Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to yet another edition of NFL
Speaker 1: Draft Triple Take, brought to you by up MC.
Speaker 2: I'm Mike Pursuda, joined as.
Speaker 1: Always by the rest of our first line of draft coverage,
Speaker 1: Dale Lawley and Matt Williamson. You might recognize those two
Speaker 1: guys as the authors of the Drive every day on the.
Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio.
Speaker 1: You can also take advantage of the fine work that
Speaker 1: Dale and Matt do on the Steelers Audio Network and
Speaker 1: at Steelers dot Com.
Speaker 2: You can find me there as well. But we are
Speaker 2: here today for I believe the fourth time to mock
Speaker 2: the first round. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: You know, as we get closer and closer to the draft,
Speaker 3: things change, things adjust, and you know, you hear stuff.
Speaker 4: It's also lying season. I always never know what quite
Speaker 4: to believe, but you read the tea leaves. Things starting
Speaker 4: to get a little bit well.
Speaker 1: The goodness for us is this is not going to
Speaker 1: be the final edition, right But before we get to
Speaker 1: the fourth edition, I need to remind everyone that the
Speaker 1: opinions that are about to be expressed are those of
Speaker 1: the illustrious panel here and not the Pittsburgh Steelers. We're
Speaker 1: coming up with what we come up with, however, we
Speaker 1: come up with it, but the Steelers may differ. They
Speaker 1: may have some other ideas of mind and probably.
Speaker 2: Do the way we do this.
Speaker 1: If you're new to the program, we basically divide the
Speaker 1: third the first round, excuse me, into thirds and then
Speaker 1: kind of kick that around get each guy's thoughts ten
Speaker 1: or so picks at a time.
Speaker 2: So Dale, let's start with you.
Speaker 1: Anything shock or delight you about what you came up
Speaker 1: with this time to start things up.
Speaker 3: Well, I've got Mike, I've got sheanor Sanders going getting
Speaker 3: past both the Browns and the Giants at the top
Speaker 3: of the round there and then falling down to the
Speaker 3: Saints at nine.
Speaker 2: Could be a surprise, could be what happens.
Speaker 3: I also have Mike Green, the edge rusher out of Marshall,
Speaker 3: going to the Raiders there, and Pete Carroll loves those
Speaker 3: speedballs off the edge, and Mike Green is a speedball
Speaker 3: off the edge, a lot of different pass rush moves,
Speaker 3: really good football player, a lot of production in college.
Speaker 3: And it just kind of made some sense to me.
Speaker 2: I just threw that out there.
Speaker 4: It stood out to me, the three edge guys going
Speaker 4: in the top eight, and it's you know, it's a
Speaker 4: really deep edge class.
Speaker 2: But last year's this year's edge is last year's QB.
Speaker 2: Is that what we're saying in a way? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Tackled, Yeah, I mean there are so many tackles and
Speaker 4: quarterbacks at the top of the draft, and edge is
Speaker 4: another premium position that could fly off the board, you know,
Speaker 4: quicker than people think.
Speaker 1: Let's flip it over and see what Matt Williamson's got
Speaker 1: for us. Fixed one through ten in Mike Green showing
Speaker 1: up again in the top ten, Jalen Walker, Edge, Georgia.
Speaker 4: The things that I kind of went out on a
Speaker 4: limb on was Gentee at five. I mean that's the
Speaker 4: earliest I've seen him. A lot of people have him
Speaker 4: go to the Raiders, a lot of people have him
Speaker 4: going to the Bears. I just think him and Hunter
Speaker 4: are the premier prospects, and I don't know that atn
Speaker 4: is going to be in Jacksonville much longer. Should Tank Bigsby,
Speaker 4: you know, prohibit you from taking a superstar player.
Speaker 2: So that stood out to me.
Speaker 4: And I'm also looking at the Jets going man other
Speaker 4: than Garrett Wilson who's catching passes there right now, so
Speaker 4: any kind of receiver. I thought that the Jets made sense.
Speaker 1: As for my picks one through ten, just like Matt
Speaker 1: and Dale, I have cam Ward going first to the
Speaker 1: Titans are wet. So if that's the case I mentioned
Speaker 1: a moment ago, these are our opinions, not those are
Speaker 1: the Steelers, and they are also not the opinions of
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. But if I'm the Cleveland Browns and
Speaker 1: if cam Ward goes one, I'm not walking the cart
Speaker 1: up with Abdul Carter. I am running it up and
Speaker 1: I'm lining up Abdul Carter on one side of my
Speaker 1: defensive Miles Garrett on the other. And I'm thinking I've
Speaker 1: already had a pretty good draft.
Speaker 3: I get it, and I did the same thing. But
Speaker 3: then again, Abdul Carter has done nothing in terms of
Speaker 3: workouts this offseason, finished last season with a shoulder issue,
Speaker 3: now has a foot issue, and you just wonder about
Speaker 3: some of that stuff. But you know, the tape is
Speaker 3: the tape, and he's a good football player.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a rare advantage to have him in Garrett. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's just pretty shocking and bad.
Speaker 1: You mentioned a lot of people have Genty going to
Speaker 1: the Raiders on one of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 2: Pet Carroll speaks mode as much as the next guy.
Speaker 4: Right, absolutely, I think that's a great fit. I just
Speaker 4: thought maybe he could even go earlier.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 1: All right, let's stick with Matt as we go picks
Speaker 1: eleven through twenty.
Speaker 4: So Dallas is another team as well as Miami that
Speaker 4: just could go so many different directions. I actually turned
Speaker 4: this in before Armstead retired their left tackle for Miami,
Speaker 4: and now it even makes even more sense with Banks
Speaker 4: going there. Two receivers in this neighborhood. Golden would really
Speaker 4: compliment Lamb. Well, McMillan could sort of be their DK
Speaker 4: metcalf replacement.
Speaker 2: At a eighteen.
Speaker 4: That was my thinking there.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's switch it over and see what Dale Lawley
Speaker 1: came up with. And again, Dale, I think we're seeing
Speaker 1: as we have the first three times we did this.
Speaker 1: We've all got pretty much the same names, but they're
Speaker 1: invariably in different spots.
Speaker 2: YE think, Yeah, a lot of neigh we're gonna view
Speaker 2: these guys.
Speaker 1: One man's picked thirteen overall might be another man's twenty.
Speaker 3: And that's really this draft in a nutshell. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you look at it, you know, depending on what
Speaker 3: mark draft you look at you could you could find
Speaker 3: forty five different names of guys going in the first
Speaker 3: round at some point during this whole draft process, because
Speaker 3: it's just it doesn't have the high end prospects, but
Speaker 3: it does have some depth to it, so you know
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a beauty. Is gonna be in the
Speaker 3: Ivy Beholder here. And I got a couple of defensive
Speaker 3: tackles going in this eleven to twenty range here, like Matt.
Speaker 3: I have Amari and Hampton going to the Denver Broncos
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: The Dolphins, again, I didn't know Armstead was going to retire,
Speaker 3: but they could also use Kenneth Grant to The defense
Speaker 3: is really rough right now. They got hit pretty hard
Speaker 3: this offseason, so it's going to be.
Speaker 2: Interesting to see how this goes.
Speaker 3: And I think Jihad Campbell to Tampa, I think.
Speaker 2: That's starting to line up. That's just that's starting to
Speaker 2: line up.
Speaker 3: Now they need somebody long term for Levonte David.
Speaker 4: Campbell to Tampa, Hampton to Denver. It's late in the draft,
Speaker 4: but that's a little choky. How much sure how either
Speaker 4: team passes on those guys.
Speaker 1: I'll give you one more if we switch it over
Speaker 1: to what I've got eleven to twenty. I've also got
Speaker 1: Hampton going to Denver. That feels like a natural based
Speaker 1: on the development of that team and the kind.
Speaker 2: Of player they need.
Speaker 4: A young quarterback.
Speaker 2: You get that quarterback back.
Speaker 1: You know, they've kind of done it by committee and
Speaker 1: the running game was kind of secondary there.
Speaker 2: This kid can change that theoretically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've drafted line help quite a bit, and now
Speaker 4: it's time to add that last piece and that could
Speaker 4: make them a contender in the AFC.
Speaker 1: I've also got warned going to Indianapolis. Don't they last
Speaker 1: that long? But I bet he doesn't get past fourteen.
Speaker 4: If he's there, I would think that's just floor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's you know people worked at well.
Speaker 2: He is a tight end. No, he's a pass catcher.
Speaker 2: He's an offensive weapon.
Speaker 3: You can't just look at the T next to his
Speaker 3: name and.
Speaker 2: Say, oh, that's you know, No, you'll find ways to
Speaker 2: use that guy.
Speaker 1: Did you buy the uh wildcat stuff with him? Or
Speaker 1: is that just a college thing that that kind of
Speaker 1: go away?
Speaker 4: They could mix it in. I mean, he could be
Speaker 4: a push push guy. I bet he throws a couple passes.
Speaker 4: In his career, maybe two or three year or something
Speaker 4: like that. But he's going to be someone who's wanted
Speaker 4: to get the ball in his hands.
Speaker 2: All right now, the pick everyone's been waiting for.
Speaker 1: Twenty first overall, we'll go back to Dale and uh,
Speaker 1: there you go. Defensive tackle Derek Harmon, Oregon via Michigan State.
Speaker 3: You had to get that in there, is Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I had the two other two defensive tackles, actually
Speaker 3: three defensive tackles going earlier than this. I don't know
Speaker 3: that that Harmon wouldn't be maybe higher on the Steelers
Speaker 3: board in terms of what you're looking for. You know,
Speaker 3: the thirty five inch arms, the you know, the height,
Speaker 3: every thing matches up well for him as a three
Speaker 3: to four defensive tackle, you know. I just think that
Speaker 3: that makes a lot of sense and just so happened
Speaker 3: to be available in this in this particular mock draft.
Speaker 4: A lot of corners on your end of the first
Speaker 4: round here. Always use those guys go into playoff teams.
Speaker 4: And I also like Lovelan going to the Rams. I mean,
Speaker 4: you had DeVante Adams along with Puka and love One.
Speaker 4: That's a serious firepower.
Speaker 3: I gave some serious thought to Jackson Dark going at
Speaker 3: twenty six.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I ended up doing that too, you know.
Speaker 3: I think that would make a lot of sense. They
Speaker 3: don't have a long term quarterback in place behind Matthew
Speaker 3: Stafford and could certainly use he could use a year
Speaker 3: or two behind Stafford and just make that trans a
Speaker 3: good landing spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll talk about Revel a little bit of the
Speaker 1: East Carolina corner who is interesting for a.
Speaker 2: Couple of reasons. Yeah, I mean a lot of traits.
Speaker 3: But you know, an ACL injury that you know he's
Speaker 3: recovering from. Maybe he misses the first few games of
Speaker 3: the season, but man, the.
Speaker 2: Traits are off the charts.
Speaker 3: He's he's six two plus, he's you know, two hundred pounds,
Speaker 3: he runs well, does everything well. He's just coming off
Speaker 3: in ACL. There's a lot of guys at that cornerback
Speaker 3: position this year that are that, you know, they just
Speaker 3: got something that they're that's been nagging him.
Speaker 4: And considering the level of productive and playing at East Carolina,
Speaker 4: you would have loved to see him at the Senior
Speaker 4: Bowl and you don't get that, you know.
Speaker 1: So flipping over to Matt Williamson picks twenty one, through
Speaker 1: thirty two, and we've also got a defensive tackle.
Speaker 2: At twenty first overall, although not Dale's defensive tech. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm a big Walder Nolan fan. I think defensive line
Speaker 4: is a major need for the Steelers at the moment.
Speaker 4: A young guy like that to kind of learn from
Speaker 4: Cam Hayward seems perfect timing his teammate. I did put
Speaker 4: Dart to the Rams. It'd be another good landing spot
Speaker 4: for him. And I don't know how the Texans could
Speaker 4: pass on Josh Simmons. He has some injury stuff too,
Speaker 4: but they've totally revamped their offensive line and trading, including
Speaker 4: trading Laramie Tunsel to Washington.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's interesting you have Dart six. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you consider him a first round quarterback at least twenty
Speaker 1: six overall worthy.
Speaker 4: I think he will go in the first round. I'm
Speaker 4: not the biggest fan, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Does that explain why you didn't select him twenty first overall?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, curious because if we flip it over to Mike Pursuon,
Speaker 1: is twenty one there there he is again. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: this guy's growing on me. A lot of the things
Speaker 1: that I'm hearing about him, are impressing me as much
Speaker 1: as when I go back and watch the tape. Now,
Speaker 1: I did have some stinker stuff on tape, including the
Speaker 1: end of the Florida game, which is rather inexplicable.
Speaker 2: But don't they all have moments where it got away.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just jaded by that because I watched that
Speaker 3: one live and I'm just like, so, what is he doing?
Speaker 1: I kind of wrote him off mentally right at that point,
Speaker 1: and then when you start doing the deep dive. I
Speaker 1: like his game, I like his from what I can
Speaker 1: tell of his personality, and we should add these exercises.
Speaker 1: We don't have medical We're not sitting down with these
Speaker 1: guys and talk to them. We're not interviewing the strength
Speaker 1: coach and finding out all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Three of us didn't put Jackson Dart on the whiteboard
Speaker 4: and you drill him about.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like his style, and I like his numbers, and
Speaker 1: I like where he's coming from. The SEC in the
Speaker 1: Big Ten. I can't remember if I mentioned this on
Speaker 1: a previous show or not, but Daniel Jeremiah from the
Speaker 1: NFL Network has promoted the theory that the SEC in
Speaker 1: the Big Ten because of the NIL now and the
Speaker 1: way the college game is changing, they're pro leagues that
Speaker 1: are as close to the NFL as you're gonna get now.
Speaker 3: I know, technically they're all pro leagues now because everybody's
Speaker 3: getting paid, but.
Speaker 2: I mean they're up there.
Speaker 1: I know guys come from other leagues and will, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of consistent You're going against guys who
Speaker 1: you're gonna play against on Sundays, and you're playing with
Speaker 1: guys who you're gonna play with on Sundays, and I
Speaker 1: think there's way.
Speaker 2: More to like than none.
Speaker 4: I think that's a great point. And even a conference
Speaker 4: like the ACC, all of a sudden, you can be like, man,
Speaker 4: his level competition wasn't great. You know, if you didn't
Speaker 4: go into the playoffs or whatever. I mean, what kind
Speaker 4: of pro style defenses did you fake?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I understand it, Mike, and I would
Speaker 3: understand it if the Steelers did that went that direction.
Speaker 3: But you know, they don't have a second round pick,
Speaker 3: and are you going to just push away that defensive
Speaker 3: tackle need.
Speaker 2: Assuming that you make some kind of signing.
Speaker 1: A quarterback in theory, In theory, I could drop down
Speaker 1: and maybe get back in the second round.
Speaker 2: They starts still there.
Speaker 1: If Williamson thinks he's twenty six, maybe I get him
Speaker 1: at twenty six or twenty seven.
Speaker 4: You mentioned Mike Green earlier, you have him twenty eight.
Speaker 4: Dale had him going on the first screen. It's in
Speaker 4: the top ten. You did as well. And I think
Speaker 4: although the above could happen, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: I think samouth Walker, all these edge they could go anywhere.
Speaker 1: It's so racist thin to me to seate these judge guys,
Speaker 1: some of the de tackles right, even some of the
Speaker 1: offensive tackles. What I've heard about this draft is maybe
Speaker 1: not great, great at the top, but very good throughout.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely buying the latter part of it.
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of good football players. We didn't
Speaker 4: have one in our top thirty two right day two
Speaker 4: is gonna be strong.
Speaker 1: Well, stay tuned because we might do this again, and
Speaker 1: they may they may find themselves working their way in.
Speaker 2: That's gonna do it. For this version.
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