1 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: It's spooky and jooky. 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: a minute, Hey, I ghosted mondays Pllease, hey boo, it's 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: me Roz. Welcome to ghost It by Roz Hernandez, the 6 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: podcast where I talk to people that I like about 7 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 1: the paranormal and we usually stay on topic, though sometimes 8 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: not always, but yeah we do. I think we do 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: a pretty good job at staying on topic. Today we're 10 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: gonna cover all kinds of topics, and in this little 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: intro here, I've got an interesting one for you. I 12 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: got an email from a listener named Caroline. Hi, Caroline, 13 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Caroline rides Rous. I am a huge fan of your podcast. 14 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: It's so fun, such a mood booster. Thank you. I'm 15 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: a local news reporter in southern Oklahoma, and since I 16 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: know you are a Bigfoot fan, I wanted to share 17 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: my latest story with you. It was a wild non 18 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: jury trial where the defendant got on the stand and 19 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: explained why he killed his friend, which was because he 20 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: thought his friend had summoned Bigfoot to kill him on 21 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: their fishing trip. I never thought I would have to 22 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: decide whether the plural of bigfoot was bigfoots or big feet. 23 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: I went with bigfoots, but I'm still on the fence 24 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: big fun I mean, I like big feet. It makes 25 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: me laugh, but yeah, bigfoots, Sasquatches, Sasquatchee, sasquatch Hi. I 26 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: don't know. Uh so this didn't make it into my story, 27 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: but he claimed he saw several bigfoots that day at 28 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: the river. The first one was described as a twelve 29 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: feet tall black creature dipping its toe in the river, 30 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: whose face was blocked by a tree. The others were 31 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: ten feet even fifteen feet tall, apparently, and they were 32 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: dark brown and dark red. I wish I could have 33 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: written more about the story, but I only had a 34 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: minute of airtime. I have attached a screenshot of his 35 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: mental competency slash insanity evaluation, where basically the evaluator wrote 36 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: that believing in Bigfoot is not a reason to be 37 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: considered legally insane. I never thought I would see that 38 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: in a court document. It reminded me of the legally 39 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: haunted house you mentioned on the podcast. Oh, I think 40 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: I did mention something about that at one point. What 41 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: was that story? I don't remember now, but yes, so Okay, 42 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: very interesting. Basically, you know, he's been evaluated and it's 43 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: been determined. Okay, he's not insane because he said he 44 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 1: saw bigfoot. However, he did kill his friend, so that's 45 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: very unfortunate that the poor friend was killed. But I'm 46 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: clicking on your article which is on KXII dot com, 47 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: and and here it says the guy's name was Larry Sanders, 48 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: not to be confused with the nineties HBO sitcom Larry 49 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: Sanders starring Gary Shanling, which I love. So he was 50 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: a fifty five year old man. It's guilty of murdering 51 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: Jimmy Knighton, Rest in peace, Jimmy. So it says. Sanders 52 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: took the stand Wednesday and told the courtroom about the 53 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: fishing trip that turned deadly, saying he thought strange things 54 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: began happening that July afternoon. Sanders claimed to see a 55 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: twelve foot tall bigfoot downstream and hear Knighton, the man 56 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: he killed, Howell, into a drainage pipe. Sanders said that 57 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: Knighton had pointed out a fish to him and was 58 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: telling him to get that fish. Sanders said he when 59 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: he told Knighton, he didn't want to get that fish 60 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: Knighton kept telling him to. Sanders told the courtroom that 61 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: he began to feel suspicious and believe Knighton was planning 62 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: on drowning him and floating his body downstream to feed 63 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: him to Bigfoot. Later the afternoon, they got into a 64 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: physical fight. He wasn't trying to kill him, do okay. 65 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: His sentencing hearing is on June eighteenth, and he is 66 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: facing life or life without parole. Wow, Okay, Yes, this 67 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: is one of these ones where I don't even know 68 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: what to say. I mean, it's obviously turned something that 69 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: turned into a very serious situation, though nonetheless very interesting 70 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: the way that it sort of inter laps with what 71 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: we talk about on the show, it's very strange. But yeah, 72 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: I mean there's been like, there's been several cases over 73 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: the years where it's it's tricky if you want to 74 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: believe in this stuff, because for example, like one that 75 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: comes to mind, what was the guy's name, ar Arnie Johnson, 76 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: the Devil made Me do it case that the Conjuring 77 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: Three is based on where he says that he was 78 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: possessed by the devil and that caused him to murder people, 79 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: and they tried to bring that into court and say 80 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: that he was possessed, and it's it's it's tough because 81 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: there's there's if there's no concrete evidence of that kind 82 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: of a thing. It's all speculative. Anyway, I'm just sharing 83 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: an email that I was sent and thank you Caroline 84 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: for sending me that. Okay, I've got on one of 85 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: my siblings here at exactly right, Bridger Wineger. He has 86 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: a podcast, of course, called I Said No Gifts. So 87 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: let's listen to Bridger and with this show I said 88 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: now Gifts. Bridger Winegers here. 89 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: Hello, raz, how are you? 90 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: I am fabulous. I've got my exactly right brother in 91 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: the studio today. 92 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 2: It's so nice to be with it. Fellow network person. 93 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: Oh yes, family, just the comfort. 94 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: You grew up Mormon? What was that like? 95 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: Uh? Good and largely bad, mostly bad, you know, pleasant enough, 96 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: but also you know, horrifying. 97 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: I never click on the documentaries. I see the documentaries 98 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: and I never click which ones. 99 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: Let's say, there's the Hidden in Plain Sight. Uh huh, 100 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: that's the kind of UFO kidnapping one. Oh like that 101 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: one's like kind of Mormonism's in the air. But it's 102 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: more about the kidnapping and the alien and the all 103 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: sorts of I mean, like every thirty seconds of that 104 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,559 Speaker 2: documentary is like the most insane thing you've ever heard. 105 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: Were you in any type of UFO situation? 106 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: No, I was never part of a UFO situation. You know. 107 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: Mormons have their own like take on the spirit world 108 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: and they do the baptisms for the dead. 109 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 110 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: I feel like in comparison to other religions, like with Catholicism, 111 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: like ghosts and stuff and demons, it's very operatic almost, 112 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: and I feel like with Mormons it's a more there's 113 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: like a lot of like grounded, like almost like creating 114 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: logic for what spirits do and what they're up to. 115 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So, but ultimately they do believe in like spirits, right. 116 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: They believe. Yeah, And this is all coming from someone 117 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: who's been removed from it for way longer than a decade. 118 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: But I feel like the Mormon origin story is that 119 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: there's like a war in heaven before Earth existed, okay, 120 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: and all of the people who were on Satan's side 121 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: all of this spirits like got banished, and I believe 122 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: were banished to West Hollywood. Earth mostly condensed in West Hollywood. Okay, 123 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 2: So I don't know. Billions and billions of evil spirits 124 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 2: are just kind of roaming the earth at all times. 125 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: I love them, and I think I could be wrong, 126 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure that's kind of what thing is. 127 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean sounds like a party to me, 128 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: all the evil spirits just roaming around. 129 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: Just constantly tempting. They don't drink, right, No, they don't drink. 130 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: Because that's one of the big differences between with Catholicism 131 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: is all of their you know, the opera as you've described, 132 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: is a lot of it's fueled by a little bit 133 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: of that blood of Christ. Honey. 134 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're drinking in church. 135 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I started drinking when I was what eight something 136 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: like that, the first time I had the zip of alcohol. 137 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: That's crazy, that. 138 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: Is so wild. Mormons do the same thing, but just 139 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: with tap water. 140 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 141 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: Sure, you drink a little like a little thing of 142 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: tap water and a piece of like ripped up wonderbread. 143 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: Not as sexy, I'm sorry, it's not as sexy. I 144 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: had that blood of Christ when I was like eight, 145 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: and I was like cut to rehab at twenty one. 146 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: But anyway, nine years of recovery so what do you 147 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: believe when it comes to ghost are you? Are you 148 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: here for it? 149 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: I want to be here for it. I'm not totally against. 150 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: I'm not ruling anything out. I refuse to rule anything out. 151 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: Okay, that's nice. 152 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: I've had like a mild ghosty experience. I've never no 153 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: one in my life who I trust has had a 154 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 2: ghost experience, if that makes any sense. But a lot 155 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: of people you don't trust, Yes, people who a I'm like, 156 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: I mean, of course, of course experience. 157 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: Yes, I know. Sometimes it's a little bit difficult when 158 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: people have really good ghost stories, but then they're also 159 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: the same people where you're like, don't you claim to 160 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: be second cousins with John Travolta, Because I don't know 161 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: that that's true. We've looked into it, but like, okay, whatever, 162 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: Like you always have. You're always the most interesting person 163 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: in the room, aren't you. 164 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: For a reason everything's fabricated or But I mean, I 165 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: guess those people believe it. You just don't want to 166 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: know too much about the rest of their life, so 167 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: you can believe their ghost story. 168 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: Right, So, but nobody that you trust counter to ghats Okay, 169 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: what is your mild ghost story? 170 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: My mild ghost story is I think it was twenty 171 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: thirteen or twenty fourteen. My great grandma. She died in 172 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 2: two thousand and three. Aura. I had a really close 173 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: relationship with her. She was wonderful and every birthday she 174 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: would cut up an old greeting card into like puzzle 175 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: pieces and give it as a gift with a little 176 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: note that said life is a puzzle, and so am I. 177 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: And that was like a yearly thing that we would get. 178 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: She died in two thousand and three. Twenty thirteen. I'd 179 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: been living in Los Angeles for a few years and 180 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 2: I had to walk to work every day. And one 181 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: day I was walking to work. 182 00:11:59,000 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: Where are you where again? 183 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: I was a PA at Television City and near the grove. 184 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: Oh what they do? Price is right? 185 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 2: Price is right. I was so tempted to push the wheel. 186 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: Is that what you were working on? 187 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: No, my god, I wish I was at the Late 188 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: Late Show with Craig Ferguson. Ah okay, But I was 189 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: on my way walking there and that phrase crossed my mind. 190 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: Life is a puzzle, and so am I? And I thought, Oh, 191 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: that's such a nice memory of great Grandma. Walked to work, 192 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: went through the workday and at the end of the 193 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: day I called my mom to just catch up. We 194 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: were talking, talking, talking, and she said, oh, by the way, 195 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: today's great grandma's birthday. I was not aware of my 196 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: great grandma's birthday. I mean, obviously logically we can reason 197 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: this out. Subconsciously, I knew her birth date, and somehow 198 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: my brain just brought that up. But it really was 199 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: such a bizarre coincidence. Didn't feel spooky or anything, but 200 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: it did feel so like, oh, why else would that 201 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: have come into my mind? Totally either basic psychology now 202 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: or but it's just such a bizarre like because I 203 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 2: if you had asked me prior to that day, when 204 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: is great Grandma's birthday? I would have had no idea. 205 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: What do you think? 206 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm one hundred percent on board with not going 207 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: with science on that one. I think that there is 208 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: that it happened for a reason. Does that happen to 209 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: you any other time? 210 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: Or is this like this was a one off thing 211 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: that and like a recurring dream I had as a kid, 212 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: or the two like closest things to paranormal that I've had. 213 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: Why is the recurring dream? 214 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: Probably up until sixth grade like when i'd have the 215 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: flu and i'd get a high fever. I would have 216 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: this fever dream every time. My dad's business is kind 217 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: of like a garage slash, big empty warehouse, and I 218 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: would have a dream that I was there. It was 219 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: empty except for a large like wooden shipping crates, and 220 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: I would look up and on top of one of 221 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 2: the wooden chipping crates was a little girl in a 222 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: kind of a sailor striped shirt, and we would just 223 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: look at each other and then the dream would be over. 224 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: This happened every time I had a fever, and it 225 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: wasn't one of those things where it's like, oh, I 226 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: know that person from real life. It was a character 227 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: fabricated by my brain or ghost girl. Now it was a. 228 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: Little girl that died of a fever in that building. 229 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: It has to be. 230 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know where else that would have come from, 231 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: because you recognize everyone in your dreams, you know, Like 232 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: I don't have dreams about people I've never seen before. 233 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: You just reminded me of something I haven't thought about 234 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: in fifteen years. A lot of parallels. Okay. When I 235 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: first moved to La within the first few days, I 236 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: got a job as an extra on an independent film. 237 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: I know I'm bragging here. 238 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: But can we Is it possible to see you in this? 239 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: No? Now, I don't think you. It was one of 240 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: these things. I don't even think they bade me. I 241 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: think I was just like, oh, that sounds fun, of course. 242 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: And then I remember, like five years later it finally 243 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: came out, you know, because it was just like an 244 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: indie thing, and then I was like, you, guys, this 245 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: is my film debut. I'm not even in it. But 246 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: this one scene we were doing. It was an exterior shot, 247 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: but we used the bathrooms inside the building, and inside 248 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: the building was a sex toy warehouse, and so when 249 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: I went in to go to the bathroom, there was 250 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: just like inventory everywhere, like lining shelves. And that night 251 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: I had a dream that the place was on fire 252 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: and I got trapped when I went to the bathroom, 253 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: and when I came out, it was like pee wee 254 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: herman like with the snakes in his hands, and but 255 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: that was me with the sex toys. I had them 256 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: in my hands and I was trying to save them. 257 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: And then I woke up laughing so hard. It was 258 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: the first time I ever woke up laughing. I don't 259 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: think I ever had sense. 260 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: Just fistfuls of dildo's. 261 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: Exactly and just fire behind me, and I was like, 262 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: why are these dilldose in my hands? 263 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: Hey? 264 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Can I tell you? Speaking of fire? God? I'm real, 265 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm so fucking good at this. I have a story 266 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: that involves fire. It's a famous story that I've researched. 267 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: Okay, I'd love to hear it now. 268 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: This is one of these stories where we're definitely all 269 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: gonna go, Okay, is this a paranormal story? Is it not? 270 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I find it very fascinating. And 271 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: it's a new one to me. I never heard of it, 272 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: but apparently it's very famous. It's the story of Carol Compton. 273 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: Oh I like that name, Yes, Caro. Oh, there's some 274 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: good ones. I look for names first and foremost, and 275 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: this one has a couple of good ones. You were 276 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: at the live show, that one that had some good names. 277 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: Wild names. Yeah, every one of those names felt yeah, 278 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 2: totally fictional. 279 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: I know, and maybe you never know, maybe some of 280 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: them have been changed. Because people's lives get ruined by 281 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: these stories once they start getting in the news, and 282 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times In my opinion, the ones that 283 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: are these stories that are very real seeming are the 284 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 1: people that are just like I'm just a normal person 285 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry I told a reporter my story one time, 286 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: but now I'm famous and I don't want that. 287 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: Leave me alone. 288 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Carol Coompton. There is a great article that 289 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: was written on medium dot com by Elizabeth Melville in 290 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and the story of Carol Compton is that 291 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two, she was a twenty year old 292 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: young lady from Aberdeen, Scotland. She gets engaged to a 293 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: hot Italian soldier name. 294 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: I don't officially know that, but it sounds hot. 295 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: Honey. Have you been to Italy? 296 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I have, just last year. Actually, then you know 297 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. They are their hit rate with 298 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: men is so high. 299 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: Okay, now this is gonna sound shitty. I've had some 300 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: romances with some men here in Los Angeles that are 301 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: visiting from Italy, and I'm like, they're the hottest guys 302 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my entire life. Then I go 303 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: to Italy and I realize, I'm sorry, I didn't realize 304 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: that the guys that I hooked up with here in America. 305 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: I think they kicked out of Italy because they were 306 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: so hideous and these were hot guys. 307 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: You're getting like a Rome four. 308 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, a Rome one is in La fifteen. 309 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, truly, So anyway, and thank you to the 310 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 1: men that visited here and Garrazzi grat. 311 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: Okay. 312 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: So she's living in Scotland with her hot Italian soldier 313 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: named Marco. She's twenty. He gets called back to Italy 314 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: because he has to serve in the military, and she's like, no, 315 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: marry me, Like, I'll get a job. I'll go to 316 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: Italy with you, Like, don't leave me. So they decide 317 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: to get engaged. She is like, okay, I'll find I'll 318 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: find something to do in Italy. I'll get a job. 319 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: So I should add that at this point in her life, 320 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: she's starting to have like all these weird experiences. She's 321 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: having things disappear and reappear around her. Electrical items would 322 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: be malfunctioning around her, so kind of like some weird 323 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: like is there a ghost around her? Is she does 324 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: she have a poulterr geits going on. She's got a 325 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: job at a fish canning factory. Oh very hot. Yeah, 326 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: this man has to deal with this woman showing up 327 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: smelling like trout. She's coming back home smelling like tune, 328 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: and he's like, I love you, baby. So she's got 329 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: a fish canning job. 330 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: That's so demeaning. What she's a proud fish canner roz. 331 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: Okay, but have you seen Marco. 332 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: He's he could do better than a fish canner. I suppose. 333 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I don't know what either of 334 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: these people look like, to be honest with you, but 335 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: all I know is that there's no doubt she smell 336 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: like fish. She's in a fish cannon fact, very true. 337 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: Very true. Okay, there's no getting away from that smell. 338 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: But by the way, before she has moved to Italy, 339 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: back in Scotland, she's cannon fishes and a conveyor belt 340 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: snaps and it almost severs her leg off. 341 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 342 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: So at this point she's like, all right, I'm cursed. 343 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: So she goes over to Italy. She gets a job 344 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: with a nanny service. They place her with a family 345 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: very briefly. It doesn't work out. We'll get back to 346 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: that later. So then they find her another family and 347 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: she moves to the island of Elba, and that is 348 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: where she is taking care of a little girl named 349 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: Agnese Checcini. 350 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: Moving to an island is never a good sign in 351 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 2: a ghost story. 352 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: It's the vacation home of the Checchini family. Carol Compton 353 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: at this point is thinking. She says, HOI my bank 354 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: account's going Checcini. We got some chichinging going on here 355 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: with these Chuccinis. So she's with Agnese Chiaccini, who's three 356 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: years old. She only lasts two days because and I'm sorry, 357 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: I know we need to get to the ghost part. 358 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: She puts little Agnese Chuccini down for a nap and 359 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: the family notices a black smoke coming out of Agnese 360 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: Chicccini's bedroom. The todler's mattress is on fire. Don't worry. 361 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: It was quickly put out and Agnese Chicccini was fine, 362 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: But the family is pissed because the day before there 363 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: was a fire in the grandparents' bedroom. 364 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: Carol is smoking all over the house. 365 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 1: It seems like the grandma is furious. She actually locks 366 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: Carol Compton on a balcony and calls the cops. 367 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: At the smoking section. 368 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: Yes, she probably loved it. So the cops show up 369 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: and they charge her with arson and attempted murder because 370 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: this little girl was in danger, and they place her 371 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: in jail. Now, the grandmother, whose name is Ancila Chuccini, 372 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: she tells the press that the nanny's a witch and 373 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: that she starts fires with telekinesis. 374 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 2: Jumping to conclusions. 375 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: Well, you remember the first family. They come forward and 376 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: they go she started three fires in our villa in 377 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: December of nineteen eighty three. The trial begins, and at 378 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: this point her fiance has left. 379 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: Marco's gone. 380 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: He's like, I am put up with the fish smell. 381 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: But the fires is too much. 382 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: Girl, the constant fires. 383 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: Yes, so her family's not talking to her. This poor 384 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: girl is dealing with fires everywhere. And the prosecuting attorney 385 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: and the trial is about to start speaking. He stands, 386 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: it's cinematic. He stands up to speak. The door flings 387 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: open and a little old lady with a crucifix barges in, 388 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: and this is Sierra Lobina, who is a famous psychic 389 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: and healer, and she claims that she is there to 390 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: get rid of a demon that is inside of Carol, 391 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: and that she and her mother are possessed by an 392 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: eighteenth century witch. So that's what this psychic. 393 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: Could she get this information because she's. 394 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: A psychics now everything, How. 395 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: Does she find out the court date? 396 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: Because she's from psychic. That's why I'm telling you. 397 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: Just keeps up on the news. 398 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is a big press story. I 399 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: will say that. But this lady, she was probably like, 400 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: there's camels, I'm showing whatever. But she says that this 401 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: poor girl does not realize it. She's not evil, she 402 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: just has a witch that makes her cause fires. By 403 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: the way, Carol was literally in a cage when she 404 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: was on trial. 405 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 2: They were transporting her by cage. 406 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: Yes, like a parakeet. 407 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: Parakeet or hannibal or hannibal. Wow. 408 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: So the First family, they say that she was always 409 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 1: crying about her boyfriend and their son was scared of 410 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: her because every time the sun touched her, she burned him. Oh, 411 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: she was like hot to the touch, hot hands, hot hands. 412 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: So the First family, they had a Sicilian maid that 413 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: urged them to fire her because she believed that the 414 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: devil was inside of Carol. She said that a religious 415 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: painting fell off the wall when Carol passed by it, 416 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: and she witnessed bowls and other objects flying off of 417 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: the counters when Carol was around. 418 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: Oh, this is someone covering up their own mistakes. It 419 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 2: could be their own bad job. 420 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I made I didn't break that one of a 421 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: kind antique. It was a lady that was here for 422 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: two days. Another maid said that when the first fire 423 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: was happening at I think this is at the first house. 424 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: She said that Carol was just standing there in a trance, 425 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: staring at the flames. Now here's something that's really interesting. 426 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: A forensic expert examined the mattress and he concluded that 427 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: the fire was caused by an intense heat. It was 428 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: not a flame, it was not a cigarette, and that 429 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: the flame moved downward rather than upward. And he said 430 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: he has never seen anything like that in all of 431 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: his forensic years. So psychiatrists examined her. They concluded that 432 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: she has an abnormble personality, but she's not psychotic or 433 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: a pyromaniac, and she had being found not guilty. The 434 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: verdict found that she was, you know, the sort of 435 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: what They concluded she is causing these fires because she 436 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: wanted the families, which they're in their vacation homes. She 437 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: wanted them to go back home to Rome so that 438 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: she could be with their boyfriends. That's what they're you know, reasoning. 439 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: Why she thought or they thought she was trying to 440 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: drive them out with flames so she could hang out 441 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 2: at the vacation home. 442 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: No, so that they could leave the vacation homes and 443 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: go back to where the families are based. 444 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: And oh so she could see Okay, that's a better plan. 445 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: Now. That's when you know a guy is hot, when 446 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: you're like, I will burn down a rich person's house 447 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: so that they will move me closer to you. 448 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: Like, that's crazy, I'll put my career in jeopardy. 449 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you had to put me in a 450 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: cage to keep me away from you. So they believe 451 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: that there was no evidence of how she did the 452 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: fires because she may have done them with alcohol, you know, 453 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: so it kind of evaporated. 454 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: But it's a bad way to start a fire. 455 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: I mean again, this is all very questionable. Is this 456 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: a paranormal thing or was she causing these fires? But 457 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of witnesses that believe that this woman 458 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: was telekinetic, that she was possessed or who knows what 459 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: that she had a poulter geist, she was cursed. We're 460 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: not sure, but you know, she got off. She ended 461 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: up going back to Scotland and was right back at 462 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: the fish canning factory. 463 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 2: They took her back. 464 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: They took her back. I guess they didn't get that 465 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: news story. And also they're like, you know, it's a 466 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: fish canning factory, so there's liquids everywhere. At least if 467 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: there's a fire, you could throw an empty can of 468 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: sardines at it. And she married a man, a different 469 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: one that wrote to her when she was in jail, oh, 470 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: which I always love, and she to this day. She's 471 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: a private citizen as far as we know, and she's 472 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: never been able to give a reasonable explanation. She doesn't know. 473 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: But no fires since that we know of. That's the thing. 474 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: And that's why I'm like, what about when she was 475 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: locked up? Because this trial happened three years after the 476 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: initial incidents, So was she burning shit and all that time? 477 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: I don't know? No, Sorry, this wasn't three years. This 478 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: was one year after because it started in eighty two. 479 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: The trial was in eighty three. Okay, so I don't know. 480 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 1: But either way, this story, I apologize It's not the 481 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: best paranormal story ever, but it sort of is part 482 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: of this conversation I think. 483 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: I mean, but I do kind of lean towards it 484 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: some paranormal thing happening. She lit how many fires? I mean, 485 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: six fires started, and she was never to be like 486 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: you think she would have gotten better at it if 487 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: that was her plan. You think like the fourth or 488 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: fifth fire would have been the one that actually worked. 489 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: Maybe she was just doing them to scare them. You know, 490 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if she was trying to burn the 491 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: house down. Apparently in the second house, the Tuccini house, 492 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: the first fire she did, she was nowhere near it. Okay, 493 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: that's why the family was like, she couldn't have gone 494 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: in there and lit this on fire. They were very 495 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: convinced that they thought it was an electrical thing. But 496 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: then it became way too coincidental when there was another 497 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: fire the next day. So who knows? Could she cause 498 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: fires with her mind? It's a thing that people report 499 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: is possible. 500 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: Could we I feel like, I forgive me the psychic surprise? 501 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 2: Witness what happened there. She stormed in with the cross. 502 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: Oh, they got her ass out of there. They were 503 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: like lady, this is wonderful, but this is like an 504 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: actual trial. Like now this is becoming a circus. This 505 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: is the kind of thing that ends up on a 506 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: ghost podcast forty years later, like we need you to 507 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: get out of here, ma'am, please, ma'am. This is a courtroom. 508 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: This is not a psychic fair. Yeah, anyway, can I 509 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: show you a haunted eBay doll? 510 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: I would love nothing more? 511 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: Well, you're in luck because you're not just getting one 512 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: this time. You're getting three spirits for the price of one. 513 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 2: Is it a lot a lot of dolls? Nope? 514 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: Gee, how can you show it to us? It's like 515 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: a statue. It's like a garden statue, and it appears 516 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: to be like an Elvis with some lady and they're 517 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: dancing seductively. 518 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: It's just like a bad Tim Burton fan art or something. Yes, 519 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: how big do you think that is? It's hard to 520 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: tell from well, I guess it's. Oh, you can see 521 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: the bricks in the background, so it's. 522 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: It's about three bricks tall. 523 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: Three bricks do all classic measurement. 524 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: It's about three bricks with some grout and I don't know, 525 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: it looks like it's made of a silly string. I 526 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: don't know what the hell. It's some kind of folk 527 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: art thing, sort of thing you get when you're at 528 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: like a craft fair and you're like, well, I didn't 529 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: buy anything. I feel like I need to. I'll get this. 530 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: And what does it say there at the base of it? 531 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: Can you tell where there's a there's a little like 532 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: plaque on it that says something. 533 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: Oh like really small. 534 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't know what that says, but probably 535 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: says haunted. 536 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: The spirits inside are Sweetness, Michael, and Abe, three three 537 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: of them. They're going currently for one hundred and twenty 538 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: five US dollars, and the biography that comes with it 539 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: says this, there are three spirits attached to this vessel, 540 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: two men and a woman. It was insane figuring out 541 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: the backstory and confusing as well. So Abe is the 542 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: husband of the woman's spirit. When asking the woman's spirit's name, 543 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: Abe interferes and says slut oh. He calls her every 544 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: derogatory name in the book and won't allow her to speak. 545 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: I give her pet names when talking to her about her. 546 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: Sweetheart is what I use the most. Abe will not 547 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: allow her to speak at all. As a punishment, for 548 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: her infidelity. I'm unsure of how to free his wife 549 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: from this. Now another spirit, Michael is also attached, and 550 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: he's treated terribly as well. Michael was the man that 551 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: she had the affair with. Abe unlived them when he 552 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: found them in a hotel together. The couple attached to 553 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: this vessel for their love bond, but when Abe passed away, 554 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: he attached to it and took over. 555 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: Oh God, the control. 556 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: If anyone is familiar of how to free them from 557 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,239 Speaker 1: this or figure this out, please let me know or 558 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: adopt them. It has been insane over here as Abe 559 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: will audibly shout horrible words about them. He'll knock things 560 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: over and break things and flicker lights. Okay, so I 561 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: can tell that the person that wrote this they've been 562 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: through it. 563 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 2: Honey, busy, busy, busy. 564 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been a whole situation. So basically, long 565 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: story short, two people hooked up, the husband killed the 566 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: two of them. Then eventually he dies and then he's 567 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: like where are those two And then he finds them 568 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 1: in this garden gnome situation and then he joined like 569 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: what I don't know about all that? 570 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: Are these representations of those two people or they just. 571 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: Attached and they just found themselves in this. 572 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: Kind of a perfect little thing vessel for them. 573 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like, oh, this will be great, Like 574 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: it's like two levers kind of this is very us. Yeah, 575 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: so us. And then one day the guy dies and 576 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: then he's like, man by me, bitch it Like that's 577 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: just so. I don't believe it. 578 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 2: I don't believe it, but I don't know. 579 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: Maybe that's what happens when we die. 580 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 2: I feel like he got what he murdered them. What 581 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 2: else does he have to do? Move on? 582 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: Move on, loser? 583 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 2: Why would you want to reattach to this situation? Seriously, 584 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: there's no way. 585 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: What they need is better help dot com. I'm telling 586 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: you these promo code ghosted. So much of this is like, 587 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: if you would just deal with your shit, you wouldn't 588 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: be roaming the earth or attaching to doll when you die. 589 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: Just deal with your shit when you're alive. 590 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 2: Just take care of things. 591 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of can I play you some ghost voices? 592 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 2: Oh? I'd love to hear some communication. 593 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: It's time for EVP or ev please all right, Bridgard? 594 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: What I do is I go to YouTube dot com 595 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: and I look for alleged recordings of ghosts speaking. I'm 596 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: gonna play two of them for you, and I want 597 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: you to tell me what you think the ghost is saying, 598 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: and then i'll give you some options abc D, one 599 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: of them being the correct answer of what the person 600 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: that posted it believes the ghost is saying. 601 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 2: Okay. 602 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: This first one comes from LP Investigators, and this was 603 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: recorded at an abandoned boarding school that also served as 604 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: a hospital. Oh and bring them Utah, Brigham City, Brigham City. 605 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: It was a hospital and a boarding school. I think 606 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: it's just a building that served as many things, begging 607 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: for ghosts, and now it's haunted. Okay, this one, first 608 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: of all, let me just play it for you. I'm 609 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: not gonna lie. It sounds a little sexual, but let's 610 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: just go for it. Listen for a ghost speaking. 611 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 2: Oh that's okay, so a little sexual. 612 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: The ghost the ghost hunter is apparently saying alright. I 613 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: don't know why she's saying it like that, but she's 614 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: saying alright, alright, but there is a ghost speaking under her. 615 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, So don't be distracted. 616 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 2: But the pornographic by this deeply satisfied ghost hunter, right. 617 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: Don't be distracted by that, Okay, I'm gonna play it again, okay, 618 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: so you can try to decipher the other voice talking 619 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: like that. 620 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: Okay, now that I'm aware of that bed of ghosts, 621 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: let me hear it again. I feel like the last 622 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 2: word is junior. 623 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: Jor jor Well, they did not think it was anything 624 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: of that nature. 625 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 2: Loretta junior, Loretta junior. 626 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so did they think it was a I didn't 627 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: like The Joker? They didn't like the movie The Joker? 628 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: Is it B I'm about to jump up? Oh they're 629 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: about to like jump. 630 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 2: Up right to right or off? 631 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: Or is it C I'll fucking choke her? Okay, that's all? 632 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: Or is it D I'm a fan of Joe Rogan. Okay, 633 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: let me play it again. It's one of those. 634 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's C. 635 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: I'll fucking choke her. That is what they believe it's said, 636 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: which is also you know, a little sexual possibly for 637 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,439 Speaker 1: some people. Right. So, now that we know it's I'll 638 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: fucking choke her, here we go. 639 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 2: Why is that person making why? 640 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: Okay, now you be the Now you be the ghost 641 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: and I'll be the ghost hunter. 642 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, go have you listened to any more of 643 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 2: this ghost clips? 644 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: There is one that I've heard where the ghost of 645 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: speaking and she's going, daddy what, No, I haven't heard 646 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: any others. 647 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 2: That's her trademark. 648 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: Listen, I don't know. I don't know if the ghost 649 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: was in on it. Like the ghost was like, I 650 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: know what, she'll like a joker. Okay. 651 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 2: It feels like they're both into something there. 652 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: Some people learn into that there's a. 653 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 2: Mutual something happening, you know what. 654 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful. 655 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 2: I think it's gorgeous. 656 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: I support all of this stuff. I did a show 657 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 1: last night, a stand up show for like kink people, 658 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 1: and I just found myself a lot of times going, 659 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: this is beautiful. It's wonderful. Some people are into farts 660 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: and slapping each other, it's beautiful. 661 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 2: Was she in the audience? U? 662 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: All of a sudden I got heckled. I heard someone 663 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: from the audience go okay, so one more. This is 664 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: from mister Tenacious One. It is also from Utah. It 665 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: is from the Utah Paranormal Research and Study and they 666 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: recorded this at Camp Floyd Army Base in Fairfield, Utah. 667 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: What is this ghost saying, brit Ter Winer, I. 668 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 2: Was so expecting another Alright, I was like I was 669 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,439 Speaker 2: just not even listening to the ghost sound. 670 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not fair. I should have warned you. Okay, 671 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: let me play it again. Here we go. Did that 672 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: make you feel more comfortable? 673 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 2: You need to have a button for that for the 674 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 2: rest of the time you do this podcast. 675 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: Okay, this one does not have any of that. This 676 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,439 Speaker 1: is just an old school ghost speaking in a very 677 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: unhorny way. 678 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 2: What is it saying? 679 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: Oh, Coca coca. 680 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 2: There's a there's a Coca loca, Coca coca. 681 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: Oh, you went to Coca loca. I feel like when 682 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: you go to Mexico, like certain parts, there's like a 683 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: guy on the street that's like, you want some Coca Loca. 684 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 2: And kind of just steps out from an alley. Yeah, 685 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 2: it's that last syllable that's so difficult to decipher after 686 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 2: the coca or oca. 687 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: I know. Well, here's some options. 688 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hear. 689 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: Is it a oh my girls rise up? Is it 690 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:08,919 Speaker 1: b oh? I don't like that? Is it c oh der? 691 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: But why sir? 692 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 2: Or D? What is D? You know what my vote is? 693 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: Okay, let me play it again. 694 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 2: I think that's Oh. I don't like that. 695 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: It is Oh, I don't like that hy buy over. 696 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a such a great pairing to 697 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 2: the first piece of audio. 698 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: It really is. 699 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 2: It was so sex positive, and. 700 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: Then the other one is very yeah, sex negative. Oh, 701 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: I don't like that. I'm not into that kind of 702 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: a thing. Well, Bridger, let's just do one more thing 703 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,439 Speaker 1: real quick. I'm gonna list off some paranormal phenomenals sort 704 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: of stuff that's part of this world. I'm just curious 705 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: if you have any thoughts of maybe something comes up. 706 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see what happens. 707 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 2: I'm excited. 708 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: What about psychics. What do you think of that? 709 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 2: Psychics? I that falls into the ghost territory for me, 710 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 2: where I like, I like to imagine that it could work. 711 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 2: I think, you know, when a psychic tells me something, 712 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 2: when a friend reads my horoscope, when I go to 713 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 2: see a psychic, I definitely believe or it at least 714 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 2: begins to affect the way I think or behave. Okay, 715 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 2: because better safe than sorry. Yeah, I feel like when 716 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 2: a psychic shows up, for example, in court, or when 717 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 2: someone's kidnapped and suddenly they're on entertainment tonight trying to 718 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 2: tell everyone where the kidnap victim is that's where I 719 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 2: start to think that's a different thing. That's somebody who 720 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 2: needs attention. Yeah, but private psychics, I feel like, I 721 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 2: don't know, there's some the possibility of some people having 722 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 2: an intuition. 723 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been, like intentionally to a psychic before? 724 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 2: I have, I've been to. I mean, I don't. And 725 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 2: that's the other thing I don't know really this world 726 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 2: what they like to be called. If this person was 727 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 2: an astrologer or whatever. I went to someone named Angel 728 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 2: for an hour. He did my birth chart. He told 729 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 2: me all these things. But the only thing I can 730 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 2: remember is towards the end he predicted there was going 731 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 2: to be a rom com renaissance. And that's when he 732 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 2: lost me a little bit. 733 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: When was this? What year was this? 734 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 2: So this was twenty nineteen, I want to say, which 735 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it kind of came true. 736 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of more rom comms these days than 737 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: there were. 738 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 2: But maybe he was just reading variety, you. 739 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you could just do that. 740 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: That's the thing with entertainment news. They announced things when 741 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: they just first are getting made, right, So you could see, oh, 742 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: a lot of studios right now are picking up rom coms, 743 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,439 Speaker 1: and then you could say, I have a feeling there's 744 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: going to be a bunch around Colm soon. Yeah, okay, 745 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: what do you think of bigfoot? 746 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 2: Bigfoot? Oh, I definitely think there's a strong possibility of 747 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 2: a creature that lives out in the somewheres. I as 748 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 2: a kid was terrified because my brother told me that 749 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 2: he learned in church that Cain of Cain and. 750 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: Abel, famous Cain and Abel. 751 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 2: Caine was cursed to wander the earth forever. And so 752 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 2: my brother told me that that's kind of what Bigfoot was, 753 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 2: that it was this cursed immortal man who was just 754 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,800 Speaker 2: wandering the earth, unable to die. So I from probably 755 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 2: third to sixth grade, absolutely horrified that there was kind 756 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 2: of just this shadowy figure, human like thing wandering around 757 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 2: at all times. 758 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: I have never heard that. I've never, of all my 759 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: bigfoot talking, never thought about that heard that. I'm so 760 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: glad you brought that up because now I'm going to 761 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: be thinking about this. 762 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,320 Speaker 2: It's spooky. 763 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,760 Speaker 1: That's so crazy because if you think about it, like bigfoots, 764 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 1: they've been around for forever, like people have been reported 765 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: seeing have have reported seeing these things, and it's like, 766 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 1: what if it was one man, and he goes from 767 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: state to state because you always hear about it in 768 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: different states, right, and he's like, well, what the hell 769 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: else am I gonna do? You know, I might as 770 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,959 Speaker 1: well just travel because I literally can't die. 771 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 2: He's got all the time in the world. 772 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he probably walks on the freeway cars and 773 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, Like that's interesting. Huh. 774 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 2: No will to live, No one will leave them alone. 775 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: What do you think of UFOs aliens? 776 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Of course. I mean if aliens don't exist, then 777 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 2: what's happening? You know, they're out there somewhere UFOs. I 778 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 2: definitely think there's a chance. I don't think anyone has 779 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 2: made any contact with them. I mean I think there's 780 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 2: a chance people have seen them. I've seen the you know, 781 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 2: the Air Force footage or whatever, and I can understand 782 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 2: the logic of like, if you want to observe something, 783 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 2: you cannot allow it to know that you're present, because 784 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 2: then it begins to behave differently. 785 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,879 Speaker 1: Oh so what about these people that say that they 786 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,359 Speaker 1: got lifted up into the sky and stuff got put 787 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 1: in there? 788 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,399 Speaker 2: But right, this goes back to the ghost thing where 789 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, nobody I know one I would allow 790 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 2: to handle my finances. Has ever claimed to be a 791 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,760 Speaker 2: UFO abductee? 792 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: Now what if your tax guy? My, Oh my god, 793 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: god taken up there. 794 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 2: I think he has. I've been trying to call him 795 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,919 Speaker 2: for days. I'm not kidding. It's a nightmare. I've left 796 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 2: so many voicemail I'm emailing every day. Bruce, please contact me. 797 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 2: We're long past text day. 798 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: When he comes back, send him my way to come 799 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: on the show, because I want to hear what he 800 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: was doing up there. 801 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 2: I'm going to be arrested. What I sent all my 802 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,879 Speaker 2: tax and phone in the mail. I don't know where 803 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 2: any of it is. 804 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: Oh no, well, Bridger, thanks for joining me. 805 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 2: Roz, I'm so glad to have been here. 806 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: Tell people to listen to your show and everything you 807 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: want them to know. 808 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 2: I have a podcast called I Said No Gifts, which 809 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 2: Roz has been on and was so delightful. 810 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 1: I gave you a gift. 811 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 2: You gave me a wig, A beautiful wig. 812 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,359 Speaker 1: Is it still there? 813 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,319 Speaker 2: It's actually? I mean this is I'm gathering so many 814 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 2: things for Oz. You know all of this behind me 815 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,319 Speaker 2: is from the podcast. Can you see all here? 816 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: The wig? 817 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:43,480 Speaker 2: I miss her? 818 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,919 Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't. It's over. 819 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 2: I'm glad to have her here in the office. I'm on. 820 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, I have the podcast and people can follow 821 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 2: these things on social media. I said no gifts. People 822 00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 2: should listened to Ghosted. Leave reviews for Ghosted. 823 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, five stars. Please. Well, Bridger, 824 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: thanks for being my first ex Mormon to come on 825 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: the show and to bring up that cane thing. I 826 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: never would have thought about that. 827 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,280 Speaker 2: We may have correct the case. 828 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:25,080 Speaker 1: That's great. Bible is real, all right, bye bye, Thank 829 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: you so so much to Bridger Wineger. Go listen to 830 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: that podcast. I said, no gifts. Hey, I'd love you all, 831 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you 832 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt me. 833 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 2: Okay, bye. 834 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,479 Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share 835 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out 836 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 1: loud and sometimes I'll even call you. So email me 837 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. You can 838 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,440 Speaker 1: send a DM or voice message to the show's Instagram 839 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: at Ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow while you're there, 840 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,880 Speaker 1: and follow me Roz on Instagram at roz Hernandez and 841 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,280 Speaker 1: on TikTok and twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior 842 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 1: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the 843 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,880 Speaker 1: alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed 844 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,239 Speaker 1: by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the 845 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:38,840 Speaker 1: petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair raising 846 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 1: Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by the spine 847 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. 848 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the 849 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:04,239 Speaker 1: chilling Karen Kilgareff Ookey Georgia Hard Start and the frightening 850 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: Danielle Kramer.