1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey p Joe Pizipia, and 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: today we're gonna talk about the rise ors. That's right, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Rise up, everybody, because there's some names that are tick 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: tick ticking up the board already and it's only June. 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: To help us break down some of those guys because 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: of well, Best Ball drafts or certain Ota buzz, all 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: the stuff that's going on right now. The guys that 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: have their ears to the grindstone, eyes to the grindstone. Nos, 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I don't know their faces are in the grindstone. You 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: would Jake Seeley from The Athletic Everybody, and of course 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Andrew Erickson mister Big Pod Energy himself. Of course, don't 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel right here. Drop 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: your comments below like this video. It's very easy to do. 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: And Jake another great T shirt today. I can only 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: imagine your house like when you open the closet, it 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: looks like a Spencer's gifts. It's just like racks of 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: T shirts of just clever sayings and things like that. 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: Is that kind of what it is they're on now? 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: So you got the serial Killers that you got that. Yeah, 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: I got. 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: No so our church CG mayor CG. They were asking, 24 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: they were like, what's one weird thing about you that 25 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: most people don't know? 26 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 3: And I was like my T shirt collection. 27 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: They're like, how many do you have? 28 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't know. 29 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: Like sixty. 30 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: Nicole goes, no, it's over one hundred. I was like, 31 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: all right, Ben, yeah, and we went home and counted. 32 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: She was right. 33 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: She won the prices right, it's well over one hundred. 34 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: And to your point, they're on hangers that they're hanging 35 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: this way over. I have to buy long hangers on 36 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: Amazon just to make it work. They're color coded. It 37 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: goes from black to purple with the transit depending on 38 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: your mood. 39 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: So it's like a mood. 40 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: I know where to find T shirts like it's grays 41 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 2: were scattered all over, like I just know like where 42 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: to look first. 43 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: Like that's actually good. 44 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: I like that system. That's a good. Saint Andrew, do 45 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: you have any odd collections of things you'd like to 46 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: share with the public? 47 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 4: Odd collections of things? 48 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: Ze? 49 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 4: I don't do think so, I don't think there's anything 50 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: I'm not really much of a collector, to be honest. 51 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: That's good. 52 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 4: That's good because nothing comes to maybe I'm maybe I 53 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 4: need to think about this. Maybe ask me again at 54 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 4: the end of the show. 55 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: No, all right, well look it's probably a good something 56 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: because stuff is overrated and at the end of the day, 57 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, someday it all goes to your kids and 58 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: they're just gonna thrown out. 59 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a reason why he got married by four 60 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: forty unlike me. 61 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: So stuff, he's so much better adjusted than you. All right, 62 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the adjustments you might have 63 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: to make. See that transition to your rankings, everybody, and 64 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: let's start before anything about what makes a player rise 65 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: up the draft board for you guys. All right, So Eric, 66 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: so I'll start with you with this question here when 67 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: you're looking at guys that I understand situations are important, 68 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: but I think we all have the same information. But 69 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: what else kind of pops with you when you see 70 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: a player in your research or you see a player 71 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, a situation no TIA's or some news that 72 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: drops that makes you want to take a player up 73 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: a few notches in your ranks. 74 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: That has to be new information. So I think that 75 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 4: we're all going into the same every day, were going 76 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 4: and do with the same information about player X y Z. 77 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 4: But when we get something new, that's when I think 78 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 4: you need to readjust your priors basically and to then 79 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: separate that from what is camp hype. When it's this 80 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: guy made a sick play on air, got to move 81 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: him up the rankings. Why we already knew he could 82 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 4: make sick plays against air, that's nothing new. So trying 83 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 4: to separate what is new information or something when you're 84 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 4: doing your research, Oh, I didn't know this about this 85 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 4: certain player last year, that he was dealing with this 86 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 4: type of injury. We get injury news too. I know 87 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 4: a lot of players will always say that I was 88 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 4: playing banged up. I think we got some news about 89 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 4: Rjie Harvey, you know, having a. 90 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: Operation on his shoulder. On the shoulder. 91 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 4: Didn't know about that. Again, like, that's that's new information 92 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 4: that you then have to process. The Alf Pierce thing 93 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 4: as we'll kind of talk about him a little bit too, 94 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 4: how he's going to be potentially late to training camp, 95 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: so they're hopeful the Colts will see him at the 96 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 4: end of training camp. So new information is where I 97 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: tried to make adjustments. 98 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: All right, Jake, what moves the needle for you when 99 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about the risers in your ranks. 100 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: I think a lot of you know what Andrew just 101 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: said to the part of us is working to go 102 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: in and it's gonna be hard to fight the confirmation bias. 103 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: Like we have people we like Casey concept you on, 104 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: that's one like you know, you guys know I'm a 105 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: huge fan of but I have to also acknowledge to 106 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: fight my own like hype here is that he doesn't 107 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: have any His was actually he was one of the 108 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: last people to sign and Boston, which we'll talk about 109 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: on this show, has been getting hyped. So the thing 110 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: is is when we see these hype, we see the reports. 111 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 2: What I want to double down with Andrew on is 112 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: that I need to hear it from more than one person. 113 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: And that's why I bring up the confirmation biases, because 114 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: if I go watch the Browns, It'd be like, oh, 115 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: there's my conception, young guy like looking great out there. 116 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: I'm one person and I might have a bias. And 117 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: I'm saying that about the beat reports that we use 118 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: their you know, their knowledge to help us. 119 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: But at the same time. 120 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: There might be inherent biases or biases or however you 121 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: say it the plural, but the point being is like 122 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: they might go in with it. They're looking for things. 123 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: So I want to see three four, five beat reporters 124 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: saying the same thing, like Oh there's an issue here 125 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: or oh this guy looks great. It's not just one 126 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: off highlight that we see, as Andrerew just said, catching 127 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: air like, we want to see multiple people. 128 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: Saying things and then we'll take action. 129 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's take some action on some names here. 130 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: Let's start with some guys in the top sixty right 131 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: now the half PPR rankings over fantasypros dot com. You 132 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: can check him out at Fantasypros dot com slash rankings. 133 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: See that's easy to remember. So let's talk about Jake, 134 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: a guy for you right now that is a high 135 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: profile name that's still continuing to rise upwards. 136 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: I think that rise up as he should be rising up. 137 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: And that's even coming from somebody that loves Makay Lemon. 138 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: There you go, is DeVante Smith. This is the one 139 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: that I'll get is because you go back to twenty 140 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: twenty two and he was a top ten wide receiver 141 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: and Also, the reason I bring that up is because 142 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: late that year people started making the argument, and they 143 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: started saying he might be better than AJ Brown going 144 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: forward starting in twenty twenty three. Obviously it didn't happen. 145 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: And obviously AJ Brown is AJ Brown. That's why he is, 146 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: and that's why it didn't happen. But I bring up 147 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: Devontae Smith to say, is my entire argument for Lemon 148 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: has always been that he takes Devonte Smith's share. Deavante 149 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: Smith's share is now AJ Brown's what was left over. 150 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: So if we're talking about that, the fact that one 151 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty six targets in twenty twenty two, which 152 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: is his career high for Smith, Otherwise it's been one 153 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: O four, one twelve, one thirteen, and then eighty nine 154 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: the year he got hurt. But if he gets back 155 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: to one hundred and thirty plus targets just on his 156 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: same production, even if nothing else changes, he should be 157 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: in the wide receiver one discussion. Again, that's coming from 158 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: somebody who has promoted and talked about mkayle Lemon. I'm 159 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: not discounting that Davonte Smith also deserves to rise up 160 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: the boards because right now he's not even close to 161 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: a wide receiver one. So I think that when we 162 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: start to see like all the implemented changes that Many 163 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: has made in the offense and hurts as actually looking good. 164 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 2: If we get those reports and things are looking good 165 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: in this offense, people are gonna be like, oh, we 166 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: should have given more respect to Devontae Smith being the 167 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: number one in the offense. I think that's going to 168 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: happen because you can't sit here and say, McKayle Lemon's 169 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: not going to be DeVante Smith, Dallas Godter is going 170 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: to struggle to repeat his touch not not not not well. 171 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: Then who's putting up nobody like Davante Smith is the 172 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: one that's gonna benefit if even if everybody else struggles. 173 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Ericson in the box next to me, gritting like 174 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: Timothy Shalomey after a next championship, could not love Yeah, yeah, 175 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: so alright, Ericson, I know you've been on the Smith 176 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: wagon here for quite some time, and I agree I 177 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: like Smith. To have him be the alpha dog is 178 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: something I just want to see with my own eyes 179 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: because as somebody who's managed him in the past in 180 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: other leagues, what I found with Davonta Smith is you 181 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: have these moments, but they're fleeting, and perhaps that was 182 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: also just because of the way their offensive structure. Because 183 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: JJ Brown's presence, Perhaps that will change, perhaps it won't, 184 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: but I know you believe it's going to very much 185 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: in a big way for Davante this. 186 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: Year because every time that Davanta Smith was put into 187 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 4: a alpha role in the Eagles passing game throughout his 188 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 4: entire career, and Jake talked about how good he was 189 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 4: as a rookie when he was thrown into the fire, 190 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 4: like you gotta be the number one wide receiver, he 191 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 4: was the one bad AJ Brown's one A at any time, 192 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: either Dallas Goddard miss time, AJ Brown miss time, Kea 193 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: Wanta Smith was putting up fantasy wide receiver one numbers. 194 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 4: So I think it's really simple and I think he 195 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 4: should be riser. 196 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: All right, Aaron Drew Erickson, I know you mentioned Alex 197 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: Peerce earlier and kind of alluded to a conversation. So 198 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: with the Alec Pierce injury, what kind of impact is 199 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: that going to have on Tyler Warren in twenty twenty 200 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: six because it seems like he is a the most 201 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: capable guy that they had to throw balls to you 202 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: and b he seems like the healthiest guy they've got 203 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: now as well. 204 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he basically was neck and neck with 205 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: Michael Pittman Junior leading the Colts and targets last year. 206 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 4: We know that Pittman Junior is no longer part of 207 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: the Colts, traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Al pearce knew 208 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: injury news four to six month recovery timeline. He went 209 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 4: underwent surgery on his left ankle in late March. So 210 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 4: he signed this big deal with the Colts early in 211 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 4: free agency, gets the bag, Dane Jones gets his guy. 212 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 4: They feel really great about it, and then he goes under. 213 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 4: He goes with his surgery, so that concerns me that 214 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 4: he's going to miss time into training camp. And I 215 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 4: mean Warren right now, if you just look at ECR ADP, 216 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 4: he's being drafted as the colts number one pass catcher. 217 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: Tyler Warren is a second year tight end. Had a 218 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 4: really good rookie year. Obviously, it was front weighted when 219 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones was healthy. Twelve point three points per game 220 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 4: in PPR with Daniel Jones to start the year. Obviously, 221 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 4: the Colts offense fell off at Cliff when he got 222 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 4: hurt and they had Philip Rivers playing. It was an 223 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: entire mess. But Tyler Warren's really talented guy. It's not 224 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 4: him moving up necessarily as a tight end. I don't 225 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 4: know if he's going to enter in the top three conversation, 226 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 4: but in terms of his overall rank, if you just 227 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 4: look at ECR versus ADP some of these best ball drafts, 228 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 4: ADP is almost a round higher on Tyler Warren than 229 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 4: the ECR is. So I think that the Tyler Warren's 230 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 4: going to continue to go up and up and up 231 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 4: as we just wait for Ale Pierce to come back. 232 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: When is that going to be? 233 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 4: But Tyler Warren, I think is locked and loaded, as 234 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 4: he's kind of probably the favorite to leave this team. 235 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: In targets Jake, it was very good for Tyler Warren 236 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: when Daniel Jones was healthy. Fast Boy game, We're very 237 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: high and he's usually the fourth or fifth tight end 238 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: off the board. It seems like that's kind of that range, 239 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: which is nice because you have that ability to wait 240 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: for the brock Bauers or the Trey McBride to go 241 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: off first, and then you know you're kind of on 242 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: tight end alert in any draft, and I think if 243 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: you end up with Warren, you're certainly getting a guy 244 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: who could absolutely be the leader in targets in that offense. 245 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: And that's the big part that I was about to say, 246 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: So I think it was with you and I was 247 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: recently talked about the fact that Zach Jackson covers the 248 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: Browns for the athletic So I'm out that Fannin is 249 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: going to lead the team in targets, and I was like, well, 250 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: isn't there a real chance to Tyler Warren does the 251 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: same thing for the Colts, And if you're taking Colts 252 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: quarterback throwing to tight end versus Brown's quarterback throwing to 253 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: tight end, and let's be honest, like not even that, 254 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: Like we'd all lean Colts if Daniel Jones is healthy, 255 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: And I know that's a big question, but let's also 256 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: look at the weapons around both of them, and there's 257 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: an actual lot more threat in Cleveland than there is 258 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: in Indianapolis. So I'm with this in the fact that 259 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: if you're going to consider Fanning as the fifth which 260 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: I would, I think that there's a real conversation that 261 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: why take Fanning around earlier, if he can get Warren 262 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: around later or if nothing else, they should be pretty equitable. 263 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: So I think that Warren is going to start rising. 264 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: And basically, as Andrews said, the biggest news being now 265 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: that we're finding out it's going to be four to 266 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: six weeks or peers here's on top of it. 267 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the whole like we hope that, we 268 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: wish that perhaps that maybe he'll be ready by the 269 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: end of training camp. That does not make me feel 270 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: warm and fuzzy, and I do not like that news 271 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: at all. I do not like that. 272 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 4: I think too as well when it comes to Warren 273 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 4: and where you could potentially see Daniel Jones, it's coming 274 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 4: off a torny chillies. Do you think Dani Jones is 275 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 4: going to be taking these five set drop backs and 276 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: launching the ball down the fielder is going to try 277 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 4: to get the ball out quick? 278 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: That was picking apparent. 279 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that fits Tyler Warren's game to a t, 280 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 4: like he can get I. 281 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: Think we feel better about Daniel Jones ready for week 282 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 2: one than Pierce at this point. 283 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: Oh I do. I'll I'll go to the bank right 284 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: now with that one. Andrew, you were mister Tukerkraft last year. 285 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: Those guys are going real close to each other. Do 286 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: you want Craft for. 287 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 4: Warren if the price is the same, rather have Cali Warren? 288 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: Okay? Because I don't know if the quarterback situation there 289 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: matters for you too, if you like love more than 290 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: you like Daniel Jones and how that enters into your 291 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: psyche there on that one. So all right, So two 292 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: big boys there who are starting to rise up with 293 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: good reason. Some players also rise up due to roles 294 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: getting clearer. So whether that mean target share opening up 295 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: for them, or whether it means guys potentially who are 296 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: starting to win the battle of a backfield. So Jake, 297 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to somebody trying to win the battle 298 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: of a backfield, clearly, already we're hearing the he looks explosive, 299 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: he looks like he could be the number one guy. 300 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: We're already hearing all that buzz about Bayshell Tutan, and 301 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm starting to embrace the Bayshell Tutan. But are you 302 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: starting to embrace him too with the heype that's going 303 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: on here in the early practice sessions of the NFL. 304 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: So as somebody that I think a lot of people 305 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: assumed hated base Shall Tutant last year. It wasn't that 306 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: I hated base Shall Tutant, and it's just I hated 307 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: the time share, and I think that we're still facing 308 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 2: a time share. The biggest issue here is at the 309 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: signing Chris Rodriguez and they still want to use him 310 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 2: at the goal line, is that Tutan had goal line 311 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: work last year with et Chen and I think that 312 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: that carries over to this year that even if Rodriguez 313 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: is taking some of those, it's still going to be 314 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: a share. It's not going to be the lead if 315 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: everything goes as we expect. And when it comes down 316 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: to it, Tuton's comparison from me was actually DeAndre Swift type, 317 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: and I think that in the time share as the lead, 318 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: if you've seen DeAndre Swift, you know, whether with the 319 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 2: Bears or whoever he's been with even before that, you 320 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 2: look at the fact that no, he's not really somebody 321 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: who succeeds with two fifty three hundred touches, and that's okay, 322 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 2: not every running back can, but as somebody that still 323 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: could be a great RB two with those kind of touches, 324 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: and even if he sees some of those goal line 325 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 2: touches and short area touches. 326 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: That's totally okay. 327 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: Especially in the offense as we've seen from Liam Cohen, 328 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: as we just saw when he left the Buccaneers before 329 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: last year, is loves thrown him to the running back. 330 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: And if you're going to throw to a running back 331 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: between Chris Rodriguez and Baschhall, Tuton, pretty sure Tuton's the 332 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: one that's going to be catching those balls and those opportunities. 333 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 2: So it's the real appeal here is that he should 334 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: be locked into this kind of back end and that's 335 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: fine for everybody that wants to promote him more. And 336 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 2: as we see with some of the you know we 337 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: were talking about, the top of the show is the 338 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: risers that get all the helium, and I have a 339 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: feeling that Tuton is not only going to rise, but 340 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: he might surpass what is actually a good price point. 341 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 2: Because everybody wants. 342 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: Tooton to happen. 343 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: Everything cited for Twoton to happen, So right now, he 344 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: should rise. My only concern at the end of this 345 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: would be, don't let him keep rising so far that 346 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: he gets to RB sixteen. 347 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 3: And now you just where's the fun in that? 348 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: Well, Erickson. If Tuton reaches DeAndre Swift levels of productivity. 349 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: Swift was a top twenty running back last two seasons. Right, 350 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: that is a booton for his value as the twenty 351 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: fourth or twenty fifth running back depending on who you 352 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: talk to, you look at the expert consensus rankings, that's 353 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: where he goes. I think Touton is a good investment 354 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: at that price somewhere like if you're taking him as 355 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, your third running back, your flex running back. Basically, 356 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good situation because if it hits, it's 357 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: a league winner. Right. If he has a Travis Hn 358 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: season and Chris Rodrigue phase into the background, that is 359 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: a league winning pick. I also don't think it kills 360 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: you if it ends up being a weird time share 361 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: and he is your third running back when he's your 362 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: definitive second guy, I think that's a little bit more risk, 363 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: and it's a risk where I'd rather have David Montgomery, 364 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: who's a little bit more boring, but I know what 365 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm getting out of him. Does that make sense for you, Andrew? Yeah? 366 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 4: No, I think that you kind of laid out the 367 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 4: case for Twoton that he goes in a range in 368 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 4: drafts where he's around players that you feel a little 369 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 4: bit more secure about what their role is going to be. 370 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 4: But with two and it's this untapped upside case like 371 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: Deandra Swift has never been a top ten fantasy running 372 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 4: back like you look at I was looking at his 373 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: season logs. It's Fantasy RB two all the way across 374 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 4: the board, and I think that that's fine, and he 375 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 4: goes where in that range. So you know what you're 376 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 4: getting out of DeAndre Swift. But to your point, I mean, 377 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: Beshelle Tuton actually made this point last year. I remember 378 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 4: posting on X but I made the case of who 379 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: has more upside this year, DeAndre Swift or Travis etn R. 380 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 4: At the time, it was Travis etn And I was 381 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 4: on the etn or eight chan side of things because 382 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 4: I felt like, yeah, Swift is definitely safer. You know, 383 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 4: the spaar's office should be much better. But Etn eight Chan, 384 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 4: he's already shown that he could be a top ten 385 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: fantasy running back before. So I don't think that Swift 386 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 4: is going to be a top ten running back just 387 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 4: because that's never really been hit, like he's bounced around 388 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: from team's team, he's been efficient, He's been good as 389 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 4: a receiver out of the backfield, but I don't know 390 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 4: if he's going for going to be a top ten 391 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: running back. Whereas Tutan second year in the league, we 392 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 4: already saw a running back come out of this offense 393 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 4: last year that was a top ten running back in fantasy. 394 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that it really does come down 395 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 4: to roster construction. 396 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: What do you need more? 397 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 4: And getting Toot into that flex position versus RB two, 398 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 4: I think is really really key. 399 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: I will say this too in dynasty leagues. You know 400 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: the draft capital of what Tutan was. I was a 401 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: third round pick. I believe if he doesn't hit and 402 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't work out this year, I could see them 403 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: just quickly flipping over to somebody else. So this is 404 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: kind of a big moment for Tutin where I feel 405 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: like he has to prove himself this year. I want 406 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: to stay in Duval County for your next pick here 407 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk about Brian Thomas junior. Somebody that 408 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: the two gentlemen that I'm sitting with were the two 409 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: highest rankers is rookie year sophomore year. I don't remember 410 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: where you guys Hadham ranked but all I know is 411 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: that things came crashing down. So I hear a lot 412 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: of Parker Washington buzz at a camp when it comes 413 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: to the Jaguars, a lot of load we like the 414 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: acquisition of Jakoby Myers. Andrew. Talk to me about Brian 415 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: Thomas Junior. Where does this leave him for twenty twenty six? 416 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 4: You could put I could have put any of these 417 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 4: Jaguars wide receivers here when it came to role clarity Risers, 418 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 4: because I think that's what we're all trying to figure out. 419 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: Jake. 420 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 4: I bet one of the toughest projections that you had 421 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 4: to do was trying to figure out, okay, how the 422 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 4: Jaguars going to divy up all their wide receiver targets. 423 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 4: And you can see it in the ADP, you can 424 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 4: see it in the ECR. These guys are all clustered 425 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 4: together because we're all kind of throwing our hands up. 426 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: Even though we know that this offense could be really 427 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 4: fun for fantasy purposes, we are still trying to figure out. 428 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 4: So any information we get, we are gravitating towards moths 429 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 4: to a flame right where it's like, oh my god, 430 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 4: Brian Tims Junior is looking good. Okay, we got to 431 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 4: move him up the rank. Oh, Jacoby Myers is the best, 432 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 4: has the best chemistry with Treylor Lawrence. We got to 433 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 4: move him up. Parker Washington, it's going to be in 434 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 4: the slot full time. We got to move him up 435 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 4: the ranking. So we're trying to figure out exactly how 436 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 4: to rank these particular players. I think it's interesting. I 437 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 4: was looking back at some past adp The first Jaguars 438 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 4: receiver off the board the last two years has been 439 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 4: the worst pick that you could have made in the 440 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 4: Jaguars receiver room. So it just goes to show that 441 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 4: what we think this offense might look like with Trevor Lawrence, 442 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 4: it may it's probably not going to be what it 443 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 4: ends up being when we're drafting these specific teams. So 444 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 4: I think that it's important to try to pay attention 445 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 4: to the news. Brian Thomas has obviously been the one 446 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 4: that's been highlighting. I know that John Shipley talked about 447 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 4: it in his report from Sports Illustrated that John Shipley 448 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: was the offseason MVP so far. That guy last year 449 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 4: was Parker Washington. But Parker Washington didn't do anything until 450 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 4: Travis Hunter got her and that's the other fourth factor here. 451 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 4: It's but what if Travis Hunter still has a role 452 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 4: on offense? What if he is getting more layup targets. 453 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 4: Is Brian Thomas just a deep threat? Deep threats look 454 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 4: really good on air during OTAs when you're in pless practice. 455 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 4: What was Brian Thomas Junior's problem last year? He was 456 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 4: banged up, he wasn't playing through contact. They're not playing 457 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 4: through contact right now, so it's a lot easier for 458 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 4: him to make highlight real plays down the field when 459 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 4: there's not a lot of contact between him and the 460 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 4: defensive backs. That was his issue last year. So I 461 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 4: just think that this is a very how do we 462 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 4: describe it, fluid situation, the Jackper's wide receiver room that 463 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 4: I think you need to be open to the adjustment 464 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 4: and prices. I don't want the guy that's the most expensive, 465 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 4: you know, I'll take a shot on Washington out. I 466 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 4: don't want to try to say that I know exactly 467 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: how this is going to play out, because I don't 468 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 4: think anybody does. So be open to the possibility if 469 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: one of the guy falls, you're in a room where 470 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 4: everyone hates Brian Thomas Junior. Okay, this is my Brian 471 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 4: Thomas junior draft. 472 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: You're in a room where. 473 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: Everyone's like Jacoby Myers, No, Jacoby Rice. I think he's 474 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 4: really underrated. I think he's actually the guy I feel 475 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 4: the most confident of at least returning where his draft 476 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: in ADP is because Jacoby Myers every year is one 477 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 4: of the most underrated wide receivers in the NFL. So 478 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 4: it's just like, it doesn't surprise me that he doesn't 479 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 4: get any love between Washington, either a Washing guy or 480 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 4: a Thomas guy. But I'm like, I know Myers is 481 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 4: probably gonna be like a decent pick where he goes. 482 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 4: So that's kind of where I settle. So, Yeah, a 483 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 4: lot to unpack with the Jaguars receiver room. So it'll 484 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 4: be interesting to see how things kind of shake out 485 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 4: as we progress through the offseason. 486 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a tough year for Brian Thomas, going 487 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: from wide receiver four to wide receiver forty Four's that's 488 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: not a good drop off. That's not where you want 489 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: to be, all right. 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We're 505 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: gonna talk about some guys with the camp Buzz. Love 506 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: the camp Bus because we employ a lot of beat 507 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: writers around this nation of ours, and they've got to 508 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: write about something, and typically it's always about how great 509 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: everything is, and that makes life a little difficult. So 510 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: we got to pass through all of the noise and 511 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: find out what really matters. So, Jake, when you start 512 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: to go through the deep forest of beat writer, glowing 513 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: reviews about everybody in shorts playing football. What have you 514 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: been able to come away with in terms of somebody 515 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: with the camp buzz that you actually believe in. 516 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: It's going to be the fact that we're going to 517 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: continue to get camp buzz about Carnel Tate. And for 518 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: good reason is there's a reason that everybody had Tate, 519 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: Tyson and Lemon as that tier one of wide receivers 520 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: in this draft. And there's arguments whether Tyson or Tate 521 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 2: where the real real best wide receiver this draft, and 522 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,239 Speaker 2: who cares between the two because they're on different teams now, 523 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: It just mattered like they're landing spots. But the landing 524 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: spot is in the opportunity to be the number one 525 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: for the Titans and the opportunity to have this offense. 526 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: You know, Brian Dable loves to throw the deep ball 527 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: with this quarterback. 528 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 3: When he can. 529 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: The bad news here is the camp for Cam Warrett 530 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: actually so far hasn't been great, as some of these 531 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: throws aren't connecting and the accuracy isn't there yet. But 532 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: the biggest thing about Tate himself is the comparison. I 533 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: think Daniel Jeremiah was the one that compared him to 534 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: CD Lamb because he ran a four, five, three or 535 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 2: whatever it was, So did ceed Lamb. He ran a 536 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: four or five, And if we're comparing him to CD Lamb, 537 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty good comparison that we don't 538 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: really worry about whether four four or four three like 539 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: he'll he'll be just fine this So the real opportunity 540 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 2: buzz is going to be is he gonna get over drafted? 541 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: Because this is where I will say the one cautionary 542 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: tale is similar to what we just talked about the Jaguars. 543 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: We get all this buzz about Tate. Let's also remember 544 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: that Davill essentially brought one doll Robinson with him and 545 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: then who's getting also a buzz right now, which is 546 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: kind of weird. Calvin Ridley looks healthy, looks great, best 547 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: shape of his life. 548 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: Is that? No, Nope, not saying draft everybody out there, 549 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: everybody listening, watching on YouTube, Nope, don't do this. 550 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: Completely agree, Okay, completely agree, all right, But as you said, table, 551 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: he also brought a tight end from of the Giants 552 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: and they have gunner Helm and I'm just I'm all 553 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: saying it's just like this might be if you'd expect 554 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: the breakout for this offense. The answer also still might 555 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: be by the cake, not the icing, and cam Ward 556 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 2: if you think kim Work can do it. Because Tate 557 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: might rise so far where he gets to the top 558 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: twenty because he's having such a good offseason because he 559 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: is Carnel Tate. But what if top twenty and then 560 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: all of a sudden we look up and at the 561 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: end of the year he's one go one hundred and 562 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: ten targets, still a great rookie season, just got overdrafted 563 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: because of the excitement for Tate. So I love Tate 564 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: as much as the next guy, and I think he 565 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: should be higher than he is right now. But another 566 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: I don't want this to be the theme of the 567 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: entire show, but a cautionary tale is there's going to 568 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 2: be a point where he reaches too high. 569 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: If the buzz continues this offseason. 570 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: See I like the coach buzz because the coach buzz 571 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: that I read yesterday was about Gunner Hill and Robert's 572 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: solid talking about well, Gunner Hunk can really be something 573 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: in this offense. We're very impressed. I want to care 574 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: more about what the coaches say sometimes and what the 575 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: beat reporters are reporting out in terms of what they 576 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: see or work to them about who lights. I want 577 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: it straight from the coach's mouth. Yeah, was a coach 578 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: come out? He looks so good. No, they just won't 579 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: say anything about him. But when somebody stands out, I 580 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: think it matters. And the coach is the one at 581 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: the end of the day who gets to make the 582 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: decision who's playing and who's getting the football. Whereas the 583 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: beat reporters are just getting well so and so said that, 584 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,239 Speaker 1: you know, they're really no. No, I want to hear 585 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: the coach say it. I want to hear that person 586 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: say it who can actually make the decisions in the process. 587 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: And it's funny because Andrew in this, you know, triumvirent 588 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: of Rookie Wide Receivers, of Lemon, of Tate Tyson. I 589 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: think you can make a case for any of the 590 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: three one, two three, you know, who's the best one 591 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: in terms of what kind of season they're gonna have, 592 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: Which is why it's going to be so fascinating to 593 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: see it unravel before our eyes in twenty twenty six. 594 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm still think the dark horse candidate is Mackay Lemon 595 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: to be the most productive this year based on circumstance 596 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: and quarterback play. Do you agree? Do you think Tate 597 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: is that guy? Do you think Tyson's that guy? I'm 598 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: just curious about that trio for you in twenty twenty six. 599 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 4: For twenty twenty six, I have it Tate, Tyson, Lemon. 600 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 4: But I think that you should draft all three of 601 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 4: those receivers. I think they're all under priced based on 602 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 4: where the market has them set up. We want to 603 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 4: draft rookie wide receivers, and I know I feel like 604 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 4: sometimes we are ranking them too aggressively. Again, where like 605 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison went his rookie year at that one two turn. 606 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 4: I mean, Carl Tay has the same draft capital sen 607 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 4: jaz marviin Harrison junior and he goes nowhere near the 608 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 4: one two turn. Again, not trying to compare them as prospects. 609 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like you just zoom Out'll be like 610 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 4: draft a receiver that was taken in the top five. 611 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 4: If that's all you know, and you can get him 612 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 4: in the middle rounds, that's usually a good bet. To 613 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 4: make Jordan Tyson a top ten pick. Yes, give me 614 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 4: that guy. Let me draft that player when he's going 615 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 4: outside around the wide receiver thirty range, wide receiver three range. 616 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 4: So I think that all three are really great picks, 617 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 4: especially because you don't necessarily need to have them locked 618 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 4: in load as your wide receiver two. It's more like 619 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 4: a wide receiver three flex consideration. Again, chasing this upside 620 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 4: in these middle rounds, I think that's how you win 621 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 4: your league most of the time. 622 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: So in the last three days, Andrew, I have seen 623 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: many different angles about the Carolina Panthers running back situation. 624 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: I've seen Panthers receiving strong Chuba Hubbard endorsement, a mid debate, 625 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: Panthers discussing a split backfield of the load. I've also 626 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: seen Jonathan Brooks being the guy that could actually win 627 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: the job outright as the starter. So, Andrew, how do 628 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: you kind of disseminate through all the buzz with the 629 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: Panthers in terms of that backfield. Is Jonathan Brooks a 630 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: guy worth really moving up the draft board? I think 631 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: he is. 632 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 4: However, as we talked about earlier in the show, as 633 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 4: guys continue to rise, how high's too high? Really trying 634 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 4: to protect myself from the confirmation bias of Jonathan Brooks 635 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: because I really liked him a couple months ago before 636 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 4: we got more of this insider information about Jonathan Brook's 637 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 4: gonna take over. I mean, Dave Canalis has been talking 638 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 4: about Jonathan Brooks in February, in March about Yeah, he's 639 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 4: gonna have a chance to compete for the starting job. Yeah, 640 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 4: that's what I want. I want a draft running backs 641 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 4: that have that potential opportunity that are young, twenty three 642 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 4: years old. Yes, I know that he's dealt with injuries, 643 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 4: but Chewba Hubbard was not effective last year. TRUEHRD lost 644 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 4: his job last to Rico Dowdell, who up to that 645 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 4: point had been a journeyman running back who had done 646 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 4: nothing in the NFL except for half of a season 647 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 4: with the Dallas Cowboys when they were down to their 648 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 4: backup quarterback. He joins in they give him no money, 649 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 4: and he steals the job away from Chewba Hubbard. That's 650 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 4: not a ring endorsement for Hubbard. I know that they 651 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 4: paid him, but a lot of that he's already gotten. 652 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 4: He's already gotten a lot of his money from the 653 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 4: contract that he originally signed. Zero explosive rushes last year. 654 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 4: So Jonathan Brooks has a chance to be more explosive 655 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 4: than Chewba Hubbard was last year. And I think that 656 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 4: Chuba Hubbard's not a great pass catcher. That's Jonathan Brooks's 657 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 4: calling card. I think that he can be really effective 658 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 4: in the passing game. Even in his very limited stint 659 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 4: in the NFL in twenty twenty four, three targets in 660 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 4: a game, three catches. Again we have Now we don't 661 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 4: have a complete sample size of Brooks in any way 662 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 4: or capacity, but I think we were looking at late 663 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 4: round running back upside. Jonathan Brooks just checks off all 664 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 4: those boxes. So sure, as long as you don't have to. 665 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 4: Like the issue is if you're drafting me, Okay, he's 666 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 4: got to be my ARB two, right, Like that's where 667 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 4: it's like, well, okay, like like this isn't gonna work, 668 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: like because he's gonna probably get you a lot of 669 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 4: zeros to start the year. But it would not surprise 670 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 4: me if for a month into the year, six weeks 671 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 4: in the season and it's like, yeah, Jonathan Brooks has 672 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 4: taken over his backfield. 673 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: That would not shock me whatsoever. 674 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 4: And I want to get exposure to that. So trying 675 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 4: to be mindful of the increasing price, but I think 676 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 4: that it's the mark catching up on a really really 677 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,479 Speaker 4: good pick to make in fantasy drafts. 678 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: Well, look at the forty sixth running back off the 679 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: board or wherever he is right now. Basically, that's that's 680 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: not much of a stretch for him to be productive. 681 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 4: Right. 682 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work out, you cut him, you move on. 683 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: Andrew obviously is very high on Jonathan Brooks. So is 684 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: Derek Brown. I would say he is probably the og 685 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: Ananobi on Good Morning America high on Jonathan Brooks. That's 686 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: how high he is right now. Where do you stand 687 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: on Jonathan Brooks? 688 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: Jake Sealey, Yeah, I think that Andrew looked at my 689 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: sheet and was like, hey, we got to talk about 690 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: Jaguars and Panthers. I gotta double up after putting these 691 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: names in. But I think the big thing with the 692 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: Panthers is not just the agreement with Jonathan Brooks, but 693 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: the fact that we're going to talk about the other one. 694 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: But the fact that Brooks is the talent that we 695 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: like more than what was there now and that's Cuba Hubbard, 696 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: and Cuba Hubbard already lost touches in his job yet 697 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: last year to Rico Dabdell and I think the opportunity 698 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: this year for Brooks is just to take over and 699 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: be the better option. And the biggest thing that Andrews 700 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: said at the end of that is by the end 701 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 2: of the month, like the end of September, by October. 702 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: So it might take a little time over his time share, 703 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: but he's not at a price point where we're going 704 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: to be concerned about the time shared to start the season. 705 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of the Panthers, let's move on to another Panther. 706 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 1: When we talk about some late round risers, these are 707 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: the guys that are going outside the top one hundred 708 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: overall that we feel pretty good about. And there's one 709 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: Panther that just actually got an extension and Jake. For me. 710 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: As much as you hear camp buzz, I like the 711 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: buzz of money. I like to hear and see who's 712 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: getting paid, because typically you're paying guys that you expect 713 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: to be big parts of your team's plan of success. 714 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: So I always say follow the money when it comes 715 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: to fantasy. It's one of my favorite expressions because annually 716 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: it rings true in terms of what the NFL team 717 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: spend on and what that returnal investment usually becomes. That's 718 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: where the target investment is, folks, that's where it is. 719 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: So Jalen Cocher got some money. Jalen Coker had a 720 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: nice finish to the season. It feels like the Panthers 721 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: have plans for him, and looks like you have some 722 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: plans for him as well. 723 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 724 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: I mean the topic for this category was players to 725 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 2: target late round risers to target now. And that's why 726 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: I say this, like again, this is gonna be the 727 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: theme of a lot of my players obviously, but target 728 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: him now because the fantasy world, whatever you want to be, 729 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: the draft pun is, whoever it is, they are seating 730 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: at the. 731 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: Mouth for this to happen. 732 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: Like you think, toot An, excitement is through the roof. 733 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: Let Coker start having some buzz this all season even 734 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: more so what you just said. It's not just the campus. 735 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 2: They don't give him contract with somebody essentially, Let's be realistic. Yeah, 736 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: he finished the season nice, but it's done nothing from 737 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: the NFL for us to be like, oh, he deserves 738 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 2: a contract. Oh this is the smart move for the 739 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: Panthers getting ahead of like they gave him money with 740 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: very little bit sample to his NFL career and the 741 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: excitement here if you look at Cocher for the style 742 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: alongside McMillan is kind of Cocker is more of that 743 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: big slot really knows how to manipulate space and get open. 744 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 2: Is a perfect confliment of what Tedyerron McMillan can do. 745 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: And I think those one and two is for Bryce 746 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: Young if you're hoping this is the issue, You're hoping 747 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: that Bryce Young can take a step forward to show 748 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: some consistency across the entire season and not this up 749 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: and down halves of the season games where he plays 750 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,959 Speaker 2: great in one half and terrible in the other. Like 751 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: some type of consistency where Bryce Young could just be 752 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: a mid level passer in the NFL, Like he doesn't 753 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: even need to be number one pick talent, just mid level. 754 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: And Coker can put up a top forty, if not 755 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 2: better season. And right now, it's like the excitement kind 756 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 2: of waned. I don't know how it happened, because, like 757 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: I said, people are waiting. You see people tweeting out 758 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: every single day, Cokie Unit blah blah blah, like they 759 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: want this to happen. And I'm with you, Joe, Like 760 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: the biggest thing was like, all right, this is going 761 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: to be interesting if he can break through. But when 762 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 2: they gave him that money, that puts a lot of 763 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: signs in the fact that they have faith that he's 764 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: about to take that step forward. 765 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: I think it's clear, and I think the unfortunate situation 766 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: is that, well, he doesn't have a big sample size 767 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: to go on. But Andrew, I also think that's the 768 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: plus here is that there's still some people because it's 769 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: not a big enough sample size, that they won't buy 770 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: in as hardily as they should and aggressively as they should, 771 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: which means for the koke heads like me, I'll be 772 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: able to go ahead and get some shares of Jalen 773 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: Cocher in twenty twenty six at a pretty good price. 774 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Panthers know what Jillen Coker can be when 775 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 4: he's healthy and on the field right saw it in 776 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 4: the last game the Panthers played against the Rams when 777 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 4: he was absolutely feasting on that defense. 778 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 2: Operates out of the slot. 779 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 4: I think that the Panthers have a really good three 780 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 4: wide receiver set, and I think this is also a 781 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 4: signal to Bryce Young that look, man, you've got receivers. 782 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 4: Now we got up the passing attempts here because they 783 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 4: got to figure out what they want to do with 784 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 4: Bryce Young, so get him weapons that he feels good about. 785 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 4: You have a young receiver cord bringing Chris Brassele, I 786 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 4: think is another great third element to as a field stretcher, 787 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 4: really opening things underneath for both Cocher and Team Mac. 788 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think Coker is kind of like the 789 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 4: quintessential Yeah, maybe this is again the situation is not 790 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 4: even bad, Like he could be the number two target 791 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 4: on his offense. They don't really have a tight end 792 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 4: of consequence, so I know that tight end is all 793 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 4: the rage now, well like Jatavian Sanders, ain't it, Tommy 794 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 4: Trumble Like sorry, Like I'm not going to buy into 795 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 4: those guys being like significant targets in this passing game 796 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 4: when it's so clear to me that it's gonna be 797 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 4: Te Mac and Jenlen Cocher that are going to be 798 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 4: dominating the majority of pass attempts from Bryce Young and 799 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 4: Coker has that talent, so where he's going late in drafts, 800 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 4: I think that this is a perfect pick. 801 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 3: So good job, Jake. 802 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: To Jake's point too about some of these values that 803 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: make change quickly, like a great guy to draft now, 804 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: at the running back position. Somebody you're targeting right now, 805 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: andrew that you think, Hey, you know, over the summer, 806 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: this price could change. So if you're doing best ball drafts, 807 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: if you're doing early drafts, you have some investments in 808 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: Rashad White. Let's talk about that and the reasons why. 809 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 4: I just think he's one of the most mispriced players 810 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 4: on the board. In my opinion, I think that he 811 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 4: is a seasoned veteran, proven Fantasy RB one track record 812 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 4: and skill set. What does he do better than a 813 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 4: lot of other wunning backs? His catch passed out of 814 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 4: the backfield, and we love that for fantasy football because 815 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 4: we play in leagues that give us points for catches 816 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 4: out of the backfield, which is why we like Rashad White. 817 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 4: He's in a backfield with two guys that were taken 818 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 4: in the seventh round last year, with Jacory Krossky Merritt 819 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 4: and Kitron Allen, like really late day three picks that 820 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 4: I think the commanders just try to figure out what 821 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 4: they have in these particular players, where with Pshan White, 822 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 4: you know what this guy can offer and brings to 823 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 4: the table. Is he the most dynamic running back of 824 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 4: all time? Like no but when he's going as RB forty, 825 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 4: when he's basically finished higher that every single year of 826 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 4: his NFL career, despite losing time and touches to other 827 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 4: running backs throughout his career, I just think that he 828 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 4: is just so miss priced based on the fact that 829 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 4: no matter what happens, I think he's going to have 830 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 4: a role in the passing game for the Washington Commanders 831 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 4: that is devoid of established talent behind Terry McLaurin. 832 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: And we like a couple pieces. 833 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 4: I like Chinkonkoit, like Antonio Williams, but those guys aren't 834 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 4: super proven in central roles. Racheaud White can pass, pro catch, 835 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 4: passed out of the backfield, played college for Jane Daniels. 836 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 4: Good enough for me? 837 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: Is RB forty Yeah? I mean, certainly not a special 838 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: running back, but I think a capable one in a 839 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: backfield where there's a lot of question marks. Jake and 840 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: I think that is a really good point to make 841 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to Rashaun White's value this. 842 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 2: Year, which is why I like this pick and would 843 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: still take Crossky Merrit because I have him both in 844 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: the same range as the low thirties. Because even if 845 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 2: White becomes an afterthought and more of fact, like he's 846 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: not going to completely get pushed aside, and that's where 847 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 2: Andrew's really hitting this one. And where I agree is 848 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,959 Speaker 2: that if Krossky Merrit ends up being the clear lead, 849 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 2: it's still probably only going to be like a fifty 850 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: to fifty five percent. This isn't going to be seventy 851 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: percent like Ashton genty and White is going to hold 852 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 2: on to that pass catching role. So the upside of 853 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 2: White where he's being drafted now is that it's not 854 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 2: just a pass catching role, it ends up being a 855 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 2: fifty to fifty split or better. The upside for Krosskey 856 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 2: Mary is that he's still right now priced as a 857 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: timeshare piece that might get fifty five percent of the workload. 858 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 2: So I'm good with taking either of them because they're 859 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 2: not supposed to be your RB twos, but in a 860 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 2: worst case break glass in scenario and you went wide 861 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 2: receiver heavy, they could be. 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They only had three goals. 906 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 2: They scored more already than they did. 907 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: I see I was being flippant, and it turns out 908 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: I was actually being no. 909 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 2: They made it to the round of sixteen and scored 910 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 2: only three goals in twenty two. Hey, man, defense, it 911 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 2: was great. 912 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: That's well, you know what both they're playing. Let's see 913 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: how it goes. I'm excited for it, and I have 914 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: to I'm like, Italy is not in it again, which 915 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: is also super insulting, and I'm really pissed off about that. 916 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: So now I'm kind of like my feet's out to 917 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: the fire, was like kind of on the USA Bendwigen. 918 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: Now I'm just gonna watch and see what happens here. 919 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: Hope for the best. So yeah, let's go. All right, 920 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: let's talk about the guys with the biggest price jumps 921 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: potentially this year. Jake, We're gonna come back to you 922 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: here because all that Casey concept and stuff that I've 923 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: had to hear you talk about. And I did the 924 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: film room sessions with Debro before the NFL Draft where 925 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: we were arguing about the second tier wide receivers and 926 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 1: his love of conceptionon and my love of another guy 927 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: that got drafted by the Browns. And I gotta say 928 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not shocked by some of the early 929 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: buzz that he's getting out of camp because Denzel Boston 930 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: is that guy that's getting some love at least around 931 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: the Browns local buzz. So let's talk about that and 932 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: why you think that might mean he's starting to maybe 933 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: tick up a little bit for you and maybe everybody 934 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:30,959 Speaker 1: else too well. 935 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 2: And that big thing is I talked about Zach Jackson earlier. 936 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 2: He was one of them talking about that. Boston's looking 937 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 2: great so far. Again, the contract situation with Conception put 938 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 2: him a little bit behind the eight ball and he's 939 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 2: showed up a little bit late because of that. But 940 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 2: the bigger thing here is that Conception's path to really 941 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 2: succeeding as a rookie. I do still love him long term, 942 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,919 Speaker 2: but his path to succeeding would be the target leader 943 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 2: for this team. And that's the real appeal here is 944 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 2: that Judy's a non factor. But the problem with concepttionion 945 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 2: is that there's a lot of pieces in play here, 946 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 2: from Fannin to Judy to includ in Boston. So now 947 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 2: you look at it for a different angle and some 948 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 2: of the success rates or success success stories of rookie 949 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 2: wide receivers and it's a little bit more in the 950 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 2: touchdown department some of the big play department. Well, if 951 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 2: you're looking up and down this roster between Judy and 952 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,879 Speaker 2: everybody else, who could be Courtland Sutton for this team, 953 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 2: there's only one name. It's Denzel Boston. I mean maybe 954 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 2: Cedric Tillman before this was Cedric Tillman's time is done. 955 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 2: We tried that for years. We saw flashes at times, 956 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 2: but it's just really never clicked. He might even not 957 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 2: be on this team anymore because of Boston conception on 958 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 2: Judy and all the rest. Even Isaiah Bond's getting buzzed. 959 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 2: But what's the problem with Isaiah Bond also replicates a 960 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 2: little bit of what conception could bring as a rookie. 961 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 2: So if you're looking for the opportunity, who's surprises and 962 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 2: based off his talent, fills a role that nobody else 963 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 2: really does, it's Denzel Boston and that upside to you know, 964 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 2: maybe it's only nine hundred yards, but the biggest question 965 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 2: here is who could move into the top forty. That's 966 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 2: all we're asking from these super late picks. But move 967 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 2: into the top forty at this position nine hundred and 968 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 2: sixty seven touchdowns and I know that's a lot to 969 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 2: ask if Sanders or Watson, but that would put him 970 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 2: in the wide receiver. Three conversation for somebody who is 971 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 2: just kind of buried right now because everybody's so uncertain 972 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 2: who the options are going to be for the Browns. 973 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: Ericson do you have any thoughts on Denzel Boston. I 974 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: don't know if you and I have a really kind 975 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: of cross paths on him and all the pre draft 976 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: cover stuff. 977 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 4: No, I thought that he was a really good prospect. 978 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 4: I thought that he was a fringe first round pick. 979 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 4: I think that the fit with him in Cleveland makes 980 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 4: a lot of sense alongside Concept you on my concern 981 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 4: for him in year one is just is he going 982 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 4: to get any type of layup targets where Concept You 983 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 4: and I think is going to get a lot more 984 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 4: design stuff, a lot more stuff over the middle of 985 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 4: the field where I'm concerned and afraid that Denzel Boston 986 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 4: is just go play X and win on the boundary. 987 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 4: Where that gets me concerned when it's Shitary Sanders and 988 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson that are. 989 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 2: Fair reiver that highest air yards per tent last year, Like, 990 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 2: he will chuck it deep whether or not it's catchable 991 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,240 Speaker 2: as a huge story. 992 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's going to have to make it work. 993 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 4: Then the Boston, the town is going to be the 994 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 4: reason he succeeds. Not because oh I was in this 995 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 4: great situation where I think the situation plays a little 996 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 4: bit more favorably into conception. If this quarterback thing just 997 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 4: off the rails. 998 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 2: We're gonna hate when Jerry Judy gets eleven hundred. 999 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm going this place to the ground if that happens. 1000 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: And you know what's gonna happen. You know, it's just 1001 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: gonna I'm hoping a new regime won't do that, but 1002 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: it's not going to shock me if it happens. It's 1003 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: just not you know, my problem with concept is the 1004 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: drops and the size, Like that's just the bad combination 1005 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: of things. Well, I was at the. 1006 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 4: Bigger than the Flowers and Flowers is really good and 1007 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 4: Todd Monket's offense. 1008 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Flowers is quite a dog in him. 1009 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 4: No, I don't know dog, he is a dog. 1010 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 2: Steen Brown, I was gonna say go back and watch 1011 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 2: them more of the NC State days, especially like I saw. 1012 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: I watched Believe, I watched it all and I had 1013 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: to watch it with de Bro, which was painful because 1014 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: he loves him so much, so I had to suffer twice. 1015 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 2: So everybody just sucks when you're around that. That's the problem. 1016 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: All right, one more guy here. And I saw a 1017 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: clip of you talking about this on social media follow 1018 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: us by the way. All the social media stuff falls Tailgate, 1019 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: Fantasy Brols all that. 1020 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 2: Do you realized it? It was the first name he put 1021 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 2: in too right, Oh, I'm. 1022 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: Sure he went right. He's like, where can I put 1023 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,280 Speaker 1: this player into this sheet? Talking about him again? Because 1024 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't enough. So I saw that and I was like, 1025 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: we got talking about him again. But Andrew Rickson just 1026 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: can't get enough Greg Dolcaic. 1027 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 4: It appears I cannot get enough Greg Dolcic in my 1028 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 4: life and in my fantasy best ball drafts. I just 1029 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 4: think that he is going to be the target leader 1030 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 4: for the Miami Dolphins. I don't see a receiver on 1031 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 4: the roster that I think is necessarily locked and loaded 1032 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 4: to be better than Greg Dulsic. And he was good 1033 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 4: last year. He from Week nine onward second among tight 1034 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 4: ends in yards per out run according to ESPN's Receiver 1035 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 4: Score two point seven yards per out run from twenty 1036 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 4: twenty five. Greg Dolcage fourth high all tight ends since 1037 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, twenty six years old, second in yards 1038 00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 4: after the catch per reception, trailing only behind. Maybe you've 1039 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 4: heard of Tuckercraft, So for me, Dulsich has a clear 1040 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 4: path to opportunity and an offense that is devoid of 1041 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 4: established passka talent, and he showed out last year in 1042 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 4: his efficiency marks, where yeah, this guy's generating a lot 1043 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,760 Speaker 4: of plays after the catch and when the new Dolphins 1044 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 4: GM was asked on a podcast earlier this year at 1045 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 4: the owners meeting, which guy in the roster are you 1046 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 4: excited to take a leap and get better in twenty 1047 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 4: twenty five? No hesitation, Greg Dolsige, that was the guy. 1048 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 4: So I know you talked about the coaches. I also 1049 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 4: like to hear from the gms because they are the 1050 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 4: ones that pay these players and sign these players. I 1051 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,320 Speaker 4: think he's gonna have a big role in this offense, 1052 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 4: and he is free free across the board when he 1053 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,719 Speaker 4: could be the team leader in targets at tight end, 1054 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 4: which is so important for these guys being factors in 1055 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 4: Fantasy Free. 1056 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: Is good at tight end, And it feels like annually 1057 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: every year there's a there's always a position that you go, 1058 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: I feel great about this position and it disappoints, and 1059 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: then as a position we're like, Wow, this position looks 1060 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: rough this year and ends up overproducing this year, ty 1061 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,479 Speaker 1: looks pretty good. So, Jake, I'm gonna ask you this question, 1062 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: can you afford to be late tight end this year 1063 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,240 Speaker 1: when you're running up against the Fenins and the Crafts 1064 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: and the Lovels and McBride's and the Bowers and even 1065 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: maybe Samuel Porta and Kyle Pitts and that if you 1066 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: don't have a top ten tight end you could be 1067 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: really behind this year if you kind of play this 1068 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: game and roll the dice. Does that make you afraid 1069 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,800 Speaker 1: of a wait and see approach with a guy like Dulcic. 1070 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 2: It doesn't to a degree, because it all comes down 1071 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 2: to roster makeup. I mean, we've been saying tight ends 1072 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 2: deeper than it has been for the last five years, 1073 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 2: and every single year I make the joke and I'm 1074 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 2: like we're not doing this again, Like it's the top 1075 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 2: three or four guys, this huge chasm and then a 1076 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 2: whole bunch of dudes going between eight and nine fantasy 1077 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 2: points per game. And that's the real tell here is like, 1078 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 2: I think it could bite everybody the butt if it 1079 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,439 Speaker 2: finally does happen. If we finally do get eight tight 1080 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 2: ends all putting up double digits, and Isaiah likely has 1081 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 2: a huge breakthrough as the target leader for the Giants possibly, 1082 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 2: and Kyle Pitts continues success from last year, and Ferguson, 1083 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 2: you know, has a healthy season. Kelsey bounces like, yeah, 1084 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 2: we get eight guys, then yeah, you waiting till the 1085 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 2: end game is gonna hurt more than it normally does. 1086 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,760 Speaker 2: But I think that if you're playing this game where 1087 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 2: like hey, I wait on a Hockinson, Dull Chicks, any 1088 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 2: of the rest, even a cock who we brought up earlier, 1089 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz does the exact same thing he did last year. 1090 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 2: You can piece mail the tight end position together to 1091 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 2: get about nine per game. It's just really good. What 1092 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 2: your question is leading in there is that if we 1093 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,720 Speaker 2: finally get what we've been saying is going to happen 1094 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 2: for years, then yeah, it will hurt. 1095 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: Well if you can't get enough of Andrew Erickson drafting 1096 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: Greg Dulsage. I implore you to join us on our 1097 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: twitch Best Ball stream coming up on the twenty second. 1098 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: That's Monday, two pm Eastern live Twitch dot Tv Slash 1099 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: Fantasy pros Tom Strachan and Andrew Erickson will be back 1100 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: drafting best Ball, having a good time helping you crush 1101 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: all your best Ball drafts as well. So, Andrew, any 1102 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: other pluge you'd like to make for that Best Ball draft? 1103 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: And I assume Dulsage is a lock. Yes, Dulsa is 1104 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: a lock. 1105 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 4: I got him on the last draft that we did, 1106 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 4: and I was in the FFPC tight End Premium, so 1107 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 4: he's better. Tom made it seem like so super aggressively 1108 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 4: as tight end twenty one or something. 1109 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 2: He's like, you can draft him tighten twenty one. I'm like, yeah, man, 1110 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 2: I got true conviction. I got to make sure you're 1111 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 2: taking tight End eighteen just to tick them off. 1112 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 4: But I would say too, and Jake, because we've been 1113 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,840 Speaker 4: talking about cake on this show, I think that this 1114 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 4: is an opportunity this year where you can actually have 1115 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 4: your cake and eat it too. When it comes to 1116 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 4: the tight ends. I think you can have an early 1117 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 4: tight end, and I think you can go late round 1118 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 4: tight end too. Why not? 1119 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 2: Why not? There you go, Joe let them eat Cake, leave, 1120 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,280 Speaker 2: subscribe to the show. 1121 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm ending it right now. 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