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Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. I'm your host, Brody Henderson,

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Speaker 2: and I'm joined today by Cringe Schneider and Seth Morris.

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Speaker 2: It's eleven o'clock here in Bozeman, uh, and it's nine

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Speaker 2: am out on Prince of Wales Island. We were just

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Speaker 2: talking about going out to the fish shack, so that's

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Speaker 2: what time it is out there. That's that we're headed

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Speaker 2: out there soon. Today we're gonna be talking with Adam

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Speaker 2: Eckley from Pennsylvania Backcountry Hunters and Anglers about Sunday hunting

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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. We're gonna talk with Ted Cook from the

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Speaker 2: North American Grouse Partnership about sage grouse and some other

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Speaker 2: small other stuff. And we'll also be sharing a hot

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Speaker 2: tip off and we're gonna do a Crue Top three segment.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to all that stuff, I gotta let

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Speaker 2: you know that it's time for round two of our

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Speaker 2: Moulti trail Cam photo contest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, This one is a little different than the last one,

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Speaker 2: which is like weird funny photos. This time we want

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Speaker 2: your best velvet buck trail cam photos. I've been driving

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Speaker 2: to work lately, and I drive through a couple miles

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Speaker 2: of farm country. You know, there's this one alfalfa field

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Speaker 2: where there's three like really nice velvet white tail bucks

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Speaker 2: right now, and I like a surprised, like how far

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Speaker 2: along they were in like antler development, Three big ones man,

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Speaker 2: and they'll never get shot. They're living where they won't

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Speaker 2: get hunted. But anyway, send us your velvet buck trail

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Speaker 2: cam photos. This time we're doing it different. You need

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Speaker 2: to go to the mediater dot com website and look

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Speaker 2: for trailcam photo contests. We'll have an article up there

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Speaker 2: and you submit through that. And this is all for

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Speaker 2: next week show July thirty first next I'm not even

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Speaker 2: sure I think we got like some some Southerners in

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Speaker 2: here for that show. We feel we did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got, we got Clay and Tony is it?

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Speaker 3: Oh, we just got I was gonna say, if you

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Speaker 3: got all sellers, you need like a translator in here.

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Speaker 2: Some big white tail guys, let's call it. Let's say

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Speaker 2: that big whitetail guys in here next week.

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Speaker 3: So we'll we'll see.

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Speaker 2: What we get, what comes in for those photos, and

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Speaker 2: we'll select a few of them, and those guys are

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Speaker 2: going to pick a winner and you'll get an awesome

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Speaker 2: package from Moultrie and some of our other partners.

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Speaker 5: That sounds like a really nice winning.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've never owned a trail cam.

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Speaker 5: Really no, well, I'm with you there too, So my wife.

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Speaker 2: Wants my wife wants me to get one. Just put

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Speaker 2: next to the bird feeder.

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Speaker 3: That'd be fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, you guys are back back from Safari and Tanzania.

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Speaker 3: Feels like we've been we were gone forever.

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Speaker 5: For a lifetime. Back and bitten. How are your a

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Speaker 5: Tetsi fly bites healing up?

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Speaker 3: Seth Oh, I'm all good on the tests fly.

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Speaker 2: You know, I got to and that you mentioned those things.

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Speaker 2: When I was a kid, there's this thing that like

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Speaker 2: if you got bit by a Tezzi fly, you were

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Speaker 2: just gonna fall over and just be dead. Really, it

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Speaker 2: was like this weird thing like surrounding Tezsi flies. How

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Speaker 2: do you do you say Tetsi or what I've heard?

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Speaker 3: I heard both yeah and you both. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just remember it like, oh my god, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: die if you go there and get bit by a fly.

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Speaker 3: Well, we would be most certainly dead. If that was

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Is it like a painful bite? Yeah, some of them

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Speaker 2: hurts when they get your hurts like afterwards.

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Speaker 3: It depends what some of them when they bite you,

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Speaker 3: it's like getting electrocuted for some reason. They make.

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Speaker 5: Bigger yeah. Yeah, and they're hard to kill, like they

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Speaker 5: have pretty tough exoskeletons. So we were told to slap

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Speaker 2: Are they slow enough you can get them?

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Speaker 3: No? Apparently this is what Rick Smith was telling me.

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Speaker 3: Apparently when you go to slap them, they can feel

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have to wait for them to like I found.

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Speaker 2: Well, you survived.

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Speaker 2: In like like insect repellent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah set before you left, Man, you were not too

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Speaker 2: excited to be going on it. You were bombed missing

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Speaker 2: WALLLEYE season all that, But so I got to ask you, like,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, overall it was a cool trip. The coolest

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Speaker 3: of tea. Our experience, I will say, was probably different

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Speaker 3: than most people's experience because we so how the safari

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Speaker 3: which Karina and I spent all of our time in,

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Speaker 2: You Oh yeah, you guys are in the We didn't.

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Speaker 3: See ship because like the front vehicle spooks all the

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Speaker 5: It's just it was so they had a different, different

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Speaker 5: experience what we experienced. So it was you know, anyone,

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Speaker 5: I think probably going on safari at various various countries

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Speaker 5: experience than our second vehicle experience. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 5: at the we were we were in an area the

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Speaker 5: size of Yellowstone National Park, right, and you can't you

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Speaker 5: it's you know, you close the distance between you and

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Speaker 3: So there was days where like you know, the the

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Speaker 5: We focused on a praying mantis. We had a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well do you have any like set Did you

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Speaker 3: It was totally the culture. Yeah. We went to a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fourteen or sixteen up there all this thing, and so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Karin, I heard there. Or if maybe you guys

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Speaker 2: up just because who was involved. There were some run

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Speaker 5: They they come for him, so we weren't. The one

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Speaker 5: No, it was kind of you know, going across the

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Speaker 5: like you're you're done. And the black Mamba incident we

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Speaker 2: We were vehicle, yeah, which is okay, but dirt because

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Just just hearing, just hearing people describe what the

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Speaker 5: like SELMANI with a with a stick and a machete

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Speaker 5: or was it just the stick? Yeah, he was, he

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Speaker 2: No thanks man crazy. Well, I'm sure we'll be getting

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that will those episodes will probably drop what this winter.

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Speaker 2: S day tuned guys, Well cool, we should probably move

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Speaker 2: on to other stuff. Phil, do we got Adam on

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Speaker 4: Adam's on the line. Sorry, I thought you're going to

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Speaker 2: There he is, I'll quum up. Now we've got Adam Eckley,

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Speaker 2: the big news out of Pennsylvania for for all the

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Speaker 2: people out there who like aren't aware going back many decades.

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Speaker 2: Adam made know the exact time period, but I think

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Speaker 2: it's maybe one hundred years back. Sunday hunting was illegal

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Speaker 2: like these these laws that were originally implemented to ban

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Speaker 2: certain activities on Sundays to encourage church attendance. There's some

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Speaker 2: other details surrounding blue laws of it. That's like the

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Speaker 2: basic gist of it. And in recent years there's been

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Speaker 2: a big push to legalize Sunday hunting in Pennsylvania. And

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Speaker 2: through state legislators finally approved Sunday hunting for three Sundays

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Speaker 2: each fall. Adam, is that correct?

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Speaker 6: That's correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And now.

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Speaker 2: Finally just a couple of weeks ago, Pennsylvania's governor signed

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Speaker 2: a bill into a lot that allows hunting on all Sundays.

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Speaker 2: And it's a really big win for hunters, especially like

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Speaker 2: working stiffs and school age kids who can only hunt

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Speaker 2: on weekends. So Adam tell us about like the role

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Speaker 2: that BHA played and getting this legislation passed.

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Speaker 6: Sure thing, Thanks Brody.

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Speaker 7: So the BHA Pennsylvania Chapter we were really the first

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Speaker 7: national level organization to put out a statement on this

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Speaker 7: subject in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 8: So a little history and a little bit of how.

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Speaker 6: We kind of we got to where we are.

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Speaker 7: Twenty seventeen, the newly formed BJA Pennsylvania Chapter identifies Sunday

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Speaker 7: hunting as our top legislative priority. Twenty eighteen, the chapter

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Speaker 7: releases a statement on Sunday hunting. We had Chapter leaders

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Speaker 7: speak out at a Sunday hunting meeting at the Pennsylvania

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Speaker 7: Game Commission headquarters twenty eighteen. Twenty nineteen, at the Great

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Speaker 7: the capital to Garner's support for a lot of different things,

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Speaker 6: Twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 7: We have Representative Mandy Steele out of Alleghany County who

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Speaker 6: And this is where it really gets interesting.

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Speaker 7: So Senator Laughlin, he's a lifelong hunter from Northwestern We

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Speaker 7: At this point, we've got bills coming from from both chambers.

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Speaker 7: We did have some reservations with some of the language.

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Speaker 8: But also some of our.

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Speaker 6: Concerns in the spring.

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Speaker 2: What like what concerns, What was in there that that

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Speaker 7: There was there were some things that were related to

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Speaker 2: Build that yep.

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Speaker 7: Able to, you know, certainly have lots of conversations with

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Speaker 2: So before you move on, I'm gonna jump ahead a

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Speaker 2: are aware, because it's just like so foreign to people

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Speaker 2: hunting's like always been legal. Like, what are some of

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Speaker 2: why we shouldn't have Sunday hunting, Because I've heard some

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Speaker 6: I've heard all kinds of things.

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Speaker 7: I've heard stories of how bad trust passing is going

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Speaker 6: I've heard hunting accidents.

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Speaker 7: I've heard that there'll be no white tails left in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't even sell all the leftover do tags

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, and all of those things have proved

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Speaker 7: I know some of the things I've seen was like Ohio,

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Speaker 6: They've got plenty of deer.

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Speaker 7: I can personally attest to that, at least in Delaware,

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Speaker 7: those states. Certainly when we added those three Sunday in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 7: So you know, all the all those kind of things

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Speaker 2: Great, So moving on to twenty twenty five, like tell

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Speaker 8: So twenty twenty five was a little bit different.

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Speaker 7: So we've got a lot of learnings both, you know,

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Speaker 7: the governor's desk. Representative Steel and Senator Laughlin introduce almost

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Speaker 7: identical bills. I think we all knew, as I said,

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Speaker 7: that language was was already incorporated right out of the gate.

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Speaker 7: We had strong support from BHA, from other hunting conservation

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Speaker 7: So Representative Steele's Houspital fourteen thirty one becomes the official

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Speaker 7: vessel for Sunday hunting. It flies through both chambers July ninth,

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Speaker 7: the Governor signs it into the law, which is for me,

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Speaker 7: one of my most honorable moments in my entire hunting career.

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Speaker 7: It's I mean, I can't express the gratitude I have

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Speaker 2: Like for people that can't wrap their head around it,

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Speaker 2: Like when I was both seth and I grew up

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it had to be the same way for you.

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Speaker 2: Like in the fall, I was going to practice after school,

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Speaker 2: having Sundays. So just like brutal as a kid for me,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it had to be the same.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you were well, if you were back

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Speaker 3: in those days, right, the right, if you're just a

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Speaker 3: And then which most most got that in Pennsylvania you

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, yeah, it's like for ple like people out

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Speaker 2: it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a huge win.

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Speaker 2: Man, What like what is the uh, Like, what's the

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 7: I mean I'm sure that there's you know, there might

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Speaker 7: soon as this, As soon as it's passing, I'm signed

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Speaker 7: for opportunity. It's just it's everything has been positive from

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Speaker 7: total ten more sundays onto the calendar for the twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty five seasons. So if this goes through, which certainly

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Speaker 7: we hope it's going to, from September through December, we're

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Speaker 2: So explain that, because like a lot of people probably

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Speaker 2: it's not like the board has to decide how this

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, so the law repeals the ban on

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Speaker 2: In if that Board of Commissioners were to be like,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's legal now, but we're only going to

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Speaker 2: give you three more, like they're gonna be like there's

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Speaker 8: Maybe maybe, Yeah, Hunters, hunters want.

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Speaker 2: To hunt, right, yeah, yeah, So hopefully they do the

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Speaker 2: right thing and just give you all ten of those sundays,

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Speaker 2: which is which is basically mean you know, all fall,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, which would that? That would be awesome. I mean

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Speaker 7: it really means a lot to me personally. Of course,

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Speaker 7: You know, fall baseball, we've got soccer, all those kind

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Speaker 7: spend as much time in the woods as I can

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Speaker 7: for sure.

442
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: Adam, Before we go, I want to give you a

443
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: little time to plug BHA's muster in the mountains event

444
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: that's coming up soon. You want to tell us about that.

445
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely so uh muster in the mountains. This is

446
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 7: kind of our you know, kind of East Coast.

447
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 6: Rendezvous, if you will.

448
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 7: We have this August first to third this year. It's

449
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 7: at west Kill Brewing in west Kill, New York. It's

450
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 7: up in the Catskills. It's a beautiful area. You come out,

451
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 7: meet BHA Vice President of Operations, Frankie mcburniey Olsen. We've

452
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 7: got some great events planned. We've got a three D

453
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 7: archery shoot. The New York chapter is representing with some

454
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 7: interesting demonstrations. They've got one on saddle hunting. I think

455
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 7: they have one that I think is really cool on

456
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 7: DIY taxidermy. And the PHA chapter is going to be

457
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 7: represented by my good friend Ethan Brininger, who's going to

458
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 7: do a flint lock flintlock muzzleloader introduction. I personally hunted

459
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 7: flintlocks with Ethan. He's a guy who really knows his stuff.

460
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 7: He's a great instructor. I'm sure that that's going to

461
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 7: be a fantastic event and you can find details for

462
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 7: that at Backcountry hunters dot org. Go to our events page.

463
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 7: We have a direct link there for it.

464
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: Great sounds fun, have so you're not able to make

465
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Speaker 2: it to that one.

466
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if I'm going to be there. I

467
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 6: might be there for part of it. I have planned

468
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 6: on Sunday, so we'll see.

469
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be a little partying at night too,

470
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: So I would say so if you're in that part

471
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: of the country, go check it out. Thanks a lot, Adam.

472
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: We may check back with you in a couple of

473
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: months to see how this Sunday hunting thing is actually implemented.

474
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, I would.

475
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 7: I'd absolutely love the opportunity. I really appreciate you guys

476
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 7: having me on.

477
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: All right, thanks a lot. Man, See, thanks, thanks good news,

478
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: But hopefully it's great news here in a couple of

479
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: commissioners don't implement that. You remember Joel, my buddy. Oh yeah,

480
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: he's like those guys. I don't trust him. Like we're

481
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: just like with some game commission boards or like wildlife boards.

482
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's tough with those people these days, man.

483
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: But hopefully it just ends up being more good news.

484
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: All right, guys. Uh, next up, we got our we

485
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: got a top three segment. We do these now and

486
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: then where we share various top three lists things like

487
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: favorite game meets favorite whatever, favorite places to fish things

488
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 2: like that.

489
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: Good. I'm not letting you get away with it.

490
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 4: Field.

491
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: There's no pause in there for sounds.

492
00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 5: I didn't see it. I get the light effect in

493
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 5: the room.

494
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredibly complex. This gets me fired up. My

495
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 3: finger on a slider back.

496
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: Thanks Phil, Thanks for sliding that in there.

497
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: It was really important. Everybody loved it, and it wasn't

498
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: a waste of time at all.

499
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 2: I forget how we do these? Do we have one person?

500
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: Do all three?

501
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: Phil?

502
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 4: Or do we go like you like number three, number three,

503
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: number three, number two, number two?

504
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

505
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, gotcha, Okay, all right, Krin, We're going like

506
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 2: from number three to your favorite Okay, yeah.

507
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'm gonna I'm gonna switch this up. My

508
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 5: number three is going to be Brody. Was giving me,

509
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 5: you know, crap for this earlier because I think my

510
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 5: my my scenario here misunderstands maybe what they taste like.

511
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 5: But I had put a black tailed jack rabbit in Arizona.

512
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: Well, I was more making fun of you because we

513
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: got plenty of jack rabbits.

514
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 3: It's like right here.

515
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: But either way, it's like, you know, it's your choice.

516
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just the the Sonoran desert atmosphere is like

517
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 5: an era. I've only been two once, but really really

518
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 5: loved it. They look just fun to get after.

519
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: When you watch one of those things covering ground, it's

520
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: pretty impressive.

521
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: Oh man, I've been hunting deer in eastern Montana and

522
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 3: I would glass up jack rabbit and I watch him

523
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 3: just run in a straight line for miles. Oh yeah, Like,

524
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: what are you doing?

525
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 5: Like it looks like like the perfect thing if you

526
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 5: have I don't know, a d like you're just you know,

527
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 5: it's just like a different kind of focus would be required.

528
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 5: And also, I I guess I'm mistaken that they probably

529
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 5: don't taste like cottontail bunnies.

530
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: Definitely not like a stronger flavor, darker meat, which you

531
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: know I've eaten them. Not my favorite, not when I

532
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: got deer elk in the freezer. But sure, I'm sure

533
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: I'll catch some some hell for saying that. But yeah,

534
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: but look, man, it doesn't doesn't have to be about me.

535
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: It's your bucket list, right, seth. What's your what's your

536
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: number three?

537
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: My number three is? Uh, hunting rios in Oklahoma?

538
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: Why Oklahoma?

539
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: Uh, it's a state I've never been to and I

540
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: want to get a rio to complete my slam.

541
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 2: So the nice thing about those rios because I used

542
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: to hunt them in uh, like southwestern Nebraska. They've got

543
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: him in Colorado, Toude, but I didn't hunt them much

544
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: out there. But the cool thing about those rio it's

545
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: almost bad for those turkeys, right because they lit. It's

546
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: like open country wide open and then uh like Cottonwood

547
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: Creek and river Bottom, so like you where the at

548
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: you know where they're at? Yeah, yeah, and it that

549
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: was that when I used to hunt him in that

550
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: kind of country in Nebraska, it was super super fun.

551
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: I was tourn between Oklahoma and and I really want

552
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: to hunt turkeys in Mississippi one of these days.

553
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: You want to get you want to go on a

554
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: super hard turkey.

555
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've killed the Easterns before, so I really

556
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: want to get that reo.

557
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

558
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 5: What about you, Brody.

559
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: Let's see what? Oh this is? Number three was a

560
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: tough one for me because I wanted to make it

561
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: a fishing trip and I really want to go like

562
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: north of the Arctic Circle in Alaska and fish those

563
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: she fish. Oh yeah, but if I advise like had

564
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: to had to choose, it would be to go down

565
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: to Panama to fish for those giant Kuberra snapper. Like God,

566
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: this like I'm just like fascinating, And you catch other

567
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: cool stuff down there, like rooster fish and it's not

568
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: like blue water offshore fishing, like fishing close to shore

569
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: and these big rock piles coming out of the ocean

570
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: and there's jungle and like it's it just seems super

571
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: cool like that that's like fish and wise, I would

572
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: probably choose that over sheet fish in Alaska.

573
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: Nice for sure. Yeah, that sounds wicked fun.

574
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: Back to Krin's crazy stuff.

575
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 5: I love how your your your your guys' bucket list

576
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 5: is like kind of grand and you know.

577
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: Oh those Kubert snapper get huge.

578
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

579
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: But anyway back to Crine.

580
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 5: Now my bee ish iguana in Florida.

581
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: Nice, I can expect nothing less.

582
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like you know, I just I think more of

583
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 5: it is about tasting different game species that I haven't

584
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 5: tasted before. And then you know that that leads the

585
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 5: kind of difference.

586
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: You'd be doing some good work taking those invasive green.

587
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 5: Warns, right, I mean I've also heard that they're very

588
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 5: very tasty. Yeah, probably not a super hard hunt.

589
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: No, but that's what or I've seen on Instagram a

590
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: couple of times. I don't know if this dude has

591
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: like a like an actual guide service for shooting iguanas,

592
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: but he has a bird dog, like a wire hair

593
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: pointer or something, some some bird dog, and that bird

594
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: dog goes around in the boat with him and they'll

595
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: crack and iguana on the bank. That dog rockets out

596
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: of the boat and grabs brings them back.

597
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 5: Now that seems more fun that Okay, I've just evolved.

598
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: My I'm a little torn on the iguana thing because

599
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: when I was in college, I had a ped iguana.

600
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 5: What was his name or her name, God.

601
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: I can't even remember now, Chuck, that's a great name

602
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: for her. And he had that iguana had like I

603
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: had this big chunk of drift I just let him

604
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: run around in my apartment. But he would always I

605
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: had this chunk of long drift wood in the corner

606
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: he'd climb up on and it was right above one

607
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: of those old radiators, know they like, and that thing

608
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: would like launch onto that radiator and a couple of

609
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: times he'd like break an arm or a leg or something,

610
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: and he'd always heal up eventually, But eventually I had

611
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: to leave and I could take him with with me.

612
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this, anyway. I

613
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: gave him to my buddy to care after this thing,

614
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: and he just got to the point where he had

615
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 2: busted so many legs he couldn't get around anymore. And

616
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: so my buddy put him in a pete in the

617
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: middle of winter, put him in a pizza box and

618
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: threw him in the dumpster, which for where for a

619
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: reptile isn't a bad way to go. They just get

620
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: cold and go to sleep.

621
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say so much hell, but he said, like,

622
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 5: you know, he just released into the wild, and I

623
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 5: was gonna say.

624
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: He had a good one. I should have eaten him.

625
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: I guess.

626
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: No waste seth.

627
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: Might be is fishing in Norway. Yeah, it's kind of

628
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: like the well, the the ocean. Fishing there from what

629
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: I gather, is kind of like fishing southeast Alaska. But

630
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 3: everything just seems so much bigger.

631
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those field words are that that's cool looking country.

632
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 3: Oh it looks awesome. Yeah, there's just a big fishing

633
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: community there. And then interior stuff there's like those Xander

634
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 3: and those big ass perch yep. Yeah, it just looks

635
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: like a fishing paradise over there.

636
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the people in Norway are like the happiest

637
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: people in the world.

638
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it'd be a cool trip.

639
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: Where are we at?

640
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 5: My second, yeah, your second?

641
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: My second would be.

642
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: Big horn sheep right here in Montana. It's definitely like,

643
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: definitely a species of big game that I get to

644
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: see a lot, never get to hunt. I mean, it's

645
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: just like a lot of people will have big horn

646
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: on their list, right, so you know, hopefully someday it'll happen.

647
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: Who knows if it will. I'm gonna keep trying. But

648
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: like that's that's kind of like the glam species that

649
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: interests me the most, like once in a like because

650
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: you know, I got a moose last year, but like

651
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: big horn cheap are even harder to get tags for.

652
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 5: Then what's the percentage now?

653
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 3: Zero?

654
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 5: Zero?

655
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: Oh, it depends where you're at, but it's like point nothing, yeah,

656
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: to like one percent. Maybe it's like a high draws hunt.

657
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here Montana they're cutting tags.

658
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's problems with them. I mean, there's problems

659
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: with pneumonia everywhere, but I'm still applying in Colorado, but

660
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: I got higher hopes for Montana.

661
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 5: Okay, We're gonna keep our fingers crossed for you Brody someday.

662
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I almost I almost like caved and was like, oh,

663
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put my points towards a big horn

664
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: you tag. But then I had enough points where I'm like,

665
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: that's just sick.

666
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what, as we'll keep going.

667
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, moving on and number one of

668
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: Karin's crazy bucket list.

669
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 5: Okay, so for really really going like dream experience, I

670
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 5: would love to be on a commercial boat in Japan

671
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 5: just seeing what what the fishermen there do to get blue.

672
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: Are you talking about those ones where they just drop

673
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: it in, flip them over their back drop it in.

674
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 2: Have you seen those?

675
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: No?

676
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 5: I have, just like the biggest I just want to

677
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 5: see like big ass fish because tasty fish. Maybe I'm not.

678
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: Sure that the Japanese are the ones doing all the

679
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: commercial fishing for blue fins. I think they're coming from

680
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: they get shipped like like here there's blue Fest Coast

681
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: West Andies okay, and I know like there are other places,

682
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: but I don't know, Like maybe I'm wrong, but I

683
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: think like a lot of the blue fin that ends

684
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: up in pan is coming. Like they overnight this ship,

685
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: they flash freeze them, send them a sushi markets and

686
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: then some there's this big bidding process.

687
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, so those are not coming out of the

688
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 5: Pacific waters right there.

689
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: Well, then maybe maybe someone.

690
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 5: If I'm mistaken there. That's why I had a real

691
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 5: number one, My real number one cucumbers and Alasta.

692
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: I want to be at the shack and just watch

693
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: her in wandering around filling up a wheelbarrow.

694
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 5: A that'll be me. I'll put on like an eight

695
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 5: millimeter suit and just spend the entire afternoon like diving

696
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 5: in shallow water.

697
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: I don't even need to dive for them. You will, yeah,

698
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: you will foul hook them when you're Yeah.

699
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: And there's places where at low tide you can just

700
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: go pick them up.

701
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 5: That'll be me. I'll focus on nothing else but wheelbarrows

702
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 5: full of sea cucumbers.

703
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 2: And you can be the like cleaning specialists. That's how

704
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: you break into the fish cleaning table, Like you have

705
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: to graduate to it, and you start by cleaning sea keys.

706
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 5: I'll have fun doing that all.

707
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: Day after that first wheelbarrow that you clean. I am.

708
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 5: Then I'll start, I'll start the I'll start. The other

709
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 5: method of taking care of those is just air drying them,

710
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 5: you know, like they like you know, Asian Asian market

711
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 5: like dried glass, you know, dried.

712
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: And then do they just rehydrate them and eat.

713
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 5: Them exactly, and they'll eat the whole the whole thing,

714
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 5: you know, the slimy warp bit and all. It's unlikely. Yeah, yeah,

715
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 5: they it's not. You're actually just not cleaning them. You're

716
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 5: you're you're purging them of you know, the mucky stuff

717
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 5: that's inside.

718
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: There's a thing that things do if they sit in

719
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 3: the bottom of your boat long enough, they basically turn

720
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 3: inside out. It is the grossest thing. Interesting. Yeah, yeah,

721
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 3: but they are, man, they're good.

722
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: Bride strips are good for sure. Well that's interesting, Krinn.

723
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 3: All the stuff.

724
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: I love it.

725
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 5: I love how my bucket lists are like probably easily

726
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 5: accomplished things. Yes, then all go.

727
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: You can fly in to catch a can and walk

728
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: right from the airport right down to the water's edge

729
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: and get yourself some qu com.

730
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: Yep, SE's interested in something a little bigger than a

731
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: c cucumber for his number on.

732
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: My Number one's moose interior Alaska. You know that rich

733
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: hunt that that we've all done is awesome, love it.

734
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: But I want to go further north north slope, north

735
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: of the Arctic tittle, yep, just check out most The

736
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 3: biggest reason just because I want to go up there

737
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: and see that country. I also want to get a moose.

738
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: No that that Ridge top hunt is fun. The place

739
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: where currently where Steve's currently locked in is like there's

740
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: not like there's like one spot right yeah, and that

741
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: stuff like you're sitting there. Once that stuff up on

742
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: the north slopes more open, classible, hikeable, all that stuff.

743
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 2: So I could see that being a super fun hunt.

744
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: Someday I'll go back and do a float hunt for them.

745
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be fun too. I've done the float stuff,

746
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: which is awesome because you're just looking at a new

747
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 3: country every day.

748
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 2: Yep.

749
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I guess more so, I just

750
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 3: want to be on that north slope for sure. Country definitely.

751
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: Number one is could take place same place as your

752
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: moose hunt. I want to take my boys to do

753
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: a caribou hunt, not necessarily because it's like this super

754
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: challenging hunt, like you're probably gonna get one, right, But

755
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: to be able to watch that migration is like, it's

756
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: it's one of the coolest things, like just for days,

757
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: just thousands of caribou rolling by. And granted you got

758
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: to hit it right to experience that, but it's like

759
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: the most impressive thing I've ever seen in nature, like

760
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: by far, just like waves of those things going by

761
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: day after day. And I don't necessarily care about getting

762
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: one myself, but yeah, I'd love to take my boys

763
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: in up for a fly in until Yeah awesome, Yeah,

764
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 2: all right, Phil, let's see what the chat say about cucumbers.

765
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 4: Nothing about cucumbers. Get your comments, and well, Krin's here.

766
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 4: But Nathan asks Seth and Krink was what was the

767
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 4: best thing you guys ate in Africa?

768
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: And what was the weirdest? Allright, God, it's so weird.

769
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: Africa has everything. We ate in Africa was just like

770
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: the best come one thing that stuck out in my mind,

771
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: it which surprised me was the war hog.

772
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 5: Tasty.

773
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: It's just I don't know what it was. It wasn't fatty,

774
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: it was just it was it was very similar to

775
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: just eating like pork tenderloin without the fat, but just

776
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: like the sauce they made with that meal, and it

777
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: was just the whole thing was just phenomenal.

778
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 5: It was very clean tasting meat. You know, she's like

779
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 5: a delicious you know.

780
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, something something I heard Steve mentioned in passing the

781
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: other day. I wasn't involved really in the conversation, but

782
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: he said, like everything is cooked well done, like they

783
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: don't do like medium rare there, which was surprised.

784
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: Well, they did. The chefs there did do like the

785
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 3: backstraps and stuff.

786
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: Oh they did.

787
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did it like medium rare.

788
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 5: But there's a lot of meat that would just yeah, yeah,

789
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 5: that's that's I guess the way that folks over there

790
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 5: used to eating meat. You know, some of it's like

791
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 5: charred on the outside. It's all well done, and that

792
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 5: they don't really like meat prepared the way a lot

793
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 5: of us.

794
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the meat that we ate

795
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: is not how they yeah, right prepared.

796
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 5: It wasn't exactly, Yeah, it was more you know, maybe

797
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 5: how they thought we would like it, slightly Western Eastern,

798
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 5: you know, preparations.

799
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: So if you could like have an elk in the

800
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: freezer or some of that stuff.

801
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 5: Oh, Seth, what about the rowan anal species. Steve shot

802
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 5: this beautiful old bowl, and I think that might have

803
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 5: been the oldest of all the four that he harvests.

804
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 5: I think they said, what like like at least ten

805
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 5: eleven or twelve years old maybe, And I thought that

806
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 5: that was the most tender meat. It was sweet, I

807
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 5: mean at five times better than elk, like than the

808
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 5: best elk of it.

809
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: You know, like a phenomenal tasting antelope here. You know,

810
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 3: like it's just most of it's just all tender and

811
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: taste good. That's like how everything is there.

812
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: That's that's super cool. Yeah yeah, And you know it's

813
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: great that you guys got to like eat a bunch

814
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: of stuff.

815
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's one. I mean, it's cool that

816
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: you could share that meat with all the villages and

817
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: the people there. But it's like it may be nice

818
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: just to bring all that stuff.

819
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, selfishly, to be like spreading you know, Kate buffalo oxtail,

820
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 5: Kate buffalo tail stew or.

821
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we have buffalo oxtail soup. The one night

822
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: that was good too, all.

823
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: Kinds of like fat and like, yeah, stuff, who's next?

824
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: Phil?

825
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 4: This question seems silly to me, but I could just

826
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 4: be very ignorant. Maybe it's a question about humidity. But

827
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 4: since you and seth hunting a lot in the East

828
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: and the west, Zach asks, should a Western game hunter

829
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 4: store hunting clothes similar to Midwestern or Eastern deer hunters

830
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 4: as far as scent control is concerned.

831
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: Man, I don't worry about that stuff.

832
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: I store my hunt clothes in a musty basement.

833
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think, like if you're talking spot and

834
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 2: stock rifle hunting, there's no reason in the West, there's

835
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: no reason to be paranoid about, like storing your clothes

836
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: with a pine bough outside or something like that.

837
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't do the whole sunk control

838
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: thing much cool.

839
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: Braiden commented that he hit a deer with this truck

840
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: at the same time we went live today, so.

841
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 3: Edible. I don't know, Braiden.

842
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 4: If you're still watching, go ahead and follow up, but

843
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 4: you're probably dealing with something else right now.

844
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: I don't know.

845
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: If I don't, I don't know if there are a

846
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 2: lot of moose.

847
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 4: Hunters in this room right now. But Vermont Millennial Homesteaders says,

848
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: my wife and I both drew a coveted moose tag

849
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 4: here in Vermont. I defined my permit to hunt with

850
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 4: her as a sub permittee. Any tips on moose hunting

851
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 4: with a cow only tag.

852
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what kind of country they're in,

853
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: like if you can glass them, I don't know. If

854
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: it's the hunts during the rut, I would what I

855
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: would do is like right now is the time to

856
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: be out looking for those things, Like I don't know

857
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: anything about that area and hunting moose in Vermont, so

858
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: I would be doing a lot of scouting.

859
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I know. Some dudes if hunted in

860
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: Maine and it was kind of like a lot of covering. Yeah,

861
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: it's probably super company, like covering a lot of roads,

862
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: like in timber looking for timber cuts.

863
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, go find them, Luke says Seth.

864
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 4: Let's get an update on the Alaska shack. You got

865
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 4: it fixed up nicer than the neighbors.

866
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: Are you getting some use out of it? Oh? Yeah,

867
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 3: it's fixed up fairly nice at the moment, at least

868
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: the outside here. In a couple of weeks, we're putting

869
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: a roof on the back porch, which will be nice.

870
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: That'll be real nice, YEA I'll be able to hang

871
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: some wet stuff out there.

872
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: Man, all the UK trade. Seth, You're you're like the

873
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: high roller in the coke. Now he got a new boat,

874
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: got a fixed up making Steve look.

875
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 4: Bad at I'm just trying to make the neighbors jealous.

876
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 4: Let's do one more and then we can hit some more.

877
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: At the end of the show, here Joe says, what's

878
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 4: Phil's favorite game He's tried so far?

879
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: This is such a.

880
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 4: Boring answer, but I have I've got to try a

881
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 4: decent amounts. I've worked here like I've had Gator, if

882
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 4: had Mountain Lion, all all kinds of stuff. But when

883
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 4: when Michael Hunter from Toronto whatever, what's his restaurant's name again,

884
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 4: he came in here to shoot some stuff with us,

885
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 4: and Brody brought in some elk steak he had and

886
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 4: Michael just like with his hands tied behind his back

887
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 4: and blindfolded. He like he not literally, but he could

888
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 4: have done it in his sleep. He pulled out some

889
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 4: single burner induction burner and made the most credible steak

890
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: I've ever had with like this huckleberry.

891
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: Sauce on top.

892
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 4: I just remember belted in my mouth and I could

893
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 4: not believe it, and he just acted like it's just

894
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 4: what he does well for a living, which is literally.

895
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 9: What it was true.

896
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: But partial credit there, Phil.

897
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: It was a great taste in Elk Brody.

898
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, can I can I make one live correction Jim Hefflefinger.

899
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 2: I knew it was coming from Antelope.

900
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 5: Jack rabbit is the one I want, and he said,

901
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 5: we can make that happen when the rabbit populations recover,

902
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 5: because it's the hemorrhagic virus that knocked out the populace.

903
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to contact and not Black.

904
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to contact us saying they're

905
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: the best thing to eat on the planet.

906
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: And I know he eats them, so had Jim's on it. Yeah,

907
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: thanks for watching, Jim.

908
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: Let's move on to our next interview.

909
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: Let's do it. We got Ted up. Ted's up?

910
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: Okay, next up, we got Ted It's Cook, right, Ted

911
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 2: Ted Cook. Ted Cook the executive director of the North

912
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: American Grouse Partnership. Ted, thanks for joining us today. Before

913
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: we get started with with the conversation, I want to

914
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 2: give the listeners a little background information about why we've

915
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: got you on the show today. We've been seeing this

916
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: is like not news, Like we've been seeing declines in

917
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: sage grouse populations for years and we've talked about it here,

918
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: you know, we did Immediate or television show that talked

919
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: a lot about it there. And there's this like iconic

920
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 2: species of sage rush prairie like across their range in

921
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: the Western United States, and they've been struggling, which like

922
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: maybe it would come as a surprise as like some

923
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: bird hunters and in places like Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, where

924
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: you can still go out and hunt them, some people

925
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 2: might be surprise that they're like not doing well in places.

926
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 2: But with all that said, like about a week ago,

927
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: some news came out that the sage grouse were officially

928
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 2: declared extinct in the state of North Dakota, and it's

929
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: just really you know, news like that is obviously a

930
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: huge bummer, but it's also part of this bigger picture

931
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: concerning what's going on with sage grouse in the last

932
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: however many years. So ted just to like clarify your

933
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 2: bona fides, besides being the executive director of the North

934
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: American Grouse Partnership, why don't you first like tell us

935
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: about your experience working within endangered species and then we'll

936
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: kind of get into to what's going on with sage

937
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: grouse all over the place.

938
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, so thanks for having me on. Before I became

939
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 9: the executive director of the North American Grouse Partnership, I

940
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 9: worked for thirty years as an endangered species biologist for

941
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 9: the US soshom MODELISS Service, including five years working on

942
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 9: sage grouse conservations, specifically back on the early twenty teams

943
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 9: when we were evaluating whether orless sage grouse under the

944
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 9: Endangered Species Act. And so from there I went on

945
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 9: actually and ended my career in Albuquerque, New Mexico, where

946
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 9: I worked a lot on lester prairie chickens. And I

947
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 9: retired and the board of the Grouse Partnership asked if

948
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 9: I wanted to apply to be executive director, and I

949
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 9: thought no, And here I am.

950
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: Here you are talking to it's hard to quit.

951
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 3: It's hard to quit.

952
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, So you can correct me if

953
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm wrong here. But like what happened in North Dakota

954
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: and with other sage grouse populations that are struggling, like

955
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: the Gunnison sage grouse in Colorado, that's largely related issues

956
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: surrounding loss of sagebrush prairie to prairie habitats.

957
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 9: Is that correct, exactly right?

958
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: Yep?

959
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 9: Say it gets called the scientificitary sage step step is

960
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 9: ste ppe step means grass lands, so stage step sage

961
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 9: grass land loss of habitat. In fact, brody grasslands including

962
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 9: stagebrush step grasslands are the most threatened ecosystem on the

963
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 9: continent and in the world.

964
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

965
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 9: And so this inexorable decline and loss of prairie grouse species,

966
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 9: including stage grouse in North Dakota, it's just a part

967
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 9: of a much larger long term trend that the North

968
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 9: American Grouse Partnership is committed to trying to stop and reverse.

969
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: Can you give folks a sense of like how like

970
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: how common and how widely distributed sage grouse were at

971
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: one time compared to where they're at now.

972
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 9: Sure, Yeah, sage grouse used to well, sage grouse or

973
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 9: sage brush obligates, so they have to have sage brush

974
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 9: to survive. And pretty much anywhere there were where there

975
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 9: was enough sage brush, you'd have sage grouse. And that

976
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 9: was across I think at least thirteen Western states historically,

977
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 9: but now the range has been reduced by roughly fifty percent,

978
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 9: and the population of sage grouse has been reduced by

979
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 9: almost three quarters.

980
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: Like, what's the best estimate, Like at a high point,

981
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: how many do you? Like?

982
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: What's it?

983
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: I know you can't pinpoint it, but how many millions

984
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: of them were there?

985
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 3: Yeah?

986
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 9: I don't know, and I know some folks have speculated that.

987
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 9: It's really hard to say, Yeah, many millions, Yeah, several million,

988
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 9: and now we're down to just a few hundred thousand, gotcha.

989
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: Can you explain were kind of hinted at this earlier,

990
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 2: but you can explain why, Like it's not just that

991
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: sage grouse are on the decline, Like their decline also

992
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: as implications for other species that use the same habitat

993
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: as sagegress like pronghorn and mule deer and songs and

994
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: all other like all hosts of species. So can you

995
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: kind of touch on that a little bit more?

996
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, we all of us hunters know that

997
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 9: mule deer have been in decline for a long long time,

998
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 9: and there's no accident that they've been in decline along

999
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 9: with our grastling habitats. And in some places game managers

1000
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 9: are getting particularly concerned about the continued loss of mule

1001
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 9: deer pronghorn. You know, I mean what I like to

1002
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 9: challenge US hunters to think about is, well, maybe you

1003
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 9: don't hunt prairie gross very much, but you love mule deer,

1004
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 9: you love pronghorn. How far away are we from a

1005
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 9: scientist finding a local population of pronghorns, say, and part

1006
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 9: of the Southwestern Great Plains, and we end up listing

1007
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 9: that under the Endeiner Species Act. Keeping in mind, pronghorn

1008
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 9: are already listed in Arizona and I think maybe even

1009
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 9: California under the Injured Species Act. So this is not

1010
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 9: far fetch. All of these other species. Then you've got

1011
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 9: casts and sparrow and babba links and monarch butterflies and

1012
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 9: regal fritillary butterflies. Stuff one from me to say, but

1013
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 9: all of these grassland independent species are declining along with

1014
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 9: prairie grouse. Now, prairie grouse are a great umbrella species

1015
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 9: because they require such there are landscape scale species that

1016
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 9: require such large patches of intact grasslands. And so we're

1017
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 9: hopeful in the Grouse partnership that if we can conserve

1018
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 9: prairie grouse populations that we can help conserve mule deer

1019
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 9: and prong horn and everything else.

1020
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the chips will just fall into place. So, like,

1021
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: what are your main goals? Like, what are you guys

1022
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: doing to help sage grouse and those those prairie habitats.

1023
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, so actually two slightly different prongs there, because one

1024
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 9: of the I guess, well differences I want how much

1025
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 9: of a benefit it is with sage rouse is that

1026
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 9: there's a fair amount of public land that provides good

1027
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 9: sage grouse habitats.

1028
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, luckily it didn't all get sold off.

1029
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly exactly, thanks to a good, good lot of

1030
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 9: good work by hunters and anglers and others. But even there,

1031
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 9: even though we have you know, say, you know, eighty

1032
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 9: percent of the of a patch of habitat is public land,

1033
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 9: some of the most important habitat, the lower elevation stream bottoms,

1034
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 9: the deeper soils, the wet meadows are still privately.

1035
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: Owned, very common out here in the west.

1036
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 9: Exactly right, and so, but but really with sage rouse,

1037
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 9: the biggest drive here's a sad fact. Of the whatever

1038
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 9: fifty forty million acres we have left of sage rouse habitat,

1039
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 9: we're losing sage brush habitat at the rate of one

1040
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 9: point three million acres per year.

1041
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 2: And what's happened in there like building houses, like what

1042
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 2: just like residential, commercial, all kinds of different development.

1043
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 9: Well, yes, all of that is happening. But in a word,

1044
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 9: it's cheek grass.

1045
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, cheat grass.

1046
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 9: Now, keep in mind a lot of your listeners may

1047
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 9: know the name Aldo Leopold in a book that he

1048
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 9: wrote published in nineteen forty nine called a Sand County Almanac.

1049
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 9: In that book, Aldo Leopold has a chapter called cheat

1050
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 9: takes Over where he foresees what is happening to sagebrush

1051
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 9: ecosystems today. That's how visionary this guy was.

1052
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: For people who don't know what we're talking about, explain

1053
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: what cheat grass is and what it's and what it's doing.

1054
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1055
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 9: So cheat grass is an invasive annual grass from Asia

1056
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 9: that was accidentally imported here to North America, and it's

1057
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 9: taking over in areas like the western like the Great

1058
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 9: Base in the western half of the range of sage grouse,

1059
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 9: and even is becoming more of an issue into wyoming

1060
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 9: in some of the eastern parts of the range. And

1061
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 9: so cheat grass is fire loving. It's designed to burn

1062
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 9: frequently sagebrush is not okay, and so the driver for

1063
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 9: the one point through three million acres of loss I've

1064
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 9: habit had a year. A lot of people will say

1065
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 9: it's fire and invasives because they see the fire and

1066
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 9: they say, well, that's the cause, and it's caused by

1067
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 9: this invasive species. We hit the North American Gross Partnership.

1068
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 9: We disagree. It is not fire and invasives. It's invasives

1069
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 9: and fire, gotcha. And what I mean by that is

1070
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 9: fire has been a part of stage brosh ecosystems for millennia.

1071
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 9: The difference is cheak grass. The reason why cheek grass

1072
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 9: exists is chronic overgrazing. What all the Leopolds said, I'm sorry,

1073
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 9: chronic soil disturbance. What all the Leopold said is it's overgrazing,

1074
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 9: which is true back in the days, you know, in

1075
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 9: the nineteen forties. Remember the Tailored Grazing Act was passed

1076
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 9: to try to get hold of massive overgrazing on public

1077
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 9: lands way back when, and that's still a legacy today.

1078
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 9: But there's other disturbances like atv use and other things.

1079
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 9: So it's the cheek grass driven by fire and all

1080
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 9: of these other things that's causing that one point three

1081
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 9: but the bulk of the one point three million acres

1082
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 9: per year of stage grouse habitat gotcha.

1083
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: Wow, And so that that's your main focus, like like

1084
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: like what what is what does that like mean?

1085
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 3: Though?

1086
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: For like is is there like how do.

1087
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: You get rid of it?

1088
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: And can you get rid of it?

1089
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 9: Yeah? No, you can't. You know, you drive I eighty

1090
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 9: through central Nevada, that's always going to well, as far

1091
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 9: as I'm alive, Yeah, you guys do, it's probably always

1092
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 9: going to look like it does that. You know, these

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00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 9: golden stands of grass that look pretty to the untrained eye,

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00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 9: but it's all cheap grass. And but at higher elevations,

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00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 9: other native grasses and plants can win out. But here's

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00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 9: the good news. Most of stage most of grasslands not

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00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 9: just for sage gross but greater prairie chickens, less prairie

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00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 9: chickens sharp tails are managed as range lands, both public

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00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 9: and private land and ranchers don't want cheat grass either,

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00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 9: and so with the Grouse Partnership's goal is to empower

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00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 9: ranchers to recognize the opera they opportunity they have to

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00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 9: avoid chronic soil disturbance through overgrazing, which is less of

1103
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 9: an issue now, but sites specifically on a lower elevation

1104
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 9: south facing slope could still be an issue. And so

1105
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 9: our goal is to work with the people that manage

1106
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 9: the lands and even own the lands, the ranchers, to

1107
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 9: empower them to make sure that they're avoiding chronic soil

1108
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 9: disturbance in the form of overgrazing, and then other things

1109
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 9: atv use. You know, one of the things, one of

1110
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 9: the vectors that's sea grass is County road crews blade

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 9: the side of a gravel road every spring, take up

1112
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 9: the native plants what comes in behind it cheat grass.

1113
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 9: They do it in the name of fire breaks along

1114
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 9: the roads, but then end up providing perfect habitat for

1115
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 9: cheek grass, the most fire loving of all species, to

1116
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 9: grow in alongside the road. So there's a lot of

1117
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 9: opportunities to do better.

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01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: Great, Well, we're gon before. There's not just sage grouse

1119
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 2: out there, and you guys assume we'rek with other grouse species.

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Speaker 2: So I want to ask you if there's any major

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01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: conservation issues surrounding other species of grouse, you know, like

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01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: we've got five species of grouse here in Montana that

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Speaker 2: hunters can go after, and we had a boom year

1124
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: for sharp tails last year. You know, our dusky and

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01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: rough grouse seem to be doing well, but like back east,

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01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: in states like Pennsylvania, rough grouse are really struggling. The

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01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: flip side of that is, I just heard, I think yesterday,

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Speaker 2: that Wisconsin is opening up a hunting season for sharptail

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01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: grouse after a long period of them being off limits

1130
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: to hunters. You got anything for us about other grouse species?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and so you've just you got it right, Brody.

1132
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 9: You know, rough grouse back east not doing well because

1133
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 9: of reforestation of lambs that used to be either open

1134
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 9: meadow or for rough grouse. What they like is the

1135
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 9: edge habitant between the meadow and the timber. A lot

1136
01:01:55,080 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 9: of people value trees more than grass, and they that

1137
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 9: anybody trying to cut a tree as a bad person,

1138
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 9: and so rough growse are in trouble because of that

1139
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 9: social phenomenon, which is interesting back east, but out west,

1140
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 9: you know, here's the same thing here where I live

1141
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 9: here in Idaho. You know, we got great rough grouse

1142
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 9: habitat and they're doing pretty well. And then for sharpies

1143
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 9: in Wisconsin, what great news. You know, they feel like

1144
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 9: they've been doing enough habitat work to rebuild populations enough

1145
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 9: to offer a few special tags on the sharpiees and

1146
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 9: that's good, good for them.

1147
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well great, great having you on. What can

1148
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: people do to help you guys out before you go?

1149
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 9: So, you know, sage grouse this news in North Dakota.

1150
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 9: I'll tell you interesting story. I was talking to Jesse

1151
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 9: kolar As, the biologist for North to Go to Game

1152
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 9: and Fish about this. He said, Ted, you know, the

1153
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 9: sage grouse blinking out in North Dakota, sadly is something

1154
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 9: that we've seen coming for some time, right, he said,

1155
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 9: But what really scares him is that thirty to fifty

1156
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 9: years from now, sharp tail grouse in North Dakota might

1157
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 9: be in the same boat.

1158
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: For the same reason. I'm assuming, Yes.

1159
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 9: Habitat that's right. Grasslands are the most threatened ecosystem on

1160
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 9: the continent and then the world. But it's such a

1161
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 9: slow burn. It's like boiling the frog, right, I've heard

1162
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 9: that saying where you throw a frog into hot water

1163
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 9: jumps out. You're throwing a cold water turn around the heat.

1164
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 9: It'll die, it won't jump out. So it's like we're

1165
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 9: in this hot water and it slowly gets hotter every

1166
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 9: year and we're just not waking up to it. So

1167
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 9: what the Grouse Partnership really is focused on right now

1168
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 9: is trying to save lesser prairie chickens, which were recently

1169
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 9: listed under the Endangered Species Act. Keep in mind that

1170
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 9: as recently as eleven years ago you could hunt for

1171
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 9: lesser prairie chickens and today they're listed under the Endangered

1172
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 9: Species Act. And what we've done is we've reached out

1173
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,479
Speaker 9: to the best landowner, rancher, conservationist heroes we could find

1174
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 9: in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, and we've joined

1175
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 9: forces with them to pay them fair market value for

1176
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 9: the ecosystem services they have to provide on their healthy

1177
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 9: range lands. Services like clean air and water, healthy soil, oils, vegetation, wildlife, habitat,

1178
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 9: carbon storage. They don't get paid for it. They don't

1179
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 9: get they get cost share programs, but it doesn't it

1180
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 9: costs them money out of their pocket to save an

1181
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 9: endangered species. That's not right. If Americans want to save

1182
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 9: in dangered species, they should pay for it. And that's

1183
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 9: what we're trying to do. Eighty four percent of remaining

1184
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 9: grasslands are privately owned, most of those are range lands.

1185
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 9: Ranching pays less than any other form of land use.

1186
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 9: It's no wonder why grasslands are the most threatened ecosystem.

1187
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 9: Renewable energy, energy transmission, oil and gas, farming, feed loss,

1188
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 9: even woodland habitats and leasing for hunting can pay more

1189
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 9: than ranching. And that's why grasslands are the most threatened

1190
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 9: ecosystem on the continent and in the world. We want

1191
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 9: to pay these landowners who want to save lesser prairie

1192
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 9: chickens and other prairie grass species what it actually costs

1193
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 9: to keep grasslands in grass well.

1194
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: Great, thanks, thanks for all the good good work you're doing,

1195
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 2: and keep up the good work and maybe we'll check

1196
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 2: back with you in a few months and see how

1197
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 2: things are going well.

1198
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 9: Thank you for having me and for asking great questions.

1199
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 9: Glad to be here.

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01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 3: Thanks again. Thanks Jed.

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01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: Okay, that one is kind of some sad news there,

1202
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: but you know, you got to pay attention to what's

1203
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: going on. We're gonna lighting things up with a fan

1204
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 2: tip off and it says to pause for sound here, Phil.

1205
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 10: That's salty, Ya, that's salty.

1206
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,439
Speaker 3: I trimmed that one down and made it shorter because

1207
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 3: even I was like, this is this is too much.

1208
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: I love not my favorite one of your one of

1209
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: your your song intros, philm.

1210
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 3: I know we have varieties the Spicy Life.

1211
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm just being honest. That's fine, okay if you're not familiar.

1212
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: The Hot Tip Off segment is where two of our

1213
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: listeners go head to head with peating nuggets of hunting

1214
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: and fishing wisdom, and then we decide which one is

1215
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: hotter before we watch these hot tips. If you've got

1216
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: a hot tip, take like one minute. Don't make it

1217
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 2: longer than a minute, or we'll we'll toss it in

1218
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 2: the in the trash and send it to radio at

1219
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: the meat eater dot com. As long as it's like

1220
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 2: some what you feel useful tip that has like something

1221
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: to do with hunting fish in the outdoors, gear whatever,

1222
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: We'll look at anything, as long as it kind of

1223
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 2: falls under our umbrella and put the subject line hot

1224
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 2: tip off in there, and and it'll eventually get to

1225
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: where we can take a look at it and you

1226
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 2: might make it on the show.

1227
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 4: Oh and when really, I don't see it in the

1228
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 4: script here Brody, but you the live chat will be

1229
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 4: deciding the winner of this.

1230
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: Oh we're not to see you guys or not.

1231
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 4: We're a way in though, Yeah yeah, yeah, Korean Seth

1232
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 4: and Brody will weigh in. Maybe that will sway your vote,

1233
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 4: but I will I will open a pole after the

1234
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 4: video and you guys are going to choose the winner of.

1235
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 3: The high I like to influence the voters.

1236
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, So for today, we're talking fishing with

1237
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 2: hot tip offs today and we've got David McMurray from

1238
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: Kake Kro Hero that says pronounced Krokro, Georgia and Adam

1239
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: Smith he's from somewhere in America, and they've got a

1240
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 2: couple of hot fishing tips. So roll the tape, fell.

1241
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 6: Stephen McCurry, Hey meet either.

1242
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 11: This is David McCurry from Caro, Georgia, and my hot

1243
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 11: tip is using a clam knife to scale brim. As

1244
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 11: you know, clam knife is pretty dull, so that when

1245
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 11: you're putting pressure down on these big blue gill to

1246
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 11: remove the scale, getting cut down through the skin of

1247
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 11: the meat, which makes a scaling process pretty difficult after that.

1248
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 6: Also, it has a real stiff blade.

1249
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 11: So that when you're pulling against these thick scales on

1250
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 11: a big blue gill, the blade is not flex so

1251
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 11: you are able to pop the scales off relatively easy.

1252
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 11: And then the last thing I like about the clam

1253
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 11: knife is this rounded point. Once I remove the scales

1254
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 11: off the main part of the fish's body, I like

1255
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 11: to point my knife down to get along the edges.

1256
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 6: Of the fins.

1257
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 2: And he's doing a great child with his clam knife.

1258
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 11: As opposed to a regular clean knife. You don't take

1259
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 11: a chance of stabbing the point down into the fish again,

1260
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 11: making it difficult to.

1261
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 2: Clean your hands.

1262
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 11: My hot tip using a clam knife to scale a

1263
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:32,759
Speaker 11: big bluegill.

1264
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1265
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: Hey, this is Adam Smith coming out with a fishing

1266
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: tip straight from the lake. I'm out here walking the

1267
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: banks and I'm keeping a few bass, and I've got

1268
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: a great way for harvesting fish while you're walking instead

1269
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: of a changed stringer or a basket where you're having

1270
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: to carry it around, is taking the space in your hands,

1271
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: or you're hanging off of you and your fish are

1272
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: going in and out of the water and getting all

1273
01:08:58,400 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: beat up.

1274
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 3: Go down to the store pick up for real cheap

1275
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 3: a backpack, cooler.

1276
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: Pack it with three or four or five pounds of ice,

1277
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: and carry your fish around on your back.

1278
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 3: It works great. Mm hmm. The fisher right on you.

1279
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: Your hands are free, fish aren't getting beat up, they're

1280
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: staying cool. If it's hot out, It's a great way

1281
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: to keep fish while you're walking around.

1282
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 3: I hope you like the tip. Talk to you later.

1283
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 3: There you go. I liked them both.

1284
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but as a kid who dragged a lot of

1285
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 2: fish around on a stringer, they're like dying and getting warm,

1286
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: and you know, they look pretty bad by the time

1287
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: you get them home. Yeah, I like the cooler tip.

1288
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: I like the cooler tip too.

1289
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 3: You know, one time when I was a kid, I

1290
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 3: caught a bunch of trout one time Pennsylvania, and I

1291
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 3: didn't have a string or anything, but I had one.

1292
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, like the fishing vest in Pennsylvania.

1293
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: It's got the Yeah.

1294
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 3: Well, I threw the trout back there, got home, pulled

1295
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 3: him out, flayed him up, and then a couple of

1296
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 3: days later, like I washed it out, thought so at

1297
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 3: least a couple of days later, I'm like, what in

1298
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 3: the hell is stinking guys looking around and figured out

1299
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: that I had left a trout. Yeah, so the backpack

1300
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 3: would would have been a pretty pretty close close poll.

1301
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 3: Right now, it's neck and next trying to.

1302
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 5: The clam knife technique, I.

1303
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: Kind of figured you'd go. Here's why I think it's

1304
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: it's a it's it's it's a good tip, but it's

1305
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: like it falls second from me. It's because like anglers

1306
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,560
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin ain't buying clam knives to scale stuff, you

1307
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 2: know what I mean, you know they could, but there's

1308
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 2: a lot of tools you can use.

1309
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 5: The scale right right, Yeah, I mean I think I'm

1310
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 5: looking at the clam knife in the same way I

1311
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 5: might like, uh, the back of a butter knife or

1312
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 5: you know, just like a different just having a different,

1313
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 5: more blunter edge, you know, tool to do.

1314
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 2: You got enough info yet, philler you need to keep

1315
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: it is neck and neck.

1316
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 3: So if you if you are in the chat and

1317
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 3: you have not voted, get in there state right. What

1318
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 3: I like about the clam knife is like I like

1319
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 3: finding something that's not meant for that thing, using it

1320
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 3: for that like multip like catfish plyers. Like I think

1321
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 3: that's a crucial tool to have for a lot of

1322
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 3: fishing things like I use those to pull bones out

1323
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 3: of salmon. I use them for flame. It's just like

1324
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 3: it's not just made for you.

1325
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 2: Might be effecting the outcome here. While Feel is waiting

1326
01:11:54,200 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: for people to vote, our are our winner today is

1327
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 2: going to receive a Mediator hat, hoodie and T shirt

1328
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: combo and the T shirt Feel do you got the

1329
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 2: graphic ready? The T shirt is our new badass gnome

1330
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: T shirt. It's almost archery season, so we made a

1331
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: shirt with anome making a real lifelike three D unicorn

1332
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: archery target.

1333
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 5: Well see like carving it out of a tree stump.

1334
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, making his own three D target.

1335
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,520
Speaker 5: You guys, vote, Come on, folks.

1336
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 2: And I think the shirt comes out tomorrow on the website.

1337
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 2: Not positive about that, but I think it's tomorrow and

1338
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: they'll probably sell out pretty fast. So if you want one,

1339
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna want to hop on the website and get

1340
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: it ordered tomorrow.

1341
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 4: All right, voting is slowed down and wait, someone has

1342
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 4: pulled ahead. Okay, so we gotta go ahead and the

1343
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 4: poll and with fifty nine percent of the vote now

1344
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 4: the winner is Adam with the backpack.

1345
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 2: David, Sorry, man, this is a great hot tip, but

1346
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: Adam wins here. We don't know where Adam is from,

1347
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: but we'll have to we'll have to get in touch

1348
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 2: with him and contact him about his his.

1349
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 4: Uh keeping his fishing spots secret. Yeah, Casey thinks he's

1350
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 4: in the witness protection program. I also like that you

1351
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 4: could throw some cold beers in that cooler.

1352
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 2: Too, totally, man, that's the thing, like keeping that fish

1353
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 2: cold and like, because it's just like if you're it's

1354
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 2: like for a short bound angler. It's tough out there,

1355
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 2: it is. It's not like being a boat where you

1356
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 2: just like have room for a big cooler full of ice.

1357
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: So I think it's a great tip as long as

1358
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 2: you're willing to lug the waiter around.

1359
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 3: Yep.

1360
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 2: So that's uh, that's it for that. We got our winner.

1361
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 2: There are we going back to the chat one more time.

1362
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 4: Chat's pretty light, so but I'll hit a couple here.

1363
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 4: If you've got something stupid, even incredibly shallow, you have

1364
01:13:58,640 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 4: a great chance of being picked.

1365
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 2: I guess we're just not that interesting.

1366
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, More was getting the most questions and the

1367
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 4: chev people kept asking him about Hungary, what's it like

1368
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 4: to live there? What kind of stuff is equal that.

1369
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 7: Like?

1370
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 3: A couple of people.

1371
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 4: For our year anniversary, which is coming up in a month,

1372
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 4: which is crazy to think about it.

1373
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 5: We should ask questions about well.

1374
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 4: We're going to have you on the show soon. Andreas

1375
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 4: asks Krinn what her favorite Hunt or Hunt adjacent trip

1376
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 4: has been since she's worked here thus far.

1377
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 5: I think I love the water so much, so I'm

1378
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 5: gonna have to give it to the Bahamas trip a

1379
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 5: couple of years ago for Kimmy Werner's show We Were

1380
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 5: We were there with UH with Cam kirk Connell and

1381
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 5: Steve for for her first No No. I think it

1382
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 5: was a third episode of her series, and we did

1383
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 5: a podcast down there too, So it was it was

1384
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 5: watching them dive and spear and UH Steve put me

1385
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 5: on my first UH fish that I was able to

1386
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 5: spear in very shallow water because I had hard time

1387
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,560
Speaker 5: holding my breath for so long to die. But I

1388
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 5: would say that being being in the ocean and watching

1389
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,799
Speaker 5: those three pros do what they do, that was probably

1390
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 5: the most eye opening, exciting, wonderful trip for me. Yeah.

1391
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 4: Cool Nate asks any secret talents from us in the

1392
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 4: room that we just don't talk about because we're it's

1393
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 4: not not a part of the four verticals. Do you

1394
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 4: guys have anything that's not hunting related that you that

1395
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 4: you pride yourself on?

1396
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 2: Is Karin's weird taxidermy?

1397
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 3: I think.

1398
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 5: I haven't done a thing in a while. I probably

1399
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 5: need to go back and you know, make some make

1400
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 5: something squirrels.

1401
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 2: You got any weird talents that we don't know about?

1402
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 3: Not until I can think of off the top of

1403
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 3: my head.

1404
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 4: That's the thing about working at Meat Eater, Like, aside

1405
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 4: from me, like the people who are part of the crew,

1406
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 4: they work here because they're really their their their talent

1407
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 4: is they put on display here at the company.

1408
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean i'd.

1409
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 5: Say you guys like are handy as heck. No, I

1410
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 5: mean like with with building, with fixing stuff.

1411
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 3: Well, you know, like I fixed stuff thanks to YouTube.

1412
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 3: I'm actually getting ready to rebuild my trolling motor, which

1413
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 3: is gonna be a project, a project. Yeah.

1414
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of people don't close the gap

1415
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 5: between like going to YouTube and empowering themselves with the

1416
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 5: skills will like call someone else. But so I'd say

1417
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 5: that you guys have that.

1418
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm real good at grown cucumbers, Phil like really good

1419
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:56,440
Speaker 2: at grown cucumbers.

1420
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 5: Would say tomatoes too.

1421
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 2: I think you're oh, yeah, they're coming than Steve's thought

1422
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: about that. Yeah.

1423
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, is your garden just kicking butt this year?

1424
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 5: Well? Every year? He like brought in great lettuce the

1425
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 5: other year, and.

1426
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it's been it's been a pretty good garden year.

1427
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 5: Green thumb, Brody.

1428
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 3: Let's see.

1429
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:23,919
Speaker 4: There's one about just general Colorado elk archery tips from Andrew.

1430
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1431
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: I don't know where to start.

1432
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 3: I know, that's the thing I said. I said, even

1433
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 3: if they were shallow, Brody, I.

1434
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 2: Don't know where to start.

1435
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,480
Speaker 3: Walk further than most people.

1436
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 4: Networks any getting into berry season? Do you guys forage berries?

1437
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 3: Oh? And what's your favorite one? I'll tell you a

1438
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 3: little bit about my berry patch in my backyard this year.

1439
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 2: Did you guys transplant wild ones like Steve did, and

1440
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 2: you just grew from from it?

1441
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 3: While they came with the house when we bought the place. Yeah,

1442
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 3: but we've expanded it just by letting them grow. Yeah,

1443
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 3: but I don't know our berry patches maybe what kind

1444
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 3: of berries? Raspberries? It's maybe thirty thirty feet long, just

1445
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 3: like a row of raspberries, and we got probably close

1446
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 3: to six gallons of berries. Off of them this year.

1447
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 2: That's nice.

1448
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 3: And they're just they just every days. Wow, we pick

1449
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 3: them every single day.

1450
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 5: How to even keep them in a row? Aren't they

1451
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 5: like the what do you call them? The seven?

1452
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 3: Yeah? If I just let our yard go for a

1453
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 3: couple of years, the whole damn thing would be raspberries.

1454
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, we just pull them out with the mower

1455
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 3: and stuff.

1456
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 2: For wild berries, we try to get out. It's coming

1457
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 2: up on huckleberry season around Tier. That's the main thing

1458
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 2: around here for sure. In Colorado, we used to do

1459
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 2: service berries, which are okay, but they're very seedy. They

1460
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 2: got a lot like a seedy. It's not a pit.

1461
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 2: They just have a lot of seeds and they're they're

1462
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 2: good if you cook them down. And like, there's plenty

1463
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: of service berries around here, but compared to huckleberries, I.

1464
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 5: Don't even know what a service berry looks like.

1465
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 2: It is bushy thing.

1466
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 5: Are the actual berries like yellow?

1467
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 2: They look like a blueberry almost?

1468
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, okay, we're gonna be hitting some some blueberries here, yeah,

1469
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 3: Prince of Wales, Yeah we'll be.

1470
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: There's probably a lot of bears around because we'll be there.

1471
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 3: During Yeah, I'm hoping it's not. It depends. Last year

1472
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 3: we were like kind of borderlined late for the berries,

1473
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 3: which we might be too late this year. But I

1474
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 3: know with those up there, they get pretty wormy they go.

1475
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, we pull them and like if you let

1476
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 3: them soak for a little bit and some water, the

1477
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 3: worms come out and then you can yeah kind of

1478
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 3: you know whatever, throw them in some pancake batter.

1479
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Chase says, flip flop flesher, I have a

1480
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 4: frozen beaver that I sill need to take care of.

1481
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 4: I've never fleshed one myself. Should I buy a fleshing

1482
01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 4: beam or try to build one?

1483
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 3: If you have, Oh, you can build them pretty easily.

1484
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 3: My my beam is like a chunk of that log

1485
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 3: siding that like only one side of it is actually

1486
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 3: it's like dimensional lover except for one side that's like rounded.

1487
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 3: So we just took that and and kind of you know,

1488
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,799
Speaker 3: tapered the tip down and then mounted it on a stand.

1489
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 3: The stands probably the hardest part. Either gotta know how

1490
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 3: to weld to build a stand, or there's other options.

1491
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 3: You could you know, mount it to like a big

1492
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 3: heavy stump or something like that. Do a video tutorial building. Yeah, yeah,

1493
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 3: I could do that. Mine's a welded metal stand. I've

1494
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 3: seen them where like guys have mounted them just to like,

1495
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 3: you know, something heavy that's gonna but.

1496
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 2: You need that thing to get it done.

1497
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah for the most part. And I've seen

1498
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 3: some guys where they'll just like throw them over their

1499
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 3: knee and like flesh them with a knife. That's just

1500
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 3: some guys are good at John Hayes the taxi derm

1501
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 3: as he does stuff like do real quick.

1502
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 4: But Master Butcher, says philm my Son got cast as Gaston.

1503
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 4: Any tips to prep for such a character, I'm guessing

1504
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 4: referring to Gaston from Beauty and the Beast, and I

1505
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 4: would say the person I would say, just watch a

1506
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:17,839
Speaker 4: lot of Andrew Tait videos.

1507
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 3: Uh no, for the love of God, don't don't do that.

1508
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 3: That was a joke.

1509
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 4: I would say, a character like Gaston who thinks he's

1510
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 4: the hottest ship in the world but is actually not.

1511
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 4: When you buck on the stage, you want to project

1512
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 4: you're the hottest in the world, that have have like

1513
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 4: a secret character trait where he just he's like afraid

1514
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 4: of something very silly like mice or spiders. And don't

1515
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 4: tell anyone, but just kind of think about that when

1516
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 4: you're on the stage to kind of and and maybe

1517
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 4: that insecurity pokes through.

1518
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 3: That's that's my tip.

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01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 5: Hot film.

1520
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 2: It's almost like method acting almost.

1521
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then just yeah, pretend to be asked on

1522
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 4: for the next three months until you count on stage.

1523
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 3: All right?

1524
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: Is that it for today?

1525
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 3: Let's call it let's call it there.

1526
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a long show.

1527
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 3: It's a good one.

1528
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 2: All right, we're almost done. But I got to ask

1529
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: you guys one more favor. Chester's real board out out

1530
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: and with cons and he's got nothing to do, so

1531
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 2: we need you to send him send in some questions

1532
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 2: for Chester's Chettiquet series that we do here on the

1533
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: show where he answers various outdoor related ethical conundrums. Do

1534
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 2: we have Is there a chettiquet email? I should have

1535
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: found this out there?

1536
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 5: There is not the Yeah, they've come in multiple ways,

1537
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 5: like sometimes to our regular inbox. But let's have them

1538
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 5: go to radio radio app radio. We'll do that and

1539
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 5: then just put it chetiquet in the subject line.

1540
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 2: All Right, there you go. That's it for today. Thanks

1541
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 2: everyone for tuning in, and have a great weekend. We'll

1542
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 2: see you next week.

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01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:57,799
Speaker 3: Later folks,