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Speaker 2: That defender is in multiple pieces. All that was nasty

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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 1: the team, Break it On, Break it.

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Speaker 2: On, tuckdown, Saving Colin slam to the ground by fooda

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Speaker 2: baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul calvic.

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Speaker 2: So in an effort to make sure that we don't

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Speaker 2: have a repeat occurrence of the Mic Tomlin press conference,

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Speaker 2: specifically the very end where there was the walk away

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Speaker 2: walk off question that never was. Is there a question

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Speaker 2: I should avoid with the two of you here on

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Underground, Paul calBC, Darren Urban, Danny Sirek. Is there

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Speaker 2: a third rail sort of question that I could pose

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Speaker 2: that I should stay away from.

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Speaker 3: For example, we wouldn't want to answer.

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Speaker 2: Right like with Danny. I mean, if I might be

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Speaker 2: so bold, you know, the green being cast role, probably

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Speaker 2: shouldn't bring up the green bean cast role, right Danny.

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Speaker 3: That I was going to say, she's going to answer that,

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Speaker 3: you got you gotta ask something that isn't going to

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Speaker 3: be asked.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I just want to make sure if there's

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Speaker 2: any you know, any sort of out of bounds you know,

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Speaker 2: territory or topics that I should avoid at all costs.

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Speaker 3: I gotta be honest, Paul. There's probably a few that

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Speaker 3: pop into my mind, but I'm not going to bring

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Speaker 3: them up because.

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Speaker 2: Student loans, for example, you need to you're not a

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Speaker 2: big fan of student loans. With the two college age

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Speaker 3: Did a good job and got them through school with

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Speaker 3: no debt. Here you go and no loans.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, A right, good, We're good.

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Speaker 3: We're happy about that.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can keep poking. Eventually you'll probably hit

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Speaker 3: something that I wouldn't want to talk about. But I'm

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Speaker 3: okay with his student I mean, I don't love student loans.

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Speaker 2: You guys are already ahead of the game at least

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Speaker 2: based on the fact that you just don't know enough

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Speaker 2: about us. No, you're ahead of the game and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna keep it that way for the start of this week. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you guys are at least winning in the fact you

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Speaker 2: showed up for your your duties here, your broadcast duties,

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Speaker 2: as opposed to the brain trust of the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 2: that decided to bag out on their radio show this week.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones. You're right, you

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Speaker 2: know what, let me write that down.

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Speaker 4: I recall I'm pretty sure they did the same thing

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Speaker 4: right before they let go Jason Garrett.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you hear the little anecdote from Mike Turrico.

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Speaker 2: They were at Kansas City and he said it was

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Speaker 2: second half of the game. At some point he said, hey, Mike,

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Speaker 2: you idiot, right, he's talking about himself holding himself accountable

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Speaker 2: because he thought all the fans turning around and snapping

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Speaker 2: pictures was because of Jason Garrett. One more Cowboys head

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Speaker 4: I love it so No, it is interesting because you know,

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Speaker 4: Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones, they go on a local

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Speaker 4: ends as soon as the Cowboys season ends. But still,

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Speaker 4: you know, I you don't have to be a former

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Speaker 5: So it's something to keep your eye on.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of coaching things that could still happen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is by far the most coaching questions

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean the question that led to Mike

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Speaker 2: one year left in your contract? Dot dot dot. He gone.

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Speaker 4: He just bolted right there, which to me, that's the

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Speaker 4: worst response you could have, I mean, as opposed to

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Speaker 5: All you have to say.

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Speaker 2: But he hasn't won a playoff game in seven years,

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Speaker 2: and Naji Harris among those in the locker room saying

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Speaker 3: When we start talking about the coaching changes that have happened,

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Speaker 3: not just the potential ones in the playoffs, but we're

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Speaker 3: talking about you know, Pete Carroll, I mean Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 3: Pete Carroll, I've long Bill Belichick. I've long been a person.

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Speaker 3: I get it while you're there long term, I get

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Speaker 3: it what I think. Mike Tomlin is an excellent coach,

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Speaker 3: long time. Belichick did the same thing. There is exceptions

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Speaker 3: They're winning games, but they're in this purgatory where they

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Speaker 2: Is it recency biased to say that the circumspection of

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Speaker 2: playoff coaches are more likely to get canned than ever before.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's in Philly, that's a playoff team. Whether it's

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Speaker 3: I got a couple one I want to It does

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Speaker 3: bother me a little bit. I mean, if you're Nick

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Speaker 3: then a year later after an eleven win season and

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Speaker 3: I understand they might have had issues, but I struggle

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Speaker 3: with that. But it's funny that you're talking about. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: we brought up the Cowboys. I asked this of my

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Speaker 3: the team doesn't hurt that equation. But I asked them,

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Speaker 3: I said, be as objective as you can. Would you

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Speaker 3: fans get to enjoy a lot of victories, but they

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Speaker 3: have expectations that just seem to just rip at the

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Speaker 3: there's actually there seems to be some highs there when

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals do do well. Which do the Cowboys have

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Speaker 3: any highs if they don't win the Super Bowl? Like

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Speaker 3: it just seems like a miserable existence.

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Speaker 2: The stat I saw, by the way, since the Barry

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Speaker 2: they've won four of sixteen playoff games. So to Darren's point,

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Speaker 2: they make the postseason with regularity. They win a lot

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Speaker 4: The reason I was laughing is because I could only

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Speaker 4: imagine my dad's response was a lifelong Cowboys fan, Well.

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Speaker 3: He's a lifelong listening to Cardinals under no.

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Speaker 4: I got calls from my dad from my brother in

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Speaker 4: law saying, you know, I am not even a Cowboys

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Speaker 4: Cardinals only.

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Speaker 4: It's I think part of that is just with the

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Speaker 5: And that's not just in Texas. That's all over the US,

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Speaker 4: Right like not, there weren't a lot of teams or

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Speaker 4: they weren't being played on local stations the way the

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Speaker 4: Cowboys were. I think that's part of my least understanding

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Speaker 4: is some of that frustration is when you're talking about

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Speaker 4: Cardinals versus Cowboys, is the expectations are through the roof

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Speaker 4: because you have had success. Yes, it was a long

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Speaker 3: You didn't answer the question, though, do you think it's

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Speaker 3: better for a person to be a Cowboys fan or

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Speaker 3: a Cardinals fans for that reason? I'm like, again, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to look I work for the team.

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Speaker 3: I'm acknowledging that this team obviously has had its struggles,

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Speaker 3: and trust me, I interact with the Cardinals fan base

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Speaker 3: it just it crossed my mind having gone through for instance,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if a Cowboys fan couldn't have such

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Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, because if you're expecting them to

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that was part of it. Before the

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Speaker 5: The line in Dallas.

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Speaker 4: That was already a talking point before kickoff even happened.

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Speaker 2: Look the two most memorable, slash meaningful moments from the

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Speaker 2: and one has a Cardinals connection to me. When the

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Speaker 2: two thousand and eight NFC Championship win. You just have

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Speaker 2: Jared Goff leaving the field, and he was the last

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals two thousand and eight. And then the cutaway,

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Speaker 2: With all due respect to Taylor Swift, the most meaningful

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Speaker 2: cutaway was the shot of the Lions season ticket holder

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Speaker 2: eighty nine years of age, in his sixty sixth season

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Speaker 5: He has seen some stuff, let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: And is my old man who's a Detroit native who

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Speaker 2: used to go to the Lions games. I've heard and

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Speaker 2: I've heard, so have you not heard your share over

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: And Bobby Lane on the nineteen fifty seven NFL title Enough,

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Speaker 2: back when the Lions were playing at Tiger Stadium, that

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Speaker 3: My grandmother passed away of lung cancer two thousand and three,

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Speaker 3: I think, And the last I got a chance to

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Speaker 3: Harrington was the quarterback and I said, I said, what

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Speaker 2: She was right. Okay, someone who covered the Lions for

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Speaker 4: It was more of a free agency hall, not hall,

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Speaker 4: You can tell that things are really being changed, and

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Speaker 5: Truly.

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Speaker 4: think when you've got Kyler Murray as your quarterback, that

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Speaker 5: A whole lot better.

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Speaker 3: Also. And I'm mulling this in my head while Daniel

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Speaker 3: obviously Jonathan Gannon with his hip history is long past that.

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Speaker 2: But still saying they have that player mentality, that's what

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Speaker 3: There's just there's that feel to it. They they're coaches

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Speaker 3: we're never gonna get a bite the kneecaps quote out

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Speaker 3: of Jonathan Gannon, I don't think. I think he plays

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Speaker 2: But but Gannon had is we want killers comment.

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Speaker 3: That's true he did, and so I mean, although that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but you're right, it's a it is a

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Speaker 2: similar mentality. I also think Brad Holmes, the GM who's

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Speaker 3: Was that in the elevator too?

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Speaker 2: I noticed, does that remind you of another GM maybe

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Speaker 2: Don't forget the Rams traded not only golf, but two

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Speaker 5: Which I loved. Postgame.

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Speaker 4: Do you see Dan Campillhan not that game ball to

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Speaker 5: Yes, I love that.

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Speaker 3: Now I do want to I mean, again, the margins

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Speaker 2: Do you think the Rams were a tougher playoff opponent

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Speaker 2: was no pressure on Jared Goff. He was twenty two

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Speaker 3: Well, considering the Buccaneers blitzed like ninety a time against

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Speaker 2: That was Another memorable moment was Todd Bowles the big

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Speaker 3: Early in the game. I happened to have on the

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Speaker 3: they blitzed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and Eagles had no answer. No.

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Speaker 3: That was really bad.

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about so Nick Sirie, Honey, Okay, they

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Speaker 3: I kept I kept thinking of Jonathan Gannon. Obviously you're

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Speaker 2: What degree were they propping up? Nick Sirianni.

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Speaker 3: But I gotta like the misstackles, like every coach hates that.

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Speaker 3: But I was just imagining if Jonathan Gannon was coaching

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Speaker 2: I literally said to my son during that game, I said,

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Speaker 4: Can you now put that performance still on your defensive

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Speaker 3: I know?

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Speaker 2: Hey, are Cowboys fans going after Dan Quinn? His name's

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Speaker 2: They're both scheduled to interview with a handful of teams

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Speaker 4: Why don't they change it to where you can't interview

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl for everybody though, yeah, for head coaching roles.

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Speaker 3: Because ultimately, when the Super bowls all, everybody's going to

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just feel like it would.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that coaches are not able to have

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Speaker 4: it's like, it feels like it would eliminate that argument.

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Speaker 3: Well, see, I don't see to me, the argument isn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Paul and I were around a team where

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Speaker 3: and honestly, that didn't take away from what he did

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Speaker 3: it was because he was scared of death. Kurt Warner

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Speaker 2: But by the way, my Rye Smile was later he

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Speaker 3: And I've talked to him multiple times about it, and

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that should be a big issue.

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Speaker 4: Then and then the off season and Burki Mini campb OTC.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think that would be any team that you're

441
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Speaker 4: having to have a new general manager and a new

442
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Speaker 4: head coach and all the pieces that go with that,

443
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Speaker 4: I think too you're having to look at the situation

444
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Speaker 4: of what the Cardinals were this time of year ago,

445
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Speaker 4: and so I don't know if that's necessarily playing from

446
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Speaker 4: behind playing catch up as much as that was just

447
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 4: the situation. I think any coach, any general manager in

448
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 4: front office, you know, people who came in knew that

449
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Speaker 4: there were going to be pieces that were on the

450
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Speaker 4: Cardinals roster when they came that they were not going

451
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Speaker 4: to want on this roster when the season ended, and

452
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Speaker 4: that you knew you were going to be playing with

453
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Speaker 4: a thinner roster when you're looking at the pieces you

454
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Speaker 4: have and the depth, and not to say that it

455
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Speaker 4: was a lost cause you weren't expecting to win or

456
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Speaker 4: be competitive. I do think the Cardinals were a lot

457
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Speaker 4: more competitive than anybody gave them credit for at the

458
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Speaker 4: start of the year. So I do think, yes, you

459
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Speaker 4: were playing catch up to an extent. I also think

460
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Speaker 4: that was just the situation that the Cardinals were in.

461
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 4: But I do think that when you have an entire

462
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Speaker 4: new staff in front office, there's a lot of decisions

463
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Speaker 4: that have to be made, not just with personnel, but

464
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: also the culture and the vision of the future and

465
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Speaker 4: who you're hiring to get to that winning culture and

466
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Speaker 4: to get to those wins and that end goal. I

467
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Speaker 4: do think it is impressive in a calendar year what

468
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Speaker 4: we have seen from this Cardinals team, which starts at

469
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Speaker 4: the very top, and the improvements that we saw in

470
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Speaker 4: a calendar year.

471
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Speaker 3: I do. I think ketchup is inevitable. But I also

472
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 3: had to deal with where this team was. I mean,

473
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Speaker 3: this team was starting from scratching a lot of ways

474
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Speaker 3: with not just the hires, but what they wanted to

475
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Speaker 3: do with the team, and nearing clear cap space. I mean,

476
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Speaker 3: I don't think any of that was going to filter

477
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Speaker 3: out in one season. So why rush things? And it's

478
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Speaker 3: you know, that's an important thing when you bring in

479
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Speaker 3: a new brain trust, Like when you start rushing stuff

480
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Speaker 3: that you can make mistakes.

481
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Speaker 2: I guess. So what also contend you think you know

482
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Speaker 2: what you have? Do you really know until games begin?

483
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: For example, Greg Dortch, they were really honest, did they

484
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: think Greg Dortch was even going to make the final

485
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: fifty three? But he bawled out during all those camp practices.

486
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: Was one of the last guys I would surmise to

487
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: make the roster. Didn't get much playing time by the

488
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Speaker 2: time he had December. Okay, wait a minute, this guy's

489
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 2: a keeper. He can play, and so whereas other situations,

490
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: Marco Wilson, your number one corner, didn't even play down

491
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 2: the stretch and wasn't even there for the final couple games,

492
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Speaker 2: So there were things you can only learn in game situations.

493
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Speaker 4: I think the same kind of in the opposite realm

494
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Speaker 4: would be like tight end Trey McBride. I'm sure they

495
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 4: saw good things of him, and you know, the truth

496
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Speaker 4: is last season, the few opportunities that McBride really had

497
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Speaker 4: to shine, he didn't make the most of them. There

498
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 4: were a good amount of drops or miscommunication. So I

499
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Speaker 4: think in the opposite realm of someone like Marco Wilson,

500
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Speaker 4: you look at a Trey McBride and you probably think

501
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Speaker 4: you have an idea of what he could become. I

502
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 4: don't know that they expected him to blossom and grow

503
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Speaker 4: and thrive the way he did the second half of

504
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Speaker 4: the season.

505
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Speaker 2: I mean they didn't know till zach Ertz got hurt. No, honestly,

506
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: and your point, and even.

507
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 3: If they did have some ideas, as long as zach Ertz.

508
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 4: Was playing, the needed those reps and needed the confidence

509
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 4: he needed the chemistry with his.

510
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Speaker 3: Quarterback, and you don't again, they they played to win,

511
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 3: They played to do as best they could at the

512
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Speaker 3: beginning of the season. And I know Jonathan Gannon denied

513
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 3: the tale of two seasons the whole time, but it's

514
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: hard not to look at this team and say it

515
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: was you were really going to have a hard time,

516
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 3: especially offensively, knowing exactly what you were going to have

517
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: and do until Kyler came back on the field.

518
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Speaker 2: And Michael Wilson said so the final postgame radio interview.

519
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: It just took time, those were his words. Took time

520
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 2: for the coaches to learn the players' strong suits, took

521
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: time for everybody to be fluent in the offense, took

522
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: time for Kyler to learn the receivers. So to me,

523
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 2: at the very least, there's the known and the unknown.

524
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: The unknown is I would think there are far fewer

525
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: questions for Jonathan Gannon on Austin Ford entering this offseason.

526
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: Are there still questions, significant questions, significant areas that need

527
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: to be remedied and improved? Absolutely, just not as many

528
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 2: questions now. The degree of difficulty in some of these

529
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: questions might be great, like where do you find that

530
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: game wrecking pass rusher. How do you resolve you did

531
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Speaker 2: say you were going to bring that up, Paul, Well,

532
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that if you look at some for example,

533
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: gave you the stat on Jered Goff, how effective he

534
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: was correct, you have to figure out a way. I think,

535
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: and this is the priority of the off season is

536
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: getting to the quarterback. You got to find that guy. Unfortunately,

537
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: I don't think that guy's there at number four. Nope.

538
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: And because of that, I don't think you can afford

539
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: to take a receiver at number four. I know there's one.

540
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: There's one mock draft out there right now that has

541
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior going three, and then the Cardinals still

542
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: taking receiver at four.

543
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 5: To New England. Yes, stays at New England.

544
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Speaker 2: I mean no, And I don't think that's gonna happen

545
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: with this set of decision makers. I think they valued

546
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage so much. I just don't see

547
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 2: them going receiver at four right now.

548
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 5: I agree.

549
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 3: I was leading that charge for a long time. I'm

550
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: now wavering. If Marvin Harrison is on the board, if

551
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: that could change, I don't know if they do it otherwise.

552
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 3: The thing is is your your implication is what did

553
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: they take an offensive lineman or that they trade down

554
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 3: either one.

555
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: Either one, Either you take that if he's worthy of

556
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 2: for the Penn State or Notre Dame tackle, you go

557
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,959
Speaker 2: that route or you trade down. Now, the lesson learned

558
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago was once upon a time, you passed

559
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: up on Terrell Suggs twenty years ago, twenty years ago,

560
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, and you cash that in for

561
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 2: two lower first round picks ended up being Brian Johnson

562
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: and Calvin Pace. Swinging a miss. You missed out on

563
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. So I get it. And obviously

564
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: Larry Fitzgerald was a Grand Slam and number three overall.

565
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: I just my inklin is to think that this set

566
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: of decision makers though they viewed that line of scrimmage

567
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: as so far and above a priority beyond receiver. And

568
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: then when you see guys like I'm on Ross Brown

569
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: coming out of the fourth round, you see Pooka Nuku

570
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: out of the fifth round, you just pulled Michael Wilson

571
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: out of the third round. I just think they're much

572
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: more inclined if they're gonna go receiver, they end up

573
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: going that route with the Texans pick, which right now

574
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: was twenty five in CJ. Stroud. You're absolutely killing us

575
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: at this point. We'll get into that in a minute.

576
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: This whole discussion is is Bengals twenty twenty one, twenty

577
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: twenty two Pine Sewel versus Jamar Chase And I think

578
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: it was the fourth pick, I think, and I.

579
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: Think maybe yes, because the Cowboys are right after La

580
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 4: and the Chargers took Sewell.

581
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 5: I remember watching that Lions took Suwell, right, Who am

582
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 5: I thinking of that in Chargers?

583
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just know the Bengals had a

584
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: chance to protect Joe Burrow and they decided to get

585
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: him a weapon instead. And I'm envisioning his face in

586
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: the loss the Bengals. You'll think of it.

587
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 5: I'm gonna look it up.

588
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 2: Okay, well, okay, we're in the trust tree right. Twenty nineteen,

589
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: Cardinals take Kyler Murray number one overall twenty twenty. Who's

590
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: on the board at eight? Isaiah Simmons and Tristan Wurf's

591
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: number of assistant coaches wanted to tackle. Yep, you got

592
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: to protect that quarterback after you just drafted in number

593
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: one overall. Cardinals went defense.

594
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: And that was a whiff.

595
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: I'm anyway, that's that's just my my inclination at this point.

596
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: So much can obviously change.

597
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 5: For Shaun Slater.

598
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: There you go, Yeah, bo.

599
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 4: I, here's how I feel about a wide receiver for

600
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 4: you mean, yes, if Marvin Harrison Junior is the elite player,

601
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 4: the expectations of being another Larry Fitzgerald esque wide receiver great.

602
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: It's obviously a need. The situation that car DALs are

603
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: in right now, it is hard to argue that you

604
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 4: should take advantage of that spot if the right player

605
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: is there and not build in the trenches. You had

606
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: a rotation at left guard. You now have a question

607
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: at left tackle with DJ Humphrey's going to be recovering

608
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 4: his ACL at the Cardinal's going to stick with Humphries

609
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: and maybe have a veteran like Kelvin Beacham stay there.

610
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: Are they going to move Paris Johnson Junior? Either way,

611
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: you have questions and you have holes that need to

612
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 4: be filled on the offensive line. You still have holes

613
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 4: on the defensive line as well. You could absolutely use

614
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: a big body there.

615
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 5: But I agree with you, Paul.

616
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 4: I think the lack of pass rush that we saw

617
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: the second half of the season, which is really what

618
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 4: we expected all year. The first half the sparks we

619
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 4: saw were a little bit of a surprise. Is a

620
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 4: glaring need, and I think when you're looking at four,

621
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: it really does make more sense to either go in

622
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: the trenches more than likely an interior offensive lineman or

623
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: a pass rusher. And we've seen in recent years if

624
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: you've gotten Aiden Hutchinson, if you've got a Micah Parsons

625
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: out of TJ. Watt, they can be absolute game changers

626
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 4: for you. Doesn't take away later in the first round,

627
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: or you want to go to Day two right talking

628
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: about the other glaring needs of cornerback, you want to

629
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 4: get a wide receiver, a d lineman, But I do

630
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: think offensive line or an edge rusher right now January sixteenth,

631
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 4: I think those would really make the most sense for

632
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: the Cardinals, not just immediate but also long term and

633
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: what they are trying to build.

634
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: Well, if you're talking for right now and we're way

635
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: early in the process, I don't think there is a defense.

636
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 3: There's not going to be an edge guy that should

637
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: go for So you're basically talking.

638
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 5: Offensive offensive line.

639
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: No, which was fine in.

640
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: The name I dropped before is Brian Burns out of Carolina?

641
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: If he hits the market, and we know Carolina should

642
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: have locked him up a long time ago, why would

643
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: he want to stay at this point, He's going to

644
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: test the market. So if you franchise him, but if

645
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: he somehow does hit the market, boom, that's where you

646
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 2: could see easily, that's where you make the big spend

647
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: and you don't have to give up an asset in return,

648
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: unlike the Bears who gave up a high second round pick.

649
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: Franchise them, and do you look into a trade.

650
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: Two first round picks? No trade, it wouldn't.

651
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be a two first round picks. It would

652
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: be you'd just give them the Texans first and then

653
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: some other package. No, it wouldn't be.

654
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: You can see, look if if there are deemed four

655
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: worthy quarterbacks in this draft, because there are more than

656
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: four teams in need of a franchise quarterback, and all

657
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: of a sudden you get a haul for number four

658
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: because of Jayden Daniels or Michael Pennix or a bon

659
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: Nix is deemed that guy, then okay, you know, then

660
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: maybe you take some of those assets you get in

661
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: a trade like that and It's just.

662
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: It's interesting that you bring up Suggs who have gone

663
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: back and forth with a gentleman in the mailbag for

664
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: two weeks now because he's still angry about that, which

665
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, it's time to move on, dude.

666
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 5: Here's the other thing is, Oh.

667
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: I was just going to finish and say, you're talking

668
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: to you and you just mentioned it. Do you pass

669
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: up on a Adrian Peterson? Do you pass up on

670
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: a Will Anderson? Like that's the issue that you have

671
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: when you're talking about and so that's to me that

672
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: the scouting comes down to, like, if you really feel

673
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: like this guy is a generational guy, I think you

674
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: got to give it a lot more thought than just

675
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: we can get a receiver later.

676
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think we are on the same page of

677
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior, according to the scouting Department, is everything

678
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: that has been said about.

679
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 5: Him as a generational talent.

680
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 4: Take him if you think that that's going to be

681
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 4: the difference maker for you. It is still important though

682
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 4: you talk about all the time Paul is protecting the

683
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: quarterback and getting to the quarterback. The other argument when

684
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: you're talking about a wide receiver and not necessarily Harrison.

685
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: If you drop down a few spots and you're looking

686
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 4: at a receiver and an offensive lineman, A lot of

687
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 4: the stems back to Hollywood Brown, who is a pending

688
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: free agent. He has made it clear he wants to

689
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: be here if both sides are able to agree, and

690
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: he's able to be here on a one year prove

691
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 4: it deal. Since he hasn't been healthy the two years

692
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: he's been a cardinal, that to me still makes sense.

693
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: I think if he is healthy, with a healthy Michael Wilson,

694
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: which I know sounds like we're asking a lot right now,

695
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: I think what we saw in the last two games

696
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 4: is if you can kind of get rolling, especially when

697
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 4: you've got Trey McBride, you've got running backs who are

698
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 4: good receivers, you can continue to work with what.

699
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 5: You have as a receiver.

700
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: Which makes the argument of getting a pass rusher or

701
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: an offensive lineman at the top of the draft and

702
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: then looking at a receiver either later in the first

703
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: round or on Day two, and maybe getting multiple receivers

704
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: at that I think that when you if that's an option,

705
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 4: if Hollywood wants to stay here and they can make

706
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: it work, that can also get you by I think

707
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 4: we've seen for a year, and you continue to add

708
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: more pieces, but then you're really able to justify drafting

709
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 4: an offensive lineman or a pass rusher early.

710
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: Well, you look at the Cardinals list of unrestricted free

711
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: agents to be and I'll be honest, maybe it's because

712
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: I'm a Hollywood Brown guy, but I'm with you on

713
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: that Danny, of all the names there, I looked at

714
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: his first and I said, you know what, especially if

715
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: it's a one year, proven deal, bring him back. His

716
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: season on film was so much better than in the

717
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: box score. We've heard Jonathan Gannon say more than once

718
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: that when I was a defensive coordinator, a guy like

719
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown really scared me because he has that top

720
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: end elite speed who can stretch that defense. Just having

721
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: the threat of that guy out there changes coverage schemes,

722
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: and especially if he's a number two. If you added

723
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 2: to Marvin Harrison Junior, now Hollywood Brown is a two

724
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: and Michael Wilson is your three. You know, okay? I

725
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: mean you saw what Kyler did down the stretch with

726
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: a far lesser crew of receivers and without knowing exactly

727
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: what they're thinking. Think and Rondel Moore at this point.

728
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: Other names on this list. I know we threw this

729
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: list to Kyle Vannenbosch. He immediately started with the defensive

730
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: lineman LJ. Collier, Carlos Watkins. We saw so little of

731
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: those guys this year, but when they played, they were effective.

732
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: Cardinals have a serious need in the defensive line room. Obviously,

733
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: Lucky Fotwo has been a solid guy. I threw out there,

734
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: Antonio Hamilton, you're really thin in the cornerback room, and

735
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: you know, look to me, Antonio Hamilton is a perfect

736
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: third or fourth corner, and he's versatile. He can play outside,

737
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: he can lay inside. He has the size you can

738
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: put him on a tight end. He's over six foot tall,

739
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: and he's that veteran presence in that room. I don't

740
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: know what names jump out to you when you look

741
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: at the unrestricted free agents.

742
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, those you've probably hit on. The

743
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 3: guys that would catch my attention. I mean, the only

744
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: other person, Blake gillikin the punter I thought was pretty

745
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: solid yep. Obviously not only kicking the ball, but I

746
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: thought he got better as a holder. You know, I

747
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: don't know what direction, and you want to go with

748
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: that position. It's kind of a weird kind of situation,

749
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 3: but I would think that that would be a possibility

750
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: of wanting to keep some stability there because the long snapper,

751
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: Aarin Brewer, is also free agent. And you know that

752
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: young kid, Matt Hembrough who was on IR all year.

753
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: There was a reason they kept him on IR all year.

754
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: And I did not realize that he was on IR

755
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: all year.

756
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got he hurt his back in preseason. They

757
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: put him on IR. And you don't do that with

758
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 3: a long snapper and undrafted long snapper unless you have

759
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: some thoughts of the future with him, I wouldn't think.

760
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 4: I also think tight end Jeff Swain. I think it's

761
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: it's clear that Elijah Higgins has the from what we

762
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 4: saw at the end of the season, the talent to

763
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 4: be more of a pass catcher now still an important

764
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: piece in that blocking role, but depending on Swain's recovery

765
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 4: from his injury his knee right.

766
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: Cat it was his cat cat. I talked to him.

767
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: He it wasn't torn, it was it came out it

768
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: was best case scenario. I mean, he's one of those

769
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: guys that this is gonna be his injury will be

770
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: a non factor, and by.

771
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 4: By March an important blocking tight end.

772
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: The question becomes, did they see something out of that

773
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: young kid Travis Vocaluk who they picked up from the

774
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: Ravens late in the season, who's also a blocking tight

775
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: end six ' six big dude, huge, dude, huge. You know,

776
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: do you try and get a little bit younger? I mean,

777
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: Jeff Swain's been around now. I think Jeff swain is

778
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: works as a veteran in the locker room. But again,

779
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: how many how many tight ends a you're.

780
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: Going to keep?

781
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: You're going to keep four? I mean you could do

782
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: something where you kept four around, or you have Vocalect

783
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: potentially on the practice squad or whatever. But I mean,

784
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: I think they like Higgins a lot for what he's

785
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: turning into receiving wise, we already talked about McBride, and

786
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: so they just need to make sure that they have

787
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: that one blocking I also.

788
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 4: Wouldn't be surprised if they keep Josh Woods, Josh Woods

789
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: and Chris Barnes, those two linebackers who at some point

790
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: in season we're also calling the defense after Kayzer White

791
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: went down. I wouldn't be surprised if you bring back

792
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 4: Josh Woods as a second middle linebacker, and that experience

793
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: and the leadership and what he brought to the table, you.

794
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: Can play special teams. I don't know if they're going

795
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: to try and upgrade there, and that's also a possibility.

796
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: And see, that's the thing is we've gotten to know

797
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: these guys and so many of them fit with They're

798
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: all good dudes. They they're good in the locker room.

799
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: But that's what Jonathan Gannon was collecting in terms of

800
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 3: this roster. Eventually, you're going to need to find guys

801
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: that do that with a higher talent level overall. And

802
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: in fact, I had a discussion with my youngest son

803
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: who made the point. He's like, okay, Dad, but like

804
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 3: you still need the talent. You still need good enough

805
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: guys to win. It can't just be about, you know,

806
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: having the right attitude. And that's the fine line they've

807
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: got to walk. They've got to find guys that fit

808
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: what Jonathan Gannon wants culture wise and attitude wise. But

809
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: that can play well.

810
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: The other thing too to keep an eye on, which

811
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 4: is a different than the free agency list there because

812
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: you'd obviously have to give those players different contracts. I

813
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: think there's a still a handful of players carried over

814
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 4: from the previous regime that will be here for training camp,

815
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 4: because you need bodies that I still don't think will

816
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: be here at the next fifty three man roster cut.

817
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 4: And immediately person that jumps to my mind is outside

818
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 4: linebacker Cam Thomas, who has a healthy scratch the final

819
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 4: two maybe three games of the season. That's a name

820
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 4: to me where not a free agent still on this

821
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: team doesn't seem like the cards are going to turn

822
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: up in his favor of here for the long haul.

823
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: And along those lines, all the guys we're just talking

824
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: about again, you're going to resign them probably before free

825
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 3: agency starts in earnest. If you're going to keep them,

826
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: not all of them. Some of them will realize, Okay,

827
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: the market's not there, I'm gonna come back, but just

828
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: because And then but then you'll have a draft, and

829
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 3: then that will impact what other positions they might play,

830
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: and then you have to go through training camp. So

831
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: just because they resign a guy, it's it's not like, Okay, yeah,

832
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: we want you on our team next year. Necessarily they're

833
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: still gonna have to fight away on I know.

834
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 5: You were an arc on this.

835
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 4: The futures deals that just guarantees the players contracts through

836
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: the offseason.

837
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 5: Correct.

838
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, all a future's contract means is they've committed to

839
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 3: a team for the next season. So like if a team,

840
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: a playoff team wanted to come get them, now they're

841
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 3: off the market. So the player is basically saying, I'd

842
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: rather guarantee that I have a team this offseason than

843
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 3: sit a home on my couch hoping a playoff team

844
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: would want me.

845
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: Look, I'm gonna take on my Crystal Football. I'm gonna

846
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: give you a forecast on Cam Thomas. You ready ready

847
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: for this one?

848
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: What if we're not?

849
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: He had a body analysis Darren this rhetorical question last

850
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: offseason and they said he could easily put on twenty

851
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: five to thirty pounds. His brother's a d lineman, his

852
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: dad was alignman. So even though I think to some

853
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: degree the previous regime try to make him an outside linebacker,

854
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: they did, is that really his future? And if he

855
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: doesn't have a future outside linebacker based on the fact

856
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: that he was a healthy scratch the last few games,

857
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: then maybe he does go that route, gets in there

858
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: with Buddy Morris and all of a sudden he puts

859
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: on twenty five good pounds, which he supposedly can do,

860
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, here you go as

861
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: a five technique.

862
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: I that's definitely possible. I remember having conversations with people

863
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: about like, okay, you had Zach Allen, he could be

864
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: Zach Allen. Now I don't know if that could pay off.

865
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: And that's very possible.

866
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: And by the way, you need d Lyneman. Ooh, yeah,

867
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: you're in serious need for numbers and that position, right,

868
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: so we'll see.

869
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a good option. He's still here under contract.

870
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 4: I'm just not sure that that's when you're talking about

871
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 4: edge rushers. It doesn't seem like if you're reading the

872
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: tea leaves, doesn't seem like he's one of those pieces

873
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 4: in the future.

874
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: Are we ready to speculate about Zavin Collins in the

875
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: fifth year option or is that for another edition of

876
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: Cardinals Underground brought to you by Pacific.

877
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: Since they don't have to do it till May, we

878
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: probably should put that off for now. Okay, all right,

879
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: that's just me.

880
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that the latest update is of the

881
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: last four drafts, thirty two picks eight remain with the

882
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals eight out of thirty two over the last

883
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: four drafts, and your point earlier, Danny, I think that

884
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: number is probably going down by the time.

885
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: Lucky Photos we had one of them. He's the last

886
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: guy from the twenty twenty draft and he's a free agent,

887
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: so we'll see what happens there. It is interesting that

888
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: zaven Collins was rated by Pro Football Focus as the

889
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 3: best defender on the Cardinals.

890
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: Who Zavon was?

891
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had the best grade kind of Pro Football Focus.

892
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: And you say you got for what did he not

893
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: play the most snaps on defense? Well maybe not because

894
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: they had the rotation, but he was the one guy

895
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: who started every game. I think of what it was.

896
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: That was a stat. By the way, the Cardinals had

897
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: the third youngest roster by the end of the season

898
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: in the NFL. They played the second toughest schedule in

899
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. When you go back and recalculate everyone's

900
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: win loss records, and twelve teams finished with ten or

901
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: more wins, double digits and wins, and the Cardinals played

902
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: eight to the twelve. Think about that, and then think

903
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: about for the first time, the Cardinals went over in

904
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: the division first time since the new alignment two thousand

905
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: and two. The NFC West Cardinals went oz and six

906
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: and the Rams ended up with the second youngest roster

907
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: in the NFL by the end of the season, won

908
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: seven to the last eight and obviously a playoff team.

909
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: Seahawks played even more rookies than the Cardinals, were the

910
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: only team to play more rookies than the Cardinals this year.

911
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: And obviously they're gonna have a head coaching change. What's

912
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: gonna happen in Seattle?

913
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 5: How do you feel about Pete Carroll? Levenpaul Well? Probably

914
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 5: going to an advice Okay.

915
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: Here we go. Here it comes the monologue.

916
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna miss the guy. I'm gonna miss him.

917
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, coach double Rainbow, having a lot

918
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: of fun watching him warm up his arm, throwing more

919
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: pregame tosses than Zach Gallon. There he is getting the

920
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: all noodle loose and ready, you know, every things organic

921
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: and antioxidant and all this stuff going on the pure way.

922
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he can build a culture, there's no

923
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: doubt about it. But they also were straddling that line

924
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: like a Mike Tomlin. Yeah, they're right, there, they're not

925
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: drafting high enough to get any game changer at quarterback

926
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: to what degree as a team tuned him out. The defense,

927
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: his calling card, his side of the ball not good

928
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: for two straight years, I mean not good at all,

929
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: like among the league's worst at stopping the run, and

930
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: going into that season finale, if you went back over

931
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: the last month of Seahawks football, he was at a

932
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: loss to explain how bad the run defense was, Like

933
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: it was no komprendo for Pete Carroll. And I think

934
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: at that point management decided he doesn't look like he

935
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: has any answers going forward. He's out of answers, he's

936
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: out of a job. That was my take on what

937
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: happened up there.

938
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 3: I mean, again, like I said earlier, there just comes

939
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 3: a time when it kind of peters out and it's

940
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: time to move on. And I think that's what happened

941
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: with Bill Belichick. Obviously, Tom Brady mattered Russell Wilson in

942
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: his prime, and the Legion of Boom mattered to Pete Carroll. Obviously.

943
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: It's just like players, it's rare that coaches are going

944
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 3: to get to dictate how they walk out the door.

945
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: Well, and certain coaches are a great fit with certain rosters,

946
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: that legion of boom with all those strong personalities and

947
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: a locker room that policed itself. Pete Carroll was the

948
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: perfect head coach for that. Now, if you're gonna bring

949
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: in a rookie quarterback, remember Gino Smith is un a

950
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: glorified one year deal. He easily they can cut bait

951
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 2: from Gino Smith this offseason, and there aren't that many ramifications.

952
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm curious. I think there's not only

953
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: gonna be a new head coach, but there's gonna be

954
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: a new quarterback in Seattle. The Cardinals will be dealing

955
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: with your locke m I Z stop who was the

956
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: team that just it was? Tampa just dealt with eighty

957
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: two million dollars of dead cap space this season.

958
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: This season was supposed to be their reset, and they're

959
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: they they want to play.

960
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: Out, But I guess what, look at their division well,

961
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: and that's why the Cardinals are arguably going to be

962
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: in the toughest division in the NFL again next year.

963
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: I think the NFC wes will be back to that

964
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 2: status next year as the toughest division in the league.

965
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: And so Danny, I know I've said it at nauseam.

966
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: At this point, you got to get to the quarterback,

967
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: but you also have to figure out the division. If

968
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: you're Jonathan Gannon.

969
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely, especially if San Francisco is able to continue the

970
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 4: way they've been playing and seeing what we saw from

971
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: the Rams and what was supposed to be more of

972
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 4: a transition year for them and what they were able

973
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 4: to accomplish, and do they have a first round pick

974
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 4: this year? Lee they do, how they're back, well, for

975
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: now they're back to first round pick in the draft.

976
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 4: And then if Seattle is able to turn things around,

977
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 4: I mean, you're right, the Cardinals need to be competitive

978
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 4: within division because that that's it's going to be a

979
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 4: tough way to get to the playoffs. You know, it's

980
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 4: not like you're playing like against the Panthers or the

981
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 4: Bucks or the Saints, right Like, you're not in the

982
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 4: NFC South where you can get by on maybe eight.

983
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 5: Wins and be in the playoff hunt.

984
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: Whereas like Seattle was able to do that, but they

985
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 4: weren't going to win the NFC West with that.

986
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you beat Dallas, you beat Pittsburgh, you

987
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: beat Philadelphia, three playoff teams, but the two Rams games

988
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: were lopsided, two Niners games somewhat competitive and then in

989
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter got sideways both games. So yeah, that's

990
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: your task as a coaching staff, I think, is to

991
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: try and get up to speed with the rest of

992
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: the division. Now brings us to speaking of opponents. You

993
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: did play Houston and c J. Stroud. It's come full

994
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: circle to mister c J. Stroud in Houston and what

995
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: he did. I was thinking to myself when they showed

996
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: the graphic that he threw only He's thrown only five

997
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: picks all years with the quarterback. Yeah, and three of

998
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: them were against the cart I'm like, what, because there's

999
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: the old Peyton Manning joke. Peyton Manning loves to joke

1000
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: with rookie quarterbacks. Hey, feel free, Bud break my record

1001
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: because as a rookie, Peyton Manning still holds the interception

1002
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: record as a rooie quarterback. I think it's twenty seven,

1003
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: maybe twenty nine picks his rookie year and that was

1004
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer Peyton Manning and c J. Stroud

1005
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: has five and it's not like he's captain Checkdown. No,

1006
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: that dude has a downfield passing game, always thrown to

1007
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: the second and third level.

1008
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: In the mail bag of that posted this week, somebody

1009
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: asked me the original question was of the playoff quarterbacks,

1010
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: who would you trade Kyler Murray for? And who would

1011
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: you not? Now I'm not going there, but I was

1012
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: willing for my own power rankings do the playoff quarterbacks.

1013
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: And as I'm doing these, I'm realizing I think I

1014
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: put Stroud four or five, and I'm thinking, I'm surprised

1015
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: I have him that high. But every time I've seen him,

1016
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 3: he's been fantastic against the Cardinals and when he threw

1017
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 3: three picks, he was pretty damn good, and that hurts.

1018
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 3: It's impressive for somebody who roots against Ohio States so fervently.

1019
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: It's impressive what Demika Ryans has done in his first

1020
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 4: year there, and what Houston has done to rebuild and

1021
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: shift their own culture and everything they've done in Houston.

1022
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 5: It's incredibly compressive. What CJ. Stroud has done in his

1023
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 5: rookie year.

1024
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: It sucks as a Cardinals fan, that's for sure, of

1025
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 4: all rookie quarterbacks to cheer four right, because rookie quarterbacks

1026
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 4: typically don't play this well, and when their first round

1027
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: draft pick is yours right, think about we were saying

1028
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 4: at the beginning of the season of Okay, well let's

1029
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: look at Houston like that's probably gonna be a top two,

1030
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: top three pick from them.

1031
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: And now look, and rightfully so, because from twenty twenty

1032
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty two they had the lowest combined win

1033
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: percentage of any NFL team over that three year span.

1034
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 3: When it comes to that trade, if you want to

1035
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,479
Speaker 3: be upset the Cardinals didn't draft Will Anderson, I'm willing

1036
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 3: to you can have that argument because there were plenty

1037
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: of people that were saying that in the moment they

1038
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: should be taking Will Anderson, they shouldn't be making this trade.

1039
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 3: But don't come at me and say they shouldn't have

1040
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: made the trade, because look what happened at that first

1041
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 3: round pick. Nobody thought that this was gonna happen. Nobody

1042
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: and not the Cardinals either, I'm sure.

1043
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: So it's David Tepper had to clean house in Carolina

1044
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 2: because all those experts got it wrong. Yeah, they took

1045
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 2: the wrong quarterback in Bryce Young. It looks like it.

1046
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 3: It does look like it now. I don't know that

1047
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: that ended up being a mess too. And you know,

1048
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: you wonder about if if Bryce Young was coached by

1049
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: Bobby Slook instead of Frank Reichen and that maybe, you know,

1050
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: maybe maybe it changes up. But yeah, and that's that's

1051
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 3: the thing. Going back to the other thing. When you

1052
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: were talking about Suggs and the guy in the mail

1053
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 3: bag was complaining about how they didn't I'm like, okay,

1054
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 3: like bottom line, because his point is, you don't trade

1055
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 3: out of that. You take a great player and you

1056
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 3: don't trade down, because that's where Hall of famers come from,

1057
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: is the higher and I'm sure if you break down

1058
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: the Hall of Famers that yes, of course most of

1059
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: them are going to be first round picks or high picks. However,

1060
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 3: if you look at sheer numbers and volume, there's still

1061
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 3: way more first round picks that don't ever come close

1062
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: to the Hall of Fame than do and you can

1063
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: still make a mistake in the top five, as we

1064
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: see on a yearly basis.

1065
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: And by the way, put Houston under that category heading

1066
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier. If you get the head coach and

1067
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: the quarterback right, you can mask a lot of other

1068
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: deficiencies on your team. You get Tamiko Ryans, you get CJ. Stroud,

1069
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: All of a sudden sort of like the Cardinals down

1070
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 2: the stretch all of a sudden, Jonathan Gannon and Kyler Murray.

1071
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: He's playing at that level. You can go out there

1072
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: with a bunch of third and four string receivers and

1073
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: still make it happen. So and and Demiko Ryans is

1074
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: another one of those Dan Campbell Jonathan Gannon types. Right,

1075
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: He's kind of like half coach, half player, just the

1076
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: way he relates on the sideline and the energy. At

1077
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 2: least that's what the announcers are saying during the broadcast.

1078
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: They're been talking to a lot of the Texans players.

1079
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 2: They're like, it's almost like he's a team captain. Again,

1080
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: Dimiko Ryans the longtime linebacker of the Texans. So, by

1081
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: the way, I'm intrigued by your mailbag. What was the

1082
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: question about if you were to trade Kyler, who would

1083
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 2: you be willing to trade him for? Was that the question?

1084
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: The original question was if you out of the playoff quarterbacks,

1085
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: out of the fourteen playoff quarterbacks, who would you be

1086
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: willing to trade Kyler for? And who would you not

1087
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: be willing to trade Kyler for?

1088
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: Because I have a good friend of mine who was

1089
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 2: a pathological Cowboys fan, and there was a tech string

1090
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: and one of my other buddies decided to trigger him.

1091
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: At the end of that loss. Hey, Jarah ain't waiting

1092
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: around for a rookie quarterback. He's too old. Dak ain't

1093
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: the guy you think. Jarah calls up mantiasen Fort and says,

1094
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: bring Kyler back to Texas. Yes, herschel Walker trade, here

1095
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: we go.

1096
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 5: You think there's I have heard that before.

1097
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: Actually, why why would if you're the Cardinals, though, why

1098
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: would you do that right now?

1099
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: Because they pay your price, which is obscene?

1100
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 3: Okay? And and who's your quarterback?

1101
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 2: You're sitting there at number four. Maybe you like Michael

1102
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: Pennock's Bonix Daniel.

1103
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 3: That's the best. You're getting the third best quarterback in

1104
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 3: this draft.

1105
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: And you reset the rookie contract. You go, remember Kyler's

1106
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: cap number goes from your.

1107
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: Next year, and you don't know and if you get

1108
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 3: Bryce Young, it doesn't matter what the princely price that

1109
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 3: you might get of draft picks. We can go back

1110
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: to the herschel Walker trade. Yeah, that was incredibly one sided. Yes,

1111
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 3: the Cowboys won, but if you look at a lot

1112
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: of those half of those draft picks were just guys.

1113
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: So do you think Kyler showed enough, proved enough to

1114
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: this new set of decision makers that they do truly

1115
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: know he's the guy?

1116
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: I do?

1117
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: I do?

1118
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 3: Yes, you doubt that?

1119
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: No, I.

1120
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 5: Darren's gotting heated over here.

1121
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: I'm not getting heated.

1122
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: And I said this on the air before a month ago.

1123
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 2: I wasn't so sure based on the last three halves

1124
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: of football that went a long way towards solidifying his future.

1125
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: And you can say what you want to say. Picking

1126
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 3: four instead of one or two makes a difference, especially

1127
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 3: for a quarterback. Ask Chicago if they were picking four

1128
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 3: and eight instead of one in eight. I bet you

1129
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: Justin Fields is their quarterback?

1130
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 5: Who would it be? Now, Darren?

1131
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 3: We'll just have to see. I'm like Danny.

1132
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: Oh Man, Lincoln Riley and Dallas Bill Dallas, Lincoln Riley

1133
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: to Dallas, You.

1134
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 4: Guys are not saying things that I did not hear

1135
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 4: from my dad After that Cowboys loss, I was talking

1136
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 4: him off a less.

1137
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 3: Should we have your dad on the on the podcast

1138
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 3: that at homes?

1139
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: Mm? So okay, all right, any uh.

1140
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 3: How about them Cowboys?

1141
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: Any other unfinished finished business here? Uh? Anything else you

1142
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: want to say? Jordan Love. What's going on with Jordan Love?

1143
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? I mean, was there anything more? Look,

1144
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: we knew CJ. Stroud because we saw c J. Stroud? Yeah,

1145
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: was there anything?

1146
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 3: Did that last touch Oh? I think it was his

1147
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 3: last touchdown. I think it was the little side arm

1148
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: whip when they were down at the ten yard line

1149
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 3: or whatever it was. That was freaking amazing.

1150
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: I mean, at that point it was what forty eight sixteen, right.

1151
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 3: Was if it was the last touchdown. If it was

1152
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 3: the last touchdown, would have been forty one whatever.

1153
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: But by the way, do you see the Tampa Bay

1154
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: Buccaneers troll the Philadelphia Eagles with their tweet by Eagles by, Yeah,

1155
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: that's not nice. And then the New York Post piled

1156
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: on with fly or cry Eagles Cry. And this all

1157
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: started actually with Trey McBride when he left the field

1158
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia second last game of the year. He was

1159
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: flapping his arms and screaming fly Cardinals Fly.

1160
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: When when you look going back to the Packers real quick,

1161
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 3: it is amazing how exactly the same FARV to Rogers

1162
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: Rogers to Love seems to be playing out. Yes, FARV

1163
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: when they drafted Rogers the fan base was like, why

1164
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 3: would you piss off Brett Farv? Brett Farv had all

1165
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: the fans behind him, and then at the end when

1166
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 3: they they was time to move on, he started ruining

1167
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: that a little bit. Then when he went on to

1168
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 3: do other do other things and Rogers played well, Brett

1169
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: Farr became public enemy number one in Green Bay. And

1170
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: what's happening now, Like everybody is like, how could you

1171
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: screw with Rogers? And now that it looks like Love

1172
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: can play and Rogers's Aaron Rodgers, it looks like the

1173
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 3: exact same thing.

1174
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 4: I hope this is appropriate to say on a podcast.

1175
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 4: I saw a tweet that said, as long as Jordan

1176
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 4: Love doesn't rob people of welfare money or become a

1177
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 4: conspiracy theorist, he will be a legend in Green Bay

1178
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 4: for life.

1179
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 5: And I just thought that was hysterical.

1180
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: Maybe just spending all that time in Green Bay just

1181
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 3: turns a guy.

1182
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: Not only is he not that guy that former quarterback.

1183
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: Did you see where he helped the motorist on the

1184
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: side of the road, right, and then she took a

1185
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: selfie with him.

1186
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 5: I can't.

1187
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you a story though.

1188
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: This is.

1189
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 3: People can change too. I have a friend who lives

1190
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: in Green Bay who did a lot of stuff with

1191
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers. When one of his children

1192
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: were born, they had been doing a radio show. Aaron

1193
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: Rodgers showed up by himself to the hospital with flowers

1194
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: for his wife just to say thank you. Now, I

1195
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: don't think that. I don't think today's Aaron Rodgers does that.

1196
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: But people can change. So we'll see where Jordan Love

1197
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: is in fifteen years.

1198
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 4: I will say one of the best things out of

1199
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 4: this weekend with playoffs was seeing the Bills fans shovel

1200
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 4: the snow at the stadium and then they say, you know,

1201
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 4: the Bills and NFL say, you know what, it's a

1202
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 4: free for all wherever you can find a spot to sit,

1203
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 4: and fans are trudging.

1204
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 5: Through waste snow. It was just general seating, yes, And

1205
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 5: then I love.

1206
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 4: The fans that didn't even try to get rid of

1207
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 4: this stood they were just like lying back on the

1208
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 4: seats on this like it just I just feel like

1209
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 4: that fan base is incredible and to do that, I'm

1210
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 4: sure it's just such a such a cool memory to

1211
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 4: say that you help shovel the snow and then you're

1212
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: going through that experience. Now, Kansas City, I don't know

1213
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 4: if that weather is worth sitting out and watching a

1214
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 4: game four with all the wind and everything. But if Buffalo,

1215
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 4: if it's more just cold and you're able to safely

1216
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 4: get there. I just I loved seeing that from the

1217
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 4: fan base. It kind of looked fun. I mean, I'm

1218
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: glad I don't deal with that winter. I want to

1219
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 4: be clear about that.

1220
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: Kansas City. The video on that was circulating on social

1221
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 3: media of the guy going into the refrigerator to pick

1222
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 3: out the ice and having it freeze after it came

1223
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 3: out of the refrigerator.

1224
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: You were putting it in the.

1225
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: Refrigerator to keep it so it would freeze, so it

1226
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't freeze as soon as you took it out.

1227
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 4: Did you see the people that were drinking beers and

1228
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 4: it would be open and the beer would come out

1229
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 4: and then it would freeze, so you couldn't even drink

1230
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 4: what was left in your beer.

1231
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: Crazy, I just like the buffet and they just put

1232
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: the beer right in the snowbank next to their seat.

1233
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: In Buffalo, that was you know, by the way, I

1234
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 2: think this weekend's games served as reinforcement as to why

1235
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: sideline reporters they're so vital to.

1236
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 5: I was thinking about you, Paul.

1237
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: We got some good info out of it. It was

1238
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: the radio sideline reporter because it couldn't see the game,

1239
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: didn't have peacock and I'm stuck out on the garage

1240
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: replacing the spark bugs on a twenty five year old

1241
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: rig with my seventeen year old and we're out there

1242
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: listening to the game, and the sideline reporter she came

1243
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: on and said that Patrick Mahomes has his own personal

1244
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: heat locker on the sideline for his helmet, not just

1245
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: putting it on the high top atop the bench, you know,

1246
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: the post with a heater unit. He has his own locker.

1247
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 3: So why did it break?

1248
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: That's that was the question. That's why it came up.

1249
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 2: Not only did a break, but he has his own

1250
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: personal heat locker for it. And then she went into

1251
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: she did some research. She said, did you know the

1252
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: heated bench was invented in Green Bay in nineteen sixty one.

1253
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: The Packers actually commissioned a local like heating HVAC company

1254
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: and they created it and gave it to the Packers.

1255
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 2: Never license it, never trademarked, it never asked for any money,

1256
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 2: gave it to the packers, and then like the NFL

1257
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: licensed it.

1258
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 4: No, I was thinking about you the cold weather of like,

1259
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, poor Paul if he had be down

1260
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 4: there on the sideline, because I sure know I wouldn't

1261
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 4: have been.

1262
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: And then Laura Oakman reported Jason Kelce, who congrats on

1263
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: a spectacular rite all pro career. Jason Kelce apparently told

1264
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 2: Laura Oakman that he had a specific three word catchphrase

1265
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: that he would tell himself during.

1266
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: Each tushbook enjoyed this what was it?

1267
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 2: Bleep my life? Snap it, bleep my life, snap the

1268
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: ball and then just lunch forward and be at the

1269
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: bottom of that massy amenity.

1270
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: Oh my, I mean, no, Jason Kelsey, what happens to

1271
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 3: the brotherly shot?

1272
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 5: The tush doesn't get pushed anymore?

1273
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if not, I mean the tushbush, I mean

1274
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 2: prematurely retired him by at least three years. If it

1275
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: wasn't for the tushbush, he probably would have played twenty.

1276
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 5: Come on, yeah, but we got a Super Bowl ring.

1277
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: So uh so anyway, Yeah, I thought the you know,

1278
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: the sideline reporters revital to the NFL broadcast over the weekend,

1279
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: So there you go. C J Stroud really is the

1280
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: expletive here on this podcast until next season. Next season,

1281
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: we can appreciate c J Stroud, but as we approach

1282
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 2: the draft, not so much. And that'll do it for

1283
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,400
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