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On this episode of New World, he has 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: been called this generation's finest writer of international intrigue on 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: one of the greatest American spy novelists ever. I'm pleased 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: to welcome as my guest today Daniel Silva, the number 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: one New York Times bestselling author of twenty two books. 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: His latest novel, The New Girl, is filled with dark humor, 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: breathtaking twist to plot, and an unforgettable cast of characters. 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: The New Girl is both a thrilling, page turning tale 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: of entertainment and a sophisticated study of political alliances and 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: great power rivalries in a dangerous world. And it is 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: once again proof the Gabriel Alan is one of fiction's 27 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: greatest spies. Daniel Silva is quite simply the best writer 28 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: of foreign intrigue and suspense at work today. The New 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Girl just released this week and is available in bookstores now. 30 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: I gi get so totally sucked in. I read your 31 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: books the way some people will say would watch a movie, 32 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: because I can feel it. I can feel the characters, 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: I can feel the relationships. And so I have to 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: start with one book on World War Two, and then 35 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: suddenly you found Gabriel a lot. Can you describe a 36 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: little of that early sequencing. The sequence then was that, actually, 37 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: the World War two book was my first novel, and 38 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: I wrote that manuscript while I was working at CNN. 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: And you probably don't remember, but you and I used 40 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: to bump into each other back in the old days. 41 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: After I published that novel in the winter of ninety six, 42 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: you and I actually had a brief but wonderful conversation 43 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: about it on the set of a CNN program I 44 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: was producing at the time. And then I did write 45 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: a couple of CIA based thrillers that I followed up 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: with that first book. Of them did deal with Northern 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: Ireland and the Good Friday Accords that were taking place 48 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: at that time. And then my fourth novel was the 49 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: first Gabriel Lawton novel. I wrote it in two thousand 50 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: against the backdrop of the Camp David negotiations under Clinton, 51 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: and it was in that period where the CIA was 52 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: sort of in this nether region casting around for a 53 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: mission and for adversaries. I didn't know that less than 54 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: a year after that first book was published nine to eleven, 55 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: what happened. But in the Israeli Palestinian conflict, I found 56 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: some material that just really set me on fire. And 57 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: I had worked in the Middle East as it corresponded, 58 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: and was sort of an amateur historian of the conflict, 59 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: and I just loved that first book. Curiously enough, when 60 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: I first started working on that book, Game it was 61 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: a minor character in that novel. He took over that 62 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: book and went on to become a continuing character, which 63 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: he was not supposed to be. He was supposed to 64 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: appear in one book in one So it was just 65 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: a gradual creative process that turned Gabriel into a major 66 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: character and then a continuing character. You don't just invent 67 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: a character. You have an assassin. And I always think 68 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: of the whole effort after Munich to go out and 69 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: hunt down the Palestinians who killed the Israeli athletes at 70 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: the Olympics. So you have somebody who is an avenger 71 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: in a sense, but he's an art restorer. Now how 72 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: do you possibly put together? I mean, we're in your 73 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: own brain. Did you have this synaptic moment of going, oh, yeah, 74 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: obviously he ought to be an art restorer. As he 75 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: grew in importance in the early stages of the writing 76 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: of that novel, I decided that I wanted to give 77 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: him a cover job that really defined him, and that 78 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: perhaps his cover job might even be more important to 79 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: his character than what he does for Israeli intelligence. I 80 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: had created a little character, Jean Paul de Laroche, Russian 81 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: assassin who was a watercolorist in his spare time, and 82 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: I think that looking back on it, it wasn't something 83 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: that I consciously thought of at the time, But I 84 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: think that that character that appeared in my second and 85 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: third novels probably sort of a charcoal sketch of Gabriel Lan. 86 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: And as I was working on the book, I had 87 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: dinner one night with a friend of mine who truly 88 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: is one of the world's finest art restorers. I got 89 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: the inspiration from him, just my friendship with him, that 90 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I think my character should do what 91 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 1: you do. And I asked him to help me turn 92 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: an Israeli assassin into an Italian art restore, which was 93 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: what Gabriel's cover was. He was just a fluent Italian speaker. 94 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: So it went about the process of how do you 95 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: turn a kid from the Valley of Jezreel in Israel 96 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: and how do you turn him into an Italian art restore. 97 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: And that's the magic of the Gabriel long character. He 98 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: has two different people. You've gotten so far inside me 99 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: that recently, when Callis and I were visiting Venice, I 100 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: kept thinking I should go and see the church in 101 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: which he's been restoring things. I do it all the time. 102 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: Abed has left a lot of beautifully restored paintings behind 103 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: in Venice, and some of his most important work has 104 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: taken place right there where you are in Rome. As 105 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: both an assassin and as readers of the series know, 106 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: he formed a very close relationship with my fictitious pope, 107 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: Pope Paul the seventh and his private secretary Luigi Sanati. 108 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: So Gabriel has had this intriguing relationship with the Vatican 109 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: throughout his later career, and in fact, I'm exploring that 110 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: in my next novel that's out next summer. I don't 111 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: often speak about unwritten work, but I'm toying with a 112 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: Vatican based thriller right now for my next book to 113 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: sum eastand Year. Paul the Seventh has some parallels with 114 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: folk in my version of the Church, the church that 115 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: exists in the parallel universe of gabriel Lawn, there was 116 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: no Benedict and no frances So those two papacies have 117 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: been depicted by Paul the Seventh sort of a traditionalist 118 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: reformer who's been trying to keep things together over there, 119 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of momentous things have happened during his papacy, 120 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: including an al Qaeda terrorist attack on the Vatican that's 121 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: severely damaged the Basilica. So it's been momentous in many 122 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: different respects. Gabriel has been very close to that pope. 123 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: You know. One of these I was struck with. You 124 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: wrote a novel in which you're opening two or three 125 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: chapters are on anti Semitism in France, and it was 126 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: so chilling. I think the novel came out just a 127 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: few months before the killings at the nightclub. I told 128 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: everybody I could find that they had to read that opening, 129 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: because you captured the current situation better than anything I've read. 130 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: I've been fortunate enough to spend a lot of time 131 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: in France and to spend a lot of time sort 132 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: of inside the Jewish community. It's something that I've written 133 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: about here and there throughout the Alon series, and I 134 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: guess that the crisis right now in terms of France 135 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: and the Jewish community and the threat that that community 136 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: is facing, it says something that I had a sense of. 137 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: I think I was a bit ahead of the curve 138 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: on that. I don't know if you saw the survey 139 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: that was published just a few days ago, and I 140 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: think about half of Jews in Europe have considered emigrating. 141 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: That is how bad situation is France is the epicenter. 142 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: Although Germany is doing its best to make life miserable 143 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: for the Jews, the situation facing the Jews of Germany 144 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: right now is pretty severe. And I have to say 145 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: that when I wrote the beginning of The Black Widow 146 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: and then the attack happened, I almost set that book 147 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: aside because what I had written was so very, very 148 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: close to the actual attacks of November twenty fifteen, including 149 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: the link to Molin back in Brussels, that I almost 150 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: set that manuscript aside, and I decided to finish it 151 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: as written. I would say to anybody who asked me 152 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: how to best understand the decay that's underway in Europe, 153 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: that the opening chapters of The Black Widow are as 154 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: good as anything you're going to read. While that may 155 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: be part of a novel, it is a sadly long 156 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: way from being fiction. Well, you lived there on and 157 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: off now, and you are seeing and experiencing what I've 158 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: seen in the last twenty years of frequent travelty Europe 159 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: and extended periods spent their writing that to a combination 160 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: of factors, European countries are really tearing themselves apart. In 161 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: many respects. Europe is certainly an interesting place to write 162 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: about right now. 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Enjoy 187 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: these two heartwarming movies for US animal lovers. Go to 188 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: Delta Rescue dot org slash newt. That's Delta Rescue dot 189 00:11:50,440 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: org slash n e WT. One of the things I've noticed, 190 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: you went to a period where the clear dominant threat 191 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: was in one form or another Islamist terrorists. Then gradually 192 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: I noticed the emergence of the Russians. How did that 193 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: transition occur in your own mind? While I write a 194 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: book a year, so I'm always thinking about storylines and 195 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: inspiration for the series. But in terms of when I 196 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: began writing about the Russians as neo villains, was a 197 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: book probably several years ago called Moscow Rules. It was 198 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: inspired by a month long trip that I took to 199 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: Russia to write and research. I became convinced at that 200 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: point that the Russia that was emerging under Vladimir Putin 201 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: was not interested in being an ally of the West. 202 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: It was an authoritarian state. It was a deeply corrupt 203 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: story focused really heavily on Putin's treatment of journalists at 204 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: the time, in a fictional way, but in a personal 205 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: way as well. I came to the conclusion Russia was 206 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: going to be a long term adversarian problem for the West. 207 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: That story created the circumstances by which Gabriel Lan entered 208 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: into a basically a long duel with Putin and the 209 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: Russian regime. It was fascinating me and I could I 210 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: could sense that now the Russians were re emerging after 211 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: basically a fifteen year interlude, And I was reminded when 212 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: I was on a congressional delegation trip. I think it 213 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: was in ninety three. Yelson was the president and we 214 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: met with the vice president, who had been a Soviet 215 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: Air Force general, and the room we met in had 216 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: this twenty five ft long and one side one wall 217 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: was a map of the old Siviet Union. I said 218 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: to him in passing, that's the old Silviet Union. And 219 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: his response was yes, and it will be like that again. 220 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Okay, this may be a temporary friendship. 221 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin believes the same thing, and it might not 222 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: be contiguous Russia, that all the old republics, that he 223 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: might redraw the borders once again and reclaim on that land. 224 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that's ever going to happen, but one 225 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: by one, those old Soviet republics they are tilting Moscow's way, 226 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: and he's set about very methodically and ruthlessly to make 227 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: that happen. And that has provided me with the inspiration 228 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: and the setting for a lot of great stories. That 229 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I don't take it seriously. I give 230 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: myself a lot of leeway and fictional license when I'm 231 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: writing my books. But count me among one of Putin's 232 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: biggest critics. I think that he is a long term 233 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: threat to the interests of the United States. He does 234 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: not want to be our ally, we are ramping up 235 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: something that seems to me to be a new Cold War. 236 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: There was news out of Europe this week about new 237 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: missile systems and things like that, and I expect the 238 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: situation to get much worse before it gets better. I 239 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: kept telling people, this is a trained KGB agent who 240 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: is used to torturing and killing people. What do you 241 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: think he's going to be like? And his basic support group, 242 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: our former KGB people, men of the security services really 243 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: run Russia. It is a KGB state. That's exactly right. 244 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,479 Speaker 1: Will be interesting to figure out what's the right language 245 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: to describe what is essentially a corrupt KGB dominated torture 246 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: and killing system which has now seized control of a 247 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: giant country. By the way, I'm sure you saw the 248 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: Pentagon Defense assessment that the most worrisome trend right now 249 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: is this blossoming alliance between Russia and China. And this 250 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: is something that I tory with in the new novel. 251 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: These are two incredibly powerful countries that they might join 252 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: forces to dominate the Eurasian land mass. The Iranians, the 253 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: ancient Persians are sort of already part of the possibilities. 254 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: For what this means for the West is pretty scary. Actually. 255 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: You see it in Venezuela, where there's a Russian, Chinese, 256 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: Iranian coalition propping up the dictatorship. I've told people consistently 257 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: now that when Jiji and Pang said recently that he 258 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: had met thirty times with Putin in the last three years. 259 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: Thirty times. Right, it's shocking. He's telling you something. I 260 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: think our planning should assume that we are going to 261 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: have to deal with, whether militarily or otherwise, a Russian 262 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: Chinese alliance. I don't see any way out of it. 263 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: I don't know that we can get to a place 264 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: where we are prepared to deal with a joint military 265 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: threat from those two powers. That is a daunting prospect. 266 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: That may be a necessary prospect. Well, this is what 267 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: I write about in the new book. If you're a 268 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: ruler in the Arab world right now, and you see 269 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: the United States growing weary of the region, anxious to 270 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: put the region and its problems in our rear view 271 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: mirror and turn to problems at home. The Russians are 272 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: making tremendous strides in the Middle East right now, so 273 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: are the Chinese and our ally. Israel is going to 274 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: have an interesting future, that's for sure. Well, But of 275 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: course that may also be one of the examples for 276 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: us to think about. Because the Israeli ability to maneuver 277 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: and to develop and to focus talent and resources has 278 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: been unimaginable. We may have to meet the same standard. 279 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: Next we'll discuss the real life people who inspired the 280 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: fictional characters in Silva's new novel, The New Girl. I 281 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: must say you had me going in The New Girl 282 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: because as I was reading and I kept thinking what 283 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: is the next twist? And you managed to put together 284 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: several dramatic jumps that I frankly would not have projected. 285 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: But one of the characters that is the most fascinating 286 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: is Shameron and the whole notion of this guy who 287 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: is still around but who is in many ways the 288 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: spiritual godfather of the entire intelligence agency in Israel. How 289 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: did you develop him? Well, I took three legendary Israeli 290 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: figures and very ruthlessly combined them into Ari Shamrone. I 291 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: took something from this one, something from this one, So 292 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: that accounts for his professional provenance once he just started speaking. 293 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: Someone who escaped the Holocausts, came to Palestine as a child, 294 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: fought to create a country, helped to build a country. 295 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: I mean, goodness, gracious, the lives that these men and 296 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: women lead are so extraordinary that when you describe what 297 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: they did and what they accomplished, their time on Earth. 298 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: It's just extraordinary. And Ari Shamrone is by no means 299 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: a perfect person, but he has seen things that no 300 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: other human being has seen before. He represents the great 301 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: sweep of history, and he just sort of has that 302 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: voice of God quality when he speaks. And he is 303 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: by far the most important character in the series. That's 304 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: what struck me. I must say, I thought at least 305 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of Arrel Sharon, just in physical build 306 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: and toughness are He is quite slender. Actually, he comes 307 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: across as a big guy, but he's quite small. He 308 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: has large arms and hands, and that is why he 309 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: was utilized in the kidnapping capture of Adolf Eichman in Argentina. 310 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: He's just a kind of a small, nothing looking guy 311 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: that has very powerful arms and hands. And I borrow 312 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: that trait from someone and gave that Tari Chamron as well. 313 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: Like many people who work at Israeli intelligence, you would 314 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: never suspect that's just one of the things that he did. 315 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: I always thought that he was, in many ways the 316 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: central figure who holds the ethos together. Yes, he knows 317 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: more than anyone else. He comes in at key junctures 318 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: in the novel to impart necessary information and contexts and guidance. 319 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: He is sort of one of those classic literary figures 320 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: to move the story along, to inject certain passion into 321 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: the story. One of the things you did with this 322 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: particular book is you moved us into a relationship with 323 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: an optimistic version of Saudi Arabia. And you must have 324 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: felt a little conflicted, you know. I've been wanting to 325 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: write a novel about the burgeoning Israeli Saudi relationship, about 326 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 1: a character like Muhammad bin Salmon. I started working on 327 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: this book last summer. I started writing it in August. 328 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: By early October, I had a couple hundred pages of 329 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: this story, and I see this news item that a 330 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: contributing all in this for the Washington Posts had gone missing. 331 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: And within a couple of days it was clear what 332 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: had happened, and I had to take that entire manuscript 333 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: that I had spent two and a half months writing 334 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: and throw it out and start over for a deadline 335 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: that was rapidly approaching. I did not look up from 336 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: my desk for three and a half months and wrote 337 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: The New Girl in a matt dash, trying to catch 338 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: lightning in the bottle. This amazing Shakespearean story that unfolded 339 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: before our eyes in these last few months. It was 340 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: not the book I wanted to write. I wanted to 341 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: write about someone who was going to change Saudi Arabia, 342 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: even though I was always rather dubious about MBS and 343 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: the prospects for him actually being successful. I was intrigued 344 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: by the character. How could you not be? And I 345 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: am intrigued to by his enormous fall from grace and 346 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: what it means for us. If you go back to 347 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: the very beginning of the series, the world's actually grown 348 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: substantially more dangerous over the last fifteen years. There are 349 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: more points of threat. You can imagine reaching out for 350 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: your next novel in a remarkable number of directions, and 351 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: having somebody as an accurate, real threat to everything we 352 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: believe in. If you look at the Alon series inhabits 353 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: a parallel universe, it's slightly off from this one. I 354 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: really sort of have chronicled this emerging global fret and chaos. 355 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: I started writing Gabriel in two thousand. It is now 356 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: two nineteen, and the series has moved chronologically and roughly 357 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: in sync with the calendar in this world, and as 358 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: a result, I've kind of put together a history of 359 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: the early years of the twenty first century, the rise 360 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: and fall of al Qaeda, emergence of Isis, the emergence 361 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: of Russia, emerging trends in the Middle East, all kinds 362 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: of different things. And I would add to that the 363 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: frame of the Old Atlantic Alliance of European societies. All 364 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: this has been very accurately chronicled throughout the series. I'm 365 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: intrigued just with how your mind works. You decide at 366 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: one point that you need to take a detour to 367 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: Corsica and introduce sort of a parallel to Gabriel. How 368 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: did that happen? Well, Christopher Keller appeared in the second 369 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: Gabriel Alon novel. He was one of the favorite characters 370 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: I ever created, and he sat there unused. Ten years 371 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: went by between his first appearance and his second appearance. 372 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: His second appearance was so successful, their partnership was so 373 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: successful and so much fun to write that I just 374 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: couldn't stop writing about the guy. And I think that 375 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: there's a little reminder to listeners. Christopher Keller was hired 376 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: to kill Gabriel Alan and the first novel that he 377 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: appeared in, and they are now the best of friends, 378 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: and that's sort of a theme of the Alon series. 379 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: Gabriel restores not just paintings but people, and Christopher Keller 380 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: is one of his restoration projects. When we first meet 381 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: Christopher Keller in two thousand and two, he has a 382 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: professional hit man working for a Corsican crime family, and 383 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: he's now and my sixth Officer based in London. In 384 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: the earlier books, you do a marvelous job of evoking. 385 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: Of course, did you spend much time there? Not a 386 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: ton of time. People always ask me how do you 387 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: do it? And it's just the novelist's trick, And the 388 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: important thing to remember is take in what you need 389 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: to take in, throw away what you don't need, keep 390 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: what you want to use, and ate your own world. 391 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: One of the other things you do you link history together. 392 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that was fascinating was 393 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: that the New Girl wasn't the New Girl I expected 394 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: when I began The New Girl. You have managed to 395 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: remind us in a very elegant way about the history 396 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: of the British having people who actually are spying for 397 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: the other team. I'm pretty sure that am I six 398 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: is more secure than I have portrayed it in the 399 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: last couple of books. You've created this whole family that 400 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: moves through the books, and it's easy to fall in 401 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: love with them and really look forward to each one 402 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: of them and being reacquainted each year with them. Well, 403 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: I think the family of characters approach that I adopted 404 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: for the series. These are works of commercial fiction, and 405 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: the interior lives of a number of different characters play 406 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: a critical role in the series, and that when you 407 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: pick up an Alan book, you spend a little bit 408 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: of time with the villains, you spend most of the 409 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: time with the good guys, and I think that's been 410 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: critical to the success of the series. Did you talk 411 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: just a little bit about the mechanics of how Daniel 412 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: Silver produces a novel. Once I start working on a novel, 413 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: I write seven days a week. I find days off, 414 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: sometimes a day off as necessary for an emergency or 415 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: a travel day or something. I find it very, very 416 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: disruptive to take even a single day off. I tend 417 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: to start my day in longhand and at a certain 418 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: point I will take several pages of handwritten material over 419 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 1: to the computer and start writing that way. But I 420 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: do love writing in longhand still my calendar is such 421 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: that I will do some work in the summer months 422 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: before and after my book tour, but Labor Day is 423 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: really my real starting gun. I have to hand in 424 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: a book on April first. It's not as much time 425 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: as I would prefer. I've been able to manage on 426 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: this schedule for many years that I published basically the 427 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: same day, the second Tuesday of July every year, and 428 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: so I have to be honest. I don't do much 429 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: else other than write and research and read. I get 430 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: a little auntsie if I don't have a book in 431 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: my briefcase or a book in my hand. So I 432 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: live a rather quiet writerly life. The best way to 433 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: describe it is that I'm either writing a book or 434 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: reading one. Generally, that's how I spent my day here 435 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: in Washington, just to have a wonderful circle of friends 436 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: that have something of a salon and our place, and 437 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: really think deeply about the issues that I write about 438 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: and talk about it with people who are actually involved 439 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: in it. One of the things that I did with 440 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: this book is I was obviously focused on Saudi Arabia 441 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: intensely this year. What does this mean for us? What 442 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: is the MBS's fall from Grace and what are the 443 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: right policy decisions for the United States? How best should 444 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: we respond to this? And all that came out in 445 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: The New Girl. This has really been fun. I think 446 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: we could do a couple of more hours. He would die. 447 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, dude. Thank you to my guest 448 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: Daniel Silva. You can read an excerpt of The New 449 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: Girl and find out more about Silva's current book tour 450 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: on our showpage at newtsworld dot com. Newtsworld is produced 451 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: by Westwood One. 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And give us 461 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: a review so others can learn what it's all about. 462 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: On the next episode of Newsworld, Abraham Lincoln led the 463 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: nation through the Civil War, preserved the Union, and abolished slavery. 464 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: As the sixteenth President of the United States, he served 465 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: from eighteen sixty one until his assassination in April eighteen 466 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: sixty five. We'll explore more of Lincoln's life in the 467 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: next The Immortal series. I'm Newt Gingrich. This is News World, 468 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: the Westwood One podcast network.