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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob.

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Speaker 3: Lamb and this is Joe McCormick.

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Speaker 2: It has been I think many months since we've covered

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Speaker 2: a selection from Mexican cinema, so today we were returning

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Speaker 2: once more to the wild world of lucha libre films

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Speaker 2: with nineteen sixty eight's The Batwoman.

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Speaker 3: Is this a lucha libre film? The heroine of the

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Speaker 3: film is both a superhero and a wrestler, like in

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Speaker 3: some of the other lucha libre movies we've watched, but

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Speaker 3: the wrestling has a distinctly less important role in the

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Speaker 3: plot than it usually does. Here, there are just some

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Speaker 3: random wrestling scenes. There is not a say, a wrestling

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Speaker 3: showdown with the villain like we often get. Did you

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Speaker 3: notice that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It is less of a specialized LUCA film compared

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Speaker 2: to other Luca films that we've discussed or we've watched

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Speaker 2: for Weird House Cinema. It's more of a like a

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Speaker 2: hybrid combination of of like James Bond spy movies, super

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Speaker 2: crime film. Also also an acapoco beach vacation brochure. Yes,

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Speaker 2: as we'll discuss, and yeah, there is also it is

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Speaker 2: also a luchadora film and a monster movie, all of

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Speaker 2: these things rolled into one. The director of this who

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Speaker 2: we've discussed him many times before, Renee Cordona, he was

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Speaker 2: looking at some old interviews of his and he had

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Speaker 2: said that a Luca film was kind of like a cocktail.

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Speaker 2: You had a lot of elements in there, and you

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Speaker 2: just sort of hope that like enough people liked it

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Speaker 2: or found the things they liked in it. And you

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Speaker 2: can definitely see that with this picture, you know, and

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Speaker 2: to the extent that it can kind of lead to

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Speaker 2: some like shifts in exactly what sort of movie it is.

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Speaker 2: Like one moment it's a horror movie and then the

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Speaker 2: next it's a fabulous super crime spy movie. And you know,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't necessarily stitch all these things together perfectly,

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Speaker 2: but this is a very fun film.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have a question you may know the answer to,

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Speaker 3: but I don't, so. As we've said, the title is

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Speaker 3: The Batwoman, And as we will discuss, part of the

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Speaker 3: Batwoman's costume is that she is wearing different kinds of

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Speaker 3: a bikini version of the Adam West to nineteen sixties

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Speaker 3: Batman costume. So this is some kind of play on Batman,

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Speaker 3: though in terms of what this character does in the

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Speaker 3: elements of the plot, she's really more like James Bond

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Speaker 3: than she is like Batman. But yeah, but so there

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Speaker 3: this is a take on Batman. But when I went

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Speaker 3: searching for this movie, I saw that there actually is

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Speaker 3: now a character the Batwoman, like a DC character the Batwoman.

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Speaker 3: Did that character exists at the time in the sixties

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Speaker 3: when this was made or is that a subsequent development?

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Speaker 2: Ooh, I think this I think Batwoman existed by this point. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so this is This is a thoroughly unlicensed Batwoman film,

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Speaker 2: to be clear, yes, and not the only one. There's

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Speaker 2: also a nineteen sixty six movie called The Wild World

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Speaker 2: of Batwoman I'm an American film that is also completely

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Speaker 2: unlicensed and is not an official portrayal of the female

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Speaker 2: counterpart to Batman.

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Speaker 3: I have seen both films. I recalled that one being

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Speaker 3: a lot more boring than this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one, I think I saw a riff version

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Speaker 2: of that years ago, and yeah, pretty boring. This one

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Speaker 2: pretty exciting. I think this one keeps the pace is

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Speaker 2: kept up pretty pretty nicely. It's always glamorous. There's always

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Speaker 2: something shocking, amazing or hilarious happening on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Even though if you sketch out the plot it is

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Speaker 3: bananas on paper. There is a strangely repetitive, predictable quality

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Speaker 3: to the developments throughout it, like they're they're keep they're

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Speaker 3: keeping these moments where you think something really surprising is

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Speaker 3: what what his next plan is, what is the next

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Speaker 3: crazy phase of his plan? And it's yet again he's

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Speaker 3: going to steal the pineal juice from somebody's planned. It's

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Speaker 3: like the fourth time he's a what's what am I

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Speaker 3: going to do? I will have your pineal juice?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there are not gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 2: surprises in this film to get into it, and in fact,

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Speaker 2: there are many plot elements that are like straight out

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Speaker 2: of previous Renee Cordona films, so in fact, previous Lucadora films,

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Speaker 2: including Doctor of Doom, which we watched on the show before.

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Speaker 2: So you know, it's it's it sticks to a formula,

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Speaker 2: and I guess that's the thing to to to really

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Speaker 3: You may recall Doctor of Doom was the one. It

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Speaker 3: was the Luchadora film where the mad scientist is I believe,

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Speaker 3: transplanting women's brains into gorillas. Interesting. Good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he figures out that the Luciadors, and particularly Lucadors

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So here he's not doing full brain transplants. Instead,

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Speaker 3: he's taking a small cranial organ and getting the juice

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Speaker 3: from it and using that to create fishmen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So again, this is a sixty eight film filmed

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Speaker 2: in sixty seven. We're reaching the end of the heyday

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Speaker 2: of Lucha Libret pictures, And in fact, I'm to understand

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Speaker 2: this movie actually didn't really do that well when it

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Speaker 2: of developed a fan following and a cult following. Several

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Speaker 2: of the resources I turned to for this one are

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Speaker 2: via the excellent Indicator Blu ray release of the film,

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Speaker 2: which I highly recommend. It has some great extras. One

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Speaker 2: by the name of Mauricio Matamoros around and he has

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Speaker 2: a very nice feature titled Adventures in Mexicolor, and he

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Speaker 2: popular culture at the time. You know, it's again kind

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Speaker 2: of late in the Luca film period, but still very

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Speaker 2: much in a time when Luchadors and Luccadoras are still

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Speaker 2: reigning supreme domestically, is like, you know, cultural figures. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: international superhero and spy franchises are very popular. People love

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Speaker 2: Bond films, people love Adam West, Batman, and so all

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Speaker 2: of that's coming together as well as like just a

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Speaker 2: heading into the nineteen sixty eight Summer Olympics to be

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Speaker 2: held in Mexico City, the first in Latin America. And

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Speaker 2: in fact, there's at least one scene in the picture

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Speaker 2: where I think Batwoman's doing some pistol shooting and you

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Speaker 2: course this is filmed in Acapulco, which was a major

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Speaker 2: especially at the time. It still is, but at the

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Speaker 2: time was really a major vacation destination, and this film

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Speaker 2: is essentially a vacation brochure for this beach destination.

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Speaker 3: We've had several of these movies lately, in the same

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Speaker 3: way that Godzilla versus Mecha, Godzilla was showing off the

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Speaker 3: beautiful tourist locations on the island of Okinawa here. Yes,

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Speaker 3: this is very much like come visit Acapulco. It is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a successful film can do a lot in this area.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about an unsuccessful film, but still it's

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Speaker 2: got to Surely when this film came out, some people

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Speaker 2: became excited about the prospect. Now I want to include

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Speaker 2: We've talked about Luchador films and Luchadora films in the past.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to add some extra context here regarding Luchadora's

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Speaker 2: the female Lucadors, drawing on the writings of Dolores Tirnany

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Speaker 2: and Mexican cinema expert Doyle Green. We've taught referenced the

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Speaker 2: writings of Doyle Green before, particularly in our episode on Alocarda.

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Speaker 2: So they make some great points here about it that

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Speaker 2: I think help us understand the Batwoman a bit more

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Speaker 2: so Luca in general was open to both male and

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Speaker 2: female spectators and children, while at the same time, women

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Speaker 2: were prohibited from frequenting cantinas in Mexico until like the

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, So on one hand, it was like it

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Speaker 2: was a space that was open to everybody. Now, prior

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Speaker 2: as a luchadora in Mexico. There were just male luchadors.

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Speaker 2: But then a luchadora action becomes popular and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: they point out that it can walk that kind of

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Speaker 2: you know, female bodies interacting with each other. But it's

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Speaker 2: in the sporting or pseudo sporting world of Lucha libre

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Speaker 2: professional wrestling, so it's okay. But this is where it

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Speaker 2: gets really interesting. Luchadoras became, you know, really popular on

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Speaker 2: were not crazy about this, and luchadora matches were actually

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Speaker 2: banned in Mexico City from the late nineteen fifties till

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. What wow, Yeah, So the luchadora movies

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Speaker 2: beginning with Doctor of Doom, I believe provided a key

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Speaker 2: big name luchadors played the beefy leads in their movies,

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Speaker 2: like Santo. You know, they'd be dubbed, but they would

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Speaker 2: get to showcase their physiques, their moves, their signature masks.

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Speaker 2: You know, as we've discussed with some of the Santo films,

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Speaker 2: in those and those films are sometimes more focused on

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Speaker 2: Lorena Velasquez, while actual Luca doors played themselves or side characters,

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Speaker 3: I could tell actually in the Luca scenes in this

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. Yeah, you can see that when she's

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Speaker 2: when she's International Spy Batwoman, she is wearing the smallest

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Speaker 2: and it's clearly like a stockier individual doing the wrestling.

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Speaker 2: And the interesting thing is we'll discuss Merrimante did pretty

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Speaker 2: much all of her own stunts, like even when she

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Speaker 2: do that? Can you scuba dive? Up? Let me do it?

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Speaker 2: But she did. She specifically did not do the the

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Speaker 2: main Luchadora scenes, and part of that was because, again, uh,

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Speaker 2: they had limited options to do so due to some

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Speaker 3: Some weird close ups and stuff. Yeah, really, let you

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Speaker 3: see what's happening. Yeah, but no, instead it is good

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Speaker 3: brought in the pros, the luchadoras. Yeah, did this professionally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now there's a There was actually a similar suitchituation

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Speaker 2: While live Luca was still permitted, the Mexican government banned

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Speaker 3: What wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Luca films were just were also just a

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Speaker 2: This is our fourth Cardona Senior film, alongside fifty nine

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Speaker 3: you know some kind of like ominous sounding name. Instead,

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00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: we're getting doctor Smith here.

429
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean his ship has a cool name.

430
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 3: But we'll get to that in a minute.

431
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's just doctor Eric Williams. But he is

432
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: played by Roberto Canado. Lived nineteen eighteen through nineteen ninety eight. Really,

433
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: I always enjoy this guy. This is our third Canado

434
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: film is He also played the mad scientist villain and

435
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: Doctor of Doom, essentially the same character, and he played

436
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: a much more sympathetic character in the nineteen sixty five

437
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: where Will film La Loba the she Wolf. He was

438
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 2: a classically trained actor, you know, a veteran by this

439
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 2: point where you know his work dating back to I

440
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: think nineteen thirty nine, he was already a two time

441
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: Aerieal Award nominee and a one time winner, and he'd

442
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: go on to receive a special Lifetime Achievement Award in

443
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: sixty seven, I'm sorry in ninety seven. He worked in

444
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: pretty much every genre, a lot of dramas, but also

445
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: a fair number of Luca films, including I think three

446
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: Santo films.

447
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 3: You mentioned. He plays basically the same character in Doctor

448
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: of Doom, and I would say that's right, Except I'm

449
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: not trying to knock this movie. I really like Batwoman,

450
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: but his character to me in this seems a downgrade

451
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 3: from Doctor of Doom and Doctor of Doom. They at

452
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 3: least play up some mystery about his identity. He has

453
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 3: a double role in Doctor of Doom where he's playing

454
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: a kind of a mild mannered guy working in an office.

455
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: And then also there's this villain character whose face you

456
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 3: do not see at the beginning, and there is a

457
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 3: revelation when it turns out, oh it's a you know,

458
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: Roberto Kannedo who is the bad guy, and you didn't

459
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: see it coming, or maybe you did. I don't really

460
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: remember how much they.

461
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you see it coming. But but the mystery

462
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: is in place. You know, the plotting was a lot

463
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 2: more ambitious than Doctor of Doom. Here, it's pretty it's

464
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: pretty obvious from the get go that we're dealing with

465
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: a mad scientist. Like, there's no there's no mystery here.

466
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 3: First scene you meet him, he is dunking a doll

467
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: into a fish tank and saying, we're going to make

468
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: a fish man.

469
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's no there's not even a mystery concerning

470
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: what he's trying to do, but still a lot of fun.

471
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 2: Like I say, I always enjoy his performances. Now he

472
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: has a toady in this as I think any good

473
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 2: mad scientists should. And his name is igor Of and

474
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: he is played by Jorge Mandragan, who lived nineteen oh

475
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: three through nineteen ninety seven, Mexican actor who also appears

476
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: in fifty sevens The Aztec Mummy and in sixty threes

477
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: Santo in the wax Museum. That Santo in the Wax

478
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: Museum I've mentioned before because that's the only Santo film

479
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 2: to feature Claudio Brook, the great Mexican actor. Sadly, I

480
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: don't think it's necessarily top tier Santo horror. I watched.

481
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: I tried to watch it not too long ago, and

482
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: it's fine, but it's it doesn't deliver what you'd hope.

483
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: Knowing that it's like Claudio Brook and Santo dot, maybe

484
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: I should give it another go. Well.

485
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: I appreciated Jorge mondergn in this movie, especially in the

486
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: way he portrays a kind of jealousy of the fish man.

487
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: Did you notice that? Yeah, he's like the mad scientists

488
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: used to care about me, and now all he cares

489
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: about is his fish Man.

490
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. Almost, there's almost the Snither's Mister Burns kind of

491
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: vibe here with these these two, especially with Igor. I mean,

492
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: Egor seems to really be into this project they're working

493
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: on together, and then you know, priorities shift and and

494
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure he knows how to take it.

495
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: Sometimes that happens workplace politics.

496
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: Yes, all right. Another familiar face in this film is

497
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: the actor playing He's listed in the credits is Jose

498
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: the lottery Seller, but I think that's that's a cover

499
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: that he has basically this one. Oh he's number one. Yeah.

500
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: He's one of the criminal underlings of the mad Doctor Williams,

501
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: and he is played by David Silva nineteen seventeen through

502
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six. Listeners of the show and Mexican cinema

503
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: fans might remember him as the deranged father Lazarro in

504
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: seventy seven ZADOKARDA. Okay, yeah, so he was. Also he's

505
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: a one time Aeriel Award winner, three time nominee. He

506
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: also pops up as the Colonel in nineteen seventy two's

507
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: Al Topo. So you know, very much hard faced, heavy

508
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: sort of actor effective here playing the under the chief

509
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: underworld operative for our mad scientists. All right, let's get

510
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: into some of our other good guys. They're supporting good guys.

511
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 2: So we have Hector Goadoi playing Mario Robles.

512
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: You mean special agent Mario Roblaze.

513
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: Yes, agient Mario Roeblace. This is one of two crime

514
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: fighting operatives that work with the Batwoman. Good Oi lived

515
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty six through nineteen ninety four, a handsome Mexican

516
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: actor whose other credits include sixty threes, Bring Me the Vampire,

517
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: sixty three's House of Frights, sixty five She Wolves of

518
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: the Ring. That's a Luchadora film, and let's see also

519
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty six Luca film The Clutching Hand in

520
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: seventy eights, the Year of the Plague.

521
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: He is very handsome. He is a handsome special agent. Yeah,

522
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: but then you couldn't You wouldn't be a Batwoman movie

523
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: with just one handsome special agent.

524
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, because we also have Tony Roca, played

525
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: by Armando Silvestri, who lived nineteen twenty six to twenty

526
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: twenty four. He came up in our episode of Doctor

527
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: of Doom. He's in that as well, though he sadly

528
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: passed away since our recording of that, but he was

529
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 2: like a bullfighter turned actor, and he often played punky

530
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: leading men in Mexican cinema and also you know, he

531
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: pops up in some American westerns as well. But the

532
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: thing that I've found really fascinating about this film is, Okay,

533
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: we have our female here, a heroine here, and then

534
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: we have these two male crime crime fighters, you know,

535
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: police investigators, special agents that are working with her. And

536
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: to be clear, this is a very family friendly film,

537
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: and both Mario and Tony are are just the batwoman's

538
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: close friends.

539
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: Are they?

540
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: Well, on the surface, they hang out, they're essentially on

541
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: vacation with each other, and if one of them has

542
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: to sleep over, they are downstairs on the couch. But

543
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: on the other hand, these three feel very close to

544
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: the extent that it feels it feels like what I

545
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: think is called in the romanticy world a reverse Harem situation,

546
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: in which a female protagonist has multiple dedicated love interests,

547
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: usually usually three or more, but in this case it's two.

548
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, these three seem very close with each other.

549
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: I have now given a terrible update to what the

550
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: Algos think is going on in my life because this

551
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: movie had me googling to figure out what it's called

552
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: when one woman goes on a date with two men

553
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: at the same time, and I couldn't figure out an

554
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: answer to that. I don't know if there's a term

555
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: for that, but it happens in this film.

556
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: The romance genre has like everything mapped out, like there's

557
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: there's terminal terminology for everything. So I'm sure there's there's

558
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: a more articulate term that I'm just not utilizing here.

559
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, so the Internet told me, oh, when

560
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: three people are dating together, that's called a thrupple, so

561
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: that that may be the most common name for this

562
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: relationship situation. But I was wondering, what do you call

563
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: the date? What's the date where the batwoman She's like,

564
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the beach with Special Agent

565
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: Mario Roblaze and Inner National Agent Tony Rocca and I'll

566
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: kiss them both.

567
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I can only imagine they're playing that up here. Also,

568
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: the story inverts typical genre conventions by having Mario and

569
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: Tony essentially be the damsels in distress most of the time, but.

570
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: Though they have a stinger at the very end, that's

571
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: like I don't know, some weird kind of gender conventional

572
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: twist at the end just to like put you at ease.

573
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: I guess.

574
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. This movie's weird in that regard and

575
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: commentators have discussed this because, yeah, there's a lot of

576
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: stuff where obviously you're putting a beautiful woman in a

577
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: bikini and having her you know, prants around on the screen.

578
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: You know, the male gaze is very much in play here.

579
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, like she's kicking butts, she

580
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: has a dual her sort of dual role here is

581
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: both a highly effective like physical crime fighter and investigator

582
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: and then her secret identity she's a superstar there as well. Oh,

583
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: she's like a highly successful, wealthy presumably like businesswoman.

584
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: Where's her money supposed to come from?

585
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like I assume she has business interests that

586
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: she's successfully running. So yeah, it's fascinating that regard.

587
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: We never see her in a board meeting like we

588
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: get Bruce Wayne scenes. Yeah, so we don't know where

589
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: the money comes from. But yes, she is a successful

590
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: wrestler and the world's most fearless crime fighter. She excels

591
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: at all sports and can basically do anything except she

592
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: does have some specific sort of creature related terrors.

593
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, one of them is very understandable because one

594
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: of them is fish men. Yeah, but yeah, we'll discuss

595
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: the other one later. Let's see real quick. Do you

596
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: remember Crumba and La Loba Crumba?

597
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: Who is Crumba?

598
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: He was like, the I think his position is like

599
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: a Roma character, you know, Oh okay, yeah, well he

600
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: was played by Costa Rican luchador turned actor croc Alverado

601
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: who lived nineteen ten through nineteen eighty four. He's in

602
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: this as well. He plays the inspector.

603
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: Oh okay, is he the guy who's there to explain

604
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: how wonderful Batwoman is? And then he was like, would

605
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: you like to meet the handsome special agent Mario Roblaze

606
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: And then we're just the plot just just sort of

607
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: handed off to Mario.

608
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, all right. We have an individual by the

609
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: name of Alfonso Barcinas, dates unknown, but he is credited

610
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: as he's credited like later in the credits for the

611
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: sea Monster, the Monstro Marino, you know, the making of it,

612
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: one presumes, But then also he is listed as playing

613
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: pieces the fish monster, right.

614
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: The name that the doctor gives to the fishman. He

615
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: is PCs PCs.

616
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: Yes, so I was. I was looking into this a

617
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 2: little bit and I wasn't finding much about this guy,

618
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: just a few credits. But then I was checking out

619
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: one of the extras on the Indicator disc by film

620
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: critics Jose Lewis Ortega Torres, and he points out that

621
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: this guy Barcinas, was an underwater cinematography expert, and he

622
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: stresses that Barcinis just really didn't receive enough credit for

623
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: his work on this film, certainly back in the day.

624
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: You know, in this film in general again didn't really

625
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, didn't really change the world when it came out.

626
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: But Barcinis's pieces is really a standout monster in Mexican cinema.

627
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: Torres points out he has almost no predecessors as a

628
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: guill man or a fish man in Mexican cinema, with

629
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: really the main precursor being a gill Man type character

630
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: in the Ship of Monsters style horror comedy The Castle

631
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 2: of the Monsters in nineteen fifty eight.

632
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, so does Castle of the Monsters. I haven't

633
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: seen it. I'm just guessing kind of pull in a

634
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: bunch of the universal monsters in exact way.

635
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: I saw a clip of it. It looks pretty funny,

636
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: Like basically when it's when the fishman is defeated in

637
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: this film, he just turns into a trout or something,

638
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: but flopping on the floor.

639
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: But I have spread out of him. He put it

640
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: on a bagel.

641
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, But I have to say, I think the

642
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: fishman in this film looks really good. Is it? Is

643
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: it subog creature from the Black Lagoon? Absolutely, but pretty

644
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: much everything, literally everything is nothing looks as good as

645
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: that fish man. On the other hand, certainly better than Zat,

646
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: than the bloodwaters of Doctor z I dig the red color.

647
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: And something that's key, according to Torres is that the

648
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: monster moves so well underwater and is shot so well

649
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: in those underwater sequences, and the creature's interactions with our

650
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: heroin underwater as well.

651
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: I was actually kind of shocked how good the underwater

652
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 3: cinematography is for especially for a movie of this budget

653
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: in caliber, Like, the underwater scenes are pretty impressive. I

654
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: was thinking about the main in terms of what they

655
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: were trying to recreate from recent James Bond movies. I mean,

656
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: you can clearly see Thunderball was a big film that

657
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: had a lot of underwater scenes, which, frankly, in my opinion,

658
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 3: if you go back and watch Thunderbold, there's too much

659
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: underwater stuff becomes quite boring. There's so much of it,

660
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, okay, I'm ready to hear people

661
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: talk now. But so, I think that kind of spirit

662
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 3: of underwater spy action is something they're trying to capture

663
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: in this film, and they do it quite well. The

664
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: underwater photography looks good, and it's staged well too. There's

665
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 3: a good underwater choreography, which I imagine is not easy

666
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: to do.

667
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's making use of space and depth

668
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: in ways that there are a lot of underwater sequences

669
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: in films that are a lot sloppier. And also a

670
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: lot of films will just depend on some stock footage.

671
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: Like when I was pulling this film out, my wife said, oh,

672
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: I bet that's gonna have a lot of stock footage

673
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: in it, And you know, there's probably some stock footage

674
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: in it. Like, using some stock footage in your film

675
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: is just sensible. But on the whole, it's not the

676
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: the sense that you get from the Batwoman. It really

677
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: feels like they filmed pretty much everything in this on

678
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: location and did it quite well.

679
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think what could have been stock footage.

680
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 3: There are some shots of Yse gliding over the bottom

681
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 3: of the water, and I wonder if that's original or

682
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: if that's just stock they sourced.

683
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it might have been something that Barcena

684
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: has already had or had already shot. You know, that

685
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: seems highly likely, all right? And finally, the music in

686
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: this picture is a lot of.

687
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: Fun cooking hot jazz. Yeah it is.

688
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: And the individual responsible is someone I wasn't familiar with.

689
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: I'm not super well versed in a lot of Latin music,

690
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: you know. I hear it in mixes or on radio stations,

691
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: but I don't necessarily know my way around it. The

692
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: individual credit it is Leo a Costa who lived nineteen

693
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: twenty five through two thousand and seven. He only has

694
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 2: a few film credits, but I learned more about him

695
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: via the label mad About Records, which describes him as

696
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: a legendary master of psych Latin jazz, funk fusion, and

697
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: they single out his nineteen seventy album A Costa. This

698
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: is the one if you're looking it up. It has

699
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: a picture of I'm assuming this is the artist himself

700
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: with his face on like a drought and not a dragon,

701
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: a lion with a psychedelic background. And you can find

702
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: this wherever you stream your music or download your music,

703
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: what have you. I was listening to this a little

704
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 2: bit and it's top notch. It has a great vibe

705
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 2: and it's very reminiscent of the vibe that you get

706
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: with the Batwoman soundtrack.

707
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I checked it out when you sent me the link.

708
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 3: It's got some great grooves.

709
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well let's go proove into the plot

710
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: of The Batwoman.

711
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, we hear some of that groovy jazz while

712
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: the credits are playing over what looked like oil paintings

713
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: of ocean waves crashing on the beach. It's like JMW.

714
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: Turner paintings. It's kind of a strange choice. It doesn't

715
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 3: really fit the mood of the film.

716
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, why do not you some of that underwater footage

717
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 2: when you're saving that for later? Just throw it up now.

718
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 3: It's not like it looks bad. It just sets a

719
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 3: very different visual tone than the rest of the movie.

720
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: Is. It's this feeling that it's like we're watching a

721
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: stage production and they're still dressing the stage behind the curtains, Like,

722
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: this just feels like curtains.

723
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: So after the credits, we cut to actual waves crashing

724
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: on a rocky shore. Two boys are out fishing off

725
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: the top of a rock and they find a dead

726
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: body floating in the surf. Then we learn from a

727
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: news broadcast that this is the fifth murder in a

728
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: row where the victim was one of Acapulco's famous athletes.

729
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: The victim this time was a wrestler named Reo, and

730
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: the killer still has not been caught. And then the

731
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: newscaster says the police are incapable of solving these crimes. Well,

732
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: that's bad news. Yeah yeah, so let's check in with

733
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: the incapable cops. We cut to an office where a

734
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: couple of detectives are sitting among stacks of paper and

735
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: filing cabinets, and they are complaining about how quote the

736
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: liberal newspaper readers do not understand the inherent difficulty of

737
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: police work. One of them says there are no clues,

738
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: no leads, nothing, and then the other one says that

739
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: there have been similar murders in Hong Kong and Macau, Like, wow,

740
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 3: how'd they get that information? But and they have somehow

741
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: established that those murders are connected to the murders in Acapulco.

742
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: And then I was thinking, wait a minute, I thought

743
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: there were no clues and no leads. That sounds like

744
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: clues and leads.

745
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a complete cold case. We have no

746
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: leads except for the clear connections that Interpol has supplied for. Yeah,

747
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: but Interpol's got together hands busy with some sort of

748
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: Godzilla situation.

749
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 3: Meka Godzilla exactly. Yeah. So anyway, the FBI, I guess

750
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: the United States FBI is sending them a special agent

751
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: to help with the case, a very very handsome, dashing

752
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: special agent. His name is Mario Roblace. And he arrives

753
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: for a visit right after they start talking about him,

754
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, the handsome special Agent Mario Roblaze.

755
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: Knock at the door, that's him. So special Agent Mario

756
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: Roblace comes in, he sits down, and he says, I

757
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: know someone who can help us solve this case. It

758
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: is someone I've worked with before, and apparently that gives

759
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: it away. He doesn't even have to say who it is,

760
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: and the detective is like, ah, batwoman, you mean So

761
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: I guess special Agent Mario Roblaze is just the FBI

762
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: agent who has a reputation for always working with Batwoman.

763
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 2: He's the guy you hire because of his connections to Batwoman,

764
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: not because he himself is really that in the field.

765
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, does Special Agent Mario Roblaze accomplish much of

766
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 3: anything in this film? No?

767
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,959
Speaker 2: No, really, he's very much as supporting role.

768
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: He is there to get Batwoman on the case. Yeah.

769
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: But when they bring this up, the other detective somehow

770
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: does not know anything about the illustrious Batwoman and asks

771
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: who she is, and they muse for they say, hmm,

772
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: she is very difficult to describe with words, but they're

773
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: going to try anyway. So here's the you know, the

774
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: ineffable Batwoman begins. Thus, she is a wonderful and very

775
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: rich lady who lives in the capital city. Seems straightforward.

776
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: She uses her vast fortune to fight against the forces

777
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: of evil. So far, is this something that's hard to

778
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: describe in words?

779
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

780
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 3: But while they're saying this, we cut away to Batwoman's

781
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 3: house and she's putting on some going out clothes, a

782
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 3: long white evening gown, furs, white gloves that come up

783
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: to the elbows, and big hair. Big hair. Once again,

784
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: I mentioned that Maramonte is the Martian with the big

785
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: hair in Santo in the Martian Invasion, So I think she,

786
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe she had a strong neck, could

787
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: like really balance a weighty wig up there. Anyway, it

788
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 3: starts getting weirder, so they say the cops are still

789
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: trying to describe the indescribable Batwoman, and they say, thanks

790
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: to her special abilities, she is distinguished in all sports.

791
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 3: And now we see her in black leggings and a

792
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 3: green sleeveless shirt and a Batman mask like the cowl

793
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: with the ears in the mask of Adam West style

794
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: batman mask, holding a gun. She's got a big, long

795
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: barrel revolver in one hand like a dragoon, holding it

796
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 3: out in one hand, and she is leveling the gun

797
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 3: at a target, and then she hits six bull's eyes

798
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: in a row. So I think this little shot settles

799
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: the question of who's winning an the fight between Batman

800
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: and Batwoman. And she just pulls out the revolver and

801
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: he's toast.

802
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because Batman famously doesn't use a gun, which

803
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: always does always struck me as a weird flex on

804
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: Batman's part because he's still like murdering people with his

805
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: bare hands and is engaged in extra judicial justice. So

806
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: but he's like, hey, hey, my moral fiber is is

807
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: firmly in place. I don't use a gun at all. There,

808
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: didn't you just throw that guy off the building?

809
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 3: Though, there's definite hypocrisy and the characterization of Batman because

810
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: they also they always make clear about Batman he doesn't kill,

811
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: you know, that's his rule. It doesn't use guns and

812
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 3: doesn't kill. But if you're beating people unconscious some of

813
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 3: them will die. That that also will Well, you're causing

814
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: many people permanent brain injuries. Some of them are going

815
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: to die. That's unavoidable. So it's just a kind of

816
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: a fantasy world where you know.

817
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 2: What's going to happen to them in the criminal justice

818
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: system and so forth.

819
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: Obviously some people would be killed in those kinds of

820
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: car chases, just inevitable. Yeah, So anyway, after this, we

821
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: see Batwoman dressed up in an old Hollywood like western

822
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: gunslinger outfit with a little black hat and a chin

823
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: strap yeap, riding a horse down the middle of a

824
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: western frontier town movie set. I was thinking, is this

825
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: the same western town movie set where they shot that

826
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 3: scene in Nemesis. You remember what I'm talking about.

827
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I think that was in That was

828
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 2: in Arizona or New Mexico, one of the two.

829
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 3: Well they said it was taking place in Mexico.

830
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: But oh well, yeah, Well, in the context of the film,

831
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: I'm assuming the exact same place. Yeah. Sure.

832
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: So she gets off her horse and she starts shooting

833
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: her gun at something. Again we don't see what. Then

834
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: we see her skin diving around a coral reef and

835
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: spearfishing underwater. So the sports that she excels at are

836
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: shooting a gun, riding a horse and shooting a gun,

837
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: and skin diving and shooting a harpoon.

838
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: Now, one thing that we've touched on before is that

839
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: there was often a Mexican cut of a film like

840
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 2: this and then an international cut, and the international cut

841
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: would include added footage of, say, nudity, mainly nudity, but

842
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: maybe sometimes blood. I'm imagining an alternate cut of this

843
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: which entailed, wherever you were sending the Batwoman out to

844
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: be viewed, you would show her showcasing her sporting abilities

845
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: and whatever the most popular sports of that given country.

846
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: Happened to be Batwoman excels at the luge, but yeah,

847
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: that's true. That was definitely the case with Santo and

848
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: The Treasure of Dracula, where it was the European cut

849
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: that had all of the excessive nudity.

850
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: You know, speaking of Dracula, I was noting some of

851
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: the international titles for this film when it was released

852
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: in Germany. I don't know if they just didn't know

853
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: about Batwoman in Germany or if there's some other issue.

854
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: But she is not Batwoman. She is Dracula's daughter.

855
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: Wait what yeah, wait, are you joking?

856
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm not joking. Yeah, oh, okay, that the German titles

857
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: for this film I think translate to Dracula's daughter and

858
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: Professor Satan.

859
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: Professor Satan.

860
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

861
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: Oh man, wait, isn't that the name. There's a Professor

862
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: Satan in some rob Zombie movie Doctor Satan, doctor Satan.

863
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: So okay. Yeah, And if memory serves, there may be

864
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: an act there may be a doctor Satan somewhere in

865
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: the La Lucha film universe as well, because you know,

866
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: obviously Zombie was was and is inspired by a lot

867
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: of that media as well.

868
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely so, anyway, the detective, he's been listing her sports.

869
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: She can shoot a gun, ride a horse and shoot

870
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: a gun, shoot a spear, skin dive. But then finally

871
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 3: he says, behind the mask, she's become a great wrestler.

872
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: And then finally we get to see her in the

873
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 3: ring wrestling her in ring costume. So there are two

874
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: main Batwoman costumes. As we said, one of them is

875
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: going to be a blue bikini with the batwoman mask

876
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 3: and a blue bat cape, and then the other one

877
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: is going to be her in ring costume, which is

878
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 3: gray tights on top and bottom, dark dark blue mask,

879
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 3: dark blue boots, and dark blue briefs over the tights

880
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: with a yellow utility beild.

881
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: And as we noted earlier, this is of course going

882
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 2: to be a luchador wrestling double. You can no differences

883
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: in physique here. Moves are pretty neat too. There are

884
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 2: a lot of arm drags.

885
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we see her beating up on another woman

886
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: in the wrestling ring. Batwoman is absolutely dominating the match.

887
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 3: I don't think the other wrestler even gets a single

888
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: move in. So we cut back to the office and

889
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: then all the men agreed the Batwoman is indeed amazing

890
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: in every way, but the detectives should not expect to

891
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 3: see her real face because they say if and here

892
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: there was a word in my subtitles that was translated Hampa,

893
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 3: like all capital letters, like it's an acronym Hampa. They say,

894
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: if Hampa finds out about her true identity, she will

895
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: be eliminated. I took that to mean something like Specter

896
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: in the James Bond films, like a criminal organization, but

897
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 3: then we got no further information on Hampa, So don't

898
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 3: know what that is.

899
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: I don't clearly remember. I want to say that the

900
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: subtitles on the version I watched were just like if

901
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: the criminal world found out, but I don't recall that

902
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: was literally what it was, or if that was just

903
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: how I interpreted it.

904
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they say her alter ego is known only

905
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 3: to special Agent Mario Roblace and one other person. They

906
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: don't name who the other person is. Anyway, her wrestling

907
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 3: career is actually key to solving these crimes, so it's

908
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 3: not just a hobby. As a wrestler. She will be

909
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: able to infiltrate the wrestling scene and quote begin inquiries.

910
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: Because the deal is the killer has been killing not

911
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: just athletes, as the newscaster said earlier, but wrestlers, in particular,

912
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 3: wrestlers are the victims. Once again, It's like, wait a minute,

913
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 3: they have no leads. It sounds like they've got a

914
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 3: lot of information to work with here.

915
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

916
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they're going to set the Batwoman up with

917
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: some matches in Acapulco while she works the case. And

918
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: then we see her arrive in Acapulco by parachute landing

919
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: on the beach dressed in a blue bikini with the

920
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: batman mask and cape. And then she gets to business

921
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: directly to business working the case, starting by going to

922
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 3: an autopsy in that same outfit in the bikini.

923
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: Yes, at an autopsy wearing this tiny blue bikini. It's

924
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: a marvelous scene that she plays completely.

925
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: Straight, Yes, going to the autopsy and the bikini and

926
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 3: the mask, the mask on the face. So the medical

927
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: examiner tells Batwoman that in every case of these Rassland murders,

928
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: the quote pinnial pineal gland juice has been extracted surgically,

929
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: and from this they deduced that the killer must be

930
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: a medical practitioner of some kind, must have knowledge of medicine,

931
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: and must be skilled in the arts of surgery. Whoever

932
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: they are, they must be able to extract a tiny

933
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: organ from the brain cavity, leaving only a barely noticeable hole.

934
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 3: Then the medical examiner tells them that we know very

935
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: little about the human body, and even less about the

936
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: pineal gland. The only thing we can do now is

937
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: let the killer create. Is let the killer continue killing

938
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: and wait for them to make a mistake. It's a

939
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: horrible plan.

940
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: Again, have They clearly have some leads here, but they're

941
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: just like it. Just let him keep doing it until

942
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: he'll mess up eventually too hard.

943
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then we cut to a boat named Reptilicus. Yes,

944
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: they've all gone to look for Reptilicus. They literally have

945
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 3: the police trying to find this boat, but they can't.

946
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love this. This ship that has Reptlicus looks

947
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: like it's just painted like free hand on the side

948
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: of the ship. And I kept the wide shots. I

949
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: kept thinking, is this truly an ocean going vessel? It

950
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: looks more like some sort of a fairy. I don't mean,

951
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: I don't really know my boat's all that well, I'm

952
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: just saying I look at this and I'm hard for

953
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: me imagine that this ship is about to go to

954
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: Asia next to kidnap wrestlers from a different culture for

955
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: mad scientist experiments.

956
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: It looked like the kind of boat you would rent

957
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: to have a party on. It looked like a booze

958
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 3: cruise party barge.

959
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah that one, But yeah, I don't know if it's that.

960
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: It doesn't strike me as an ocean voyage sort of vessel.

961
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: But instead of being a booze cruise party barge, it

962
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: seems to contain a combination villain layer and science lab.

963
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 3: So two guys ease on into the mad science room

964
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: here in the boat. They're wearing white lab coats, and

965
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 3: we've got the boss, doctor Williams and his assistant Igor.

966
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: They approach a fish tank with a single orange fish

967
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 3: in it, and then they drop a human shaped doll

968
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 3: into the tank. They tweak some knobs and then they

969
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 3: make the fish tank start bubbling vigorously. So it seems

970
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: to me any live fish in that thing is now

971
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 3: cooked in d It appears their experiment has failed, so

972
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 3: doctor Williams approaches the tank. He's dejected. Now he's upset.

973
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: There's this like gray lock of hair hanging out of

974
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: place over his brow and Williams says, no reaction, Egor,

975
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: we have to do a new experiment to create our

976
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 3: fish man. But he says, they've got a problem. They

977
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: are out of gland liquid, so they're going to have

978
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 3: to kill another wrestler immediately.

979
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I have to stress Canedo's pencil thin mustache is

980
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: also key to all of this. Gray pencil thin mustache.

981
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 3: Yes, very good, and Igor tries to argue with him.

982
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 3: He says it's too dangerous. The police are onto us.

983
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: Can't we use somebody other than a wrestler. The professor

984
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 3: says no, Only wrestlers provide the level of physical perfection

985
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: needed for my gland liquid.

986
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 2: High profile victims. Only Egor exactly.

987
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 3: So now we cut to the house of wrestling. It's

988
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: time to check in at a gume for luchadors. So

989
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 3: it's big guys. They're doing throws on a mat, practicing

990
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: throws on each other, and then we see rob. I

991
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: wonder if you know what this is. There's a line

992
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 3: of dudes doing some exercise on the parallel bars where

993
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 3: they split their legs over the two parallel bars and

994
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: then rotate their bodies forward to grab the bars with

995
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: their arms lift the legs off and then flip them

996
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 3: over and do it again. I don't know what this

997
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 3: is called.

998
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 2: It was impressive. It would be disastrous if I were

999
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: to attempt this myself.

1000
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that looks like some torn crotch muscles or

1001
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: something for sure. So a blind man with sunglasses and

1002
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: a cane comes into the gym. I think this is

1003
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: the guy named Jose.

1004
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: And yeah, played by Silva. Yeah right.

1005
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 3: He starts talking to a wrestler named Swedish. Jose has

1006
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: rented for Swedish a half priced boat so that Swedish

1007
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: can go out in the ocean and go fishing. Swedish

1008
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 3: is very exciting. He says he's going to catch a

1009
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 3: tuna and a swordfish, and I just get the feeling

1010
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 3: he's gonna be out some gland liquid quite soon.

1011
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's damned.

1012
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, at the other end of the gym, Batwoman in

1013
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 3: full Adam West costume is sparring against a wrestler named Esmerelda.

1014
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 3: Batwoman obviously wins because nobody beats Batwoman, and then afterwards

1015
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: Batwoman heads to the locker room. She takes off her

1016
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: mask and checks in with special Agent Mario Roblaze. By

1017
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 3: way of a two way radio. He has been staking

1018
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 3: out the port, but so far he hasn't seen anything.

1019
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 3: And then we get a scene with the wire the

1020
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:42,479
Speaker 3: wire tap. It seems thet is she going downstairs at

1021
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 3: the gym for this scene?

1022
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: I think, I guess. So there's just a spy infrastructure

1023
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 2: underneath everything. This is also the scene where she's wearing

1024
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: the batwoman mask. Ye, but then she has like black

1025
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: suspenders over what is this like a purple sleeveless shirt pinguation.

1026
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, pink sleeve shirt, black suspenders on a black skirt

1027
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 3: and the batman mask. It is a bizarre outfit.

1028
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I like this one the most of

1029
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 2: anything she wears.

1030
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: It's very good. So she wears this. I think she

1031
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 3: has to put the She has to keep the mask

1032
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: on because she's going to talk to the detectives and

1033
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: they don't know her alter ego. So she goes downstairs

1034
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: of the gym to talk to the detectives who have

1035
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 3: tapped the payphone upstairs of the gym. Jose from earlier

1036
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 3: gets picked up placing a suspicious call where he and

1037
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: his accomplice identify each other with code names. They're calling

1038
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: each other number one and number three, like operatives from

1039
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: Specter and from Russia with Love. Batwoman runs upstairs to

1040
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: see who is on the phone, but by the time

1041
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: she gets there, it's too late. There's nobody on the

1042
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: phone anymore. So there's going to be a sting. Swedish.

1043
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 3: The wrestler is out fishing on this rented boat. He's

1044
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: just sitting there, fishing in the water and minding his

1045
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 3: own business, not suspecting it. I guess he's not minding

1046
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: his own business from the fish's perspective, but he's just

1047
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: doing his thing. And then a gang of guys in

1048
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 3: scuba gear swim up to his boat, get on the boat,

1049
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: beat Swedish unconscious, kidnap him in another boat, and Williams

1050
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: and Igor, meanwhile are looking on from their floating laboratory nearby.

1051
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 3: There are actually many scenes in this film of Igor

1052
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 3: and Williams standing at the window in their laboratory looking

1053
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: out the window with binoculars, narrating what's going on.

1054
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, most of their scenes are in that room.

1055
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe all of all, Yeah, almost all of them,

1056
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: I think, actually, maybe all of them. Yeah. Anyway, Number

1057
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: one and his henchmen bring Swedish to the combination villain

1058
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: Lair and science Lab, and doctor Williams is informed that

1059
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 3: Batwoman has arrived in town and this is no good,

1060
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: very scary because everybody knows that Batwoman solves crimes. She

1061
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: means business. But Williams is not very concerned. He says,

1062
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: soon they can finish their experiments, then they will flee

1063
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: to another country where she can't find them. And they

1064
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: have fled to many other countries before. Previously they were

1065
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: in Hong Kong and Macau. Yeah.

1066
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what the wrestler crop was like

1067
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: over there, but maybe they found some other profession to

1068
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:17,959
Speaker 2: prey upon.

1069
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: There's a thriving luchador scene in every city. So the

1070
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 3: patient now is etherized upon the table and they start

1071
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: doing this thing with what was this thing they're doing

1072
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 3: with A two? They've got a tube, a rubber hose

1073
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: thing hooked up to the top of a goldfish that's

1074
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 3: swimming around in the tank.

1075
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. They did have some goldfish wired

1076
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: up for a minute.

1077
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: There had the wire up the goldfish, maybe so they

1078
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 3: could feed it the pineal juice.

1079
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: I guess that's it, because I think the idea is

1080
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: you put the pineal juice in the fish, and then

1081
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: you take the fish and you're going to do other

1082
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: things with you know, you put the pineal gland juice

1083
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: in the fish, you make a tiny fish man, and

1084
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 2: then you need to do other things to grow that

1085
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: tiny fishman into a proper sized fish man.

1086
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 3: And animate it. Because when they make the tiny fish man,

1087
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: it's just a doll. But they have to bring it

1088
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,479
Speaker 3: to life and make it big at the same time.

1089
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 3: With radiation.

1090
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: It's a complicated process that you know, it seems like

1091
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: you could just have a single mad science tank that

1092
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: does the whole thing.

1093
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: Anyway, Williams, whatever's happening in this experiment, Williams likes it.

1094
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 3: It is good. He gets this crazed look in his

1095
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: eye and starts muttering perfecto, perfecto, and then we get

1096
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: a villain speech incoming. So here it is in translation,

1097
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: of course, he says, prepare yourself, igor, you were about

1098
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: to witness this century's most awesome act. Four hundred million

1099
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 3: years ago in the sea, the evolution of the human

1100
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 3: being began when the first vertebrate appeared the fish. According

1101
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: to this law, we'll regress back to the dawn of

1102
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 3: creation and we'll create the image and likeness of our

1103
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 3: ancestors and amphibious human creature. Ha ha. Amazing villain laugh here,

1104
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 3: just a rich, savory villain laugh, like a hardy bowl

1105
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: of stew. It was top tier villain laugh.

1106
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, great laugh. And I guess. So the plan

1107
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: is we're either there either used to be fishmen fishmen

1108
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: and we're making fishmen again, or we're getting the fishmen.

1109
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: Is basically getting back to the idea that humans have

1110
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: roughly aquatic origins and therefore we should have aquatic humans.

1111
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 3: Now I'm not sure exactly what he's saying. It's kind

1112
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: of hard to parse that speech. Yeah, I don't think

1113
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 3: he's saying that there used to be fishmen. I think

1114
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: he's saying we evolved from fish and now we're going

1115
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 3: to go back to fish, which will complete the cycle.

1116
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely needs to happen. A little sketchy on why,

1117
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: like is it because oh, well, you know the world

1118
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: is changing and we're gonna have more aquatic environments. We

1119
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: need aquatic humans, or aquatic humans would be ideal for

1120
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: space travel. This is the long term future of the

1121
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: human race, or as there is plenty to recommend that

1122
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 2: there's plenty to suggest later that it's just about him

1123
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: controlling the oceans through an ever growing army of fishmen

1124
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 2: that serve him.

1125
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 3: So we cut away from this to Batwoman. Now she's

1126
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 3: out of costume as her alter ego Gloria and special

1127
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 3: Agent Mario Roblaze. They are out at dinner at a

1128
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 3: fancy restaurant next to the Marina, and I was wondering,

1129
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 3: if Batwoman has to hide her real identity, are people

1130
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: not going to figure out that she happens to be

1131
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: the woman constantly hanging out with Special Agent Mario Roblaze,

1132
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 3: who is one of two people who know Batwoman's real identity.

1133
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think that the criminal element could work backwards

1134
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: from that data and figure it out. But I don't know.

1135
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: Detective work is hard in this town. I think it's

1136
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: just there's a lot of vacationing that distracts one from

1137
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: getting the job done.

1138
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 3: It's kind of like if Bruce Wayne as Bruce Wayne

1139
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 3: was always going out in public with Catwoman.

1140
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'd think you would put one and two

1141
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: together on that.

1142
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, they're talking work. They can't leave the work

1143
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: behind and just be social. They're at this restaurant and

1144
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 3: talking about how they traced the phone call at the

1145
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 3: gym to a building associated with a retired surgeon named

1146
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: to doctor Eric Williams, who lives on the ship the Reptilicus.

1147
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 3: And one of the only facts they know about Williams

1148
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 3: is that he collects fish. I wonder if they're still

1149
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 3: in the mindset of having no leads.

1150
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: Or CRUs Yeah, we almost to having a lead here,

1151
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:41,479
Speaker 2: we might be I.

1152
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 3: Think this could be a lead. Batwoman thinks since the

1153
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 3: killer is a medical professional, that they should treat doctor

1154
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 3: Williams as a suspect and investigate. Also in this scene

1155
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: we here mention of the other person who knows Batwoman's

1156
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 3: true identity. This is international agent Tony Rocca and one

1157
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 3: of them, Oh, she says, I'd like to salute him.

1158
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 3: Only the two of you know my true identity. We

1159
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 3: have solved many cases together. So Batwoman takes a boat

1160
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 3: out and tries to talk herself aboard the reptilicas she

1161
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 3: goes out there, like heyrect let me come on your boat,

1162
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 3: but the crew send her away. Doctor Williams does not

1163
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: accept visitors, so after this there is a scene with

1164
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 3: special Agent Mario robe Lace and international agent Tony Roca,

1165
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 3: both flirting hard with Batwoman. They established that the Reptilicus

1166
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 3: the boat was previously in Hong Kong and Macau, where

1167
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 3: the other gland liquid murders were and seems like pretty

1168
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: strong suspicion on Williams Now. So Batwoman has to get

1169
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 3: aboard the ship and this is where we get some

1170
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 3: bond overlap where there's a scene much like in Thunderball,

1171
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 3: where Batwoman uses an underwater torpedo shaped propulsion device to

1172
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 3: swim underwater up to the boat at night. Yeah, she

1173
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 3: climbs aboard the boat. As she's coming up the ladder

1174
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 3: onto the side of the boat is instantly dry somehow

1175
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 3: in her Batwoman costume wearing, so it's the batmsk the

1176
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 3: bikini in the cape and she starts searching the reptilicus

1177
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 3: room by room. In one room she finds a dossier

1178
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 3: full of notes on the pineal gland. Seems suspicious. But

1179
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 3: while she is spying through the keyhole into the laboratory,

1180
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 3: Batwoman is discovered by Williams henchman and a fight breaks out.

1181
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 3: She karate chops two henchmen and then throws a flask

1182
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: of acid into the face of doctor Williams. He collapses

1183
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 3: on the floor, writhing in pain. So he's going to

1184
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 3: be very very Harvey two face now burned on one

1185
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 3: side of the face, and he will regard himself as

1186
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 3: a monster after this, though the scarring is not that extensive.

1187
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 2: No, no, but the exact same thing happened to Gnato's

1188
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: character and Doctor of Dim the doctor Doctor Doom suffered

1189
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: the exact same injury.

1190
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 3: So Batwoman fights her way through the crew, heading to

1191
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 3: the upper deck and beating dudes up one by one.

1192
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 3: Eventually she throws a smoke bomb to escape, and we

1193
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 3: see the villain's coughing with all the smoke, and then

1194
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 3: she dives off the side of the boat and swims

1195
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 3: away to safety. Now scarred and humiliated, Doctor Williams pulls

1196
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 3: a hard reorientation of his organization's mission. So they have

1197
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 3: gone from number one priority of making fishmen to number

1198
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 3: one priority of getting revenge on Batwoman.

1199
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: Yep, and I think the exact same thing happened in

1200
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 2: Doctor of Where suddenly it's like, nope, we are revenge

1201
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: oriented business. Now that's what we're doing.

1202
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: He tells his henchmen in this scene, use your brains

1203
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 3: to find out who she is, and so they're going

1204
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 3: to do that. They're going to use their brains. There's

1205
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 3: a whole sequence here where Batwoman goes to the gym

1206
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 3: in costume, leaves in her massive convertible in costume, is

1207
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 3: tailed by the mad Doctor's goons as she drives around town,

1208
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 3: and there's a funny part as she's driving by and

1209
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 3: all the bad guys are just standing on the sidewalk

1210
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 3: in a huddle. One of them takes aim at her

1211
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 3: car with a gun with like points of pistol at

1212
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 3: her car, and then his friend is like, you idiot,

1213
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 3: you can't shoot her in broad daylight. But they're already

1214
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 3: out here waving a gun around in public in broad daylight.

1215
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: They're using those brains, that's what they're doing.

1216
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 3: So where is she going, Well, this is the scene

1217
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 3: where she has a hot double date at the beach.

1218
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 3: Or it's not a double date, it's a three way.

1219
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 3: She has a date with special agent Mario Roblaze and

1220
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 3: with international agent Tony Roca. So she goes to the

1221
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 3: beach and it's a very beach blanket bingo kind of scene.

1222
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 3: Everybody's doing the twist in a circle in the sand

1223
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 3: and you can see they have been doing this for

1224
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 3: a while, or maybe they've done several takes, because the

1225
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 3: sand is really kicked up in the dance circle. She's

1226
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 3: got her two dates there with her on the beach,

1227
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: sitting on a blanket, and she tells them, I can't

1228
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 3: get it out of my mind. I'm sure that thing

1229
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 3: I saw on the fish tank was a fishman. One

1230
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 3: of her dates tells her, if you were looking through

1231
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 3: a keyhole, maybe your vision failed. I'm certain you only

1232
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 3: saw a fish. Batwoman says, maybe, but I'd like to

1233
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 3: be sure.

1234
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't guess slight her about fishmen.

1235
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: Come on, you weren't there, dude, what do you think?

1236
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1237
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 3: Batwoman leaves the beach back in her bat costume once again,

1238
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 3: and so she's driving in the convertible in the back

1239
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 3: costume with the cape flapping in the wind. And this

1240
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 3: leads into a car chase where the bad guys zoom

1241
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 3: around her on this winding ocean drive. All of these

1242
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 3: cars are so big, these gigantic nineteen sixties convertibles. Mara

1243
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 3: Monte does not seem the least bit fussed or troubled

1244
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 3: about this cliff side death race. She's just cruising while

1245
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 3: the henchmen are swerving back and forth at her and

1246
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 3: the brakes are shrieking, and every time we cut to her,

1247
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 3: she's just it looks like she's just driving.

1248
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1249
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 3: Eventually they force her to pull over onto the shoulder

1250
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: and it seems like they've got her trapped, but she

1251
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 3: has a good trick up her sleeve, though I guess

1252
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 3: she doesn't have sleeve. She's got a good trick somewhere

1253
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 3: in there in the cape. She pulls out a compact

1254
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 3: mirror and starts to check her makeup, which I guess

1255
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 3: the villains are fine with, and then suddenly she turns

1256
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 3: and points it at them, revealing that the compact is

1257
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: actually a gun. That was a good That one had me.

1258
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: Going, nice, nice gadget work.

1259
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she holds them up at gunpoint and calls

1260
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 3: police headquarters. After this, a fight breaks out sort of.

1261
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 3: They get the better of her again for a second,

1262
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 3: and they tell her they're going to lead her out

1263
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 3: to an isolated place for execution, but then she breaks

1264
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,560
Speaker 3: free and starts beating them up again. So it's a

1265
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 3: kind of stop and start sequenced fight that you know,

1266
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 3: multiple fights break out and then stop and then start again.

1267
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: There's a lot of meaningless back and forth between the

1268
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 2: heroes and the villains in this film. For sure, I

1269
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 2: have captured you. No, I have captured you. Actually I

1270
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 2: just turned the tables, and so I will also turn

1271
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 2: the tables as well.

1272
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 3: But now I hear the police sirens approaching, so we

1273
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 3: must scram yes, and that's what they do. They scramble

1274
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,480
Speaker 3: when the when the cops arrive. Next scene is another autopsy.

1275
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 3: Now the medical examiner is talking to Special Agent Mario

1276
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 3: Roblace about gland juice, and bat Woman is standing there.

1277
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 3: In this scene, she seemed obviously bored and not listening.

1278
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,520
Speaker 3: She's just staring off in the other direction and fidgeting.

1279
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: She's making connections. She's like she's going beyond the autopsy.

1280
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 3: I guess. So it seemed like it almost seemed like

1281
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 3: a take where she was not really on, like not performing,

1282
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 3: but they just left it in. Batwoman says, obviously, the

1283
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,440
Speaker 3: men who tried to kill me worked for doctor Williams.

1284
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 3: He is the killer. Let's arrest him. Special Agent Mario

1285
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 3: Roblace is he's about to make a very wise move.

1286
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 3: He reacts to this by saying, you need to calm

1287
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 3: down and try to understand there is just not enough

1288
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 3: evidence to implicate Williams. You're talking about coincidences here, so

1289
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 3: oh boy. After this there is a great there's a

1290
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 3: mad science scene where Williams and his wretched underlings boil

1291
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 3: up the kindall sized fishman and then they send it

1292
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 3: down to the bottom of the bay to be bombarded

1293
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 3: with radiation. So the plan is they're going to irradiate it,

1294
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 3: which is going to bring it to life, and then

1295
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 3: the divers can bring it back to the lab. But

1296
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 3: after the experiment is a success, the fishman is enlarged

1297
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 3: to the size of a human adult and inspired with life.

1298
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 3: Maybe this is a good place to actually describe the fishman.

1299
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty great. I guess. One of

1300
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 2: the underlying challenges to the design here is if you're

1301
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 2: if you're going to create a fishman a gillman to

1302
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: use in a film, and you're gonna shoot it underwater,

1303
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 2: how are you going to have somebody play that part?

1304
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 2: Either you have to just do it like a skin

1305
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 2: diving situation, which is what they did with in a

1306
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 2: Creature from the Black Lagoon, or as they have believe

1307
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: they did with the with zat and the bloodwater is

1308
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 2: you got to have all of that built over a

1309
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 2: scuba suit, which can make things a bit bulky, and

1310
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: I believe that is what they do here with our fishman.

1311
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 2: But the results look really good. I think they did

1312
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 2: a great job with the suit. I assume the suit

1313
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: is covering up some sort of limited scuba gear. Maybe

1314
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: they're making do with just some snorkeling gear. But it's

1315
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 2: a brother bulky head that has these big bulbous eyes.

1316
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 3: Like insect eyes, actually not quite so much like fish eyes,

1317
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 3: and has a little nasty little mouth with teeth, has

1318
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 3: a ridge across the middle of the head like a

1319
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 3: like a helmet, almost kind of the rocketeer helmet.

1320
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does kind of look like organic rocketeer.

1321
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then has these and also like the rocket

1322
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 3: heer in that I guess the rocketeer had a jet pack.

1323
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 3: And you mentioned there is like a bulging ridge a

1324
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 3: hard piece on the fishman's back, which I think is

1325
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 3: supposed to be like spines covering fins on the back

1326
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 3: of the fish. But I think that could very well

1327
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 3: be covering up, like you were saying, covering up the

1328
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 3: oxygen tank.

1329
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly for the underwater sequencesparatus.

1330
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 3: And then the catcher's mint hands with claws.

1331
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to have great claws in a monster suit.

1332
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just it's just because you got to

1333
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 2: have those shots of like claws grabbing claws reaching around things,

1334
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: and the claus look really good on this guy.

1335
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 3: So the scuba henchman try to guide the Fishman back

1336
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,440
Speaker 3: to the Reptilicus, but it is not coming along quietly.

1337
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 3: The Fishman is aggression incarnate, and it doggedly fights back

1338
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 3: against the divers. In fact, you could almost say we

1339
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 3: are treated to an underwater tag team wrestling match, which

1340
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 3: is Fishman versus the scuba brothers. Do you think that's

1341
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 3: what's going on here?

1342
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe so. I mean it's it's admirable that they

1343
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 2: were able to really capture anything at all, because it's

1344
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: how do you how do you really translate underwater action

1345
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 2: for the screen? You know, I think the film does

1346
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 2: a pretty good job with it.

1347
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Doctor Williams overcomes this because he has some kind

1348
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 3: of sonic weapon that they can use to incapacitate the Fishman.

1349
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 3: They blast him with this thing, and then the scuba

1350
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 3: wrestlers can snatch him with a net and bring him

1351
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 3: onto the boat. Doctor Williams tells Igor to quote, prepare

1352
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 3: the wet mattress. Is that some kind of thing?

1353
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: What is I think that is like a thing with

1354
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 2: if you have some sort of like a it's a

1355
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 2: way like a wet surface substance that you can put

1356
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 2: a sea animal on for. Oh okay, you know medical

1357
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 2: interventions that sort of thing. Okay, Well, I spoke too soon.

1358
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 2: Maybe this movie really knows what I mean. I don't

1359
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: know if that's the correct terminology, but I feel like

1360
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 2: I've seen this before and like a big aquarium behind

1361
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: the scenes type things. It is not a pe soaked mattress.

1362
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 3: On the boat, they keep the fishman confined to a

1363
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,959
Speaker 3: room they called the Special Room, and doctor Williams explains

1364
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 3: to Igor that they are now ready to move on

1365
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 3: to the second phase of their experiment to create una

1366
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 3: muhair piss a MoU hair pass a fish woman. So

1367
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 3: he stares up at the ceiling and says, and I

1368
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 3: don't need to tell you who that will be. I

1369
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 3: think we can all guess.

1370
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 2: Well. I like at this point though, that he has

1371
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 2: he's sort of he's taken his revenge. He's still keeping

1372
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: to his revenge pledge, but he's incorporated it back into

1373
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 2: the work, this vital work that he and Egor have

1374
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 2: been working on and have committed their life to creating fishmen.

1375
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now we're going to create fish women

1376
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 3: and get revenge in one stroke. It's a good idea.

1377
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 3: It's efficient. There are some Fishman containment issues. Fishman keeps

1378
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 3: breaking out and is grunting and growling while thrashing around

1379
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 3: in the laboratory and smashing stuff. There is conflict between

1380
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 3: Egor and Williams here. Igor is using the sonic weapon

1381
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 3: Beam to subdue the beast when it breaks free, and

1382
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 3: Igor actually seems eager to kill the beast in the process,

1383
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 3: but Williams intervenes to make Egor stop. This is what

1384
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 3: I brought up earlier, is are we supposed to take

1385
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 3: it as Igor being jealous of the fish Man like

1386
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,799
Speaker 3: Doctor Williams only seems to care about the Fishman these days.

1387
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 2: Could be? Could be? Or perhaps now that Igor sees

1388
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 2: the reality of the fish Man, he's like, this is

1389
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 2: not what we were dreaming of. This is just a

1390
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 2: murderous monster.

1391
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 3: This is this. Yeah, I signed up for now I

1392
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 3: regret my choices. Also without any rationale that I picked

1393
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 3: up on. Doctor Williams has started calling the fishman pieces

1394
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 3: pieces or either pieces or pieces again like Pisces. So

1395
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 3: Batwoman and special Agent Mario Roblace go check out the

1396
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 3: reptilicus on a little boat. Batwoman, who is not in

1397
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 3: costume right now, goes scuba diving to snoop on the yacht.

1398
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 3: Doctor Williams goes berserk and sends Pieces to go get

1399
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 3: her and bring her to him so he can turn

1400
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 3: her into a fishwoman, and this leads to an underwater

1401
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 3: chase scene between the fishman and the batwoman, in which

1402
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 3: we learn that the the fishman is afraid of fire

1403
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 3: because she manages to drive him off with a gadget.

1404
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 3: She has an underwater flare which she lights and holds

1405
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 3: up against him, and this terrifies the fishman. During the scene,

1406
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,679
Speaker 3: there are a lot of footage of schools of fish

1407
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 3: darting around in front of the camera and rays gliding

1408
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 3: on the ocean floor. Batwoman climbs back up onto the

1409
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 3: boat with special Agent Mario robe Lace and says in

1410
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 3: a surprisingly frightened and even plaintive tone. She says a

1411
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 3: monster is after me. So this is the first time

1412
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 3: I noted, like, Wow, She's experienced plenty of peril so

1413
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 3: far in the film, but this is the first time

1414
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 3: she has seemed the least bit bothered by the peril.

1415
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 3: Other action scenes are scenes where she's threatened it, not

1416
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 3: bothered at all. But now she's freaking out and the

1417
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 3: fishman pops out of the water starts attacking the side

1418
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 3: of the boat, and she says, there it is like,

1419
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 3: that's the fishman that attacked me and Mario Robelace. He's

1420
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 3: got an idea. He pours gasoline on it and then

1421
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 3: hits it with a cigarette lighter. Pretty pretty good, right,

1422
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 3: you think so? But the fishman, he's got it. He's

1423
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 3: got a way to get out of this. He goes

1424
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 3: under water.

1425
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the I like the way they shot

1426
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 2: this too, because you see presumably the actual fishman amid

1427
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: the flames on the water, and then they shoot it

1428
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 2: underneath the water as well.

1429
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 3: So back at the swanky Seaside Mansion, special agent Mario

1430
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 3: Roelace says, it's incredible. I can't understand what kind of

1431
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 3: creature that was. They argue about whether it was the

1432
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 3: creature made by Doctor Williams or not. Finally, Special Agent

1433
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,799
Speaker 3: Mario Roeblace agrees that it's time to have the police

1434
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 3: raid the good chip reptilicus. Finally, Okay, you're coming around

1435
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 3: and in the scene by the way, they are slamming

1436
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 3: some tiki drinks. Do you catch that?

1437
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, these are all working lunches and working dinners,

1438
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 2: though they're always talking about the case.

1439
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 3: But also having a fog cutter. Yeah. Meanwhile, the bad

1440
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 3: guys figure out a plan. Doctor Williams is going to

1441
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 3: have one of his undercover henchmen plant a tracking device

1442
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 3: on Batwoman's cape, and then his fishman is going to

1443
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 3: be able to follow the signal and track Batwoman to

1444
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 3: her secret hideout. He says, PCs will bring me the woman,

1445
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 3: and then my vengeance will be terrible, terrible to reblay,

1446
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 3: to reblay. Also, he implies that they will turn Special

1447
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: Agent Mario Roblaze into a fishman as well. Williams says, quote,

1448
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 3: we will go to another country and make a dozen,

1449
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 3: no one, hundred fishmen. We will control the seas and

1450
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 3: the oceans. We will create hundreds. So finally, I think

1451
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 3: we were wondering, what's the plan I guess that's the plan.

1452
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 3: He's going to control the seas in the oceans.

1453
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 2: But he's really got to scale up. We've barely we

1454
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 2: don't really have one functional fishman right now, Like he's

1455
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: this fishman is barely under their control.

1456
01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 3: Not disciplined. Yes, they're constantly having containment problem and he's

1457
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 3: not listening to instructions. After this, there's a random wrestling

1458
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 3: scene that is not relevant to the plot, but we

1459
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 3: see Batwoman and the wrestler named Esmeralda, the one who's

1460
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 3: all in red versus two other women. Again, this is

1461
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 3: not Maramanty and the Esmeralda actress. It's just Luchador is

1462
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 3: doing their craft and there's some really good moves here.

1463
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we do get to see some of those

1464
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 2: signature LUCA double team submission moves, which I believe you

1465
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 2: still see these in Lucha Libre, but you don't really

1466
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: see them outside of Lucha Libret. Like generally, the idea

1467
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 2: is that a submission move like kind of like UFC style,

1468
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 2: it has to be one person administering it to another person,

1469
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 2: whereas in LUCA it can be two three guys using

1470
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 2: it on one guy or two guys doing it on

1471
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 2: two guys, the sky's the limit.

1472
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,919
Speaker 3: So after the match, a henchman places the radio transmit

1473
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 3: on Batwoman's cape and she takes the cape home with

1474
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,839
Speaker 3: her after the match, so the trap is set. Special

1475
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 3: agent Mario Roblaz comes home to her fabulous mansion with

1476
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: her and declares that she is not safe, so he's

1477
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 3: going to stay the night, though he is staying on

1478
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 3: the couch with a gun, So again questions abound about

1479
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 3: their relationship status or what exactly is going on with them.

1480
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 3: It's complicated, yes, But while Batwoman is changing out of

1481
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 3: her wrestling costume, she finds the radio. Then she gets

1482
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 3: out a receiver device and starts investigating. And this has

1483
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 3: got to be the only time in movie history where

1484
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 3: there is a spy movie style bug sweeping scene set

1485
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 3: to hubba hubba saxophone music.

1486
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 2: That's a great point. And the other thing I love

1487
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 2: about it is she finds the bug and then she's

1488
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 2: just kind of like, oh, well, I'm going to go

1489
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 2: to sleep now, which she later explains as being like, well,

1490
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 2: I didn't think there was any going to be any threat.

1491
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,440
Speaker 2: I thought they were just tracking my movements.

1492
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 3: Yes, she says she thought it would bring the bad

1493
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 3: guys to her, but she didn't think it would bring

1494
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 3: the monster to her.

1495
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, because as we've seen, she can handle bad guys.

1496
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 3: Oh Yeah, she wakes up with a room full of henchmen.

1497
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 3: She just beats them all up.

1498
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah for everybody. Yeah.

1499
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,440
Speaker 3: So, in the middle of the night, pieces the fishman

1500
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 3: comes trudging up from the waves on the beach. He

1501
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 3: goes into Batwoman's house, creeps up the stairs and into

1502
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 3: her bedroom, and we get plenty of the fishman looming

1503
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 3: over her. But eventually she wakes up and she starts screaming,

1504
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 3: and then she faints as the fishman carries her away.

1505
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 3: So once again this interesting distinction. Like a gang of

1506
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 3: armed men threatening to kill her at gunpoint, Batwoman not

1507
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 3: only doesn't seem afraid, she doesn't even seem interested, almost

1508
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 3: a psychopathic level of no fear at all in these situations,

1509
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 3: just a perfunctory listlessness in her beating up and disarming

1510
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 3: of the human enemies. However, a fishman so terrifying to

1511
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 3: her that she first runs screaming back to special Agent

1512
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 3: Mario Roblaze, and then in this scene she loses consciousness,

1513
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 3: just faints.

1514
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a terrifying monster. I guess, so everybody's got

1515
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 2: their achilles heel.

1516
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, so fishman, And they don't write in anything in

1517
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 3: the story like, oh, when I was a child, I

1518
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 3: was afraid of fish or something, you know, that might

1519
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 3: kind of explain it. Instead, it's a well, I don't know,

1520
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 3: I'll come back to this at the very end of

1521
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 3: the notes. Maybe. So the fishman Mario Roblaze comes up

1522
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 3: and tries to save her, but the Fishman fights him off,

1523
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 3: and then the Fishman carries the unconscious Batwoman down to

1524
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 3: the beach, but Mario Roblaz chases and attacks again on

1525
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 3: the beach, and this time it's sort of a proper

1526
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 3: wrestling match in the waves. So the Batwoman manages to

1527
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 3: regain consciousness, joins in the fight, and together she and

1528
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 3: Mario Roblaze hold off the monster until doctor Williams activates

1529
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 3: the return home signal and it dives back into the ocean.

1530
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 3: So he really, you know, Doctor Williams just keeps messing up.

1531
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 3: He's like, surely he's got her by now. Now I'll

1532
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 3: press the come home button.

1533
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 2: And he'll just bring her. He'll just bring her to me.

1534
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 3: Gives up in the middle of the fight and leaves

1535
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 3: goes back into the water, so our two heroes are

1536
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 3: safe for now. Back at Villain headquarters, the Hinch squad

1537
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 3: is getting chewed out by the Boss. Doctor Williams is

1538
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 3: mad that PCEs failed to bring the bat Queen. He

1539
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 3: says he must have her and make her his dread

1540
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 3: fish Woman. Finally, he gets a brilliant idea. He says,

1541
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 3: they know that the Batwoman works with special Agent Mario Roblaze.

1542
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 3: As we've established, this is public knowledge. So what they're

1543
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 3: going to do is kidnap Roblaze and she'll have to

1544
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 3: come rescue him, and then they're going to set a

1545
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 3: trap for her and then bam, fish Woman coming right up.

1546
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 3: So that's what they do. The bad guys kidnap Mario

1547
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 3: Roblaze and then also international agent Tony Roca get both.

1548
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 2: Of them, might as well.

1549
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they inform Batwoman of this kidnapping by leaving

1550
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 3: a ran some note in her locker at the wrestling gym,

1551
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 3: so it says, go to the yacht alone. If you

1552
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 3: don't do this right, both of your friends will die.

1553
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 3: So Batwoman, now in costume again, makes her way out

1554
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 3: to the yacht. She drives to the marina that we

1555
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: keep seeing in her convertible in the Batwoman costume, and

1556
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 3: then in a shot that was very funny to me

1557
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 3: for some reason, we just see her sprinting down the

1558
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 3: length of the dock. And so doctor Williams has the

1559
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 3: two agents tied up in the lab and he details

1560
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 3: his evil plan. He's going to capture Batwoman and use

1561
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 3: her pineal juice to make a fish woman, as we've

1562
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 3: already established. Then he says, gentlemen, you've caused me problems,

1563
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,719
Speaker 3: but I've decided to use your lives in a glorious fate.

1564
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 3: He's going to can you guess, use your imagination, what

1565
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 3: do you think he's going to do. He's going to

1566
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 3: use the pineal juice from these two agents to make

1567
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 3: two fishmen.

1568
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know they should be honored. They should

1569
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 2: be honored. He could have just had them execut didn't

1570
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: thrown it into the ocean. But they're going to be

1571
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 2: part of the fishman future of the.

1572
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 3: Human rights, the glorious plan. That's right. Pretty beautiful Batwoman

1573
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 3: comes aboard the Reptilicus and is captured. The henchman escort

1574
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 3: her to a table where she's going to be strapped

1575
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 3: down for surgery, but on the way there, Batwoman begins

1576
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 3: to struggle and fight, and doctor Williams says, stupid, don't

1577
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 3: you see that you are defeated? But we see something

1578
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 3: he does not. In the fight, Batwoman manages to reach

1579
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 3: out and attach something to doctor William's back. She sticks

1580
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 3: the fishman homing beacon on the back of doctor William's

1581
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 3: lab coat, so the bad guy strap her to the table.

1582
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 3: Williams and Igor prepare for surgery. Williams kind of muses

1583
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 3: that while the surgery has killed all the male wrestlers,

1584
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 3: perhaps a woman will be more able to survive the

1585
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 3: extraction of the pineal juice, and Mario Robli says, you're crazy.

1586
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 3: William says, a thin line divides genius and madness. Made

1587
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 3: me reflect that is that a statement you're supposed to

1588
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 3: make about yourself? More kind of contrarian analysis of somebody else.

1589
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 3: Somebody else says doctor Williams is mad, And then maybe

1590
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 3: a doctor Williams supporter could say possibly, but there is

1591
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,719
Speaker 3: a fine line between genius and madness. When you're talking

1592
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 3: about yourself, that just sounds like you're making excuses.

1593
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or at least he should. He should be

1594
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 2: specific about which side of that line he believes he

1595
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 2: is actually on.

1596
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, the doctors they're about to suck out Batwoman's

1597
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 3: pineal juice and put it in a fish, but the

1598
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 3: surgery first requires that they remove her mask. Oh no,

1599
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 3: this is the big the climax. Is her secret identity

1600
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 3: going to be revealed? And would it matter if they're

1601
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 3: about to suck out her pineal juice anyway?

1602
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

1603
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 3: I guess it would.

1604
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 2: This would be high priority. But I mean she already

1605
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 2: she's confident, she knows she's getting out of this.

1606
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 3: But just before they can get the mask off, there's

1607
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 3: a crashing sound. Uh oh PCEs. The Fishman smashes through

1608
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 3: the door to the operating room. He's gone mad, and

1609
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 3: because of Batwoman's clever trick sticking the beacon to doctor

1610
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 3: William's back, the Fishman attacks his own creator and we

1611
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 3: see him yelling. He's yelling like Bela Lagosi in Bride

1612
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 3: of the Monster. He's saying stop by command and you

1613
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 3: stop pieces, but the Fishman does not listen and smashes

1614
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 3: up the laboratory really good, instantly starting a fire on

1615
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 3: the floor. Igor tries to stop him with the sonic

1616
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 3: beam weapon, but the Fishman gets to him first and

1617
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 3: beats him down. And meanwhile, Special Agent Mario Roblace somehow

1618
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 3: gets loose from his bindings, unstraps the Batwoman and says,

1619
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 3: we have to get out of here. She says, the

1620
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 3: yacht is going to explode. Why is he going to explode?

1621
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: I mean there are a lot of chemicals in this room,

1622
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 2: mad science lab. What happens when a mad science lab

1623
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 2: catches on fire, It's going to explode. If it's in

1624
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 2: a castle, that castle's gone. If it's in a boat,

1625
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 2: that boat's sinking.

1626
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 3: Batwoman and the two special agents escape while the Fishman

1627
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 3: flails around in the burning laboratory making grunting and moaning sounds.

1628
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 3: And then, as she promised on cue the good ship

1629
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 3: Reptilicus explodes in a big fireball. Then we get our

1630
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:14,879
Speaker 3: final scene back at Batwoman Manor Special Agent Mario Roblace

1631
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 3: and International Agent Tony Roca are having some Mortiki drinks

1632
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 3: at the bar. One of them says, I don't understand

1633
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 3: why did the Fishman attack Williams instead of us? The

1634
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 3: other says God was watching over you. But then the Batwoman,

1635
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 3: now out of costume, comes out to reveal. She says, nope,

1636
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 3: it was me. In fact, like, I am your god,

1637
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 3: I am the one who intervenes for you, and she

1638
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 3: explains the whole thing with the homing beacon. So bravo Batwoman,

1639
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 3: well played. But after that reveal, suddenly Batwoman locks eyes

1640
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 3: on something across the room and then screams, bloody murder.

1641
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 3: So what is it? We cut over and it is

1642
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 3: a mouse, very clean looking little mouse, on the arm

1643
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 3: of the couch, and Batwoman shrieks and leaps into the

1644
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 3: arms of the two agents, screaming, begging for them to

1645
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 3: kill it, destroy it now, and the two agents are like, haha,

1646
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 3: women what So I guess the joke is that she

1647
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 3: is the most powerful crime fighting hero in the world,

1648
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 3: but she's still a woman. And women are afraid of rodents.

1649
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,799
Speaker 2: I thought that was elephants. Elephants are afraid of rodents

1650
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 2: and nice, yeah, cartoon scenarios, right, And or is it

1651
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 2: that women are afraid of rodents and men have no

1652
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 2: fear of the plague? I don't know. I feel like

1653
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 2: I would scream if I saw the mouse, just because

1654
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's gross. That's not supposed to be in here.

1655
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,799
Speaker 2: How much are we paying for this fine vacation condo.

1656
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 3: Doesn't look like a wild mouse, though it looks like

1657
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:46,799
Speaker 3: a pet mouse.

1658
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 2: It's very Yeah, it's very well cared for.

1659
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think it's just a dumb joke, but

1660
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 3: if I can torture it to make it make sense.

1661
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 3: There is a running theme we've talked about several times

1662
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 3: where the Batwoman has no fear of death when it

1663
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 3: comes to threats from human crime and bad guys guns, knives, whatever,

1664
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 3: doesn't care, easily outwits beats them up. But in the

1665
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 3: face of non human creatures, including the fish Man and

1666
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 3: now this mouse, she just dissolves into a screaming mess

1667
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 3: and she has to like beg the brave Special Agents

1668
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 3: to save her. Is this some kind of theme, like

1669
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 3: the fearless destroyer of human crime is helpless when it

1670
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 3: comes to beasts and monstrosities. Is that some kind of

1671
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, D and D balance builds you can

1672
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 3: make where you're good against humans but bad against monstrosities

1673
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:35,799
Speaker 3: and wild beasts.

1674
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, Yeah, I think it's

1675
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 2: a good read on the scenario. But it's like we

1676
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 2: needed to have Batwoman face other beast hybrid creatures, you know,

1677
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 2: like a werewolf, I don't know what else, certainly an

1678
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 2: ape man. The sky's the limit. But you know, sadly, again,

1679
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 2: the film I don't think did that well. And this

1680
01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 2: was pretty late in the the Lucha era for there

1681
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 2: to be another film featuring the Batwoman, which is a shame.

1682
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 2: I feel like there could have been more adventures.

1683
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 3: You know, at the beginning of the movie, they make

1684
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 3: a big deal about her horseback riding and gun shooting skills,

1685
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 3: and we never get to see her do either one.

1686
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 2: And I know, yeah, you could have done a follow

1687
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 2: up that was essentially a Western, like very much shoot

1688
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 2: it like a Western in the same way that this

1689
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 2: is like Luca Spy Monster. You could do Luca Western Monster.

1690
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 2: Maybe that werewolf, I don't know. Pull out one of

1691
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 2: the old Aztec mummies. A number of villains that would

1692
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 2: be fit. It will be befitting of the Batwoman. Here.

1693
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,520
Speaker 3: I would watch that. We should revive the Batwoman here. Yeah,

1694
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 3: this Batwoman, Yeah, there is another there's like an official

1695
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 3: Batwoman now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a real match show or something. There

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01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 2: have been shows and movies and so forth. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think i've I don't think i've seen

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Speaker 2: any of them.

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Speaker 3: That's been fine. I don't know anything about it. But

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Speaker 3: I think they should do this Batwoman too.

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Speaker 2: We should both. Yeah, I think she should be made canon.

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Speaker 2: I would not I would not be surprised if she

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Speaker 2: has been made cannon in one way or another. I mean,

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Speaker 2: comic book writers love that kind of stuff. So DC

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Speaker 2: comic book fans, if you were aware of any references

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01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,719
Speaker 2: to the Mexican Batwoman nineteen sixty eight's bad Woman, certainly

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Speaker 2: send that in to us because I would love to

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Speaker 2: see that.

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Speaker 3: Please. Okay, that's all I've got on Batwoman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Batwoman. It's a lot of fun. I highly

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Speaker 2: recommend viewing it if you're into this sort of movie

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Speaker 2: at all. It's great in this original form, but if

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Speaker 2: you absolutely need it to be riffed, that MST three

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01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 2: K treatment is a lot of fun as well. I

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Speaker 2: watched that movie. I watched that version of it, the

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Speaker 2: riff of it with my wife, though I think she

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01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 2: did not remember the movie at all. It goes like

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Speaker 2: you've seen this movie, this is the one that the Batwoman,

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Speaker 2: and it remembers. She goes scuba diving.

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Speaker 3: But it happened. Sometimes it took We were talking about

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01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 3: it in our house and it took Rachel a while

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Speaker 3: to remember whether she had seen Doctor of Doom or not.

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Speaker 3: I think she did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that one's a lot of fun too. And

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Speaker 2: you'll find our episode on Doctor of Doom in the

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