1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: It's charge about all right. Some interesting news out of 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Minnesota that Twins announced that they have mutually agreed to 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: part ways with President of Baseball and Business Operations Derek Falvee. Now, 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: this is interesting because he is one of the only 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: front office execs AJ that actually had both of the 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: jobs in terms of baseball operations as well as business. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Gleeman adding, making a change of this magnitude two 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: weeks before the start of spring training is legitimately shocking 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: and certainly wouldn't have been planned by the Twins. Also 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: of note, just one week ago, the Twins held their 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: annual media luncheon at which Derek falve was the lead speaker. 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: This is peculiar, AJ, because the timing is interesting. They 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: continue to clean house in Minnesota. What do you make 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: of it? 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's happening here. I 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: don't know why they do this now, falve they just 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: promoted to the president of business off and it seemed 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: like he was in charge, But then they had the 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: sale and then they switched from Joe to Tom pull 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: that maybe there's a majority sorry, a minority owner that 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 2: had some thoughts and wants to get a little more 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: power in the organization, and Derek Falvey didn't agree with that, 23 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: so they just said, hey, it's better if we part ways. 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: But the timing of this is crazy. Plus they're kind 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: of trying to win. They said, so you fire your 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: president or sorry not fire, you mutually part ways with 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: your president of Baseball ops right before spring training starts, 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: when you're trying to, as they say, try to compete 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: this year. I don't know what's happening in Minnesota, but 30 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: it's strange, definitely strange times there. 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: Eric. 32 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: Do you buy the term mutually. 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I buy it, but I think it's definitely going 34 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: to be on one side or the other. Mutually can 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: be eighty twenty. You're both in relationships. You get it 36 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: like sometimes you mutually agree even though the one side 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: doesn't agree. But what doesn't line up for me is 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: this guy's been successful with not a lot. He's been 39 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: successful through the fact that ownership was going to spend 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: after they added Carlos care Carlos Correa for this organization. 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: Was that guy that was gonna bring other guys there. 42 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: You already had Bucks, and you already had Royce Lewis, 43 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: You already had a bullpen that could just bang, bang, bang, 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: next guy up. They were finding value in bullpens everywhere, 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: in their bullpen everywhere. But the crazy part too is 46 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 3: now you have a new and they might even change 47 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: his title. Who knows. You know, the titles are really 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: just so that other people can move up underneath that 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: person and still get paid at this new title. But 50 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 3: whatever it is, they have a new manager. Derek Shelton 51 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: was hired I assume by Derek Falvey and Tom Pohlad 52 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: was making a lot of phone calls. Maybe he accidentally 53 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 3: called somebody and they called him. Were like, hey, if 54 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: you get Derek Falvey out of here, I'll re up 55 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: my season my season tickets. And they're like, uh, Derek Faalby, Yeah, 56 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: all right, beat it. See you one more season ticket holder. 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I hope that he's worth more than one 58 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: season ticket holder. They named him being president in March 59 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five AJ. The move ended a ten 60 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: year that began when Falvey was named the team's head 61 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: of baseball operations in twenty sixteen, so he's been with 62 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: the club a long time now. Jeremy Zohl is going 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: to continue to lead the team's baseball side, while executive 64 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: shared Tom Fullad will handle overside of the business side 65 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: on an insterim basis. As far as dysfunctional organizations are concerned, AJ, 66 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: where do the twins rank for you? Right now? 67 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: What are they doing? I'm not going to rank them 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: because I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. 69 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: But it's just more of like, what are they doing? 70 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: I don't understand. If you want to compete, you don't 71 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: get rid of you don't mutually part ways in your 72 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: president of baseball house before spring training when you basically 73 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: have done nothing and you made Derek Falvey trade away 74 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: ten of the players on your team last year, you 75 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: may Derek Falvey did not want to trade away ten 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: players last year, including Carlos Korea. Now the better question is, 77 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: if you're Byron Buxton, do you call the poll Out 78 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: family and say, what is happening right What is happening 79 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: to our organization right now? I know he said he 80 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: didn't want to trade, but I mean, now, how do 81 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 2: you trade Joe Ryan, possibly Pablo Lopez, Byron Buckston, Royce Lewis, 82 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: all these guys, like I know they have some players 83 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: come in. Oh wow, this is a wow. It's just surprised. 84 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: It's surprising the timing, and I thought Derek Falve, I 85 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: mean again, they just promoted him to the business and baseball, 86 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: so now for him to leave is I can't wait 87 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: to talk to Aaron Gleman later on because it's going 88 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: to be fascinating to get the insight on this. 89 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: Trades like this, trades like last year when they trade 90 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: ten guys, that is not baseball decisions. Those are not 91 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: They were not sitting there going I think this is 92 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: the best baseball decision for our future. Those were business decisions. 93 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: It's essentially ninety nine percent come out that, Yeah, they 94 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: wanted to reduce some of the debt that they had, 95 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: and then they brought on some more ownership and that 96 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: ownership and flucked some cash that they were able to 97 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: pay down this debt and got rid of those players. 98 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: Those are business decisions. That stuff is happening from the top, 99 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: that is from ownership and who is taking care of 100 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: the business stuff now it's it's Tom Paullad the guy 101 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 3: who was telling Derek Valve, who was in the business 102 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: business and baseball operations. He wasn't just selling season tickets 103 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: like there was a mutual other teams do this. They've 104 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 3: Dombrowski has the same role with the Phillies, like it's 105 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: there's GMS underneath there. It's not a baseball decision. These 106 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: are business decisions, and now you're giving the new ownership 107 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: more business decision Leeway. I hey, look, I could be 108 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: completely wrong, but just check out the salaries, check out 109 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: how many moves they've already made, and go, okay, most 110 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: likely to go if somebody else is making the bit 111 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: or if people somebody knew is in the business decision 112 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: role they have to like, why would they not get 113 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: rid of some players that get rid of some money 114 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: off the books? 115 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: Does this make it more likely than AJ that Joe 116 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: Ryan will get moved? 117 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: I don't know. By the way I said Aaron Gleeman, 118 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: I meant Dan Hayes is coming on later. I apologize 119 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: to both Aaron Gleeman and Dan Hayes, but I don't know. 120 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: How does it make it more likely if they I 121 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: guess they still have a GM. It all comes down 122 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: to what the pole adds want. Poleads want them to 123 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: dump more money. Then they say trade Joe Ryan, Pablo 124 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: Lopez and try to get Byron Bucks in a wave. 125 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: Is no trade. If they don't want to save any money, 126 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: then they don't do anything, and they try to compete 127 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: with the team they had, which we saw last year 128 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: wasn't very good. So I don't think it changes anything. 129 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: It really as long as the pole Aad family owns 130 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: this team, it comes down to what they say. And 131 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: that's why. For listen, when I played there for or, 132 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: we had Terry Ryan was our GM. We had Jim 133 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: Rantz in charge of the minor leagues, and we had 134 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: you know, kind of the same people, Tom Kelly to 135 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: Ron Garden higher right, and it was they kind of 136 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: knew what they wanted, They kind of knew what's gonna player. 137 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: And then they went to Falvey and thad Levine and 138 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: they kind of got it going there for a little bit, 139 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden they got to a 140 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: point where they were pretty good twenty twenty two, let's 141 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: not forget they're pretty good. And then they're like, oh, 142 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: we're gonna cut the payroll thirty million, cut the payroll more, 143 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: cut the payroll more, and the team continues to go 144 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: down and the fans have stopped showing up. It all 145 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: comes down to the pole AADs man, like if the 146 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: pole AADs don't want to do anything, they don't have 147 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: to because they on their team and guess what, it's 148 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: their decision and they're right as the owners man. Derek 149 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 2: Falvey was brought this team, helped this team to four 150 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: out of the nine years that he was in his 151 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: role to the playoffs. A team that you know, he 152 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: kind of helped build. What is there? What is Kurt 153 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: or what was there last year? 154 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: There? Now he had to tear that down. Like you 155 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: brought guys up from the minor leagues, you realized you 156 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: had to be, you know a little just weary of 157 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: where you're where you're making those changes or where you're 158 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: adding salary. And he did a great job. I think 159 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: they found a gold mine of pitching in a in 160 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: a place where hey, you know what, we're not gonna 161 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: pay for pitching. Hey, we're gonna add Luis Castillo to 162 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 3: the mix. Luis Castillo is going to give us this 163 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: at I forget what salaries he was locked into before. 164 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, not Luis Castillo, Lopez, Jorge Lopez, Pablo Lopez, 165 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: I got them all wrong. But he's he was willing 166 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: to trade. He was willing to trade from some of 167 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: that to give themselves those number ones, to give themselves 168 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: guys to add in with the youth. They went out 169 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: and got Correa like he wasn't afraid to make these moves. 170 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 3: And to me, I hope Twins fans think of his 171 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: tenure as successful. Art out with Paul Malader, I think 172 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: it was time for him to you know, new GM 173 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: comes in, makes the change goes to rock laball Delhi 174 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: and I think they were successful. Besides the twenty twenty 175 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: four collapse at the end of the year. I think 176 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: they were. It was a successful run, and I don't 177 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: think anything Falvey did deserve for a mutual departure. 178 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: That's why I don't think it's really mutual. I think 179 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: it's like you were saying eighty twenty. I mean, this 180 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: is a guy that's done a lot of good for 181 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: the organization, and if they're trying to cut costs, there's 182 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: more ways to do it than just trading away good players. 183 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: They can get rid of a guy that's probably making 184 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: you know, four or five million dollars. Dan, thanks so 185 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: much for joining us. We appreciate it very much. I 186 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: know it's a crazy day for you. What do you 187 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: make first of all of the timing of this news, 188 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks out from spring training. 189 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, that part is surreal absolutely. You know, look, six 190 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 4: weeks ago Tom poul Ed took over as the team's 191 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 4: new executive chair from his brother Joe, and basically a 192 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 4: year and change ago, the twins had started to explore 193 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 4: that sale, so we knew that there was gonna be 194 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 4: a new owner. I don't know that it was within 195 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 4: the own family that it was gonna be a new owner, 196 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 4: but I honestly think this is something where, you know, 197 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: Tom Pullad essentially took over after the winter meetings, and 198 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 4: you know, there's that winter break, and this is just 199 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 4: something where the two parties, Derek Falve and Tom Pullad 200 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 4: realized it was gonna be difficult to work together and 201 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 4: they made the choice now. But I mean, just to 202 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: you know, Tom pull Out even addressed that and said, 203 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: these are two personalities just thrown together. Derek Falvey kind 204 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 4: of referenced the same thing. Both of them spoke on 205 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 4: Zoom a little bit ago. I think it speaks to 206 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 4: the two of them realizing that it was not going 207 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 4: to be working, and I mean the fact that they're 208 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 4: willing to make this decision two weeks before spring training, 209 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 4: says speaks volumes. I think just about where the Twins 210 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 4: are trying to head and what maybe the reality of 211 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 4: the situation is. You know, Tom pull At at twins 212 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 4: Fest last week, came out and said, we want to 213 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: compete this year, and you know, I mean, that's that's 214 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 4: very you know, he talked about some of the missteps 215 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: that they've made in the last couple of years and 216 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 4: how they've gone to this point where they've cut payroll. 217 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 4: But you know, it's hard to switch lanes or to 218 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 4: turn the ship around so quickly they did. They gutted 219 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 4: their bullpen in July, and I think that things might 220 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 4: have if they knew they wanted to compete like this, 221 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 4: maybe things would have been a little different at the 222 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: trade deadline. It's hard to rebuild a bullpen on the 223 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 4: fly when you don't have a lot of money to 224 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 4: do so, tell. 225 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: Me if I'm wrong. But wasn't the reports when they 226 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 3: were looking to sell the team that there was somebody 227 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: from the pole Ad family that wanted to stay on 228 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: board as in like a pretty dominant role. And are 229 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 3: we kind of seeing that come to fruition now that 230 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: maybe Tom isn't the greatest to work with for people 231 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: who have been around the game. 232 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 4: Well, no, no, Look in that part, that was Joe Poulet, 233 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 4: who did continue to operate as the executive chair until 234 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 4: last month. He had hoped to stay in and be 235 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 4: part of a group that really wasn't going to ever happen, 236 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 4: because I would have meant that Pole AADs would have 237 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: sold without seeding power, and I don't think that you know, 238 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 4: part of that was he wanted to just oversee the transition. 239 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 4: But look, this is definitely an ambitious owner who realizes 240 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 4: that the Twins as they are the last couple of 241 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: years have been sort of a train wreck. I mean, 242 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: it's hard not to look at it and say where 243 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 4: they were twenty seven months ago. They won a playoff 244 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 4: game for the first time in eighteen playoff games, they 245 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 4: won their first playoff series in twenty one years at 246 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: the time, and then since then they've cut payroll, fired 247 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 4: David Popkins, fired Roco Baldelli, fired Dad Levine, had a 248 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 4: number of layoffs inside, like, this is not the same 249 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 4: place it was twenty seven months ago. And I think 250 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 4: when you think about all that stuff, I think Derek 251 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 4: Falve's been wearing a lot as they've endured some of 252 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 4: these financial hardships. I mean, we're talking about a team 253 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 4: that was making sixty million dollars annually, which was one 254 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 4: of the worst TV contracts in baseball. That was at 255 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 4: the end of twenty twenty three. Since then they got 256 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 4: a reduced contract for a year. They went to MLB TV, 257 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 4: which we don't know the numbers on. We just know 258 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: it's not sixty million. Their finances are in a tough 259 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: spot and I think a lot of things have changed 260 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 4: and you could see it on Derek Falve wearing on 261 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: him over these last two or three years. I mean, 262 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 4: he took this place. The joke was when he took over, 263 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 4: there were eight employees in Baseball ops. He built up 264 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: research and development, he built up their information systems. Basically, 265 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 4: he brought them into the twenty first century. And at 266 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 4: the time, I mean, there was a ton of money 267 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: spent on infrastructure. You've seen a lot of that go away. 268 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 4: I can't imagine what this is now is what he 269 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 4: envisioned it to be. And I think part of this 270 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: is just him saying, hey, this is probably the right time, 271 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: because if we're expected to compete, and we don't have 272 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 4: all the resources. You know, maybe this was going to 273 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 4: happen eventually, and maybe getting out now is the right time. 274 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: So you're, well, I have two questions. One, so you're 275 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: saying that you think this was mutual or was this 276 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: more because you're saying he's getting out at the right time, 277 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: so that I think I'll be wanted out. 278 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: I think that he probably had some say they really 279 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 4: started their discussions in the last week or two and 280 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: got to figure each other out. And I think that 281 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 4: owner is saying, let's win, win, win, and the reality 282 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 4: is this is a team that Vegas has them. I 283 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 4: think it's seventy one and a half wins right now. 284 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: The over underline, you know, you look at some of 285 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: the projections, they're higher the Vegas line. Was kind of 286 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 4: stunning to me to see that, because you know, there's 287 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: somewhere in the mid eighties essentially on the projection. But 288 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 4: they don't have a bullpen. They they the reality that 289 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: they can turn this around. It's going to be really challenging. 290 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: They need a lot of young guys to step up 291 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 4: and do things. And look, a couple of years ago, 292 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 4: they were extremely fortunate that you Duran went from starter 293 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 4: to elite reliever overnight, but that took a lot of 294 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: work where it was like he'd pitch every couple of days. 295 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 4: And Griffin Jacks looked great the first couple of months 296 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 4: of his transition, but then he wore down like any 297 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 4: like you'd expect a young starter to do. They're gonna 298 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 4: need a lot of that to compete immediately. They don't 299 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: have a book. They signed Taylor Rogers, which is a 300 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 4: nice piece to add for guys that can come in 301 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: and be a voice and a leader, but it's not 302 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: the Taylor Rodgers that they signed a couple of years ago. 303 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 4: They're missing a closer, they're missing multiple setupmen. They have 304 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 4: young guys who performed really well, I thought after the 305 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: trade deadline and Cole Sands and Cody Funderberg, But I mean, 306 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 4: like this, when you're looking to close out games, it's 307 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: you know, I don't see this as being more than 308 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 4: an eighty two to win, eighty three win team at best, 309 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 4: and who knows, maybe it could happen, but you need 310 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 4: Roy Sluis to bounce back. You need all these things 311 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: to happen. And I think when you look about that 312 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 4: reality and where things have gone. Derek Falvey knew that 313 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 4: if he kind of exited now, it might help save 314 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 4: other people's jobs. I mean, he loves the people he's 315 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 4: worked with. I got the sense that he felt like 316 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 4: he had some agency in leaving now. And the crazy 317 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 4: part is is that leaving now two weeks before the 318 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 4: season was the good option. So, I mean it speaks 319 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 4: volumes when you think about it. 320 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: It's a crazy The whole thing is a crazy story. 321 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: But there's one constant. Okay, I was there. Listen, the 322 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: pole Ad family bought them in what eighty four? They 323 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: win the World Series eighty seven to ninety one, right, 324 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: and that was old Carl. And then they went through 325 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: the nineties and they were terrible. I was there ninety eight, 326 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: ninety nine, two thousand. We were absolutely awful. There was 327 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: five hundred people at games in the Metrome. Right then 328 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: we get them back to where they're good, they're relevant, 329 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: they're really good. For a long time. They build target Field. 330 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: They say, target field is man, We're gonna spend money, 331 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: We're gonna do all these great things. Once we get 332 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: the stadium. Right then they go through target Field and 333 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: they go through ups and downs. Da da da Da 334 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: DA and then they win their first playoff series in 335 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Oh, we're cranking the payroll down. Okay. 336 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: The one constant is the Poli family. If they're so 337 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: miserable owning the Minnesota Twins, why don't they just sell 338 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: the team like they thought the deal was done, Why 339 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: don't they just go through it and say, you know what, guys, 340 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: we made two billion dollars off this. We had a 341 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 2: good run, we won two World series. Peace out AJ. 342 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: They need you to start a kickstarter or a GoFundMe 343 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 4: to get that money raised. They tried, and you know, 344 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 4: look when you're five hundred million dollars in debt, and 345 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 4: initially in March we reported four hundred and thirty and 346 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 4: that was before the interest payment was added on for 347 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 4: last year. And you know, interest payment I think is 348 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 4: in the forty million range. So they were five hundred 349 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: million in debt by October, and a lot of these 350 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 4: people looking at the books said, look, there could be 351 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 4: a lockout next year, there could be a work stoppage 352 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty seven. The team, it's it's hard to 353 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 4: take this five hundred million dollars in debt and see 354 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 4: us making money immediately, and when you're asking for you know, 355 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 4: I think they were. They sold the part sale. Partial 356 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 4: sale was at evaluation of one point seven five billion, 357 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 4: but that's one point seven five billion where the new 358 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: owners were expected to take on the debt. It's gonna 359 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: be hard to make money. So I don't think that 360 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 4: they took the best deal they could at the time. 361 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 4: I think, really, and I've written this, it primes them 362 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 4: better because they've paid down the bulk of the debt, 363 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 4: not all of the debt right now. It primes them 364 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 4: to be better once we get through the potential workstop page, 365 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 4: the next round of national TV contracts, it should be 366 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 4: much easier to sell in a couple of years. And 367 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 4: I think when you're the pull Auds, you know, Tom 368 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 4: Pollad came in and said, look, we've we've tripped all 369 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 4: over ourselves these last. 370 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: Couple of years. 371 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 4: We didn't explain where we were well and it set 372 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 4: us up for a lot of criticism. Fans are upset. 373 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 4: He's done a lot of work reaching out to disgruntled 374 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 4: former season ticket holders and trying to get them back, 375 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 4: and you know, he's doing all he can and he's 376 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 4: saying the right things, but when it comes to the 377 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 4: reality and how out of lines. I think that he's 378 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 4: a new guy trying to make a mark, but you 379 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 4: know where he wants to be and where they are 380 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 4: right now, especially after trading ten guys, there's a little 381 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 4: bit of a gap there. And look, I will say 382 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 4: this again, I think Derek Falvey saw the exit and 383 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 4: knew this was going to be the least the way 384 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 4: for it to be the least ugly as possible. But 385 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: I mean, just seeing him the last couple of years, 386 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 4: you could see the stress on him. He didn't want 387 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: to fire Roco ball Delli. I don't think he wanted 388 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: to make changes after the twenty twenty four season. You know, 389 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 4: it's just been an exodus between Dad Levine, Rocco David Popkins. 390 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 4: It's been a lot. I mean, to cut payroll thirty 391 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 4: million right after the playoffs in twenty twenty three, and 392 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 4: it's the kind of the peak of the twenty first 393 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 4: century for the Twins where they were at the time, 394 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 4: and to just go this direction for twenty seven months, 395 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 4: it's been a lot. You could see it on his 396 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 4: face at the trade deadline. He did not want trade 397 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 4: ten guys, but the plan changed and they were adapting. 398 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: Dan, I have a hard time listening to any major 399 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: League Baseball ownership group cry poor. I doubt that very seriously. 400 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: When you have a one point five billion dollar offer 401 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: on the table and seemingly turn it down, how were 402 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: they in debt? Is it just bad business decisions? Are 403 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: they Are they just biting off more than they can chew. 404 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: How does a team that can sell for one point 405 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: five billion have so much debt that they feel that 406 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: that's not an offer they can take. 407 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 4: I think part of it was timing. Look, you're talking 408 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 4: about a team that was coming off its most successful 409 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 4: season in a long time. In twenty nineteen. They had 410 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 4: drawn two point three million fans, They won the Division. 411 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: They set the major league record for home runs. I mean, 412 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: just wrap your head around that. That The Twins, the 413 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 4: light hitting Twins, hit three hundred and seven home runs. 414 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 4: The bomba squad was popular, they added Josh Donson covid hits. 415 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 4: They're expecting two point five to two point six million 416 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 4: fans to come through the turnstiles that year. They get no, 417 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 4: and I know that everybody got. They basically were the 418 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 4: salaries reduced and baseball did its part, but they kept 419 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 4: every employee, they paid their minor leaguers, They did a 420 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 4: bunch of things and that started a drain, and I 421 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 4: you know, it's about they've said that the bulk of 422 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 4: their debt and I would believe that somewhere between fifty 423 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 4: and sixty percent of the five hundred million came from 424 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 4: twenty twenty on. You lose the TV revenue, they have 425 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 4: not resonated with fans whatsoever. They were spending payroll at 426 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 4: an all time record high. You know, they brought in 427 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 4: Carlos Korea. That payroll was one hundred and sixty one million. 428 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: In twenty twenty three, they didn't draw two million fans, 429 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 4: even though they won the division. The next year, they 430 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 4: didn't draw two million fans. And the throw that in 431 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 4: with the loss of TV revenue and the fact that 432 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 4: that interest payment started to balloon and the last couple 433 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: of years being in excess of forty million dollars, that's 434 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 4: what they've contended. Obviously, we can't see Baseball's books, but 435 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 4: you know, I know the Washington Nationals were in a 436 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 4: similar position coming off the World Series, expecting to cash 437 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 4: in in twenty twenty, and that's poor timing for the 438 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 4: Twins because they've never At that point, they had just 439 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 4: signed Josh Donaldson. They were you know, ramping up and 440 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 4: looking to compete and sell it to fans and have 441 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 4: back to back playoff years. And they did have back 442 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 4: to back playoff years. But as the COVID shortened season 443 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 4: and twenty one they were a mess. Twenty two they 444 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 4: brought in coreb and still was a mess. It's been 445 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 4: an ugly time and fans have just stayed away. 446 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: For my last question for you, Dan, does this make 447 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: it less or more likely that Joe Ryan has moved. 448 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 3: No. 449 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 4: You know, that's the thing that Tom Paul had did 450 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: stress when we saw him last Friday at twins Fest. 451 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 4: He flew to see Byron Buxton. He flew to see 452 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 4: Joe Ryan. He knew Pablo Lopez was coming to twins Fest, 453 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 4: but he went. He flew to California, flew to Georgia 454 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 4: for lunch with those players, just to reach out and 455 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 4: stress how important they were to the culture of things 456 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 4: and where the Twins are headed. So at least for now, 457 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 4: I see those guys being on board. But you know, 458 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 4: if this team falls apart out of the gate, if 459 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 4: this team is terrible in July and Joe Ryan and 460 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 4: Pablo Lopez each have a year and a half left 461 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 4: on those contracts. All bets are off. 462 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: All right. One last person that wasn't brought up we 463 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: talked about players, front office, the fans that have been 464 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: getting calls Derek Shelton. Derek Shelton comes in under current 465 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 3: GM and now it's a new role. Where does this 466 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 3: let him? Where does this make him stand in the 467 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: sense that, hey, he's gonna he's gonna coach this team, 468 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 3: he's gonna manage this team. But is this what he 469 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 3: signed up for? Because if it isn't, then it's like crap, 470 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 3: Maybe I could have taken a different team or a 471 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 3: different job. 472 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 4: I mean, it's definitely you've got to be wondering what's 473 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 4: going through his head as of right now, just because 474 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 4: you know, he has said last week that the continuity 475 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 4: of message was the same between Joe Pollad and Tom Pollad. 476 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 4: But Derek Valley was in the picture at that point 477 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 4: and now he's not. Now, Jeremy Zohl has been Derek 478 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 4: Falve's right hand for the last couple of years and 479 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 4: had really taken over on the day to day baseball operations. 480 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 4: Derek Falvey was more the view from ten thousand feet 481 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 4: guy with the final approval and stuff, But I mean 482 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 4: Derek Valvey was certainly Jeremy's ol was certainly taking some 483 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 4: of the reins, so there is still that continuity. But 484 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 4: I mean it's definitely something where you have to wonder. 485 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 4: It's just natural to wonder when the guy that hired 486 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 4: you and the guy that you were very psyched to 487 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 4: work with is out, And certainly it's a question that 488 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 4: needs to be answered. The thing is that this will 489 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 4: all boil down to wins and losses, and they do believe, 490 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 4: and even Derek Valve talked about this at length today. 491 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 4: They believe in the young group of players they have here. 492 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 4: They think that there's a pipeline of talent coming and 493 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 4: that there's more on the way. I mean, this is 494 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 4: a team that picks third in the draft coming up 495 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 4: this year, so you know, all that said, if they 496 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 4: can win, you know a lot of this stuff gets solved. 497 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 4: But we've seen the Twins struggle to do the last 498 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 4: couple of years, and now you know they're doing it 499 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 4: with the new leader. So it's certainly uncertain times. 500 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: Dan apparently, while Derek Falley was doing his pre conference. 501 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: It looks like the GM of the Vikings was also fired. 502 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: I guess they're they're friends. They've known each other for 503 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: twenty years. They've been you know, exchanging texts and conversations 504 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: and things for a couple of decades. What's going on? 505 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: If I tell you, it's a tough time to be 506 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: a front office person and many right now. 507 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tough time to be in Minnesota right now. 508 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 4: And I think in general, it's just been weird. And 509 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 4: you know, QUESI and one of the reporters came on 510 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 4: and asked Derek about Questy getting fired, and you know, 511 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 4: he's shocked because Questy had sent Derek a note this 512 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 4: morning just of support. So it's it's definitely a weird day. 513 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 4: And I yeah, it's just a strange time for sure. 514 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan, we appreciate all the inside. I know today 515 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: was a crazy day for you. Thank you for taking 516 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: the time to be with us on on foul Territory. 517 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: You can check out more of his work, of course 518 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: on the Athletic And don't forget to subscribe to our 519 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: channel on YouTube. We are close to three hundred thousand subscribers. 520 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: So let's try to hit that number before the season starts. Dan, 521 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:35,719 Speaker 1: thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon. All right, 522 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: let's take a look at the Rangers regular season odds. Gentlemen, 523 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: do we think they will have over or under eighty 524 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: three and a half wins? AJ will start with you, 525 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: what do you think? 526 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 3: Hard? 527 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: Can we just give me an easy one? Uh, I'm 528 00:26:55,040 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: gonna go I'm gonna go under. I'm going to go under. 529 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I don't know that they've 530 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: done enough. I mean, I love de Gram and Valdi 531 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 2: and Mackenzie Gore at the top of the rotation. Just 532 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: until they show me they can hit. I'm going under. 533 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 2: And it's not as a former Ranger player and I 534 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 2: love my time in Texas. It pains me to say that, 535 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm going to go under. I think they're 536 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: a seventy eight to eighty one win team right now. 537 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: How much does the division play into your decision? 538 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think that you have to look at that. 539 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: I think the Mariners are going to be good again. 540 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 2: I think the A's will be better. I think the 541 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: Angels will be better with another year of some of 542 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: their young kids. And I think the Astros are still 543 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: the Astros, so it has to play into it, and 544 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: they play them in that division a lot. So I 545 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: just it pains me to say I think it's going 546 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: to be under. 547 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: Apparently Jeff Passon reporting that Jacob Wilson just got an 548 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: extension from the a's longtime, long term deal. There, Eric, 549 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: you taken the over or the under on the Texas 550 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: Rangers at eighty three and a half. 551 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: We have to take the over here. I get it. 552 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: Evaldi and de Grom another a healthy season, making their 553 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 3: twenty nine to thirty two starts. Yeah, that's rare. But 554 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: I just have a hard time believing that this offense 555 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 3: is going to continue the way it did. Is the Nemo? 556 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 3: Is the Nemo addition going to jump start this offense? 557 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 3: Is the subtraction of Adolis Garcia? How are they going 558 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 3: to figure out those home runs? This is a subtraction 559 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: of Marcus Simeon. Is the young youth that they're gonna 560 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 3: inject into the lineup? Are they going to do what 561 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 3: they did in August and September when they made that 562 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: little mini run that they were on. I take the 563 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 3: over just because I have to answer it. But I 564 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know if they're a playoff team. 565 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 3: I said it yesterday with the Brewers. I don't know 566 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: if they're a playoff team because of how the American 567 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: League is going to kind of be jumbled at the top, 568 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 3: and I think eighty seven wins is where you got 569 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 3: to be to make the playoffs in the American League. 570 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: And a new skipper, the helm of the Texas Rangers, 571 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: of course, Bruce Bochi no. 572 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 2: Longer their bullpen. Their bullpen worries me. I'm sorry, it 573 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: does still worry. I mean, Chris Martin. Okay, other than that, though, 574 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: someone's got a phone call. But other than that, who, 575 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: I mean, who who's going to be in their bullpen? 576 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 2: I mean, no offense, Alexis Diaz. 577 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 3: Too many question marks. 578 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. Certainly it's good, and they're any even 579 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: looking at their offense, it's still like. 580 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, time will tell, Time will tell. A lot can 581 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: happen between now and the end of the season. Guys, 582 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: don't forget. But MGM players will receive a Golf Odds 583 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: Boost token. To use the token at any golf wagers 584 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: to your bet slip and activate the token. If you 585 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: win your bet that was made with the Boost token, 586 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: you will receive extra winnings in unrestricted bonus dollars. Gambling 587 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: problem or concern called one eight hundred gambler. It is 588 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: time now, all right, we're slapping hands. Earlier on the 589 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: show this week, we talked about insurance regarding players not 590 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: being able to play in the World Baseball Classic, but 591 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: we look more into it. We wanted to clarify things 592 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: just for a hot second, and the main point is, guys, 593 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: that the World Baseball Classic insurance is for the teams themselves, 594 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: not the players, So the players under contract are never 595 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: at risk. It's more of the team not wanting the 596 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: player to participate in the WBC because they don't have 597 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: the insurance. If the player does in fact get hurt 598 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: and then they can't play for their big league club. 599 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: For example, Clayton Kershaw back in twenty twenty three could 600 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: not play. Carlos Korea is not going to play for 601 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: the Astros or for his team in the WBC, nor 602 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: is jose L Tuve because of an insurance reason. So 603 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: I guess you can understand aj from a team perspective, 604 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: why you wouldn't want your some of your star up 605 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: or any player to play in this without having some 606 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: sort of insurance policy if they get hurt. 607 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: Listen, deep down, no team wants their players to play 608 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: in this thing, deep down, like they will never say 609 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: that because they can't say that, because Edwin Diaz. We'll 610 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: use Edwin Diaz and he hurt his knee and missed 611 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: the whole year for the Mets that year. Right, God forbid, 612 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: somebody has something like that happened to get and it 613 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: affects a team season like you did for the Mets 614 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: that year. So I know these games mean more than 615 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: playoff games to Scott and Eric, but at the end 616 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: of the day, they're just exhibition games. Yes they mean 617 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: a lot for your country. Yes they mean a lot 618 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: to the players, but deep down the teams will never 619 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: admit it. But no team really wants any of their 620 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: players playing in this. 621 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: That's fair, I agree. 622 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: Is it fair to the player though, to not let 623 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: a team play or not let a player play, because 624 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean, technically, I mean they are your employer. Your employer, 625 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: I guess, does have the right to say you're not 626 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: going to play. 627 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: Here's my question, Alana, if God forbid again, Carlos Crea 628 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 2: goes in place for Puerto Rico and something happens, and 629 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: he's out for a long time, and the Astros were 630 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: counting on him or out tuove either one and the 631 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: Astros are counting on them. And then it the Astros 632 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: don't make the playoffs because Carlos Korea, god forbid, missed 633 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 2: the entire season. That's a problem. That's that's something that 634 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: the Astros deep down or like, man, I really wish 635 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 2: you wouldn't have played, but we didn't tell him. No, 636 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: we should have, but we didn't want to make him angry. 637 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: It puts everybody in a bad spot. There's no good 638 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: time to play this. It just puts everybody kind of 639 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: in a bad spot, and you just pray and hope 640 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 2: that nobody gets injured. 641 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,239 Speaker 1: I think that's a good point too. There is no 642 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: you can't do it at the beginning of the season. 643 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: You can't do it at the end of the season. 644 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: The season is you know, it's too long. There isn't 645 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: a great time to play it. But I do think 646 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: it is so important, especially if you see the rise 647 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: and the interest guys from Team USA. I mean some 648 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: of the superstars are saying, you know what, I'm playing 649 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: in this It's important to me now, probably more important 650 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: to Team USA now than it has been in WBC's 651 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: in the past. I mean, it's a it's a tough 652 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: it's a tough road to to ho there when you 653 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: know you want to play for your country. 654 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: Younger. A lot of them are younger. Though also a 655 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: lot of them, the USA players are a little bit younger. 656 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 2: The schemes and the position players. It's a little less. 657 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,959 Speaker 2: You really worry about pitchers obviously in arm injuries, but 658 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: a lot of the US players are on the young 659 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: Bobby Wit you know. So listen, let's just let's just 660 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: hope and pray that nobody gets hurt. Okay, that's it. 661 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 2: Let's let's hope we have unbelievable games like we did 662 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: last time, nobody gets hurt, and at the end of 663 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 2: this we say baseball is amazing, like we all know 664 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: what it is, and go USA. 665 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: Go USA, all right? Another thing coming out here breaking 666 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: news from Jeff Passon, a ESPN shortstop. Jacob Wilson and 667 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: the Athletics are in agreement on a seven year, seventy 668 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: million dollar contract extension. That's a lot of money for 669 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: the A's that includes an eight year club option, Sources 670 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: telling him Wilson twenty three, finished second in ALE Rookie 671 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: of the Year voting last season. I believe to Nick 672 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: Hurtz's team rate right after hitting three eleven, three fifty five, 673 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: four forty four. What do you think about this? 674 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 3: Ek great for him. Anytime you can get your money, 675 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 3: anytime you can get your money up front, you look 676 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 3: at the but you know, for me, I also would 677 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 3: look at the earning potential for him seven years, seventy million, 678 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 3: So he's giving up one or two years of his 679 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 3: free agency. But earning potential in the arbitration process is 680 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 3: RBIs how often you spend time on the field and 681 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 3: dingers And he doesn't necessarily do that. And I don't 682 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 3: think he's taking this because ooh, I'm afraid of getting hurt. 683 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 3: I think they've built something in Sacramento. I was almost 684 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 3: gonna say Oakland in Sacramento where it's like, these guys 685 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 3: want to be here. Rooks signed, Soderstrom, just signed loal Dog, 686 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 3: Lawrence Butler signed like these. This means that they are 687 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 3: putting those offers out there. I know back in the 688 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 3: day they offered, they offered Matt Chapman to stay there 689 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 3: and it wasn't enough money and He made the good 690 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 3: decision too, and he made a lot more money doing it. 691 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 3: You can never tell somebody it's not a good deal 692 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 3: for you. I mean, Jacob's dad played in the Big League, 693 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 3: so he knows. He knows, you know, how finite careers 694 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 3: can be, and they can't. You know, it doesn't always 695 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 3: you don't always hit three eleven. And that's actually down 696 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 3: from where he was before. But to me, I think 697 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 3: it's a great deal. I think it is something that 698 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 3: will set obviously him up for life, but it's also 699 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 3: giving him certainty over this next seven years and allows 700 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 3: him to go into free agency. I'm sure there's some 701 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 3: kind of team option at the end too, So at 702 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 3: thirty or thirty one years. 703 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: Old, yeah, eighth year club option. I remember Guy's money. 704 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: Grandel guys one time told me, get as much money 705 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: as you can when you can get it. You know, 706 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: like you don't know what's going to happen. He you 707 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: doesn't know what's going to happen within the next seven years. 708 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 1: But there's something to be said, aj and you certainly 709 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: know more than I with the length of time you 710 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: played in the BIGS and your contract negotiations, there's something 711 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: to be said about having that certainty that at least 712 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: for seven years he knows where he's going to be. 713 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: And I mean ten million dollars a year is nothing 714 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: to you know, nothing to shake a stick out. 715 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: Ye Listen, he got his money. He got he got 716 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: money that will set him up for life and not 717 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 2: everyone's given this opportunity, so it's hard to tell somebody 718 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 2: not to take it. I'm happy for him. I'm happy 719 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: for him, you know what. I'm happy for A's fans, 720 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: and I'm happy for the A's in general. They've signed 721 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 2: some of these guys. They have a team that's going 722 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 2: to be around for a little while. But I will 723 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 2: say this, it also makes you easier to be traded 724 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 2: because of the because know exactly how much you're going 725 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: to make for the rest of your contract. So yes, 726 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: as great as it is, and you know that, and 727 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: everyone's let's pat the A's on the back and say 728 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 2: way to go Sacramento A's and Vegas A's. But at 729 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 2: the end of the day, also you can be traded 730 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 2: unless you have full note trade, which I doubt any 731 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 2: of these contracts have. It also makes easier trade because when 732 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: you go to a team, you can say Hey, you 733 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: can have Jacob Wilson. He's got three years thirty five 734 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 2: left on this contract. That's a steal in today's market. Boom, 735 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 2: there you go. 736 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, well he'll be when he hits free agency, he'll 737 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 1: be thirty. That's still relatively young. Before we say goodbye 738 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: and get to Kratz's hats, I wanted to give a 739 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: shout out to our girl, Emily Walden. She does a 740 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: tremendous job. She does a lot of stuff in the 741 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: Tigers market, she does a lot of minor league stuff. 742 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: She's a Michigan native. She was in remission from cancer 743 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: and unfortunately the cancer has returned. But she's going to 744 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: fight this just as fiercely as she did before. But 745 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: with this type of diagnosis, obviously it's a lot of 746 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 1: time away from work and she could use our help. 747 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: And I know that the baseball community has rallied around 748 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: Emily before. I'm just asking if you can, if you're 749 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: led to, if you're if you're in the position to 750 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: do so, please go to her gofund me. You can 751 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: see it there under my ex and her ex as well. 752 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: It's on Instagram as well. Just help her out. She 753 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: does so much for the sport that we all love. 754 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: And you know, hopefully we can support Emily Emily as well, 755 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: So if you're led to do it, I appreciate that 756 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,479 Speaker 1: very much. All right, before we say goodbye, how about 757 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: krat's hats? What do you got on today? 758 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 4: Ka? 759 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 3: I mean for Kenllley maybe maybe Producer Ladies for Kelly 760 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 3: Jameson is a Tiger's. 761 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 1: Hat and forgetting Yeah, I love it. 762 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 3: And this is Producer Ladies, one of her favorite, one 763 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 3: of her favorite teams. 764 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. It's a nice that's a nice hat. 765 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 1: All right, guys, have a great weekend. Appreciate you guys 766 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: very much. Letting me pinch hit today for Scott Broun. 767 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: Have a great weekend, everybody. Foul Territory rolls on. We'll 768 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 1: be back on Monday. We'll see you then. Take care.