WEBVTT - Ep 99: Biig Piig

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of drunk calling friends, I just like drunk go

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<v Speaker 1>on like Instagram Live and start talking to people and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is not healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Evening everyone. Greg here, we are now into the second

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<v Speaker 2>half of this new series of midnight chats. We're five

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<v Speaker 2>episodes deep. Do check out the podcast we released in

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<v Speaker 2>the past few weeks with the likes of idols Tim Burgess,

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<v Speaker 2>Phoebe Bridges, Matt Berninger from The National and Last Time

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<v Speaker 2>Out Ezra Collective's Femi Colioso and if the state of

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<v Speaker 2>the world is getting to you right now, really don't

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<v Speaker 2>blame you. If it is, trust me that conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>Femi is guaranteed to pick you up at least a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. Got a super mellow podcast for you This

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<v Speaker 2>Evening Tonight's guest is Jess Smith, better known as a

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<v Speaker 2>Big Pig. On a stuffy hot day back in mid August,

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<v Speaker 2>Jess rocked up with the coffee and water to the

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<v Speaker 2>loud and quiet office in East London to record the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation you're about to hear. Coincidentally, she'd spent some of

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<v Speaker 2>the lockdown earlier in twenty twenty living in a flat

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<v Speaker 2>just a couple of streets away anyway. Much like her music,

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<v Speaker 2>Big Pig is a laid back character, very open, very chilled.

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<v Speaker 2>A first matter back in twenty seventeen for a feature

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<v Speaker 2>for Loud and Quiet magazine, and I've stuck a link

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<v Speaker 2>to that piece in the show notes, along with some

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<v Speaker 2>other bits that we talked about. But in that we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about the surprising variety of jobs that she'd done,

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<v Speaker 2>even at an early age, and her life growing up

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<v Speaker 2>in Ireland and Spain. Now, in the three years since then,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot has happened, a lot has changed. She's released

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<v Speaker 2>three p's, also continued to make music as a member

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<v Speaker 2>of the nine eight Collective and picked up famous fans

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<v Speaker 2>in the form of Billie Eilish and Clairo. In terms

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<v Speaker 2>of recent stuff, the twenty two year old's track Switch

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<v Speaker 2>is one of my most plays of the year, and

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<v Speaker 2>she keeps the bangers coming. Don't Turn Around and Oh No,

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<v Speaker 2>both recently released, are so so good. Before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into it, the keenest amongst you will have noticed that

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<v Speaker 2>this is episode ninety nine of Midnight Chats, A wild

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<v Speaker 2>achievement for us. I'm not sure we ever thought we'd

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<v Speaker 2>get this far, but thank you for listening. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>something extra special lined up for our one hundredth podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>so keep your eyes on the feed for news on that.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's get into tonight's midnight Chats, starting with some

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<v Speaker 2>conversation about the August heat wave warm weather, remember that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I do. This is episode ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>with Big Pig.

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<v Speaker 3>I do like the heat, but I don't think London's

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<v Speaker 3>built for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like everyone's just like sweating on each other

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<v Speaker 1>in just like in a panic, like what do I do? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I liked it. I think it was nice. I've no

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<v Speaker 1>fan in my house though, no easy and my house

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<v Speaker 1>is like made of wood, so everything was like really

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<v Speaker 1>hot and we were just like it was grand. Though,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I really missed the rain. When the

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<v Speaker 1>rain came on, I was just like, yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>really nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw social media was basically like in the days

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<v Speaker 2>before the rain turned up. I mean, this is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a bit like kind of like, oh, poor rust.

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<v Speaker 2>We managed to get through like six days of but

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<v Speaker 2>like Twitter, people were just like rain dances online, just

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<v Speaker 2>like please respite.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally, all the rain soundtracks.

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<v Speaker 2>Just tell me a little bit about how things are

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, what kind of level of like normality

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<v Speaker 2>like day to day are you at, Like what you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have you managed to return to doing the

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<v Speaker 2>things you were doing at the start of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>or like what, yeah, how are the days filled at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've just started to go back into studio,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really really nice. I feel like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have them been back in ages, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of took I don't know, the start lockdown. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm going to write so much and do

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<v Speaker 1>so much and everything else. And once it actually started,

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<v Speaker 1>things were just a lot more intense than I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just like.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to say, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>to feel.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I just kind to put it on

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<v Speaker 1>the back burner. But and then having that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a break of shows and break of like making music

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<v Speaker 1>and actually just listening to music and taking the time

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<v Speaker 1>to appreciate other art, I think it was. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was nice and it was healthy I think in a sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm saying that from a very fucking lucky perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was good. And then I think going back

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<v Speaker 1>into good in the studio now it's just like trying

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<v Speaker 1>to understand how I did that before?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I mean? Just kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>working out how to be with someone in a room, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you sort of lose those skills? Yeah? Get them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to recall those first few weeks of lockdown.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just full of people being like I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>use this time proactively to learn a new hobby or

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<v Speaker 2>a new skill or baked banana bread or Yeah there

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<v Speaker 2>really was, wasn't it. I didn't fall into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually have any banana bread.

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<v Speaker 2>Flower was really difficult to get hold of. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't find yourself doing that kind of well.

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<v Speaker 3>I did what I do so for a few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like so long going now, But I did

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<v Speaker 1>start to do kind of like I think I went

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<v Speaker 1>a bit mad, and I was like, I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>start reading bedtime stories on Instagram for like whatever and

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<v Speaker 1>kids books and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Teaching Spanish I tried, I think, I just yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've forgotten a lot more than I thought I had.

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<v Speaker 3>But but that was cool. I did that every.

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<v Speaker 2>Week, shooting people online.

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<v Speaker 3>Or or on Instagram live.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did like little lessons every like two days

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<v Speaker 1>a week or something, and that was really cool. But

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<v Speaker 1>mostly like the comments are always like we speak Spanish,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's all right, and then what else did I do?

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<v Speaker 1>Got into a relationship, So that was a lot. But

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<v Speaker 1>that was definitely a learning experience, I think. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that was that was kind of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been moving as well, because I moved from White

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<v Speaker 1>City where I was to them to East London, just

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<v Speaker 1>down here to an empty flat, so it was fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like moving into people and then I had

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<v Speaker 1>my ex move in with me, and then from there

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<v Speaker 1>we moved into another flat that was empty as well,

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<v Speaker 1>just down the road. And then after that he left

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I need somewhere that's gonna settle

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<v Speaker 1>me and actually just relax. Then the last month I've

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<v Speaker 1>just found somewhere, so I moved in there in Forest Hill.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was nice.

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<v Speaker 2>So lockdown wasn't quite so that it sounds quite turbulent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was really intense. It was really really intense.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was just o case, so like no

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<v Speaker 1>one knows what to do, and we just were like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sure we've met three times, so we can move in together.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure that's fine, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then doing that and being like this is a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we need to like I don't know, and then

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<v Speaker 1>just yeah, it was all quite intense to be here,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was grand and yeah it wasn't boring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, How are you feeling now? Are you okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm finally settled down. I think it's just like probably

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just that thing of like, even though this

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<v Speaker 1>year has gone so slowly, it's also gone so fast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you don't get a moment really to

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<v Speaker 1>down or reflect on it because you just kind of,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you kind of forget it as it

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<v Speaker 1>goes because you're like, this just isn't normal, So this

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so much that's happened, actually, you know, and you forget.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, there's an interesting time.

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<v Speaker 2>Really adjesting sounds it like you're quite like a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from what I kind of understand we've only met once before,

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<v Speaker 2>but like quite quite like a sociable person, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked a bit about like the nine eight collective

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<v Speaker 2>first time we met, and obviously we'll come on talk

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<v Speaker 2>a bit about that before. But so much of kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what you do and your creativity is based around

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<v Speaker 2>being around other people, yeah, and creating in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>So when something like lockdown comes along and cuts that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of in room contact off, like not being able

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<v Speaker 2>to see your your best friends or your family, or

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<v Speaker 2>your collaborators or whatever, how did you cope with that

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<v Speaker 2>side of it?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm not gonna I think I was in

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite way completely. I was like, well, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>seeing anyone that I'm not talking to anyone. So it

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of became this thing of I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>putting yourself in like a bit of a like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, if you ignore it then it will go

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<v Speaker 1>away a suppose. But it was kind of in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of good. I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>it was good to recharge. I think sometimes you can

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<v Speaker 1>get caught up in social situations and forget to be

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<v Speaker 1>with yourself. And I really haven't been myself for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, so it was like nice to do that

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<v Speaker 1>and just like sit with your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, and sit with things and go like oh

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<v Speaker 3>how am I feeling about this? Or like what is

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<v Speaker 3>this about? Yeah? So it was good.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was probably the major positive, like having a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of time to was that like reflecting on since

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<v Speaker 2>we first met. So we've met in twenty seventeen, that

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<v Speaker 2>was before the release of the WP big fan of

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<v Speaker 2>the session. Yeah, a lot has happened a three years obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>released three EPs since then, done lots of live shows, festivals,

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty million streams on Spotify later. More than that,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was just looking on there today, But

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<v Speaker 2>you don't normally get the chance presumably to pause and

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<v Speaker 2>just think about, like just have a moment where everybody stopped,

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<v Speaker 2>so like you'll kind of give in this permission to

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<v Speaker 2>maybe just have a think about things. Yeah, did that

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<v Speaker 2>happen to.

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<v Speaker 3>Let us thinking? Yeah, completely?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was literally just like I think sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you can be so caught up in things and things

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<v Speaker 1>even so quick that you don't actually appreciate where you're

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<v Speaker 1>at or what you've got. And I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>really had a lot of like things where I wake

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<v Speaker 1>up in morning, I go, what is happening? My life

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<v Speaker 1>is mad? Like this is sick. It's so cool, just mad,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just really really cool. I think, Yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 1>haven't really had a situation or a chance to do

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<v Speaker 1>that ever. So that was a really really lucky positive

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<v Speaker 1>for me to see it all from a bird's eye

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<v Speaker 1>view and from a perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Always like step out of your own experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly exactly how did you find it?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've gone through different stages of it,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, Like, I quite liked the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>lockdown when there were I think it appealed to the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of organized part of my brain where I knew

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<v Speaker 2>what the sort of rules were and what the red

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<v Speaker 2>lines were. I was quite disciplined to be getting out

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<v Speaker 2>of the house once a day to do your like

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<v Speaker 2>regulation exercise. It's just stuff sounds you know, it's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of distance since that time, but to sound

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<v Speaker 2>kind of extraordinary. So it was on one hand it

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit of balance of just trying to establish

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<v Speaker 2>those new routines just to sort of look after yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I did find myself like becoming much more aware of

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<v Speaker 2>looking after like physical and mental health a bit more,

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<v Speaker 2>just because you stopped doing everything else was just sort

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<v Speaker 2>of canceled, wasn't it going out and meeting people or

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<v Speaker 2>any whatever gigs you might have booked, festivals, anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's all gone, which is really sad, which

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<v Speaker 2>was obviously you kind of have that moment being like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gutted about that. But what that does do is

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<v Speaker 2>just generate all this time to be I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>just yeah, like you already said, a bit of reflection,

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<v Speaker 2>so definitely felt very it was a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>reset moment I think on certain things that just working

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<v Speaker 2>out what I really cared about and prioritized. I'm finding

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<v Speaker 2>now weirder the fact that sort of everything's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>opened up more, but only to a level. Definitely don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel anywhere near like the normal. Haven't been out that

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<v Speaker 2>much to kind of go to meet people or have

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<v Speaker 2>kind of seen friends and family, but in sort of

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<v Speaker 2>parks and gardens and stuff. I don't know. I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know where the kind of rules are. And

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<v Speaker 2>also it feels like we're going to be in this

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<v Speaker 2>stage now for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's all that thing of readjusting as to

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<v Speaker 1>being social a wrapp like do you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>or being like close to people.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like feels like such a weird thing to

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<v Speaker 3>do now.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know if you've been back to like the

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<v Speaker 2>puble like I mean, there are no like there's clubs,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no parties to go to. There's no like I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine like we've got lots of friends that put

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<v Speaker 2>on club nights for example, Like that is what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Like every month, they're putting on a couple of parties

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<v Speaker 2>and that's their it's their livelihood, you know. And so

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<v Speaker 2>like those like nightlife as we know it, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really exist anymore. So what do you think have you

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<v Speaker 2>thought about like the effect of that, Like people aren't DJs,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't out there playing the music they want to play.

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<v Speaker 2>Like people can't organize the creative club nights that they

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<v Speaker 2>might put on. The spaces that people go to, different

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<v Speaker 2>people of different people go to meet to socialize. That

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<v Speaker 2>those those have been like I know people that go

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<v Speaker 2>on zoom and stuff, but like it's different. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>the same if you go to a club night where

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<v Speaker 2>you know that everybody's you know, your your people are

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<v Speaker 2>attending this club night, and yeah, you go there to

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<v Speaker 2>socialize like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the smoking area and all people who meet through that,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean? And like the little

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<v Speaker 1>things and the way that people used to be close,

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<v Speaker 1>even the strangers, like going to a club and like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, having a dance to the stranger and

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<v Speaker 1>being close to the stranger and like that whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just so different now, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's ever going to get back to the

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<v Speaker 1>point of well, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Well definitely will.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry that's very negative, but I think it's just going

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<v Speaker 1>to be weird readjusting to like even like being close

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<v Speaker 1>to someone that you don't know, do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? And like even I don't know wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>go on a date with them, you don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna be so different, like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, zoom dates, Yeah, zoomed.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen these happen that would be so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or like socially distanced park dates and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, screen, isn't it Yeah? Oh my goodness, have.

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<v Speaker 2>You missed being able to go out and dance, have

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<v Speaker 2>a just cut loose exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is, I love going out my own as well,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm a big fan of just like going out

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<v Speaker 1>and meeting strangers and seeing the night takes. Yet and

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<v Speaker 1>like that hasn't happened for ages, So that's been real sad.

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<v Speaker 3>Because yeah, I just feel like there's.

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<v Speaker 1>So many like stories I'll never get to hear or like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean, a little world so

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<v Speaker 1>that you can just know. But hopefully one day we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get back into it.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're talking about the topic of like nightclubs or bars,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean I know bars have reopened, but like

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<v Speaker 2>music venues and club nights and stuff, just I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't see a way of that coming back like this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Seen the socially distanced ones that they tried as well? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the most awkward thing. I think everything in my

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<v Speaker 1>whole life I saw actually sad.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like it was like the up on the

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<v Speaker 2>platforms with the step and the further I saw. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is not to like criticize anybody's efforts to like

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<v Speaker 2>put on this course or anybody that went desperate for

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<v Speaker 2>a night out and then they put on a series

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<v Speaker 2>of kings. Recently, I think it was up in the

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<v Speaker 2>Northeast where there was like a festival stage and then

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<v Speaker 2>there were these platforms where you could go and you'd

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<v Speaker 2>be with your friends or your family that you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your your bubble if you like, and then it was

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<v Speaker 2>just a series of these platforms this field of just

0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:46.000
<v Speaker 2>sort of it looked just it looked wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It just wasn't actually sounds better than one that I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like midway through lockdown, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was I think it was somewhere in like the Netherlands

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<v Speaker 1>or something, and people were sat down individually two meters apart,

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<v Speaker 1>but you weren't allowed to get up or to like whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>So people were just like and the.

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<v Speaker 1>DJ was just like, I don't know, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>really weird thing to look at. I was like, what's happening?

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it makes me nostalgic for a time when

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<v Speaker 2>a stranger would spill their pint over.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, yeah and you go what and they'd be like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh man, I'm about you, Jake.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I never see them again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the effect will be like long

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<v Speaker 2>term on creators, like yeah, nightlife, people that are involved

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<v Speaker 2>in putting on nights and stuff. What are the conversations

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<v Speaker 2>like with for example, the nine eight collective, like within

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<v Speaker 2>if anybody that doesn't know like you're you're you're part

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<v Speaker 2>of a collective of creators and making music and artists

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<v Speaker 2>and visuals. Like people you've worked with consistency for the

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<v Speaker 2>last like four or five years on some of your output,

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<v Speaker 2>and also you contribute to the nine eight collective, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the yeah yeah, So what how are they all doing?

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<v Speaker 2>How are people navigating it? Like? Are they are they

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<v Speaker 2>also finding this period challenge super weird?

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<v Speaker 3>I think?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean I saw them all there recently

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<v Speaker 1>or doing a video shoot for traffic coming up like

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming out saying. But even that was really strange

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<v Speaker 1>because it was just like we used to be very

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<v Speaker 1>consistent and like in meeting up and chatting all the

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<v Speaker 1>time and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Once sock happened, I think everyone just kind of went

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<v Speaker 3>into the bubble and was just a bit like oh,

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<v Speaker 3>like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then to see everyone back in a big room

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<v Speaker 1>together again, it was just like mad, was.

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<v Speaker 2>It nice or was it weird? Or like how do you?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I suppose the key thing is like being

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<v Speaker 2>forced to communicate in a different way.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really nice, but it was also like we

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<v Speaker 1>so much to catch up on and also like everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>got the same stuff to catch you out.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was weird, but it was so lovely.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just kind of that thing as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of like when we were like saying goodbye

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, I was like, jeez, you might see them

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<v Speaker 1>get for like another while.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>That was weird, but sure, yeah, just different times.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we're doing the stuff we're doing now because

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<v Speaker 1>luckily we in the last year I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>or this start of this year, we were making the

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<v Speaker 1>tape together and we spent weeks on end in the

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<v Speaker 1>same room together and then lockdown have and obviously we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't teach other at all, So it was just it

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<v Speaker 1>was nice and almost like really lucky that we had

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<v Speaker 1>that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you want of these people that's kind of hung

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<v Speaker 2>on every detail and like update about what's been going on?

0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Or at the other end of the spectrum, it's easy

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<v Speaker 2>to wake up in the morning, open your phone and

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<v Speaker 2>just feel completely depressed about the state of things, and

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<v Speaker 2>therefore some people would take the opportunity to just distance

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<v Speaker 2>themselves from just like, you know what, I need to

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<v Speaker 2>give myself a break from all this. Where do you

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<v Speaker 2>lie on the spectrum normally?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think for a while it was very

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<v Speaker 1>much like ignoring it all and being like, nope, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to like pretend like this is what I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do and it's a holiday, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a fucking that's a very lucky Breek for me

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<v Speaker 1>to look at it. But I think then you get

0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.080
<v Speaker 1>flashed of reality and you're like, well and you have

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<v Speaker 1>to like like even looking up the long term effects

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<v Speaker 1>of like some people are going to have for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of their lives possibly, and it's just like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, there's a lot of really depressing fast that

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<v Speaker 1>pop up. Sometimes you're like Jesus Christ, you know, I

0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.240
<v Speaker 1>think you can kind of forget and not forget, but

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of sometimes you're like you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>death to every day and you're like, oh my god, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, let's not get sad exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Final question on that, hopefully this might have an optimistic answer,

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<v Speaker 2>it might not. How do you think it's uniquely affected

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<v Speaker 2>people of your generation, people in the early twenties, Like

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<v Speaker 2>obviously the mental health aspect of just going everybody has

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<v Speaker 2>experienced of going through the pandemic, But what about like

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity wise, like personally for you, you've kind of got

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a foundation to work with that, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, post pandemic, you'll be able to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>pick up with and start creating music and you've got

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<v Speaker 2>like an audience. What do you think people sort of

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<v Speaker 2>more genuinely in their early twenties, Like, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think the big effect is going to be? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>like the lack of opportunity for expressing themselves at a

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<v Speaker 2>club night or getting a job?

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<v Speaker 1>It depends obviously in case to case a person and

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<v Speaker 1>how they're like going through it. I think jobs are

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<v Speaker 1>something people have really like been speaking about recently, Like

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<v Speaker 1>even trying to get a pub job.

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<v Speaker 3>Now there's like a huge queue of people trying to

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<v Speaker 3>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still a pub in the family, is your because

0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.600
<v Speaker 2>your parents ran a pub? Yeah, yeah, they still got

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<v Speaker 2>a pub.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got a hostel and they've like they still live

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<v Speaker 1>over a pub. But yeah, positively though, there definitely has

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<v Speaker 1>been like I don't know, I think a room for

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<v Speaker 1>conversation and stuff that maybe hadn't happened before on such

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<v Speaker 1>a wide scale, like when it comes to BLM and

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<v Speaker 1>like just a load of conversation even between like mental

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<v Speaker 1>health and everything else as well. So I think in

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<v Speaker 1>a positive way, like people have had more open conversations

0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, which has been nice. Individually, people

0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.760
<v Speaker 1>are going through it, but on a wider scale, I

0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:47.760
<v Speaker 1>think communication and conversations have been happening that are really important.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's been nice.

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<v Speaker 2>So the first time we met, already mentioned it was

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<v Speaker 2>like three years ago. You were just starting out. You've

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<v Speaker 2>been working on material that ended up being on the

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<v Speaker 2>W what's happened since then? You've released three p's you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned it a minute ago, like you've had a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of reflect recently on just some of the

0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 2>stuff that's been happening. But just taught me through a

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<v Speaker 2>few of the highlights have been since that period. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, at that point, I don't think you'd even

0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:15.679
<v Speaker 2>played a live show. I think the idea of pulling

0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.159
<v Speaker 2>together like a band was still something you were thinking about.

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<v Speaker 2>What have been some of the things that you just

0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.399
<v Speaker 2>have been like wow, fantastic, Like love to do in

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<v Speaker 2>that since.

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<v Speaker 1>Live shows when it comes to mind, there was one

0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.439
<v Speaker 1>we did in Barcelona that was insane and that was

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<v Speaker 1>really really cool to see how many people came out

0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.199
<v Speaker 1>for that. And I think as well, I've been really

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<v Speaker 1>lucky with the people that worked it for my band

0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.760
<v Speaker 1>as well. They're just incredible musicians as well as great friends.

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<v Speaker 1>So the way that that panned out was great, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just been a really really fast and incredible time.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point, we were talking about tracks like Vice City,

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<v Speaker 2>the early material. At that point, did you already have

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<v Speaker 2>were you thinking I want to release almost like a

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<v Speaker 2>trilogy of EPs? You already knew that I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I did it exactly the way I

0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do it, okay, because individually, the way that

0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I was going to do it was there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be different names for the characters in each of them,

0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.520
<v Speaker 1>not the characters, but the people, the person who it

0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.000
<v Speaker 1>was about whatever, And the way visually I wanted to

0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.040
<v Speaker 1>look was slightly different as well. But the way that

0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 1>they came out ended up being a lot more personal,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and a lot more like given Like visually,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it was just a lot more kind

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<v Speaker 1>of myself rather than like someone I was playing it.

0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenties obviously wiped out most people's plans and affected

0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 2>schedules and stuff. Were you at the point where you

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<v Speaker 2>were starting to think about a debut album or what

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<v Speaker 2>was what was the project you were working on when

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<v Speaker 2>things kind of got paused?

0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.720
<v Speaker 1>To be fair, actually I was only doing kind of

0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:43.440
<v Speaker 1>like I've just been working on music and music and

0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:45.119
<v Speaker 1>music to the point now where I'm kind of like,

0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like before I lockdown, I was in

0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.879
<v Speaker 1>studio constantly, and I feel like I've just got this

0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.400
<v Speaker 1>big bucket of tunes, and I think at that point,

0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.480
<v Speaker 1>you kind of the more you add on to it,

0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.719
<v Speaker 1>the more you like put into it. Sometimes it can

0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.879
<v Speaker 1>be great, but also sometimes you like kind of lose

0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:04.240
<v Speaker 1>what you're looking for with it, do you know what

0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, You're like just mass producing something like whereas

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the I feel like the love kind of you kind

0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:12.720
<v Speaker 1>of lose the love out of it. Sometimes having that

0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>break was really important, and now going into it, I'm like,

0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:18.119
<v Speaker 1>I've got these like five tracks that I'm really excited for.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of feel like that wants to be on

0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the album, and then there's three tracks that I want

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<v Speaker 1>to put this year. But I'm still just kind of

0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:25.560
<v Speaker 1>figuring out as a girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, because if you had a

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<v Speaker 2>really firm vision for like how the trilogy of EPs

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<v Speaker 2>went and each dealt with a different character a different period,

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 2>like when it comes to an album, like a traditional

0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.320
<v Speaker 2>album would be like I know, twelve fifteen tracks or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So in your mind, do you think were you to

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<v Speaker 2>create an album you'd like chapterize it, would there be

0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:46.800
<v Speaker 2>like a narrative woven into it. Would it just be

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<v Speaker 2>a collection of songs that you've been working on that

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<v Speaker 2>you really liked, or do you have a vision for

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<v Speaker 2>what you'd want to do with.

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:53.680
<v Speaker 1>So I've got definitely like the idea of the world

0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 1>that I wanted to be in and the way that

0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.760
<v Speaker 1>it looks, in the way that it feels, And I

0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 1>think it's almost just a mature version of myself and

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot more kind of I don't know, allowing myself

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.720
<v Speaker 1>to be less like how.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I heard it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's more kind of just like the darker but also

0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:20.040
<v Speaker 1>sometimes more exciting parts of going into adulthood and the

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 1>experience is and that I mean, it's still being written,

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.879
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like hopefully it'll write itself when I

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.359
<v Speaker 1>know about like I can feel where I want it

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<v Speaker 1>to go.

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<v Speaker 2>With the live aspect of things kind of pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>just paused for the moment. Who knows when that will

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:37.199
<v Speaker 2>come back. Do you feel I know some artists were like,

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to wait, like it doesn't feel like

0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the right moment to be releasing music, and it feels

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 2>like things have sort of moved on from that, and

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 2>it's lots of people just want to put music out

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.359
<v Speaker 2>there now because we're not. We can't wait forever. Maybe

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.159
<v Speaker 2>like creativity just can't stop, Like you can just like

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.919
<v Speaker 2>start releasing music again, even though the live part of

0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.400
<v Speaker 2>things aren't isn't there? That is that how you feel

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<v Speaker 2>about it? Do you think you'll you'll kind of pick

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 2>up and still want to continue releasing music for the

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 2>rest of this year?

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 3>I think so.

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a lot of a lot of tunes

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:08.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting on that I feel like if I don't

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.640
<v Speaker 1>release them, I just like the past, it.

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Then just becomes history otherwise, and it's kind of like

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 2>time's not right for that, like it goes into the

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:18.679
<v Speaker 2>sort of the holding area or it just sits on

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 2>the hard drive forever sort of thing.

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there's so many tracks like even though

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I really that I've made within the time of like

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.680
<v Speaker 1>when we first met, and none of them will lover

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 1>come out on it because like they've had their do

0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:31.120
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, They've had their time even

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 1>past it. So it's like I don't know, but these ones,

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'd love to love to have them

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:37.359
<v Speaker 1>released this year.

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the first conversation we ever had, I sat

0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.639
<v Speaker 2>with kind of amazement as we talked about all the

0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 2>different variety of like jobs and things that you've done.

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 2>And the thing that keeps always popping up in every

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 2>interview or thing that I've seen with you since is

0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 2>like the whole poker dealer thing.

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's weird recently as well.

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Really fascinating. I mean, you did a variety of jobs

0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:00.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of growing up, from working at your parents are

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 2>out in Spain, through to being a poker dealer in London,

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 2>through to you went to beer school, right, did you

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 2>to be a school? Is that when you're in London?

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 3>That was?

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 2>What was that experience? Like? Did you is that like

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 2>an interesting kind of way to follow up on or

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 2>what it was?

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 3>It was cool.

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was just kind of I think I

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>was a bit young, so I was just like, we're

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>just getting pizzed.

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 3>It's cool. But it was just a week. It was

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 3>like an induction.

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Day for what do they call the draft house, so

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:27.879
<v Speaker 1>working for them and they were starting off like this

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 1>new opening up, this new.

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.400
<v Speaker 3>Branch, so they were like, oh, well, we'll just take.

0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 1>You through like wine tasting and beer tasting everything else,

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 1>so you get to learn about it.

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 3>Before you start. It was really cool though, really interesting.

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel like I'm still an Amstoll girl

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:43.400
<v Speaker 1>at the end of it, but it's really like cool

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.440
<v Speaker 1>to note and to know about different beers and stuff.

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:48.439
<v Speaker 2>I suppose one thing that has happened is in a

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 2>bid to kind of take care of myself during lockdown,

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.959
<v Speaker 2>is it got big into low alcohol and alcohol beer. Oh,

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 2>that's so good and it's good. Like the variety is

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 2>pretty decent now, but they're not they're not rible.

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.360
<v Speaker 3>No, it's it's really good Portuguese. You should try.

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's it called it something?

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 3>It's sad grease. Yeah, cool, it's so good for you.

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we should do the big pig no

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 2>alcohol beer merch line.

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 3>That would be sick.

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 2>I reckon it was. I don't, but I'm quite you

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 2>know what, Like it is there's there's a business that

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.720
<v Speaker 2>is growing like during lockdown, Like I think that's like

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 2>more people have yeah, and it's it's big. It's big business.

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Like it seems like all those breweries are suddenly like

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:34.800
<v Speaker 2>rushing to try and create ranges of like no alcohol.

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it used to not be any really like

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:38.919
<v Speaker 1>one or two, but not many, Like it's really difficult

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to go on the bob and find one that has.

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 2>It's still quite difficult. Pubs are still tricky, like they

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 2>don't tend to have much of a off. I think

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>it will become like quite a big thing. A little

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.199
<v Speaker 2>while ago we so with Loud and Quiet and the

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:54.680
<v Speaker 2>magazine that we make. My colleagues, you came to visit

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 2>you and that you're flat down in Peckham at that point,

0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 2>and I think you did a tarot reading for it.

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, are you still doing that?

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:02.960
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I actually I didn't lose them. They just disappeared,

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>and I felt like it was a sign that I

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 1>should stop.

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.200
<v Speaker 3>They were like, stop messing up people's lives, just leave

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:12.679
<v Speaker 3>it alone.

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.680
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, did they get lost in like

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 2>a move or something, and he was like, yeah.

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Well kind of.

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>And then like I thought, I put them in a bag.

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I opened it up and they weren't there, and I

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>was like, but yeah, I'm still really into them and stuff.

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think i'm the right person to be

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 1>probably to be to be using them, right, Yeah, I'm

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>also really like superstitious and quite like scared of spirits

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:35.880
<v Speaker 1>and stuff as well. So I'm just but like maybe

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't be playing with this. But yeah, I can't

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 1>remember what he said for his actually.

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. The other day I saw a video

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 2>there where you'd gone to like Joey Crooks's house. Oh yeah,

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:50.239
<v Speaker 2>cooking dinner YouTube video interview thing and and you did

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 2>joys reading then, and yeah, I mean I'm quite interested

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 2>in it, but did you feel Yeah, why do you

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 2>why do you think you were like attracted to it

0:27:58.320 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>in the first place?

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 1>I think what the thing thing is the reason I

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>got the cards because your man next door we live too,

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 1>he just brought them over and he was like like

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>left the monitor step and we're like what, And his

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>wife came over she was like, yeah, I mean it's

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>good luck. If you give us a penny, then you

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>can just start using mys like sick. So then I

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>looked into it and there was like a lot of that,

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I've always loved like readings and like the

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:21.640
<v Speaker 1>idea of I don't know, with Taro, especially like it's

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 1>always there's always a resolve. It's never a bad thing.

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>It's either like a learning curve or like a positive thing,

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean. I've always liked the

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 1>idea that like people can understand each other and there's

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 1>something maybe we don't. I don't know, we can be

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>vulnerable enough to open up that way. I think as well.

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I think people do when it's like things like that. So,

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think I'm meant to do it. So

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you're gonna do it anymore.

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Can you do your own tart reading? Because I've never

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>done it? So could you? Was it always in conversation

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 2>with somebody else or was it something you could.

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Just know you could do for yourself as well?

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>But you're not supposed to do it more than like

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>once every three months and then for yourself or something

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:56.479
<v Speaker 1>like that, just because you could drive yourself mad.

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, right, just end up with all these

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>different pathways.

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 3>I supposed to be going.

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, did you do readings with because you were like

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 2>big into it for a while.

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did readings for someone ie ate Leban and

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Nyana for them?

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Who else? Do I do it for my housemates? My manager?

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 1>That was really weird that was like he got really

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>freaked out and he was like, oh, I don't know,

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:25.479
<v Speaker 1>and he was like, actually, I wish you didn't do that.

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 3>That's really like.

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Quite I really hope like prosperity came out of that way.

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 2>All of our fortunes are based on this.

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna make.

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny, but yeah, some of them really really

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>hit hard and really hit like really hit home with

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people. I feel like I do think

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>that like energy did definitely a thing, and I think

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I think there's definitely stuff that we can't control with

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:54.360
<v Speaker 1>like how things pan out and high powers and stuff

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 1>like that. But yeah, that was an intense one with him.

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Who else I do Y Yeah, kind of a bad

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 1>because when it was Stu and your man that came

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 1>with him, Jesus I said, I think I just felt

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>so bad after I think Tom's I was like, oh

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>my god, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I can just imagine you, like at a festival, going

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<v Speaker 2>around like the backstage area doing it with like different eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>freaking people out.

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<v Speaker 1>But originally there was actually an I did to do

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast for people, I'm like to do that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually, actually, you know what I'm asking a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone asks to like come onto that and suddenly like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about all your trauma, that would be horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I didn't end up doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>In the end. In the last three years, like the

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<v Speaker 2>journey for you is kind of built and built, and

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<v Speaker 2>like you've discovered kind of new fans and different artists

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<v Speaker 2>and you know you've been asked before, like Billie Eilish

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<v Speaker 2>has said that she's a fan of your work or

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed a couple of tracks. Yeah, how was that felt

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<v Speaker 2>finding people already with large audiences discovering your stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess kind of probably sending some new fans in

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<v Speaker 2>your direction as it felt like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's the thing the reach that you

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<v Speaker 1>forget about how far music can get to and how

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<v Speaker 1>many people are kind of reaches and it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a bit of reality check where you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's mad that I made this, And especially with things

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<v Speaker 1>like my old tunes, where I'm like, oh, literally made

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<v Speaker 1>this in Lloyd's bedroom and suddenly like someone on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the planet, I don't know, with like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff going on, like it's just bumping

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<v Speaker 1>it and you're like, whoa, how did that happen?

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's been really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And then with the audience and stuff, it's grown I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot in the last couple of years, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely there's definitely a lot to be to be

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<v Speaker 1>said for people at that sharing it and everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been really cool, really grateful for him.

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<v Speaker 2>And how do you feel about like kind of nurturing

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<v Speaker 2>that as in you mentioned right at the top, doing

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<v Speaker 2>things like the bedtime stories and the Spanish lessons during lockdown,

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<v Speaker 2>Like do you see like having a fan base, a

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<v Speaker 2>growing fan base is something you need to like strengthen

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<v Speaker 2>the bond and constantly have like an open dialogue like

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<v Speaker 2>what's your relationship like to having a fan base?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, sometimes it's very like you pick your moments

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<v Speaker 1>where you're like, oh, maybe do you know what come

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<v Speaker 1>on in and like whatever else, Like even there was

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<v Speaker 1>some living over here, just little things of like what

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<v Speaker 1>we do in our day in quarantine or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 1>think quarantine has definitely been something where you're you end

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<v Speaker 1>up with that kind of need for social interaction probably,

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<v Speaker 1>but with me it was like, oh, well this is

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm doing, Maybe I should just show them and like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it feels a bit good, like to to

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<v Speaker 1>know the people are are watching.

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<v Speaker 3>In case anything happens.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but it was grand. There was just like showing

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<v Speaker 1>people around the house and.

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<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, like some days you like having fun with

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<v Speaker 2>it and some days it's like no, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not yeah yeah, or some days I want to just

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<v Speaker 3>close it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also feel like I can be quite impulsive

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<v Speaker 1>with it sometimes where I'm just like end up I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. There's a couple times where I end up

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<v Speaker 1>getting drunk and I was just like, instead of drunk

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<v Speaker 1>calling friends, I just like drunk, go on like Instagram Live,

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<v Speaker 1>start talking to people, and I was like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not healthy, you know what I mean? So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's just trying to work out.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on board. Stacy from Australia, how are you, babe?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Do you want to see look at my like I'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Just see what's in the fridge?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nothing, your love life, Like it's just you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think there's definitely a need to.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the other podcast idea. If you don't do like

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<v Speaker 2>tarot readings, it could be that drunk calling Big Pig.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Jesus Christ, that'd be awful, not alcoholic bears and

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<v Speaker 1>drunk on our coolo bears.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's been interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing, like I was reading back, like when when

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<v Speaker 2>we reading back some of the stuff we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>when when we first met, and there was something that

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<v Speaker 2>jumped out to me, like a quote something you said

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<v Speaker 2>to me that I thought it was really interesting that said,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like with every job that I do, it's

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<v Speaker 2>important to learn something new. And if you're not learning

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<v Speaker 2>something new, then you're not going to feel happy about

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<v Speaker 2>what you do. So I wanted to kind of finish

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<v Speaker 2>by asking you, what do you think the key things

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<v Speaker 2>you've learned from being like a full time musician the

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<v Speaker 2>last couple of years, Like, what are the key things

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<v Speaker 2>from being now that your job is a musician? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what have you learned from that new job?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've learned a lot about what I hold

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<v Speaker 1>dear and what I hope close just from like the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of writing that I do now. It's just let

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<v Speaker 1>me kind of understand myself so much more, and like

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<v Speaker 1>the way that I deal with relationships and everything else,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like self there, Well, that's not true, don't

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<v Speaker 1>do that, because that's not a real thing self therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not a thing, but yeah, it is really therapeutic.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what else it taught me. It's taught me

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<v Speaker 1>about just like people I hold dear and.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I went through a lot of changes with

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<v Speaker 1>the last two or three years, I don't know, in

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<v Speaker 1>moving around and fallout and all that, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I feel like it's really taught me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Music has genuinely been such a savior for me in

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<v Speaker 1>so many ways, even with the people that I've met

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<v Speaker 1>through it when it comes to like Eva Love and

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<v Speaker 1>Lloyd and nine eight, and I don't know, it's that

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I'm just so lucky to have where if

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<v Speaker 1>anything ever happens, we've just got each other. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>that bond. It's just unbreakable. So it's just I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I owe a lot to it. As for the musical

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<v Speaker 1>side of stuff, yeah, it's been cool. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, you know, you're not always gonna get it right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, You're not always gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>out with something that you I used to be very

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<v Speaker 1>picky when I used to write, and I used to

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<v Speaker 1>be like if this isn't written in twenty minutes, then

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not a thing where it's like now, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm much more patient with it and I

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<v Speaker 1>give myself time. And sometimes you're not gonna have it

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<v Speaker 1>all worked out, and you got to you got to

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<v Speaker 1>come back to it, You've got to, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>just give yourself a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, life's too short, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Be patient with yourself. And the power of friendship through

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<v Speaker 2>music has been a saving grace.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea literally that

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, good Night,