1
00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,720
Speaker 1: Previously on Weedian House.

2
00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,160
Speaker 2: Hillside Villa is a low income apartment complex in Chinatown

3
00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,600
Speaker 2: and the tenants have been fighting for six years. Six

4
00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,319
Speaker 2: years ago, their rents were protected by something called a

5
00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,280
Speaker 2: covenant which restricted their rents to affordable levels. But as

6
00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,400
Speaker 2: soon as that covenant expired, their landlord tried to raise

7
00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,600
Speaker 2: their rent like by you know, really punishing levels, and

8
00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,040
Speaker 2: so the tenants actually organized and have been fighting back. So, yeah,

9
00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,960
Speaker 2: the Hillsidevilla tenants, they really changed the conversation about housing.

10
00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,000
Speaker 3: Anybody's supposed to have a roof over the head, even

11
00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,640
Speaker 3: if you're rich or poor. Nobody's supposed to live on

12
00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,520
Speaker 3: the street on those conditionions. Housing is a basic human

13
00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,279
Speaker 3: right that these rich, greedy people don't understand and they

14
00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,560
Speaker 3: take it like a business, you know, to make money

15
00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:55,600
Speaker 3: for them.

16
00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,880
Speaker 4: Welcome to Whedian House. I'm your host Neo Henderson. Today

17
00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,680
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about the impact that Grant's Pass

18
00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:11,880
Speaker 4: as it applies to Almonte, California. But first and House News.

19
00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,119
Speaker 4: It's been eighty one days since the Grants Pass ruling

20
00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,760
Speaker 4: has been handed down. Here are the growing list of

21
00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:25,040
Speaker 4: unhoused sweeps in California. Santa Monica, which is looking to

22
00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:31,199
Speaker 4: ban blankets and pillows, Long Beach, San Juaquin County, which

23
00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:36,600
Speaker 4: is making the unhoused move three hundred feet every hour

24
00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,919
Speaker 4: to avoid arrest. Fresno, whereas now illegal to camp anywhere

25
00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,240
Speaker 4: at any time, even if there is no shelter available.

26
00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:54,720
Speaker 4: San Diego County, San Francisco. Beginning August first, twenty twenty four,

27
00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,760
Speaker 4: Mayor London Breed promised that aggressive sweeps will begin and

28
00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:06,640
Speaker 4: raise the Grand's pass ruling. Chico, California, Home Springs California,

29
00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:14,119
Speaker 4: Central Valley, California, Little Tokyo, California, and lastly, where I'll

30
00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,679
Speaker 4: be taking you later in this episode, al Monte, California.

31
00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,200
Speaker 4: It is important to note that fourteen cities and one

32
00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,720
Speaker 4: county in California alone have passed new ordinances to make

33
00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:32,160
Speaker 4: anti unhoused laws more punitive. Our next story, given the

34
00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,040
Speaker 4: grants past ruling, I have two questions for our listeners today.

35
00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,120
Speaker 4: How many children are unhoused in the state of Oregon.

36
00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,360
Speaker 4: The answer is eight hundred and thirty six thousand, nine

37
00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,040
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty eight children, a number taken from the

38
00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,920
Speaker 4: National Alliance Coalition to in Houselessness. The next question I

39
00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,880
Speaker 4: have for our listeners is how many unhoused people were

40
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,240
Speaker 4: arrested due to Ordinance forty one to eighteen in Los

41
00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,880
Speaker 4: Angeles between the years twenty sixteen and twenty twenty two.

42
00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,040
Speaker 4: The answer is seventeen thousand, three hundred and seventy two,

43
00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,000
Speaker 4: a number taken from the website a controller Kenneth Maheath.

44
00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,960
Speaker 4: Our last story takes us to San Diego, California, where

45
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,880
Speaker 4: an organization called The Rescue Mission must pay forty three

46
00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:39,480
Speaker 4: thousand dollars after limiting access to emotional support animals. The

47
00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 4: Rescue Mission must now also update its animal policy and

48
00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:48,560
Speaker 4: enrolled staff and training programs about the rights of disabled individuals.

49
00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,200
Speaker 1: And that is on House News.

50
00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,440
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to do a deep

51
00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,160
Speaker 4: dive using real life accounts from the House impacted by

52
00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,400
Speaker 4: Grant's Pass and Governor gavinan Neusom's executive order on the

53
00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:13,200
Speaker 4: residence of Almonte, California.

54
00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,040
Speaker 1: And we're back.

55
00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,080
Speaker 4: For those that are tuning into my show for the

56
00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,080
Speaker 4: first time, I want to take the time to describe

57
00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,800
Speaker 4: what the Grants Pass Supreme Court decision is and how

58
00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:31,080
Speaker 4: it impacts unhoused community members. The unhoused community knows violence.

59
00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,480
Speaker 4: They are not comfortable with it, but they expect it

60
00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,320
Speaker 4: and have found ways to cope with the violence. In

61
00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,200
Speaker 4: California and the surrounding La County areas, unhoused community members

62
00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,080
Speaker 4: are no strangers to forty one eighteen and other ordinances

63
00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:54,839
Speaker 4: that erase and criminalize their existence. With Martin Versus Boise,

64
00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,200
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court declared it was cruel and unusual punishment

65
00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,120
Speaker 4: to criminalize unhoused people for existing. The Supreme Court Grant's

66
00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:10,080
Speaker 4: past ruling has superseded Martin versus Poise. Grant's pass in

67
00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,839
Speaker 4: short says it's okay to unleash the dogs of cruelty

68
00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,720
Speaker 4: and unbridled violence against the unhoused.

69
00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,400
Speaker 1: Grand Pass says it is now not cruel.

70
00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,400
Speaker 4: And unusual punishment to criminalize unhoused people for existing.

71
00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,200
Speaker 1: They do not have to.

72
00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:36,000
Speaker 4: Offer services, shelter, close or blankets, or any type of

73
00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,760
Speaker 4: humane gesture when dealing with the unhoused community. You will

74
00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,080
Speaker 4: hear in this show some of the empty gestures made

75
00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,800
Speaker 4: by law enforcement and the Army Corps of Engineers. Please

76
00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,800
Speaker 4: pay close attention to ACLU lawyer cath Rogers' perspective on

77
00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,520
Speaker 4: the matter and her work with the unhoused community.

78
00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,200
Speaker 1: We'll be speaking with her later on in this episode.

79
00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,640
Speaker 4: This episode, you will hear unhoused people trying to cope

80
00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,400
Speaker 4: with the new information and reality. And here in the backdrop,

81
00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,200
Speaker 4: the La County Sheriffs and the Army Corps of Engineers

82
00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,840
Speaker 4: aren't fisted defense of the indefensible in a heat wave.

83
00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,599
Speaker 4: Here are some dire facts I want you to sit with.

84
00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,280
Speaker 4: According to a twenty twenty three investigation by the Los

85
00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,039
Speaker 4: Angeles Times, nearly half of the deaths that were heat

86
00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:34,320
Speaker 4: related deaths were unhoused people. Bear in mind this sweep

87
00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,280
Speaker 4: occurred during a heat wave advisory that impacted many unhoused

88
00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,440
Speaker 4: community members with age and health challenges. This is their

89
00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:49,440
Speaker 4: story and Elmonte sweep is unique in this way. First,

90
00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,440
Speaker 4: the terrain of the area works against you. If you're

91
00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,919
Speaker 4: someone who has to move all your belongings through the

92
00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,240
Speaker 4: algae on the riverbed, who are up the big level incline,

93
00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,240
Speaker 4: people must scale to get out of the riverbed in

94
00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:05,000
Speaker 4: the first place.

95
00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,560
Speaker 1: It's not going to be easy.

96
00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,240
Speaker 4: If you have disabilities like I do, it's all but impossible.

97
00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:17,200
Speaker 4: Even alternative waves are physically punishing full of thicket and rocks,

98
00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,880
Speaker 4: and uneven surfaces that could easily result in a fall.

99
00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,000
Speaker 4: And remember this is during a heat wave and the

100
00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,800
Speaker 4: triple digits. You have to be Indiana Jones to navigate this.

101
00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,560
Speaker 4: But the unhoused being swept were doing so in extremely

102
00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:38,640
Speaker 4: difficult and traumatic circumstances. Secondly, people are being swept very quickly.

103
00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,680
Speaker 4: When the sheriff arrived at the scene, unhoused people were

104
00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,880
Speaker 4: only given fifteen minutes to gather and move their things

105
00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,480
Speaker 4: through this terrain or risk arrest if they came back later.

106
00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,200
Speaker 4: When asked why it needed to happen that quickly, people

107
00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,280
Speaker 4: were told by the sharfs that they had been worn

108
00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:01,520
Speaker 4: and given time to prepare. I arrived in Elmonty on

109
00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:08,600
Speaker 4: a Friday morning. This was the scene. This is the

110
00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,040
Speaker 4: first initial observations of what's going on with the sweep

111
00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:18,880
Speaker 4: here today on Friday, September the sixth, and here is

112
00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,400
Speaker 4: some of the things that I first noticed.

113
00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,720
Speaker 1: The heat. It's already earlier at.

114
00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,400
Speaker 4: Six thirty ish in the morning, and it's already going

115
00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,320
Speaker 4: to wrap up to be a very hot morning. The

116
00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,240
Speaker 4: second thing is the location. It's kind of near the

117
00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,360
Speaker 4: wash area near the La River. And also the thing

118
00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,559
Speaker 4: that it is it's a lot of rough terrain. It's

119
00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,440
Speaker 4: very difficult to navigate, so it chances are it will

120
00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,280
Speaker 4: be difficult to navigate to get out. The third thing

121
00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,760
Speaker 4: did also notice is the difficulty traversing this place. I

122
00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,880
Speaker 4: slipped and fell a couple of times. And now I'm

123
00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,760
Speaker 4: also near behind the golf course. There are law enforcements

124
00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,920
Speaker 4: here station where they's bind to pick up the unhow

125
00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,480
Speaker 4: those communities trash or things that they deem trash. The

126
00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,800
Speaker 4: most important thing to notice here is it seems like

127
00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,240
Speaker 4: the community is a bit resigned for the inevitable, and

128
00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,439
Speaker 4: the inevitable is that they have to leave, and they

129
00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,360
Speaker 4: are trying to extricate themselves as smoothly as quickly as

130
00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,760
Speaker 4: possible without an aggressive push from law enforcement. That question

131
00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,600
Speaker 4: becomes where they go. According to the official verdict or

132
00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,360
Speaker 4: visual statements, it's that they are going to be put

133
00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,479
Speaker 4: into either.

134
00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,360
Speaker 1: Hotels or places or shelters.

135
00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,160
Speaker 4: They're saying that they claim that they have shelters, but

136
00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,760
Speaker 4: the reality is that they are going to drive them

137
00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,160
Speaker 4: to a shelter and then they'll start the process to

138
00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,320
Speaker 4: see if they can get in. If they cannot, they're

139
00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,400
Speaker 4: still going to be out on the street. The point

140
00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,560
Speaker 4: of it is is to move them away from this area.

141
00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,040
Speaker 4: One thing they've note about this area that is very

142
00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:03,320
Speaker 4: different from other areas. Some similarities near Harbor City Freeway,

143
00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,800
Speaker 4: but the difference with this is it's a NIMBI has

144
00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,760
Speaker 4: to really work at trying to hunt down unhoused people

145
00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,880
Speaker 4: or find the reasons to complain about unhouse people. That's

146
00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,920
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why when Grant's Pass was passed,

147
00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,000
Speaker 4: it removes a lot of the subterfuge.

148
00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:21,560
Speaker 1: If you will.

149
00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,600
Speaker 4: This a better word of why they're removing people this

150
00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:31,079
Speaker 4: subterfuge is is because they're near land mass of pervincial

151
00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,760
Speaker 4: for wildfires and other things. But they're behind the golf

152
00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,520
Speaker 4: course and you have to look again for the young

153
00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,920
Speaker 4: house unless you're actively trying to seek them. They're not

154
00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,280
Speaker 4: on the golf course. They're behind the golf course where

155
00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,800
Speaker 4: the golf course has a fence. So the only reason

156
00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,080
Speaker 4: is that you have to face is that they don't

157
00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,720
Speaker 4: want to see unhoused people anywhere, and they're going to

158
00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,640
Speaker 4: do everything in their power to make sure that that happens.

159
00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,120
Speaker 4: This time, the bad players are the Army Corps of

160
00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:05,360
Speaker 4: Engineers instead of being the city itself, trying to justify

161
00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,400
Speaker 4: by saying the business owners or the people, you're near

162
00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,120
Speaker 4: a school, or you're near homes.

163
00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,680
Speaker 1: These are at homes.

164
00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:19,760
Speaker 4: It's very idyllic out here, has great views, you can

165
00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,200
Speaker 4: watch the sunrise, and it's very quiet and tranquil, So

166
00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:28,560
Speaker 4: there is very little reason for you to bother the

167
00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:35,240
Speaker 4: vulnerable out here, to say, Los Angeles County Sheriff Kingsley

168
00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,760
Speaker 4: Obershure presented a nice, nasty demeanor that gave off intimidating

169
00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,120
Speaker 4: vibes to anyone who engaged with him.

170
00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:43,239
Speaker 1: Isn't understated.

171
00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,680
Speaker 4: He made no bones about wanting to arrest Pe, and

172
00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,840
Speaker 4: was not shy about saying so, not just to the unhoused,

173
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,000
Speaker 4: but to activists there to assist and advocate for them.

174
00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:55,800
Speaker 1: His justification for.

175
00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,679
Speaker 4: Taking such a hard nosed approach was that people had

176
00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,760
Speaker 4: been worn said that they want services, and this is

177
00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:02,320
Speaker 4: what they get.

178
00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So what is.

179
00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,880
Speaker 5: Your overall go Because I'm not gonna sit here all day.

180
00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,200
Speaker 5: I got got a job to do.

181
00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,560
Speaker 1: Our goal is to sort of figure out what y'all

182
00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,120
Speaker 1: are doing. As I explained earlier, it's a clean up.

183
00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so I don't know what else you want

184
00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,080
Speaker 5: me to explain.

185
00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,640
Speaker 1: How else do you want me to explain it? But

186
00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,920
Speaker 1: that's what we're here for. Okay, I'm gonna make it clear.

187
00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,000
Speaker 1: If you guys interfere, you will go to jail for interference.

188
00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,800
Speaker 5: What if interfere means you delay us from cleaning and

189
00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,880
Speaker 5: in the way, anything that instructs from them cleaning or

190
00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,000
Speaker 5: disrupted from cleaning, you will go to jail.

191
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,560
Speaker 1: But I think everybody here is trying to help get

192
00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:32,880
Speaker 1: it good.

193
00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,280
Speaker 5: But I want trying to be let me just finish.

194
00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,240
Speaker 5: I'm trying to be fair and I'm explaining it. So

195
00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,760
Speaker 5: in the case an event happens, which I'm not saying

196
00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,000
Speaker 5: it will, and I hope it doesn't, everybody's aware and

197
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,400
Speaker 5: we're all on the same page, so there's no miscommunication

198
00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,160
Speaker 5: of what's going on and what's gonna happen in that sense.

199
00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,360
Speaker 5: So any obstruction, delaying the cleaning crew, anything like that,

200
00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:56,480
Speaker 5: you will go to jail.

201
00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,679
Speaker 1: Point plane, Okay, cool.

202
00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,680
Speaker 5: So who do you guys have that's over here that you.

203
00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,079
Speaker 1: Need to help ill?

204
00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,360
Speaker 5: Really, I don't know if you have, nobody's been you

205
00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,559
Speaker 5: guys can continue.

206
00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,600
Speaker 4: But I'm not saying that there isn't anybody I like

207
00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:10,959
Speaker 4: this one.

208
00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,640
Speaker 1: No one's here, so we're good with that.

209
00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,560
Speaker 5: So let's stop loitering around, hanging around abody. You guys

210
00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,839
Speaker 5: can help. It's helping you about the way so we

211
00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:20,600
Speaker 5: can start cleaning.

212
00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,800
Speaker 4: After we spoke with the sheriff, the sweep began and

213
00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,160
Speaker 4: I bought witness to the scene. Supporters from the for

214
00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,400
Speaker 4: the Young House out here helping with the moving operation

215
00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,880
Speaker 4: even though it's after seven, and then giving to go

216
00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,040
Speaker 4: ahead to start to sweep the Young house. The sheriffs

217
00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:45,160
Speaker 4: are ever increasingly are going to be approaching. They're holding

218
00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,480
Speaker 4: court with some of the people that are asking them

219
00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,880
Speaker 4: some questions. The tone is very matter of fact. It's helpful,

220
00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,199
Speaker 4: but this this what we call nights nasty. They told

221
00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,600
Speaker 4: that we're going to be arrested if we obstruct sanitation

222
00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:05,599
Speaker 4: or the operation in any way, and they want to

223
00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:11,160
Speaker 4: save a rattle very quickly. Is to start maybe kickoff

224
00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,600
Speaker 4: of confrontation. But there's people are getting coming together, helping

225
00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,040
Speaker 4: move as much as possible many of the stuff for

226
00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,840
Speaker 4: the other house. Interviewing unhoused people in the throes of

227
00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,080
Speaker 4: sweeps is usually something I don't do as a practice

228
00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,760
Speaker 4: from my own experience. You're stressed out, you're intimidated, and

229
00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,840
Speaker 4: based on how the sheriff was behaving, an unhoused person

230
00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,560
Speaker 4: would want to stay focused on moving and not angering

231
00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:39,960
Speaker 4: the person displacing them.

232
00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,640
Speaker 1: But it was important to have.

233
00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,640
Speaker 4: This discussion in Elmonte for the simple fact of gauging

234
00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,200
Speaker 4: folks understanding of the grants, past ruling and what their

235
00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,080
Speaker 4: next steps would be.

236
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,640
Speaker 1: I got a chance to speak with two long term residents.

237
00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,680
Speaker 4: Who were being swept, Denise and Gabriel, about their feelings

238
00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,720
Speaker 4: in the moment as the bulldozers came out, more about

239
00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,920
Speaker 4: what rants passed will mean for them.

240
00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so I have So what happened.

241
00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,720
Speaker 6: I had already been asking for.

242
00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,520
Speaker 5: You know, this is for already.

243
00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,440
Speaker 6: It's been a long time. So they happen to see

244
00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,560
Speaker 6: me here and recognize me, and then they said you're

245
00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,080
Speaker 6: still here, and I said yes, and so they I

246
00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,800
Speaker 6: kind of pushed them a little more and pushed them

247
00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:24,680
Speaker 6: into the specific girl.

248
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:25,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know where she was.

249
00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,800
Speaker 6: But they put me in a motel. Okay, thank god,

250
00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:28,880
Speaker 6: but for five days.

251
00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,680
Speaker 1: So so what happens at.

252
00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,280
Speaker 6: Five I don't know, you know, after five days, and

253
00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,560
Speaker 6: I just said to them I need to kind of

254
00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,720
Speaker 6: look vacuum. So this week the things, you know, and

255
00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,920
Speaker 6: so it's been like fresh resh wresh.

256
00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,520
Speaker 4: They're stating that they came August twelfth to talk to

257
00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,720
Speaker 4: you guys, and they came up a few days before

258
00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,440
Speaker 4: to talk to you guys. And then they said that

259
00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,720
Speaker 4: they off work resources, which technically five days. That she

260
00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,600
Speaker 4: gets them off the hook. That they did offer something

261
00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,760
Speaker 4: they didn't offer you like housing of.

262
00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,440
Speaker 6: Them, I asked them, and that the posting of the

263
00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,440
Speaker 6: information was not where everyone.

264
00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:01,640
Speaker 7: Could see it.

265
00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,720
Speaker 4: And okay, that's the that's the second thing, because I

266
00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,080
Speaker 4: didn't see any Yeah, so that's because.

267
00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,880
Speaker 6: Like they've done that to us when we were on

268
00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:15,840
Speaker 6: the sidewalk there. But they they then of course they

269
00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,280
Speaker 6: did put our stuff they're supposed to, you know, like

270
00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,160
Speaker 6: for ninety days. But these guys are just that. Yeah,

271
00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,640
Speaker 6: that's what I want.

272
00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,880
Speaker 4: To also ask you about because most most people that

273
00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,800
Speaker 4: are living out here because I lived out downtown, and

274
00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,760
Speaker 4: they do something similar to this.

275
00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,320
Speaker 6: And all that. Ye had a comment, but they did

276
00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,760
Speaker 6: it to us last year? Was it last two years?

277
00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:45,160
Speaker 1: So it was Christmas? Oh my god, the.

278
00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,360
Speaker 6: Last time before it was Thanksgiving?

279
00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,520
Speaker 1: Why did you do it on the holiday. I don't know,

280
00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,160
Speaker 1: I want to actually have.

281
00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:53,880
Speaker 8: Yeah.

282
00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,680
Speaker 4: Have you guys heard of Grant's past, You know what

283
00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,120
Speaker 4: Branch Passes and Grant's Oregon, there was an unhoused community

284
00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,160
Speaker 4: like this year that was being targeted the same way

285
00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,520
Speaker 4: it's being targeted here. The Supreme Court passed the ruling

286
00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,800
Speaker 4: that says that they are allowed to sweep unhoused people

287
00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,840
Speaker 4: without offering in the services and you don't leave immediately,

288
00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,040
Speaker 4: that you're subjected to all of the criminal penalties, which

289
00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,480
Speaker 4: is why that notice has all of those legal violations

290
00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,040
Speaker 4: that they claim.

291
00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,080
Speaker 1: That they are house people. Yeah, so what's your thoughts

292
00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:27,320
Speaker 1: on it?

293
00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,159
Speaker 4: Do you think that's a good idea to start to

294
00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,679
Speaker 4: punish people that are living on the street, don't have

295
00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:31,640
Speaker 4: no resources.

296
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,800
Speaker 6: It's just I think it's it's been a long It's

297
00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,560
Speaker 6: it's been six years years than me.

298
00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

299
00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've been here nine years. My bullies are nineteen years.

300
00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,639
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Oh I'm sorry to hear that.

301
00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,280
Speaker 9: And he's felt the same way.

302
00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, how did how did you become unhoused? I got

303
00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,960
Speaker 4: sick and couldn't afford the bills, so you were feting.

304
00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,520
Speaker 9: Bully was sick he was prategic, okay, and he was

305
00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,640
Speaker 9: dying head camp. You think you're so I can help

306
00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,440
Speaker 9: him out, exting eight years and then he passed away.

307
00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,640
Speaker 6: You have in here nine years old.

308
00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that, young, What about you.

309
00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,480
Speaker 6: I was served with restraint and ordered papers to get

310
00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,960
Speaker 6: me out of my home because I my mother didn't

311
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,040
Speaker 6: like the fact that I inherited. But she changed the

312
00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,760
Speaker 6: paperwork and the cops worked for her to get me

313
00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,439
Speaker 6: out and I can't seem to get back in the

314
00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:28,600
Speaker 6: simple city is terrible with us, me and my my brother.

315
00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,320
Speaker 6: They don't like me because I went ahead and fought

316
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,280
Speaker 6: for his right, I mean a brutality right after Rodney King.

317
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,920
Speaker 6: That's when this happened. And so I won for my brother,

318
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,440
Speaker 6: kept him out from you know, they nearly killed him.

319
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,639
Speaker 6: So they harassed me like twenty three times, pulling me

320
00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,159
Speaker 6: over within two years. And that's a lot. And it

321
00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,640
Speaker 6: just goes on, you know, and put my being here.

322
00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,400
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's tough, but I don't get

323
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,600
Speaker 6: harassed in here versus just if I just go out

324
00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,280
Speaker 6: to walk, go to the store. You know, you know,

325
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,200
Speaker 6: it's awful. And I didn't even have a parking ticket,

326
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,200
Speaker 6: so I don't trust them, but you know, that's how

327
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,199
Speaker 6: that happened to me. And I wish I want to

328
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,439
Speaker 6: go back home, but they don't seem to help me

329
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,880
Speaker 6: to like reunification. It could be back to chop it off.

330
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,840
Speaker 4: They're my houses, you know what I mean.

331
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to hear that.

332
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,720
Speaker 6: You don't have different stories.

333
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 1: So what's your plan for if they run you out

334
00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,360
Speaker 1: of here? Because guys, are you guys going to come back?

335
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 9: Or they have a legal right music, Well, they.

336
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:32,440
Speaker 1: Got grants pass.

337
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 4: Now they don't have to necessarily offer any services if

338
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 4: they see you back here. But right, it doesn't matter that,

339
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. They're working in concert with the market

340
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,920
Speaker 4: Corps of Engineers.

341
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 1: So they don't want you on the land.

342
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,120
Speaker 4: And then when Grant's passes passed all over the country,

343
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 4: whether it's county or federal, that's what that's that's.

344
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 6: What the loss of the things who's trying to get

345
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 6: you know, I was telling them, it's not going to

346
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,119
Speaker 6: be the same like before.

347
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,159
Speaker 9: If you happen to you know, just you.

348
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 4: Should on the strength of that Grant's pass is alleviated

349
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 4: and freed them to do what they've been wanting to do.

350
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 4: What has held them at bay was Martin versus Voice,

351
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 4: which was the Supreme Court at the time, stated it's

352
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 4: cruel and unusual punishment to start to criminalize on house

353
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 4: people for the physical exist. But now Grant's pass has

354
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 4: superseded that, that is erased that so now they have

355
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 4: the opportunity to do what they've been wanted to do

356
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 4: with The sheriffs came in this morning, ready to sweep.

357
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 1: People, ready to arrest people.

358
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 8: Yeah.

359
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 1: So that's one of the things too, is like what

360
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 1: do you what do you think? What can you do?

361
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 6: Exactly? That's the there is nowhere to go, there is

362
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 6: nowhere after. There isn't this for me.

363
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

364
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 4: That's where it looked like I don't have no rights

365
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 4: for me.

366
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 1: Yes, well I don't. I don't want to hold you

367
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: too long. My name is THEO.

368
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for your time, and you guys

369
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 4: say say hopefully I'll try to follow up and see

370
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 4: what you guys and how you guys do. Thank you

371
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 4: so much to Denise and Gabriel forved time. Sometime later,

372
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 4: I caught up with the antagonists of this story, the

373
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 4: core of engineers that coordinated the sweep itself. They feigned

374
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 4: the ignorance about Grant's past, they feigned the ignorance about

375
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 4: the escalation of the sweeps. In earlier times, this statement

376
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 4: would have had the same eerie import it has today.

377
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: I was just doing my job. So what does the

378
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: arm corp of Engineers do?

379
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,479
Speaker 4: And why was this such an urgency to remove these

380
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 4: other houseman remembers?

381
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: Since I believe August why movement? Because there are.

382
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 4: Very limited resources that are available in the city. We

383
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 4: are in an unhoused crisis. We are also in a

384
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 4: heat wave. I mean why, I'm just still trying to

385
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 4: understand what is the urgency for them to move today?

386
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 4: Where could have been?

387
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: So this is actually an ongoing thing.

388
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 4: We've been doing cleanups all year. This is not the

389
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 4: only location.

390
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: We've been doing multiple cleanups.

391
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 4: All across Despite the weather advisories, you guys still do them.

392
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 8: So we can't speak to why the scheduling is what

393
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 8: it is. Obviously we aren't the ones who made that decision.

394
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 8: We were told when and where to be places and

395
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 8: that's why we're here. As far as we can answer

396
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 8: more questions about what the Army Corps.

397
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: Of Engineers is and what they do.

398
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 8: So the Army Corps of Engineers and the Los Angeles

399
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 8: District is primarily in charge of the flood risk management,

400
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 8: you know, controlling floodwaters come down from the hillsides and

401
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 8: the mountains around us. There's catastrophic floods in the nineteen

402
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 8: thirties that wiped out a lot of downstream communities, so

403
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 8: a lot of deaths, a lot of destruction, a lot

404
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 8: of impacted the economy.

405
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 1: So that's why the.

406
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 8: Army Corps of Engineers came through. After the state and

407
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,239
Speaker 8: local governments couldn't figure it out, federal government stepped in

408
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 8: created these channels and levy systems to control those massive

409
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 8: flood events and get it all the ocean as quick

410
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 8: as possible. So flood risk management is a primary mission

411
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 8: in our area, Environmental stewardship and protection, recreation. Army Corps

412
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 8: of Engineers owns the floodplaining areas and they release it

413
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 8: out to cities, counties.

414
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 4: The golf course behind us, Yeah, it's all in the

415
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 4: golf course the land. We own the land, but it's leased,

416
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 4: so they're they're the managing entity.

417
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 8: So with your narrows, that whole complex, that's all floodplain,

418
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 8: and it's all been leased out to the to the county,

419
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 8: you know other places, you know.

420
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: Like Spulving the dam.

421
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, that whole complex that's leased out to the city,

422
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 8: Santa Fe Dam locally. So all these you know, construction

423
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 8: projects that the Army Corps did initially to control the

424
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 8: flood areas. Obviously, we're seasonal, we don't always get those

425
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 8: hundred thousand year floods or whatever. It's avable to be

426
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 8: used in the meantime for recreation purposes, and it has

427
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 8: actually benefited Los Angeles area to give us white swaths

428
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 8: of green space that would otherwise just be crowded with

429
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 8: urban population.

430
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 4: So we'd be urban population, you mean, like be on

431
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 4: house community.

432
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 8: The skyscrapers, houses, industrial complexes.

433
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: Urban sprawl is more what I'm talking about.

434
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 8: So, you know, if you think of all the recreation

435
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 8: and green areas that we have in the area, Army

436
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 8: Corps of Engineers has a big majority of it, and

437
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 8: most people don't know it because we're just a little

438
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 8: label on that sign as you drive through.

439
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 4: My question is too, because you make the French of

440
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 4: you guys have been doing these weeks all year. Did

441
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 4: grants pass have anything to do with escalating or or

442
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 4: speeding up you guys's timeline or is there I'm.

443
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: Not familiar with.

444
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 8: We do this across jurisdictions. We were in Newport Beach

445
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 8: an assault marsh projected habitat just a couple of weeks ago,

446
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 8: La County, river Side County, Orange County, San Bordino County.

447
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 8: And that's just a portion of our Los Angeles district

448
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 8: in southern California. We also cover most of Arizona, part

449
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 8: of the bat At Utah as well, So you also

450
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 8: covered Utah as well, just the southern part of Utah there.

451
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we have oh okay.

452
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, so our Los Angeles district isn't just Los Angeles,

453
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 8: it's the southern California Southwest Full Corridor basically.

454
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 4: Okay, So as you can see, this has caused some

455
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: quite disruption trying to move people's lives here. Yeah, just

456
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 4: you know, people are trying to survive and it's a

457
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 4: pacting from the federal to the local and I just

458
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: don't understand if they come back, will you guys redoup

459
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 4: this again or because there's no really no place to go.

460
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 4: I mean to be honest, because since Branch past has passed.

461
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: There has been cities and states have been stepping up

462
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 4: trying to remove on house people, and they have their

463
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 4: limited resources. They don't know where, you know, they jump

464
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 4: to the county or they go to the federal. Then the

465
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 4: federal can jump on and then like for example, caltrans

466
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 4: is moving unhoused people, the city is moving unhoused people,

467
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 4: and they make this very blanket statement of their offering services.

468
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 4: But the services are innative with for just like this,

469
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 4: this housing crisis. AM just just curious what's the end

470
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: game because you guys going to be like adult chasing

471
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 4: this tail.

472
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: It's not going to stop.

473
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 8: I sympathize to that point of view. I just I

474
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 8: don't have a good answer for you.

475
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 4: From your standpoint.

476
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 9: We have to follow up.

477
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 6: We're reinterrupted to do also.

478
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 7: And honestly, you know where where some of these places are.

479
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 7: It's they're putting themselves at risk. All No, it's a

480
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 7: safety answer.

481
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: Well, being on the house is a safety risk with

482
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 4: a lot of things that's going on, you know, just

483
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 4: be I don't think house people appreciate the difficulties to

484
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 4: survive out here in the elements and trying to protect

485
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: themselves they are in dangered species from the human populace

486
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 4: that didn't receive it, So that argument can be made

487
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: as well, speaking from my whole personal experience.

488
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 8: So yeah, I understood any more questions for us, sir,

489
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 8: I think we're gonna get on the other side there.

490
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much, all right, thank you.

491
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 4: I hope taking this incident in will lead to more

492
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 4: information being shared and gazed among our activists and mutual

493
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 4: ad groups about the matter of Grant's past. Are we

494
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: behaving in a reactive way or are we behaving ignorantly

495
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: of what grant past means versus what Martin v.

496
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: Boise meant.

497
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: When we come back, I will speak with ACOU lawyer

498
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 4: caf Rogers to get guidance and insight on the reality

499
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 4: of Grant's past.

500
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Weedian House.

501
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 4: It is my pleasure to have a returning guest on

502
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: the show, caf Rogers, who is now a staff attorney

503
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: at the ACLU.

504
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: Here's our talk.

505
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 7: It's so good to be back with you THEO on

506
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 7: this amazing podcast, and you just do incredible work and

507
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 7: inspire me and really good to be back here with you.

508
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: Such a nice thing to say. I don't want to

509
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: be crying on here. You should do that. I got

510
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: my box of tissues and all. No, I hope.

511
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 7: But yeah, So I think the last time that we

512
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 7: were on here together was a while back. I think

513
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 7: we were talking to know your rights stuff back and yeah,

514
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 7: I was representing on house folks and activists and still

515
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 7: doing similar work just for ACLU of Southern California. And now, yeah,

516
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 7: I get to work on what's called the Dignity for

517
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 7: All Projects, and that's a project where we protect and

518
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 7: advance the dignity of unhoused folk folks through both litigation

519
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 7: and also advocacy work and basically fight for the fundamental

520
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 7: human right to housing because housing is a human right.

521
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 7: And also we sue cities and we sue beliefs when

522
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 7: they violate unhoused people's civil rights. So that's what I've

523
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 7: been working on lately.

524
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 4: I was going to say, because I think I remember

525
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: reading briefly about something in Santa Bernardino where you evolved

526
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 4: with that well lawsuit in ACLU.

527
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about that.

528
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, that lawsuit is ongoing. That's called Tyson versus

529
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 7: the City of San Bernardino, and it's I mean you

530
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 7: know how these things play out, and just about every

531
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 7: city where there's encampment removals or raids where cops and

532
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 7: city officials come in and displace people, destroy people's things.

533
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 7: So this was a case about that, about these raids,

534
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 7: and basically we sued the city of San Bernardino on

535
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 7: behalf of five unhoused people and then a mutual aid organization.

536
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 7: And what was happening is the city was coming through

537
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 7: and destroying everything that people had. People's you know, essential property.

538
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 7: They're tense. One of our clients lost the last photograph

539
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 7: of his mom that he ever had after she passed away.

540
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 7: You know, people's ashes, medicines. One of our clients had

541
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 7: a walker destroyed. So that was one issue is just that,

542
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 7: you know, the summary destruction of property, which we know

543
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 7: is really really common. But the sort of novel aspect

544
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 7: of the case is the disability rights piece. As you

545
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 7: know a lot of folks have disabilities and cities just

546
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 7: trample on their disability rights all the time, and so

547
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 7: this case said that these encampment raids unduly burdened people

548
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 7: with disabilities because it's much harder if you end up

549
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 7: in a ravine or a riverbed or a flood channel,

550
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 7: and you're trying to be in a wheelchair or a

551
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 7: walker and trying to move. And then also when you've got,

552
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 7: you know, ten minutes to move all your stuff, pack

553
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 7: up everything, how are you going to do that if

554
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 7: you have a serious disability, whether that's mental health disability,

555
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 7: whether that's physical disability. And in good news, the court

556
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 7: actually agreed with us on this case, and in January

557
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 7: we got a preliminary injunction that barred any displacement of

558
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 7: any unhoused people throughout the city of San Bernandino. And

559
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 7: that preliminary injunction.

560
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 4: Is still in effect even with Grant's pass, even with

561
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: grants pass.

562
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: Good Good, You're.

563
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: Touching on so many awesome points that I was over

564
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: in Elmonte last weekend and I went and reported on it,

565
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 4: and I'm not in Superman's shape. I'm not twenty years old,

566
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: and it was difficult for me one because of the heat.

567
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: It's bofering my internal injuries, and then also just for

568
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: me to just walk and navigate because there's this steep

569
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 4: incline because it's right near the wash, and you're mentioning

570
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 4: something that I don't hear much of it is like

571
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 4: the disability aspect of it affects people and sweeps. And

572
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: I'm so encouraged to hear that when you say that,

573
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: but please continue.

574
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to interrupt.

575
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm so glad that you brought up al Montea.

576
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 7: I was just hearing from some activists who were on

577
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 7: the ground there and it sounds like it was absolutely

578
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 7: horrific what happened.

579
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: Yes, it was, yes, but.

580
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 7: People had really well established homes that they had built

581
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 7: that were just completely bulldozed and destroyed.

582
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: I came during when they did the sweep, and then

583
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 4: I deliberately came Sunday to show the after effects.

584
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: And there has been seeing in.

585
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 4: Footage of people who have had their homes bombed or

586
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: looking like a third world country in the respect that

587
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: things have been disarrayed.

588
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: It looked exactly like that.

589
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: All you had to do is not scraped out the

590
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 4: Los Angeles and you would have thought you were in

591
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: a work throat world terrain. How they had left the

592
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: unhoused property and things that they had they hold deer.

593
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 4: And the thing that is is when I go out there,

594
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: it's such a difficult place to traverse.

595
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: There is no even type of terrain.

596
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: It's difficult for me because I have disabilities, and then

597
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 4: it was hard for me to navigate during the heat

598
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 4: and navigate just trying.

599
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: To walk to just a small like almost for a block.

600
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: If it was an even concrete based block, it would

601
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 4: have been easier, but this was not. It was uneven terrain.

602
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: There was the insects, it was the heat, and then

603
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 4: people trying to navigate that still older people that was

604
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: like at least sixty five and up trying to traverse

605
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: getting all this stuff down this crooked heel or if

606
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 4: it's way this steep incline with shopping carts, and you

607
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: can see why some of the young house just left

608
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: it because there is no way to have the assistance

609
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 4: that was necessary. I really wanted you to see what

610
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: we can talk about and what creative ways that we

611
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: could help the young house on the ground, and then

612
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: what can we do to make sure that they are

613
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: protected because this is a very vulnerable community. It's not

614
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: like we're here in downtown Los Angeles like on Little Tokyo,

615
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 4: where you can see the encampments and people can nimbias

616
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: can wave their angry fist and police immediately swarm This

617
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 4: is like the wild wild West.

618
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: They just out here. They're not bothering anybody.

619
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 4: Because you can't unless you are just actively looking for

620
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: unhoused people in this area.

621
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: It's right behind the golf course.

622
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 4: So unless you're a nimby that don't want to see

623
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 4: unhoused community members why you're setting off for your tea's,

624
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 4: then you have to really have an aggressive reason why

625
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: you bother people over at the Elmonty. So I just

626
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 4: am so encouraged to hear that. So any insights on this, Yeah, no, that.

627
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 7: That just sounds so awful to you, And I think

628
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 7: what you're raising there's so many themes right, Like one

629
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 7: is why do people end up in these far corners.

630
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 7: It's not because they want to be in a riverbed,

631
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 7: it's not because anybody wants to be, you know, on

632
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 7: the side of a highway or something like that. People

633
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 7: go to these dangerous far reaches, and we've seen unhoused

634
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 7: folks who've gotten killed in some of these areas when

635
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 7: water breaches like these dams and stuff like that, and

636
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 7: people go there because they're not safe anywhere else, and

637
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 7: cops are literally chasing people from block to block. And

638
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 7: that's the only place that people have to go.

639
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: And not to mention brush fires because I for the

640
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 4: respiratory thing, because that was what was bothering me. I

641
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 4: had to really not stay long because I can feel it.

642
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, it's one of the people that

643
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 4: feels that are affected by climate change are unhoused people,

644
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 4: especially with the brush fires, the heat waves that we having,

645
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 4: the cold spells, and we know these things and we

646
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 4: have to plan accordingly, which is why we have a

647
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: lot of stuff to be able to navigate these kind

648
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: of things where people house can go in get an

649
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 4: air conditioned or you know, bundle up on heat until

650
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 4: the bad weather advisory passes. You know, that's just another

651
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 4: aspect of another dimension that most house people don't understand.

652
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: You know, when you see things you don't understand, you judge.

653
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 4: But it's a very aggressive, hostile environment climate wise. And

654
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: also how people look at unhoused people.

655
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the temperatures this week, I mean we saw

656
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 7: like over one hundred degrees, which is going to get

657
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 7: more and more common and unhoused folks, so they talk

658
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 7: about you know, frontline community members and folks who contribute

659
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 7: the least to climate change, right like you know, using

660
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 7: the least amount of energy, contributing the least amount of

661
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 7: like carbon to the atmosphere, but then literally on the

662
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 7: front lines, you know, dying in the heat, experiencing you know,

663
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 7: wildfires and things like that, feeling the most effects of

664
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 7: anybody from climate change.

665
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

666
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: So the next thing that I was noticing too when

667
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: I was there is that, you know, the aggressiveness of

668
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 4: law enforcement. And the thing of it is is like

669
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 4: they were so aggressive even to the legal observers. They

670
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 4: were forcing them out, and then they were making sure

671
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: that there was limit recording of the fact of how

672
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 4: they were destroying on house homes, and then to how

673
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 4: they manipulate the rules to make sure that they are

674
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 4: not being watched or observed legally on their behavior. They told,

675
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 4: for example, me and other people that were recording this,

676
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 4: that we were to observe maybe like two or three

677
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 4: miles away from things that are obstructed that we can't see.

678
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: And the thing with it is it's being enforced by

679
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 4: that rule that they can't safely and they're using the

680
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: safety conversation. They're using the safety narrative to push to

681
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 4: push people out, and there's no really oversight in pushing

682
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 4: back on. When there's a sheriff that's aggressive, there's no

683
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: other supervisors to come and tell him, hey, cut out

684
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 4: this aggression, because now you're excalating the situation. We recently

685
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 4: seeing the incident where there was aggressive law enforcement where

686
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: a football player. But it's like this is open season

687
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: when there's unhoused people of color, particularly that there is

688
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: no one that's stepping in and says we're not here

689
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: to be aggressive. We're not here telling them that we're

690
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: going to arrest them. And you make them very anxious

691
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 4: because people that have their own belongings have a right

692
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: to be upset about what's going on to them. And

693
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: if you push them and say you know you don't

694
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 4: like it, you know you can go to jail, and

695
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 4: then told them if they move in a timely manner,

696
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: and you got sixty five year old people with trying

697
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 4: to move their things. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth,

698
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 4: but it also gives rise to more aggression, particularly with

699
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 4: the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department.

700
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, and THEO you know this better than anyone

701
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 7: that you know. We have a right to photograph and

702
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 7: film police in public places, you know, and there's been

703
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 7: some litigation over this. There's a case called Martinez versus Fresno,

704
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 7: and in that case it was exactly the same thing

705
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 7: where beliefs and you know, sanitation workers are trying not

706
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 7: to have activists film them, and you know even journalists

707
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 7: film and the cord isshuy to preliminary junctions. So if

708
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 7: poliefs are trying not to have folks photograph and film,

709
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 7: that's probably a violation of their rights. I mean, you know,

710
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 7: within reason, in a public space, you have the right

711
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 7: to photograph and film. So if you know, I know,

712
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 7: this was recently an issue also with lex from La

713
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 7: Taco and City of Los Angeles. So yeah, we need

714
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 7: to push back when cops don't allow people to photograph

715
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 7: and film, because that is your constitutional right in public.

716
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: But here's another example of how they're trying to violate

717
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 4: people's civil rights here in city hall. Most recently they

718
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: are trying to limit the protests of Palestinian protests, put

719
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: them in what they call bubbles and things. So it

720
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 4: is not so far off the realm of how they

721
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: are slowly trying to encroach on your civil rights, but

722
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 4: trying to do it in a way that they don't

723
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 4: get the knuckles tapped forward. We'll continue this conversation after

724
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: this break.

725
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: And we're back.

726
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 4: The Grants passed with such a monumental decision, and I

727
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 4: wanted to take the time to say, what's the difference

728
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 4: between Martin versus Boise and Grant's pass.

729
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, So Martin versus Boise was a really important decision.

730
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 7: It came down in twenty eighteen, and basically it said

731
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 7: that under the Cruel and Unusual Punishments clause of the

732
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 7: Eighth Amendment, criminal penalties for life sustaining conduct, so like

733
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 7: you know, sitting down, lying down, just basically existing in public,

734
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 7: that you couldn't criminalize that under the Eighth Amendment because

735
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 7: that's cruel and unusual. People need to sleep, they need

736
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 7: to walk, they need to put their things down on

737
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 7: the sidewalk, and when you're on house, the only place

738
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 7: you have to do that is in public spaces. And

739
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 7: so that was what Martin b. Boise did, and then

740
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 7: Grant's pass extended it a little bit to like tickets,

741
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 7: you know, like a civil ticket. Also, the court talked

742
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 7: about the importance of having blankets and things like that

743
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 7: to keep warm. So it's a little bit further than

744
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 7: Martin b. Boise, But similar concept, right, just it's cruel

745
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 7: and unusual to penalize people just for existing. Unfortunately, in

746
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 7: Grant's pass, this new conservative majority Supreme Court has said

747
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 7: it's no longer cruel and unusual under the Eighth Amendment

748
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 7: to punish people for existing outside and having a blanket

749
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 7: and sitting down, lying down, things like that.

750
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: And Santa Monica is voting to ban pillows and blankets

751
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 4: in their area as a result of Grant's pass.

752
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: That's an example too.

753
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 7: So yeah, what one thing we're trying to do is

754
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 7: track all these cities and counties that are starting to

755
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 7: pass these terrible new policies basically criminalizing camping, criminalizing setting

756
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 7: things down on the sidewalk, and also calling for more

757
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 7: encampment raids for police to come through and just displace people.

758
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 7: So we're seeing two things as one, new policies being passed,

759
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 7: and then the second thing is new practices where police

760
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 7: are just doing more raids on people's encampments. So we're

761
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 7: trying our best to just track it because there's so

762
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 7: much going on all throughout the state, both with Grant

763
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 7: pass and now with our governor with his executive order

764
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 7: and all his rhetoric that's making things so much worse.

765
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: I agree.

766
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 4: It's like I've been trying to do a kind of

767
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 4: returning or recurring kind of thing on my on House

768
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 4: News about Grant's past, because one of the things too

769
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 4: is though the aggressive, aggressive sweeps and the raids are

770
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 4: going on, it's like we are kind of on the

771
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: back foot in a respect, like even in activism, we

772
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: are not really fully appreciating everything that's going on with

773
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 4: Grant's past. Why this is so different. One of the

774
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: things about El Monte is that I'm trying to even

775
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 4: get the activists as well as the young housed community

776
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 4: to understand this is different. This is not Martin versus Boise.

777
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 4: This is going to be an ugly kind of progression.

778
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: It's just like you know, when Regulus raids happen on house,

779
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 4: people just come back, but they are becoming aggressive.

780
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: They're saying that they're going to arrest you, and they.

781
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 4: Have the power of the authority to do that now,

782
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 4: and that's going to weigh very differently than it is

783
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: is when you just had maybe Martin versus Boise, you

784
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 4: had it more of a fighting chance, You had ways

785
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 4: to stem the tide of aggression. But now this is

786
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: a little bit different. You know, I've taken a list

787
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 4: of places right now, I've got at least eleven places

788
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 4: that have picked up sweeps, and I keep getting more

789
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 4: and more notifications of and make me I want to

790
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: you have to go there. They'll check it out or

791
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 4: talk with the people there and figure out what's going

792
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 4: on and how to support them and how to keep

793
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: the conversation connected with the activism circle in order for

794
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 4: us to not feel like we are isolated and alone,

795
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 4: because that's another thing. It's very isolating what they're doing,

796
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 4: and they know that we are not really ready or

797
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: we're fighting Martin versus Boisese battles and we're not fighting

798
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 4: the Grant's past battle and by the time we do that,

799
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: they will be, you know, full blown sweeps and it

800
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 4: to be probably a very ugly kind of steamrolling that's

801
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: going to be going on, particularly because the World Cup

802
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 4: is in twenty twenty five and in the Olympics here

803
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 4: is going to be twenty twenty eight.

804
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 7: Yeah. No, I think that's a really good point that

805
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 7: the sweeps isolate people and make it a lot harder

806
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 7: to build power, make it a lot harder for you know,

807
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 7: folks to connect with mutual aid groups and really you know,

808
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 7: rise up and organize. And I think that's that's definitely

809
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 7: by design, you know. And I think you're right that

810
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 7: right now a lot of the work seems really reactive,

811
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 7: and yeah, how can we get out ahead? Because we

812
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 7: know that even with Martin B. Boise, I mean we

813
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 7: we saw the same kind of raids, we saw property destruction.

814
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 7: So you know, the law and paper only gets us

815
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 7: so far. You know, the lived reality is so much

816
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 7: different that people's rights are violated every single day, even

817
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 7: you know, even when we do have these good core decisions.

818
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: So I, like I said, you know, these conversations are

819
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 4: necessary and to be had. One of the things is

820
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: like when you say about the know your rights and

821
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 4: when we started off, do you think, no, your rights

822
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: is still applicable into what the grants pass era.

823
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 7: Yeah. Absolutely, I think it's really important for folks to

824
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 7: know their rights because you still do have rights.

825
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 4: Well, it's so important to know that because like what

826
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 4: grant's passed, you know, it's not be the I guess

827
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 4: the death nail. I don't want to make it sound

828
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 4: like I'm trying to bring the Cassandra, the arbitry of doom.

829
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: But you know, there is some things that we do

830
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 4: need to be aware of. We can't just go blindly

831
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 4: off with our sorts and our shields and get blown up.

832
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 4: So what things don't know? Your rights that we should

833
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: be aware of.

834
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 7: Well, one of the things I think is the most

835
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 7: powerful is you have the right to photograph and film

836
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 7: police in public and whenever you're being harassed by law enforcement,

837
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 7: whenever you have an interaction with law enforcement, document that

838
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 7: you know, get that, get the officer's knee and get

839
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 7: their badge number, put them on video, you know, and

840
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 7: being careful if you're filming, you know, don't film the

841
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 7: unhoused folks in an encampment, film the police officers who

842
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 7: are harassing them, so that you know, you have your

843
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 7: focus on the law enforcement. Also, police and cities don't

844
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 7: have the right to destroy unhouse people's personal.

845
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: Property, even with grants pass.

846
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 7: Even with grants pass. Yeah, you have your Fourth Amendment

847
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 7: right to your property. You have your Fourth Amendment right

848
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 7: against unreasonable search and seizure. That still completely applies. So

849
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 7: if a city destroys somebody's property, that is a violation

850
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 7: of their rights and you have the right to your

851
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 7: personal property. Also, there should be notice of these encampment

852
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 7: raids under the due process clause on the fourteenth Amendment,

853
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 7: and so that still applies. So in general, you should,

854
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 7: you know, always have a notice if there's some kind

855
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 7: of cleanup or some kind of encampment raid come in,

856
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 7: you should get that notice. They're usually put up. It's

857
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 7: you know, forty eight hours, seventy two hours, whatever it

858
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 7: is in your area. Also, you have the right to

859
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 7: disability accommodation. So if you're disabled, if you have you know,

860
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 7: mental health or physical health disabilities, you have a right

861
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 7: to a reasonable accommodation and that applies across the board

862
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 7: for the government under Title II of the Americans with Disability.

863
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 4: So does that include if they tell you that you

864
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 4: have thirty minutes to sleep or they have like ten

865
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 4: minutes to sweep and you need a disability accommodation, can

866
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: you ask for that and they must stay granted or

867
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 4: didn't they just say no, you had noticed since August

868
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 4: you could have moved this do in or whatever it's

869
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 4: that still applicable there.

870
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 7: You should absolutely ask for a disability accommodation, and you

871
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 7: know you can ask at the time of notice. You

872
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 7: can ask, you know, at the actual encampment rate when

873
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 7: it's going down. You know, say I have a disability,

874
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 7: I'm asking for a reasonable accommodation. You don't have to

875
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 7: say what your disability is, just what the limitation is.

876
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 7: So you know, I'm having trouble, I can't move everything.

877
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 7: I need help. Here's what I need, here's the reasonable

878
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 7: accommodation I need. And the government's obligated to respond to

879
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 7: your reasonable accommodation requests. They don't always have to grant,

880
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 7: you know, everything, if it's if it's a fundamental alteration

881
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 7: of the program, they don't always have to grant it.

882
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 7: But they do have to engage with you. And that's

883
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 7: part of your rights under the ADA. And so you

884
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 7: want to adopt a minute too. You want to if you

885
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 7: do it spoken word, you can film it. If you

886
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 7: write it down, that's always good because then you have

887
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 7: a paper trail, you know talking you know, who did

888
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 7: you talk to and if they if they're giving you trouble,

889
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 7: you know, ask for a supervisor, but definitely ask for

890
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 7: that reasonable accommodation. And then you know, unhoused folks have

891
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 7: the same rights in police encounters as anybody else. So

892
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 7: you have the right against unlawful searches. For example, so

893
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 7: if the cop says, hey, can I look in your ten?

894
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 6: Hey?

895
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 7: Can I look in your backpack? Can I look in

896
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 7: your pockets? Whatever? You know, I don't consent to this search, officer,

897
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 7: Am I free to leave? You also don't have to

898
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 7: answer officers questions. You know, if you are being detained

899
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 7: or if you're under arrest, it's good to give your

900
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 7: ID just for you know, for processing and everything beyond that.

901
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 7: You know, the less you say, the better. You don't

902
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 7: want to answer officers questions. They are not your friends,

903
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 7: they're they're not there to be buddy buddy, and you know,

904
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 7: so the less you say to the police, the better

905
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 7: you do not you know, and you can say it calmly.

906
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 7: You can say, you know, officer, I exercise my right

907
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 7: to silence. I don't want to speak and I don't

908
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 7: want to answer questions. So yeah, on house, folks absolutely

909
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 7: have rights, no matter what our governor would lead us

910
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 7: to believe.

911
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: Excellent.

912
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 4: I think that's an excellent punctuation mark for this conversation,

913
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 4: because I believe that there was a lot there's a

914
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 4: lot of anxiety after Grants passed, and I want us

915
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 4: as a community to realize all hope is not lost.

916
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 4: There's still things that we can resentment ourselves and reground ourselves,

917
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: but also understanding that there's twofold things. We have to

918
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 4: educate the un housed on what's going on because I

919
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 4: think sometimes because in my own experience when I was

920
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: in house dealing with heat waves, in trying to deal

921
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 4: with the exhaustion and other health issues, it's just like

922
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 4: it's just sometimes could be too overwhelming, it'd be too

923
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: much to bear too psychologically. But we have to let

924
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 4: them know that this is this is going on. But

925
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 4: even though this is going on, there are the different

926
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 4: things that we can do to protect ourselves and it

927
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 4: may take a process and in letting our activists know

928
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 4: as well that this is a difference between Martin v.

929
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: Boise era and Grants passed.

930
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 4: There's some similarities, but there's definitely some sticking points that

931
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 4: we need to, you know, be aware of. But also

932
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 4: we need to be really documenting and showing the aggression

933
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 4: because it's going to pick up, because it's picking up

934
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: in every other place in California, I mean literally and

935
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 4: I can, I dare say that, you know, other places

936
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 4: that I'm not focusing on readily yet it's also happening too.

937
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

938
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 4: That I think I covered everything. Did I miss anything?

939
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 6: Well?

940
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 7: I feel like we could talk forever obviously any time.

941
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 7: This is not you know, we can just pick this

942
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 7: up any day.

943
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And I'm trying to be respectful of your

944
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 4: time and all, but also I'd like to invite you back,

945
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: you know, to talk about this the conversation again and

946
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 4: we could, you know, pick up on the progress or regress,

947
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 4: if you will, on what's going on with this Grand

948
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 4: Pass and the sweeps and any other exciting work that

949
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: you're working on.

950
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: Is that the Dignity project?

951
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, Dignity for All projects?

952
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: Yep, oh, Dignity for All. That's awesome.

953
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 4: You know, I could say, I'm so excited to hear

954
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 4: that your guys are on the front front of that

955
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 4: and you guys are doing great work.

956
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Calves. I appreciate it so much.

957
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 7: That was amazing. I feel like we can literally talk forever.

958
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 4: So yeah, thanks to Calf for her time, and you

959
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 4: can learn more about her work with the Southern California

960
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 4: ACOU at acousocal dot org. And that's it for ELMNTY

961
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 4: for now. Remember this is a developing story. The unhoused

962
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 4: people displaced that day will not just disappear, and I

963
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 4: will continue to follow up and see how they are

964
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 4: navigating the new reality of Grant's past. And as always,

965
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 4: please like and subscribe, and if you like to share

966
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 4: your story on widian Howse, please reach out to me

967
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 4: at widian Howse on Instagram or email me at widianhows

968
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 4: at gmail dot com. Thank you again for listening and

969
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 4: may we again meet in the light of understanding. Whedian

970
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 4: Howes is a production of iHeartRadio. It is written, posted,

971
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 4: and created by me Theo Henderson, our producers Jbie Loftus,

972
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 4: Dailey Fager, Katieficial, and Lyra Smith. Our editor is Adam

973
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 4: Wand and our loco art is also by Katieficial.

974
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.