>title of bargaining with billionaires. So like God doesn't make mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the fact that we are going through this

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<v Speaker 1>time right now, it doesn't mean we're supposed to doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean were supposed to go and say, I gotta go

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<v Speaker 1>write seven books and be the guy. No Burage started

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<v Speaker 1>this book last year, you know what I mean? Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean two years ago? And and

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<v Speaker 1>by the grace that gotta happened. I mean you have

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<v Speaker 1>to go and start a series, right, But it also

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean you're going into hiding as well. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>go and say, well I don't know what to do,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me just wait till this pass is No.

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<v Speaker 1>You find your places, find your spots like in football,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, right place, right time, eyes, hands and feet right,

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 1>open up your eyes, use your hands and let your

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<v Speaker 1>feet take you. That's all that it is. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not necessarily one extreme or the other. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to go and you know, start seven

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<v Speaker 1>businesses during COVID, or you don't have to go and

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<v Speaker 1>start nonprofits and foundations that deal with social injustice. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just use your eyes, look what's around you, go with

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<v Speaker 1>your feet in your hands and help somebody you need

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<v Speaker 1>in whatever way that you can. Sam, this has been incredible,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for joining us once again. The book

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<v Speaker 1>is called Let the World See You. It could be

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<v Speaker 1>found where against Sam. Yes, so you can go to

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<v Speaker 1>Samo book dot com, s A M A c Cho

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<v Speaker 1>coming out, so as soon as we're hearing this, it's

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