WEBVTT - Bruce Allen 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.840 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left's Podcast. My 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:17.800 guest today is manager extraordinaire Ru Sale. We built the 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:22.040 careers of everybody from Backman Turner, Overdrive, to Michael Bubley, 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:25.279 to Brian Adams and many more. Bruce glad to have 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.400 you here. Great to be here, Bob, Great to be here. 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.240 It took me away from the elections. But that's okay, 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:33.240 I want to get away from it. Okay. Why do 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.080 you love Elvis so much? Well, I grew up in 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.080 that air, of course. You know, probably the first artist 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:43.599 I ever saw in in in Vancouver nine and um 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:45.760 I went. My mother took me, I remember, and uh 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.000 it was the only choice at that time. Bob. That 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.440 was when music was really changing, and uh he just 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.520 captured me. Uh the stuff he was doing, it just 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.200 changed my whole thing. Because I was listening to my 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.680 mother's songs on the radio, not knocking them. They were 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:01.680 decent songs. But I mean, all of a sudden, this 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.039 guy came out and I so, like John Lennon said, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.440 I said, for there was Elvis, there was nothing, And 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.920 I said, so I've all but I stayed and Elvis fan, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.840 I've got I knew you might talk about this. I 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.840 got eighty two books on Elvis in my house. Okay, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.160 if you have eighty two, how many books are there? 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.520 That must be every book? I don't know, but I'll 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.640 tell you I I there's so much always to find. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.680 And like my partner Tom Feldman was thinking about talking about, 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:30.840 I said, but all of a sudden you wanted, I said, Sam, 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.440 read these two books by Peter garrel Nick. Just read 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.560 these two that'll do it for you. You'll be that's enough. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.040 And I said, and he did, and he and he said, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.720 this is unbelievable. And the stuff that people find out 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.559 about him, he did, They didn't know this. I didn't 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.480 know that. I did. I think that, Wow, you know, 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.720 people are rediscovering Elvius all the time. I guess Bob 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.320 Well tell us a couple of things most people don't know. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.240 Boy well, you know, I thought I did not know 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.120 until three weeks ago, probably that he turned out. He 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.920 didn't turn down Dolly Parton turned down him singing the 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.320 Whitney Houston song. Okay, And I didn't know that ever happened. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.320 I just because Dolly Parton said it, and it was 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.519 I kind of it was kind of nice tie in 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.239 for me because I was sitting there Michael Booble, he 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.600 was in the midst of talking to her. We're doing 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.079 a duet with her on her new album. It's just 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.280 out there now. So it was kind of neat that 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.720 that fell in there. But the other thing that um, 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.079 I thought was and then and then of course the 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.040 other thing was interested about that song is I Will 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.320 Always Love You? Is that when they were getting divorced, 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.760 uh she he when they were walking out of the church, 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.400 out of the courtroom. He sang that song to Priscilla 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:37.840 as he held her head and walked out the door. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.560 You are you are a fault of all kinds of 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.360 information that that that's amazing. You have eighty Elvis books 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.280 if you read them all, yes, sir, okay. And are 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.840 you a collector of anything else? Yes, sir, I have 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.840 Uh Bob, I got some great stuff. I got Elvis 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.560 is barber chair. That's something got for me out of 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:01.040 Graceland when he they he aged them over. It was 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:02.880 in a storage thing and that girl got it for 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.519 me who worked there. Um, I've got I've got what 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.800 I put the three things side by side. They're all 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.000 framed one piece and I gotta send you the picture 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.840 of it. It's a it's Elvis Presley's work schedule on 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.200 one night ers in in the yes and seventy four, 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:22.600 seventy four, and it the schedule is staggering. It's every day, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.519 two shows on the weekend. Blah blah blah, all this stuff. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.120 And then then beside it was was was Colonel Parker's 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.440 uh letter to him that saying, I'm working on Bakersfield. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.320 It's gonna be sold out. Don't you worry. I'll see 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:35.600 you when you get there. So on and so forth, 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.840 because the colonel always stayed ahead of him, never watched 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:39.320 the show. He was ahead of him setting up the 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.960 next one and the next one. I bought from Wayne Newton, 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.280 who got it from a maid in Las Vegas who 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.960 was cleaning up Elvis's room. And he wrote a letter 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.640 to God saying that take me away from this, take 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:54.280 me away from this. I I don't want to be 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.400 in this life anymore. I've had you know this thing. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.720 And then he took it, and you wrote you rippled 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.600 it or put in his fist, close his fist into 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.600 the garbage. She took it out. He got it this 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.920 way way Newton find it, got it, he sold it 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.520 to me, and I put it in the frame. I 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.840 put here's his work schedule, here's what his manager has 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:16.920 to say, and here's what he feels like. Unbelievable. Of course. Uh. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.080 The Colonel Tom Parker's story is an amazing story. He 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.400 came from Carnivals. Supposedly he was an illegal alien, which 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.480 is why Elvis could never tour outside of the US, 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.200 and additionally had a fifty fifty deal. So as a manager, 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.960 what do you think of Colonel Tom Parker? I think 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.000 Colonel Tom Parker. Now, I have arguments all the time 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.240 with this. I had a good argument Jerry Shilling, not 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.680 probably ten years ago. Now, okay, don't Jerry for a while. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:44.960 And I used to get onto Colonel Parker cause I 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.559 thought he was probably the worst manager in the history 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.120 of the music business. But Jerry Shilling and they stand 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.200 up for him. And Jerry Silly was Elvis's best friend, 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.720 one of them, and he said, what you're saying that 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.920 because of what you know now, we didn't know anything. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.880 We were breaking the trail. We had no we had 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:02.560 no idea what we were doing. We had no one 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.920 to look up to. We were the pioneers. It's easy 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:06.440 for you to say, why didn't you work four days 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:07.840 a week, Why did you do this? Why did you 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.800 put the stupid routing together? You know? And and uh 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.520 and and so he stuck up for him. No other 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.600 people stand up for because of some of the deals 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.640 he made. The deals he made in the movie business 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.559 were great, but he was stuck on that million dollars. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.640 We made a million dollars and a million dollars there 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.520 is another million dollars and a million dollars. He made 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.960 those ship films after he made about five good ones, 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.040 just because the Colonel was getting a big cut of it. 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.400 But it was not at that time. It was fifty percent. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.480 He got that deal later on when Elvis was at 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:39.400 a drugged out stupor uh in in Memphis and he 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.520 and he colonel went in there and got him to 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.680 sign it. He probably didn't know even though he signed it. 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.640 But it wasn't fifty for the get go. Okay, so 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.920 what was it from the get go? I think it's 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.320 a standard deal. I mean that from what I understand 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:56.400 I've been told, and I think that's probably right. I 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.640 have not seen his contract with him. Okay, let's go back. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.480 So you grew up in Vancouver. Yeah, And how many 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:10.599 generations was your family in Canada? Uh? Third? Three? Oh? Really? 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.720 So who came and what was their idea? My my 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.760 grandparents came, or my mother's grand my mother's my father's 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.600 grand my father's parents came, and a typical coming from England. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.200 And I just wanted to get out of England and 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.480 take going to the New Land. And it was fine. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.400 I guess they did fine in Vancouver. I can't say 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.200 I was poor. I can't say they didn't have a job. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.840 They did well, and uh not we were rich by 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.160 a stretch of the imagination. But I like my grandmother 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.120 because she she wanted to send the sons to learn 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.119 something that set this gate. She gave them one away ticket. 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.360 One kid went to San Diego, became an engineer and 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.160 under a deep seat tanker engineer. The other one was 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.120 sent to South Africa the one way ticket, and he'd 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.640 be worked in the diamond business, naturally, in the mining business, 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:57.480 and and and and uh. Then I was born and 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.080 raised in Vancouver. After that, my mom came from the 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.920 pig uh and I I never met her parents because 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.640 she was more or less spirited out of the house 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.520 by a woman who took pity on her by the 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.840 way she was treated and asked if she could come. 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.360 She would take her to her place in Winnipeg from 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.480 a place up north in Manitoba, and she raised my mom. Okay, 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.960 so what did your parents do for a living? My 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.680 dad was a deep sea engineer and a tanker went 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:27.280 around the world delivering oil for him. And how often 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.240 was he home? He's one of those jobs four months on, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.280 four months off day for day when you're doing deep 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.760 sea work like that. And how many kids in the 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.320 family to me and my brother and I and your brother. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.880 My brother's retired. I don't know how much money he made, 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.080 but I but he retired a lot earlier than me. 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.760 He's a younger brother and he's driving around his motorcycle 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.120 now and having a good time. I shake my head sometimes. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.120 And what kind of relationship do you have with him? Good, good, 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.680 solid relationship. You know, he has to be Bruce Allen's brother. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.760 And in this town that's not you know, that's a 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.840 little bit more difficult than me. Okay, Vancouver is a 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:05.480 very hip, modern town today. What was it like when 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.920 you were growing up? Well, it's funny for me. I'm like, 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.840 kind of like that Bruce Springsteen story he ended up. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.120 I didn't. I've never moved more than five miles from 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.920 my host where I was born. And uh, but where 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.000 would you go here? In Vancouver? It's a great city. Uh. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.480 And when I grew up in school, I enjoyed high school. 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.800 I enjoyed going to school. I had no problem with 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.400 that because I my mom. My father died when I 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.520 was twelve. I was raised by my mom and in 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.760 those days, in those days, Bob, you were raised by 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.280 the neighborhood. If you're in that situation. My mom had 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:38.720 to go to work, I had to go to school. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.640 So I'd come home from school, I have to check 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.760 in with the neighborhood. Give you a sandwich and maybe 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:44.679 a glass of milk, and then you know, you played 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.160 with their sons or whatever. You went out, but you 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.640 had to check in with the with the neighborhood. So um, 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.520 I went to school. I went to school into a 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.800 school where very wealthy kids in that school, the high 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.520 class area. But I had to walk. Guys not in 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.720 that area had to walk to school. So it's about 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.079 two mile walk, two mile walk to school, and and 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.240 I watched what was going on when I was growing up, 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.480 and these kids got driven to school and Mercedes, or 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.760 when they got to be seventeen or they got their 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.240 own Mercedes and stuff like that. And I'm sitting there, 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.120 you know, walking to school, and I think, I think 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.480 it's been the driver of my entire life, is trying 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.800 to raise myself up from that. So I started working. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.160 I started working building trucks in Canadian Kenworth when I 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.679 was eighteen. Well, well, well let's slow down before that. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.920 So what kind of kids were you? Were you like 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.480 the leader the kids? Yeah? I was a leader, There's 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.040 no doubt about it. Um. I was a half past 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.120 athlete as a very good runner tract team. I played rugby, 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:47.839 but they wouldn't let me play rugby because of my 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.520 track stuff except on the outside wing. So I was 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.760 in the violent part of it. And uh you know, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.480 I ran pretty well, Bobby. I got a Canadian record 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.079 for a while, and a half mile races had or 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.520 eighty yards in those days. I think it's the eights now. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.439 And uh, you know, I enjoyed high school. I really 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.280 enjoyed high school. And I discovered music really when I 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.120 was in high school. The real. I broughtened my base 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.079 from Elvis, and I really got into James Brown, the Icon. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.679 Tina Turner review Fats Domino. I really really a big 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.560 fan of black music. And I was there when they 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.520 brought those Dick caravan of stars all the way up 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.640 there and they came in with you. Everybody got up 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.520 there and saying three songs they every Brothers Paul like, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.839 and they just loaded it up with people. And I 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:33.400 used to go to every one of those and I 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.280 was but I was really fascinated by the black music 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.679 because of just what they put out. You go to 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:41.600 a James Brown show when he was in his heyday, 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.520 it was terrified. And I continue to turn and review. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.720 The first time I ever saw a strobe light, Um, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.679 I Turner was looking, where's the strobe bladey walked off 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.160 the stage, walked up to the side of the thing 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.559 where the platform was got on it sure turned on 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.480 this so this stool blake walked back and it's just 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.760 it was I love that black music. The s was fantastic, 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.240 And because we were in Seattle, close to Seattle, they 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.080 always came up there. Seattle came up to Vancouver, Seattle 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.079 came up to Vancouver. That was the next stop and 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:08.760 that was probably the only show they even did in 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.680 Canada at that time. Went back to the seats. Okay, 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.720 so your mother played music in the house. How did 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:20.199 you actually become aware of Elvis um because he came 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.400 on TV, had Sullivan. That's the first time everybody I 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.800 heard him before that. I can remember my uh that 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.719 was the first time I saw. I saw him was 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.520 on Ed Sullivan, I think, and I remember my mother 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.120 sitting there and holding onto herself saying, I can't look 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:39.599 at his eyes. I can't look at his eyes. And 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.760 I'm just sitting there looking at this guy saying, Wow, 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:46.880 this is really something really different, and uh it I 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:48.680 think it set me on the path. I I play 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.599 Elvis every single day, okay, I have. I only have 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.920 a few stations and serious on the on my radio 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.719 and Elvis is one of them, the Elvis Channel, And 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.120 uh I find you know it was I've had these thrills, 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.079 like Michael Bob was the first guy to go in 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.439 and do the duet with Elvis on the duets on 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.800 the duet album they did for the with the London Symphony. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.599 It was a big deal. But Michael's a fan, So 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:13.960 you're not like me, but I mean, he's a fan. 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:15.679 And so for me to go in there to see that, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.319 that was great. Priscilla Presley put Michael Boobley on the 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.760 Walk of Fame in Hollywood, all this stuff. You know, 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.760 it's I'm still kind of tied into that organization, and 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:26.800 I'm proud to do that because I think that, let's 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:31.000 face it, he laid the groundwork absolutely. Now, in a 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.560 slightly later era with the Beatles, they were on TV 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.000 and then everybody wanted to become a performer, they got 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.040 a guitar whatever. Since you saw Elvis, did you ever 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:43.160 want to become a performer? No, no, not a not 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.000 a chance, because I think I knew my limitations. But 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.040 I was very upset when the Beatles came because I 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.720 was the Elvis guy. I was never a big Beatles fan, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.040 but I did see the Beatles in Vancouver, the same 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:57.000 place as Elvis in Vancouver, and uh and uh it's 0:12:57.200 --> 0:12:59.599 uh it picked sides in those days. To me, the 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.120 Beatles were a girls group because I'm listening to she 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.120 Loves You, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know and and all 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.400 this stuff, and I never bought into it. I went 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.520 to the show, and I saw it and it was 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.400 very It was very good actually, with a big bill 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.199 like Jackie Deshat and and Exciters and all these other 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:14.880 hecks on it. It was It was a good show 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.679 and everything else. But I wasn't a Beatles fan, so 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:21.000 I really can't speak about the Beatles with that much intelligence. Okay, 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.200 So in high school when you become a big music fan, 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.760 is it mostly the radio or do you have records 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.800 to how do you feed your addiction? Definitely the radio 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.240 and all the time. And I bought albums continually, and 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.520 I still have all those albums downstairs I got. I 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.760 got them in my in my office downstairs, in the 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.000 basement of this building. And there's about I would say 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.240 now because I get in some away, probably not not 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.599 that men. Seven thousand albums down there, and you know 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.480 what I'm doing right now to Bob, which is amazing. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.120 I got all these c ds. I got twenties seven CDs, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.640 and I'm sitting there and I'm going through them every day. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.400 I put them in a in a when I'm up 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.440 around the house walking around, I put it in a stacker. 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.920 I got a twenty c D stacker and it kicks 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:07.520 these things out and I'm playing them in an order, 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.520 just as all. It's all alphabetical in my in my 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:12.960 the way I stack all my CDs in my host. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.320 But it's really funny because my girlfriend sits there and said, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.320 what are we on now? He said, this is gonna 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.840 be a long chapter. This is miscellaneous, this is this 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.280 is this is all the greatest hit stuff that come 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.040 in the great of the deep soul stuff from Dave 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.280 Girl and and those guys you know who did those 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.720 great soul albums under the UK. I've playing all that 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:31.600 stuff now, and I'll play one after the other right now, 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.160 mane is I've only at the ms that I've been 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.640 starting since the beginning of the year, and it's, uh, 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.680 it's it's kind of neat to hear that old stuff, 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.480 and I'm gonna hang onto it. I certainly have hung 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.360 on to all my stuff. I have all my vinyl 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.720 from the beginning, a little scratched up. But does this 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.080 music you said, you're going literally from me to Z 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:50.560 how much of it holds up? And how much of 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.760 you say? Well, that was a period thing and I 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:54.560 liked it then, but it's really not that good now 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.680 I have I have I have a chopping bag in there, Bob. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:59.280 And when I don't like the CD, and I'm never 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:00.680 going to play it again because I know I'm not 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.560 now into the bag it goes. Okay, I am cutting 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.280 it back that much. But I looked at it today 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.240 and uh before I came down here, and I got 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:10.840 it probably about fifty in there. And I think we're 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.360 going to convert him into uh, they'll be hanging up 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.680 in a tree. I gotta decorate this tree outdoors for charity, 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.240 and I think there's gonna be all these old CDs 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.920 spinning around up there. Okay, So let's go back to 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.680 you were mentioned you graduating from high school. Is there 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.200 any thought how good a student are you in school? 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.600 I passed, okay, So there was never a thought of 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.800 going to college or any education beyond that. No. You see, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.720 I went right to work with the Canadian ken Worth 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.320 too um uh to actually to be honest, to get money. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.200 And of course when you start that building trucks, and 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.440 I was welding trucks and truck cabs and stuff like that. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.160 I did it for a couple of years and I 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.320 really liked the money. I'd handing money before this is fantastic. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:49.800 Got my money, I got I got a car. All 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.320 the kids who went to school, they got no car. 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.440 I got a car. I got time to go out 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.480 there and do go to things I wanted to do. 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:57.600 And then all of a sudden, the guys on the 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.920 line said to me, listen you and do more than this. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.520 You don't want to stay here. You're like twenty years old. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.520 I've been here for forty years. Believe me. I know 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.080 you like the money, but get out of here. Get 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:11.880 out of here, go to school. You're not stupid. Get 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.760 to go to school. So I signed up to go 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.800 to university and I went uh one year, I got 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.400 the second year, and I started a third year. And 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.840 that's when I A guy came up to a football 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.880 player owned a club in Vancouver. He knew my love 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.520 of music, and he said, listen, I got this new 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:33.640 band from Hong Kong, White guys with uh Hong Kong 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.000 Chinese drummer. And he said, I'll let you take a 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.880 look at him, because I think that can really happen. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:41.120 But they don't know what to do, they don't know 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:42.880 how to act in this and that. And I walked 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.480 in there, Bob, and it was they were a Beatles band. 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.520 So here I am the guys playing English music, Scott Walker, 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.720 the Walker Brothers, Okay, the Hollies, all this stuff, and 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.160 I said there, wow. I mean I'm not a fan 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.760 of this stuff. But the guy says, can you help 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.680 them out because if you go to all the show's 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.960 boost turn these guys into some kind of an act 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.399 on stage. And I said yeah, okay, And I mean, 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.359 you know, they did other songs too, but basically they 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.919 played a lot of English music. And I brought up 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:12.760 in a town where it was the R and B bands, 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.520 mostly white white bands with black front men, and uh, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.840 all of a sudden, there this this club when we 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.920 started working on like that started to take off because 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.840 they were playing the music that was really coming up 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.920 and the other clubs weren't. And I took that band 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.080 called the Five Man Cargo, and I remember I got 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.440 a chance to go to Chicago with a band called 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.440 the Mob, which was that comes some guys from the 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.160 Bucking Hands, kind of a drag guys, and also Wayne 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.480 Cocher and the CC Riders who you heard of, and 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.440 ended up playing these bowling alleies in and they play 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.840 in bowling alleys in Chicago, and I thought, I don't 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.040 want to redo this, and we went back to Vancouver 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:55.720 and I took that band and I started a booking 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.800 agency and I booked it myself and managed them. And 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.199 then all of a sudden, as club owners do, they 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.480 look around other people in town and say, that gets 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.400 They're really doing good there. But the music we're playing, 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.280 the kids really like that other music. I'm gonna go 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.280 up see if I can get that band. So they 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:12.879 came to me and they asked, me, if you know, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.000 would you take these guys out of here and put 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.520 them I'd like to bring them my club. What are 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.399 you're making and say, okay, well we'll pay you more, 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.639 you know the drill and uh. I said okay, but 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.840 I'll tell you what. Because I kind of was an 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.840 economics major in school, I was going to be one. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.560 I thought I would turn into Jimmy Hoffa, but I 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.439 said listen. I said, I'll come to your club if 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.120 I can get out of this one. And I said, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.000 but here's the deal. I gotta pull this band out 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.000 of here and I'm gonna put another one in here. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:39.760 But when I come to your club with this band, 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.680 I'd like to have the booking rights for that club 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:45.040 for the rest of the year, and the guy made 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.560 the deal. And I did that quite a bit, moving 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.679 these couple of bands I had by that time around. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.640 And by the time that Bato came into town looking 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.760 for work because Randy got you know, left the guests 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.760 who and he couldn't they didn't, he couldn't get any work. 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.920 He came to the West coast because I hadn't locked 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.320 up at that time, I had seventeen clubs downtown, and 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.159 I mean downtown in that time. At that time, in 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:09.560 the early seventies, bands are making two thousand dollars a week. Okay. 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.399 They don't make that anymore, okay, And so I had 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.159 this booking agency and that's how Randy Backman and I met, 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.000 and that's when I started to move away from the 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:21.400 agency and into the management side. Okay, let's slow down 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.200 and go back to the beginning. You knew the football 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.920 player hooked you up with the band, he owned a club. 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.560 What was your role in that first club. My only 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.639 role was looking after that band and getting them to 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.560 turn them into a real performing act. That was it. Okay, 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.280 No no relationship to the club at all, just just 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.960 to help with that music. So when you had seventeen clubs, 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.080 you were essentially the agent. You weren't an owner in 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.480 any of those clubs. No, I was not okay. When 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.760 you had seventeen bands, were they all local bands or 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.320 did you represent anybody outside of the Vancouver area. I 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.040 had it locked up so that people who want to 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.440 play in Vancouver, because it was a very valuable market, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.399 came to me and I booked him. But out of 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.719 the seventeen bands will be working on a regular basis, 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:11.600 at least a dozen of them were Vancouver. Okay, And 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.720 it first it was obviously just yourself. As you got seventeen, 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.960 you know, when you're working seventeen clubs, etcetera, did you 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.719 hire anybody? I just hired an assistant. That's all at 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.000 that time. And you can do it that way. You're 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.000 just booking stuff, You're not you know, that's all you're doing. 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.159 It's not it's it's phone work, to tell you more 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.399 than anything else. I had a deal though. My deal 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:32.879 with the clubs was I come up there. I can 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.920 collect my money every Saturday night, but I just take 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.560 my money, just put my money separate my ten So 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:40.440 after chase these bands all over the place to get it. 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.479 So I made straight about Saturday night. I'd hit all 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.679 those places, get my money, and that'd be for the week. Okay. 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.520 Back in that era, you know, the music business was 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.000 a cash business all the way, even you know, up 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.920 through the seventies. So did your you know, nightclubs have 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:59.400 a checkered history, did you have any problem collecting your money? Um? 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.400 I own I got. I only got stiffed probably once, 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.080 and that's why I pulled my money off early. Okay, 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.320 so the band never really got paid. I got mine 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:11.879 first in the clubs they went along with, because the 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.600 clubs don't pay bands until they're finished either. So no 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:16.560 that they say I was making. If the guys making 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.480 can say we only paid me, you're a hundred and 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.160 fifty dollars short. You know, I gave it to the agent. 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.080 So I didn't really have those battles. But we had. 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.359 We had the market really sewn up here well, and 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:31.840 it was people behaved. I hate. Vancouver is a good 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.720 size city, but seventeen clubs, that's a lot for one 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:38.879 town to support. Yeah, but I mean a Seattle was 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:42.320 also very good. Uh. I can tell you know, I 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.200 can go, I can walk down the street in Vancouver 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:47.560 two blocks that I had eight seven of those clubs 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:51.000 in two blocks, two and a half blocks. And what 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:56.520 was driving attendance at those clubs? Music? Everybody was And 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.919 I mean, you know, David Foster played on my circuit. 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:04.600 Uh you know, uh he lubber Boy was pulled off 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.840 that circuit. Uh back Matron over drive of course before 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.080 their back Matron over drive by Belt. Uh. But some 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.520 most of the big bands in Canada came through there 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.359 and worked on their way up. And uh it was. 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:20.000 It was a really really strong musical town and great 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.280 great radio too because Red Robinson was here. What he's 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.280 a rock and Roll Hall of Fame disc jockey and 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:25.960 he had done a lot of work he brought to 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.520 black music up here, and we you know, he knew 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:30.480 he didn't follow. In those days, you made your own 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:36.000 top forty Okay, now it sounds like you were working 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.600 around the clock. Were you making good money? Is making 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.040 really good money? I kept my tax returns and I 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.560 looked at him about two years ago. I was doing 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:47.440 pretty good, you know, in those days, and and and 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.480 and and yeah, but you're young. You can work hard. 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.320 It's not absolutely And get where am I hanging around 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.760 lots of broads, lots of fun, and I'm in the 0:22:54.800 --> 0:23:00.239 clubs big It's not that bad. And then single to right, 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:02.560 So what happened at school? How do you decide to 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:06.400 part ways with school? Um? I could I look where 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.399 I was going and what I was thinking of majoring in. 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:10.439 I could see the end of the road. I can 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.439 see you stay here, You'll be making fifty grandy here, 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.800 that's about far. How far are you're doing? And you'll 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:16.680 have a nice wife and two kids. You're living in 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:18.720 the suburbs. And and I just said no, I'm not 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.760 going to do it. And I just quit that quick 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.240 school and just went to music full time. Okay, so 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.520 the guests who breaks up? So what exact year does 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.159 Randy Backman track you down? And what does that look like? 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.600 He phones me up and he says, introduced himself and 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:35.920 the Brandy back And says, I know Randy, you know 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.280 who you are. He said, listen, Um, I got a 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:41.560 band together and I'm paying everybody. It's my brother and 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.879 to my brother's a manager, and uh, he says, the 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:48.040 bad guitar players is my brother and Fred Turner. I 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.440 got this guy called Fred Turner can really singing my drummers, 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:54.040 my other brother, and uh, I'm I'm looking after everybody, 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.000 he says, But I can't work and I need some work. 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:58.040 And I know you got that market side up, science 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.239 sealed up. So what's the chance that can I work 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:04.720 in the area? And I thought, Randy Backman on the guests, 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.600 who was all the songs that they've done, Surely to god, 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.240 he's gonna come here and I get him to Yeah, 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.680 and I'll probably come here and he'll play the guest 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.720 whose songs? Why wouldn't he And he'll it's got to 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.399 be good. Randy Backman's a name in our country. And 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:20.399 so I said, I'd like to see and he says, well, 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.480 we got a job at Fort McMurray. That's the oil 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.360 fields up north of Edmonton. He says, a nice, I'll 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.240 fly up there to see you. So I went up 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.040 there and it was really good. It was really good. 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:31.359 I mean, he sang all the right songs. He's you know, 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.280 they covered Burton's ass with his brothers and they got 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.840 it done. And I brought him into the clubs, and 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:38.399 of course he didn't want to be in the clubs, 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.080 but he just wanted to get up the boys off 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.600 the payroll. So he wanted to get some steady money 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:47.159 coming in. But he um he was working on another record. 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:49.160 Brave Belt was the name of the band at that time. 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:54.440 The band, the record came out, didn't do anything. He 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:58.200 started on another record and uh it was. It was 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.600 the first actually turned into the first Beach Yeo record. 0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:03.399 And he came to me and he said, what are 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.160 you think? And I said, this is a good Randy. 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:07.120 I says, what are you gonna who are you gonna 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.200 get to manage you? And he said, well, listen, would 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:13.720 you be interested in it? And he said, you know 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:15.960 more about managing a band than I do. I mean, 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:18.119 what do I know? I've been sitting in Vancouver but 0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:20.119 all the time doing this, right, You know how to 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.440 manage a band, Randy, He says, yeah, but I don't 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:23.880 know how to go in there all the time saying 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.800 I want, I want, I want, I want. He says, 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.199 So I think you can do it. I said okay. 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.399 So I said, okay, let's give it a go. I 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.440 had to get somebody to come in to work on 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:36.720 my agency, and Sam Feldman, who's a friend of mine 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:38.760 and worked at the different clubs, and he had a 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:42.119 small book and agency of different bands, mora alternative that 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.879 I wasn't really that interested in the club circuit. And 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:48.159 he said, I said, Samwich, like, come in. I might 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.040 have to leave it like to get you bring into 0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:53.640 the company. And I said, it's funny thing as I said. 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.560 He said, well, okay, but what are you gonna pay me? 0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:59.359 I said, well, listen, I don't know what's going to 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.080 happen here. You take care of this. I'll look after you. 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:03.800 Blah blah. We'll split it up here, you know, we'll 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.239 just split it, okay, because I thought I could hang 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.280 on to his bands. I got my bands. I'll take 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:12.320 this shot. But because I knew if Backman Overdrive failed, 0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:16.240 I'd come back and be gone anyway, so you know, 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:20.000 because let's face it. So anyway, we went up to Randy. 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.280 We took out the record and got turned down. But wait, wait, wait, wait, 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.520 wait a little bit slower. Yeah, so you made that 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:28.639 deal with Sam yea and did you give him fifty 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:32.840 of Backman at that point of your interest the mind? No, No, 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:37.800 so it was only okay. So they okay, so tell 0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.040 me go back to the record. So so we get 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.720 the record finished, and we go to shop and off 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:45.240 we go. We go to New York, we get turned down. 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:49.199 We go to to uh Los Angeles, we got turned down. 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.320 Randy will say in his book, I don't think he's 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:53.160 that many, but he said, we got down turned down 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.960 by twenty seven record companies, which is probably pretty close. 0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.960 And uh so, all of a sudden, we got a 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.280 phone call and we didn't even go to this place, 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.680 from a guy called Charlie Fash, working Mercury Records in Chicago. 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.000 Of course we didn't go to Chicago. We didn't think 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.600 of any labels in Chicago. But he came. He said, listen, 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.200 I've heard this record. Could I come out and see 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:16.320 you guys? So I said, we said okay. Out came 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:21.159 Charlie Fash and he said, you know this record, this 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.040 record is really close. He said, but if you can 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.879 just get me, I think maybe you're a song or 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:30.240 too short. And Randy went back. He said okay, and 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:33.560 we started working on some stuff and sent it back 0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:36.640 to Charlie and Charlie said, I'm gonna sign you guys. 0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:42.760 So he signed us. Now, Randy, that's what he wants. 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:43.920 He just he wanted to get he didn't want to 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.040 be a Canadian guy stuck up in Canna, so we 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:49.080 signed to them for whatever the deal was. Alan stein Or, 0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:52.040 a lawyer in New York who ready had used before, 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:53.960 took care of the deal. So we were signed to 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:58.760 Mercury Records. And Randy said, listen, if we gotta we're 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:00.480 gonna break this record, we gotta go on the road. 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.600 That's how you do it, and that's how you did it, okay. 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:07.760 And I could see it was really funny because I 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:12.880 was Randy. Randy Backman didn't want to travel in buses 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.200 because he remembers one time he said, I was coming 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.119 into a down a hill into revel Stoke, which is 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.879 a scheme country in in Vancouver in the BC, and 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.280 the brakes failed and he said we had to go 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.720 down there. The roady guy kept the thing on the 0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:30.680 course as best as he could, try to slow it 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.720 down by shift down, shifting everything else. We came to 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:34.800 the spot and he said, jump out. I remember hanging 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:36.760 out of my guitar and jumping into a snow bank. 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:38.720 He said, So I never wanted to be on a 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:41.640 bus again. So we drove. We drove everything. I drove 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:45.120 across back and forth across the USA six times, and 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.680 he it was me and him in the front and 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:51.480 three guys in the back of a car and and 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.920 with our stuff piled up, not our equipment, but our clothes, 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.560 our suitcases. That and you know, it was the best 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:02.400 thing I ever did, because I would never missed one show. 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:04.920 You know, in those days, we had two trees on 0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.720 the side, some kind of and all the p a 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.560 stacked on the stage. So I get bored, I'd call 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.960 the lights. I do the lights, you know, become fill 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.360 up the day, take my money and go to the 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:17.800 next city. And we did that for years until we broke. 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:21.320 And we when we broke, it really broke because the 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:25.040 Mercury Records they focused and focused on that act we were. 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.040 I was. I was one of the big big acts 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:30.440 on a very small label. You can't beat it, sorry, 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.800 on a major. No, it wasn't not a major, Bob, 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.360 It's a mid major. And we they did a great 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.560 job for us. And you know, it's really funny because 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:40.960 I remember the guy, when the guy who came in there, 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:43.800 he was a new genius. He was a guy who 0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:45.960 got great marks in college and had a college radio. 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:49.040 He walked into that radio into that company, and that's 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:54.200 where I met Cliff burnsday. Of course, of course, let's 0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:57.080 have a big act by that. Let's go back a 0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:00.640 little bit. Um, did you have paper with beat eo? No? 0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:05.280 Do you have paper with your acts today? No? Okay? 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.480 And if you ever had a situation, I don't know 0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:14.040 in the acts ever leave you? Um No, not any 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.840 big act that I've ever had. Um. I don't even 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:22.240 think a small act did. But uh, the only act, 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:27.960 the only act that that I I stopped and I 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:33.520 she she didn't leave as I did, and I only 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:37.280 did it. I had my reasons for doing it, but 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:39.560 I love doing it. I missed doing it. I was 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.320 in Martina McBride in the country music business, and we 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.800 did a good job with her. She's got you know. 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.880 She she was second to Reba McIntyre when I left 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.760 it on top of thirty radio top thirty records in 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:54.760 country business, in the country business, and I just felt 0:30:55.080 --> 0:31:01.000 that I was managing two people, managing her and has 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:04.280 managed her husband and her husband's a lovely guy. But boy, 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.320 it's difficult. And um, you know, I always used to 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.640 say to my assistant, used say, she's how is it? 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:12.040 I says, the meeting is great, but as I drove 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.480 away from the house, I know there's always one more meeting, 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.320 and you know, and and sometimes I'm not I'm not 0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:21.520 knocking women marrying guys and bands and they really don't 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.160 bother me. But I mean, that was a difficult one. 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.640 That was a woman in the first place, and a husband, 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:31.840 and I I could see myself nearly in that same situation, 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:36.080 because all of a sudden, she's exploding and you're mare 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:37.800 illegal what you want to be involved? You want to 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:39.560 do this? And John was a smart, smart guy. You 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.840 ran a good sound company. He was a smart guy. 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:45.680 But just just too many phone calls, too many phone calls. Well, 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.040 certainly those of us who have gotten midnight phone calls 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:57.720 from John at length, you certainly no, let's go back. Okay, 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:01.000 A lot of very big acts at this late date, 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.480 when they become that big, they asked for reduction in 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:09.160 management percentage. Has that been your experience? No, I'll tell 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:14.640 you why I take it. I take of these bands. 0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:20.320 I take after the agents. Money is gone. I take 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.120 after the sound of lights. Basic sound of lights is gone. 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.240 I don't believe in commissioning stuff that they don't even 0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:32.800 see it's just flow through. Money's gone. Okay, I don't 0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:36.840 work with business managers. Okay, we look after all their money. 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.320 We take care of all the money. We don't we 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.719 take care of the mines to take care of all 0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.520 the money. To the point where here's the money, here's 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.520 your money, here's my money. And I think it's their 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.880 job to get a tax problem. I just have my 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:52.560 job to get them a tax problem. They got to 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:55.360 solve it. So I've never worked with business managers, which 0:32:55.480 --> 0:33:00.880 I find I'm not. I just find it they get 0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:05.480 involved where areas they shouldn't. Okay, So well, just to 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:08.760 go this deep, will you give any investment advice to 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:12.840 some of these bands? Okay, let's go back to bt O. 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.440 It goes from Brave Belt goes to bt O. First 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.760 album comes out. I know where the track is blue Collar. 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.280 That's the one that the single. Yet that gets some 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:25.080 regional play such it in the Midwest. It's successful, not 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:28.920 really successful. We certainly the East goes the second album 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:35.320 has taken care of business. Actually I had uh no, 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:37.080 that's it's it's not the first big track. The big 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:41.400 track that first was uh ain't seen nothing yet? No, no, 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:46.120 uh that was right right, let it ride, of course, 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:51.200 of course. Okay, So when you had let it ride 0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.320 and you had taken care of business, did you know 0:33:54.600 --> 0:34:02.320 you had gold? I knew, I knew we had. It 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.000 was letter ride and then take care yea, yeah, I 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.720 knew it was gonna happen, okay, And I made it 0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.759 another what I call smart move. I had everybody wanting 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.520 to book them and do stuff. And I went to 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:18.640 an independent who had only zz top and he came 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.399 and he wanted to say, listen, I like it. I'd 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:23.000 like to get involved with you. And we got involved. 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:27.040 I did some dates and early early with at those times, 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.360 concerts West and stuff like that. I did some shows 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.440 at those people, and all of a sudden, I just 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.400 I was having trouble because there's no consistency. I was 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:37.600 moving back and forth between a bunch of promoters. And 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.239 I remember talking to Don Fox, who ended up with 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.759 and I was sitting in a we didn't have cell phones. 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:44.959 I was sitting in a phone booth talking to people, 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.080 and I got in this argument and he said, why 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.600 do you put up with that ship? With what the why? Why? What? 0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:52.200 Why are you putting up with that? It was something 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.399 you know some promoters somewhere, and I said, you know, Donn, 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.480 You're right, And remember taking the phone book always reminds 0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:58.880 me of taking the phone book, and I grabbed the thing. 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.200 We had all the area code ages and I went like, 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.719 here's your territory, now take care of it. Give him 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:09.120 the whole territory in the United States. Okay. So prior 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:13.080 to don Fox, you didn't you were the agent for 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.680 the band. No, I was signed with C I was 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.320 signed with. This is great too, because I was signed 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.680 with the guy I couldn't get. Agencies weren't really that 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.160 interested as when we started. I sat a guy named 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.400 Paul Smith, I forget the name of the agency, and 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.080 he used to work for Colonel Parker. And that's how 0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.920 I got to meet Elvis Presley. So I didn't know 0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.680 you met Elvis? Oh yeah, who was that? Well what 0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:38.120 happened there with Backman Turner Overdrive? Because but tell me, okay, 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.840 keep going. So Paul Smith was this agent for me 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:43.960 in a small agency and I can't remember the name, Bob, 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:47.640 I'm sorry, but um he told me these stories about 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:51.719 working for Colonel Parker. And so when Backmin Turnover Drive 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.480 came through Vegas, and I said, listen, we're going in Vegas. 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:56.120 And Elvis was at the same time, and I've seen 0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:59.000 him many times in Vegas. He says, I said, do 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.920 you get me backstage and meat Elvis? So yeah, I 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.520 said really, He says yeah. He says, when do you 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:07.920 want to go? And I said, okay. I liked some 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:09.279 of the guys might come on and come, and so 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:13.000 we three of the guys came. It was me, Me 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.360 and Robbie Backman, the drummer, Blair Thornte, you know, the 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.600 guitar player. I think that was that three of us 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:19.759 went to it. Randy had to fly home, he was 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:22.440 piste off and he had to fly home and h 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:24.680 so he sat there and went to the show. That 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:29.359 was probably nineteen seventy five. I think I'm pretty close 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:34.000 to n So I went back there, met Elvis and 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:38.080 everybody something. Sit there, you wait and somebody comes and 0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.040 get you like they do take you back. You sit 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.720 down in this room and all of a sudden Elvis, 0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.560 Elvis came out of his dressing room and they said 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.920 the guy brought him over and he said, this is 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:53.080 Bruce down, this is Blackman. Guys from Backman turn over 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:57.000 drive and he just this guy could have been and 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:58.719 I've I've talked to a lot of people who know him, 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.879 a lot of people have ever been around him. Could 0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.239 be one of the nicest guys you've ever wanted to meet. 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.520 And he said, nice to meet you, guys. How are 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.000 you doing? Blah blah blah. And the boy said, he 0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:09.759 pushed me for it, and you talked to him, talked 0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:13.759 to him. So I talked. I talked to him and 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:17.040 and we we had given me maybe we know we 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.400 were going, so we made up this uh this uh 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.320 a gift of the back into over drive wheel. It 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:28.280 was made of silver, and we gave him the wheel 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.279 made himself and give it to him. He gave us 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:36.880 what he gave us what TCB necklaces, okay, and he 0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:40.200 he called it taking care of the boss and uh 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:44.359 and uh, I remember my head. I talked to him. 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.320 My hand was shaken, he said, and he was so polite, 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.200 like taking the slow down, take it easy to relax 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:54.920 and uh. And then he said, uh, you know, thank 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.720 you very much and I hope you can see again. 0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:00.399 And that was it. It was pretty cool. They're real cool, 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:04.040 absolutely absolutely And I met him one more time after that, 0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:08.600 he in Memphis, he came to uh show there. I 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:12.560 think it was I think with I think was probably 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:15.040 still again back when term but I came back stage, 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.719 I said a load him that just that. Then he 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.720 just stayed for a little while, went upstairs and watched 0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.360 I guess somewhere out there. And that was it. But 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:25.399 you know what, do you always like, yes, sir, No, sir, 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:27.759 thank you, yes sir? You know what I mean. That's 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:29.839 the way he was. This guy was a good guy 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.080 and and that and that's why when you find when 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.040 you talk to people who've been in there in his company, 0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.279 this is a good guy. And that's why I think 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:39.520 that's why it's a tragedy. It's a tragedy rich an 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:43.839 American tragedy dying that young. Did you, having met him 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.040 late in his career, did you see that coming when 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:48.600 I saw me look real good the last time I 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:50.120 saw me look real good by the time I saw 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.719 him on stage, and it had been a couple of 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:55.520 years longer. You're in the seventy seven now you felt 0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.319 that's where Colonel Parker was an asshole? Why put him 0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:00.680 out like that? Why put him out there? Why I 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.279 put them out there. I wanted the money, that's right, 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:05.719 That's what that was about. Colonel. I know guys who 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:07.640 worked with Colonel Parker saw Blues a million and a 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.400 half dollars in forty five minutes on the on the 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.760 Roulett Wheel. Now that's the stupidest bet in the casino. 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:14.919 And that was his problem. And that's why I played 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.240 in Vegas for nothing, okay, in comparison to other stars. 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.799 When I ended up managing Anne Murray, I asked her, 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:23.880 I said, did you let do you work when the 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:25.560 Elvis was there? He says, Healy, I worked with Elvis 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.000 there all the time. And she said and I said, 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:30.480 She said, I was the one who got everything changed 0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:33.400 to one show instead of two. I said, how did 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.240 you do that? And she said, I had a kid's 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:38.839 two kids had one for the other two. And she said, 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.239 they want me to come back to Bally's. And I said, 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:44.000 I ain't coming. I can't do two shows. I can't 0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.719 sit there doing a show at eight seven o'clock, eight 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:48.920 o'clock at night and another one at midnight. Okay, I 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.440 got these kids. So they gave her a break and 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.520 said do one, just do one, and then everybody followed, 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:56.600 I would I would have thought Elvis would have done that. 0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:58.919 The colonel didn't give a dad. He was doing two shows, 0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:02.719 seven nights a week, lots of time. Just just that's 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:04.440 a great story for Anne Murray. She broke the whole 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:07.520 two too, so Vegas and not Dr Barber's Dreis and 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:12.560 not Franks, not Elvis, Presley and Murray. So you know 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:16.960 you've had these, you know, worldwide successful acts. Is there 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.879 anybody at this point you haven't met that you want 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:22.920 to meet? I'll tell you. And this is gonna So 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.879 I turned on this thing to watch a talk last 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:32.080 two weeks ago, a stream of Elvis Costello talking to 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:35.719 Peter grell Nick okay, and I sat there and I 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:37.160 wanted to hear what he had to say because Peter 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.839 Groan thought, that's an Elvis guy. He's written great books 0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:44.239 on Sam Cook, He's written books on on on what's 0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.920 his Sam Phillips, He's written books on the on the 0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:49.719 black music business. I mean, he's a fabulous writer. And 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:52.680 nearly from a sociological point of view too, you learned 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.160 about what was going on in the world at that 0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:57.520 time and where those guys worked. And I'm sitting there 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:01.960 with Elvis watching him, and I think Elvis might have 0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:06.640 talked more than more than Groulning. I mean, yeah, okay, Elvis, 0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:10.520 you're you know, launch too, But I mean I want 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.359 to hear what Peter Grounnick says. And that's the one 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:13.920 person I'd like to meet. And I will go down 0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:16.359 to one of the Elvis events to go down there 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:17.759 just to meet him because I love to sit down 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:19.960 in a room and talk with him. Because okay, he 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:25.279 never met Elvis, which is pretty weird. That is weird. Okay, 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.440 let's go back to uh bt O you make the 0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:32.239 deal with Don Fox. Is the agent still involved or 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.120 now is they're no longer an agent? The agent? The 0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:38.680 agent was still involved there, Okay. Now, just like with Elvis, 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.160 Presley and Jerry Shilling and talking about the fifties, they 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:45.760 were inventing it. In reality, the business music road business 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.440 was being invented in the late sixties with rock and 0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:52.560 rollers and seventies. What were the lessons you learned back then? 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:54.560 Because you were totally green, you were learning while you 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:56.440 were going a learning while I was going yea, and 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:58.640 Randy had some experience he did and he was a 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.480 good he was a good guy. For me, it was 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:04.400 the thing is, it's just the biggest thing was to 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:08.919 him was he had a rule. Okay, we're all gotta 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:12.040 get together. We're a band. We make a time at night, 0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:13.640 we say, okay, we're going to bed. We're leaving this 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:17.000 hotel at at ten o'clock in the morning to drive 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.160 twitter miles to the next place, right or two whatever 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.440 it was, we leave at ten. If he wasn't there 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:26.239 a ten, you left, and I remember, you know, we 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:29.440 only stayed in those two story holiday inns, right right, 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:33.040 So I remember, I remember Randy's he's coming, Robbie's coming, 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:37.520 he's coming. It's ten o'clock. Let's go and left him. Guys, 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:39.560 So we are you know, that's one thing. You guys 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:41.239 had to be on time, guys, and we and you know, 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:44.680 we looked after ourselves as best we could. Um, we're young, 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.720 we could take a lot more the way. But remember 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:51.640 Randy Backman's a Mormon, okay, And you got kicked out 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.040 of the guests who because his warman beliefs clashed with 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:57.480 their lifestyle. So it was a bit of a it 0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:59.360 was it. I wasn't out there with a C. D 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:02.239 C or van Halen or pretty pretty having a ton 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:05.520 of fun. Okay, because Randy was the big brother, Randy 0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:08.360 was paying the freight mostly, and uh so it was 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.440 it was. I mean, there were great stories, but I 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:12.400 had to keep with those stories away from Randy. So 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:16.840 I roomed with Randy continually on the road because I 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:18.560 was there to make sure he didn't start walking around 0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:22.640 and wonder what the band was doing. Okay, you know, 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:25.879 I know you that car accident about fifteen years ago 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.920 in Tennessee. The question becomes, if you're driving a station 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:33.080 wagon back and forth six times, you must have some 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.360 close calls or falling asleep at the wheel or something. No, 0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:39.319 but no, because you know you're driving short. The one 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:41.759 thing about driving tour, driving like we did, you never 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:44.120 drove far. Okay, you can only go as far as 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:46.600 the equipment could get. We're Randy wanted to play five 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.880 nights a week, so we're not we're not driving stupid distances. Um. 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:52.880 The only time I fell asleep, but the wheel was 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:54.960 going to it. Jerry Lee Lewis auction that I thought 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:57.560 I could get his piano, one of his pianos that 0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:59.920 I was driving. I got off the plane in Nashville, 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:03.640 had to drive to uh Um and to to Memphis. 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.480 I was going to drive to Memphis, and I fell 0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.000 asleep at the wheel driving and I went down off 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:12.400 the highway into between highway with dropped down to the 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:14.799 grass and what we have as a grass going under 0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:19.400 the car like that, right, And a guy O trucker 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:24.799 went by and pass me and blew the horn. WHOA, 0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:26.960 I woke up, Bob, I'm telling me something. If I 0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.279 just stepped on the brakes out of flip the car, okay, 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.399 I had to flip the car and I just kept 0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:33.200 it going. But I never fell asleep on the on 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.719 the road driving okay, But there were things that kept 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:37.400 you go up to if you wanted to keep up, 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:42.560 stay away. And I drove every nobody else drove, I drove. Okay. 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:47.040 So you're working with Don Fox. You have this incredible success. 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:50.439 Of course, it's a different era. As David Krebs always says, 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.359 tickets were three, four or five dollars then that we're 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:58.360 not a hundred dollars a piece. So, uh, how is business? 0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:00.440 Did you go clean in most market? Did you make 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.200 a lot of money? Did he get screwed? What happened Randy? 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:05.279 Don Fox? Says to me that he never had a 0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:08.120 fastest sellout in his career until he was doing a 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:10.040 young actor in the Latin the last few years. Back 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.200 to turn Over Drive suttle tickets faster than any act 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:15.000 he ever ever did, and they were we argued over 0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:19.320 eight dollar tickets, and we really argued over ten dollar tickets. Okay, 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:21.680 but be your right, five six bucks, seven bucks, that's 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:25.160 what it was. Okay. Then they have all this big 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:28.839 success there on Mercury, which you were the biggest act, 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.160 but it was a mid tier label. They put out 0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:34.880 Four Wheel Drive and it sells out of the Boxer's 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:38.640 not really what happens. How does bto fall apart? It 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:43.640 becomes it falls apart because Randy, I believe, wanted to 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:45.560 produce the record. I wanted to write most of the 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.840 songs and own the publishing. And the boys it was 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.000 it was they wanted to get a share of the publishing. 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.719 They thought they should get a share of it, and 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:57.240 he didn't give it up. And that's the trouble with bands, Okay, 0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.080 that's why bands breakup. Part it's always over money. And 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.360 because that was my first band, I didn't have the 0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:06.920 skill to stop it. I didn't. I didn't have the 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.040 wherewith all to stoff, but I couldn't figure out how 0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:11.879 to stop it. Okay, and Randy, because Randy was Randy 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:13.440 was confident he could do it on his own. Again, 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:15.759 then he was going to leave, and this and that 0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:17.880 and the boys just weren't going to give up. So 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:20.040 it all kind of blew up, Bob, and that was it? 0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:23.680 And where did that leave you? Why? I went back 0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:26.560 to the agency. Okay, So I go walking in the 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.239 agency trying to take over the agency, and started to 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.399 go back again that I've been away a long time. 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:34.319 The agency wasn't running the same way as I want 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:36.759 to understood. The boss again said that, okay, here we go. 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:40.000 So that's where Sam and I clashed, and uh you know, 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:42.800 he put in a lot of time, and I was difficult, 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:46.160 I think coming back from that. And uh so with 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.040 the agency split, we never split. We haven't split to 0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:52.480 this day, Okay, but we're in different locales and actually 0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:55.120 we're probably closer friends now than we ever were when 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.000 we were together. And so all of a sudden, I 0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:00.200 was just not watching. I watched the office walkout. People 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:02.120 were going to good agency. If they go you haven't 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.479 got anything going this. I was left with one girl 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:09.520 and uh, get a call for from somebody in Calgary 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.120 said he's got the span called lover boy. Would you 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:16.239 be interested in taking a look at it? And that's 0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:19.920 how that that run started. And we like, before you 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.160 go to the lover boy, were you depressed that you 0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:26.200 were now going to be Vancouver be booking bands again. Well, 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:28.000 I wasn't gonna be booking bands with against the agency 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.919 went with them, you see. I was still gonna get paid, 0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:33.960 but I would we worked together, Okay, So I had 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.279 nothing to do much. I had to do something. So 0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.880 that's what I just came. I went got try. I 0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:42.440 probably tried some bands in there that didn't work. Who 0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:44.960 a lover boy called that kind of worked. I went 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:46.920 down to see them and they were good. Tell a 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.880 story of lover boy. His owned But they were managed 0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:52.239 by a guy who ran a nightclub in a big 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:56.600 nightclub in Calgary, lou Blair. And he's a Vancouver guy 0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:59.960 and he's doing clubs when I was in Vancouver booking them, 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.799 and uh, he said, listen, I got this great band. 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.680 You've got nothing to do. Would you take a look 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:08.719 at And I said, okay, So I went up to 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:10.320 see them in Calgary and they were really good, but 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:12.719 they hadn't made a record yet, and he said, I'm 0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:14.400 going to get try and make a record. I signed 0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:19.480 it with Columbia for CBS Canada. He says, okay. So 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.239 I was done in Los Angeles one day and he 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:24.600 he was it was interesting. He knew where he was, 0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.560 so he came to the same hotel and he said, listen, 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:28.799 where are you going? He said, I'm going to see 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:31.480 a friend of mine in Palm Springs and he said, 0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:33.920 you know, want you listen to this? And he gave 0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:36.840 me that first lover Boy album rough right or not 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:42.480 final mix? But turn me loose? Holy cow, you know, 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:45.120 I mean these are great. They made great he made 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:49.960 great records. That's Bruce Fairburn uh and Bob Rock And 0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:54.880 I um, I well got downe this to paulm Springs 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:58.000 and I called him and he said what do you think? 0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.719 And I think? I said this is real good? Is unbelievable, 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:02.879 how good this is? And he said, well good. I'm 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:04.360 six blocks up the street, so I'll come over and 0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:05.600 see it. He followed me down. I don't know what 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:07.279 kind of a rendit carry was said by MS follow 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:10.840 me down there and uh it uh. We put a 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:13.040 deal together and off we went with the lover Boy. 0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:14.840 And our big deal, of course was to move it 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:20.320 out of out of Canada to Colombia down the States, 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.520 and we did that. Although most bands that moved out 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:25.839 of Canada and go down the States, the States looks 0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:28.120 very as scans at you because they know you're getting 0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.279 thirty PC airplay up there and really, what do you 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:35.880 really mean? And uh, okay, usually though one of the 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:37.959 you know, there's the issue of attention, but there's also 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:40.880 once again the issue of money and that you know, 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.279 getting signed to the US label is supposed to sign 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:47.960 to the Canadian deal. The deals are different. Yes, So 0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:51.680 how did you get lover Boy to the American label? Well, 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:54.239 first of all, we had had they had the rights 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:57.560 the deal Lou deal Lou made with Colombia, they had 0:49:57.600 --> 0:49:59.600 the rights. Okay, we didn't good to shop it down there. 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:02.719 Had I would go in Columbia or wherever label they 0:50:02.760 --> 0:50:05.719 were gonna put it on, and so we were just there. 0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:09.520 So okay, now we got to make make it happen. 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.320 And you know what the biggest thing was was that 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:17.200 um I knew how to do with back and turn 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:19.080 over drive. I knew how to get out and give 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:20.920 me a shot on the radio. Give me a shot 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:24.600 and I'll make it happen because I knew I could 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:26.239 go on the road and do it. I just knew it, 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:30.920 and then they could. Then we hit MTV. Turned Me 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:33.120 Loose is one of the first songs ever. Believe me, 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:35.200 I know, I remember seeing it on the big screen 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:40.359 in jim rist Village country clubs, that iconic song. Yep. 0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:43.520 So that's what happened, is that's how we got it going. 0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:46.960 MTV came out. We were getting They worked the record 0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:49.080 really hard. They believed in the act. I gave him 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.040 dates and that's what I was doing that We were there. 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:52.799 We were going to the radio stations. We were doing 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.160 all the things that was before all these chain book 0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:58.080 radio stations they have now every place was individual and 0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:00.520 we did it like it was a real lot of work. 0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:03.080 And and we and the same thing. These guys worked 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.840 their assa. We think we were two hundred and fifty 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:10.640 fifty shows a year, you know, pretty regularly, and boy boy, 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:12.600 it would be made it and don Fox I phone. 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:16.279 I've been using the same damn formula for so long, 0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:19.799 It's ridiculous. Don Solomon said wow, and he phoned up 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:23.440 Bill Ham and he said, Bill, I got an opening 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.680 act for you. He said, who love her Boy? He said, 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:29.279 who love her boy? Because Bill just into his body 0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:34.279 he does down there and the tour, Bill got mixed up, 0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.320 but got messed up with the album was not happening, 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:41.160 and Fox convict convinced him said, listen, this band is 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:42.719 ready to go. They want to go on the tour. 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:45.520 I've sold the tickets. I don't want to rewrote this thing. 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:48.800 Let's go out anyway. You don't need the record and 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:51.759 and Bills. I'm not going out without the record. Don No, no, 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:54.399 you gotta go without the record. This band and Build 0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:57.280 and ZZ Top will do some out business. And he foushed. 0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:00.400 Bill Ham rolled over and said okay, okay, okay, okay, 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:02.719 and he went. He went. They went out without a tour. 0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:06.160 It was me opening and it was great and because 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:08.239 they could do it. They were pretty hot then that 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.479 that that was before the bull and everything on stage, 0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:13.520 but they were still really hot. And uh, we broke 0:52:13.600 --> 0:52:17.880 lover Boy because getting dragged around by zz talk. Okay, 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:23.120 So so how does it segue to Brian Adams real quick, 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.279 because Brian Adams came pretty fast after lover Boy, and 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:28.440 he was just in. He was in the bar bands. 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:30.600 And since we both thought since we had still had 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:32.799 some of the ownership or the booking rights for them 0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:34.840 all those clubs, it was you know, I could go 0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.120 see all these bands. And I went to see Adams 0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:39.160 and he was all right. And he had a little 0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:41.200 bit of hit called let Me Take You Dancing. It 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:43.680 was a it was more of a disco record and 0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:47.560 what he does now. And he came to my office 0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:53.080 and wanted to talk to me, and uh, I didn't. 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:55.560 I didn't talk to him. I just I remember he 0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:58.359 just sat out there and went home. And that happened 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:01.840 a couple of times, and then finally my assistant just 0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:04.400 go talk to the guy. Good guys, okay, come on, 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:07.360 and Brian sit down. So he had this conversation and 0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:09.520 he had started he had he had let Me Take 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:11.120 You Dance, and he had a thing at A and M. 0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:12.919 He had signed at A and M as a writer 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:16.200 and they were going to let him maybe do a record, 0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:22.879 and uh, he said, like you to manage me, he said, 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.399 And I said, yeah, really, what do you do? He said, 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:28.560 well I got this record and uh and the record 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:31.000 was good, that first album with Brian Adam for it. Okay, 0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:34.200 so he cut the first album without you boy, I 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:38.440 wasn't there. So was there a manager then? No, well 0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:41.719 maybe that was I don't think so. And uh so 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:45.080 he said, um, I can manage me. And I said, well, 0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:47.319 you know, it's a good record, Brian, real good. He says, 0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:51.400 I said, here's my deal, blah blah blah. And he'll 0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:53.279 argue that I wanted part of the publishing. But I 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:55.720 never wanted part of the publishing. But something that became 0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:59.480 a breaking point in the in the discussion, and it 0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:01.680 pissed me off. And I remember kicking the garbage can 0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:03.680 at him beside my desk and he caught it and 0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:08.399 kept talking. I thought that was really impressive, so I said, 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:10.439 he said, And I'm gonna tell you something, Bruce. He says, 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:12.320 I work. I know how you work. He says, I 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:14.479 can work just as hard as anybody. And he says, 0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:17.800 I'm I will break this record. I can do it. 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:19.880 And he says I will be the biggest act you 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:24.799 ever had. That was before I booked my first show 0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:29.400 with And you know, he's lived up to that. Okay, 0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:32.360 so you make a deal with him. The first album 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.920 is out, so you get involved Lonely Nights, that's your 0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:39.720 first album. Yeah, yeah, I came out. I worked that album, 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:43.359 of course, the first one, first one. Yeah, So how 0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:46.160 does Lonely Okay? At this point in time, is he 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.680 still signed to A and M Canada or signed directly 0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:52.000 in Hollywood? We never signed. We never signed with an 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:55.719 M Canada until probably the third record. Okay, so you 0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:58.640 worked the first album. Tell me about the second Adams album. 0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:01.400 I thought you you got it. It was one of 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:05.279 the best albums he's ever done. Absolutely, I think it's fantastic. 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:10.320 But we were still Canadian signed. Um, but we we 0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:13.960 we worked our way into uh, into Jerry and Herbs. 0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:16.920 You know they knew we were around er Jerry and 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:21.840 the record I thought didn't do very well. Excuse me 0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:24.840 for how well how good it was? Okay, Brian was 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:30.160 piste off, I was piste off. And then we did 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:35.759 cuts like a knife. And when we did cuts like 0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:39.640 a knife, Jerry Moss said to me. I went to 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:41.560 Jake Moss I said, Okay, this is a great record, 0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.400 and if I don't break, if we can't break, this 0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:51.000 record I want to release from you. And he said 0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:57.359 to me, he said, okay, I'll make that deal. He thought. 0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:59.399 He said, it's gotta be this's gotta be a platinum record. 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:02.200 And he did it, and they did it, and we 0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:05.200 did it, and everybody worked together. I'm very pro record 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:07.879 company even to this day, Bob, I'm not anti record company. 0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:10.920 I remember being an anti record company guy. I believe 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:13.200 there is a team there. If you can get them 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:16.160 to work with you, they are just an asset. Okay. 0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:18.239 And I and I and and A and M worked 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:19.960 their house off for Briant. We did a good job 0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:22.600 and we had great arguments. I remember we're doing Tina 0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:25.640 Turner show turned Tina Turner song It's Only Love. Uh, 0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:28.080 It's only Love and that song It's Only Love member 0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:31.240 the Tina Turner doing. So we were just big in America. 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.319 We were running around American men and they were doing 0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:36.360 pretty good. And you know, we did some journey tours 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:39.759 and stuff like that. And uh, and went in there 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:44.440 and I said, Tina Turner came up to the Commodore 0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:47.239 played a Commodore ballroom here about eight hundred seats. We 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:49.799 Bryan went down to Meeter. We went down to meet her. 0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:53.759 I've met her before, but we, uh, should you come 0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:55.239 over to the studio maybe and sing this song? We 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:56.799 left the song for She came over the next day 0:56:56.800 --> 0:57:00.479 and sang that song, and so anyway was on the album. 0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:01.920 Everybody loved it. When I was on the album, then 0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:05.399 I said, Jerry, because Brian Brian was born, he wasn't 0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.560 born in Vancouver. He came to Vancouver, he lived and 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:09.680 he lived in Israel, he lived in he lived in 0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:13.200 this in in in England, he lived in in uh, 0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:15.880 Spain and Portugal. He lived all over the world. So 0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:19.440 he wasn't just satisfied just doing North America. Okay. He 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.080 knew there was another market out there, and I remember 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:25.320 I had to go into I. I talked one of 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:28.880 my agents, Carl Layton Pope was another small agent who 0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:31.640 had done a Lover Boy and down doing Adams for me. 0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:36.160 He thought he could get me on Tina Turner tour, 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:41.040 and uh so I Jerry Moss and I said, listen, 0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:43.320 we're not gonna record. Was doing pretty well. He wanted 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:44.440 us to be in the States, but we've been in 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:46.840 the States. I don't need to do another runner, I said, 0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:49.480 we want to go to Europe and what are you 0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:52.479 gonna do in Europe? We're gonna got a Tina Turner 0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.880 to a Tina Turner. Bruce, He's a lounge ack, which 0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:59.160 was correct in Vegas, she was a loungeack. But this 0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:02.280 was her. This is the big record when Roger David 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:04.200 got older, and this is probably the first record he 0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:07.680 made with her and she we went over there and 0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:14.360 and Tina Turner. We broke Europe and the UK on 0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:17.920 Tina Turner's back, okay, because every night we went out 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:20.160 there did our show. It was okay, they do a 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:23.320 couple of three songs. Then she came out. Then we 0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:25.160 went out there and sang that song with her, and 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.480 that was she was just Tina Turner in the UK. 0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:29.880 That was the rubber stamp and Brian and his forehead 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:36.000 You're great and away it went from that. It been fabulous. Okay, 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:38.720 So you have that great success straight from the heart, etcetera. 0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:45.000 Then comes the big album Everything I Do, I Do 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:47.160 it for you album No No, I mean when you 0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:50.360 do run away All of a sudden, Brian Adams is 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:56.400 everywhere under you run to run to you, Well run 0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:59.560 do you? Was on the uh that was on that 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:01.560 was Was that the name of the album? Pub I 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.320 still it was four? It was the fourth album. Yeah, 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:07.920 I'm looking around here because they're all up here somewhere. Um, okay, 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:09.600 the fourth album with a run to You on it. 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:11.520 That was the thing where you made the divondboard dove 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:16.800 into the empty swimming exactly exactly. And h yeah that 0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:19.960 that that really exploded that album. That was a great album. 0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:22.920 And uh we Tina Turner was on that album, as 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:25.240 I remember, is that correct? R right? It's only love. 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:27.840 I pretty sure it's on that album. But the but 0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:32.160 he was literally could have been the biggest star on 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:35.960 MTV at that point. Yeah, he was everywhere and he worked. 0:59:36.040 --> 0:59:38.400 Like I said, we worked, We worked everywhere. But we 0:59:38.520 --> 0:59:41.560 played big cities, played the small cities. I always did that. 0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:43.840 I always tried to cover off the smaller markets too. 0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:46.960 And and and Maz there at her side, and and 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:48.520 did a hell of a job for us. And they 0:59:48.600 --> 0:59:51.360 got no complaints over in America. Well, you know, we 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.160 we've had some publishing arguments, but I don't think anything 0:59:54.200 --> 1:00:03.320 with the record company in general. Okay, So after Reckless, 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:07.120 that's the album with Run to You. Uh, then he's 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:10.120 sort of there's a backlash that he's not political enough. 1:00:10.160 --> 1:00:12.680 He does the album Into the Fire, which is not 1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:16.160 as successful as what came before. That was my fault 1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:19.920 because I took that amnesty to her, and so he 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:24.000 was out there with all the you know, the intellectuals 1:00:24.680 --> 1:00:28.160 of rock were out there with the police. We're out 1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:31.600 there with you too, of course, and we're doing these 1:00:31.600 --> 1:00:36.160 shows and I think Adam Brian, right, I wanted to say, 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:38.040 you know, I want to make a change, I want 1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:40.680 to do something differently, got something I want to say. 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:43.160 What am I going to say? No, he's an artist. 1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:45.760 That's what that's what you do, and you get you 1:00:45.880 --> 1:00:48.760 earned the rate to do it. But it was a 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:51.320 it did. It was not the record that we thought 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:53.720 it wouldn't be. Although it's interesting now when he's on tour. 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:56.720 He played some of those songs and we're doing a 1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:58.840 on each other at the Royal overt Hall. I know 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:00.880 we're doing a night there, but that's that's what's gonna be. 1:01:00.960 --> 1:01:03.200 The whole night is that album. There are people do 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:05.280 like that album, but it wasn't the album it was. 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:07.480 It was a change from what we were doing. But 1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:09.600 he felt he had to make it well. The first 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:11.439 three tracks on the album he did, The Night Into 1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:13.560 the Fire and Victim of Love. I play those all 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:16.160 the time. I don't fight as I agree with you. 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:18.760 The second album is the best. You want it, you 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:22.440 got it, okay, but that album is not as successful 1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:26.960 as you wanted to be. Tell us the transition to 1:01:27.120 --> 1:01:32.880 Everything I Do and working with Mutt Lang. Um. Mutt 1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:39.520 Lang I had worked with month before booking his band, 1:01:39.640 --> 1:01:41.960 and he had at the time called City Boy, but 1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:44.240 he's more a friend of Clive Calder's and Mutt Lang's 1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:48.720 and and I booked him, uh, you know, across Canada 1:01:49.200 --> 1:01:53.840 and they did what they did. But Uh, Adams, I 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:59.240 believe Bryan Adams and I had a conversation, came up 1:01:59.320 --> 1:02:03.720 with the with Mutt Lang idea, and we gave Mu 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:08.240 a call. And that's a songwriter, and I think he 1:02:08.400 --> 1:02:11.720 loved adams songwriting and he loved his voice. He's always 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:14.840 told me they just loved it. And Clive Calder and 1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:16.960 I you know, he liked me. We got everybody got 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:20.040 along weird, you knew each other like you know, pretty 1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:22.320 good friends. So that deal started with mud Lang album 1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:25.600 on on that album and uh, and Everything I Do 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:28.400 was not on that album. It was there in the 1:02:28.480 --> 1:02:32.600 mixing stage of that album and with two songs to go, 1:02:32.880 --> 1:02:37.600 Michael Caman sent me a track, the instrumental track of 1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:41.120 Everything I Do for this movie and I said, Michael, 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:42.439 you know, what do you want to do? He says, 1:02:42.840 --> 1:02:44.480 I think Brian can re sing this song? Can you 1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:46.320 get it? And I says, okay, but I'm mixing this album. 1:02:46.320 --> 1:02:47.600 I don't know if I might get it to him. 1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:49.560 So I sent it over to Brian right away and 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:51.440 I think can listen to the song Him and mut 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:54.000 sitting there. They wrote this song in about thirty minutes 1:02:54.920 --> 1:02:56.520 and the way it went and it's still the long 1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:59.000 number one, longest number one record in England to this day. 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:04.439 Oh okay, let's go back to that era because it's 1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:09.000 very significant in terms of the marketplace and that Brian 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:12.360 was known as a rocker and let's just say that 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:14.160 Everything I Do is a little bit of small cy 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:19.040 and sappy. People criticized him for making that record, but 1:03:19.200 --> 1:03:23.040 simultaneous within making the record, a O R radio where 1:03:23.080 --> 1:03:26.400 he was living completely died. Correct and that and we 1:03:26.720 --> 1:03:30.400 we survived, We survived as a result of that song. 1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:31.920 And I we had a we had a lot more 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:33.920 of those ballots to it. It saved us, okay, And 1:03:34.000 --> 1:03:36.880 we still kept up our arena business because of it, okay. 1:03:37.080 --> 1:03:39.680 And people people think that was you know that that 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:42.200 was because Adams rocky. He sold out. He didn't sell out. 1:03:42.240 --> 1:03:44.200 He wrote the goddamn song. I mean, it's not like 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:46.680 I'm out there hustling songs to try and make it rock. 1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:49.040 He was. He was writing those songs, he was writing 1:03:49.080 --> 1:03:51.280 the ballants, he was writing all that stuff. Bryan Adams 1:03:51.320 --> 1:03:54.320 wrote every song here he ever ever recorded on around albums. 1:03:54.680 --> 1:03:56.200 I mean, you were involved in the writing with this 1:03:56.640 --> 1:04:00.160 partner Jim Balance or Mutt Lang or whatever. And mud 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:02.280 Mudd Lange could sell a battle too. He did. He did, 1:04:02.360 --> 1:04:06.640 heaven he did, you know we he was straddling two places. 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:09.400 While trying to straddle two places. I remember Brian Adams 1:04:09.400 --> 1:04:11.240 had number one and number two on the charts back 1:04:11.280 --> 1:04:14.960 to back. He had the triple song with All for Love, 1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:17.640 and he had he had uh I think the next 1:04:17.680 --> 1:04:21.360 song probably who was all for Love and uh god, 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:23.680 I have to think of the name. But they're back 1:04:23.720 --> 1:04:25.720 to back singles one and number one and number two. 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:29.600 It's phenomenal. People liked him, you know, and he could 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:31.520 still rock. He go out the Rocky shows, a rock 1:04:31.600 --> 1:04:34.560 show with some ballots, but you have to apologize for them. 1:04:35.120 --> 1:04:39.520 It's how the Ronthos battles. People love them. Okay. Uh. 1:04:40.040 --> 1:04:43.400 But if the simultaneous you have another business managing producers, 1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:46.320 you have Bob Rock and Bruce Fairburn, how does that 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:48.880 come together? Well, Fairburn played for one of my big 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:51.800 bar bands. Fairburn and I grew up together the same neighborhood. 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:55.560 He's a couple of years younger and I. He was 1:04:55.600 --> 1:04:58.320 in a bar band called, um, what was it called. 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:01.959 It's called that did Man because just a bar band. 1:05:02.080 --> 1:05:05.480 And I looked at him and doing these things. And 1:05:05.560 --> 1:05:10.360 he he was a graduate student in town planning, and 1:05:10.480 --> 1:05:12.880 he was he was a smart guy from university. And 1:05:12.960 --> 1:05:15.720 he didn't want to be in the bars plane plane trumpet, 1:05:15.760 --> 1:05:18.040 which he played a tough instrument in the bars. So 1:05:18.800 --> 1:05:23.040 so he wanted to become a producer and actually the 1:05:23.120 --> 1:05:26.040 person records he did first of course, we're the lover 1:05:26.120 --> 1:05:29.560 of some of the lover Boy records and uh, and 1:05:29.640 --> 1:05:32.240 then Bob Rock came in and Bob Rock used to 1:05:32.560 --> 1:05:35.160 deliver the tea bags around it at at the record 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:37.040 at the in the studio. He used to run around 1:05:37.040 --> 1:05:39.440 and you know, look after things there. And he got 1:05:39.480 --> 1:05:43.080 into a band called the Payolas. I managed. I managed 1:05:43.080 --> 1:05:46.920 the Payolas, and the Payolas couldn't get out of Canada. 1:05:47.280 --> 1:05:49.720 They made a mistake. Is we made a mistake. We 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:52.320 went down there and Charlie Miner was working the records 1:05:52.360 --> 1:05:54.240 for Am down there, and we gave him a record, 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:56.640 We gave him the song they could. He could never 1:05:56.680 --> 1:06:00.800 work a band called the Payolas. Okay, Drove he couldn't 1:06:00.800 --> 1:06:01.840 do it. He said, I can't do it. I'm not 1:06:01.880 --> 1:06:03.880 gonna do it, blah blah blahs. And Bob want to 1:06:03.920 --> 1:06:05.640 hang on to it. But anyway, that band could only 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:08.959 goes so far. Okay, they were not a bad band, 1:06:09.160 --> 1:06:11.360 but they didn't have what I knew would break through. 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:14.160 But I knew Bob Rock, and when he was coming 1:06:14.200 --> 1:06:17.640 out of his engineering thing that I said, I believe 1:06:17.640 --> 1:06:19.800 Bob Rock could be a producer, and I kind of 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:22.160 made him quit the band and he went into what 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:24.120 he did now. But he was brought up as an 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:28.160 engineer with Bruce Fairburn and okay, but you know the 1:06:28.600 --> 1:06:31.080 Fairburn worked with Adam Then all of a Sudden he 1:06:31.160 --> 1:06:33.960 had mega success. He did Slippery when Wet, he did 1:06:34.160 --> 1:06:37.120 Errol Smith. How did that all come together? Well? That 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:40.840 was that was John Kalander. John Kloner was a big 1:06:40.920 --> 1:06:43.920 fan of what of what Bruce had done with with 1:06:44.160 --> 1:06:45.840 with with some of the records that we've made with 1:06:45.920 --> 1:06:49.440 Loverboy records, especially, I mean John bon Job used to 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:51.640 come to every Loverboy show when we were out in 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:53.200 the East co He loved He thought lover Boy is 1:06:53.240 --> 1:06:57.160 fantastic and John Kladner liked it. And Fairburn made that record, 1:06:57.400 --> 1:06:59.920 the first lover Boy record, the second lover Boy record too. 1:07:00.080 --> 1:07:05.320 But he he uh he he got hired by Klauder 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:09.400 to do Sweat all the bon Jovi records and and 1:07:09.680 --> 1:07:13.800 they were done all the bank, all those Vancouver had 1:07:13.840 --> 1:07:15.880 a great scene that I mean more I talked about it, 1:07:16.320 --> 1:07:18.840 all those acts that came out of there, the producers 1:07:18.880 --> 1:07:20.800 that came out of there, the studios that were there 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:22.280 and still there today. The warehouse is one of the 1:07:22.360 --> 1:07:27.600 greatest studios in the world. Okay, it's still here. But Fairburn, Fairburn, 1:07:28.320 --> 1:07:30.720 Fairburn was amazing. He could sit there because I used 1:07:30.720 --> 1:07:32.520 to have figure out the budgets. He said, I'm gonna 1:07:32.520 --> 1:07:34.760 start this record July fifteenth, and gonna mix it on 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:38.640 September four, and we'll be finished by and uh first 1:07:38.680 --> 1:07:41.240 of the end of September. And he nailed those all 1:07:41.280 --> 1:07:43.520 the day because he's a planner, and he he and 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:45.200 he tried. He was with family too, and he said, 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:47.280 I only worked from you know, at ten o'clock till 1:07:47.280 --> 1:07:49.440 six o'clock and I to go home for dinner. And 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:53.000 then I coached soccer and he and he and Roxell 1:07:53.080 --> 1:07:54.880 Rockbery had to do a lot of it too, right, 1:07:54.920 --> 1:07:58.160 So he learned it with Fairbor learned business of production 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:03.440 and uh, okay, he's very successful also. So Fairburn tragically 1:08:03.520 --> 1:08:08.320 dies really very sad. How does Bob get the gig 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:13.479 with Metallica? They the band called him, and the band 1:08:13.560 --> 1:08:15.760 called him because of some record they'd heard. Who was 1:08:15.800 --> 1:08:18.960 that ahead of Bob? Would Bobbly that ahead of I 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:20.800 should have sat here? That got Bob. I don't sit 1:08:20.840 --> 1:08:22.960 here and go over my past. I should have had no, no, no, 1:08:23.200 --> 1:08:25.760 you're doing what I should have been sitting here with 1:08:25.840 --> 1:08:28.240 my fucking things. I could say, okay, well, but that 1:08:28.320 --> 1:08:29.880 they heard a record that they were really liked, and 1:08:29.960 --> 1:08:31.640 I think it was I think it was the one 1:08:31.720 --> 1:08:35.760 with John Sykes um like White White White Snake. Yeah, 1:08:35.800 --> 1:08:39.679 but was that ahead of him and Metallica? Yeah, Okay, 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:41.720 that was a record that they really liked. And how 1:08:41.800 --> 1:08:44.920 he got a call for for to do Metallica and 1:08:46.200 --> 1:08:48.479 he made that that great record. The first record that 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:50.559 he made was great. And then of course he went 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:54.439 through that little psychological thing for the other You know, Bob, Bob, Bob, 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:57.080 Bob has done great records. He's a great producer to 1:08:57.160 --> 1:09:00.400 this day. Okay, you're talking about fairburning budgets when you're 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:02.800 managing Bob at this point in fairburned back in the 1:09:02.840 --> 1:09:07.040 old day. You can't spell budget, fair rock, you can't stop. 1:09:07.560 --> 1:09:10.880 Those are big battles. Fairburn can spell. Fairburn could get records. 1:09:10.920 --> 1:09:12.479 He knocked him right out. He said, it's gonna cost 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:15.519 this much, It's gonna cost that much. And so but 1:09:15.680 --> 1:09:18.200 as Bob's manager, how deeply you and do you get 1:09:18.200 --> 1:09:23.640 involved beyond just getting him the gig? Um we do 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:30.639 we do properly everything for Bob. Um we don't. And again, 1:09:30.800 --> 1:09:32.320 you know, we take get out his money, we collect 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:34.519 his money, we give him his money. I get my 1:09:34.640 --> 1:09:38.360 commissioned the same thing. It always has and uh, we 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:40.240 do get him to get him the gigs, and but 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:42.800 he's now I don't have to get him the gigs. 1:09:43.000 --> 1:09:45.400 I have to answer the phone, big Bob Rock. Bob 1:09:45.560 --> 1:09:49.439 Rock gets called a lot, okay, And it's tough business 1:09:49.479 --> 1:09:51.439 for him now because the budgets that we had in 1:09:51.520 --> 1:09:55.240 Metallica era and and after that and Slippy and um 1:09:55.320 --> 1:09:58.240 sorry not Slippy went and the Motley Crewe records. You know, 1:09:58.560 --> 1:10:01.640 those budgets gone. Now, Bob, it's tough to get a 1:10:01.720 --> 1:10:03.439 big budget. You've got to be able to get the 1:10:03.560 --> 1:10:07.400 records done quicker because they just don't throw that kind 1:10:07.439 --> 1:10:09.839 of money actually anymore. I mean, it's gonna be interesting 1:10:09.840 --> 1:10:11.840 when they do the Booblet records because we have their 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:14.719 expensive records. There's lots of musicians in their live music, 1:10:15.280 --> 1:10:18.160 and it's it's gonna be interesting coming up for this 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:21.320 next Booblet record. So tell us the story of Boo Blay. 1:10:22.240 --> 1:10:25.479 Bo Blay was played. I I owned some clubs for 1:10:25.520 --> 1:10:28.000 a while and last for a while, I had bought 1:10:28.040 --> 1:10:30.320 some clubs after I got out of the booking businesses 1:10:30.400 --> 1:10:32.479 more rocked in the menagerement. I had two or three 1:10:32.479 --> 1:10:34.519 clubs and he played in a month in a while, 1:10:34.640 --> 1:10:37.960 he played in a bar called the Georgia Street Bar 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:39.800 and grill and need to play all the records, all 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:41.560 the songs he plays today. He played there with a 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:46.080 trio and stuff like that. Um, he goes to uh, 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:48.760 he gets a lot. He goes to sing for the 1:10:48.800 --> 1:10:52.200 Prime Minister's daughter's wedding because Foster was at it and 1:10:52.320 --> 1:10:54.439 fostered and said, you'd get this guy. He can sing 1:10:54.560 --> 1:10:56.920 this stuff. And so he came out there and sang 1:10:56.960 --> 1:10:59.080 for the Prime Minister to two or three songs. I was. 1:10:59.320 --> 1:11:01.400 I wasn't there at the time and wasn't involved at 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:05.439 that time, and the Prime Minister said, Foster, you've got 1:11:05.560 --> 1:11:07.519 to make this do a record for this guy. And 1:11:07.640 --> 1:11:10.240 Foster took it as a challenge and said he would. 1:11:10.360 --> 1:11:12.160 And I had managed David, like I told you before, 1:11:12.200 --> 1:11:16.479 when he's eighteen nineteen, and he he came back and 1:11:16.520 --> 1:11:19.920 started working on this record and unbeknownst to me, and 1:11:20.680 --> 1:11:24.800 he's down the stage making it and uh, probably in 1:11:24.880 --> 1:11:28.519 the record. He phoned me he said, uh, listen, um, 1:11:28.760 --> 1:11:31.000 I'm making this record. I wonder if you'd be interested 1:11:31.000 --> 1:11:33.000 in the artist. He says, he says, you ever heard 1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:34.800 of Michael Booby. I says, yeah, I used to work 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:36.840 in a cocktail lounge type of thing that I had. 1:11:36.920 --> 1:11:38.840 He said yeah, he said, I'm making this record with 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:40.599 him and so Reverie. What kind of record are you making? 1:11:41.040 --> 1:11:44.240 I'm making a romance record, a romance record. Why would 1:11:44.280 --> 1:11:47.360 you be making a romance record, Bruce, he says, I 1:11:47.439 --> 1:11:49.400 listen to everything is on radio, there's no romance. People 1:11:49.439 --> 1:11:52.720 always want romance. I'm making this romance record. I said, 1:11:52.760 --> 1:11:56.680 that's interesting. He says, okay. He says, you interested all. 1:11:56.760 --> 1:11:58.360 I says, well, you know, David, you're making the record. 1:11:58.400 --> 1:11:59.840 Of course I got to be interested. He said, well, 1:11:59.840 --> 1:12:04.519 how interested? He says I Abo? I said okay. He said, 1:12:04.960 --> 1:12:08.000 what's gonna take? What's gonna make you go to? I said, well, 1:12:08.040 --> 1:12:09.479 you better send it to me so I can hear it. 1:12:10.000 --> 1:12:11.200 He says, okay, I'll send it up to you. So 1:12:11.240 --> 1:12:14.360 about a week later, up came the record songs and 1:12:14.920 --> 1:12:18.760 listen to the record. Foster makes great records, and and 1:12:18.880 --> 1:12:20.120 I didn't know what to do with it. And I 1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:24.439 but as much as I bet on Randy Backman for 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:28.559 Backman turn Over Drive, I bet on David Foster because 1:12:28.600 --> 1:12:31.519 he was coming off Josh Groban. I bet on David Foster, 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:35.280 it's Michael Bobble because he was on a roll a 1:12:35.320 --> 1:12:38.719 bit in that genre. But then I got the record 1:12:38.720 --> 1:12:41.720 and I thought, what do I do with it? How 1:12:41.760 --> 1:12:43.719 do how do we what is this a theater actor? 1:12:43.840 --> 1:12:45.560 I didn't, you know, trying to get a grip of this, 1:12:46.320 --> 1:12:49.240 and I sent it to my send it to Don Fox, 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:52.400 probably I would bring into America because I know he 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:55.280 killed for it because he's independent. And I gave it 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:57.920 to my agent in Europe and they both thought he 1:12:58.000 --> 1:13:01.800 was making a joke. And I said, no, this is 1:13:01.960 --> 1:13:03.840 this is gonna be a record. I'm gonna do this 1:13:03.920 --> 1:13:07.080 record and I Don, I said, Don listen, we're gonna 1:13:07.120 --> 1:13:08.640 put this record out and you're gonna help me with it. 1:13:08.760 --> 1:13:10.320 And I'd like you to help me with it. And 1:13:12.040 --> 1:13:13.760 he said, I don't know, But I just don't know 1:13:13.800 --> 1:13:16.439 what he says, but he says, get the kids singing. 1:13:16.479 --> 1:13:19.000 A kid happen to be in the office, and and 1:13:19.160 --> 1:13:21.320 I says, put him on the phone of me, says 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:26.000 I want this is Don Fox. Michael, Yeah, Don Fox, Yes, 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:29.040 I heard you, Don Okay singing returned to me for 1:13:29.160 --> 1:13:31.840 me because Don kind of likes that. Returned to me 1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:38.800 Fox that I think this is fantastic. Okay, So he said, okay, okay, okay, okay, 1:13:38.800 --> 1:13:40.320 and he went to his office. He played the record. 1:13:40.320 --> 1:13:41.880 The office looked at him like he was from Mars 1:13:42.080 --> 1:13:43.800 and says, we're going to try and break this act. 1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:45.760 So I said, he said, let's say you put a 1:13:45.840 --> 1:13:50.439 bunch of shows together, Phoenix, Seattle, small small cities in 1:13:50.840 --> 1:13:53.760 the record results, small cities in uh California, so on 1:13:53.760 --> 1:13:58.360 and so forth, and uh put on put the tickets 1:13:58.400 --> 1:14:00.240 on sale. Remember he phoned me after the first again, 1:14:00.720 --> 1:14:07.799 okay ticket accounts. Here we go Phoenix, Okay, some surplace 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:11.800 in California, eight Seattle. What does his family drive down? 1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:16.080 You know, like we sit there and I go, okay. Well, 1:14:16.439 --> 1:14:18.280 you know, and he worked at he believed in it. 1:14:18.360 --> 1:14:20.719 But all of a sudden we hit TV. Michael Bubby 1:14:20.760 --> 1:14:24.320 got put on TV. And have that happened? That just 1:14:24.479 --> 1:14:27.160 that the record company pushing We ended up two people 1:14:27.800 --> 1:14:30.280 people of the record company. We're behind us. One person 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:31.920 who was behind us at that record company who did 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:33.920 a hell of a job is Liz Rosenberg. And if 1:14:33.920 --> 1:14:35.559 I say, I bring up Lizzard Road. If I bring 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:37.400 up Liz Rosenberg in front the name, in front of 1:14:37.479 --> 1:14:39.960 any pr person in the world, they know who the 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:43.880 hell she is and they whoa whoa right, So she 1:14:44.040 --> 1:14:46.479 had some muscle and she muscled us on too, like 1:14:46.600 --> 1:14:49.800 to the day show. And it worked and people say wow, 1:14:50.000 --> 1:14:52.439 you know, and he started to sell records. Who was 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:54.840 the other person who was behind you at the label? Oh, 1:14:55.960 --> 1:14:59.760 at that time, there's two guys. It was him and 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:03.280 the the girl who there was a guy who's gone 1:15:03.360 --> 1:15:06.320 Jeremy something who used to work there too. But the guy, 1:15:06.400 --> 1:15:08.519 the product manager, was behind us. So it was Liz 1:15:08.600 --> 1:15:09.960 and him they were and he was but he was 1:15:10.000 --> 1:15:11.600 one of these product managers like to make toys, you know, 1:15:11.680 --> 1:15:14.320 I'll send your stuff. That's Michael right right, right right, 1:15:14.960 --> 1:15:17.800 you know the guys that used to and and and he. 1:15:17.960 --> 1:15:20.800 But then then and of course then another guy or 1:15:20.880 --> 1:15:22.560 who caught it in South Africa was a friend of 1:15:22.640 --> 1:15:25.600 mine now a friend of mine named Dion Singer, and 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:28.240 he caught it in Toronto in South Africa and started 1:15:28.280 --> 1:15:29.880 to do some stuff over there. So we had these weird, 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:33.160 weird markets South Africa. The States are starting to warm 1:15:33.240 --> 1:15:37.679 up Canada, Canada. That's your phone, not mine, Canada, Canada, 1:15:37.880 --> 1:15:41.400 because it was because of course he's in Canada. But 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:45.080 you know it, it's just he did great press. He 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:46.800 did every time he was on TV. And that's a 1:15:46.880 --> 1:15:49.320 record that was broken, Bob by us doing TV show 1:15:49.479 --> 1:15:51.680 really because then and then the music caught up to 1:15:51.840 --> 1:15:56.640 us and uh, Bob, it's it's unbelievable. And and he 1:15:56.720 --> 1:15:59.639 had you know, and and Foster, Foster did a great 1:15:59.680 --> 1:16:02.000 job us. All those albums that heat, all the albums 1:16:02.000 --> 1:16:04.000 that that David's done with Michael have been very very good. 1:16:04.520 --> 1:16:05.680 And then of course, of course it is a big 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:08.479 home run with a Christmas album. And you know, as 1:16:08.680 --> 1:16:11.599 as I go into my ninth year now, that Christmas 1:16:11.640 --> 1:16:13.640 album out and your Bob, that's very neat to do 1:16:13.720 --> 1:16:15.400 in the Christmas albums only you only work on for 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:19.599 about eight weeks max, you know, And that's the biggest 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:24.960 selling album known in Christmas record history. Okay, so let's 1:16:25.000 --> 1:16:28.679 talk about today. Certainly the business has changed. For fifteen 1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:31.679 years we were arguing about the disruption of the music business. 1:16:31.800 --> 1:16:36.240 That's basically over what do we know? Streaming has paused 1:16:36.320 --> 1:16:41.080 revenues to go up, but generally speaking, the revenues go 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:44.080 primarily to those at the very top of the Spotify 1:16:44.240 --> 1:16:49.240 top fifty. So as a manager today, what is your 1:16:49.880 --> 1:16:53.320 you know, what is your plan for an act? Well, 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:55.040 that's what I'm looking into now. And I think the 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:58.000 only thing that I'm feeling good about Spotify is that 1:16:59.200 --> 1:17:02.439 I hear and only reading stuff, reading and reading because 1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:04.760 I ever put out a record on Michael for a while. 1:17:05.720 --> 1:17:10.720 Is that the dead generation now fifty plus is going 1:17:10.760 --> 1:17:13.120 over to streaming because they have no option. Now you 1:17:13.160 --> 1:17:15.759 would know that better than me, but that's what I'm told, Okay, 1:17:15.840 --> 1:17:18.200 And I believe that how am you know? In terms 1:17:18.240 --> 1:17:19.800 of breaking the record is one thing, In terms of 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:24.040 getting paid is another. But keeps Yeah, and so I've 1:17:24.080 --> 1:17:27.960 always I think, you know, it's gonna be interesting how 1:17:28.080 --> 1:17:30.000 how this record is, Well, see the next record, no 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:31.840 matter what he does. But the one thing I've learned, 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:35.040 Bob is I can't I don't think I know is 1:17:35.120 --> 1:17:37.559 I can't chase it. I can't sit there and look 1:17:37.600 --> 1:17:39.200 what's getting played on the radio and say, Michael, this 1:17:39.240 --> 1:17:40.479 is we gotta do some of this, we gotta do 1:17:40.560 --> 1:17:43.000 some of that. We have to. I think I believe, 1:17:43.160 --> 1:17:45.240 stay in our lane and do what we do, okay, 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:50.080 because basically our our life is sensational. Okay, people want 1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:53.120 to see this guy, okay, and we I put on 1:17:53.240 --> 1:17:57.360 ticket sales in in in your in the UK ten 1:17:57.479 --> 1:18:00.439 days ago for this tour we're doing just le around 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:03.400 with it with called the Stately Home Store. We are 1:18:03.400 --> 1:18:05.320 playing in front of these mansions outside the country in 1:18:05.400 --> 1:18:07.840 England and put our ticket sales on sale in the 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:10.920 midst of this thing the pandemic and did eighteen thousand 1:18:10.960 --> 1:18:14.000 tickets in two days. Okay. Now he's done. When are they? 1:18:14.040 --> 1:18:16.040 When are these days supposed to play? Post to schedule 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:18.600 in July August this year? Okay. Now, this is a 1:18:18.640 --> 1:18:21.240 guy who's done in one single run ten nights at 1:18:21.280 --> 1:18:23.800 the O two. Nobody does that then and ended up 1:18:23.880 --> 1:18:25.320 had to split a couple of days. We came back 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:27.840 and do two more, so twelve nights. Is this guy 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:32.559 sells tickets around the world, So why should be chasing 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:37.599 radio because what's my chances there? Michael's forty two years old, 1:18:38.080 --> 1:18:41.840 He's a he's great, great joy, great guy, great singer, 1:18:41.960 --> 1:18:45.479 great performer. Okay, if I can just get good records, 1:18:46.760 --> 1:18:50.280 we'll do fine, our our audience will find us. Okay. 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:52.560 Will they be buying records, probably not, will be the 1:18:52.600 --> 1:18:57.479 same Alexis play whatever, Probably yes. But I still don't 1:18:57.520 --> 1:18:59.920 want to give up making records because there are there 1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:03.640 is still I think that I believe there's a real 1:19:03.680 --> 1:19:07.559 big market out there for Michael Buble still this day. Okay, 1:19:07.640 --> 1:19:11.200 but let's just say, in general, an act that already 1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:15.280 has a career, how important is the record in terms 1:19:15.360 --> 1:19:17.920 of road business? Where you make the lions share of 1:19:18.000 --> 1:19:22.000 the money, if you're if you if you're if you're 1:19:22.040 --> 1:19:25.280 an act, if you're a heritage act. It's not because 1:19:25.320 --> 1:19:29.040 they're going there to see the songs they want. I 1:19:29.200 --> 1:19:30.920 was out there touring Brian Adams. A bill was Brian 1:19:31.000 --> 1:19:35.040 Adams and and uh and Uh Billy Idol. That audience 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:37.679 stood up from beginning to end. Fantastic, Okay, they knew 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:39.960 every song. They don't know what Billy's last albums or 1:19:40.040 --> 1:19:43.559 Brian's okay, but they love to hear those songs. Though 1:19:43.720 --> 1:19:46.680 that generation was brought up with music, music was a 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:48.680 big part of Bob less tess life. It's a big 1:19:48.720 --> 1:19:50.439 part of mine, Okay. It was a big part of 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:52.320 Brian's and it was a big part of of of 1:19:53.040 --> 1:19:55.479 of of journeys, or a big part of all all 1:19:55.479 --> 1:19:57.320 the different that all those guys, that was a big 1:19:57.360 --> 1:20:00.280 part of our life. Those acts and those songs, and 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:02.600 those people still want to hear them. They want to 1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:05.599 hear them. I will guarantee you that they're not gonna 1:20:05.640 --> 1:20:08.560 go and want to go to see Little Punk or 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:10.519 what these acts are. They're not gonna go see him 1:20:10.840 --> 1:20:13.960 when they're fifty. I don't believe that, Okay. I believe 1:20:14.000 --> 1:20:15.920 our guys will keep coming. And I believe young people 1:20:16.120 --> 1:20:17.680 like our music too. They do. You can see it 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:20.160 in festivals. You get up there, you put a band 1:20:20.240 --> 1:20:23.080 Brian Adams playing any festival. I can sit him there 1:20:23.120 --> 1:20:24.720 and say, you can bang out ten hits in a row. 1:20:24.760 --> 1:20:27.120 And I don't care who you are, you go whoa boy. 1:20:28.200 --> 1:20:30.679 And that's that's the and that's why did the Eagles 1:20:30.680 --> 1:20:33.720 stay the Eagles. The Eagles can sell tickets anywhere for 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:36.160 any price. Irving's proved her over and over again. You 1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:38.240 look at hundred bucks, are you insane? I mean I 1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:40.680 went through that ere They're going there and people go 1:20:40.840 --> 1:20:45.519 to see those songs, and those songs my kids have 1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:49.000 sat in my house listening to my music for such 1:20:49.000 --> 1:20:51.360 a long time has become their music, and my daughter 1:20:51.479 --> 1:20:52.840 was down. I had to go to Irving to get 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:54.479 tickets for that show in Vegas, but you had when 1:20:54.479 --> 1:20:57.360 they had their orchestra there. He loves us and to 1:20:57.439 --> 1:20:59.160 come back homes. He's only but that gimes. She's like 1:20:59.240 --> 1:21:01.360 twenty eight or night. She came back and said, that's 1:21:01.360 --> 1:21:03.640 the best show I've ever seen, you know, and that 1:21:03.760 --> 1:21:06.720 and that's pretty cool. But how do you decide on 1:21:06.800 --> 1:21:13.640 ticket prices for Boo bleyan atoms? Well, Dawn Fox does 1:21:13.840 --> 1:21:16.280 never want anybody to not be able to come, be 1:21:16.400 --> 1:21:18.720 able to buy a ticket. He can't stand some of 1:21:18.760 --> 1:21:22.559 these prices he's seen, and so we have huge arguments 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:25.800 over that. But we do have to scale the house. 1:21:26.320 --> 1:21:28.439 You know. There's reasons why you can get more money 1:21:28.840 --> 1:21:31.280 at the place. We were out there with nineteen trucks. 1:21:31.439 --> 1:21:34.400 We got out there with thirty six musicians. Okay, this 1:21:34.520 --> 1:21:37.639 isn't cheap. Okay, So I mean we gotta make money, 1:21:37.720 --> 1:21:40.479 we gotta make a living. So the hundred dollar ticket market, 1:21:40.560 --> 1:21:42.560 I thought that Irving was nuts and it's going to 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:46.160 screw up the business. That's nothing now, so we can 1:21:46.200 --> 1:21:48.920 sell a ticket. Mike can sell a ticket for hundred bucks, 1:21:49.320 --> 1:21:51.000 and he can sell ticket for a hundred fifty bucks 1:21:51.040 --> 1:21:53.320 at a certain place. They can do that and people 1:21:53.360 --> 1:21:56.120 will come because and the one thing you gotta remember, 1:21:56.240 --> 1:21:58.080 you gotta stay in your lane. But guess what, he's 1:21:58.120 --> 1:22:01.120 so lucky. He's the only guy in the lane. Right. Absolutely, 1:22:01.720 --> 1:22:03.880 there's no better business than that, No, I know it. 1:22:03.960 --> 1:22:05.720 So you know if the people he's he's the guy, 1:22:05.840 --> 1:22:07.880 they'll go and see because he can do it. And 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:12.599 and it's it's it's it's really a battle over over ticket. 1:22:12.680 --> 1:22:18.200 It is with down because he just doesn't believe in 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:20.680 the high ticket prices. He doesn't like it, okay, but 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:22.479 he knows he has to be competitive with me. And 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:26.080 so yeah, could I get more somewhere else? Probably? Is 1:22:26.120 --> 1:22:28.560 that the right thing to do? Maybe, but maybe not 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:33.559 too because at least bou Blaze Michael spaper stuff stuff 1:22:33.600 --> 1:22:36.120 on it too. Bob. He he didn't want me to 1:22:36.200 --> 1:22:38.000 walk in there and say our top prices two hundred bucks. 1:22:38.120 --> 1:22:39.559 He doesn't want to get the phone calls. He doesn't 1:22:39.560 --> 1:22:41.600 want to get people talking to him about it. You know, 1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:45.680 he's doing fine, okay now big topics. I don't know 1:22:45.760 --> 1:22:47.759 how much they affect your market, but in the business 1:22:47.800 --> 1:22:51.280 in general, big topics are the secondary market and the fees. 1:22:51.800 --> 1:22:56.000 What are your takes on those fees for? How which fees? Uh? 1:22:56.360 --> 1:23:00.400 You know, ticket fees. Oh well, I got a promoter 1:23:00.479 --> 1:23:03.240 who bashes away at that better than anybody. So I 1:23:03.439 --> 1:23:07.000 I think I've never been I've never had a problem 1:23:07.360 --> 1:23:10.519 because Michael Bobble. First of all, there's a big demand 1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:12.880 from the city, from the town, from the places in 1:23:13.000 --> 1:23:16.200 small markets too, to have Michael Bobble there. We gotta 1:23:16.240 --> 1:23:19.680 get Michael Booble into this building. Okay. You don't have 1:23:19.760 --> 1:23:21.719 to get the ever the everyday rock act in the building. 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:23.600 We've got to get Michael Boobery here. It's important that 1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:26.040 Michael boober week and that's what we get. So don 1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:29.080 fox when he cuts those deals, I think he does 1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:30.800 a hell of a job. So I don't sit here 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:32.760 complaining too much about the feast because they already haven't 1:23:32.760 --> 1:23:36.840 affected me. Okay, Because if somebody wants you because they 1:23:36.960 --> 1:23:39.320 need you, because they want to go to get to 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:41.519 this type of they want to get that crowd in there, 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:44.920 guess what Michael Booble will come in, and he doesn't 1:23:44.960 --> 1:23:46.360 mean you get read don't need we don't need to 1:23:46.360 --> 1:23:50.320 get raped in pillage by the building. Okay. And that's 1:23:50.360 --> 1:23:52.960 so far it hasn't. Or the ticket thing, I mean, 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:56.200 Don goes through Ticketmaster. You know, we all sell our 1:23:56.200 --> 1:23:59.160 tickets the same way, but we price our stuff the 1:23:59.200 --> 1:24:00.800 way we want to. Bob, I don't, I don't we 1:24:00.880 --> 1:24:04.000 don't you want to get big fees? I mean, yeah, yeah, 1:24:04.000 --> 1:24:06.160 you go in. You're going, sir, here's what don Don 1:24:06.280 --> 1:24:09.479 sees the Madison Square Garden bill and just about commits suicide. Okay, 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:11.320 you can sell all the tickets. We want to walk 1:24:11.360 --> 1:24:13.320 out of their fifty grand I mean, it's just the 1:24:13.360 --> 1:24:16.000 way it is. Okay. But where we can go down 1:24:16.040 --> 1:24:17.720 the street, the Barklay Center. Now we can go back 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:19.760 to Nassau Coliseum, it's done. How we can go to 1:24:20.280 --> 1:24:23.120 Prudential across the river. We do all of them, okay. 1:24:23.160 --> 1:24:25.320 And it's you don't have to go there, but yes, 1:24:25.360 --> 1:24:27.040 you have to go to the Madison Square Garden because 1:24:27.080 --> 1:24:29.040 that's the thing that that's that's the ones you want 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:31.400 to play in Madison Square Garden. You want to play 1:24:32.160 --> 1:24:34.280 Wembley and you want to play the Buddha Coot. Okay, 1:24:34.360 --> 1:24:37.080 that's great. Now you're a national, worldwide act. But I said, 1:24:37.280 --> 1:24:40.479 I said, he gets mad at me. But I want 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:41.680 to go to the I don't care what I have 1:24:41.760 --> 1:24:43.960 to pay pay to play the Garden. I want to 1:24:44.000 --> 1:24:45.680 play there because I think it's a must. I think 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.000 it's a stamp. We made. We made a we made 1:24:48.040 --> 1:24:52.080 that deal. Michael Michael Booble meets Madison Square Garden. That 1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:57.280 was a Grammy winning video DVD. And think for and 1:24:57.400 --> 1:24:59.559 because it was. It's a big deal for a guy 1:24:59.560 --> 1:25:01.840 who was play the what's that thing? The Blue in 1:25:01.960 --> 1:25:05.080 New York, The Blue Bird of the Blue, the Little 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:07.960 Blue Angel. I'm trying to remember what it is, remember 1:25:08.320 --> 1:25:11.479 a little jazz club and he plays that. That's what 1:25:11.600 --> 1:25:13.760 we were playing. That's where I started with him. He 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:16.560 went to Madison Square Garden. I don't think he believed it. 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:19.240 He did that and did and he died three four 1:25:19.320 --> 1:25:21.519 nights there. Great, So I don't have I don't have 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:24.760 big bitches, Bob with prices and what about what's the 1:25:24.800 --> 1:25:28.479 plan with Adams these days? I gotta hear a new record. 1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:30.640 He's all excited about this record. His birthday to day 1:25:30.680 --> 1:25:32.479 so I wished him happy birthday and I said, I'm 1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:34.160 looking forward to hearing your record. But he's done and 1:25:34.320 --> 1:25:37.599 mustie and he says, yeah, the engineer becoming back. I'll 1:25:37.600 --> 1:25:39.680 after quarantine for fourteen days and I'll you know, he 1:25:39.840 --> 1:25:42.120 he'll kind of I'll wait to get it and I'll 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:44.840 probably have it in a couple of weeks and it'll 1:25:44.880 --> 1:25:47.479 be interesting and the record will be good. But now 1:25:47.560 --> 1:25:49.560 I gotta sit there and say, okay, now, where what 1:25:49.680 --> 1:25:51.320 do we do with this record? How do we have 1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:53.880 how do we promote this? That's gonna be That's gonna 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:56.920 be something I gotta sit down with and discuss, okay, 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:59.000 because that it's not the way it used to be. 1:25:59.160 --> 1:26:02.000 And we and I got brought up in a different era, 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:05.080 and we just it's hard for these artists to figure 1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:07.680 out what to do with this music. But if he 1:26:07.800 --> 1:26:10.160 tours all the time, which he will, and uh, and 1:26:10.680 --> 1:26:12.680 we don't like I mean, I'm glad Billboard. I'm glad 1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:15.240 Billboard took away the buy a ticket, get them c 1:26:15.360 --> 1:26:18.040 D stuff. You know, I'm just I hated that that's 1:26:18.080 --> 1:26:20.920 a fake chart. If you ever saw listen, the chart 1:26:21.000 --> 1:26:25.519 is still fake. It's you know, it's not meaning exactly 1:26:25.960 --> 1:26:27.880 is a magazine come out. Just's like Sports illustrat It's 1:26:27.880 --> 1:26:29.760 not five times a year. I mean what you know, 1:26:30.000 --> 1:26:32.479 I just I never get the magazine. I get the 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:36.080 Billboard bulletin. But maybe that's the thing. The problem is, 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:37.760 you know, I don't pay I get it as part 1:26:37.800 --> 1:26:41.760 of Apple News. Plus it's too consumer facing. At this point, 1:26:41.880 --> 1:26:45.679 there's just not enough insider information and it's bad writers 1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:48.519 writing about pop stuff. There's really no insight in it. 1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:50.439 And as far as the charts, the funny thing, of 1:26:50.560 --> 1:26:54.839 course is Pensky now owns them all variety Hollywood reporters, 1:26:54.920 --> 1:26:58.000 Sound Ski and Rolling Stone, and they have to competing 1:26:58.080 --> 1:27:01.639 you know, uh counts. But it's really the industry doesn't 1:27:01.720 --> 1:27:04.560 want an accurate account. They want to manipulate it so 1:27:04.720 --> 1:27:07.040 they can promote. It's like, you know this, I'm a 1:27:07.080 --> 1:27:09.720 Springsteen fan, but they put out a hype He's got 1:27:09.760 --> 1:27:12.040 a new album. He had a top five album in 1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:16.599 the last six decades. Okay, what does that mean? Almost 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:18.880 no one bought it, almost no one heard it. They're 1:27:18.920 --> 1:27:21.400 like doing it so they can have the publicity. Yeah, 1:27:21.800 --> 1:27:23.800 I know. Anyway, there's all these gimbicks to you know, 1:27:23.880 --> 1:27:25.400 look at that. I mean, I put out the records. 1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:27.200 I've done it with my own acts. Okay, here we go. 1:27:27.280 --> 1:27:28.960 We gotta debut this at number one. We gotta put 1:27:28.960 --> 1:27:30.599 our tour at the same time. Every time you buy 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:32.400 a ticket, you gotta buy the album. The album is included, 1:27:32.439 --> 1:27:34.400 or whatever you do. Bang it is number one, first week, 1:27:34.479 --> 1:27:36.800 number two, it's twenty two, okay, I mean second week. 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:38.680 I mean that. That's not the way it's supposed to be. 1:27:38.840 --> 1:27:41.000 Bob's find a debut number one, but you want to 1:27:41.040 --> 1:27:42.479 hang around in the five, in the top five for 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:46.080 the least a month. Absolutely, And it's not that way 1:27:46.160 --> 1:27:49.840 with certainly the Heritage X. But with Bryan Adams, is 1:27:49.960 --> 1:27:53.120 there a plan he wants to make a record, he 1:27:53.280 --> 1:27:56.000 makes the record. Is there a way to get his 1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:59.479 new music heard? The best way, the best way to 1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:02.920 get it, It's hardest way is via film. Okay. If 1:28:02.920 --> 1:28:04.360 you can get something in a film, it might work. 1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:06.320 If you get something a big TV show, it might work. 1:28:06.479 --> 1:28:09.160 That's a that's a long, long, long shot, okay. And 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:11.439 you can't stand around waiting for it. He's gonna come 1:28:11.479 --> 1:28:13.240 with a record. He's gonna want that record out and 1:28:13.320 --> 1:28:14.720 he's want to go out. He wants to go out 1:28:14.720 --> 1:28:17.080 there and play it. Brian Adams. We had a deal 1:28:17.120 --> 1:28:20.360 if we put together a deal in Germany two months 1:28:20.400 --> 1:28:23.840 ago where the Merrick Lie we buried. The promoter there 1:28:24.280 --> 1:28:28.200 had made a deal with a city that we were 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:30.280 going to do a show stadium show with three three 1:28:30.320 --> 1:28:33.479 Germans and Adams, Adams headlining for twelve thousand people in 1:28:33.640 --> 1:28:36.360 seventy five thousand seat soccer stadium. But he wanted to 1:28:36.400 --> 1:28:39.760 get music going again. Everybody got we all got going. 1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:42.360 And I was against it because I I think there's 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:44.439 a vibe to music. I think there's old vibe to 1:28:44.479 --> 1:28:45.960 be sitting in a car. I think there's no vibe 1:28:45.960 --> 1:28:48.320 in those pens stock pens they made the people stand 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:50.559 in London in and I don't think there's any vibe 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:52.280 in sitting there in twelve thousand, five hundred people in 1:28:52.320 --> 1:28:55.000 the seventy five stee stadium. I think it's a terrible thing. 1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:58.519 But he wants to play. So what am I gonna do. 1:28:59.160 --> 1:29:01.400 I'm gonna put together other tour. I'm doing it now. 1:29:01.520 --> 1:29:03.759 He'll go and play again. He'll play the new album 1:29:04.240 --> 1:29:08.320 and hopefully hopefully some people will like it and be 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:10.640 driven to it. But can I really promise, can I 1:29:10.720 --> 1:29:13.080 promise a radio hit bop? I wouldn't say that. I can't. 1:29:13.400 --> 1:29:15.080 I can't do that. If I if I went to 1:29:15.120 --> 1:29:17.120 Brian am said I would make this. I'll take this 1:29:17.240 --> 1:29:19.880 top five pop radio. First of all, you think I 1:29:20.040 --> 1:29:23.559 was mad. But he still wants to create. He wants 1:29:23.600 --> 1:29:26.439 to create. This guy is a creator. So I'm there 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:29.760 to help him do that. He can always tour. He knows, 1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:32.600 he knows that people love those songs, and and and 1:29:32.880 --> 1:29:34.679 and isn't he lucky he's got them? I remember said 1:29:34.680 --> 1:29:38.000 there with Elton John and some private we didn't ball 1:29:38.080 --> 1:29:40.439 rain or someplace like that, and Alton John sat there 1:29:40.439 --> 1:29:42.439 and he said, Brian used to listen as when when 1:29:42.720 --> 1:29:46.360 when When everything I do is hot? He says, Brian, 1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:49.160 you better like that record because you'll be sending it 1:29:49.200 --> 1:29:51.400 for the rest of your life. And you know what, 1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:53.960 He's right, He's right. We have to And I mean, 1:29:54.560 --> 1:29:57.360 and and what's wrong with that, Bob? What's wrong with it? Nothing? 1:29:57.760 --> 1:29:59.559 But it's great that Brian can still put out records 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:01.680 and people to put them out, and we do. He 1:30:01.760 --> 1:30:03.599 does a good job. On him He's still a great writer. 1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:08.639 And it's just if I said to you and said 1:30:08.640 --> 1:30:09.880 I got a plan, I can know I can put 1:30:09.920 --> 1:30:13.280 this thing top ten, you'd say you're an asset. I mean, 1:30:13.320 --> 1:30:18.519 because we know what we're dealing with. Okay, you're not 1:30:18.720 --> 1:30:22.160 at all. You're a guy's guy. Why is everybody in 1:30:22.240 --> 1:30:24.680 your office, same with Irving? Why is everybody in your 1:30:24.720 --> 1:30:27.120 office a woman? Because they're smarter and they and they 1:30:27.360 --> 1:30:29.400 are better, better, and they work better and then you 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:32.280 know what they are. They're dedicated to what they do. Okay, 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:34.479 only they have to do with a woman is hopefully 1:30:34.920 --> 1:30:39.640 I believe this anyways, treat them politely and properly. And 1:30:39.840 --> 1:30:44.400 I go to my girls are tremendously tuned into you 1:30:44.479 --> 1:30:46.680 because the young ages from twenty five some of them. 1:30:46.960 --> 1:30:49.720 So one of my sisters twenty five years old. The 1:30:49.800 --> 1:30:52.519 stuff she knows that I don't know, you know, And 1:30:52.720 --> 1:30:54.840 and and I got my marketing girls probably one of 1:30:54.840 --> 1:30:58.720 the best in the country. I mean, my accountant is 1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:01.040 it's been doing that and looking after these guys money 1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:04.320 or getting our settlements for probably eighteen years. And I 1:31:04.400 --> 1:31:06.280 guess you know what other one other thing, Bob, they 1:31:06.280 --> 1:31:10.200 don't want my job swinging dicks want my job. You 1:31:10.280 --> 1:31:15.920 know that. That's an excellent point. Absolutely, So will you 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:20.160 ever retire? Do this till you drop? Well, you know, 1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:26.360 I'm seventy five now, and I don't think so. I think, Bob, 1:31:26.640 --> 1:31:30.200 as long as I'm winning, I'll keep doing it. Okay, 1:31:30.840 --> 1:31:35.519 we got some we got some really cool stuff coming. Okay. Um, 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:40.040 and not necessarily music all the time. But you know, 1:31:40.120 --> 1:31:42.840 Michael has done very very well with Pepsi and the 1:31:42.880 --> 1:31:46.120 Bubbly thing, you know that, and uh, and there's a 1:31:46.200 --> 1:31:48.719 lot of demand for him for that stuff. And and Brian, 1:31:48.800 --> 1:31:50.519 you know, he had that, He had the thing on Broadway, 1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:54.800 Pretty Woman on Broadway and stuff like that. These guys, 1:31:54.920 --> 1:31:58.680 these guys love music. So we I know we can. 1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:00.840 I know we can keep them going. We have a history, 1:32:01.360 --> 1:32:04.840 we have a we have a legacy, okay. And I 1:32:04.960 --> 1:32:06.600 believe as long as you put on good shows and 1:32:06.880 --> 1:32:09.160 give the audience their money's worth, and we could play 1:32:09.200 --> 1:32:11.720 some of the new music to not a problem. That's 1:32:11.720 --> 1:32:13.360 why Michael, Michael is the best deal of all. He 1:32:13.400 --> 1:32:18.400 puts out music anyway exactly, you know. But I mean, 1:32:18.520 --> 1:32:21.240 I just believe you've got a career there, and you 1:32:21.280 --> 1:32:23.720 can keep going. I know Brian does, and you know, 1:32:23.880 --> 1:32:26.160 like Jann Arden, I just took over John Ardens. You know, 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:30.439 I took over Joann Arden for for for whatever reason, 1:32:30.800 --> 1:32:33.240 basically the girls wandered in the office, you know, because 1:32:33.280 --> 1:32:35.040 she thought he thought would be good. And jan got 1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:37.080 a TV show and just got picked up down in 1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:39.599 US too. She's fifty seven years old, and we're gonna 1:32:39.640 --> 1:32:42.160 break this girl. We're gonna break this girl fifty seven 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:45.160 years old. Are you kidding? You're gonna break her musically, 1:32:45.479 --> 1:32:48.160 musically and as I know as a celebrity too, as 1:32:48.200 --> 1:32:51.280 a person who's who's a viable artist. Okay, I want 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:53.240 to break your music. Bruce read the cup. I just 1:32:53.240 --> 1:32:54.920 sent it down. He said he didn't even know this happen. 1:32:55.120 --> 1:32:57.280 And all of a sudden, Hulu picked up this series 1:32:57.520 --> 1:32:59.200 and the same people did Ships Creak and you know 1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:02.920 Ship's Creek. We're okay, and so this is gonna follow 1:33:03.000 --> 1:33:05.479 and she'll have a massive career. Her book came out. 1:33:05.520 --> 1:33:07.360 Today's the third time and she's had a book out 1:33:07.600 --> 1:33:10.040 the number one in the number one in Canada three 1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:12.240 times in a row. Now they're moving it down to 1:33:12.320 --> 1:33:14.719 the States. Do you watch what will happen fifty seven 1:33:14.840 --> 1:33:17.320 years old? Are you fucking kidding me? And it's it's 1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:19.560 a real I'm really proud of it. Okay. And I 1:33:19.640 --> 1:33:21.320 got the call from Bob Rock to help him out 1:33:21.320 --> 1:33:24.439 with the Offspring. We got involved with the Offspring, Okay, 1:33:24.560 --> 1:33:26.960 I did, Bob. Bob's making these records. Nobody's helping the 1:33:27.000 --> 1:33:29.640 records are going to dine in the ditch. Okay. So 1:33:29.840 --> 1:33:33.639 he says, Bruce, come on, he helped me help out 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:36.599 the boys. I don't. I don't know the Offspring music 1:33:36.680 --> 1:33:39.200 that well, but people in the office knew it, okay. 1:33:39.320 --> 1:33:41.320 And I said, let's given a shot on you know, 1:33:41.520 --> 1:33:45.679 I met Dexter and and uh and I'm preay quite 1:33:45.680 --> 1:33:47.439 excited about it. I never thought i'd work in a 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:49.160 band again. I did. I didn't want to work in 1:33:49.200 --> 1:33:50.479 a band again. I don't want to argue with a 1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:53.080 bunch of guys. But you know, Randy Bursticks carrying the 1:33:53.120 --> 1:33:55.720 ball on that and other people in my office. I mean, 1:33:55.760 --> 1:33:58.439 I'm doing what I can do, but you know, these 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:02.800 I'm winning. As long as I keep winning, I think 1:34:02.840 --> 1:34:06.840 I'll stay in it. What is that is? Is that unreasonable? 1:34:07.160 --> 1:34:09.800 Not whatsoever? I don't plan to retire as all. I've 1:34:09.800 --> 1:34:12.720 got my faculties, but I just know your personality. I 1:34:12.840 --> 1:34:14.560 was setting it up, and I don't see how you 1:34:14.640 --> 1:34:17.280 don't continue to win. As you say, you know, Boo 1:34:17.360 --> 1:34:19.400 Bleat and the Atoms, they can sell tickets till they 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:21.519 don't want to work anymore. Oh yeah, But I mean, 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:24.479 but also, you know, it forces guys like me, the 1:34:24.960 --> 1:34:27.080 situation we're in with radio, in the situation we're in 1:34:27.240 --> 1:34:31.519 in our business, it's it's it forces me and my 1:34:31.680 --> 1:34:34.800 people here to look elsewhere to do stuff. And there's 1:34:34.800 --> 1:34:36.680 a lot of stuff out there. There's a lot of 1:34:36.760 --> 1:34:39.519 things that can be done, and and I'm trying to 1:34:39.600 --> 1:34:41.600 do some of them, and I kind of enjoy it, 1:34:42.200 --> 1:34:45.600 you know. But you also you also tell me a 1:34:45.680 --> 1:34:48.200 couple of times we've been together, and you go, I'm thinking, Bob, 1:34:48.400 --> 1:34:52.000 I'm always thinking, and you're coming up with ideas. You're 1:34:52.040 --> 1:34:55.800 not someone I mean, you're essentially in the business all 1:34:55.880 --> 1:35:00.080 the time. You're not taking a vacation and check it out. No, no, 1:35:00.479 --> 1:35:04.360 And you know, I mean, I I love what I do, 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:08.040 and Bob, but I know, I know, I understand why 1:35:08.120 --> 1:35:11.400 guys leave. Okay, I understand why guys get out of 1:35:11.400 --> 1:35:16.280 the business, and uh, it's management. You care about the 1:35:16.320 --> 1:35:20.920 bubbler like kids. I care about these guys. Okay, I said, 1:35:20.920 --> 1:35:23.840 I got out to see Martina McBride and because Joe 1:35:23.920 --> 1:35:26.200 Galante his wife died, had to go to the and 1:35:26.320 --> 1:35:28.800 been to back to Nashville. Since I left and I 1:35:28.920 --> 1:35:31.360 saw John and Martina. It broke me down like a 1:35:31.360 --> 1:35:37.200 twelve year old. Okay's crying because you know, I can't 1:35:37.240 --> 1:35:39.240 hate the person. It just didn't work. Okay. We told 1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:40.920 a lot of records. We want everything. It was to win. 1:35:41.439 --> 1:35:43.880 But I mean, you're involved with these people. It's it's 1:35:44.400 --> 1:35:47.120 it's it's important. That's why you say you've got a 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:48.800 contract with Bubble. You know, you got a contract with 1:35:49.160 --> 1:35:50.960 the Offspring. No, you got a contract with Bob. No 1:35:51.040 --> 1:35:54.479 you got a contract? No, no, no, Okay, because but 1:35:54.560 --> 1:35:56.360 I've never got to the point where I said this 1:35:56.560 --> 1:35:59.040 is funny. I gotta get out of here. Okay, are 1:35:59.280 --> 1:36:01.360 they never have? We failed? I failed and had to 1:36:01.360 --> 1:36:03.120 go on. There's no sense. I know when sometimes when 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:05.240 I can't can't keep doing it. So I'm not going 1:36:05.280 --> 1:36:07.120 to break this act or didn't work, The thing doesn't 1:36:07.240 --> 1:36:09.519 somehow doesn't work. I can leave and walk away and 1:36:09.560 --> 1:36:12.599 said the best I can. But isn't it a lot better, 1:36:12.760 --> 1:36:16.120 Bob than then? Okay, remember I got you guys signed 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:17.680 for life. Now, every time that song gets played, I 1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:20.040 want to make sure I'm gonna check your Come on, man, 1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:24.240 fuck this, I did you know? I don't do that, Martin. 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:27.320 I shook. I phoned her up and and when I quit, 1:36:27.479 --> 1:36:29.960 and I never I didn't ask for a sunset clause. 1:36:30.040 --> 1:36:33.599 Sunset fuck you know we did all right altogether, That's 1:36:33.640 --> 1:36:37.240 what I believe. Okay. Now, it used to be a 1:36:37.400 --> 1:36:41.439 very unitary business where there was one chart, everybody knew 1:36:41.479 --> 1:36:45.160 the same songs, and all the business has been completely flattened. 1:36:45.479 --> 1:36:48.920 So do you feel okay, I'm in the atoms business, 1:36:49.000 --> 1:36:51.120 I'm in the art and is I'm the offspring business. 1:36:51.360 --> 1:36:54.240 And what's happening in Billboard, what's happening and who's running 1:36:54.280 --> 1:36:57.559 the labels is an interesting thing, but it's not really 1:36:57.680 --> 1:37:01.559 me anymore. I'd love to go, I go. I love 1:37:01.640 --> 1:37:03.840 to go talk. I love talking to record company people, Bob, 1:37:03.840 --> 1:37:05.400 because in the in the end, a lot of them 1:37:05.840 --> 1:37:07.479 that I talked to, and if I talked to Tom 1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:11.160 corson Okay, and if I talked to UH, if I 1:37:11.280 --> 1:37:15.120 talked to the guys at Universal, or if I talked 1:37:15.160 --> 1:37:17.280 to Reznikov, or I talked to these guys, I have 1:37:17.360 --> 1:37:21.240 to work with their their music guys. Bob, there's music guys. 1:37:21.520 --> 1:37:23.720 I said. There was Paul Kremin over there at UH 1:37:24.320 --> 1:37:27.320 at the label, and he's a music guy. They know music, 1:37:27.400 --> 1:37:30.040 they talked. They still love it. Okay, they're they're forced 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:32.320 to work where they gotta work, but they still like music. 1:37:33.000 --> 1:37:36.080 And I so I I don't have any problem. You know. 1:37:36.479 --> 1:37:38.559 When I talked to guys in Land, Tony Harlow over 1:37:38.560 --> 1:37:40.720 there who runs runs it over in the UK, and 1:37:41.200 --> 1:37:44.120 and Max Maxwell Soda and stuff like that, they're really 1:37:44.200 --> 1:37:47.760 notedgable music guys that they they don't think anybody likes 1:37:48.240 --> 1:37:51.120 particularly likes where the business is right now, except except 1:37:51.360 --> 1:37:52.840 the money that comes in and the money they make 1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:54.960 and the bonuses and the bullshit they do. They like 1:37:55.080 --> 1:37:57.680 it for that. But sure, every guy, every guy I 1:37:57.720 --> 1:38:01.000 have talked to in the business says the same. You 1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:04.240 know what, Bruce, It's a great business, but just isn't 1:38:04.280 --> 1:38:06.599 fun like it used to be. That's what they say. 1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:10.000 Every guy who's like sixty or fifty five. You know, 1:38:10.240 --> 1:38:12.840 that's what they say, and I think that's right. Now. 1:38:12.920 --> 1:38:15.599 I'm lucky that I got great artists and I get 1:38:15.760 --> 1:38:18.160 writing the creative thing. I said, So, I'm kind of lucky. 1:38:18.160 --> 1:38:21.040 I don't have to work. Should I don't want to work? Okay, 1:38:23.360 --> 1:38:25.880 it's just it's just different. Okay, Just a couple more 1:38:26.040 --> 1:38:28.120 things for those who aren't informed. You know, you're a 1:38:28.160 --> 1:38:32.120 guy living in Vancouver, but your acts are international acts 1:38:32.520 --> 1:38:34.960 from the you know, certainly going to Canada many a time. 1:38:35.040 --> 1:38:38.400 What stuns me in Canada is everybody knows everybody, okay, 1:38:39.040 --> 1:38:40.960 and it's like a high school and if you raise 1:38:41.040 --> 1:38:44.280 your head too high, they want to tear you down, etcetera. 1:38:44.720 --> 1:38:48.320 But where is Canada's place in the world market today? 1:38:48.640 --> 1:38:51.360 And what is the difference between Canada and it certainly 1:38:51.439 --> 1:38:54.760 United States? Well, the different the difference in Canada is 1:38:55.240 --> 1:38:57.280 I think his status probably the top five countries and 1:38:57.360 --> 1:38:58.840 people want to break I think that's one of the 1:38:58.920 --> 1:39:03.759 top five countries. Um as far as as far as musically, 1:39:04.960 --> 1:39:07.000 I think we're trying to find our way again, okay, 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:08.880 but there has been some stuff out of here. You 1:39:08.960 --> 1:39:15.120 stand there and say, oh, Drake, um Bieber. Oh what's 1:39:15.120 --> 1:39:19.960 the kid's name? Sean Mendez? Oh boy Weekend? Who come on? Man? 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:22.200 That Toronto seems really booming now. Used to be all 1:39:22.200 --> 1:39:25.160 out of the west. Okay, the Toronto guys stayed in Toronto. 1:39:25.160 --> 1:39:26.760 They can run around the Golden Triangle out there and 1:39:26.800 --> 1:39:28.120 to make money. They didn't have to go with me. 1:39:28.240 --> 1:39:31.000 I had my next stop after Vancouver was Calgary. Seattle 1:39:31.120 --> 1:39:33.120 was closer. So I mean, you know, I I try 1:39:33.200 --> 1:39:35.840 to I work north south. Those guys are used to 1:39:35.920 --> 1:39:38.520 working back there for the longest time, just in that triangle. 1:39:38.920 --> 1:39:41.760 But those guys, those people behind those acts, they've done 1:39:41.760 --> 1:39:43.840 a great job. And I think I think Canada has 1:39:44.080 --> 1:39:46.200 got a place in the map. I remember there's three 1:39:46.280 --> 1:39:49.840 songs on the top five in the were Canadian. Okay, 1:39:49.880 --> 1:39:52.080 you sing Celindy on you're throwing some of these people, 1:39:52.479 --> 1:39:57.599 you know. I mean, it's it's it's a booming music country. Really, 1:39:57.880 --> 1:40:00.760 there's just not enough people here to sustain you know 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:03.920 that there's not enough. You can't sell enough here. It's 1:40:04.040 --> 1:40:05.680 but it's it's a great I mean, I know you 1:40:05.800 --> 1:40:08.599 enjoy yourself when you come up here. You know, people 1:40:08.600 --> 1:40:10.240 talk about Canada and they talk about the health and 1:40:10.320 --> 1:40:12.479 I moved to Canada in a minute. I mean, it's 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:15.160 like it's a better life than living in the United States. 1:40:15.280 --> 1:40:17.639 The people just haven't been there. I mean, that's typical Americans. 1:40:17.680 --> 1:40:19.880 They haven't been outside of the United States, never mind 1:40:19.960 --> 1:40:23.600 just into Canada. But speaking of the United States, you know, 1:40:23.720 --> 1:40:26.520 there are a lot of people up north who were snowbirds. 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:29.640 You you are a little bit different. You have a 1:40:29.720 --> 1:40:32.439 place in the South, but not in Florida and not 1:40:32.600 --> 1:40:35.000 in Arizona. Can you just tell us a little bit. 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:37.240 I have a place in Las Vegas. And the reason 1:40:37.320 --> 1:40:40.720 I have a place in Las Vegas is I just 1:40:40.800 --> 1:40:42.240 need I thought I should. It's the right thing to do. 1:40:42.920 --> 1:40:44.640 A big fight fan. I go to the fights a 1:40:44.720 --> 1:40:48.960 lot down there. Uh my girlfriend, the photographers, she likes 1:40:49.000 --> 1:40:51.200 to go out there and and take pictures in that 1:40:51.320 --> 1:40:54.600 area and stuff like that. And but basically when I 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:57.960 went to she sat there, we looked around, did the 1:40:58.000 --> 1:41:01.360 typical Vancouver thing. Let's go to home. Why we'll get 1:41:01.400 --> 1:41:02.840 a place in a way. Everybody's got a place in 1:41:02.840 --> 1:41:05.519 a way. Okay. We went over there ten o'clock at night. 1:41:05.520 --> 1:41:08.599 I didn't know what to do. Okay, Okay, then she said, 1:41:08.840 --> 1:41:12.200 let's go okay, let's try Palm Springs. Palm Space for 1:41:12.280 --> 1:41:15.559 me is for old people, okay, and I'm old. Actually 1:41:15.560 --> 1:41:17.760 I shouldn't even say that. But there's nothing happening there either, 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:20.120 and I don't go. Okay. So then we tried Phoenix. 1:41:20.240 --> 1:41:22.920 This is what Canadians do. So I went to Phoenix 1:41:23.000 --> 1:41:26.519 and I didn't like it. Then she said, why don't 1:41:26.520 --> 1:41:28.120 we try Las Vegas? And I know she had to 1:41:28.160 --> 1:41:30.439 grit her teeth and say, why don't we try Las Vegas. 1:41:31.040 --> 1:41:34.639 I went up to Las Vegas and Dr Paul Anko 1:41:34.680 --> 1:41:36.960 who guided me through where the livers or stuff like that, 1:41:37.120 --> 1:41:39.960 and uh, ended up in Las Vegas. And I love 1:41:40.000 --> 1:41:43.600 going to Las Vegas. Okay, great, great, great, great restaurants, 1:41:43.800 --> 1:41:45.479 lots to go on, and got a hockey team there. Now, 1:41:45.479 --> 1:41:46.920 I mean they're coming to me now. They got a 1:41:46.960 --> 1:41:48.960 hockey team there. Now, they got pro football there. Now, 1:41:49.240 --> 1:41:51.360 I mean, why would you not live in Las Vegas. 1:41:51.400 --> 1:41:53.439 I I look at people live in California, say, wait 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:55.000 a minute, you're paying this kind of taxes. Why you 1:41:55.120 --> 1:41:57.639 drive across the border and live in Las Vegas? Everything 1:41:57.720 --> 1:41:59.360 is there. They got just as good restaurants as you've 1:41:59.360 --> 1:42:03.240 got in Los Angeles, California. How often you're there pre COVID. 1:42:03.360 --> 1:42:05.000 I'm not there now. I haven't been there since March. 1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:07.639 But I tried to hit. I tried to hit about 1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:09.400 sixty days a year. And here's the other thing about 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:13.040 Las Vegas, Palm Sphinx doesn't happen is Phoenix, Las Vegas 1:42:13.080 --> 1:42:16.519 and Southwest Airlines is direct. Las Vegas as a city 1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:20.240 is direct anywhere, NonStop to London, nonstopped to Germany. Right, Okay, 1:42:20.680 --> 1:42:25.240 perfect for me. It's a business decision. So Bruce, we 1:42:25.400 --> 1:42:27.519 certainly know you're a man of opinions and you're not 1:42:27.640 --> 1:42:30.760 afraid to express them, and you certainly have done that 1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:34.360 on the radio in Vancouver for years and years. What 1:42:34.640 --> 1:42:37.120 is your take on the world situation? For those people 1:42:37.120 --> 1:42:41.439 who don't know, Certainly we have we have an election 1:42:41.520 --> 1:42:43.200 going on right now. As we do this, we don't 1:42:43.280 --> 1:42:47.839 know the exact results. Let's not talk about those right now. However, 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:53.040 the US has moved towards the right, Canada has always 1:42:53.240 --> 1:42:57.679 started much further to the left front than the United States. 1:42:57.880 --> 1:43:00.960 What is your take on politics in the world today? Well, 1:43:01.000 --> 1:43:03.200 I said there's a lot, there's a lot of we 1:43:03.240 --> 1:43:05.240 see it above. A lot of populist politics going on 1:43:05.280 --> 1:43:07.560 in a lot of places, um, you know in America's 1:43:07.560 --> 1:43:10.120 of course one of them, with a lot with Trump 1:43:10.200 --> 1:43:13.600 in there. Um. But there's also I think what I 1:43:13.720 --> 1:43:17.400 find more most interesting is young people getting involved in 1:43:17.520 --> 1:43:20.960 politics now and actually making some changes. Okay, the youth 1:43:21.280 --> 1:43:23.479 are gonna have to be are going to be served again, 1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:27.479 you know. I got I watched the uh Chicago seven 1:43:27.840 --> 1:43:33.360 movie and that I think, Bob, is that right? Okay? 1:43:33.360 --> 1:43:35.240 And I watched that movie and I sat there and 1:43:35.240 --> 1:43:36.880 I said to my girl, said, that's the last time 1:43:36.960 --> 1:43:39.920 that I ever saw protests work in the United States. 1:43:40.240 --> 1:43:42.120 And I said, Plus, I said, the music that came 1:43:42.160 --> 1:43:44.720 out of there was unbelievable. Some girl gets shot in 1:43:44.800 --> 1:43:46.680 Kent State, and and and and this guy's got a 1:43:46.840 --> 1:43:48.360 song on the radio about it five days, you know 1:43:48.360 --> 1:43:50.519 what I mean. I mean, music was really involved in 1:43:50.600 --> 1:43:53.479 that stuff. And Uh, I think that I think the 1:43:53.560 --> 1:43:55.360 future lies with the young people. I really do. I 1:43:55.400 --> 1:43:57.240 think they're going to clean up the environment. You know, 1:43:57.280 --> 1:44:00.680 they're there. They're not gonna have the same arguments that 1:44:00.760 --> 1:44:05.080 we our generation has right now, and it's it's disappointing 1:44:05.160 --> 1:44:08.160 to me, So you're still as excited as you always were. 1:44:08.400 --> 1:44:11.280 Yeah about the business in life. I make business of 1:44:11.400 --> 1:44:15.080 life or the business of the business, business and life. Well, 1:44:15.560 --> 1:44:20.160 I'm I'm stone, col healthy, touch wood, Okay I am, 1:44:20.600 --> 1:44:22.200 and uh I'm going to the gym now more and 1:44:22.280 --> 1:44:24.559 they ever do do because you know what, COVID drove 1:44:24.600 --> 1:44:26.640 me to the gym. Okay, I'm on the road all 1:44:26.640 --> 1:44:28.000 the time. Now I'm going to the gym three times 1:44:28.000 --> 1:44:29.439 a week for the trainer. I can't believe it how 1:44:29.439 --> 1:44:32.439 it's changed me. Okay, I'm eating better. Okay, So I 1:44:32.800 --> 1:44:34.240 this is the kind of COVID worked for me for 1:44:34.320 --> 1:44:38.439 that and uh, I think that UH as excited. I mean, 1:44:38.920 --> 1:44:41.040 I sit there. I know I said it five times 1:44:41.080 --> 1:44:44.439 to you today. The jan Arden project for me has 1:44:44.439 --> 1:44:46.880 been wonderful to watch that happen. Okay, And and I 1:44:47.000 --> 1:44:49.400 hope that there will be other things that that I'll 1:44:49.400 --> 1:44:51.160 be doing happen. I got some pretty cool things coming 1:44:51.200 --> 1:44:54.040 with bou bleg that they're different for me, just different. 1:44:54.080 --> 1:44:56.559 I'm learning and that's great if I can keep learning 1:44:57.120 --> 1:45:00.160 because I've done you know, people say to me, what 1:45:00.400 --> 1:45:02.680 what do you what do you have to prove You've 1:45:02.720 --> 1:45:04.679 done everything I want. Why are you go? Enjoy yourself? 1:45:05.680 --> 1:45:07.840 And I enjoyed myself sitting here. Thank you very much. 1:45:09.640 --> 1:45:12.760 And on that note, Bruce, thanks so much for doing this. 1:45:12.920 --> 1:45:14.800 You know we skimmed the top. We could go on 1:45:14.960 --> 1:45:18.080 for days. You're a fountain of information and knowledge, and 1:45:18.240 --> 1:45:20.479 thanks so much for doing this. Thank you, Bob, enjoy 1:45:20.560 --> 1:45:22.120 to enjoy the hell over it. Next time? Do I 1:45:22.160 --> 1:45:23.240 want to have all my albums in front of me 1:45:23.320 --> 1:45:28.479 so I get the goddamn peats right? Okay, until next time. 1:45:28.600 --> 1:45:29.840 This is Bob left sense