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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 1: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 2: We have two absolute giants booked to join us in

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Speaker 2: this show. So I am extremely excited to speak with

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Speaker 2: Scott Horton about the reality of the Iranian nuclear ambitions.

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Speaker 4: He can do some debunking.

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Speaker 2: For us there, so very excited to speak with him,

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Speaker 2: and we are also going to be talking to Professor

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Speaker 2: John Meerscheimer about the geostrategic implications of all of this

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Speaker 2: we get into that, we're going to break down all

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Speaker 2: of the latest news with regard to our war in

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Speaker 2: Israel's war with Iran. Trump has now gone from saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, we destroyed all the nuclear sites.

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Speaker 4: To now the indications are we aren't.

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Speaker 2: And all the administration officials went out on the Sunday

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Speaker 2: Trump goes ahead and tweets on maybe we are going

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Speaker 2: to do a regime change. So there is a whole

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Speaker 2: as we watch what Iran's potential retaliation could be, We're

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Speaker 2: just can't make the shit up. This is Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: on True Social yesterday. It's not politically correct to use

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Speaker 2: the term regime change, But if the current Iranian regime

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Speaker 1: Question?

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Speaker 2: And then he says, myga, make Iran great again instead

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Speaker 2: That's sure, that's my that's my great, my best gas here,

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Speaker 2: So saga before I even play all of the administration

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Speaker 4: I mean, how quickly have they moved the goalposts?

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Speaker 2: Right, it's it's just extraordinary. Like first, oh, we're doing diplomacy,

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Speaker 2: Then oh, this is great, that Israel striking, and oh

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Speaker 2: But then we actually, what we really want is diplomatic negotiation.

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Speaker 2: So now we've gone from oh, we're just going to

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Speaker 1: We started with Israel has got it. All America has.

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Speaker 3: turns out, yes, the strikes were quote successful possibly in

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Speaker 3: The IDF has removed all pretenses of this being about

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Speaker 3: But with Trump, I mean, this really is a massive

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Speaker 3: He's got this, He's not going to do regime change.

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Speaker 1: He tweeted it out. He just tweeted it out.

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Speaker 3: Not only did he just tweet it out, he actually

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Speaker 3: want the evidence, I'm talking hours beforehand. Vice President jad Vance,

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Speaker 3: They all said it over and over again, this is

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Speaker 3: is about regime change.

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Speaker 7: Our view has been very clear that we don't want

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Speaker 8: So this mission was a very precise mission. It had

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Speaker 9: So is regime change off the table, mister Secretary. And

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Speaker 7: This mission was not has not been about regime change.

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Speaker 3: So the Iranians now have look whether it's true or not.

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Speaker 3: At this point, the narrative is diplomacy was a ruse,

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Speaker 3: Now, actually we did bomb you, but this is just

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Speaker 3: US Air Force service members who dropped the bombs on Iran.

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Speaker 3: He said, God bless Israel, before God bless America. This

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Speaker 10: A short time ago, the US military carried out massive

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Speaker 3: it here, so actually we got to go back and

437
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Speaker 3: we got to go get this quote nuclear material. And look,

438
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Speaker 3: it's going to be the same logic. Israel doesn't have

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Speaker 3: the bunker busters, they don't have the capacity. They actually

440
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Speaker 3: hit fourdough again this morning, similarly trying to take out

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Speaker 3: other things on the side, and again begs the questions like, well,

442
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Speaker 3: if we destroyed it, then why do they have to

443
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Speaker 3: go back and hit it again. Look to the actions,

444
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Speaker 3: not to the words, and because the actions tell us

445
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Speaker 3: the entire story, and the story is clear. Also, I

446
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Speaker 3: would show why the Iran that made the quote Miga

447
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Speaker 3: tweet is so damaging.

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Speaker 1: What did JD say in there? He said, we're not

449
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Speaker 1: at war with Iran? Bullsh whatever. All right, let's move

450
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Speaker 1: past that.

451
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Speaker 3: We're not at war with Iraq, not war with your

452
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Speaker 3: we're at war with their nuclear program.

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Speaker 1: Then we want to come to an agreement.

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Speaker 3: Now that agreement would be about this uranium stockpile, but

455
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Speaker 3: we don't even know where that is. This is I'm

456
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Speaker 3: telling you this is leak US intelligence officials, other officials. Iaea,

457
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Speaker 3: they're saying, we have no clue, we don't know where

458
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Speaker 3: it all went. Well, how do you get that? This

459
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Speaker 3: is basically like the same Iraq playbook. The whole reason

460
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Speaker 3: why boots on the ground and all that had to happen,

461
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Speaker 3: not just for a regime change. It was sold to

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Speaker 3: the American public as we have to go and secure

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Speaker 3: it ourselves.

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Speaker 1: What Israel's going to go and secure it? The great

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Speaker 1: geniuses and the IDF.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that you know some nineteen year old

467
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Speaker 3: reservists who have now spent two years just like happy

468
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Speaker 3: shooting around named Gaza are very proficient at being able

469
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Speaker 3: to No. Of course, it's be only the US military,

470
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Speaker 3: and we haven't even gotten into Iranian retaliation. But I

471
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Speaker 3: actually realized we hadn't even played that JD thing. So

472
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Speaker 3: just so you guys can take a listen and to

473
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Speaker 3: show how damaging the Make Iran Great Again Regime change

474
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Speaker 3: declaration was from Donald Trump. It directly undermines his alleged

475
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Speaker 3: policy and actually makes it clear what the real policy is.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Is the United States now at war with Iran?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 7: Kristen we're not at war with Iran. We're at war

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Speaker 7: with Iran's nuclear program. And let me just say Kristin

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Speaker 7: that we're incredibly grateful and proud of the American Air

482
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Speaker 7: Force pilots who did an incredible job last night. The

483
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Speaker 7: operation was really extraordinary. I certainly empathize with Americans who

484
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Speaker 7: are exhausted after twenty five years of foreign entanglements in

485
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Speaker 7: the Middle East. I understand the concern. But the difference

486
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Speaker 7: is that back then we had dumb presidents, and now

487
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Speaker 7: we have a president who actually knows how to accomplish

488
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Speaker 7: America's national security objectives. So this is not going to

489
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Speaker 7: be some long drawn out thing we've got in. We've

490
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Speaker 7: done the job of setting their nuclear program back. We're

491
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Speaker 7: going to now work to permanently dismantle that nuclear program

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Speaker 7: over the coming years. And that is what the President

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Speaker 7: has set out to do.

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Speaker 3: You could see clear he said that's what the president.

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Speaker 3: And also you know, oh, we had dumb presidents or

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Speaker 3: whatever in the past. I mean, if that's the level

497
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Speaker 3: of argumentation that we've been reduced to, it again comes

498
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Speaker 3: back to trust Trump. You should not trust Trump, by

499
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Speaker 3: the way, And this is the other thing. The neogons

500
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Speaker 3: didn't trust Trump when when Steve wickcoff and it looked

501
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Speaker 3: like negotiations and all of that would happened. What were

502
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Speaker 3: they doing? They were like, he's a Katari trader, you

503
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Speaker 3: know all this. Mark Levin was on TV. He say,

504
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Speaker 3: mister President, you got to abandon this policy. They didn't

505
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Speaker 3: trust him. They were thorn in his side and they won.

506
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Speaker 3: That's why because it was an overwhelming pressure campaign. Now

507
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Speaker 3: look again, Trump's intentions will never truly know what all

508
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Speaker 3: of this is. But at a certain point it really

509
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter again because of the actions. So where things

510
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Speaker 3: stand as of some what thirty six hours post strike

511
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Speaker 3: are very clear is the four Dah facility. In others

512
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Speaker 3: they appear to be quote severely damaged. We do not

513
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Speaker 3: yet know where the stockpile is. We do have current

514
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Speaker 3: indications that the Israelis continue their regime change operations. We

515
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Speaker 3: have Donald Trump himself who has declared regime change is

516
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Speaker 3: a possibility that he'd be very okay with, if not

517
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Speaker 3: wanting to affect. And we have all of the all

518
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Speaker 3: of the pieces in place to continue more air strikes

519
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Speaker 3: on Iran, if not a call for some sort of

520
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Speaker 3: US intervention and all of this is before the Uranians

521
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Speaker 3: have even responded to the United States, which of course

522
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Speaker 3: is an open possibility, a dangerous one, and looks all

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Speaker 3: the more.

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Speaker 6: Likely right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. So let's move to the indications there.

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Speaker 2: We just got word this morning from Katar. Let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 2: This is from the State Department. They say, out of

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Speaker 2: an abundance of caution, we recommend American citizens shelter in

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Speaker 2: place until further notice. So some dire indications there are

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Speaker 2: coming out of the State Department. Let's go and put

533
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Speaker 2: this next piece up on the screen there. This is

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Speaker 2: a seven guys coming out of the Times of Israel.

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Speaker 2: So they're claiming Yahoo has some interesting intel on the

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Speaker 2: whereabouts of iron sixty percent enriched uranium. What do you

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Speaker 2: make of this piece, sager A, you buy this?

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Speaker 3: No, of course I don't buy it, because look, I mean,

539
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Speaker 3: they can claim whatever they would like. It's clear that

540
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Speaker 3: their military didn't actually be up to the job, and

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Speaker 3: they knew it from the very beginning. They knew from

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Speaker 3: day one they would never actually be able to destroy

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Speaker 3: the nuclear program. And that's part of the reason why again,

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Speaker 3: look at the actions, guys. This is all out in

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Speaker 3: the open. They're openly striking regime targets and oil and

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Speaker 3: gas facilities.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, have been from day one. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's why all the strikes in Tehran. Those are not

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Speaker 2: nuclear facilities. So this has been and it's so important

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Speaker 2: to emphasize the point Sager is making because they want

551
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Speaker 2: to sell you this is about Iran's nuclear program, and

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Speaker 2: that's the way they'll keep dragging. Oh, we actually didn't

553
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Speaker 2: completely obliterate fourto Oh yeah, there's this new site. Oh

554
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Speaker 2: they moved in rich uranium. Now we got to do more.

555
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Speaker 2: Now we've got to do more, and now we got.

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Speaker 4: To do more.

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Speaker 2: And you just keep inching forward. And I mean Trump

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Speaker 2: at this point is just like completely said, all right,

559
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Speaker 2: well we need regime change, I guess. And that's the

560
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Speaker 2: truth of the matter is even if you keep it

561
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Speaker 2: at we have to make sure that they can't get

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Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon, you can't ensure that. There's literally no

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Speaker 2: way to actually guarantee that. The best path they were

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Speaker 2: on was the diplomatic one back with the JCPOA and

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Speaker 2: the negotiations that are going on the beginning of this

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Speaker 2: Trump administration where it's like, Okay, we're going to give

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Speaker 2: you sanctions relief, and you're going to agree not to

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Speaker 2: pursue a weapon, and we're going to have, you know,

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Speaker 2: an inspection regime that can give us some sort of

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Speaker 2: comfort that that's not happening. But what the Hawks are

571
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Speaker 2: going to say is, well, you really can't guarantee it

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Speaker 2: until we have some sort of puppet regime in there

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Speaker 2: that we can just control. So that's the way that

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Speaker 2: this logic ultimately works.

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Speaker 3: Let's put AA please up on the screen. This is

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Speaker 3: arguably the most important indication that's you come out of Iran.

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Speaker 3: We'll contextualized for you. The Iranian parliament has reportedly backed

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Speaker 3: closing the strace of our moves obviously, which could spike

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Speaker 3: the price of oil where what is its thirty forty

580
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Speaker 3: percent of the world's oil moves through, very very important for.

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Speaker 1: The Chinese economy.

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Speaker 3: Now again, just to explain here what the Iranian parliament did,

583
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Speaker 3: and there are several different parts of the government. It's

584
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Speaker 3: not exactly a parliamentary democracy, okay, there are many different bodies.

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Speaker 1: They all report up to the Ayatola.

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Speaker 3: Effectively, what they said is they have approved the closing

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Speaker 3: of the straits of our moves if the Ayatola and

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Speaker 3: the National Security Council of Iran decide to do so.

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Speaker 3: So they're not saying that they're going to do it. It's

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Speaker 3: effectively like a declaration of war from Congress saying, hey,

591
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Speaker 3: if you want to declare war, you can and then

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Speaker 3: it's up to the discretionary authority of the executive So

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Speaker 3: in a way, they actually followed the process more than

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Speaker 3: our own president did whenever he launched a war. Kind

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Speaker 3: of ironic conviously, but what it does tell you is

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Speaker 3: that is the nightmare scenario. It's one that US officials

597
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Speaker 3: have said would be suicidal. It almost certainly would. It

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Speaker 3: would lead to the massive basically a massive involvement of

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Speaker 3: the United States Navy. It would obviously shock the world's

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Speaker 3: oil prices. It would be a devastating blow to the

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Speaker 3: Chinese economy. It would just be absolute mass chaos. It's

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Speaker 3: something that they have the ability to do, to mine

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Speaker 3: if they want to, and to close along with the

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Speaker 3: who these as well, to try and put more pressure,

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Speaker 3: you know, on US and other shipping assets that are

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Speaker 3: all throughout the region. But the point really stands is

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Speaker 3: that they have a lot of optionality right now.

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Speaker 1: They're looking all across the world.

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Speaker 3: By the way, another reason why that Qatar thing is

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Speaker 3: so significant is it's not about US citizens, guitar. It's

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Speaker 3: about the fact we have a massive air base in Qatar.

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Speaker 3: Now reportedly a lot of the US assets were taken

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Speaker 3: out of that at the beginning. But this was always

614
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Speaker 3: a big nightmare is that that airbase is very strategic.

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Speaker 3: It was a key staging point for US troops for

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Speaker 3: logistics wise, during the war in Iraq. There's thousands of

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Speaker 3: American service members that are not just there, but also

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Speaker 3: in the region Bahrain. You have the fifth Fleet and

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Speaker 3: you have US two carrier strike groups that are there

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Speaker 3: as well. Put that together, I mean with Iraq and

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Speaker 3: with Syria, there are so many different vectors through which

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Speaker 3: they could attack the United States, US assets, American citizens

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Speaker 3: if they wanted to. That is the danger. Now are

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Speaker 3: they going to decide to do that? You know, the

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Speaker 3: Americans have basically said that's going to be suicidal. Again,

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Speaker 3: I asked for strategic empathy. If somebody said that diplomacy

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Speaker 3: with you is a ruse, and if somebody said, will

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Speaker 3: we strike your facilities?

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Speaker 1: But that's it no more.

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Speaker 3: And then the president, the chief decider, comes out and says, actually,

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Speaker 3: it's about regime change.

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Speaker 1: What would you do?

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Speaker 3: And also, we're not dealing with the most rational actors

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Speaker 3: here because the Ayatola is eighty six years old. I've

635
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Speaker 3: been reading a lot about the Ayatola, and this is

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Speaker 3: a guy who basically staked his entire security doctrine on

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Speaker 3: nuclear ambitions as a deterrent that has collapsed literally around him.

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Speaker 3: The country is more precarious today than at any point

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Speaker 3: since nineteen seventy nine, and in his vision, at any

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Speaker 3: points since than fifties during the restoration of the Shah.

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Speaker 3: So he doesn't have anything to live for anymore except

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Speaker 3: for his own legacy. It's not that hard, even at

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Speaker 3: a rational level, take religion and all this other stuff

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Speaker 3: out of it, to say we're going to fight to

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Speaker 3: the death. He's a decider, he's the person who makes

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Speaker 3: these decisions, and they're all kinds of people inside the

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Speaker 3: Iranian regime who want to fight.

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Speaker 1: At this point feel humiliated.

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Speaker 3: There has been a massive rally around the flag in

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Speaker 3: Tehran and all across the country. And in fact, if

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Speaker 3: there is a regime change, you know, he said and

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Speaker 3: already designated his successor. But let's say the Mullas are

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Speaker 3: thrown out of power. The most likely, from what I

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Speaker 3: can tell and have read, it would not be democratic.

655
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Speaker 3: It would be some secular nationalist IRGC type figure who

656
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Speaker 3: would sprint towards a bomb to say, we will never

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Speaker 3: let this happen to our country again. This is a

658
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Speaker 3: bad scenario. And of course they have access to chemical,

659
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Speaker 3: biological weapons. They got the ballistic missiles program.

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Speaker 1: We don't know.

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Speaker 3: Israel claims to have destroyed half of it. We'll see,

662
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Speaker 3: doesn't look like that from Tel Aviv, I can tell.

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Speaker 1: You that right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's you know, this is why you know,

665
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Speaker 3: the triumphalists are like, it's just about the strike.

666
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Speaker 1: They're like, how why are you guys bedwetting so much?

667
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Speaker 3: I mean, how have you not learned about the fortieth

668
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Speaker 3: consequences at this point?

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Speaker 1: And it's not at the one.

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Speaker 3: Look, the US strikes on Libya were successful, right, It

671
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Speaker 3: took seven months for that country to go to shit.

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Speaker 1: Gaddafi was killed in October.

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Speaker 3: We started seven months before that, and actually the country

674
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Speaker 3: didn't really collapse until twenty fourteen. The Iraqi Civil War

675
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Speaker 3: didn't start really hot until two thousand and five, two

676
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Speaker 3: thousand and six Afghanistan, the Taliban didn't rise for two

677
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Speaker 3: to three years. Everybody had their mission accomplished moment. And

678
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Speaker 3: it happens every time the West wins the opening because

679
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Speaker 3: it's about sheer military strength, and then the strategic and

680
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Speaker 3: the political question, which we never think about from the beginning,

681
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Speaker 3: collapses and then what happens.

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Speaker 1: We have to get more involved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Iranians are fighting an existential battle for

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Speaker 2: their country. Like that is a difficult Like we couldn't

685
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Speaker 2: even defeat the Houfies, Like let's be.

686
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Speaker 1: From the air. We can do it on the ground. Yeah,

687
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Speaker 1: if we want to want that, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So in any case, let's put this this as unbelievable.

689
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Speaker 2: This next piece, but the sub one is screened from CNBC.

690
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Speaker 2: So the US is apparently calling on China to prevent

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Speaker 2: a run from closing the strait of hormones and disrupting

692
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Speaker 2: global oil flows. So we're like, you know, have created

693
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Speaker 2: this likely consequence or potential consequence, and now we're begging

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Speaker 2: the Chinese to rescue us from the potential implications of

695
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Speaker 2: our own actions. You know, this is something I want

696
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Speaker 2: to talk more to Meerscheimer about because Chinese get more

697
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: a much larger percentage of their oil comes through the

698
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Speaker 2: straight up hormoes than ours. However, there are some other

699
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Speaker 2: possible ways to ship oil other than through the straight

700
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Speaker 2: of war moves from Iran. So I'm just like, I'm

701
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Speaker 2: just very skeptical at this point. You know, we heard

702
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Speaker 2: all these economic projections about how the sanctions on Russia

703
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Speaker 2: would just be utterly devastating to their economy and they

704
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Speaker 2: couldn't possibly survive, and that turned out not to be

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Speaker 2: the case. So at this point, I'm just all of

706
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Speaker 2: the like economic fallout predictions of how this will be

707
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Speaker 2: completely devastating to Chinese, the Chinese economy. I just want

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Speaker 2: to learn more and I want to see more before

709
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Speaker 2: I take people at their word that that would actually

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Speaker 2: be the case. We also had the Foreign Minister of

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Speaker 2: Iran making comments saying that the US has blown through

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Speaker 2: every red line, which I think is a pretty reasonable

713
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Speaker 2: thing frankly to say at this point, Let's go ahead

714
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Speaker 2: and take a listen to a little bit of what

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Speaker 2: he had to say.

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Speaker 1: In the wake of these strikes, the.

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Speaker 11: United States showed that they have no respect to United

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Speaker 11: Nations Charter. They have no respect to international law. They

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Speaker 11: have no respect to any international law regarding you know,

720
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Speaker 11: managing the board and facing challenges of the bold. There

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Speaker 11: is no red line that they have not crossed. And

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Speaker 11: the last one and the most dangerous one, was happened

723
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Speaker 11: only last night when they crossed a very big red

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Speaker 11: line by attacking nuclear facilities. I don't know how much

725
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Speaker 11: room is left for diplomacy. We are now calculating the damages.

726
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Speaker 11: And as I said, the damages are not only for

727
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Speaker 11: our nuclear facilities. The damages are or the United Nations Charter.

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Speaker 11: It was not only Iran's facilities which was bombed, It

729
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Speaker 11: was also the United Nations Charter. It was also non

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Speaker 11: prolifashion regime and NPT which was bombed last the Americans,

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Speaker 11: And it was the rule of law and international law

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Speaker 11: which was bombed.

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Speaker 2: That part about how we you know, figuratively bombed the

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Speaker 2: Nonplar River Proliferation Treaty is actually really accurate because many countries,

735
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Speaker 2: not just to run, many countries are going to look

736
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Speaker 2: at our actions and be like, oh, well, they're not

737
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Speaker 2: messing with North Korea. But I see what happened to Olivia.

738
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Speaker 2: I see what happened to Iran. So what kind of

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Speaker 2: logic does that create around the world. There's just no

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Speaker 2: doubt about that at this point. Put a thirteen up

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Speaker 2: on the screen just in terms of, you know, potential

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Speaker 2: retaliation that we're watching.

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Speaker 4: This was an Iranian.

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Speaker 2: State TV broadcaster who was showing on the map all

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Speaker 2: the location of US bases throughout the region, of which

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Speaker 2: there are many. And what sager is some fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: US troops stationed throughout the region, all of them at risk,

748
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Speaker 2: all of them in danger. Now they don't have an

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Speaker 2: iron dome or David's Sling or an aerosystem to protect

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Speaker 2: them on those bases in the nearby region. And lastly,

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Speaker 2: put a fourteen up on the screen. We're going to

752
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Speaker 2: talk more about this, all this sleeper cell talk in

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Speaker 2: the media block, but the US Environment of State issued

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Speaker 2: an urgent warning to all American citizens to exercise caution

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Speaker 2: due to the ongoing conflict between Israel and Iran. And

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Speaker 2: they really are pushing this idea here domestic lea sager

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Speaker 2: that there's these you know, Iranian sleeper cells that may

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Speaker 2: leap into action at any moment, and I would just be.

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Speaker 4: Highly skeptical, highly skeptical.

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Speaker 2: Of those claims because I mean, this is the way

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Speaker 2: that they want to bring the war home and create

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Speaker 2: some sort of a justification. So people feel like.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you know, maybe we don't want war, but we

764
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Speaker 4: got to act.

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Speaker 2: There's these sleeper cells here, and I'm terrified that we're

766
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Speaker 2: going to be next. So that's kind of where we

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Speaker 2: are as we're waiting to see Ballaz and Aran's court

768
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Speaker 2: of what they're going to do next.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're old enough, you can remember the terror

770
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Speaker 3: levels already. We're at security threat level red. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm twelve years old all over.

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Speaker 2: I feel so old watching this all unfold again, I

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Speaker 2: feel so old.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to Scott Horton and he's standing by.

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Speaker 3: We're very excited now to be joined by Scott Horton.

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Speaker 3: He is the director of the Libertarian Institute, author of Provoked,

778
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Speaker 3: a fantastic book, and a great friend of the show.

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Speaker 1: Scott, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 6: Thank you both very much for having.

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Speaker 3: Me absolutely, I mean, such an expert. Here is particularly

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Speaker 3: what we wanted to talk about with you, Scott is

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Speaker 3: uranium enrichment the claims of the United States, where things

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Speaker 3: stand now, in particular, where things may go, you know,

786
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Speaker 3: with these US strikes on Iran, let's start here with JD.

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Speaker 3: Vans asked specifically about the Iranian stockpile of uranium, effectively

788
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Speaker 3: admitting that the stockpile itself was not hit and what

789
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Speaker 3: that means for the future.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna play it. We're gonna get your reaction. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen.

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Speaker 7: We feel very confident that the four Dau nuclear site

793
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Speaker 7: was substantially set back, and that.

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Speaker 6: Was our goal.

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Speaker 7: The UN's Atomic Energy watchdog said that Iran had nine

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Speaker 7: hundred pounds of highly enriched uranium.

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Speaker 6: What do we know what has become of that? Was

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Speaker 6: it destroyed in this attack? Do we know.

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Speaker 7: That's a big star work in the coming weeks. Yeah, John,

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Speaker 7: We're going to work in the coming weeks to ensure

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Speaker 7: that we do something with that fuel, and that's one

802
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Speaker 7: of the things that we're going to have conversations with

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Speaker 7: the Uranians about. But what we know, John, is they

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Speaker 7: no longer have the capacity to turn that stockpile of

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Speaker 7: highly enriched uranium to weapons grade uranium. That was really

806
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Speaker 7: the goal here. Uranium is not that difficult to come by, John,

807
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Speaker 7: But enriching uranium up to the point of a nuclear weapon,

808
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Speaker 7: that is what the President put a stop to last night.

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Speaker 1: Scott.

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Speaker 3: Can you just react to that, because now the claim

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Speaker 3: is is that the stockpile itself was not destroyed, possibly

812
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Speaker 3: for a further pretext of US involvement, but maybe even

813
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Speaker 3: take the audience back a bit further as to what

814
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Speaker 3: all of this enriched uranium stuff even means and why

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Speaker 3: it really was a pretext and not a real reason

816
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Speaker 3: for the US to strike them right.

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Speaker 6: Now, Yeah, well that's absolutely right.

818
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Speaker 5: So to start with the latest, they are more likely

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Speaker 5: to break out toward a nuclear weapon now, which is

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Speaker 5: what those of us on the anti warst side have

821
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Speaker 5: been saying for twenty years. Here, what Iran has is

822
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Speaker 5: a latent nuclear deterrent. They mastered the fuel cycle back

823
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Speaker 5: in two thousand and five. That is, they proved that

824
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Speaker 5: they knew how to enrich uranium to whatever percent. Now

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Speaker 5: they need three point six percent for their electricity program,

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Speaker 5: and they need a little bit of twenty percent for

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Speaker 5: their isotope reactors. But otherwise, the war Party is as

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Speaker 5: a kernel of truth when they say, and you know,

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Speaker 5: how they do it.

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Speaker 6: They always make it.

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Speaker 5: A rhetorical question, Well, what do they need with all

832
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Speaker 5: that sixty percent enriched uranium.

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Speaker 6: Well there's a.

834
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Speaker 5: Real answer to that, other than they're on their way

835
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Speaker 5: to making nuclear weapons. Of course, they could have enriched

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Speaker 5: up to ninety plus percent all along. They enriched up

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Speaker 5: to sixty percent as a bargaining chit to negotiate away

838
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Speaker 5: in order to try to get the sanctions lifted and

839
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Speaker 5: try to get the United States back in the deal.

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Speaker 5: It's the same thing they did in the Obama years,

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Speaker 5: And of course it was in response to Israeli assassinations

842
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Speaker 5: of their nuclear scientists and attacks on their personnel in

843
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Speaker 5: Syria and things that caused them to go ahead after

844
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Speaker 5: Trump withdrew from the deal in twenty eighteen, and go

845
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Speaker 5: ahead and start enriching up to twenty again and then

846
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Speaker 5: eventually up to sixty percent. Now you'll hear every hawk

847
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Speaker 5: on every show say, oh my god, sixty percent uranium.

848
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Speaker 5: And then what they're betting on is that the audience

849
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Speaker 5: doesn't know anything about it. What you're telling them is

850
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Speaker 5: nuclear scary, be afraid, and we stop the thing. Brump

851
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Speaker 5: was asked, but Tulca Gabbert says they weren't breaking out

852
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Speaker 5: toward a nuclear weapon, and he said, well, I don't

853
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Speaker 5: care what she said. They were getting close to one

854
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Speaker 5: or something. He said, Kookie Tucker Carlson needs to understand

855
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Speaker 5: that Iran can't have a bomb.

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Speaker 6: So what's implied there, heavily, of course, is.

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Speaker 5: That Iran was making a bomb and that we stop

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Speaker 5: them from making a bomb.

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Speaker 6: But that's just not true at all.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I'm not trying to be you know,

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Speaker 5: convince anyone that to be naive. As I said, it

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Speaker 5: already was a latent nuclear weapons to turn in a sense.

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Speaker 5: But what it also is is their civilian energy program.

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Speaker 5: And you know, any economists could explain why it might

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Speaker 5: make sense for Ron to burn their domestic supply of

866
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Speaker 5: uranium and sell their oil on the world market if

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Speaker 5: they can, And so this is, you know, the main

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Speaker 5: part of it. On the other hand, it also is

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Speaker 5: just like Brazil and Germany and Japan, where they've proven

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Speaker 5: they mastered the fuel cycle and they could make atomic

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Speaker 5: bombs if pushed to it.

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Speaker 6: So it's sort of like saying.

873
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 5: I have a revolver in one pocket and some bullets

874
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 5: in the other. Lets you and me not get into

875
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 5: a fistfight, and then that way this thing won't escalate.

876
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 5: That's essentially been their stance our whole twenty first century long.

877
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 6: Here to go back to w. Bush, he put them

878
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 6: in the axis of evil.

879
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 5: Just think about what a cynical lie this is that

880
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 5: the Ayatola, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, and Kim Jong

881
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 5: il are all in on it together, working against you

882
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 5: right as absolute total hoax. Well Saddam said, my books

883
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 5: are wide open, here's my twelve thousand page dossier.

884
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 6: I'm not doing anything.

885
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 5: And they just buffaloed right in there based on a

886
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 5: bunch of lies and got it done anyway. The neo

887
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 5: conservatives got it done in North Korea. Bush and Bolton

888
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 5: bullied them out of the no obroliferation Treaty.

889
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 6: They went ahead and made nuclear weapons. Nobody's messed with

890
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 6: them since.

891
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 5: But what the Supreme Leader did was the Supreme Leader

892
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 5: in Iran, the Ayahtola, said here's what we're going to do.

893
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 5: We're going to open our books. It's wide open. We're

894
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 5: going to stay in the NPT. We have a safeguards

895
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 5: agreement with the IAEA, and they can verify the non

896
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 5: diversion of any nuclear material from our civilian program to

897
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 5: any military purpose, which is exactly what they've done. And

898
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 5: the only reason Obama even needed to do the deal

899
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 5: in twenty fifteen was because essentially, the world led by Israel,

900
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 5: or the West led by Israel, we're essentially just pretending

901
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 5: the MPT didn't exist, pretending that Iran didn't already have

902
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 5: a safeguards agreement with the IAEA, and the Israelis were

903
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 5: threatening an aggressive war then, and Obama felt it was necessary.

904
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 5: And I'm not taking Obama's side for people who don't

905
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 5: know me. I hate the Democrats more than anyone hates

906
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 5: the Democrats. If I'm just telling you, this is the

907
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 5: true history of the world here is Obama made a

908
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 5: deal where they would severely restrict their program, they would

909
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 5: expand the inspections regime, and in exchange, we would lift

910
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 5: sanctions and give them some of their own money back.

911
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 5: That Palada cash was money that Jimmy Carter had stolen

912
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 5: from them during the revolution in nineteen seventy nine. John

913
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 5: Carey has just given some of that back in exchange.

914
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 5: They poured concrete into their rock. That's aarak a rock,

915
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 5: heavy water reactor. They severely restricted the number of centrifuges

916
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 5: spinning at the tense by I think two thirds. They

917
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 5: converted the Florido facility to research only rather than uranium

918
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 5: and enrich uranium production. And they expanded the inspections regime

919
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 5: where America and our allies on the UN Security Council

920
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 5: we have the majority. It's America, Britain in France versus

921
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 5: Russian China. Unlike a normal Security Council resolution, Russian China

922
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 5: couldn't veto it.

923
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 6: It was majority rules. Under this deal.

924
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 5: If we want to inspect even non nuclear sites, we can,

925
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 5: as long as we have some plausible reason to do so,

926
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 5: and submit the request in a reasonable amount of time

927
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 5: and so forth. There's no way that they can have

928
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 5: a secret nuclear weapons program and then smuggle it out

929
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 5: the back door before inspectors arrive, or whatever this.

930
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 6: Kind of thing. So the.

931
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 5: Deal of twenty fifteen was engineered so that Iran, if

932
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 5: they withdrew from the NPT, and if they kicked the

933
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 5: inspectors out of the country and beat their chests and

934
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 5: said now we're making nukes, it would take them a

935
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 5: year to make one. And by the way, as long

936
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 5: as you're let me ramble on here. Let me explain

937
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 5: real quick too, that you cannot miniatureize a uranium bomb. Yes,

938
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 5: uranium bombs are virtually always a gun type nuke like

939
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 5: fat Man that they dropped on Hiroshima, which is essentially

940
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 5: a giant shotgun inside that bomb, firing a highly enriched

941
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 5: weapons grade enriched uranium slug into a target of the

942
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 5: same that causes the supercritical reaction. They didn't even test

943
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 5: that bomb. It's nineteen forties technology, simple stuff. They didn't

944
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 5: test that. The Trinity test was of the Nagasaki bomb,

945
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 5: which was a plutonium implosion bomb. That's the kind of

946
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 5: bomb that can be miniaturized and married to a missile. However,

947
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 5: Uranians have no plutonium root to the bomb because even

948
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 5: though they still do have one heavy water reactor at

949
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 5: Boucher and it produces plutonium waste, they do not have

950
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 5: the facility required to reprocess that waste get the impurities

951
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: out to make it possible to use for weapons fuel.

952
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 6: And under the JCPOA, which they're still in.

953
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 5: This part of it with the Russians is that every

954
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 5: two or three years or so, this shut down the

955
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 5: reactor and the Russians will come and get all the

956
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 5: plutonium waste and take it away. So their plutonium route

957
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 5: to the bomb did not exist at all, and their

958
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 5: uranium route to the bomb was delayed for at least

959
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 5: one year, and then as I say, at the end

960
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 5: of that year, they would have had enough to make

961
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 5: one bomb with, but then no way to deliver it

962
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 5: other than slapping on the back of a flatbed truck

963
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 5: or something like that. Still would essentially be you know,

964
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 5: the most base, the most minimum of nuclear deterrent. And

965
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 5: it's you know, and I'll wrap up with this is

966
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 5: that it's clear from all of the reporting here nothing changed.

967
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 5: The only one in opposition that is Israeli intelligence claims

968
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 5: that something changed, but American intelligence has not verified that

969
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 5: at all. The only thing that changed was Trump made

970
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 5: up a sixty day deadline and then the Iranians went

971
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 5: past it, and he was on this absolute redline, deal

972
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 5: killer that they can have no enrichment in the country

973
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 5: at all whatsoever. Back to what Jadie Vance was saying there,

974
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 5: essentially equating them having the capability to enrich with progress

975
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 5: toward a nuclear weapon and claiming that that was what

976
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 5: we stopped. But it's just it's no more sincere than

977
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 5: Bill Clinton and Kosovo, or George Bush in a rock

978
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 5: or Afghanistan, or Barack Obama in Libya or Syria or

979
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 5: any of the US or Yemen, any of these things.

980
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 5: It's always just hoax after hoax with these people and

981
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 5: their worst.

982
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk a little bit more about that, because

983
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: they've got a little bit of a propaganda issue, given

984
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: the fact that Tulca Gabbard was at the end of

985
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: March came out saying very clearly, the American intelligence community

986
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: does not believe that Iron is pursuing a weapon, and

987
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: so now we're supposed to believe, just some months later

988
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: that this has suddenly completely changed, and so much so

989
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: that we need to get involved in what Trump is

990
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: now admitting maybe a regime change operation. Of course, we've

991
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: all seen from the beginning that the nukes were pretexts

992
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: and this was in fact a regime change operation. Let

993
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: me get your reaction to Secretary of State Marco Rubio, say,

994
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: being pressed on this, you know this question of okay,

995
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: well are they pursuing a nuclear bombs? Since that is

996
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: your pretext, Let's go ahead and take a listen to

997
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: how he.

998
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 12: Responds on a phrase you just word weaponization ambitions. Are

999
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 12: you saying there that the United States did not see

1000
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 12: intelligence that the Supreme Leader had ordered weaponization.

1001
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 8: That's irrelevant. I think that question being asked in the media.

1002
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 8: That's an irrelevant question.

1003
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 12: That is point in US intelligence assessment. You know that's

1004
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 12: not yes, it was, that's the political decision.

1005
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 8: Well I know that better than you know that, and

1006
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 8: I know that that's not the case.

1007
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 4: But whether the order was given.

1008
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 8: And the people who say that it doesn't matter if

1009
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 8: the order was given, they have everything they need to

1010
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 8: build nuclear weapons. Why would you bury Why would you

1011
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 8: bury things in a mountain three hundred feet under the ground.

1012
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 8: Why would you bury six Why do they have sixty

1013
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 8: percent in enrich uranium? You need sixty percent and rich.

1014
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 8: You are the only countries in the world that have

1015
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 8: uranium at sixty percent? Are countries that have nuclear weapons

1016
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 8: because it can quickly make it ninety They have all

1017
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 8: the elements they have. Why why do they have a

1018
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 8: space program? Is a ron going to go to the moon? No,

1019
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 8: they're trying to build an ICBM.

1020
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 4: No, But that's a question.

1021
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 12: That's a question, that's a question of intent. And you

1022
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 12: know in the intelligence assessment that it was that Iran

1023
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 12: wanted to.

1024
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: Be a threshold.

1025
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 4: See you use thos.

1026
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 12: I'm talking on what the intelligence is, March assessment, and

1027
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 12: that's why I was asking you if you know something

1028
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 12: more from it.

1029
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 8: That's also an inaccurate representation of it. That's inaccurate representation

1030
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 8: of it. That's not how intelligence is read. That's now

1031
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 8: how intelligence is used. Here's what the whole world knows.

1032
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 8: Forget about intelligence, what the IAEA knows. They are enriching

1033
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 8: uranium well beyond anything you need.

1034
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 6: For a for a for a civil nuclear program.

1035
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: Scott, your your reaction to that propaganda effort, I.

1036
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 5: Mean, anyone ought to be able to just see right

1037
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 5: through that the only countries that have sixty percent uranium

1038
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 5: are countries that have nuclear bombs. Really is he's saying

1039
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 5: you can make a bomb out of sixty percent uranium.

1040
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 5: Is he's saying that any nuclear weapons stay in the

1041
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 5: world as they're arsenal made out of uranium bombs rather

1042
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 5: than plutonium implosion bombs.

1043
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 6: And he's simply bluffing.

1044
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 5: And Marco Ruby, I'm glad he hired Marco Little Marco

1045
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 5: for the job actually, because you could see right through

1046
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 5: the guy.

1047
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 6: He's just as transparent as could be.

1048
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 5: He's got Miriam Adelson's hand right up his rear and

1049
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 5: moving his lips for him. He's not really a human man, right,

1050
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 5: He's like a corporate mascot, like Tony the Tiger or

1051
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 5: you know, Ronald McDonald or something.

1052
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 6: He's sitting there.

1053
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 5: His job is to lie to you so that you'll

1054
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 5: be confused and let him commit horrific sins on behalf

1055
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 5: of a foreign power.

1056
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but then one of the things that

1057
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: really scott there is about what you said about the

1058
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: capability is confusing capability with intention, and that intention, again,

1059
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: according to US intelligence, did not exist. I can back

1060
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: you up as well. You know, I reported over the weekend.

1061
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: I spoke with senior US intelligence official, people with the

1062
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: highest level who saw it, and they said, no, there

1063
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: has been no change whatsoever in the iatola or the

1064
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: Iranian higher commands decision making on whether to build a

1065
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: nuclear bomb or not. And so I really want to

1066
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 3: just end on that note with you. Here is specifically

1067
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 3: about how the logic of nuclearization has never made more

1068
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 3: sense than today because what has happened is that Israel,

1069
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: with impunity, is allowed to just come in and bomb

1070
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 3: the shit out of your entire regime, basically target your

1071
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: oil and gas facilities. The United States has the ability

1072
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 3: to come in and to blow up all.

1073
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: Your nuclear enrichment.

1074
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: It has never made more sense for them to have

1075
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: a nuclear detern than right now instead of trying to

1076
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: pursue some sort of deal. When the President himself also says, actually,

1077
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 3: regime change, that's totally cool and fine with me.

1078
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: Why would they want to do anything else?

1079
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 5: I mean, and looka this very well could be the

1080
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 5: absolute death of the Non Proliferation Treaty.

1081
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 6: The nuclear weapons.

1082
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 5: States have never lived up to their promise to disarm

1083
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 5: signed in there, of course, although America and Russia did

1084
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: come way down from tens of thousands of nukes each,

1085
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 5: but still, and then here's you have a nuclear weapons

1086
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 5: state Israel that's not a member of the Nonpoliferation Treaty

1087
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 5: acting in concert with the United States the world Empire.

1088
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 6: That's a total violation of it.

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Speaker 5: Attacking a non nuclear weapon state signatory to the NPT

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Speaker 5: over their civilian program. That again, you hear Vanka Rubio

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Speaker 5: ben and over backwards trying to figure out how to

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00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 5: get you to conflate it with something scary that again

1093
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 5: was nothing but a latent program. At the time, we

1094
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 5: had the perfect basis for a standoff. I'm not saying

1095
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 5: I endorsed this. I'm a total non interventionist here. But

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Speaker 5: they were saying if you attack us, or they were

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Speaker 5: heavily implying, if you attack us, we might just make

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Speaker 5: a nuke, and our side was saying, don't make a nuke,

1099
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Speaker 5: or we'll attack you.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well great.

1101
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 5: They could have just left it at that for Trump

1102
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Speaker 5: to have, you know, bowed down essentially to pressure. There

1103
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Speaker 5: were you might remember some wiggle words a couple few

1104
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 5: weeks ago about well, maybe we could allow some enrichment

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00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 5: on some limited basis under some sort of compromise, maybe

1106
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 5: even do a consortium with the Saudi's and enriched together

1107
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 5: some kind of thing. They were trying to be flexible

1108
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 5: for a minute there, and then the lobby came down

1109
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 5: hard and said no enrichment at all, which, of course

1110
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Speaker 5: the ayah Tola was never going to give into.

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Speaker 6: So they were just setting us up for this war.

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Speaker 5: But I'll encourage your audience to pay very close attention

1113
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Speaker 5: to people like Marco Rubio and for that matter, of

1114
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 5: the rest of the pundits and whatever out echoing the

1115
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 5: war party talking points. And you'll notice this distinct lack

1116
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 5: of clarity when it comes down to exactly what was

1117
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 5: going on here. There's a lot of implication that's essentially

1118
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 5: relying on people's ignorance that if they say nuclear this exactly.

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Speaker 6: You know, it was the focus groups that learned this

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Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety.

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00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 5: People didn't really want to go liberate the weight and

1122
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 5: reinstall His Highness the King al Jaber to the throne

1123
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Speaker 5: there until they did. They got people at the mall

1124
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 5: and they sat them down in focus groups. As soon

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00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 5: as they said nuclear, people said, okay, I guess we

1126
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 5: got to go. And then they use that same lesson

1127
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 5: for Rockward two. And of course they're doing the same

1128
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 5: thing here because they know that most people didn't study

1129
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 5: hard sciences in college and stuff. We don't know about

1130
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 5: uranium this and that, and so they can try to

1131
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 5: just make it sound scary and say, listen, we can't wait.

1132
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 5: Remember this was the line Colly's, Rice, George Bush, and

1133
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 5: Colon Powell all three said, we can't wait for the

1134
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 5: proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud.

1135
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 6: So you and your Mama better just stay scared and

1136
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 6: let us do what we want.

1137
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

1138
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Speaker 2: No, that is all so absolutely correct, And I mean,

1139
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: in a way I appreciate Trump setting out that true

1140
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: socials saying like, eh, maybe it is regime change, so

1141
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: we can all drop the pretense here, because I've never

1142
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: seen polling that is so wildly apart depending on how

1143
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: you frame the question, because you're absolutely right. If you

1144
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 2: say to people like Iran's pursuing a nuclear weapon, should we,

1145
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: you know, go in surgical strike their nuclear facilities to

1146
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: prevent them? Guess what you get a lot of people

1147
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: will say yeah, sure, because that also feels costless and limited,

1148
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: and like, oh, there's this big scary threat and we

1149
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: can just take it out easily if you're going too right.

1150
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: If you ask people, I know, one of the questions

1151
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 2: asked should we get involved in the war between Iran

1152
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: and Israel?

1153
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 4: And people like, hell no, why would we do that?

1154
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 2: And I've yet to even see the question asked should

1155
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 2: we get involved in a regime change war with Iran,

1156
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: which is of course what we are in at this point,

1157
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: But I have no doubt the polling on that would

1158
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 2: be absolutely abysmal, which is why to your point, Scott,

1159
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: it matters so much how you frame these questions and

1160
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: how you clarify for the American people what is actually

1161
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: happening here and what the President has actually put us into,

1162
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: which is a regime change war.

1163
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 4: It is already underway. It is happening right now.

1164
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Speaker 6: Agree, and look, even in regards to we don't know.

1165
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 5: The secret councils of these people, but just on the

1166
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 5: most basic level, this is what Harry Brown said is

1167
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 5: government doesn't work. They fail upwards. The worst things are,

1168
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 5: the better it is for them. And so everything, by

1169
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 5: their logic is always escalation. Look, all we're gonna do

1170
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 5: is we're gonna take out a few nuclear sites. What

1171
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 5: you're saying now.

1172
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 6: They're gonna break out toward a nuclear weapon? Oh boy,

1173
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Speaker 6: I best.

1174
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 5: I guess we need to get the Americans in there,

1175
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 5: because only they can get the Fhoidos site.

1176
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 6: Now, got America in there, and then.

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00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 5: No, they're saying, I saw a report today the Iranians

1178
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 5: are claiming they have a new secret base that they

1179
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 5: built under a bigger deeper.

1180
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: On the screenwire talking, yeah, we have that report, like, oh,

1181
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 2: there's another one.

1182
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 4: It's ei there it is I guess.

1183
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 5: We're gonna have to send in the eighty second Airborne

1184
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 5: to go in there and destroy it by hand then

1185
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 5: this time, or we're gonna have to use nuclear weapons.

1186
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 5: Probably not, but they're talking about that might be what

1187
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 5: it would take. Or you know what, I guess we're

1188
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 5: just gonna have to go ahead and kill the Supreme Leader.

1189
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 5: I saw Benjamin Etna who said that would solve everything

1190
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,959
Speaker 5: if we just killed the ayah Toola comedy and can't

1191
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 5: get picture George W. Bud, I mean Donald Trump say

1192
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 5: to it's buying in to that one and and going

1193
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 5: along with that and then what now you got to

1194
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 5: kill every last cleric in the country to prevent one

1195
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 5: from claiming to be the Supreme Leader? Are you going

1196
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 5: to prop up the Azeries or the Blue Kye Binladenites

1197
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 5: in order to keep the she Hees out?

1198
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 6: Or who's going to take charge? They're talking in the

1199
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Speaker 6: Shaw's Sun. Oh my god, how in the world.

1200
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 2: Is according to Fox News?

1201
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 3: You know what's also follow It's not it's his Imperial Highness.

1202
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 3: Just for those of us who care the shot shot,

1203
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, if we want we want to be correct,

1204
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: let's be correct.

1205
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 6: Should be calling him my lord.

1206
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 5: She is.

1207
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: Can't get over Scott.

1208
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: I said to you, I'm sorry that your expertise still

1209
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: continues to be so incredibly relevant, but we appreciate you

1210
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 2: taking the time to talk to us and help explain

1211
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: these things.

1212
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 4: No one better, no one does it better than you do.

1213
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, both of you. Great to be

1214
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Speaker 6: with you.

1215
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Speaker 5: People would to British