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Speaker 1: Here we go. The Super Bowl is set. What a broadcast,

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Speaker 1: What a game? What an unbelievable journey for Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 1: We are live in Chicago. It's The Herd. Wherever you

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Speaker 1: may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making

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Speaker 1: us a lot of choices out there part of our day. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm happy slinging Sammy d in a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Say that ten times, say it one hundred times. Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnald proved two things. Number one, everybody takes a different path.

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Speaker 1: Some kids get great parents, some kids get the New

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Speaker 1: And the second thing, if you believe in yourself, don't

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Speaker 1: listen to the noise, don't listen to the doubters. Donald

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Speaker 1: never stopped believing in himself and until that game officially ended.

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Speaker 1: Ninety percent of people in this country sports fan still

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Speaker 1: didn't think Sam Donald super Bowl sounded right. But he's

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Speaker 1: a perfect fit for this franchise. He's young, he's athletic,

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Speaker 1: he takes swings, he's a risk taker. He's tough, playing

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Speaker 1: with an oblique where it hurt on every throw. Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnald is the Seahawks a little bit at times, reckless,

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Speaker 1: super talented, athletic. Tom Brady had a great way of

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Speaker 1: describing Donald. He's more explosive than surgical. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I would say about the Seahawks optional teams yesterday and

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Speaker 1: two exceptional quarterbacks, but maybe most impressive on the biggest

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Speaker 1: down in football, third down. You got about fifteen to

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Speaker 1: those a game, and Matt Stafford was unbelievable yesterday, but

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Speaker 1: on third it wasn't close. Darnald had one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty two passer rating six for nine, brilliant. Maybe he's

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Speaker 1: not surgical. He was on third down and Stafford was

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Speaker 1: zero for six. Most impressive though to me, and everybody

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Speaker 1: knew this in the locker room in Seattle. They were

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Speaker 1: missing Zach Charbonne had a good running back and the

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Speaker 1: Rams defensive front is a lot more talented than the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks offensive line. So Darnald was gonna have to carry

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks yesterday. And that's exactly what he did beyond

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Speaker 1: third down against a strong pass rush and Chris Shula

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Speaker 1: considered one of the smart defensive coordinators in football, talent everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Sam threw for three hundred and forty six yards, had

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty eight. Passer rating was twenty five

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Speaker 1: of thirty six, and for the third straight game, no interceptions,

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Speaker 1: no turnovers. Sam isn't too reckless. Sam at times is

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Speaker 1: more explosive and dynamic than surgical. His journey has a

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Speaker 1: little Christopher Columbus to it. Five teams, five coaches, five

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Speaker 1: and he's still only twenty eight years old. The general

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I was testing John Snyder,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks GM. He said, God, I love Sam. Why

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Speaker 1: do people just bash him so much? And the answer,

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Speaker 1: of course is it's so much easier to pile on.

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Speaker 1: That's what the internet is, right, It's just so much

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Speaker 1: to join the avalanche and pile on people and quit

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Speaker 1: on people. It's much harder to grab a shovel and

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Speaker 1: support people who had a bumpy first few years in

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Speaker 1: any business. And that was Darnald. Two reckless became three

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Speaker 1: straight games with no turnovers. But until it was over,

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Speaker 1: nobody believed it was possible. And how poetic is it

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Speaker 1: that he did it. He had the best game of

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Speaker 1: and the one defensive coordinator. Again, say it ten times,

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Speaker 3: After can't talk about the game, They'll talking about our quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he just shut a lot of people up tonight.

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Speaker 3: So I'm really happy for him. Every time they went

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Speaker 3: I barely practiced all week. You know, I'm just really

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Speaker 3: happy for him. He deserves it. I'm happy to be

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Speaker 4: Man, This group and this coaching staff is just you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm really happy to be here, happy to be in

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Speaker 1: For the record, let's go back to the draft class

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Speaker 1: that Sam Darnald was involved in. It included Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: is the number one pick, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnald from this point forward, at least on our show,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen will be known not as the Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: draft class, as the Sam Donald draft class. The first

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Speaker 1: guy to get to a Super Bowl. When you look

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Speaker 1: you look at this young roster, he's not going anywhere

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Now, let's go to the JV game.

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Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of Moms more than mother Nature.

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Speaker 1: But despite the unplayable blizzard in the second half in Denver,

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Speaker 1: New England was the better team and they have been

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Speaker 1: really all year. They never lost a road game, and

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Speaker 1: that's because coaching travels SODA's toughness and defense. They didn't

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Speaker 1: lose a road game. Mike Vrabel's teams yesterday in a blizzard,

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Speaker 1: and key spots in absolutely ridiculous weather. These teams, Seattle

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Speaker 1: and New England are actually very similar quarterbacks and Drake

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Speaker 1: May and Sam Darnold that move well and love to

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Speaker 1: attack downfield. No dink and dunk guys. Here to excellent

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Speaker 1: defensive head coaches top five defenses, both unbelievably good on

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Speaker 1: the road, but also so much of the NFL is ownership.

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Speaker 1: Robert Kraft had to make two really tough decisions. He

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Speaker 1: had to fire Bill Belichick, considered the great greatest football

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Speaker 1: That's rough. You have to admit you're wrong, and he did.

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Speaker 1: And if he doesn't do that, he doesn't get Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 1: Vrabel talked about Drake May as quarterback in August. Camp

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Speaker 1: telling Drake May in August. Leadership is every day, not

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Speaker 1: just today, Drake May against excellent defenses. It's the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: it's the Texans, it's the Broncos. And now he'll face

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Speaker 1: another in Seattle, but at least there'll be no blizzard

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Speaker 1: they were the better football team. No turnovers, one penalty,

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Speaker 5: I can't tell you how proud I am to be

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Speaker 5: associated with these guys and this organization. I want to

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Speaker 5: thank Robert and Jonathan. Love our quarterback. I love our

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Speaker 2: I'm a lucky head coach.

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Speaker 1: Matt hassel Beck and Drew Brees both stop by today.

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Speaker 1: I don't want this to get lost on everybody. What

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Speaker 1: is that the eleventh Super Bowl for Robert Kraft? There

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Speaker 1: are four teams that have never four franchises never made

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But it's really hard to do that.

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Speaker 1: Fire Bill Belichick looks easy now, but the line in

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Speaker 1: New England for years was in Bill we trust, and

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Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel took a year off coaching, sort of waiting

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Speaker 1: I think the two teams for the record, the two

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Speaker 1: won the Seattle Seahawks. Two athletic, young, aggressive quarterbacks who

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Speaker 1: at home in crucial situations, excellent defenses, defensive coaches. Finally

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Speaker 1: get back to making the Super Bowl. I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really good. There's one advantage and I'll

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Speaker 1: get to this later. There is one big advantage New

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Speaker 1: major advantage, and we'll talk about that after the break.

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Speaker 1: J Mac. Listen, the playoffs have been wild. For as

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Speaker 1: much as we talk about offense, so many of these

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Speaker 1: In fact, I was like, I don't want that to

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing how similar they are. If you

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Speaker 7: No, the excellent job by Seattle. I thought the Rams

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Speaker 7: were a better team yesterday, especially offensively. Stafford was a machine.

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Speaker 7: Didn't love the McVeigh call on fourth and four with

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Speaker 8: I mean, you could have kicked to cut it to one.

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Speaker 7: Then you just need the field goal to win, and

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Speaker 7: Seattle did a great job taking away that the running

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Speaker 7: back coming out of the backfield. But Colin, this new

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Speaker 7: England Patriots team come on, did you see all the

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Speaker 7: historic records they broke for futility offensively.

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Speaker 8: In the playoffs? Well, that's like, this is the even

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Speaker 8: weakest offense. Well, first season run.

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Speaker 1: Let's contextualize it. It's also the hardest run against best defenses,

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Speaker 1: though certainly so Houston was not great. Defense almost always

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Speaker 1: makes offense look uneven, So let's be honest. The Patriots

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Speaker 1: offense looked very good against mid average and bad defenses. Well,

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Speaker 1: when you face the Charge and Jesse Minter and then

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Speaker 1: Denver's D line in the first half totally dominated New

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Speaker 1: it's a bad offense. I think the AFC this year

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reason Seattle should be favored, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, by about three and a half to four

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Speaker 7: I think it's up to five already in some spots. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I think Seattle kind of kills him. Drake me through

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean Jared Stidham had more than that. Like, well,

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Speaker 8: I don't know. I was just bifuddled by this Patriots offensive.

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Speaker 1: Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, the coaching is so good. You don't have

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Speaker 1: You're as you're as strong as your weakest link, and

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you that is one of the best, most

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Speaker 1: And just a blizzard got in the way with the news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's why they lost. I think

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Speaker 1: But again you're talking about very aggressive Sean McVay went

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Speaker 1: I my takeaway in this is if you can go

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Speaker 7: Compounding matters. So they got to the red zone obviously

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Speaker 7: I got I got my backup. Stitty, by the way,

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Speaker 8: They didn't have a driving under that.

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Speaker 1: You remember, take a deep breath. The blizzard ended the game.

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Speaker 1: I mean at halftime, nobody could do and you couldn't

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Speaker 8: It ten nothing leads.

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Speaker 7: Obviously the weather, you don't expect eighty yard drives calm.

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Speaker 8: They were not a great football team.

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Speaker 7: They were good, and Lamar went down and Joe Burrow

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Speaker 7: I don't know, you think This is a team that

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If you get back to the super Bowl,

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Speaker 7: All right. We haven't talked about the Patriots, but Stefan

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Speaker 2: We got a hell of a team, bro. We fought

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Speaker 11: We never made any excuses, no apologies for our success,

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Speaker 11: I'm just so thankful to be a part of this team.

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Speaker 11: To be a small puzzle piece, we got a hell

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Speaker 2: We did it for us.

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Speaker 1: Good for him. It's interesting. So, J Mac, my two

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Speaker 1: England's coaching is elite, they're coordinating his elite. By the way,

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Speaker 1: their wide receiving group made big plays all year. Drake

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Speaker 1: May is excellent run game four to five. By drafting

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Speaker 1: Trevon Henderson, Hunter Henry a good tight end, they get

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Speaker 1: a pass rush, great secondary. Like I think New England's

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Speaker 1: talent is way better than everybody think. You don't get

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Speaker 1: to super Bowls by luck. I think New England's they

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Speaker 1: spent two hundred and fifty plus million dollars on free agency.

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Speaker 1: They plugged all. I mean, their defensive line is excellent now.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, remember when the season started, I said,

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Speaker 1: don't judge New England in September because they had so

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Speaker 1: many new people. They've got six rookies playing five or

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Speaker 1: six rookies, two hundred and fifty New England to me,

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Speaker 1: just they had one really awful half this year against Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Remember they beat him in Buffalo. They came home, they

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Speaker 1: had a really bad second half, and they also had

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Speaker 1: a bad half. If I recall against the Steelers way

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Speaker 1: back early in the season and they lost to the

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Speaker 1: very consistent team for the last ten weeks. You kind

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Speaker 1: of know what you're getting. Great coaching, stud quarterback, big

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Speaker 1: play down the sideline pros, and a good a good

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Speaker 1: tough defense.

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Speaker 7: It's just tough to look at like this Patriots team

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Speaker 7: and think of recent Super Bowl teams we've seen that

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Speaker 7: are utterly dominant and beastly and dynastic, and like this.

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Speaker 8: Patriots team is none of that.

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Speaker 7: Now they're gonna, like you said, they're gonna win double

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Speaker 7: digit games like the Broncos and be frisky because they.

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Speaker 8: Got May on the rookie deal.

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Speaker 7: But you use the word lucky, Colin, let's use that

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Speaker 7: to pivot to our third story, because Shan McVeigh use

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Speaker 7: the word lucky to describe the Seahawks defense on that

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Speaker 7: fourth and four play. They indeed got lucky. If you're

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Speaker 7: watching it on now FS one, you see them double

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Speaker 7: Kyron Williams out of the backfield. And it wasn't by design,

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Speaker 7: according to McVeigh. Here he is breaking down.

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Speaker 6: That was a situation where we just kind of came

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Speaker 6: up short. They kind of looked into having two guys

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Speaker 6: peel on Kiren right there. I know that that can't

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Speaker 6: be part of their designs. So so four tunis buss

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Speaker 6: by them. You know, they're an excellent team and you

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Speaker 6: don't take away anything. You know, they they are in

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Speaker 6: the wind, and you know they're NFC champs for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people go are all set with that. But what

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Speaker 1: he's saying is basically they would not peel off two

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Speaker 1: guys to guard him. They kind of had a guy

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Speaker 1: miss an assignment and it just so happened that was

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Speaker 1: the target the Rams wanted. I don't buy into this

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Speaker 1: sore loser stuff because folks, it's like when you compete

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Speaker 1: at the level these guys do, and then you get

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Speaker 1: asked questions, do you want a politically correct answer? No,

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Speaker 1: So the media has got to lighten up. Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: was brutally honest. They kind of lucked into a bus.

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Speaker 1: They literally had two guys covering a position they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have had, and it worked out because they're great and

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, listen, they did a very good

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Speaker 1: job against Stafford on these third and fourth downs. That's

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Speaker 1: the reality of it. But you just you can't ask

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Speaker 1: questions to competitors and athletes and coaches and expect these plastic,

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Speaker 1: synthetic answers. They're they're raw. These you know, these guys

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Speaker 1: are raw. They're beaten there. I mean, these coaches talk

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Speaker 1: about not seeing their families for four months during the season.

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Speaker 1: This stuff is tough.

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Speaker 8: I'm with you.

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Speaker 7: I think this is a sore loser nonsense. I haven't

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Speaker 7: seen that personally a state off social media. Obviously I

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Speaker 7: had the RAMS in this one, and that's stung. But

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Speaker 7: they did get lucky. I mean, Kyra Williams is open

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Speaker 7: on that. Probably eighty percent of the time. Look at

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Speaker 7: the matchup becas he it's a linebacker.

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Speaker 8: I mean Kyra Williams had a really good game.

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Speaker 2: I mean the.

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Speaker 7: Rams colin against this mighty Seahawks defense average eight point

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Speaker 7: three yards per play, eight point three. So I want

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Speaker 7: to hear it like that, the Seahawks unbeatable defense. I

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Speaker 7: mean I do I already get pull out some money

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Speaker 7: on a home equity line of credit and bet on

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Speaker 7: the Seahawks and win the Super Bowl. I mean, I

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Speaker 7: feel confident in that one. But yeah, that's a tough

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Speaker 7: one for the Rams.

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Speaker 1: J Mack with the News, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by the Herd Live. Okay, So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give you one and I am. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a hell I'm gonna die on. There is

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Speaker 1: one advantage New England has, and when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: young twenty three, twenty five, twenty eight year old athletes,

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Speaker 1: this plays New England is going to hear now for

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Speaker 1: the next two weeks they're gonna get rolled by the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Huge advantage. Patriots. Remember on the National Championship game, Miami

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Speaker 1: hurt for a week. Nobody's gonna beat Indiana. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember what that first quarter was like Miami? The Hurricanes

518
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Speaker 1: were playing with their hair on fire. They bloodied Fernando

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Speaker 1: Mendoz's lip. They were angry. When you take young people

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Speaker 1: and you tell them, no, you're gonna get embarrassed. Stuff

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Speaker 1: kicks in New England is gonna hear because Seattle is

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Speaker 1: so athletic and the NFC is better and they beat

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Speaker 1: the Rams, and the DARNLD story, I'm already hearing it. No,

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Speaker 1: New England's They're lucky to be here. Mike Vrabele used

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Speaker 1: at against the Houston Texans. Remember when the Patriot players

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Speaker 1: came out of that game and said all we heard

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Speaker 1: all week was what do we do? We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get beat by the Texans. Vrabel is taking

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Speaker 1: media eclipse for the next week. He is going to

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Speaker 1: play that over and over. Don't forget how the New

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Speaker 1: England Patriot dynasty started in a snow game the Tuck Rule,

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Speaker 1: got to a Super Bowl and were a fourteen point

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Speaker 1: dog to the team. The media loved fastest show on turf,

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Speaker 1: the Rams of fourteen points, and everybody loved. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they gave Brady and Belichick no chance. It's the same

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Speaker 1: damn story and this is only a five point underdog

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Speaker 1: so it's so easy to focus your players during Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl Week when they're told they're going to get run.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny. I lived in the New England region

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Speaker 1: for a decade. It's a great place to live. It's

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Speaker 1: a great place. There is something about the New England region.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: They always say offences make great neighbors. People keep to themselves.

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Speaker 1: They're not as rich, sure as sexy, or as flashy,

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Speaker 1: or as New York. But look at all the New

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Speaker 1: York teams. The Celtics are smarter than the Knicks. The

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Speaker 1: Patriots are always smarter than the Jets and the Giants.

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Speaker 1: In New England, there's something about the character. They kind

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Speaker 1: of like being an underdog. They kind of like being doubted.

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Speaker 1: They kind of like being told they don't have a

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Speaker 1: chance and they're just gonna keep their head down. And Vrabel,

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Speaker 1: who is so good situationally, I mean, one penalty in

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Speaker 1: a blizzard, no turnovers in a blizzard against a really

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Speaker 1: good team. But I'm just telling you, you're giving me

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Speaker 1: five points in New England, I'm taking it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much gonna I do. I think Seattle's better, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they're very similar teams. Both of them need about

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Speaker 1: another draft to solve their offensive line issues. Defense, they're

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Speaker 1: both good coaching, defensive guys, excellent quarterback. I'm still young athletic.

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Speaker 1: Love to throw the ball down the field. Jsn is

561
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Speaker 1: the best receiver in the game, and Walker is a handful.

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Speaker 1: I think Seattle is better. That's why they're a five

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Speaker 1: point favorite. But for the record, Donald and his career

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Speaker 1: against the Patriots is zer and four with a forty

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Speaker 1: one passer radio. It's a different Sam Donald. But I

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Speaker 1: don't buy that this is a mismatch at all. I

567
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Speaker 1: think that's complete, absolute nonsense. I think this is a

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Speaker 1: field goal game either way. I think Settle Seattle should

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Speaker 1: be favored. But all vrabel the messaging for two weeks is,

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Speaker 1: by the way, New England doesn't have to go on

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Speaker 1: the road, neutral field and no blizzard. It's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez of the Patriots, a great corner out of Oregon.

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Speaker 1: His thoughts on being an underdog in a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 11: I mean, it's.

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Speaker 12: Been two weeks in a row. Is it was always

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Speaker 12: you know whoever the Texans, you know, they talked about

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Speaker 12: the Texans defense, and then this week it was all

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Speaker 12: about the Broncos defense. And I mean, like Mill said,

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Speaker 12: I think it's shown we have a we get that

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Speaker 12: chip on our shoulder.

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Speaker 11: I mean as cool.

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Speaker 12: It's great if you want to count us out, because

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Speaker 12: you know we're just going to go out there and

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Speaker 12: show we can do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about that. The Dynasty started as a

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Speaker 1: fourteen point underdog to the greatest show on turf. We

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Speaker 1: just watched the National Championship where nobody gave Miami a

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Speaker 1: shot to win and they came out and we're so

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Speaker 1: kicked off. And Miami was hitting late on Indiana. And

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons because Mario Cristobaul sold that all

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Speaker 1: week you're the dog. Nobody trusts you. That is so

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Speaker 1: effective with the young athletes all year long. All I

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Speaker 1: keep hearing is, you know New England, Tell me where

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Speaker 1: they're bad. Tell me where you don't like New England.

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Speaker 1: Tell me the weakness. Am I here, Drake May is

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Speaker 1: the weakness? I don't know. That's the greatest weakness of

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Speaker 1: all time. Coaching, coordinating, toughness. They're great on the road.

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, their road record tells you all

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Speaker 1: you need to know. Coaching travels, Toughness, travels. Smart travels.

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Speaker 1: Flashy offenses don't travel. That's what doesn't travel. A flashy

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Speaker 1: air attack in bad weather doesn't try. All of New

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Speaker 1: England's assets all travel well. The two best teams in

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Speaker 1: the NFL this year on the road, they're playing in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I think you're getting a mirror image

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Speaker 1: of each other. I think the Seahawk roster is a

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Speaker 1: little deeper and more complete. It just takes one bad

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Speaker 1: fumble at your own eight. I mean, just that evens

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Speaker 1: the whole game up one block punt or even I'm

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Speaker 1: taking the points in what I think will be a

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Speaker 1: great Super Bowl. It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays,

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Speaker 2: and New needs to not a Empacific. The Great American.

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Speaker 7: Race returns with its back to back champion, William Byron,

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Speaker 7: looking for a historic threepeat. It doesn't get any bigger

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Speaker 7: than this, the sixty eighth running of the Daytona five

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Speaker 7: hundred February fifteenth, only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: So the Pittsburgh Staalers. The Staalers hired Mike McCarthy very safe,

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Speaker 1: not actually shocking. There was a lot of talk about

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Speaker 1: other candidates, but you know, Mike McCarthy is not a

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Speaker 1: bad coach. Mike McCarthy will win a lot of games.

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Speaker 1: To me, he's the offensive version of Mike Tomlin. You know,

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Speaker 1: he'll win games. He knows what he's doing. I do

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Speaker 1: think he'll make it more of an offense first franchise.

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Speaker 1: They've been stuck spending a fortune on old defensive players.

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Speaker 1: It is time to pivot. Does it feel edgy? Is

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Speaker 1: it what the Rams would do or the Seahawks know?

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Speaker 1: Does it feel aspirational? No, but Pittsburgh isn't. That's not Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh loves Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's gonna do what feels right for Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: So this has always been a franchise that's insular, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't operate like the rest of the league. You know,

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Speaker 1: it just feels kind of safe. So they haven't pivoted

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Speaker 1: to offense. What would make any of us think they're

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Speaker 1: going to pivot to a young, clever, aspirational, edgy, risky

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Speaker 1: offensive coach. I mean they can't even get the offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator position right. They don't show enough urgency at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what were the AFC playoffs this year? A

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Speaker 1: bunch of twenty year old quarterbacks and one team with

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Speaker 1: a forty year old quarterback, the Pittsburgh Steelers. So and

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Speaker 1: they just spend a fortune on defense, where the rest

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Speaker 1: of the league is spending it on offense. So it's

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Speaker 1: kind of what they do. You know, they're they're when

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Speaker 1: you watch the Rams Seahawks play yesterday, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: gms that takes big swings, big risk. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Rams have had one first round pick and like nine

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Speaker 1: years Jared Verse. So they Seattle and the Rams and

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Speaker 1: the cities are very tech cities. They've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of young people in the city. They're you know, Seattle

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Speaker 1: and the West Coast and Los Angeles. They's just their

649
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Speaker 1: DNA is to take swings and take risks. And that's

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Speaker 1: not Pittsburgh. That is not Pittsburgh. That they're very comfortable

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Speaker 1: being good. So they chose a Pittsburgh guy, and you

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Speaker 1: know it again, I think he's the offensive Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing. They'll win a bunch of games.

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Speaker 1: I mean, every time Dak Prescott was healthy, they won

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Speaker 1: like twelve games. But I will say this with Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin over the last seven or eight years, and Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: When you do get into a game with like an

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid or a Belichick in his prime or a McVeigh,

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Speaker 1: you don't necessarily feel like you have the best coach.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a bad coach, but you always kind

661
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Speaker 1: of feel like the other guys get better on the details,

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Speaker 1: little more buttoned up. So that's where we stand today

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Speaker 1: with the Pittsburgh Stailers. The other thing is people are

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Speaker 1: going to beat up on a Sean mcvagh for his

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Speaker 1: play call, and I would have gone with a field goal.

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Speaker 1: But the one thing, and there's a distinction here, I'm

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Speaker 1: offensive coaches tend to be more aggressive on like fourth

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Speaker 1: down than defensive coaches, and the entire brand of Dan

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Speaker 1: Campbell is going for it. What I didn't like about

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Speaker 1: the move because I don't think anybody thought there was

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Speaker 1: going to be a blizzard. Maybe they did. What I

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Speaker 1: didn't like about the move is even if you pick

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Speaker 1: up the first down, you're at the thirteen yard line,

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Speaker 1: it's not like you got point. It mean one thing.

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Speaker 1: If you were it was at the one, So you

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Speaker 1: go for it, and if you succeed fourteen to nothing,

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Speaker 1: that is worth the risk. But the play design was

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Speaker 1: not a play design. They rolled him out. That was

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Speaker 1: not a design for a touchdown. It was a designed

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Speaker 1: to get the first down. So even if it was successful,

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Speaker 1: all right, you're at the twelve yard line. Thirteen yard line,

682
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Speaker 1: what that doesn't guarantee anything. So I didn't think the

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Speaker 1: the risk was worth the reward. With a backup quarterback again,

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Speaker 1: bow Knicks, I would go for it. I would feel

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Speaker 1: different about bow Knicks because bo is so Bow would,

686
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Speaker 1: by the way, not have pulled up there. Bow would

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Speaker 1: have beaten the edge rusher to the corner because bo

688
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Speaker 1: was so athletic and never take sacks and never takes

689
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Speaker 1: negative plays. So if you watch that play with bow Knicks,

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Speaker 1: he would have moved outside of the defensive end. He's

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Speaker 1: the most underrated athletic quarterback in the league. Bow Knicks,

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Speaker 1: he would have moved past the pass rush and then

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Speaker 1: bought time or run for it. But that's not Stidham.

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Speaker 1: Stidham's taller, less athletic. Again, just hasn't been this spot

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Speaker 1: very much. So I just didn't what was the payoff

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Speaker 1: a first down? All go for it? Because remember, if

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Speaker 1: you lead by ten in a conference championship game, at

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Speaker 1: any point in the game, your chances of winning are

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Speaker 1: eighty nine percent, and a lot of these analytic numbers

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Speaker 1: I rolled my eyes at, but I don't roll my

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Speaker 1: eyes at taking a ten point lead at home when

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Speaker 1: the weather's not ideal, and the teams had to know

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Speaker 1: that the weather was going to get worse. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they knew it was going to be that,

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Speaker 1: but my guess is they knew it was going to

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Speaker 1: get kind of bad. Coaches tend to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: very intense on weather. They're also superstitious. They know, you know,

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Speaker 1: Peyton knew the weather was turning. So here was shot

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Speaker 1: on the fourth down decision again.

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Speaker 10: It felt like, man, we had momentum to get up

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Speaker 10: fourteen and felt like we had a good call. I

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Speaker 10: think the feeling was, man, let's let's be aggressive. There's

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Speaker 10: always regrets, you know. I felt like, you know, here

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Speaker 10: we are fourth and one. We felt close.

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Speaker 1: Enough that.

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Speaker 10: And it's and it's also a call you make based

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Speaker 10: on the team you're playing in how what you're watching

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Speaker 10: on the other side of the ball. So yeah, they'll

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Speaker 10: be they'll always be second.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I try generally stay out of play calling because I

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Speaker 1: think there's certain things analytics can't measure. But in that instance,

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Speaker 1: if you pick the first down up, you're still twelve

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Speaker 1: thirteen yards away from a touchdown. So you have there's

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Speaker 1: a likelihood. You know, the way New England's defense is

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Speaker 1: very good, there's a likelihood you're going to be doing

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Speaker 1: that same thing in ninety seconds or two minutes. You're

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Speaker 1: going to have to make that decision again again if

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Speaker 1: you're at the one or two. I get it. At

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Speaker 1: that point. I think there is something to be said

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Speaker 1: about momentum young athletes. You're at home, it's fourteen nothing,

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Speaker 1: the weather's getting bad, then it feels. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: a big difference between fourteen nothing and ten nothing when

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Speaker 1: the weather's getting bad. By the way, bo Nick's first

735
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Speaker 1: career start in the NFL, he was the second fastest

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Speaker 1: ball carrier in the entire league. That's interesting. Staff just

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Speaker 1: sent that. So he's got a totally different gear than

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Speaker 1: Jared Stidham, totally different gear, bo Nix, I could call

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Speaker 1: that plan, live with it. Jared Stidham, I'm going with

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Speaker 1: a field goal, all right, good stuff. Colin Wright, Colin wrong.

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Speaker 1: Top of next hour, Matt Hasselbeck stops by. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to talk to him. He was in Seattle, and

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Speaker 1: I have been told was partaking in some of the

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Speaker 1: festivities after the game with the Seahawks. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear that. What an environment, what a game to be

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Speaker 1: involved in. What a day in Seattle. Wasn't the weather perfect?

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Speaker 1: That was like that in Seattle in January