Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed.
Speaker 2: It's spooky and jooky.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, Hey, I ghosted mondays Pllease, hey boo, it's
Speaker 1: me Roz. Welcome to ghost It by Roz Hernandez, the
Speaker 1: podcast where I talk to people that I like about
Speaker 1: the paranormal and we usually stay on topic, though sometimes
Speaker 1: not always, but yeah we do. I think we do
Speaker 1: a pretty good job at staying on topic. Today we're
Speaker 1: gonna cover all kinds of topics, and in this little
Speaker 1: intro here, I've got an interesting one for you. I
Speaker 1: got an email from a listener named Caroline. Hi, Caroline,
Speaker 1: Caroline rides Rous. I am a huge fan of your podcast.
Speaker 1: It's so fun, such a mood booster. Thank you. I'm
Speaker 1: a local news reporter in southern Oklahoma, and since I
Speaker 1: know you are a Bigfoot fan, I wanted to share
Speaker 1: my latest story with you. It was a wild non
Speaker 1: jury trial where the defendant got on the stand and
Speaker 1: explained why he killed his friend, which was because he
Speaker 1: thought his friend had summoned Bigfoot to kill him on
Speaker 1: their fishing trip. I never thought I would have to
Speaker 1: decide whether the plural of bigfoot was bigfoots or big feet.
Speaker 1: I went with bigfoots, but I'm still on the fence
Speaker 1: big fun I mean, I like big feet. It makes
Speaker 1: me laugh, but yeah, bigfoots, Sasquatches, Sasquatchee, sasquatch Hi. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Uh so this didn't make it into my story,
Speaker 1: but he claimed he saw several bigfoots that day at
Speaker 1: the river. The first one was described as a twelve
Speaker 1: feet tall black creature dipping its toe in the river,
Speaker 1: whose face was blocked by a tree. The others were
Speaker 1: ten feet even fifteen feet tall, apparently, and they were
Speaker 1: dark brown and dark red. I wish I could have
Speaker 1: written more about the story, but I only had a
Speaker 1: minute of airtime. I have attached a screenshot of his
Speaker 1: mental competency slash insanity evaluation, where basically the evaluator wrote
Speaker 1: that believing in Bigfoot is not a reason to be
Speaker 1: considered legally insane. I never thought I would see that
Speaker 1: in a court document. It reminded me of the legally
Speaker 1: haunted house you mentioned on the podcast. Oh, I think
Speaker 1: I did mention something about that at one point. What
Speaker 1: was that story? I don't remember now, but yes, so Okay,
Speaker 1: very interesting. Basically, you know, he's been evaluated and it's
Speaker 1: been determined. Okay, he's not insane because he said he
Speaker 1: saw bigfoot. However, he did kill his friend, so that's
Speaker 1: very unfortunate that the poor friend was killed. But I'm
Speaker 1: clicking on your article which is on KXII dot com,
Speaker 1: and and here it says the guy's name was Larry Sanders,
Speaker 1: not to be confused with the nineties HBO sitcom Larry
Speaker 1: Sanders starring Gary Shanling, which I love. So he was
Speaker 1: a fifty five year old man. It's guilty of murdering
Speaker 1: Jimmy Knighton, Rest in peace, Jimmy. So it says. Sanders
Speaker 1: took the stand Wednesday and told the courtroom about the
Speaker 1: fishing trip that turned deadly, saying he thought strange things
Speaker 1: began happening that July afternoon. Sanders claimed to see a
Speaker 1: twelve foot tall bigfoot downstream and hear Knighton, the man
Speaker 1: he killed, Howell, into a drainage pipe. Sanders said that
Speaker 1: Knighton had pointed out a fish to him and was
Speaker 1: telling him to get that fish. Sanders said he when
Speaker 1: he told Knighton, he didn't want to get that fish
Speaker 1: Knighton kept telling him to. Sanders told the courtroom that
Speaker 1: he began to feel suspicious and believe Knighton was planning
Speaker 1: on drowning him and floating his body downstream to feed
Speaker 1: him to Bigfoot. Later the afternoon, they got into a
Speaker 1: physical fight. He wasn't trying to kill him, do okay.
Speaker 1: His sentencing hearing is on June eighteenth, and he is
Speaker 1: facing life or life without parole. Wow, Okay, Yes, this
Speaker 1: is one of these ones where I don't even know
Speaker 1: what to say. I mean, it's obviously turned something that
Speaker 1: turned into a very serious situation, though nonetheless very interesting
Speaker 1: the way that it sort of inter laps with what
Speaker 1: we talk about on the show, it's very strange. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's been like, there's been several cases over
Speaker 1: the years where it's it's tricky if you want to
Speaker 1: believe in this stuff, because for example, like one that
Speaker 1: comes to mind, what was the guy's name, ar Arnie Johnson,
Speaker 1: the Devil made Me do it case that the Conjuring
Speaker 1: Three is based on where he says that he was
Speaker 1: possessed by the devil and that caused him to murder people,
Speaker 1: and they tried to bring that into court and say
Speaker 1: that he was possessed, and it's it's it's tough because
Speaker 1: there's there's if there's no concrete evidence of that kind
Speaker 1: of a thing. It's all speculative. Anyway, I'm just sharing
Speaker 1: an email that I was sent and thank you Caroline
Speaker 1: for sending me that. Okay, I've got on one of
Speaker 1: my siblings here at exactly right, Bridger Wineger. He has
Speaker 1: a podcast, of course, called I Said No Gifts. So
Speaker 1: let's listen to Bridger and with this show I said
Speaker 1: now Gifts. Bridger Winegers here.
Speaker 2: Hello, raz, how are you?
Speaker 1: I am fabulous. I've got my exactly right brother in
Speaker 1: the studio today.
Speaker 2: It's so nice to be with it. Fellow network person.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, family, just the comfort.
Speaker 1: You grew up Mormon? What was that like?
Speaker 2: Uh? Good and largely bad, mostly bad, you know, pleasant enough,
Speaker 2: but also you know, horrifying.
Speaker 1: I never click on the documentaries. I see the documentaries
Speaker 1: and I never click which ones.
Speaker 2: Let's say, there's the Hidden in Plain Sight. Uh huh,
Speaker 2: that's the kind of UFO kidnapping one. Oh like that
Speaker 2: one's like kind of Mormonism's in the air. But it's
Speaker 2: more about the kidnapping and the alien and the all
Speaker 2: sorts of I mean, like every thirty seconds of that
Speaker 2: documentary is like the most insane thing you've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Were you in any type of UFO situation?
Speaker 2: No, I was never part of a UFO situation. You know.
Speaker 2: Mormons have their own like take on the spirit world
Speaker 2: and they do the baptisms for the dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like in comparison to other religions, like with Catholicism,
Speaker 2: like ghosts and stuff and demons, it's very operatic almost,
Speaker 2: and I feel like with Mormons it's a more there's
Speaker 2: like a lot of like grounded, like almost like creating
Speaker 2: logic for what spirits do and what they're up to.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, but ultimately they do believe in like spirits, right.
Speaker 2: They believe. Yeah, And this is all coming from someone
Speaker 2: who's been removed from it for way longer than a decade.
Speaker 2: But I feel like the Mormon origin story is that
Speaker 2: there's like a war in heaven before Earth existed, okay,
Speaker 2: and all of the people who were on Satan's side
Speaker 2: all of this spirits like got banished, and I believe
Speaker 2: were banished to West Hollywood. Earth mostly condensed in West Hollywood. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I don't know. Billions and billions of evil spirits
Speaker 2: are just kind of roaming the earth at all times.
Speaker 2: I love them, and I think I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure that's kind of what thing is.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean sounds like a party to me,
Speaker 1: all the evil spirits just roaming around.
Speaker 2: Just constantly tempting. They don't drink, right, No, they don't drink.
Speaker 1: Because that's one of the big differences between with Catholicism
Speaker 1: is all of their you know, the opera as you've described,
Speaker 1: is a lot of it's fueled by a little bit
Speaker 1: of that blood of Christ. Honey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're drinking in church.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I started drinking when I was what eight something
Speaker 1: like that, the first time I had the zip of alcohol.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, that.
Speaker 2: Is so wild. Mormons do the same thing, but just
Speaker 2: with tap water.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, you drink a little like a little thing of
Speaker 2: tap water and a piece of like ripped up wonderbread.
Speaker 1: Not as sexy, I'm sorry, it's not as sexy. I
Speaker 1: had that blood of Christ when I was like eight,
Speaker 1: and I was like cut to rehab at twenty one.
Speaker 1: But anyway, nine years of recovery so what do you
Speaker 1: believe when it comes to ghost are you? Are you
Speaker 1: here for it?
Speaker 2: I want to be here for it. I'm not totally against.
Speaker 2: I'm not ruling anything out. I refuse to rule anything out.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's nice.
Speaker 2: I've had like a mild ghosty experience. I've never no
Speaker 2: one in my life who I trust has had a
Speaker 2: ghost experience, if that makes any sense. But a lot
Speaker 2: of people you don't trust, Yes, people who a I'm like,
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, of course experience.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know. Sometimes it's a little bit difficult when
Speaker 1: people have really good ghost stories, but then they're also
Speaker 1: the same people where you're like, don't you claim to
Speaker 1: be second cousins with John Travolta, Because I don't know
Speaker 1: that that's true. We've looked into it, but like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: Like you always have. You're always the most interesting person
Speaker 1: in the room, aren't you.
Speaker 2: For a reason everything's fabricated or But I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess those people believe it. You just don't want to
Speaker 2: know too much about the rest of their life, so
Speaker 2: you can believe their ghost story.
Speaker 1: Right, So, but nobody that you trust counter to ghats Okay,
Speaker 1: what is your mild ghost story?
Speaker 2: My mild ghost story is I think it was twenty
Speaker 2: thirteen or twenty fourteen. My great grandma. She died in
Speaker 2: two thousand and three. Aura. I had a really close
Speaker 2: relationship with her. She was wonderful and every birthday she
Speaker 2: would cut up an old greeting card into like puzzle
Speaker 2: pieces and give it as a gift with a little
Speaker 2: note that said life is a puzzle, and so am I.
Speaker 2: And that was like a yearly thing that we would get.
Speaker 2: She died in two thousand and three. Twenty thirteen. I'd
Speaker 2: been living in Los Angeles for a few years and
Speaker 2: I had to walk to work every day. And one
Speaker 2: day I was walking to work.
Speaker 1: Where are you where again?
Speaker 2: I was a PA at Television City and near the grove.
Speaker 1: Oh what they do? Price is right?
Speaker 2: Price is right. I was so tempted to push the wheel.
Speaker 1: Is that what you were working on?
Speaker 2: No, my god, I wish I was at the Late
Speaker 2: Late Show with Craig Ferguson. Ah okay, But I was
Speaker 2: on my way walking there and that phrase crossed my mind.
Speaker 2: Life is a puzzle, and so am I? And I thought, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's such a nice memory of great Grandma. Walked to work,
Speaker 2: went through the workday and at the end of the
Speaker 2: day I called my mom to just catch up. We
Speaker 2: were talking, talking, talking, and she said, oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: today's great grandma's birthday. I was not aware of my
Speaker 2: great grandma's birthday. I mean, obviously logically we can reason
Speaker 2: this out. Subconsciously, I knew her birth date, and somehow
Speaker 2: my brain just brought that up. But it really was
Speaker 2: such a bizarre coincidence. Didn't feel spooky or anything, but
Speaker 2: it did feel so like, oh, why else would that
Speaker 2: have come into my mind? Totally either basic psychology now
Speaker 2: or but it's just such a bizarre like because I
Speaker 2: if you had asked me prior to that day, when
Speaker 2: is great Grandma's birthday? I would have had no idea.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm one hundred percent on board with not going
Speaker 1: with science on that one. I think that there is
Speaker 1: that it happened for a reason. Does that happen to
Speaker 1: you any other time?
Speaker 2: Or is this like this was a one off thing
Speaker 2: that and like a recurring dream I had as a kid,
Speaker 2: or the two like closest things to paranormal that I've had.
Speaker 1: Why is the recurring dream?
Speaker 2: Probably up until sixth grade like when i'd have the
Speaker 2: flu and i'd get a high fever. I would have
Speaker 2: this fever dream every time. My dad's business is kind
Speaker 2: of like a garage slash, big empty warehouse, and I
Speaker 2: would have a dream that I was there. It was
Speaker 2: empty except for a large like wooden shipping crates, and
Speaker 2: I would look up and on top of one of
Speaker 2: the wooden chipping crates was a little girl in a
Speaker 2: kind of a sailor striped shirt, and we would just
Speaker 2: look at each other and then the dream would be over.
Speaker 2: This happened every time I had a fever, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't one of those things where it's like, oh, I
Speaker 2: know that person from real life. It was a character
Speaker 2: fabricated by my brain or ghost girl. Now it was a.
Speaker 1: Little girl that died of a fever in that building.
Speaker 1: It has to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know where else that would have come from,
Speaker 2: because you recognize everyone in your dreams, you know, Like
Speaker 2: I don't have dreams about people I've never seen before.
Speaker 1: You just reminded me of something I haven't thought about
Speaker 1: in fifteen years. A lot of parallels. Okay. When I
Speaker 1: first moved to La within the first few days, I
Speaker 1: got a job as an extra on an independent film.
Speaker 1: I know I'm bragging here.
Speaker 2: But can we Is it possible to see you in this?
Speaker 1: No? Now, I don't think you. It was one of
Speaker 1: these things. I don't even think they bade me. I
Speaker 1: think I was just like, oh, that sounds fun, of course.
Speaker 1: And then I remember, like five years later it finally
Speaker 1: came out, you know, because it was just like an
Speaker 1: indie thing, and then I was like, you, guys, this
Speaker 1: is my film debut. I'm not even in it. But
Speaker 1: this one scene we were doing. It was an exterior shot,
Speaker 1: but we used the bathrooms inside the building, and inside
Speaker 1: the building was a sex toy warehouse, and so when
Speaker 1: I went in to go to the bathroom, there was
Speaker 1: just like inventory everywhere, like lining shelves. And that night
Speaker 1: I had a dream that the place was on fire
Speaker 1: and I got trapped when I went to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: and when I came out, it was like pee wee
Speaker 1: herman like with the snakes in his hands, and but
Speaker 1: that was me with the sex toys. I had them
Speaker 1: in my hands and I was trying to save them.
Speaker 1: And then I woke up laughing so hard. It was
Speaker 1: the first time I ever woke up laughing. I don't
Speaker 1: think I ever had sense.
Speaker 2: Just fistfuls of dildo's.
Speaker 1: Exactly and just fire behind me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: why are these dilldose in my hands?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 1: Can I tell you? Speaking of fire? God? I'm real,
Speaker 1: I'm so fucking good at this. I have a story
Speaker 1: that involves fire. It's a famous story that I've researched.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'd love to hear it now.
Speaker 1: This is one of these stories where we're definitely all
Speaker 1: gonna go, Okay, is this a paranormal story? Is it not?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I find it very fascinating. And
Speaker 1: it's a new one to me. I never heard of it,
Speaker 1: but apparently it's very famous. It's the story of Carol Compton.
Speaker 1: Oh I like that name, Yes, Caro. Oh, there's some
Speaker 1: good ones. I look for names first and foremost, and
Speaker 1: this one has a couple of good ones. You were
Speaker 1: at the live show, that one that had some good names.
Speaker 2: Wild names. Yeah, every one of those names felt yeah,
Speaker 2: totally fictional.
Speaker 1: I know, and maybe you never know, maybe some of
Speaker 1: them have been changed. Because people's lives get ruined by
Speaker 1: these stories once they start getting in the news, and
Speaker 1: a lot of times In my opinion, the ones that
Speaker 1: are these stories that are very real seeming are the
Speaker 1: people that are just like I'm just a normal person
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry I told a reporter my story one time,
Speaker 1: but now I'm famous and I don't want that.
Speaker 2: Leave me alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Carol Coompton. There is a great article that
Speaker 1: was written on medium dot com by Elizabeth Melville in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and the story of Carol Compton is that
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two, she was a twenty year old
Speaker 1: young lady from Aberdeen, Scotland. She gets engaged to a
Speaker 1: hot Italian soldier name.
Speaker 2: I don't officially know that, but it sounds hot.
Speaker 1: Honey. Have you been to Italy?
Speaker 2: Yes, I have, just last year. Actually, then you know
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. They are their hit rate with
Speaker 2: men is so high.
Speaker 1: Okay, now this is gonna sound shitty. I've had some
Speaker 1: romances with some men here in Los Angeles that are
Speaker 1: visiting from Italy, and I'm like, they're the hottest guys
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my entire life. Then I go
Speaker 1: to Italy and I realize, I'm sorry, I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that the guys that I hooked up with here in America.
Speaker 1: I think they kicked out of Italy because they were
Speaker 1: so hideous and these were hot guys.
Speaker 2: You're getting like a Rome four.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, a Rome one is in La fifteen.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, truly, So anyway, and thank you to the
Speaker 1: men that visited here and Garrazzi grat.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So she's living in Scotland with her hot Italian soldier
Speaker 1: named Marco. She's twenty. He gets called back to Italy
Speaker 1: because he has to serve in the military, and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: marry me, Like, I'll get a job. I'll go to
Speaker 1: Italy with you, Like, don't leave me. So they decide
Speaker 1: to get engaged. She is like, okay, I'll find I'll
Speaker 1: find something to do in Italy. I'll get a job.
Speaker 1: So I should add that at this point in her life,
Speaker 1: she's starting to have like all these weird experiences. She's
Speaker 1: having things disappear and reappear around her. Electrical items would
Speaker 1: be malfunctioning around her, so kind of like some weird
Speaker 1: like is there a ghost around her? Is she does
Speaker 1: she have a poulterr geits going on. She's got a
Speaker 1: job at a fish canning factory. Oh very hot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this man has to deal with this woman showing up
Speaker 1: smelling like trout. She's coming back home smelling like tune,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I love you, baby. So she's got
Speaker 1: a fish canning job.
Speaker 2: That's so demeaning. What she's a proud fish canner roz.
Speaker 1: Okay, but have you seen Marco.
Speaker 2: He's he could do better than a fish canner. I suppose.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I don't know what either of
Speaker 1: these people look like, to be honest with you, but
Speaker 1: all I know is that there's no doubt she smell
Speaker 1: like fish. She's in a fish cannon fact, very true.
Speaker 2: Very true. Okay, there's no getting away from that smell.
Speaker 1: But by the way, before she has moved to Italy,
Speaker 1: back in Scotland, she's cannon fishes and a conveyor belt
Speaker 1: snaps and it almost severs her leg off.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So at this point she's like, all right, I'm cursed.
Speaker 1: So she goes over to Italy. She gets a job
Speaker 1: with a nanny service. They place her with a family
Speaker 1: very briefly. It doesn't work out. We'll get back to
Speaker 1: that later. So then they find her another family and
Speaker 1: she moves to the island of Elba, and that is
Speaker 1: where she is taking care of a little girl named
Speaker 1: Agnese Checcini.
Speaker 2: Moving to an island is never a good sign in
Speaker 2: a ghost story.
Speaker 1: It's the vacation home of the Checchini family. Carol Compton
Speaker 1: at this point is thinking. She says, HOI my bank
Speaker 1: account's going Checcini. We got some chichinging going on here
Speaker 1: with these Chuccinis. So she's with Agnese Chiaccini, who's three
Speaker 1: years old. She only lasts two days because and I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I know we need to get to the ghost part.
Speaker 1: She puts little Agnese Chuccini down for a nap and
Speaker 1: the family notices a black smoke coming out of Agnese
Speaker 1: Chicccini's bedroom. The todler's mattress is on fire. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: It was quickly put out and Agnese Chicccini was fine,
Speaker 1: But the family is pissed because the day before there
Speaker 1: was a fire in the grandparents' bedroom.
Speaker 2: Carol is smoking all over the house.
Speaker 1: It seems like the grandma is furious. She actually locks
Speaker 1: Carol Compton on a balcony and calls the cops.
Speaker 2: At the smoking section.
Speaker 1: Yes, she probably loved it. So the cops show up
Speaker 1: and they charge her with arson and attempted murder because
Speaker 1: this little girl was in danger, and they place her
Speaker 1: in jail. Now, the grandmother, whose name is Ancila Chuccini,
Speaker 1: she tells the press that the nanny's a witch and
Speaker 1: that she starts fires with telekinesis.
Speaker 2: Jumping to conclusions.
Speaker 1: Well, you remember the first family. They come forward and
Speaker 1: they go she started three fires in our villa in
Speaker 1: December of nineteen eighty three. The trial begins, and at
Speaker 1: this point her fiance has left.
Speaker 2: Marco's gone.
Speaker 1: He's like, I am put up with the fish smell.
Speaker 1: But the fires is too much.
Speaker 2: Girl, the constant fires.
Speaker 1: Yes, so her family's not talking to her. This poor
Speaker 1: girl is dealing with fires everywhere. And the prosecuting attorney
Speaker 1: and the trial is about to start speaking. He stands,
Speaker 1: it's cinematic. He stands up to speak. The door flings
Speaker 1: open and a little old lady with a crucifix barges in,
Speaker 1: and this is Sierra Lobina, who is a famous psychic
Speaker 1: and healer, and she claims that she is there to
Speaker 1: get rid of a demon that is inside of Carol,
Speaker 1: and that she and her mother are possessed by an
Speaker 1: eighteenth century witch. So that's what this psychic.
Speaker 2: Could she get this information because she's.
Speaker 1: A psychics now everything, How.
Speaker 2: Does she find out the court date?
Speaker 1: Because she's from psychic. That's why I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Just keeps up on the news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is a big press story. I
Speaker 1: will say that. But this lady, she was probably like,
Speaker 1: there's camels, I'm showing whatever. But she says that this
Speaker 1: poor girl does not realize it. She's not evil, she
Speaker 1: just has a witch that makes her cause fires. By
Speaker 1: the way, Carol was literally in a cage when she
Speaker 1: was on trial.
Speaker 2: They were transporting her by cage.
Speaker 1: Yes, like a parakeet.
Speaker 2: Parakeet or hannibal or hannibal. Wow.
Speaker 1: So the First family, they say that she was always
Speaker 1: crying about her boyfriend and their son was scared of
Speaker 1: her because every time the sun touched her, she burned him. Oh,
Speaker 1: she was like hot to the touch, hot hands, hot hands.
Speaker 1: So the First family, they had a Sicilian maid that
Speaker 1: urged them to fire her because she believed that the
Speaker 1: devil was inside of Carol. She said that a religious
Speaker 1: painting fell off the wall when Carol passed by it,
Speaker 1: and she witnessed bowls and other objects flying off of
Speaker 1: the counters when Carol was around.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is someone covering up their own mistakes. It
Speaker 2: could be their own bad job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I made I didn't break that one of a
Speaker 1: kind antique. It was a lady that was here for
Speaker 1: two days. Another maid said that when the first fire
Speaker 1: was happening at I think this is at the first house.
Speaker 1: She said that Carol was just standing there in a trance,
Speaker 1: staring at the flames. Now here's something that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: A forensic expert examined the mattress and he concluded that
Speaker 1: the fire was caused by an intense heat. It was
Speaker 1: not a flame, it was not a cigarette, and that
Speaker 1: the flame moved downward rather than upward. And he said
Speaker 1: he has never seen anything like that in all of
Speaker 1: his forensic years. So psychiatrists examined her. They concluded that
Speaker 1: she has an abnormble personality, but she's not psychotic or
Speaker 1: a pyromaniac, and she had being found not guilty. The
Speaker 1: verdict found that she was, you know, the sort of
Speaker 1: what They concluded she is causing these fires because she
Speaker 1: wanted the families, which they're in their vacation homes. She
Speaker 1: wanted them to go back home to Rome so that
Speaker 1: she could be with their boyfriends. That's what they're you know, reasoning.
Speaker 2: Why she thought or they thought she was trying to
Speaker 2: drive them out with flames so she could hang out
Speaker 2: at the vacation home.
Speaker 1: No, so that they could leave the vacation homes and
Speaker 1: go back to where the families are based.
Speaker 2: And oh so she could see Okay, that's a better plan.
Speaker 1: Now. That's when you know a guy is hot, when
Speaker 1: you're like, I will burn down a rich person's house
Speaker 1: so that they will move me closer to you.
Speaker 2: Like, that's crazy, I'll put my career in jeopardy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you had to put me in a
Speaker 1: cage to keep me away from you. So they believe
Speaker 1: that there was no evidence of how she did the
Speaker 1: fires because she may have done them with alcohol, you know,
Speaker 1: so it kind of evaporated.
Speaker 2: But it's a bad way to start a fire.
Speaker 1: I mean again, this is all very questionable. Is this
Speaker 1: a paranormal thing or was she causing these fires? But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of witnesses that believe that this woman
Speaker 1: was telekinetic, that she was possessed or who knows what
Speaker 1: that she had a poulter geist, she was cursed. We're
Speaker 1: not sure, but you know, she got off. She ended
Speaker 1: up going back to Scotland and was right back at
Speaker 1: the fish canning factory.
Speaker 2: They took her back.
Speaker 1: They took her back. I guess they didn't get that
Speaker 1: news story. And also they're like, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: fish canning factory, so there's liquids everywhere. At least if
Speaker 1: there's a fire, you could throw an empty can of
Speaker 1: sardines at it. And she married a man, a different
Speaker 1: one that wrote to her when she was in jail, oh,
Speaker 1: which I always love, and she to this day. She's
Speaker 1: a private citizen as far as we know, and she's
Speaker 1: never been able to give a reasonable explanation. She doesn't know.
Speaker 1: But no fires since that we know of. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm like, what about when she was
Speaker 1: locked up? Because this trial happened three years after the
Speaker 1: initial incidents, So was she burning shit and all that time?
Speaker 1: I don't know? No, Sorry, this wasn't three years. This
Speaker 1: was one year after because it started in eighty two.
Speaker 1: The trial was in eighty three. Okay, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: But either way, this story, I apologize It's not the
Speaker 1: best paranormal story ever, but it sort of is part
Speaker 1: of this conversation I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, but I do kind of lean towards it
Speaker 2: some paranormal thing happening. She lit how many fires? I mean,
Speaker 2: six fires started, and she was never to be like
Speaker 2: you think she would have gotten better at it if
Speaker 2: that was her plan. You think like the fourth or
Speaker 2: fifth fire would have been the one that actually worked.
Speaker 1: Maybe she was just doing them to scare them. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if she was trying to burn the
Speaker 1: house down. Apparently in the second house, the Tuccini house,
Speaker 1: the first fire she did, she was nowhere near it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's why the family was like, she couldn't have gone
Speaker 1: in there and lit this on fire. They were very
Speaker 1: convinced that they thought it was an electrical thing. But
Speaker 1: then it became way too coincidental when there was another
Speaker 1: fire the next day. So who knows? Could she cause
Speaker 1: fires with her mind? It's a thing that people report
Speaker 1: is possible.
Speaker 2: Could we I feel like, I forgive me the psychic surprise?
Speaker 2: Witness what happened there. She stormed in with the cross.
Speaker 1: Oh, they got her ass out of there. They were
Speaker 1: like lady, this is wonderful, but this is like an
Speaker 1: actual trial. Like now this is becoming a circus. This
Speaker 1: is the kind of thing that ends up on a
Speaker 1: ghost podcast forty years later, like we need you to
Speaker 1: get out of here, ma'am, please, ma'am. This is a courtroom.
Speaker 1: This is not a psychic fair. Yeah, anyway, can I
Speaker 1: show you a haunted eBay doll?
Speaker 2: I would love nothing more?
Speaker 1: Well, you're in luck because you're not just getting one
Speaker 1: this time. You're getting three spirits for the price of one.
Speaker 2: Is it a lot a lot of dolls? Nope?
Speaker 1: Gee, how can you show it to us? It's like
Speaker 1: a statue. It's like a garden statue, and it appears
Speaker 1: to be like an Elvis with some lady and they're
Speaker 1: dancing seductively.
Speaker 2: It's just like a bad Tim Burton fan art or something. Yes,
Speaker 2: how big do you think that is? It's hard to
Speaker 2: tell from well, I guess it's. Oh, you can see
Speaker 2: the bricks in the background, so it's.
Speaker 1: It's about three bricks tall.
Speaker 2: Three bricks do all classic measurement.
Speaker 1: It's about three bricks with some grout and I don't know,
Speaker 1: it looks like it's made of a silly string. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell. It's some kind of folk
Speaker 1: art thing, sort of thing you get when you're at
Speaker 1: like a craft fair and you're like, well, I didn't
Speaker 1: buy anything. I feel like I need to. I'll get this.
Speaker 2: And what does it say there at the base of it?
Speaker 2: Can you tell where there's a there's a little like
Speaker 2: plaque on it that says something.
Speaker 1: Oh like really small.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't know what that says, but probably
Speaker 2: says haunted.
Speaker 1: The spirits inside are Sweetness, Michael, and Abe, three three
Speaker 1: of them. They're going currently for one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five US dollars, and the biography that comes with it
Speaker 1: says this, there are three spirits attached to this vessel,
Speaker 1: two men and a woman. It was insane figuring out
Speaker 1: the backstory and confusing as well. So Abe is the
Speaker 1: husband of the woman's spirit. When asking the woman's spirit's name,
Speaker 1: Abe interferes and says slut oh. He calls her every
Speaker 1: derogatory name in the book and won't allow her to speak.
Speaker 1: I give her pet names when talking to her about her.
Speaker 1: Sweetheart is what I use the most. Abe will not
Speaker 1: allow her to speak at all. As a punishment, for
Speaker 1: her infidelity. I'm unsure of how to free his wife
Speaker 1: from this. Now another spirit, Michael is also attached, and
Speaker 1: he's treated terribly as well. Michael was the man that
Speaker 1: she had the affair with. Abe unlived them when he
Speaker 1: found them in a hotel together. The couple attached to
Speaker 1: this vessel for their love bond, but when Abe passed away,
Speaker 1: he attached to it and took over.
Speaker 2: Oh God, the control.
Speaker 1: If anyone is familiar of how to free them from
Speaker 1: this or figure this out, please let me know or
Speaker 1: adopt them. It has been insane over here as Abe
Speaker 1: will audibly shout horrible words about them. He'll knock things
Speaker 1: over and break things and flicker lights. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: can tell that the person that wrote this they've been
Speaker 1: through it.
Speaker 2: Honey, busy, busy, busy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been a whole situation. So basically, long
Speaker 1: story short, two people hooked up, the husband killed the
Speaker 1: two of them. Then eventually he dies and then he's
Speaker 1: like where are those two And then he finds them
Speaker 1: in this garden gnome situation and then he joined like
Speaker 1: what I don't know about all that?
Speaker 2: Are these representations of those two people or they just.
Speaker 1: Attached and they just found themselves in this.
Speaker 2: Kind of a perfect little thing vessel for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like, oh, this will be great, Like
Speaker 1: it's like two levers kind of this is very us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so us. And then one day the guy dies and
Speaker 1: then he's like, man by me, bitch it Like that's
Speaker 1: just so. I don't believe it.
Speaker 2: I don't believe it, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what happens when we die.
Speaker 2: I feel like he got what he murdered them. What
Speaker 2: else does he have to do? Move on?
Speaker 1: Move on, loser?
Speaker 2: Why would you want to reattach to this situation? Seriously,
Speaker 2: there's no way.
Speaker 1: What they need is better help dot com. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you these promo code ghosted. So much of this is like,
Speaker 1: if you would just deal with your shit, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: be roaming the earth or attaching to doll when you die.
Speaker 1: Just deal with your shit when you're alive.
Speaker 2: Just take care of things.
Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of can I play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'd love to hear some communication.
Speaker 1: It's time for EVP or ev please all right, Bridgard?
Speaker 1: What I do is I go to YouTube dot com
Speaker 1: and I look for alleged recordings of ghosts speaking. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play two of them for you, and I want
Speaker 1: you to tell me what you think the ghost is saying,
Speaker 1: and then i'll give you some options abc D, one
Speaker 1: of them being the correct answer of what the person
Speaker 1: that posted it believes the ghost is saying.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: This first one comes from LP Investigators, and this was
Speaker 1: recorded at an abandoned boarding school that also served as
Speaker 1: a hospital. Oh and bring them Utah, Brigham City, Brigham City.
Speaker 1: It was a hospital and a boarding school. I think
Speaker 1: it's just a building that served as many things, begging
Speaker 1: for ghosts, and now it's haunted. Okay, this one, first
Speaker 1: of all, let me just play it for you. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. It sounds a little sexual, but let's
Speaker 1: just go for it. Listen for a ghost speaking.
Speaker 2: Oh that's okay, so a little sexual.
Speaker 1: The ghost the ghost hunter is apparently saying alright. I
Speaker 1: don't know why she's saying it like that, but she's
Speaker 1: saying alright, alright, but there is a ghost speaking under her.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, So don't be distracted.
Speaker 2: But the pornographic by this deeply satisfied ghost hunter, right.
Speaker 1: Don't be distracted by that, Okay, I'm gonna play it again, okay,
Speaker 1: so you can try to decipher the other voice talking
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, now that I'm aware of that bed of ghosts,
Speaker 2: let me hear it again. I feel like the last
Speaker 2: word is junior.
Speaker 1: Jor jor Well, they did not think it was anything
Speaker 1: of that nature.
Speaker 2: Loretta junior, Loretta junior.
Speaker 1: Okay, so did they think it was a I didn't
Speaker 1: like The Joker? They didn't like the movie The Joker?
Speaker 1: Is it B I'm about to jump up? Oh they're
Speaker 1: about to like jump.
Speaker 2: Up right to right or off?
Speaker 1: Or is it C I'll fucking choke her? Okay, that's all?
Speaker 1: Or is it D I'm a fan of Joe Rogan. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me play it again. It's one of those.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's C.
Speaker 1: I'll fucking choke her. That is what they believe it's said,
Speaker 1: which is also you know, a little sexual possibly for
Speaker 1: some people. Right. So, now that we know it's I'll
Speaker 1: fucking choke her, here we go.
Speaker 2: Why is that person making why?
Speaker 1: Okay, now you be the Now you be the ghost
Speaker 1: and I'll be the ghost hunter.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, go have you listened to any more of
Speaker 2: this ghost clips?
Speaker 1: There is one that I've heard where the ghost of
Speaker 1: speaking and she's going, daddy what, No, I haven't heard
Speaker 1: any others.
Speaker 2: That's her trademark.
Speaker 1: Listen, I don't know. I don't know if the ghost
Speaker 1: was in on it. Like the ghost was like, I
Speaker 1: know what, she'll like a joker. Okay.
Speaker 2: It feels like they're both into something there.
Speaker 1: Some people learn into that there's a.
Speaker 2: Mutual something happening, you know what.
Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: I think it's gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I support all of this stuff. I did a show
Speaker 1: last night, a stand up show for like kink people,
Speaker 1: and I just found myself a lot of times going,
Speaker 1: this is beautiful. It's wonderful. Some people are into farts
Speaker 1: and slapping each other, it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Was she in the audience? U?
Speaker 1: All of a sudden I got heckled. I heard someone
Speaker 1: from the audience go okay, so one more. This is
Speaker 1: from mister Tenacious One. It is also from Utah. It
Speaker 1: is from the Utah Paranormal Research and Study and they
Speaker 1: recorded this at Camp Floyd Army Base in Fairfield, Utah.
Speaker 1: What is this ghost saying, brit Ter Winer, I.
Speaker 2: Was so expecting another Alright, I was like I was
Speaker 2: just not even listening to the ghost sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not fair. I should have warned you. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me play it again. Here we go. Did that
Speaker 1: make you feel more comfortable?
Speaker 2: You need to have a button for that for the
Speaker 2: rest of the time you do this podcast.
Speaker 1: Okay, this one does not have any of that. This
Speaker 1: is just an old school ghost speaking in a very
Speaker 1: unhorny way.
Speaker 2: What is it saying?
Speaker 1: Oh, Coca coca.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a Coca loca, Coca coca.
Speaker 1: Oh, you went to Coca loca. I feel like when
Speaker 1: you go to Mexico, like certain parts, there's like a
Speaker 1: guy on the street that's like, you want some Coca Loca.
Speaker 2: And kind of just steps out from an alley. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's that last syllable that's so difficult to decipher after
Speaker 2: the coca or oca.
Speaker 1: I know. Well, here's some options.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hear.
Speaker 1: Is it a oh my girls rise up? Is it
Speaker 1: b oh? I don't like that? Is it c oh der?
Speaker 1: But why sir?
Speaker 2: Or D? What is D? You know what my vote is?
Speaker 1: Okay, let me play it again.
Speaker 2: I think that's Oh. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: It is Oh, I don't like that hy buy over.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a such a great pairing to
Speaker 2: the first piece of audio.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: It was so sex positive, and.
Speaker 1: Then the other one is very yeah, sex negative. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't like that. I'm not into that kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. Well, Bridger, let's just do one more thing
Speaker 1: real quick. I'm gonna list off some paranormal phenomenals sort
Speaker 1: of stuff that's part of this world. I'm just curious
Speaker 1: if you have any thoughts of maybe something comes up.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: I'm excited.
Speaker 1: What about psychics. What do you think of that?
Speaker 2: Psychics? I that falls into the ghost territory for me,
Speaker 2: where I like, I like to imagine that it could work.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, when a psychic tells me something,
Speaker 2: when a friend reads my horoscope, when I go to
Speaker 2: see a psychic, I definitely believe or it at least
Speaker 2: begins to affect the way I think or behave. Okay,
Speaker 2: because better safe than sorry. Yeah, I feel like when
Speaker 2: a psychic shows up, for example, in court, or when
Speaker 2: someone's kidnapped and suddenly they're on entertainment tonight trying to
Speaker 2: tell everyone where the kidnap victim is that's where I
Speaker 2: start to think that's a different thing. That's somebody who
Speaker 2: needs attention. Yeah, but private psychics, I feel like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, there's some the possibility of some people having
Speaker 2: an intuition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been, like intentionally to a psychic before?
Speaker 2: I have, I've been to. I mean, I don't. And
Speaker 2: that's the other thing I don't know really this world
Speaker 2: what they like to be called. If this person was
Speaker 2: an astrologer or whatever. I went to someone named Angel
Speaker 2: for an hour. He did my birth chart. He told
Speaker 2: me all these things. But the only thing I can
Speaker 2: remember is towards the end he predicted there was going
Speaker 2: to be a rom com renaissance. And that's when he
Speaker 2: lost me a little bit.
Speaker 1: When was this? What year was this?
Speaker 2: So this was twenty nineteen, I want to say, which
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it kind of came true.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of more rom comms these days than
Speaker 1: there were.
Speaker 2: But maybe he was just reading variety, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you could just do that.
Speaker 1: That's the thing with entertainment news. They announced things when
Speaker 1: they just first are getting made, right, So you could see, oh,
Speaker 1: a lot of studios right now are picking up rom coms,
Speaker 1: and then you could say, I have a feeling there's
Speaker 1: going to be a bunch around Colm soon. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what do you think of bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Bigfoot? Oh, I definitely think there's a strong possibility of
Speaker 2: a creature that lives out in the somewheres. I as
Speaker 2: a kid was terrified because my brother told me that
Speaker 2: he learned in church that Cain of Cain and.
Speaker 1: Abel, famous Cain and Abel.
Speaker 2: Caine was cursed to wander the earth forever. And so
Speaker 2: my brother told me that that's kind of what Bigfoot was,
Speaker 2: that it was this cursed immortal man who was just
Speaker 2: wandering the earth, unable to die. So I from probably
Speaker 2: third to sixth grade, absolutely horrified that there was kind
Speaker 2: of just this shadowy figure, human like thing wandering around
Speaker 2: at all times.
Speaker 1: I have never heard that. I've never, of all my
Speaker 1: bigfoot talking, never thought about that heard that. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up because now I'm going to
Speaker 1: be thinking about this.
Speaker 2: It's spooky.
Speaker 1: That's so crazy because if you think about it, like bigfoots,
Speaker 1: they've been around for forever, like people have been reported
Speaker 1: seeing have have reported seeing these things, and it's like,
Speaker 1: what if it was one man, and he goes from
Speaker 1: state to state because you always hear about it in
Speaker 1: different states, right, and he's like, well, what the hell
Speaker 1: else am I gonna do? You know, I might as
Speaker 1: well just travel because I literally can't die.
Speaker 2: He's got all the time in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he probably walks on the freeway cars and
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, Like that's interesting. Huh.
Speaker 2: No will to live, No one will leave them alone.
Speaker 1: What do you think of UFOs aliens?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Of course. I mean if aliens don't exist, then
Speaker 2: what's happening? You know, they're out there somewhere UFOs. I
Speaker 2: definitely think there's a chance. I don't think anyone has
Speaker 2: made any contact with them. I mean I think there's
Speaker 2: a chance people have seen them. I've seen the you know,
Speaker 2: the Air Force footage or whatever, and I can understand
Speaker 2: the logic of like, if you want to observe something,
Speaker 2: you cannot allow it to know that you're present, because
Speaker 2: then it begins to behave differently.
Speaker 1: Oh so what about these people that say that they
Speaker 1: got lifted up into the sky and stuff got put
Speaker 1: in there?
Speaker 2: But right, this goes back to the ghost thing where
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, nobody I know one I would allow
Speaker 2: to handle my finances. Has ever claimed to be a
Speaker 2: UFO abductee?
Speaker 1: Now what if your tax guy? My, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: god taken up there.
Speaker 2: I think he has. I've been trying to call him
Speaker 2: for days. I'm not kidding. It's a nightmare. I've left
Speaker 2: so many voicemail I'm emailing every day. Bruce, please contact me.
Speaker 2: We're long past text day.
Speaker 1: When he comes back, send him my way to come
Speaker 1: on the show, because I want to hear what he
Speaker 1: was doing up there.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be arrested. What I sent all my
Speaker 2: tax and phone in the mail. I don't know where
Speaker 2: any of it is.
Speaker 1: Oh no, well, Bridger, thanks for joining me.
Speaker 2: Roz, I'm so glad to have been here.
Speaker 1: Tell people to listen to your show and everything you
Speaker 1: want them to know.
Speaker 2: I have a podcast called I Said No Gifts, which
Speaker 2: Roz has been on and was so delightful.
Speaker 1: I gave you a gift.
Speaker 2: You gave me a wig, A beautiful wig.
Speaker 1: Is it still there?
Speaker 2: It's actually? I mean this is I'm gathering so many
Speaker 2: things for Oz. You know all of this behind me
Speaker 2: is from the podcast. Can you see all here?
Speaker 1: The wig?
Speaker 2: I miss her?
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't. It's over.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to have her here in the office. I'm on.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I have the podcast and people can follow
Speaker 2: these things on social media. I said no gifts. People
Speaker 2: should listened to Ghosted. Leave reviews for Ghosted.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, five stars. Please. Well, Bridger,
Speaker 1: thanks for being my first ex Mormon to come on
Speaker 1: the show and to bring up that cane thing. I
Speaker 1: never would have thought about that.
Speaker 2: We may have correct the case.
Speaker 1: That's great. Bible is real, all right, bye bye, Thank
Speaker 1: you so so much to Bridger Wineger. Go listen to
Speaker 1: that podcast. I said, no gifts. Hey, I'd love you all,
Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you
Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt me.
Speaker 2: Okay, bye.
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Speaker 1: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the
Speaker 1: alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed
Speaker 1: by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the
Speaker 1: petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair raising
Speaker 1: Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by the spine
Speaker 1: chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac.
Speaker 1: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
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