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Speaker 1: Clean your Gun, Janiorbo where the Uncollective show calling Hunters

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Speaker 1: new and all uncollective show with thanks or fancs that

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Speaker 1: opinions are subjective. You're listening to the whole collecting. Hey, everybody, welcome,

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Speaker 1: it's another episode of The Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: Episode one coming to you. It's almost Turkey season. We

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Speaker 1: are excited, Phil, Are you excited? Yes, I'm excited. We

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Speaker 1: just got This is a sneak peek for the episode.

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Speaker 1: We just got done talking to Tony Peterson and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Eric Hall, My my, my numbers getting higher.

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Speaker 1: It's getting high, eric um. Yes, we we just got

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Speaker 1: finished going through some of the ins and outs of

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Speaker 1: Turkey hunting with Tony Peterson. Tony is a writer and

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Speaker 1: a expert in all things really all things hunting, bird dogs,

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Speaker 1: white tails, turkeys. He is a currently a new member

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Speaker 1: of the Mediator team in a lot of ways, and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be hearing from him in a lot of

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Speaker 1: specifically white tail ways coming up real soon on our platform.

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Speaker 1: So we wanted to have him on we We can't

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Speaker 1: get into specifics about exactly what he's gonna be doing,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of cool things in the in the books,

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Speaker 1: and he's one of the best public land hunters in

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Speaker 1: public land turkey hunters out there, so we had him on.

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Speaker 1: We're excited about that as we prepare Phil for your

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Speaker 1: first hunt. We're only about a month away. Do you

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Speaker 1: have anything. We talked about this at length with Tony,

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Speaker 1: but like, you know, you just gotta give the people

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Speaker 1: have you out there for your first You feel like

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna feel relieved? Are you gonna be like,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's go? That was great? Do you do?

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Speaker 1: You just take people through what your emotions might be

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Speaker 1: with your first turkey only a month away? Do we're

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Speaker 1: waiting for this? We've been waiting for this for for

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Speaker 1: literally a year probably, and now we're coming up on

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Speaker 1: we've been through vlarious geist, We've we've eaten veggie burgers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've done a lot since this time when

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Speaker 1: we we got Chuck Norris and David hasse off to

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Speaker 1: convince you. Yeah, man, my my good friends were actually

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Speaker 1: getting dinner tomorrow. Um, I can't, I can't wait. I'm

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Speaker 1: for that. UM. One thing, Hey, can I do a

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Speaker 1: couple of corrections real quick? Phil, plea you mind? UM.

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Speaker 1: you gotta tell us, like, what are your turkey plans

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00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: for this year? Man? I have a new puppy come

427
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: in this spring, so I kind of I kind of

428
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: reined in my travel a little bit. But I've got

429
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: this is this is a perfect podcast for me because

430
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: I am actively in the process of getting my nine

431
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: year old girls ready for their their second Turkey season.

432
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: And so we are shooting the four ten and I

433
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: hope we just we just did one session. You know,

434
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: they shot last year and they both killed birds. But

435
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: they were really really scared of the shotgun this year

436
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know why. And so we

437
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: we started with a four tent or sorry, we started

438
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: with a twenty two, and then to get them to

439
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: bump up to the four tent, they were like real

440
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: cag So long story short, it ended up costing me

441
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: forty bucks and two twinkies, but I got them shooting it. Phil.

442
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: Do you like twinkies? Oh? I love a twinkie? All right? Yeah.

443
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: That was like those oily chemicals, just chewing, chewing in

444
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: between the sponge cake and that frosting. Like it's great,

445
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: this could be twenty years old, it could be fifty.

446
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: Nobody knows. It doesn't matter. It doesn't really matter. Yeah,

447
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: they don't expire. So my my focus right now in

448
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: fact we were out yesterday putting up some blinds is

449
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: get them on birds, and then I'll do my own

450
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: Minnesota thing and then skip across the border and hunt Wisconsin.

451
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: And then I drew in Iowa tag. So I'm sticking

452
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: close to home, but I'm gonna get a few states

453
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: in and and bow hunts some birds and gun hunts

454
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: some birds. Sweet man. Yeah, I mean it's it's uh,

455
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm there. I'm you know. My son is four, My

456
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: engineers in his early thirties, and I gotta teach both

457
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: of them kind of. That's we went out. My son

458
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: I went out in similar interests as well, the two

459
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: of us. They both played video games, dinosaurs, um. But

460
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: my son and I went out, and I just, I mean,

461
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: he's never I don't think he's he's never hunted with

462
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: We've done a ton of fishing, ice fishing, um across

463
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: the board, and so he understands hunting like when we

464
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: go out. We talked about it, but I you know,

465
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: being a four year old, I just haven't taken him

466
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: with me yet. But I feel like this is the

467
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: year that I'm gonna take him with me and we

468
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: to kind of preface all of it. For him. I

469
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: took him out. I knew there were some turkeys on

470
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: some local public land. I took him out a couple

471
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and I said, I showed him a turkey.

472
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: There's a turkey. So interesting. Um described to him you

473
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: know winter flocks, what they do. And then we just

474
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: took an old cottonwood tree, busted it up that had

475
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: fallen down, busted up and made a little lind Uh.

476
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: As I come to find out, it's called an Arkansas blind,

477
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: but where I came from more like a Maryland blind. Uh.

478
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: You just make you just take some sticks and make

479
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: a hideout. And so he loved that. Man, it's just

480
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: like building a fort in the woods of your dad.

481
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: Is a is a is a fun thing to have.

482
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Did you ever do anything like that, Tony where you

483
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: just kind of started him off with like general interest

484
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: in the outdoors? Oh big time, man. I was thinking,

485
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, when you said he was four, I think

486
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: my girls first sat with me when I was five

487
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: or when they were five, and they got to watch

488
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: me shoot a couple of turkeys. And then you know,

489
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: last year actually hunt. But I also brought him out

490
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: and we did some you know, squirrel hunting and you know,

491
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: put your back to a tree kind of stuff and

492
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: just or even duck hunting to get him in the blind.

493
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: And so it was just a matter of like that

494
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: soft exposure, like get him into the fun stuff. And

495
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't you know how kids are, man, it doesn't

496
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: take them long to find cool stuff out there and

497
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: and dig it as long as you keep them going,

498
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, that's right. Yeah, And so yeah, we've done

499
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: a lot of We've done a lot of bird watching, like,

500
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: we've done a lot of animal identification, went to Yellowstone

501
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: over the weekend. I'm I'm telling him that's a big

502
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: horn sheet, this is a ram, this is a you.

503
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: So that's that's where I'm at right now. But this

504
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: year I do want to get him into Turkey blind.

505
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: Call one in, put the muffs on, Daddy's gonna Dad's

506
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: gonna shoot in the face, and uh, this is what

507
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, this is what it's like, and just kind

508
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: of gauge his reaction because you just don't really know,

509
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: right you have, there's no idea, um how they're going

510
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: to react. How many twinkies are gonna have to buy?

511
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna need snacks, I promise you that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

512
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: Ice fishing was basically just my son with a giant

513
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: bag of trail mix playing find the M and m's

514
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: so sorry. That was the entire deal. We did catch

515
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: a couple of perch, but beyond that, he was just like,

516
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: what's the next snack that I'm gonna eat? Dad? Please?

517
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: Please please? So that's yeah, That's where I'm at this year.

518
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: But I going to Texas. We have a four state

519
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: turkey tour. I'm sure you've probably hunted a lot of

520
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: this area we're going. We're doing eastern Montana, UM and

521
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: then the Black Hills of Wyoming and South Dakota, and

522
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: then also the pine piney bridges of Nebraska. I've been.

523
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: I've been through many of those places, buddy. I know

524
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: you have, uh drip me some way points. I could

525
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: send you a few spots, but it's you know, those uh,

526
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: that whole vein of of habitat that you're talking about

527
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: from eastern Montana down. It's just so awesome. I mean,

528
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: it's it's it's so easy to understand when you get

529
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: out there why it's such a destination. Whether you know

530
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: whether you're in South Dakota or Wyoming or you skipped

531
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: down in Nebraska. It's just awesome, and the birds are

532
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: so beautiful, and the country is just it's like a weird,

533
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: not too strenuous western hunt. Yes, it is. Yeah, and

534
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: there and especially in the Black Hills. Um, nobody go

535
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: there obviously, especially not in April of this ship. Yeah,

536
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: we've already we talked. We've got a we've got a

537
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: hot topic where when it comes to other people in

538
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: the woods at Mediator right now. M it's a bit

539
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: of a that's a bit of a firestorm. So all seriousness,

540
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: You're welcome wherever I go. Um, But I do think

541
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: that when when you hunt that country, you realize, man,

542
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: that it's such you have like big blocks of timber,

543
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: but big open ridges, especially in that the pine ridge

544
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: there in Nebraska. Um, it's such varied country. You know,

545
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: I kill it. We killed a doe up there in

546
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: the last two Decembers ago and kind of an agg

547
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: field tucked in some public ground that was right by

548
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,239
Speaker 1: where a buddy of mine was texting me that he

549
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: was watching a bighorn ram. Uh. And they're a hunter

550
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: that had the Nebraska tag for the ram was in

551
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: there stalking it and he was watching that. I'm like, dude,

552
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in an agg field maybe a mile away

553
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: from you watching white tailed those, which which I guess

554
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: probably not ites kind of the kind of country that

555
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: you're in and the kind of opportunities that are in there.

556
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, we're doing that. You can follow us

557
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: at first Light. We're doing a turkey tour. We're calling

558
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: it like the Trek for Turks. We're gonna raise through

559
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: like a telethon for n w TF. A lot of

560
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: details to come for that with our boys at first Light,

561
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: but we're gonna have gonna be out there with Kevin

562
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: Harlander for Van Fawson, bunch of people from from First

563
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: Light and we're gonna be trying to kill some turkeys

564
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: and raise some money for NWTF and highlights some essential

565
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: projects out that part of the world. Uh, in the

566
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: western part of our United States because uh, you know,

567
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: n w TF, this is probably a whole another conversation

568
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: with n WTF has without a banquet season or with

569
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: a limited banquet season this year. Um, for folks that

570
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: don't know, du T F R m EF, A lot

571
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: of these d U ducks unlimited all a lot of

572
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 1: these conservation organizations run on banquet I guess revenue as

573
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: you would call it, um membership, don't membership, drives, auctions,

574
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: all the things that happened in any particular banquet, um,

575
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: those things aren't happening at all or very many of

576
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: them this year. So that's we're going to try to

577
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: help uh NWTF replace a lot of loss that they'll

578
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: have there and have had since the pandemic is kicked

579
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: off here obviously a year ago. Over a year ago.

580
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: That's a good cause, man, it is, it is. But now, Phil,

581
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: we gotta get we gotta get to this, um Phil.

582
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: Phil is telling me beforehand that he didn't really have

583
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: a whole lot of questions. Is that right, Phil, You

584
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: don't have like a whole lot of burning turkey questions? Well,

585
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: that's true. It's just it's it's tough when I have

586
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: not fired a shotgun and I've never actually been out

587
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: in the field and kind of even gotten the one

588
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: oh one basics about this stuff. Obviously, I've been a

589
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: part of enough Meat Eater podcasts and THHD podcast where

590
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: there was a lot of turkey talk and discussions about

591
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: their behavior and how finicky and unpredictable it is. And

592
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, but um, I still

593
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: I still don't really know the the absolute like foundational

594
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: stuff to get started with turkey hunting. Yeah, well that's

595
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: good as all. You'll be a proxy for all our

596
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: audience here, people that are emergent hunters or new hunters,

597
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: and they want to learn because quite honestly, um, I

598
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: don't know if you know, we're talking about how we

599
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: have our kids in this, but it's good even for

600
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: season hunters to take a few steps back and kind

601
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: of explain it from the beginning. UM. I think it's

602
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: a helpful exercise for both mentor mentee things like that

603
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: that nature. Um, what do you think? What do you think?

604
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: Tony Oh Man, I've been I've been staying for a

605
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: few years. You know. I grew up shotgun hunting turkey,

606
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: so it was just a run and gun festival. And

607
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: then I got into the bow hunting thing and realize

608
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: how different my interactions with turkeys were and just how

609
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: different the experience was. And I was like, if you

610
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: really want to get well rounded, do both of these things.

611
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: And then I started taking my little girls and I'm like, man,

612
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: if you really want to get well rounded, take somebody

613
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: who doesn't know what they're doing because you you have

614
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: such different considerations, and you just realize how much you

615
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: take for granted as far as being able to call

616
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: or kind of kind of just understanding the layout of

617
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: some of your decoy spreads and things like that, all

618
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: the way down to just movement, and so taking taking

619
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: somebody new is really it really forces you to consider

620
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: every set up and every you know, like every potential

621
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: mistake that's going to be made, because a bunch of

622
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: them will be made. Yeah, yeah, and that's it. Um,

623
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: the things that I think, like, get out of the truck,

624
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: don't slam the door, all the things, you know, why

625
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: does the turkey roost? Where do they generally roost? You know?

626
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: When do they fly down? Why do they fly down?

627
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: When they do? When they hit the ground, what are

628
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: they thinking about? Like all those things we should We'll

629
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: get into all that here And that's kind of how

630
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: I want to approach this. But but those are questions that, uh,

631
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: if it's just me and U, Tony, you're just me

632
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: by myself, I just those questions don't even pop in

633
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: my head. I just it's kind of a you get

634
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: to be where it's a reflex a bit um and

635
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: you're thinking about you're really thinking about kind of the minutia,

636
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: the intricate points, just like anything else. When you've done

637
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: it all, you get to know that like these are

638
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: the key moments where success and failure occur, like these,

639
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta be where this bird wants to be,

640
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: or I gotta shut up, or I gotta talk more. Um,

641
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: I gotta you know, back off the rooster. I gotta

642
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: charge in there and get under the damn tree. These

643
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: are the things that you know, generally start to think

644
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: about once you've done it in a while. But when

645
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: you haven't done that, you gotta pull it back and

646
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: you know, go back to the fundamentals and do those

647
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: things right, Yeah, and be able to discuss them as well. Um,

648
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: so what do we start? Where do we start here? Tony? So?

649
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: I would say for Phil, you know, the one, the

650
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: one great opportunity you know you kind of mentioned this

651
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: with a gun you're setting him up with is that gun.

652
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: If he gets comfortable with it, that part is kind

653
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: of taken care of, Like the the scary part of

654
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: not being able to hit him or not knowing if

655
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: you're going to hit him or get him. When you

656
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: see what a good turkey gun is capable of, it's

657
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: it's like a really nice confidence booster. So you kind

658
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: of you kind of like work backwards from that, right, Like, Okay, now,

659
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: I know if I get that bird within you know,

660
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: thirty forty yards or whatever wherever you want him at

661
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: least you know, if you get that red dot on

662
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: his skull, he's toast. You know. That's like that's like

663
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: a nice place to start. So you can actually get

664
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: a lot of turkey confidence just at the range, especially

665
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: if you have somebody else calling for you and doing

666
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: most of the heavy lifting. But I think, like I

667
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: think the mistakes that newbies make and everybody does this,

668
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: this is how you learn. It is like that red zone.

669
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: Like you know, they get to maybe within a hundred

670
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: yards or seventy five yards and they're just you know,

671
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: they're not as prone to running in like crazy that

672
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: you see a lot on the outdoor shows and stuff.

673
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: A lot of the birds that you guys are probably

674
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna be hunting are not gonna be like sprinting in suicidal.

675
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: Even if you're dealing with two year olds and there's

676
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: like this that that time frame between eighty yards and

677
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: thirty five. That matters so much. And that's when like,

678
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: that's when one movement or one thing that's just a

679
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: little off changes the whole dynamic and turns it into

680
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: panic mode. So I think, like, really just paying attention

681
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: if you've got one you know that you think is

682
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: getting kind of within that range, because that's when they

683
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: surprise you and you screw everything up. And if you

684
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: if you make that move and something goes wrong or

685
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: they just they their demeanor changes a little bit, then

686
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: the panic starts creeping in and the whole the wheels

687
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: start falling off bad. Yeah, there's there's so many times

688
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: where you got a bird that's goblin, you're all excited,

689
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: you're getting ready, and then he shuts up and you

690
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: ten minutes goes by. You relax, if you let your

691
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: guard down, then you hear that's spitting the drum and

692
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: right behind your head you're like, oh, that's what he did,

693
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: didn't he? I can't. I can't tell how many times

694
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: I've had that happen. Oh man, Yeah, and you just can't.

695
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: It's it's never you think, oh, they're gonna come right

696
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: down this two track, right into our lap and they

697
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: come from the exact opposite direction. I mean, I'll never forget.

698
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: I took my wife out probably ten years ago, and

699
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: we set up in the corner of this field and

700
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: she was in front of me and I was behind

701
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 1: calling just because I gred, you know, they're gonna pop

702
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: out in the field. And pretty soon I heard a

703
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: bird coming straight behind us, and she just looked around

704
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: the tree like, you know, this big whack a mole

705
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: popping out there. And of course that bird ran away,

706
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, honey, what are you doing? And

707
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: She's like, I just didn't expect a turkey to come

708
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: from there. And I'm like, well, you know, like I

709
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: don't know what to say to you, like they could.

710
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: We're in the woods. The didn't come from anywhere. But

711
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: it's easy, easy mistakes to make. Yeah, there are, so

712
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: you gotta kind of have that understanding, um that they

713
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: I guess let's run through the turkey senses for Phil,

714
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: because I've obviously different types of hunters. You're thinking of

715
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: different types of things and at different times times of

716
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: the year. If we're hunting fall turkeys, would be a

717
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: whole different conversation obviously. Um. Yeah, for sure, you know

718
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: they obviously they're amazing at you know, location and what

719
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: they hear. I mean, they know where you are. You

720
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: don't want to make you don't want to make the

721
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: wrong noises, and you know they see so well, but

722
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: they have this blind spot when it comes to really

723
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: good decoys if you let the situation unfold, you know,

724
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: so if you the problem is you move at the

725
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: wrong time when they're not fully bought into that decoy trance,

726
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: but their eyesight and they learned to like they're kind

727
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: of like an antelope. They don't expect you to be

728
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: super close to them, so sometimes they do really dumb

729
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: stuff when you get inside their guard because they're so

730
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: confident in their eyesight. Turkeys are like that, and when

731
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: they buy into that decoy spread, it's like amazing what

732
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: you can get away with. I mean, I'll never forget.

733
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: I took a one of my wife's relatives quite a

734
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: few years ago in his first turkey hunt, and I

735
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: called in three birds. They came into the decoys and

736
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: he shot one, and the whole morning I've been like,

737
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: we can't move, we can't do this, blah blah blah,

738
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: and then he kills this bird and the other one

739
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: stuck around and let me shoot a thousand photos of

740
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: it and I had to get out of the blind

741
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: and scared away. And it's like just when they get

742
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: bought into that, there's just something about it. You know.

743
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: If if they're a little little wiggy coming in, it

744
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: might be a different story. But a lot of times

745
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: the best thing is just to really understand that if

746
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: you let it unfold and he he sits there at

747
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: fort yards and he looks at it, and you'll see

748
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: him buy into it, just like a white tail with

749
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: a decoy. And when they do, they're toast like you can.

750
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: You can get away with a lot more So, it's

751
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: like they're they know their senses are so top notch.

752
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: But once they get past that and they go, well,

753
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: this is a safe thing. And there here's this jake,

754
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: I want to kick his ass or here's his hand.

755
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: It's just the whole dynamic changes. Yeah, that you're right

756
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: about that, And that's there's so many different I mean,

757
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: you get from hunt to hunt to hunt to hunt,

758
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: especially where we are. I've had that. I've took a

759
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: guy out one time, uh in Texas who was he

760
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: worked at Yet He he he was an engineer, nice guy,

761
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 1: similar to you. Phil had at similar age I think

762
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: I had already had kids, was kind of an emergent

763
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: hunter himself and had never shot a shotgun, or maybe

764
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: only once or twice. Um, and we he was a

765
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: little bit worried about the shotgun he was. He was

766
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: a little bit nervous about almost everything that happened on

767
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: the hunt. I ended up calling three times, three giant

768
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: toms by the way off this little water tank as

769
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: they call in Texas, off the off the kind of

770
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: the lip of this tank down across the field. We

771
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: weren't really even in any cover. Uh. We sat down

772
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: in like a mesquite bush that was out in the

773
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: middle of a wide open field. It was the worst

774
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: cover I've ever seen. And I don't even think I

775
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: got the decoy out before. I think I hit the

776
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: call one time just to see if they would gobble,

777
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: because they were good ways away. And then they just

778
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: started running at us, and they did full on suicide

779
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: squad and they and so I just said, get ready,

780
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: here they come. And they ran into about twenty yards

781
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: and normally if you had a decoy there, they'd have

782
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: been on that decoy. They'd hopped on that jake or

783
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: they'd have been postun for that hen but they were

784
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: just charging at the sound, and so he got nervous.

785
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: They got nervous. He shoots kills two of them with

786
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: one shot. The third one goes like ten yards out

787
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: comes back. He shoots and kills that one too. So

788
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: no pre sure feel. But that guy I took him

789
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: on his first time he shot three turkeys. He had

790
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: no idea that that was a thing that would was

791
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: like a once in a lifetime if ever, have you

792
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: ever shot three turkeys on with two shots? I will

793
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: say I took somebody out who shot three with one

794
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: shot one time in the fall. Yes, which was which

795
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: was not a good thing, just was not. I was

796
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: not cheering in this decision too that in this case

797
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: it was a good thing. He had four tags, he

798
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: feeled three of them. Um but yeah, I mean that's

799
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: let's say, it's you just never know and and it's

800
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: you got to be able to read the read the turkey.

801
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: You know what's he doing, how's he it's it's a

802
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: conversation that you're having. Um, but let's take a few

803
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: steps back, like we're gonna fil I'm not I won't

804
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: get into some sixs and where we're gonna go. But

805
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna be in Montana, and we're gonna be likely

806
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: in some you know, river corridor, Riparian zone stuff where

807
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: turkeys are roosting and big cotton would trees flying down

808
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: and pitching towards agg. Normally they had to run. They

809
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: got to get through the timber to get to the agg.

810
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: It's generally probably where we're gonna be. I would think

811
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: a lot of options though, we can go a lot

812
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: of places. But um, let's start like in the truck, Tony.

813
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: Like I said, you gotta think about like when you

814
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: get out of the truck, what are we You know,

815
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: it's four in the morning, you're tired, your brain is

816
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: probably not working as well as it ought to. But

817
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: then you get out of the truck and you're headed

818
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: over to a roost tree. Like the first thing you

819
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: think of is what gun safety? Quiet? Well, yeah, all

820
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: of the above. You know, you take somebody out new

821
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: you're always thinking gun safety. But to me, I mean

822
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: it kind of depends on is this a is this

823
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: a true running gun situation where you're waiting for a

824
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: gobble and you're gonna you know, you don't know which

825
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: tree you're gonna put your back to, or you kind

826
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: of got an idea like that. Okay, they like to

827
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: fly down here, and we're gonna set up here and

828
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: they you know, we might call them past I mean,

829
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: I like to. I've taken new turkey hunters on that

830
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: running gun mission, but they've always been people who are

831
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: pretty competent with hunting other stuff, and I get a

832
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: little nervous about that with somebody who's a true nubie

833
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: in one of those dynamic situations where you know, you

834
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: might get pinned down on a marginal cover, like you said,

835
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: or you just don't really You've left a lot up

836
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: to just the whims of nature, you know. Yeah, I think, Um,

837
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I imagine the hunt that I'm hoping

838
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: that we'll get to do Phil It was is basically,

839
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: we'll have the birds roosted me and you can even

840
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: drive hopefully it's a quick drive over there, roost these

841
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: turkeys essentially, which just means watch what truth they fly

842
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: up in uh market and then decide, you know, what,

843
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: what are their travel corridors, like where do they want

844
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: to go? Where do they want to be when they

845
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: fly down? And then we'll go. We'll get in there

846
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: early in the morning and we'll get set up, put

847
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: some decoys out to your point, uh tone any and

848
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: again like if we're going to run and gun, I'll

849
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: carry the shotgun just that, you know, feel so you

850
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: can be comfortable that. Um, you don't have to worry

851
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: about that when we're moving around the woods where we

852
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: have to crawl if we've got to, you know, scooting

853
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: on our ass, if you know, whatever we gotta do.

854
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: I would generally do that with most new hunters anyway. Um,

855
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: but to your point, Tony, it just makes more sense.

856
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: Want to learn learn the birds, to just be stable,

857
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: have a good decoy set and and get to experience

858
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: the turkey in kind of a less frantic way, you know,

859
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: in a more direct way. Will this be later in

860
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: the seas. This won't be right on the open or

861
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: will it ben No, it'll be the first week of May.

862
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: But really here I don't have a whole lot of

863
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: mine is like second or third season in Montana. I

864
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of experience. But in my

865
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: limited experience, you know that first week and make is

866
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: is pretty good depending on the weather. Do do you

867
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: think they'll be on like a better grasshopp or kind

868
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: of bug pattern by then. That would be my guess, Yeah, yeah,

869
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: my hope. Yeah, so that'll be that'll probably work in

870
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: your favor a little bit. They'll be spread out a

871
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: little bit more. You might get a really you might

872
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: get some really good midday movement then too. Yeah, yeah,

873
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: so I think. I mean, if we're let's just say,

874
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: the scenario is that we're parking. You know, I'm trying

875
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: to picture one of our scenarios here. We're parking roughly

876
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: a thousand yards from the roost tree, uh, and we're

877
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: hitting the trailhead and we're getting into the woods and

878
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: we're setting up. We've got our cover already decided. We

879
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: gotta get our decoy set up. Take us through that, Tony.

880
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean, because right now it's that this is this.

881
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: I have about six or seven options for what Phil

882
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: and I can do. When I was trying to give

883
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: him a good idea of and then we can talk

884
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: about running gun a little bit too. How geeky do

885
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: you want to get Let's get real, how keeky do

886
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: you want us to get? Phil? Oh, I have any questions?

887
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: Not not yet, but I do encourage as much geekiness

888
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: as possible. So all right, well, if if that's me,

889
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: if I'm you Ben in that situation, I'm I'm trying,

890
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: you know. The one the one thing I love about

891
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: turkeys that we were starting to give them more credit

892
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: for but we're still not there, is is how pattern

893
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: able they are, even when it seems like it's totally

894
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: random and they're just cruising across the countryside. And so

895
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: any of those times where you can get out there

896
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: and watch them get off that roost and pay attention

897
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: to where where are the hot spots? Like where where

898
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: are these places they show up? You know, and and

899
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: trail cameras are freaking phenomenal for this in some situations too.

900
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: But just anytime you can you can get ahead of

901
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: the game a little bit and go, I've got like

902
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: a B and C and they're all there's there's birds

903
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: going through their multiple times a day, or they're they're

904
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: within hearing range easy of these spots multiple times a

905
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: day that that time of the season when you get

906
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: on that, you know, the hands up being nest in

907
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: a little bit and they'll be on that just random

908
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: bug pattern. I love that, Like, yeah, I don't know

909
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: ten o'clock in the morning time frame, and because it's

910
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: getting late enough in the season, I would probably still

911
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: use a like a quarter strut jake and a and

912
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: a lay down hen and then maybe one other hen.

913
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: But that that's the time of the season when I

914
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: start pouring back a little bit on my the amount

915
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: of decoys. When I start out in the early season,

916
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: like when I have my little girls out, we'll have

917
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: a pilot decoys out. I want to look like a

918
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: whole little flock. And as you see that those the

919
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 1: spring really take hold you kinda. I I do better

920
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: when I when I pair back and pair back more,

921
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: and by the end of May, I'm down to one

922
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: single hand. But that time frame will be perfect for like,

923
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: identify a couple of those spots that you know you

924
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: have good you know, some kind of good tree to

925
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: set up on or deadfall or something, and then you know,

926
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: get get a couple of decoys out there in the

927
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: right spot and give it, give it some time, and

928
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: each one of those you know, not not necessarily you know,

929
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: running after the next gobble every time, but at that

930
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: time here is good for giving given each spot, you know,

931
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: maybe two hours or something like that. Yeah, that's exactly,

932
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: That's exactly how I run it at that time of year. Um.

933
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: I always I start by looking there's generally, I guess Phil,

934
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: there's two ways you can look at this. Let's say

935
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: we were hitting a brand new piece of country right

936
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: and we didn't know if there were turkeys there or

937
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: where they might be. We're gonna try to locate birds

938
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: right in the morning. We're gonna use al hooter, you know,

939
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: in the day, we're gonna use you know, really loud yelps,

940
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: and then for locating and then crow calls if we

941
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: want to shot coble the turkey. But um, in many

942
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: of the cases that we're gonna be trying, I'll know

943
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: about where their turkeys are, about where they want to go,

944
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: and again again we will have found the path of

945
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: least resistance UM earlier in the season. And understand, like

946
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: you said, Tony, there's gonna be pinch points in the

947
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: terrain as well that you can focus on in places

948
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: where you know they're gonna want to travel through, even

949
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: if they're on the bug pattern or if they're just

950
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, fully engulfed and finding a hen or fully

951
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: engulfed in finding a fight, there's just gonna be places

952
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: where they can work through easier, especially in the western terrain.

953
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: A lot of times at the Midwest, turkeys are gonna

954
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: travel like agricultural edges or next to timber, along creek

955
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: bottoms and some of the terrain that will be in

956
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: it's it's benches. But it really could just ends up

957
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: being what's the path of least resistance sometimes to get

958
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: to where the well. And that's a good point, man.

959
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't think people we when we think about you know,

960
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: if I just conjure up a Montana turkey hunt in

961
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: the first week of May, I envisioned beautiful weather, you know,

962
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: like it's just so it's so such a default, you know,

963
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: headspace to go to. But when you when you do

964
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: that homework and you get down those spots they like

965
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: to travel anyway, you you're you're hedging your bets against

966
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: that super windy morning or that rainy day, or just

967
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: the weather that isn't ideal. You're you're already in a

968
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: place where those turkeys like to travel, and there's so

969
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: much easier to call when you're already where they like

970
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, that's exactly the point, Like I can't

971
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: say anything better than that. Really, if you're a where

972
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: it's turkey wants to be, you're in such here. I

973
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: don't know what the percentage chances of having an interaction,

974
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: but you're so much more likely to have exactly what

975
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: you know Tony was describing earlier on where our turkey

976
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: commits to your decoy set up and comes a running

977
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: and gives you a chance to have you know what,

978
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: we all love to see his hunters on on YouTube

979
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: or on TV, or a turkey just attacks decoy, you

980
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: get to see some some really aggressive strutting and and

981
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: all you get to hear spitting and drumming. You can

982
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: kind of get the here, all the things, all the

983
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: intimate moments of a turkey hunt that you're not gonna

984
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: get if you just crawl on up and shoot it

985
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: on a field edge or something. Yeah, it's such a

986
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: better experience, it is. And you know one thing, you know,

987
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: it's different here where I live because we're dealing with

988
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: a lot smaller wood lots. But the one thing I learned,

989
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: especially when I started taking my girls out and taking

990
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: some people who are just like had very little experiences

991
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: when I started running trail cameras for turkeys just to

992
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: see it was such a confident. It's booster that on

993
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: some of the logging roads and some of the edges,

994
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: like you talked about it was it was a guarantee

995
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: that every day birds would walk through some of those spots,

996
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: like I've got a I've got a spot here that's

997
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: between two basically cattail slews and it's just a I

998
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: found it deer hunting, but it's a phenomenal little high

999
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: ridge that a lot of animals travel. And it what

1000
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: it makes you realize when you run a camera on

1001
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: it is you're like, if you had the patience to

1002
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: sit there every day, you could kill a turkey without calling.

1003
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: But if you start calling in those spots, that's where

1004
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: they're going. And so you just realize, like it kind

1005
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: of does. It does a little bit of it. It

1006
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: helps temper that desire to just run after the next

1007
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: gobble because you know you're in a place that they

1008
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: just they frequent and that's it's such a huge psychological boost. Yeah,

1009
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try this analogy and let's see if it works.

1010
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: Fill you let me know if this if you're picking up,

1011
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: if you're already in the bedroom and you're calling your

1012
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: lady and you're like, hey, let's let's get busy, and

1013
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: you're already in the head and this candle's light and

1014
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: there's rose petals about, and there's you know, some very

1015
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: white playing in the background. It's much easier to get

1016
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: everything going than it is if you're like, you know,

1017
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, cleaning out the garbage disposal. Um, Phil,

1018
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: did that work for you as an analogy? Wow? I mean,

1019
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: that's just that's not my experience at all. I get

1020
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm most I'm most successful when I'm

1021
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: cleaning out the garbage disposal. But I totally see what

1022
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: you're saying, though, Yes, I got it. I did a

1023
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: whole presentation one time about turkeys where I just made

1024
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: all the analogies about dating, and it was it was

1025
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: people laughed, but I think at the end they were like,

1026
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: we're not going to have him back. We're not He's

1027
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: not gonna come back. I'm not really even when we're

1028
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: we're in like peak strut, when turkeys are fired up

1029
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: and they're more susceptible to calling, I always kind of

1030
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: like to figure out where they want to be. I

1031
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: always do I just I don't like running up to

1032
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: the roost tree and thinking he's gonna fly down and

1033
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: pitch over and walk right to me. That almost never happens.

1034
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: It just it's it's one of the most enticing but

1035
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: foolish moves I think most turkey hunters make, is to think,

1036
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: like those turkeys are in the tree, if I just

1037
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: get right over here on the field edge, they're gonna

1038
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: fly right down the field come to me. I just

1039
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: through my experience, I know that seems enticing, but it

1040
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: just isn't the way that it normally goes down if

1041
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: you're seven yards away. And then in our case, fill

1042
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: there's a couple of little meadows um right off the

1043
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: cotton woods over this river where they're going to roost.

1044
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: If we're there, I mean, we could roll right up

1045
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: to the to the river's edge, to the creek edge

1046
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: and sidle up in there and try to be really

1047
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: quiet and have them pitched down in our laps. Or

1048
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: we could get into these couple of these small meadows

1049
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: where we know they're gonna want to be anyway, and

1050
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: just be patient um and and and work them callum,

1051
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: be aggressive if we need to kind of check their mood,

1052
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: but also know that they're kind of heading our way anyway. Um,

1053
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: so you get a little confidence where that's it gives

1054
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: you just a little more confidence. And you know you're

1055
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: not bumping birds. Uh, you just kind of in a

1056
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: position where you're just pulling that string slowly to get

1057
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: him to come your way. Is there any other things

1058
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: about you know, just the way that this goes in

1059
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: the mornings? I mean we can Tony that I could

1060
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: probably go forever. Phil describe why it's awesome, why a

1061
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: morning in the Turkey wood is never a bad morning, Like,

1062
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: that's probably an interesting thing to talk about. I would

1063
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: add something to that, Ben, like I I agree with

1064
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: you that that roost uh you know, fly down from

1065
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: the roost, kill him right away. Thing That is an

1066
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: oft talked about situation that really doesn't happen nearly as

1067
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: much as we make it seem. We we kind of conflate, uh,

1068
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: the really callable birds with the really enjoyable gobbling off

1069
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: the roost. Like there's different things that go on. Yeah,

1070
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: you can kill one right away, but being out there

1071
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: at sunrise is awesome because you hear and there's there's

1072
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: always something going on. I mean, it's it's so rare

1073
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: to not have have something worthwhile to be there for.

1074
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: But the birds that are killable and really are going

1075
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: to play the game, well, they're the ones that you

1076
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: run into later in the day and you know, at

1077
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: least often. And it's a hard thing to for a

1078
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: lot of people to get through. Is you have that

1079
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: rush of excitement right away and then you get a

1080
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: lot of times you have that dead period and it's

1081
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: hard to stick with it. But you get that bird

1082
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock in the morning who hits you out

1083
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,479
Speaker 1: of the blue. That's the dude you you take home.

1084
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it. But it's a hard thing

1085
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: to for a lot of people to get over until

1086
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: they've they've killed a few at that time, you know.

1087
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, And like you said, I mean it's

1088
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: it's better with with new hunters because you can kind

1089
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: of dial back some of the more aggressive tactics that

1090
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: you would use, right because you're not you just don't

1091
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: want to do it. I want it's it's not a

1092
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: good of experience. I know you've probably done this, Tony.

1093
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: I've killed a lot of turkeys hunting solo. Where I

1094
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: just said, I know how I'm gonna kill this turkey.

1095
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wait. I'm gonna go over here and

1096
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: make it happen. I don't have the time or the patients.

1097
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: I know, I understand how this needs to get done.

1098
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: And having the ability to move on your own and

1099
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: just you know, I've crawled a lot of turkeys up,

1100
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: popped out of the grasses, shot him in the face,

1101
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: like I did. You know that's but that's not something

1102
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna do one with a new hunter, or or

1103
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: really with more than one person a lot of times. Yeah,

1104
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: And and to the to extent that Phil, you and

1105
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: I aren't gonna split up when we're out there. I'm

1106
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: gonna be with you. I'm not gonna a lot of

1107
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: times in calling sequences. You know, I might go back

1108
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: fifty yards, seventy five yards or whatever, UM make pretty

1109
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: less than that. But I think we'll just stick together,

1110
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: and we'll be sitting together and we'll be talking through everything,

1111
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: and we'll have won't be able to kind of uh

1112
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: put ourselves in a situation to have I think a

1113
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: better I guess cadence of how a turkey shows up,

1114
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: rather than just charging that one or having it randomly. Uh,

1115
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: I guess they're all there. They can always randomly surprisss

1116
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: tony at any point in time. That's what they tend

1117
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, and yeah, I would say to um

1118
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: one thing. One thing with that is, especially if you're

1119
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna maybe set up a little bit behind him or

1120
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: something in a certain situation where you won't be there,

1121
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: I would I would feel I'd recommend you had a

1122
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: something to snip the weeds off, and maybe a little

1123
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: saw with you, and every every tree that you're gonna

1124
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: put your back to, I would make sure you kick

1125
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: out a spot so you're down to bare dirt and

1126
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: you and you swing through your options with you with

1127
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: your shotguns. So you know, if that bird does surprise

1128
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: you a little bit and you're you know, you're a

1129
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: right handed shooter or left handed shooter, you have the

1130
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: ability to to move around a little bit without making

1131
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: noise or you know, bumping your barrel into a you know,

1132
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: dead fall or whatever like just that a little extra

1133
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, it always feels rush, especially if you have

1134
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: a bird close. But a little bit of extra time

1135
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: prepping that spot for the you know, the thing you

1136
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: don't expect can really change the game too. Yeah, that's

1137
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: that's that's good advice because that's the thing with me.

1138
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: I'm mostly, i'd say, in my life, like a path

1139
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: of least resistance person. So that's just something I never

1140
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: would have thought of, you know, I would I would

1141
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: have just sat my butt against a tree and been like,

1142
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: I'll just work with with with this, I'll work with

1143
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 1: what I've got. But yeah, putting in that that little

1144
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: extra effort to clean it off, make sure you're prepared

1145
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: for all situations. Um. Yeah, that's that's stuff that I

1146
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: I would not have thought about. And we're working on.

1147
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I gotta spartan tripod that I want to

1148
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: try to use I've never used for turkey hunting. And

1149
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: again I might take it out and just mess with

1150
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: it just so I know it a little bit better. Phil.

1151
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: But having a tripod with kind of a v notch

1152
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: rest on it is something I've been thinking about, um,

1153
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: because it's easy to throw down and you can just

1154
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: sit your gun in it and then you kind of know, um,

1155
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of know your stable when we

1156
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: when we start working a bird. You know, you've gotta

1157
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: understand you can't if you unless you leave that v notch,

1158
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: You're always going to be kind of in that and stable.

1159
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: I've never have you ever done that before? You do

1160
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: that with your girls, Tony. I do it with them

1161
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, but we have I don't. I don't

1162
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: like it for myself, but for them. You know, my

1163
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: my goal is to put those birds in the decoys

1164
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: at like ten or twelve yards and their shot is

1165
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: only at a bird that's right there. Like it. You know,

1166
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: they're not. I'm not having them. I'm not giving them

1167
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: the freedom to swing on one that bless us coming

1168
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: in or anything like that. So it's it's perfect to

1169
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: have a nice I have a nice tripod rest for them.

1170
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: That's like the very minimal effort to aim right at

1171
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: a turkey that's in in the spot we want them

1172
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: to be. Phil Do you do you find yourself calm

1173
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: under pressure or do you feel like I'm freaking out? Man?

1174
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: Are you gonna freak out on me? Or you gonna

1175
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: stay calm? Oh? No? I mean I think, especially especially

1176
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: with with this, where I don't really have like high expectations.

1177
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of along for the ride. I don't

1178
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't see myself going into like panic mode. Um,

1179
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: but you know, we'll see what actually happens. It's possible

1180
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: that I'm back there panicking. Sure, it's probably more likely

1181
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: that I panic than you panic situation, because I'll be

1182
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: so excited for you. Uh and you're pretty, You're pretty

1183
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, blase about it. You're like, I'll be out

1184
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: there turkey comps. That's cool, but I'll be back with

1185
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: Phil's gotta kill the turkey. Yeah, Ben, I got a

1186
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: question for Phil. So, yeah, Phil, Phil, do you, um,

1187
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: do you have any any standards for which turkey you

1188
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: might shoot? You know, we Ben, we have not talked

1189
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: about this at all, so I think this this might

1190
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: be something to maybe just go over briefly now. I

1191
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, yeah, do you I mean, Phil probably

1192
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: probably don't really understand the differences between a mature bird

1193
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: or two year old What do you know what a

1194
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: jake is? For example, a younger a younger turkey, that's

1195
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: part as part of it, run him through Tony like

1196
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: the gam and of turkeys he's gonna run into out there.

1197
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this is going to be an important lesson here.

1198
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: Any any bird with a beard on his chest, even

1199
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: if if it's a two inch beard like a Jake

1200
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: or a eleven inch just hog swinging away there. Shoot

1201
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: him in the face it. If it doesn't have a beard,

1202
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: don't shoot it in the face. On it and pay attention.

1203
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: So I Ben, I don't know if you know this

1204
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: about me, but I am a huge advocate of shooting jake's.

1205
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: I like that. I like the way you put it.

1206
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't mind a good Jake or a Jake shot

1207
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: or two. You're like, I'm a huge advocate of it,

1208
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: Please explain it. I don't like. I'm I'm really I've

1209
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,479
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time playing in this this big

1210
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: deer world, and I'm pretty burned out on the turkey

1211
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: or I mean on the trophy thing, and I just

1212
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: don't think it has a place in the turkey world,

1213
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: especially for new hunters. And if you if you have

1214
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: a Jake come in, or a couple of Jakes come in,

1215
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: they should be on the menu, buddy, you should be.

1216
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: You should be more worried about putting that beat or

1217
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: that that red dot right where it needs to go

1218
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: and killing them than worrying about turkey trophy size. Yeah, well,

1219
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm the guy who's trying to kill ten

1220
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: turkeys a year just to the just to augment or

1221
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: replace our white meat consumption in my house by quest

1222
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: of my wife. So I I don't think she cares

1223
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: Jake or Tom. You you you said that as if,

1224
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: as if it's like a controversial or opinion. Is the

1225
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: reason that maybe people would disagree with you, is that

1226
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: for like conservation reasons or or or just like trophy reasons.

1227
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a trophy thing. Like And I

1228
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: will say that part of the disdain for shooting Jake's

1229
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: for that some people have is because some of them

1230
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: don't play the strut gobble game very well. And so

1231
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: you get more drive bys with with just little flocks

1232
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: of Jake's that aren't really strutting and giving you the show.

1233
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: And so it's just not as fun. You don't, you

1234
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 1: don't really. But at the same time, those people aren't

1235
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: passing up three year old birds that aren't strutt in

1236
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: either like that. But you get you get less Jakes

1237
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: that play the you know, the fewer Jakes that play

1238
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: the fun game, but you do get some of them

1239
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 1: that come in full strut and fighting and attacking. And

1240
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, but even even if you get the quietest,

1241
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: most timid, shy Jake ever and he he's just walking

1242
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: by your decoys. I strongly urge you to shoot him

1243
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: in the face. Yeah, I'll probably be urging you to

1244
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: do the same. Um. But just to be clear, like

1245
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: Jake is an immature one year old male turkey. That's

1246
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. Uh. And we we then

1247
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: we would talk about like in our vernacular Tony, we

1248
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: would normally say like two year old bird, where we

1249
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: know this is an immature, immature male, but he is

1250
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: graduated from Jake to to Tom. He's just a two

1251
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: year old turkey acts a whole lot different than a

1252
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: three year old and four year old Tom. You want

1253
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: to run him through that a little bit done? Uh? Yeah,

1254
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: I would say, don't worry about that, um, because yeah,

1255
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to tell um. You know,

1256
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: two year olds are dream birds because they they look

1257
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: like big, mature birds, you know, I mean a lot

1258
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: of them are. They're pretty heavy, and they're they're sporting

1259
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: pretty good beards, but they're just a little more suicidal.

1260
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: A lot of times they're they're the birds a lot

1261
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: of times that will get booted out of the bigger

1262
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: flock at ten in the morning or noon and they

1263
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: go out cruising and they're they're all about fighting Jake's

1264
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: and they're the ones that put on a great show

1265
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: and they're awesome to kill. But they're different than you know,

1266
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,439
Speaker 1: an old bird, you know, a big hooks bird bird there,

1267
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: especially on public land, they're they're a little bit different

1268
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: and you you kind of can tell sometimes when you

1269
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: watch them, especially if there's some interaction with other birds

1270
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: or some some hens, then then you can see that

1271
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a dominance thing going on,

1272
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: and you can see who sort of sort of running

1273
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: the show. And that's super fun. But that's just uh,

1274
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: that's just like a luck of the draw thing. If

1275
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: you if you get to witness that, you know, like

1276
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: if you have a bird come into as a beard swinging,

1277
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: I would not I would recommend not thinking about how

1278
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: old he probably is and thinking about how delicious he's

1279
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna be if you shoot him in the face. Got it.

1280
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: That's why that's why Tony's here, boys and girls. He's

1281
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: here to give you the real. Real is one thing

1282
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: I would just say identifiers if just so you know, uh,

1283
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: the tail fan, the central tail feathers. I guess we'll

1284
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: call him. I don't know how many tail feathers exactly,

1285
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: is it? You know, like four four? Yeah, four tails.

1286
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: We'll just call him the central tail feathers and hiss

1287
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: Fan will stick up about two or three inches above

1288
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 1: the rest. And that's just because during during their first

1289
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: summer at turkey, jake will malt and lose most of

1290
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: its feathers besides the beard and then besides those central

1291
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: tail feathers, so they stick up a little bit higher. Um.

1292
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:56,479
Speaker 1: So that's how you'll see it when they're when they're

1293
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: trying to strut or acting like, acting like they're actual gobbler.

1294
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't I'm right there with you. Had a buddy

1295
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: who I was hunting with, teaching a little bit of

1296
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: turkey hunting last year here locally. We didn't do a

1297
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: whole lot hunt together. We went out a couple of

1298
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: mornings and he ended up shooting a jake and was

1299
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: and kind of say, oh, I shout at turkey, like

1300
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: you shot at turkey too, that's awesome. He's like, yeah,

1301
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: I was just a jake. I said, oh yeah, I

1302
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: don't care. Don't don't say that, man, like just you

1303
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: filled your tag. That is that is, do not look

1304
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: down upon filling your tag in that way. So agree,

1305
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: agree on that, Tony. Yeah, it's way more satisfying to

1306
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: make that first really good shot than to care about

1307
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, how big they are there there? You go,

1308
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: all right, well, what's what I mean? What else Tony?

1309
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: We can talk about call. I don't want to talk

1310
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: about calling as much one because I'll be doing most

1311
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: of it, if not all of it. And um, I

1312
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: just really want fill you to focus on unless you're

1313
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: interested in phil it or maybe you have some questions

1314
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: but we've gotten you know, almost forty five minutes into

1315
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: a conversation. Uh, let's just do it that way, Philly.

1316
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: Any questions that that you want to ask you anything like,

1317
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: particularly that you're nervous about excited about. Um, you think

1318
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: we might be full of ship on No, I'm not.

1319
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: I would never accuse accuse you being foolish it since

1320
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: I I know absolutely nothing. So I'm just here to

1321
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: to to listen. Um. Yeah, I'm trying to think. I

1322
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: don't like it because it sounds like Ben, you've you've

1323
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: thought this out, you thought our game plan out more

1324
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 1: than you have relayed to me. So that that makes me,

1325
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: that makes me feel feel better. I'm just here. I

1326
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: think I told I mentioned this briefly before. I I

1327
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: think you you really want me to have like a

1328
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: successful hunt. You you want me to shoot to shoot

1329
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: a turkey. Obviously I would like to shoot a turkey,

1330
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: but I won't be disappointed if if if I don't.

1331
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: Is it is it foolish of me to like not

1332
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: want you to hand this to me on a silver platter?

1333
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: Or and is it foolish of me to think that

1334
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: that that's even a possibility because it's a good Yeah,

1335
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought this up because you said this

1336
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: to me before, and it's something that it's worth talking about,

1337
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: right that You're like, I don't want to be at

1338
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: some level, I am going to be the arbor over

1339
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: your experience. I'm gonna take you out and show you

1340
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: either how I do it or how I'd want to

1341
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,520
Speaker 1: do it, and then give you that one fairly limited

1342
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: approach to turkey hunting, because there's not just one way

1343
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: to do any turkey hunt or to attack any scenario.

1344
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you could do uh, the hunt we're gonna do,

1345
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 1: you could probably do it about ten or fifteen different

1346
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: ways depending on how much you know what you valued

1347
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: from a turkey hunt. Um, But I think I don't

1348
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: know what you think about this, Tony. But the way

1349
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: I look at that is there is just killing a

1350
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: turkey in and of itself comes with so many challenges.

1351
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: Just getting a turkey within range and then pulling the

1352
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: trigger on it and having it fall right there. Well,

1353
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how many turkeys I've killed,

1354
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: but every time I do it, my first thought or

1355
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: my first emotion is is generally a sense of relief

1356
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: because I understand how hard it is to do. Even

1357
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: if we do it every year, and even if every

1358
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: once in a while we run into a bird that

1359
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: just seems like the dumbest animal to ever walk on

1360
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: two feet, Even if that happens, you still know that

1361
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: a lot of things have to go right to get

1362
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 1: that burden and to kill it. So I would just

1363
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: say that, like wanting a challenge, is is understandable, but

1364
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: there's enough challenge and just getting out into the woods,

1365
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: understanding the turkey, having it come in, put the put

1366
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: that red dot on the right spot, and pulling the

1367
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: trigger and killing it. Um, I think that's that's a

1368
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: hell of a challenge, And it's also kind of like

1369
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: the the initial barrier to get over so you can

1370
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: understand how do I feel when I killed it? How

1371
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: did I feel when I ate it? Because those are

1372
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: generally going to be the drivers to have you understand

1373
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: the activity, but then push you forward to to want

1374
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: to do it again. And so that's just how I

1375
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: think of it. But I do understand some I say,

1376
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: and I don't want you know, is it really hunting

1377
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: if you just take me out in the woods and

1378
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: sit me down against the tree and hand me a shotgun,

1379
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: um and do some calling and a turkey comes walking in?

1380
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: Is that really hunting? Did I learn anything? I guess

1381
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, you got any thoughts on that? Tony? Oh? Yeah? Man?

1382
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: So his fill your concerns are spot on there. And Ben,

1383
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,600
Speaker 1: you're falling into the same trap I always fall in,

1384
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: where I want it so bad for them, but I,

1385
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,520
Speaker 1: like I, I tend to sort of put the blinders

1386
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: on and forget there's a whole bunch of other stuff

1387
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: going on out there. And so it sounds like fil

1388
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: from your position, it sounds like it's going to be

1389
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: a lock, but it won't be I guess it won't

1390
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: be as easy as it probably sounds, even even have

1391
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: some having somebody really kind of set it up for you.

1392
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: And the thing that it's like kind of easy to

1393
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: forget about is there's literally no time other than maybe

1394
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: September where it's more badass to be out in the

1395
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: woods at sunrise than it is in you know, late April,

1396
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: early May. Like it's it's freaking awesome out there. You

1397
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: never regret it because there's so much to see and

1398
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: the songbirds of coming back up, and it's just it's

1399
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: a wild experience. And so it's it's more than just

1400
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: like getting out there and getting over the hurdle of

1401
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: the first bird. But like Ben is Ben is in

1402
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: that mode because that's what we do when we take

1403
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: people out. But you'll see that there's a lot more

1404
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 1: to it. So it's like it's easy to get worried about, like, oh,

1405
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: is this gonna be too easy? And you could yeah,

1406
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like your situation, but you could set

1407
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 1: up turkey hunts to be so easy that they weren't satisfying.

1408
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: This is that's not going to be this one, Like

1409
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: you're you're you're probably gonna work at it a little

1410
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: bit and probably fail some and and see how it

1411
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: really goes. And and what I would say to on

1412
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: that is go into it with the idea that you

1413
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: want to see how this stuff goes, not not just

1414
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: like show up and you know, be told what to do,

1415
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: but get out there and scout a little bit and

1416
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: build in like earn this a little bit. Like that's

1417
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to get my little girls to

1418
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,839
Speaker 1: do it. When we go out, we put out blinds

1419
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: or we scout, it's like, I just want them to

1420
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: see this process is more then when I take them

1421
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: out there in the morning on opening morning and we've

1422
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: got the birds roosted and the decoys out, everything is

1423
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: set up really well, like there's a lot to it,

1424
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: and that's what makes it fun. Yeah, And that the

1425
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: it's I think the satisfaction and all that compounds with

1426
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: the more work and time you put into thinking about it.

1427
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: You know, if you were to if I were to

1428
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: just say, hey, Phil, you want to go hunt in

1429
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning and we hadn't talked about it previously at all,

1430
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well, um, well you gotta take your

1431
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: hund of safety course. You get that Nope, all right,

1432
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: well we gotta do that. And I think, what the

1433
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: way that you become legal in the sense of hunting

1434
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: and the way that you've had to do it makes

1435
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: you think about it a little bit more anyway. But

1436
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: then when you get to the actual act of it,

1437
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: it's all the satisfaction of the act is compounded by

1438
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: how much work you put into it, how much thinking

1439
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: you do, and how much critical thought. Um, that starts

1440
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: to become you know, part of the game for you.

1441
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: So I mean it, I guess you just get out

1442
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: there and it'll be part. I just want to enjoy

1443
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: myself and and enjoy this morning in nature or this

1444
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: day out walking around in the woods. I want to

1445
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: focus in on learning this craft because it is a craft, uh,

1446
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: and learning this animal, and then once it happens, I

1447
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: want to focus in on like, what did I enjoy?

1448
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: Why is this fulfilling for me? Is it? Maybe it's not? Um?

1449
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: And then you go home and you cook it for

1450
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: your family and and decide if that part is ultimately

1451
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: the most fulfilling part for you. So it's it's it's

1452
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: a ton I mean, you know, we've had people on

1453
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: here that hunt of their entire lives that are still

1454
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: talking about, uh, particularly there why and what they do

1455
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: and how they approach things. Um so there's certainly not

1456
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: one way to do it, that's for sure. That summing

1457
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: up film, I'm trying to find this quote from David

1458
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: Peterson from Heart's Blood, such a good quote. Um any

1459
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: other what what do you think about that? Phil? Is

1460
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: that enough? You feel like we're gonna I'm gonna just

1461
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: be so I'm because I'm Tony's right, I'm gonna be

1462
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: so driven to get you a turkey. I'm gonna forget

1463
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: some stuff that I probably should have told you or forget. Well,

1464
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: when we're actually in the field, Ben, I'll make sure

1465
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: to ask questions. I think that's where most of my

1466
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: questions are gonna pop up. Like I'm sure you're gonna

1467
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna start doing something calling a certain way, We're

1468
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: gonna be looking at a certain direction, walking a certain way,

1469
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: walking a certain direction, and if you I'll make sure

1470
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: to be like, well, what is the purpose of this

1471
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: activity that we're doing? Why? Why are you doing this?

1472
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this at this moment? Because I

1473
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: think that's where most of my learning is going to

1474
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: be done. It's just questions that I haven't really thought

1475
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: of yet that I'm sure I will once the activity

1476
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: is is taking place. Yeah, I'm with you. It's it's

1477
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: a I'll scare I'll scare all the birds away with

1478
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: my questions. Ben, is that a jake? I can't see

1479
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: its tail feathers, but I I think that is too.

1480
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: Like when it's with your with your kids, you have

1481
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 1: an understanding of who that person is, and you know

1482
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: your role as a father um or if you're with

1483
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: your wife and your role as a husband. When when

1484
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: where somebody you know? This is for us a year

1485
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: where hopefully a lot of listeners of this podcast and

1486
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are joining us are looking

1487
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: to find someone to mentor are looking to find someone

1488
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: to take out. And a lot of doing that is

1489
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: is taking the time to learn the person, to ask

1490
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: them questions, to understand what they're really trying to get

1491
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: out of the damn thing, and then and work with

1492
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: them on that um because when you're out there, you

1493
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 1: kind of have to have a mutual understanding because tricky

1494
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: hunting can be really boring if if the person that

1495
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: is the mentor doesn't understand what the mentee is trying

1496
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: to get out of the whole thing um or or

1497
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: what they're trying to explore. And I think you find that, Tony.

1498
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: That's often you can kind of get yourself twisted up

1499
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: if you don't, you know, have that understanding and have

1500
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: some empathy going into it all big time. And the

1501
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: biggest problem you have if you're a mentor is just

1502
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: ignoring the needs of whoever you're taking out. You know,

1503
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking beyond that, you know might

1504
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: might like when you when you mentioned taking my wife out,

1505
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean we the first two times we turkey hunting together,

1506
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: we got as close to divorce as we've ever gotten.

1507
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: It was horrible, and part of it was because I

1508
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: cared so much and she didn't hardly care at all.

1509
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 1: She's like, just that sounds like us. But I'll tell

1510
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: you what. We started having fun when I just finally said, Okay,

1511
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: she wants to hunt a couple of times this season.

1512
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: She wants to hear some stuff, see some stuff, and

1513
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: just be comfortable. And I just had to back off

1514
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: the gas and go, Okay, this isn't about me going

1515
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: guerrilla warfare on a dumb bird. This is about her experience,

1516
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: and you know, she was right like it it was

1517
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: better for her to to hunt her way, you know

1518
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. You still gotta push a little bit

1519
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: because you gotta. You still want some success. And if

1520
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing and they don't like you,

1521
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: gotta you know, you gotta lean into that a little bit.

1522
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: But it's I've seen the same thing with so many

1523
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: of the people I've taken out where it's if if

1524
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: they're digging it, you can tell, and if they're if

1525
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: they're kind of suffering through it. For you, you can

1526
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: tell if you're if you're honest about it and you

1527
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: really want them to just be into it. So if

1528
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: it means cutting down, you know, at nine o'clock in

1529
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: the morning, versus staying out there all day, like it's

1530
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of what you have to do, it sucks if

1531
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: you're really driven, but it's just the way it is. Yeah,

1532
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: we talked about that a lot here where even for

1533
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, I have a way that I a cadence

1534
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: in my life where turkey onning becomes important. It's right

1535
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: around I say a Happy New Year, and then I

1536
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: start thinking about turkeys immediately January two, I'm thinking about turkeys.

1537
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I'm ice fishing, I'm thinking about turkeys,

1538
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: and that's yeah, that's me. Is that you, Tony? Are

1539
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: you earlier that? No? No, no, because that's when dear

1540
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: season ends and I start getting It's part of the

1541
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: reason I scout turkeys so much. I don't really need to,

1542
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 1: just I just it's like something to do, Like you're

1543
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: you're kind of in the realm of just getting ready

1544
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: for this thing that I love so much. And you know, Ben,

1545
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 1: you know this like it, this is what phil really

1546
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: pay attention to this. You know, I'm forty years old

1547
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: and I'm starting to look at this stuff like how

1548
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: many turkey seasons do I have left? Like how many

1549
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: elk seasons do I have left? And like you, especially

1550
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: with my little girls getting a little bit older, I'm

1551
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:17,560
Speaker 1: like painfully aware that there's only so many aprils and

1552
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: maize that I can get out here and do this

1553
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: in so many states I'm gonna hunt and I just

1554
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: want I want to like enjoy it as much as possible.

1555
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: And it's it seems stupid, you know, because hopefully I

1556
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,839
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch left. But you just you become

1557
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: like acutely aware of how fleeting turkey season is. If

1558
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: you if you really love turkey hunting, it doesn't last

1559
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: long and then you're stuck waiting for another year. Yeah. Yeah,

1560
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: because I desperately want Phil in this case to be

1561
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: as into it as I am, Like I just he

1562
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: has been so it's taken me so long to get

1563
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: him to this point. I have so desperate for Phil

1564
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: to be like reading the tenth Legion and go like,

1565
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, because I and that's one thing is

1566
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: as I'll return to get to so many people that

1567
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts taking out new hunters this year. When

1568
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: you when you create something in your head, like I've

1569
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: I've created hunting work to me, I'm not the best

1570
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: hunter in the world, but I love it. I think

1571
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: about it almost all the time, Like, yeah, I watched sports, Yes,

1572
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: I do other things, but mostly all the time I'm

1573
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: thinking about hunting. Like and it goes as we were

1574
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: talking about in Cadences Yearly Cadence, I get to thinking

1575
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: about turkeys, and I get thinking about tag applications. Then

1576
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: I get to scouting turkeys, as Tony said, Wait, I'm

1577
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: glad you said that, because I scout Turkey's way, way

1578
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: more than I need to, because it's that time of

1579
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: year there's not nothing else to do, and you want

1580
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: to get outside and you're obsessed with it, and you

1581
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 1: just you're like, yep, they're still there, Yep, but they're

1582
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: still there, windering flock, all right, They're still in the

1583
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: same field there in every morning. Um. But but I

1584
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: think one of the challenges here, and this is something

1585
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: that that I think people often stumble on, is is

1586
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: exactly what we've been talking about, which is wanting I

1587
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: want Phil to kind of experience turkey hunting the way

1588
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: I have or the way I do through that lens,

1589
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: because I think it would lead to a certain type

1590
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: of passion that is has like gets me up in

1591
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: the morning. Uh, and I want to say it's changed

1592
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: my life, but kind of has. Um. But they're like

1593
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: putting that pressure on him, or putting that pressure on

1594
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: any mentee or somebody you're taking out in the woods

1595
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: is a little tough to say, Like I want you

1596
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: to understand and love this the way I do. It's

1597
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: really just like I want you to come with me

1598
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: and get out of it what you're going to get

1599
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: out of it, and if you happen to start if

1600
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: you happen to want to read the Tenth Legion every

1601
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: year twice a year by the end of March. Um, okay,

1602
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 1: great man, because that's what I do. But you don't

1603
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 1: have to. And yeh. I think sometimes we set up

1604
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,719
Speaker 1: these kind of weird barriers around taking new people hunting

1605
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: because you want to assign to them your own experiences. Yeah,

1606
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: and sometimes it doesn't work very well. Yeah, I've never

1607
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: I can't remember ever having I do remember one turgy

1608
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: hunt in Florida where I was sitting in that I

1609
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: was we're I was trying to get my first Grand Slam,

1610
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: and I was all into this. I think I was

1611
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: explaining what a grand Slam is, um, why it was

1612
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: important to get my first. And we had a young

1613
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: lady along with us who just had never hunted before.

1614
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: And I just never I wasn't even care. I didn't

1615
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: even care she was there. I just I was trying

1616
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: to get my turkey and and she was with us,

1617
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,719
Speaker 1: but I didn't know, you know, I didn't bring her along.

1618
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 1: She wasn't my mentee or anything like that. She was

1619
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: just with us. And she asked if she could come.

1620
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: I absolutely, you know, come sitting the blind with us,

1621
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 1: and I don't even think we we told her like,

1622
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: this is what a turkey does, this is what you

1623
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: might see. We she just sat there and we worked

1624
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: a bird. He came in, uh, he didn't come into range,

1625
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: and then he walked away. And later on she was like,

1626
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't understand why you guys were so

1627
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: excited about what happened this morning, Like, I don't. I

1628
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: thought that was like I've seen turkeys and fields before.

1629
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand why we spent so long talking about

1630
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: that afterwards. And I just thought, well, no, wonder we

1631
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 1: just like she just came and we didn't even a

1632
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: dress that she was there, or talk her through any

1633
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: of the things. I was so dialed in that I

1634
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: just didn't. I didn't think of it. Um, So I

1635
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: guess that's a pitfall Tony. Uh. Yeah, there are times

1636
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: when you should just be hunting by yourself. Yeah, that's right,

1637
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, yes, you have to. Expectations are an

1638
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: important part of hunting, that's for sure, As as we

1639
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: talked about with trophy hunting and shoot every j QC,

1640
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: like the expectations kind of drive everything else, you know,

1641
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 1: it drives your perspective, and it drives the you know,

1642
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: your satisfaction at the end of the day, or you

1643
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: wanted you want to go back. Definitely, And I will

1644
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 1: say this on that note, I will be extremely disappointed

1645
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: in Phil if he doesn't become a lifelong turkey hunter

1646
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: out of this. I know. I mean, I think there's

1647
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: thousands of THHC listeners. We've started a cult and they

1648
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: and we have. If you don't know this, Tony, we

1649
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 1: have a I think we have forty seven state chapters

1650
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: of our podcast. They all have leaders, they're all they

1651
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: all have are organizing and and we're organizing around mentor hunts.

1652
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: That's that's basically what we're doing. So, uh, Phil is

1653
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: kind of like what would you call yourself? Phil? You're like,

1654
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily the mascot per se. You're way more

1655
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: important than that. You're like a deity within the THHC listener.

1656
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: Don't like that? You don't like that. It feels like

1657
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of space between mascot

1658
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 1: and deity. Yeah, middle ground there, Ben all right, Well,

1659
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: you're well respected within within the THC community, so people

1660
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 1: are rooting for you. They are openly rooting for this

1661
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: to happen, and have been for some years. We've made

1662
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: them wait for a long time for this, So no pressure,

1663
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a bit of a different situation

1664
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: than just taking anybody, any normal personnel on a on

1665
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: a hunt that's not going to be followed and recorded. Yeah, well,

1666
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: I do feel that encouragement and and and that that

1667
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: sort of pressure, but it's not it's honestly not really

1668
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 1: have any any effect on me, which I think is

1669
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: which I think is good. I mean, I guess it's

1670
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: not having a negative effect on me. How's that been.

1671
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. Good, That's what we would want. Man.

1672
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 1: I got a lot of support out there, and so

1673
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: we hope I hope this health a little bit, just

1674
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: so you can hear a little bit of the um

1675
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 1: the way this might go, and a little bit of

1676
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: the thought processes. Any last questions for Tony while he's here,

1677
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: Phil before we let him go. No, No, I mean

1678
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: I'm trying to. I'm I'm trying. I'm trying to think

1679
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: if I have anything anything lingering that is kind of

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01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: like something to ask before I actually get out there

1681
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: and experience it. Um the best best Turkey dish Tony

1682
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: oh Man. Well, I mentioned seventeen times on this podcast

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01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: that I have twin nine year old and so we

1684
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: are really big. That's going to be embarrassing, but we

1685
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: are really big into uh, turkey nuggets. Right now that

1686
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,919
Speaker 1: I have heard that, you know, you shouldn't be embarrassed

1687
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: because I've heard that from so many people. Now that's

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01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: just kind of a staple, like a go to especially

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01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,719
Speaker 1: with people with and it's and I do have two kids,

1690
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: so I can imagine that'll be popular. So good, Yeah,

1691
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: so good. And go out and you can go out

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01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: and get yourself like the Chick fil A sauces if

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01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: you want you get a little sauce, you know, a

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01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: selection of sauces for the young young lads. Um, that

1695
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 1: would be interesting. But yeah, I I am. It's either

1696
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: turkey nuggets or everyone listens to this show will know

1697
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,719
Speaker 1: that I'm a big fan of turkey. Cordon Blue. That's

1698
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: a that's a real fancy It's not really fancy. It's

1699
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: got cheese inside of it's not fancy. It's got it's

1700
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: got a French name, so it sounds fancy. Yeah, but

1701
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: it's really like cheese and ham inside. It's not really

1702
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: like it's it's more redneck than it sounds in name.

1703
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: It's delicious though it is it is, but I would

1704
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: say turkey nuggets like, let's not let's celebrate turkey nuggets.

1705
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: In fact, we're probably gonna put that in the title

1706
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: of this podcast to sell it ration of turkey nuggets

1707
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: because it because they are. You get your some dipping sauce,

1708
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: you get the right spice combinations, and it is just

1709
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing better. Hashtag normalized turkey nuggets. We'll Mike, we

1710
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: will make some merch hashtag hashtag turkey nuggets. Um, it's

1711
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: a well, that's a good place. And Tony, thank you

1712
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: for joining us. And you can now find Tony very soon.

1713
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: We haven't really put let the cat out of completely

1714
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: out of bad yet, but but very soon Tony will

1715
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: be available for you to listen to. You'll be let's

1716
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 1: just say that you'll be able to listen to Tony

1717
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: uh coming soon on a podcast near you. About that.

1718
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: That's a perfect way to put that perfect I'll do

1719
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: my best. Well, thanks Tony, and keep us updated. I

1720
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: am I'm gonna go and finish pack and for for

1721
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: Texas and I'll keep both you gentlemen, updated on our

1722
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: success or failure. And really I feel I see all

1723
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: my turkey hunting from now until we hit the field

1724
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: together as a training so I can do my best

1725
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: for you. I can be in tip top turkey calling

1726
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: shape for you, and um, I'm gonna give you my

1727
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: absolute level best effort out there. Okay, I promise alright,

1728
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: same same for me. All right, that's a dedication, all right, Tony,

1729
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: thank you man. I really appreciate it. Yeah, thanks guy.

1730
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: That's it. That's all. Another episode in the books can't fit.

1731
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,520
Speaker 1: We can't do any any of this without actually acknowledging

1732
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: kay La Ray. This is our first episode with with

1733
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: the brand new music as just a baked in thing

1734
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: that we do from in the future for this great podcast.

1735
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: So um, thanks to Tony Peterson, thanks to Philip engineer.

1736
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 1: Philip had to go run off and record a mediator

1737
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: podcast Steve Ronella, so that's what he's doing right now.

1738
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 1: So it's just me flying solo for the wrap up here.

1739
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: But I'll say I am excited about Turkey season. I'm

1740
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: heading to Texas to go try to kill a couple

1741
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: of birds and I'll be back. As we were talking

1742
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: about in our interview with Tony uh to try to

1743
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: kill a bunch more birds and try to get to

1744
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 1: my magic number ten for the season to provide all

1745
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: the meat that we need for my family here. Um,

1746
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 1: so I'm excited about that. This is it. This is

1747
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: the time go enjoy the outdoors. We've we've spent a

1748
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 1: lot of time on this podcast over the last couple

1749
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:29,520
Speaker 1: of months talking about controversial topics, talking about hunting contests

1750
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 1: and black bears being banned and all the things that

1751
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 1: I think are critical. But it could be a good

1752
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 1: time to enjoy spring. Take a break, think about turkeys,

1753
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: read the tenth Legion, and mentally prepare yourself and get

1754
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: yourself out in the woods. It's turkey season. Let's focus

1755
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: on that. Will be back next week. We're gonna have

1756
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: an update for you on our THHC regional chapters and

1757
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: state chapters that are happening out there. If you want

1758
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: to joe in one of those chapters, go to Facebook

1759
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: and search for th HC and the state that you're in,

1760
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: shooting an email at th h C at the media

1761
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: dot com if you can't find those state chapters. Were

1762
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: continually working on the best way for you to be

1763
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: able to be plugged into what's happening on a state

1764
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: by state level with this podcast, with our new group.

1765
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 1: Shout out to Nuri Hong, Shout out to Luke Ree's

1766
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: and our leaders, all of you that are leading th

1767
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: HC into the future. We'll keep it on going. We'll

1768
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,600
Speaker 1: see you next week. Bye bye, Clean your gun and

1769
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 1: turn your bowl. Where the hun collected show and calling

1770
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: Hunters new and all the hunt collect show, working back

1771
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:46,839
Speaker 1: and shuttle or working man in Hane, we collregate nights

1772
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: the Overton Lane. I'm the land. We're focused. We're just

1773
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: living for searching, dreaming of a fire and as Celtic

1774
01:30:55,280 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 1: Gilburn Bowie ain't coming by town. It's Golden Lane taking

1775
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 1: it slow. So weeks she straight clean your gun to

1776
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: your bowl, Where the hunt clicked shown, callin Hunters new

1777
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: and old. Ain't no cold, I'm told