1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: with you, Buck. It's the it's the in between week here. 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: We've made it through the preseason. No NFL games this weekend, 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: but then everything cranks the following weekend. Got a little 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: taste of college football this last weekend, and high school 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: football kicked off, by the way, So let's start there 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: before we get to the news of the day with a 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: big signing in the NFL. 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: How do we do? 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: How do our high school team do? 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: We did? Okay, DJ, we won. We beat a team 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: that knocked us out of the playoffs. We were able 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to come back and play well. We beat them fifty 15 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: to sixteen. Nice had a really good day runn into football, 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 2: so it was it was great. It was a solid 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: performance like the first time out. But you know, it's 18 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: kind of funny sometimes as a coach, you kind of 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: take your cues from what people are doing at the 20 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: upper levels, and so I look at the Rams and 21 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: Jags and all these teams that really playing their guys 22 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: in the preseason, and so we didn't play in a scrimmage, 23 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: but we had intersquad scrimmages because we could control it 24 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: and DJ for the second year in a row. Man, 25 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: we came out the gates like playing really really well. Now, 26 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's anything to it, but man, 27 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: we were we played, and so maybe there is something too. Hey, 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: let's get everybody to the starting line, let's get enough contact, 29 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: but let's make sure we're ready to go when it's time. 30 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's something too. Also, the especially for 31 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: high school kids, the thirst and excitement to play somebody 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: new for the first time. Like the scrimmage kind of 33 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: gave you that. But like, man, that doesn't count. I'd 34 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: almost rather have it that first time seeing another jersey. 35 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: You'd have my boys already to roll here once we 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: get to a regular season game. So that's a nice 37 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: fifty spot. Nothing to sneeze out here to get out 38 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: the gates. 39 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we'll see. I mean, we'll see what it 40 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: matters like it who knows, like how good we are, 41 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: how good they are, but we'll I mean, it's nice 42 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: to win when you had a bunch of losses last year, 43 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: so to come back and get a win was great, 44 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: how about you, guys? 45 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: So we won, We had we played at Rancho Mirage. 46 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: So we played at Palm Desert, the poor JV kids. 47 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: It was one hundred and seventeen at kickoff for the 48 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: JV kids. Varsity kicked off at one eight on the temperature. 49 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: That's they pushed it back and think closer to eight. 50 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: But we won handily. Unfortunately, my son, third play of 51 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: the game, senior year, third play of the game, he 52 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: gets pushed in the back because you know, after the 53 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: play was over and his leg locks and he hyper 54 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: extended his hit pretty bad. So he oh yeah, so 55 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: we got Yeah, it was a bummer. So he got 56 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: it out. He played the rest of the game on 57 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: one leg. He almost had two sacks played. He played well, 58 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: but he just he's on one leg and then afterwards 59 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: he can't move. So we gotta we have We're already 60 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: doing doctor appointments, Buck, We're one week end of the season. 61 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: We got doctors. We already at that point. 62 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Tough luck, tough luck, but good team win. The team. 63 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: The team played well, so that was fun to see. 64 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 1: So there's your there's a little high school recap. As 65 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: we uh as launched this thing. So the news of 66 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: the morning, Buck we've got Terry McLaurin. That thing finally 67 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: gets done three years, ninety six million. So before I 68 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: kind of get your thoughts on the contract itself, I 69 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: did some homework on this and I was curious about it. 70 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: So I wanted to see a how did they use Terry? Obviously, 71 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: even though Terry's been a really good player for a 72 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: long time, So how did they use him? How does 73 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 1: he fit in going forward? And how did they complete 74 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: this offense? This is a fun offense to watch last 75 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: year with Jade and Daniels. But I want to kind 76 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: of just get into Washington a little bit here. So 77 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: I went back and I pulled up and you know, 78 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: I want to get a refresher on Terry last year. 79 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: Let's go pull up his explosives. So I pulled up 80 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: all of his explosive catches. So that's over fifteen yards. 81 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: And this is what I'll just kind of give you 82 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: the data and then we'll go from there. Just watching 83 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: all these plays. I had it for seven go balls, 84 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: I had four on scrambles. I had three deep curls, 85 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: three overs, two slants, two comebacks, one dig, one corner. 86 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: So my takeaway was, gosh, man, I didn't realize Terry 87 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: was such the vertical guy. For some reason, I had 88 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: it in my head like more run after catch, you know, 89 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, things like that. He's a good route runner, 90 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: but man, it's a lot of verticals. It's a lot 91 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: of you know, staying on one path, go balls deep 92 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: overs only the two slants, so in terms of like 93 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: air yards like, they're not like they were pushing the 94 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: ball vertically a lot. And he was a big factor 95 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: in that. So then I'm looking at that and I go, okay, well, 96 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: then let's look at who the run after catch guys 97 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: were in this offense last year, because not really Terry. 98 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: He was third on the team. So last year was 99 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: Eckler was first at four hundred and twenty something, and 100 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: then Zakias was next. Now he's he's on Chicago. He's 101 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: had a really nice preseason with the Bears. So he's gone. 102 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: So I'm like, guys, it doesn't seem like a lot. 103 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: Where were they, Okay last year? 104 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: Looked it up. 105 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: They were sixteenth and run after catch this year just 106 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: in the preseason. Preseason is a liar. I understand that 107 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: you're not playing all your guys, but the twenty six 108 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: twenty sixth the yards after catching the preseason, so I 109 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: guess I'm kind of getting that. I love the deal 110 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: for McLaurin. I love getting him in there, a great guy, leader, 111 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: vertical player. I feel like for this offense to get 112 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: where they need to go, they're going to need more 113 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: run after catch, and I guess that, that, to me 114 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: informs the Debo decision for him in there to satisfy 115 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: that role. 116 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you I think you're right on, right on point. 117 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: Part of the reason why they added Deebo Samuel is 118 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: to diversify their offense. When you talked about it, it's 119 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: funny because when you look at Terry mclauren's numbers, you 120 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: see him as more of a It's funny you talk 121 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 2: about the vertical part of it, but look is his 122 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: yards per catch or whatever. He's more of a possession 123 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: number one receiver. You need the exposive play. So Debo 124 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: comes in and what he gives you is to catch 125 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: and run factor, the yack, the physicality, the toughness, to 126 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: the ability to maybe add in some high completion percentage 127 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: passes but maybe have a big yield on that because 128 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: he's able to break a tackle of two and get 129 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: to it. They really compliment each other very very well. 130 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: And it'd be interesting because Deebo's contract is up, they 131 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: have to pay him as I'm one if they keep them. 132 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: But how do they go about the ying and yang 133 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: of using these guys as a duo. 134 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just fascinating kind of looking at it, because 135 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: then you look at the tight end position like zach 136 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: Ertz is. You know, he's steady, eddie veteran. He's going 137 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: to be your third down. He made some clutch catches 138 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: for them red zone third down, but he's not you know, 139 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: at this point his career, he's not giving you much 140 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: in terms of run after catch. I look, I love 141 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: what I've seen and I'm going to hit on this 142 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: with Rosenthal on the forties of free agents thing we're doing. 143 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: But the Jacory Krosky Merritt is going to be a 144 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: big factor for them. The rookie running back that they 145 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: got in the seventh round who ended up being a 146 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: real steal. But you know he's string yep east West 147 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: there you go, you saw him there, So you know, 148 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: I think he's going to factor in. Try and get 149 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: him the ball to let him do some things. Out 150 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: there in space. But when you're trying to find like 151 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: the you know, the complete offense here id of digging 152 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: into just this particular team, I was like, man, it's 153 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: kind of impressive what they were able to do last 154 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: year because I don't think the offensive line was outstanding. 155 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: They've made some improvements there with learning tonsol and made 156 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: some upgrades here along that front. But man, I don't 157 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: even know if this thing's fully assembled yet, is what 158 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm getting at. 159 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: No, it's not fully baked out. And you know, was 160 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: really really interesting when it comes to Washington when they 161 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: made the trade to move Brian Robinson out, you know, 162 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: there was a lot of conversation like, man, this was 163 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: just started running back. He's the physical presence. Why would 164 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: you get him out? And they just felt like they 165 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: were leaving a meat on the bone. And some would 166 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: say like they just left a lot of stuff on 167 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: the table and they just needed more. And as you 168 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: talked about Merritt coming over, we talked about what Austin 169 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: Eckler can do out the backfield. Some of those things. 170 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: To me, yeah, I think this offense more than ever 171 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: is going to be the Jade and Daniels Show in 172 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: terms of everything is designed to mac surmize who he 173 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 2: is as a playmaker, particularly different types of passes, being 174 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: able to use maybe swings and screens as a little 175 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: bit of your running game. Some of the RPO stuff 176 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: with Deebo Samuel, the bubble screens and all that. I 177 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: can see this offense being a little more side to side, horizontal, 178 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: but still having a vertical element as they begin to 179 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: use different parts of their playbook to maximize the talent 180 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: of a quarterback. 181 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm going back through my notes because I wanted to 182 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: pull up just my draft notes on McLaurin and just 183 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: to give you a refresher. So Buck when he was 184 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: coming out, remember he ran fast. He was six oh 185 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: one to weight, ran four to three five at Indie. 186 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: On my notes on plays outside, he's got tons of juice, 187 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: does let the ball get into his chest on occasion. 188 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: He's tough. 189 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: He'll work in the middle of the field, which a 190 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: lot of chunk plays. So the story that I had 191 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: on him and talking to the guys at Ohio State 192 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: was he went to a camp and as a younger player, 193 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: went to this camp at Ohio State hoping to get 194 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: a scholarship offer, and ran really fast, all those things, 195 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: but didn't catch the ball particularly well. So they said, well, 196 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: you got to work on catching the ball. Like if 197 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: you can, we can't offer you right now. We just 198 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: work on catching the ball. So he caught two hundred 199 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: balls a day after that, and a lot of it 200 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: I believe was from his mom, like just throwing the 201 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: balls in the house, whatever he could do. Just he 202 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: was going to catch two hundred balls a day, goes 203 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: back to the camp, catches the ball really really well, 204 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: gets the offer, and off he goes. So that was 205 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: one of those things when you think about as a scout, 206 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: you're getting information on guys, and we've been hammering home 207 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: care factor. Right, That's like the Moves twenty twenty five theme. 208 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: You know, care factor with players? How much do they care? 209 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: How important is it to him to have that as 210 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: a type of a story. Is a great example of 211 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: someone who has a very high care factor. 212 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: I mean that is the biggest thing. And when you 213 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: began to talk to evaluators and the changing times of 214 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: the landscape, it is digging into the care factor. How 215 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: many people absolutely love it. Where take the money aside, 216 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: take all the things that come with the lifestyle. How 217 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: many people are willing to do the dirty work to 218 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: make themselves the best that they can be as a player. 219 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: When you hear those stories, it kind of validates and 220 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: confirms a lot of the stuff that you've heard about 221 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: them the entire time, and it makes you feel better 222 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: about stroking a check to a player who has kind 223 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: of put himself up by his bootstraps. So I dig 224 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 2: it when it comes to this new model, because I 225 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: think when we were leading up to the draft, we 226 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 2: talked about the other column and reports where people are 227 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: talking about the football character and how the football character 228 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: more than ever is being valued and not about like, 229 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: oh are they good people on and off, but also 230 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: about how much they love it, how much? What's the 231 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: work ethic? Like do they really care about it? If 232 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: you took it away from them? What they really miss it? 233 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: That kind of stuff when it comes to bath. 234 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I just think it's what you got to 235 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: focus right now. It's going to be the differentiator as 236 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: we're as we're going for. It's going to be a 237 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: major major impact there. All right, we've got some other 238 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: news here. I guess we can run this into or 239 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: hot or not here. It's time for hot or Not, 240 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: brought to you by Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage. We've got 241 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: some trades and some movement here. We've talked about this 242 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: a little bit on the previous episode, but Sam Howell 243 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: got traded. He goes to the Philadelphia Eagles. We were 244 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: speaking of Washington. They decided to make a move. They 245 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: trade Brian Robinson, and I think that's a lot because 246 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: of the emergence of the rookie Brian Robinson, the forty 247 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: nine ers who've been dinged up in the backfield, so 248 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: it gives them a little bit of insurance there on 249 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: that front, seeing a lot of these back end trades 250 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: that are taking place, seeing some offensive linemen they're moving 251 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: around as well. But I wanted to focus on the 252 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: Eagles as we're talking about what's hot. Anybody, anybody at all, 253 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: spend more time and resources on exploring quarterback avenues and 254 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: seeing how they can extract value at that specific position. 255 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: I mean, everyone laughed when they said this, and they 256 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: said when Doug Peterson was the head coach, and it 257 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: was Doug Peterson and Howie Roseman, and it was when 258 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: they took Jalen Hurts and they talked about we would 259 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: like to be a quarterback factory and coming off the 260 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: heels of something that Andy Reid did when he was there. 261 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: It is the most valuable position. It's the position that 262 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: pays you back in return, if you the highest return 263 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: on investment you got it in. It's the one thing 264 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: where if you do discover the secret sauce in terms 265 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: of being able to develop young players and draft the 266 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 2: free agents, cast offs misfits and have them show a 267 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: little bit of promise, it pays off. And going all 268 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: the way back to when this team, this franchise, so 269 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: many guys have come through there. People that talk about 270 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 2: the Michael Vick reclamation project where they were able to 271 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: build him back up and move on from Donovan McNab. 272 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: We can talk about a j. Feeley who was a 273 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 2: part of when we were part of it, how they 274 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: auction him off, Kevin Cobb. I mean they have mastered 275 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: the sauce and now with Howie who saw all of 276 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: that as a younger scout or someone that was in 277 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: the building during that time, they've continued to invest in 278 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: it and DJ why not. Like I told you, this 279 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: was a tactic when I was in Green Bay as 280 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 2: a player. This is what Ron Wolf would do all 281 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: the time. Kick the tires on quarterbacks because you never 282 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: know what could happen down the line. The Eagles have 283 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: just taken it and run with it, and they've had 284 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: been so successful with this model, why would you stop? 285 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: I just wrote down two things your backup quarterback in 286 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: an ideal world should be able to do. Two things. 287 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: Should be able to save a season? Actually I write 288 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: down three things. First, first of all, let's say serve 289 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback, right, So you got to get a good dude, 290 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: because he gets a selfish player in that role you 291 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: still have if you're a backup quarterback, part of your 292 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: job is to serve the starter. Whatever homework you can provide, 293 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: whatever information you can provide. You want to be an 294 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: set in the room. So you're going to serve the starter. 295 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: And by all accounts, the guys they've brought through there 296 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: that have been those type of players. But the really 297 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: the big two things. Could he save a season? In 298 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: other words, Jalen Hurts is out for two to three weeks? 299 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: Can he keep us afloat? Can he keep us alive? 300 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: And not? And we don't just flush the season because 301 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: our quarterback misses a couple of weeks. So can he saves, 302 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: and then number two, can he create future value because 303 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to do both those things. If your 304 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: starter goes down for a month or less. You know, 305 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: two three, four games, you just saved the season. Oh, 306 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: by the way, you just showed the rest of that 307 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: you can play, And now all of a sudden, we've 308 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: got an asset that we can market off into the future. 309 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's worked so well for them DJ, 310 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: It's worked so well, and it takes what I would 311 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: say an organizational commitment to be able to pull this off. 312 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: Everyone has to buy into a We always want to 313 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: take a chance on quarterbacks, whether we're drafting them when 314 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: people say we don't need to draft him, whether we're 315 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: trading for him, when once again people say, hey, you 316 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: already have a starter and maybe a backup. Why would 317 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: you do this? Whatever it is, but it's kicking the 318 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: tires on those guys because we've said it, one man's 319 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: trash is another man's treasure. One organization, one head coach 320 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: understands how to unlock the talents of quarterbacks that others don't. 321 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: Why not it cost you nothing, but the rewards can 322 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: be so handsome in return that why wouldn't you invest 323 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: in the quarterback position now? 324 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: And on on the on the topic Buck, the team 325 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: that traded Sam Howell to the Philadelphi Eagles, the reason 326 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: they traded him, it's because Carson Wentz comes in. So 327 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: I thought that was fascinating. Again, goes back to a 328 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: theme that you've referenced forever is when you have when 329 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: you have a high pick that I don't know how 330 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: many what are these cats get nine lives? Is that 331 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: what they say? I think I think a top five 332 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: pick quarterback might get more. 333 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think Carson Wentz is probably eighty. By 334 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: the fact that he spent what year did he spend 335 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: in l A he' spent like a season or so, 336 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: som McVay is able to kind of give some insight 337 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: into how he learns, how he interacts with the team. 338 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: And let's be real, however, sideways, a guy for Carson Wentz, 339 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: at one point, this. 340 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Guy seventeen would have been the MVP. 341 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, at one point he was on the way to 342 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: win the MVP Award. He has played in a bunch 343 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: of different wards and it hasn't been great of late. 344 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: But man, if you're talking about being able to get 345 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: out of a situation, get out of a game, get 346 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: out of a season because something happens with the start. 347 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: Because remember JJ McCarthy, you still have no idea what 348 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: this is going to look like when we start playing 349 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: for real. You're trying to make sure that you beef 350 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: up that QB two spot just in case it doesn't 351 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: go the way that you wanted to go, be an 352 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: injury or performance. Carson Wentz gives him that, And I'm 353 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: not gonna sit here and blow small like Carson Wentz 354 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: has played at a Pro Bowl level of late. But 355 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: if you're Kevin O'Connell, and we've seen Kevin O'Connell work 356 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: with all different types, at least from a tool standpoint, 357 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: he gives you a chance to run your offense. 358 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: Theain't no question. And look he's good dude, and he 359 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: was there, Gab just put it in. Put it in 360 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: the chat for us here twenty twenty three. So that's 361 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 1: when when Carson got his experience there with the rams. 362 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: So interesting to see this kind of quarterback care sol 363 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: there's some of the quarterback topics I want to hit 364 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: you here in a minute, But that was this week's 365 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: Hot or Not segment. Brought to you by with Sabbi 366 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: Hot cloud storage, Store more and do more with your data. 367 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: Try them for free at withsaby dot com. Quick pause, Buck, 368 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: I've got another quarterback topic I want to hit you 369 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: on right after this. All right, Buck, Look it's you 370 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: knew it was going to be the topic of conversation. 371 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: We saw the first preseason game for Shudeur Sanders. It 372 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: went really really well there. Then he gets nicked up. 373 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: Then we saw kind of the downside of him or 374 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: the concern with him, and the last start, which was 375 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: holding the freaking football forever man. And that's go back 376 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: to and read the reports, you know, not just mine 377 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: or yours. I think everybody kind of said and saw 378 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: the same thing, which was drifting holding the ball, Like, 379 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: what's the negative there? That's something he's got to get. 380 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: He's got to play faster, he's got to clean that up. 381 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: And that kind of reared its head a little bit 382 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: the other day it didn't. 383 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: And you know, like it. It's funny, right because there's 384 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: a lot of conversation. The conspiracy theorists are out saying, 385 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: oh Kayvin Stefanski set them up for failure, didn't let 386 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: them round with the ones or two. Dylan Gaber was 387 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: given more opportunities in those things. And all that may 388 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 2: be true in terms of like who you played with 389 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: the those things, But coming on the heels of a 390 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: conversation that I had with a general manager where you say, 391 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 2: sometimes you put guys in average situations to see how 392 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: they respond, because part of what you're trying to assess, 393 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: particularly a quarterback, is how do they handle tough times 394 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 2: and tough situations. What is the resiliency factor like for them? 395 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: And Burshader he didn't handle it very very well. And 396 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: I know that the team in front of him wasn't great. 397 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 2: But guess what, man's the preseason. That's kind of a 398 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: part of the deal, and what you want to see 399 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: is can you make that group better? We've talked about 400 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: it as in pick up basketball terms. Sometimes, man, you 401 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 2: just put it down on the team, say give them 402 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 2: four players and see what it looks like with this team. 403 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: Can he make this team play better than it should 404 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: play given the talent that they have and with your door, Yeah, 405 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: the warts showed up in terms of holding the ball, 406 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 2: trying to make a play, trying to do too much 407 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: and even though he's coming off an injury or still 408 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: playing with an injury. What you wanted to see was 409 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: him build on the performance that he displayed early, being 410 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: able to get the ball out on time, being able 411 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: to manage the game, being able to keep the team 412 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: out of bad situations regards of what everything else is around. 413 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: Can you keep the team calm amid chaos? And in 414 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 2: this situation he didn't. And you know, for his detractors 415 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: it was confirmation, like h I told you, And for 416 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: his supporters it was like, ah, man, he has to 417 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: get better in that and the truth and the true 418 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: evaluation for the Browns lies someone in the middle. It's 419 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: a developmental process. It's part of the thing he has 420 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 2: to learn and hopefully he grows from the experience. This is 421 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 2: what preseason looks like for young quarterback. 422 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: When I started out first year scouting. Phil Savage is 423 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: running the personnel department with the Baltimore Ravens, and he said, 424 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: he told all of us young scouts might have been 425 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: a scout school. We're all in there, and he said, look, 426 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: when you are evaluating a player, you see the positives 427 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: and the negatives. You put it in the report, you 428 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: put it in the summary. So when that player gets 429 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: to the NFL, you're going to see both. You're going 430 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: to see the good stuff that you saw in college 431 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: that's going to show up, and you're going to see 432 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: the bad stuff that you saw in college that's going 433 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: to show up. What determines the player's success is what 434 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: that ratio looks like. So the goal is to now 435 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: maximize those good things minimize those bad things. I don't 436 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: think the good things completely go away. I don't think 437 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: the bad things completely go away. So I feel like 438 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: this was a full picture of Shudeur Sanders, of the 439 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: guy we saw in college. We saw the good stuff 440 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: early on in the touch and the accuracy, the ball placement, 441 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: you know that was there. And then we saw the drifting, 442 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: the holding the ball, taking bad sacks, retreating like that 443 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: stuff showed up. So the challenge for him going for 444 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: is going to be, Okay, let's let's minimize that and 445 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: let's try and maximize our good things. I just think 446 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: it was there shouldn't have been anything all that shocking 447 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: or surprising in the good or the bad, because I 448 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: think that's what we saw. The only thing that I 449 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: take that I take umbrage with is the word sabotage. 450 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: If you've if you've worked in a personnel department, or 451 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: you've been on a team in the National Football League level, 452 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: there's one S word that shows up more than any 453 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: other book, and it's survival. It's not sabotage, because guess 454 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: what happens when you try and sabotage someone? 455 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: That's like you. 456 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: Being in the room and pulling the pin on a grenade, Like, okay, 457 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: maybe he got got but guess who else got got me? 458 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, Like, is 459 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: no such thing as sabotage. In the NFL. It is 460 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: about winning and surviving and trying to get our family 461 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: in the same school, in the same house the following year. 462 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: That sabotage doesn't exist. I just found that kind of silly. 463 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not that. In DJ, we've all been in this. 464 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: Like you do it as a coach. Sometimes you intentionally 465 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: put some obstacles in front of a player to see 466 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: how they handle those things. Like that's just a part 467 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: of it. Like it happens on the high school level. 468 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: I have people and parents complain about a little Johnny 469 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: only got two plays. Well, those two plays need to 470 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: be great, because if they're great, then maybe gets four. Yeah, Like, 471 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: this is what it is like. Your job as a 472 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: player is to maximize the opportunities that you have, and 473 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: you can't get caught up in why am I playing 474 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 2: with the ones, the twos or the threes? Who do 475 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: I have with me? It doesn't matter when they hand 476 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: you the ball and they ask you to run onto 477 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: the field. Your job is to take the team that 478 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 2: you're with and to make it better, whatever that looks like. 479 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 2: So that's just a part of it. And DJ sometimes, 480 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: and we've said this, sometimes I actually worry more about 481 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: how you respond to adversity than how you handle success. 482 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: I want to see you at those moments. One of 483 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: the reasons why we go to watch quarterbacks live is 484 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 2: to see how do they handle when it doesn't go 485 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: their way? Do they talk to their teammates, what's their 486 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: body language like? Do they interact with the coaches? The 487 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 2: evaluation extends far beyond what happens between the lines, and 488 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: it actually includes what happens when you walk outside of 489 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: the lines and you're talking to everybody. All of this 490 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: back then, because remember, quarterbacks the most important position on 491 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: the field, but he's also the extension of the head 492 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: coach when he's in charge, all of that is being evaluated. 493 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: All right, this is this is fascinating to me, This 494 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: situation I'm getting ready to get into here. Michael Parson's 495 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: taking a nap on the sideline, buck coach, Bucky Brooks, 496 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: How you dealing with that? 497 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 2: We have to have a serious chat in conversation, and 498 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 2: I would say it's probably very similar to what Vernon 499 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 2: Davis had to experience for Mike Singletary centem off. I 500 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: think if you're Brian Schottenheimer and if you know that, 501 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: you got to address it right there, because what happens 502 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 2: is everyone is looking at how you handle the star, 503 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: and if you handle a star with kid gloves, now 504 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: you have no credibility when it comes to everybody else. 505 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: Like you can't be the hard line disciplinarian if you 506 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: don't address this thing with Michael Parsons. Hopefully in the 507 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: team meeting he not only addressed it to Mike, wuld 508 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: be addressed in front of the entire team and put 509 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 2: down some parameters about what is acceptable and what is unacceptable. 510 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: But I will say this with Michael, that is unacceptable 511 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 2: as a professional be laying on the table like that 512 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: regardless of the contract dispute and all that. It's disrespectful 513 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: to your teammates when you do that. So if you're 514 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: showing up and you're there, then you got to be 515 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: all the way there. If you're not, then don't don't 516 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: be around. But if you're there, you need to be 517 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 2: a good teammate. You need to be there for your 518 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 2: your guys. You can't be like you can't lay and 519 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: eat Dorito's and all that other stuff that people were 520 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: talking about him doing on the TAM like it's just disrespectful. Yeah, 521 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: I don't. 522 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: It's just it's a tough spot to be in, man, 523 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: because it's in the old days, the player just wouldn't 524 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: be there, you know, like he you know, if you're 525 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: having this type of a dispute, he wouldn't be in. 526 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: But now so as a CBA, like it's this whole 527 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: nd thing versus as the hold out thing. 528 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say and I'm gonna say this, DJ, 529 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: I blame the team. There's no such thing as a 530 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: holding in my mind, if you show up you're working, 531 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 2: or don't show up and hold out, but you're not 532 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 2: gonna get the best of both worlds. Where oh, I'm 533 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 2: not going to find you because I'm here, but I'm 534 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: not going to do the work. You're in or you're out. 535 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: There's no way in between. And when teams take that 536 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: hardline stance, then players and their representatives have to make 537 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 2: tough choices on I go handle the tough contract negotiation. 538 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a bad it's a bad look all 539 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: the way around. And for a team that's look, they've 540 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: got a talented team there, I mean, this is a 541 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: this is a playoff caliber team. They can get everybody 542 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: kind of rolling the boat in the same direction. But 543 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: I don't remember anything like this. It's been a minute 544 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: since we've seen something this. 545 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not it's not good. It's not what 546 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: you want to see, and it needs to be addressed. 547 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: And as much as I just blame Michael Parsons for 548 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: his behavior, look man, Jerry Jones is just as responsible 549 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: because this is a negotiation that regardless of whether you 550 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: try to do it directly with the player, if a 551 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: player has a representative, you got to talk to the agent. 552 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: And the disrespect that Jerry Jones has seemingly had for 553 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: Michael Parson's representation makes it very hard to get a 554 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: deal done. Like everyone needs to be a grown up 555 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: in the room. If you want to get a deal 556 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: done with your star player, you need to sit down 557 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 2: with his representative and y'all need to hammer that out. 558 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: That's it. But it can't be this what's playing out. 559 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: And I know the businessman and Jerry knows that any 560 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: news is good news for the Cowboys, But man, you're 561 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 2: threatening the chemistry of the team at this point. Like 562 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: you're threatening the chemistry of the team with the way 563 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: that you're treating Michael Parsons at this point. Like they 564 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: need to figure this out because it's a huge distraction 565 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 2: and I don't care how they try and dismiss it. Yeah. 566 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: No, it's a tough spot to be in there. I 567 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: was looking at this the other day and I want 568 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on it. I was going back 569 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: through the draft and was pulling up to the top ten. 570 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: I was trying to think of you know, man, there 571 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: are so many guys, the skill guys playing key roles 572 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: on the top ten of this of this draft. If 573 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: you look at it offensive skill guys cam Ward Travis Hunter, 574 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: who will be doing a little bit of both ways there. 575 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: Then we get to Ashen Genty, we get to Tederoa McMillan, 576 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: and then Colston Loveland. Five of the top ten picks 577 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: are offensive skill players quarterbacks, running back, receiver, tight ends. 578 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: And I was trying to think that you could make 579 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: a case that the offense could run heavily through these 580 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: five guys as rookies like potential. And let's say let's 581 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: put cam Ward to the side as the quarterback. I 582 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna make the Pro Bowl as a rookie. 583 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: He'd be astonishing if he did, especially in the AFC. 584 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: But if we take cam Ward, put him aside, and 585 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: take those other four guys chances of being like Pro 586 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: Bowl players as rookies. Travis Hunter, Ashon Genty, McMillan, Lovelin. 587 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: I know that there's, you know, especially in Loveland's case, 588 00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: a lot of mouths to feed there. 589 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: And Icicgo. 590 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a key force in 591 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: that offense though, man like I think those four guys 592 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: have a chance to have outstanding rookie years. 593 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 2: Uh, he absolutely does. And I'm gonna say this DJ, 594 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the club that were 595 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 2: viral about Coaston Loveland performing at the Rookie show where 596 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: he did it or not. Uh, he's one of your guys. 597 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: He's an R and B lover. He did he did 598 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 2: some singing and as they would say in the community, 599 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: we can invite him to the cookouts. He has. He 600 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: has some rhythm in those things, and I think that 601 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 2: boswell his connectivity. But he's a really good player. And 602 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 2: you saw in that that game where they really showcased 603 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: him and Cole Kimmitt and and those guys co Comett 604 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: that this tied end thing they got is gonna be special. 605 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: But of all the guys that you name in terms 606 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: of being a pro bowler, to me, I'll put my 607 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: money on asking Genty. I think gend is gonna have 608 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: an opportunity to touch the ball a ton and anyone 609 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: who knows Pete Carr knows they want to run the 610 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: football and they want to have a decided the look 611 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: run past ratio that tips in favor of the run 612 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 2: game because that's want to allow them to control the game. 613 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: It is also going to set Gino Smith up for success. 614 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: So to me, Genty is going to be in that mix. 615 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 2: Those other guys are gonna have big splash plays and 616 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: maybe they can earn the right, but I just see 617 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: a heavy workload for Askton Genty as the RB one 618 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: for the Raidings. 619 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree. I think it runs to him 620 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: and Bowers. Man, it's gonna be a two headed monster 621 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: there with what they're doing. But my thing is when 622 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: you look at it and look, Cuba Hubbard is a 623 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: good player. Xavier Leaguette you know, is hopefully going to 624 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: continue to take that next step. 625 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: But I mean, is it. 626 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it's far fetched to say that that 627 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: offense could run through McMillan, Like I think he cold 628 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: you can make a week halfway through the year, he'd 629 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: be their best offensive player. I don't think that's crazy 630 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: at all. 631 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: Okay, once again, I'm gonna say this, and man, in 632 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 2: the hysteria of the pre Jack process, tedman Millan called 633 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: team at cut a lot of straits, right. There are 634 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: a lot of people that kind of questioned, and then 635 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: when you see him, you like, oh, yeah, this the 636 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 2: guy that I've seen since he was at Survey, Yeah whatever, 637 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: just just dominating and like he has a connection when 638 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: it comes to ball skills in those things and when 639 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 2: we're scouts and even though it's preseason, I think it's 640 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: imperative that we dig a little deeper, that you make 641 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: sure that you understand who the kid is when we 642 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: make these evaluations, like he looks like DJ, he could 643 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: be really special and the chemistry that he already has 644 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: with Bryce Young can be underestimated. 645 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: So talked about those guys as being key pieces. I 646 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: think gent would say offense runs through him. Yeah, McMillan 647 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: by the halfway point of the year, I think he 648 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: could be their kind of key guy on their offense. 649 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 2: Number one. 650 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, then you get love one who's in a just 651 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: a really crowded group is going to be a but 652 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a he's going to be a supporting actor. 653 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: He's going to be a really good player in that. 654 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: So then that gets us to the fourth guy again, 655 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: cam Wort's off the side, and this is the one 656 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: you have the inside scoop on Buck Now that we've 657 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: made it through the whole training camp, I know he 658 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: hasn't been totally healthy, but how do you see the 659 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: role offensively for Travis Huntering alongside BTJ, who might be 660 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: in the mix be the best receiver in the. 661 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: NFL, starting wide receiver, part time cornerback, starting wide receiver 662 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: who will have major opportunities as a slot receiver. Now, 663 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: if he wants his role to expand, he's going to 664 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: have to learn how to play on the outside because 665 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: right now they have him slided as F only, so 666 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: he's playing in the slot. But if they want to 667 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 2: go two tight end sets, he has to learn Z 668 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: to be able to stay on the field. And so 669 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 2: Travis Hunter has to really understand the playbook get into 670 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: it so he can stay on the field and be 671 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: one hundred percent guy on offense. But DJ, his ball 672 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: skills are terrific. I would say that he is a 673 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: better ball catcher than BTJ in terms of like hands, consistency, 674 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: how natural and easy it is. BTJ is a better 675 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: route runner and more refined. But these two guys could 676 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 2: really help Trevor Lawrence finally become the guy that many 677 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: of us saw when he was Clemson and everyone was 678 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: amazed and we're talking about him being a generational talent. 679 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: But Travis Hunter has to get in the dent on defense. Look, man, 680 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: I think defense is easy for him. He has to 681 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: make sure that he's a solid, incredible tackler. He has 682 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: to be on that edge. But in terms of coverage, 683 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: it's easy. I mean he see ball, get ball, his hands, 684 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: his range, playing getting soon where he can kind of 685 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: see it and anticipate it. He has all of those things, 686 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: but his major contributions have to be on offense first. Defense. 687 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: Second, they've given him any opportunities I know have been nicked. 688 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: Will he get any opportunities in the return game. 689 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna be his jam. I think 690 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: they have other guys. I just I think they want 691 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 2: him to concentrate on a man being great at wide receiver, 692 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: working into the rotation at defensive back. I think that 693 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: would overburden him maybe having to be a three phase player. 694 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: If they can get him to be one and a half, 695 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: like a one and a half way player, I think 696 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: they would be success this year, and then maybe it 697 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: expands as he gets into your two and your three. Yeah. 698 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited to see him. It's an exciting top ten. 699 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: And then with cam Ward, look, I thought he's showed 700 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: out well in the preseason. You can see the ability 701 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: is all there. My goal for him this year is 702 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 1: to just give us some moments, man, give us some 703 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: excitement on a team that desperately needs it. Calvin Ridley's 704 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: going to catch a billion balls from him. He loves him. 705 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: They have a good chemistry already that's developed. So I 706 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: don't know how good that team's gonna be, but he 707 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: is going to be fun to watch. He's going to 708 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: make that team less boring, is what I've been telling everybody. 709 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: So excited about this top ten and I'll tell you 710 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: that on top of that, we're just talking offensive guys 711 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: here with this group got a couple offensive tackles in 712 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: there as well, and Membu and Will Campbell. But I 713 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: would say this is my and I don't think this 714 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: is any type of a bold prediction. But I could 715 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: see four games into the season Buck, the conversation could 716 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: be had of like I love cam Ward and cam 717 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: Ward's exciting, but man, should they have taken Abdul Carter 718 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: with the first overall pick? 719 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: Like that? 720 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: I could see that conversation. He is going to be outstanding. 721 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: He made that transition. Look that game is slow. It 722 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: looks very slow for him. 723 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: Look, man, I'm gonna say this. And there was a 724 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 2: lot of like jokes and barbs thrown the Giants way, 725 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 2: and part of that was due to the hard knocks 726 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 2: behind the scene of the conversation. They had a little 727 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 2: egg on the face with the Saquan thing. But I 728 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 2: will say this right now, it looks like they knocked 729 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 2: it out the part with their first picks Jackson Abdu Carter. 730 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 2: If Abdu Carter plays like we're speculating that he's gonna 731 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: play with this front four with Dexter Lawrence and Brian 732 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: Burns and came On Tibodeau and those guys, if he 733 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: becomes the player that we think and their defense plays 734 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: like they traditionally played when they have elite playmakers up front, 735 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: they're gonna have a chance to kind of sneak into 736 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 2: the conversation. Being very competitive for the postseason. And then 737 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 2: Jackson Dark settling in even quicker than many of us thought. 738 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 2: And I think the clock is ticking on how long? 739 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 2: How long before we see the Jackson Dart Show. Because 740 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 2: Brian dave Ball has already shown his ability to adapt 741 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 2: some of that old Miss stuff. The Giants offense has 742 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: some of that old Miss featured in baked into it. 743 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: As you can see, Jackson d are having success right 744 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: right away. And I just remember first year he won 745 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 2: eleven games with Danny Danny Dimes. Yeah, was coming in 746 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 2: and they did some things. They were creative. This is 747 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 2: a better athlete than Danny Dimes. I think he can 748 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: do some different things to really help his offense get 749 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 2: jump started. 750 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. Excited for the Giants. Man, they're gonna 751 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: be fun to watch, all right. That was That was 752 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: a fun one today, Buck. We'll be back as we 753 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: as we start launching into all of our preview stuff 754 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: as the season is right around the corner. Also, man, 755 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: it was so great to see college football back. I 756 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: might jump into that a little bit as well when 757 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: we get back with you on Thursday. So that's gonna 758 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: do it for us. We'll see you next time right 759 00:35:49,200 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: here on. Move the sticks.