WEBVTT - NFL Draft Triple Take (Mock Draft 4.0), April 10, 2025

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone, and welcome to yet another edition of NFL

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<v Speaker 1>Draft Triple Take, brought to you by up MC.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Mike Pursuda, joined as.

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<v Speaker 1>Always by the rest of our first line of draft coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>Dale Lawley and Matt Williamson. You might recognize those two

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<v Speaker 1>guys as the authors of the Drive every day on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Steelers Nation Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also take advantage of the fine work that

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<v Speaker 1>Dale and Matt do on the Steelers Audio Network and

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<v Speaker 1>at Steelers dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find me there as well. But we are

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<v Speaker 2>here today for I believe the fourth time to mock

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<v Speaker 2>the first round. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, as we get closer and closer to the draft,

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<v Speaker 3>things change, things adjust, and you know, you hear stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also lying season. I always never know what quite

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<v Speaker 4>to believe, but you read the tea leaves. Things starting

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<v Speaker 4>to get a little bit well.

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<v Speaker 1>The goodness for us is this is not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the final edition, right But before we get to

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth edition, I need to remind everyone that the

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<v Speaker 1>opinions that are about to be expressed are those of

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<v Speaker 1>the illustrious panel here and not the Pittsburgh Steelers. We're

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<v Speaker 1>coming up with what we come up with, however, we

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<v Speaker 1>come up with it, but the Steelers may differ. They

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<v Speaker 1>may have some other ideas of mind and probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the way we do this.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're new to the program, we basically divide the

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<v Speaker 1>third the first round, excuse me, into thirds and then

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<v Speaker 1>kind of kick that around get each guy's thoughts ten

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<v Speaker 1>or so picks at a time.

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<v Speaker 2>So Dale, let's start with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything shock or delight you about what you came up

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<v Speaker 1>with this time to start things up.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've got Mike, I've got sheanor Sanders going getting

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<v Speaker 3>past both the Browns and the Giants at the top

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<v Speaker 3>of the round there and then falling down to the

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<v Speaker 3>Saints at nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Could be a surprise, could be what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>I also have Mike Green, the edge rusher out of Marshall,

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<v Speaker 3>going to the Raiders there, and Pete Carroll loves those

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<v Speaker 3>speedballs off the edge, and Mike Green is a speedball

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<v Speaker 3>off the edge, a lot of different pass rush moves,

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<v Speaker 3>really good football player, a lot of production in college.

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<v Speaker 3>And it just kind of made some sense to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I just threw that out there.

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<v Speaker 4>It stood out to me, the three edge guys going

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<v Speaker 4>in the top eight, and it's you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 4>really deep edge class.

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<v Speaker 2>But last year's this year's edge is last year's QB.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what we're saying in a way? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Tackled, Yeah, I mean there are so many tackles and

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<v Speaker 4>quarterbacks at the top of the draft, and edge is

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<v Speaker 4>another premium position that could fly off the board, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>quicker than people think.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's flip it over and see what Matt Williamson's got

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<v Speaker 1>for us. Fixed one through ten in Mike Green showing

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<v Speaker 1>up again in the top ten, Jalen Walker, Edge, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 4>The things that I kind of went out on a

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<v Speaker 4>limb on was Gentee at five. I mean that's the

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<v Speaker 4>earliest I've seen him. A lot of people have him

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<v Speaker 4>go to the Raiders, a lot of people have him

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<v Speaker 4>going to the Bears. I just think him and Hunter

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<v Speaker 4>are the premier prospects, and I don't know that atn

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<v Speaker 4>is going to be in Jacksonville much longer. Should Tank Bigsby,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, prohibit you from taking a superstar player.

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<v Speaker 2>So that stood out to me.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm also looking at the Jets going man other

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<v Speaker 4>than Garrett Wilson who's catching passes there right now, so

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<v Speaker 4>any kind of receiver. I thought that the Jets made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>As for my picks one through ten, just like Matt

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<v Speaker 1>and Dale, I have cam Ward going first to the

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<v Speaker 1>Titans are wet. So if that's the case I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>a moment ago, these are our opinions, not those are

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<v Speaker 1>the Steelers, and they are also not the opinions of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cleveland Browns. But if I'm the Cleveland Browns and

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<v Speaker 1>if cam Ward goes one, I'm not walking the cart

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<v Speaker 1>up with Abdul Carter. I am running it up and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm lining up Abdul Carter on one side of my

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<v Speaker 1>defensive Miles Garrett on the other. And I'm thinking I've

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<v Speaker 1>already had a pretty good draft.

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<v Speaker 3>I get it, and I did the same thing. But

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<v Speaker 3>then again, Abdul Carter has done nothing in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>workouts this offseason, finished last season with a shoulder issue,

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<v Speaker 3>now has a foot issue, and you just wonder about

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<v Speaker 3>some of that stuff. But you know, the tape is

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<v Speaker 3>the tape, and he's a good football player.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's a rare advantage to have him in Garrett. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that's just pretty shocking and bad.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned a lot of people have Genty going to

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<v Speaker 1>the Raiders on one of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Pet Carroll speaks mode as much as the next guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, absolutely, I think that's a great fit. I just

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<v Speaker 4>thought maybe he could even go earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's stick with Matt as we go picks

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<v Speaker 1>eleven through twenty.

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<v Speaker 4>So Dallas is another team as well as Miami that

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<v Speaker 4>just could go so many different directions. I actually turned

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<v Speaker 4>this in before Armstead retired their left tackle for Miami,

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<v Speaker 4>and now it even makes even more sense with Banks

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<v Speaker 4>going there. Two receivers in this neighborhood. Golden would really

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<v Speaker 4>compliment Lamb. Well, McMillan could sort of be their DK

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<v Speaker 4>metcalf replacement.

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<v Speaker 2>At a eighteen.

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<v Speaker 4>That was my thinking there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's switch it over and see what Dale Lawley

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<v Speaker 1>came up with. And again, Dale, I think we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>as we have the first three times we did this.

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<v Speaker 1>We've all got pretty much the same names, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>invariably in different spots.

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<v Speaker 2>YE think, Yeah, a lot of neigh we're gonna view

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<v Speaker 2>these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>One man's picked thirteen overall might be another man's twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's really this draft in a nutshell. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>if you look at it, you know, depending on what

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<v Speaker 3>mark draft you look at you could you could find

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<v Speaker 3>forty five different names of guys going in the first

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<v Speaker 3>round at some point during this whole draft process, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's just it doesn't have the high end prospects, but

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<v Speaker 3>it does have some depth to it, so you know

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be a beauty. Is gonna be in the

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<v Speaker 3>Ivy Beholder here. And I got a couple of defensive

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<v Speaker 3>tackles going in this eleven to twenty range here, like Matt.

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<v Speaker 3>I have Amari and Hampton going to the Denver Broncos

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 3>The Dolphins, again, I didn't know Armstead was going to retire,

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<v Speaker 3>but they could also use Kenneth Grant to The defense

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<v Speaker 3>is really rough right now. They got hit pretty hard

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<v Speaker 3>this offseason, so it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting to see how this goes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think Jihad Campbell to Tampa, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's starting to line up. That's just that's starting to

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<v Speaker 2>line up.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they need somebody long term for Levonte David.

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<v Speaker 4>Campbell to Tampa, Hampton to Denver. It's late in the draft,

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<v Speaker 4>but that's a little choky. How much sure how either

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<v Speaker 4>team passes on those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you one more if we switch it over

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<v Speaker 1>to what I've got eleven to twenty. I've also got

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<v Speaker 1>Hampton going to Denver. That feels like a natural based

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<v Speaker 1>on the development of that team and the kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of player they need.

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<v Speaker 4>A young quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>You get that quarterback back.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they've kind of done it by committee and

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<v Speaker 1>the running game was kind of secondary there.

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<v Speaker 2>This kid can change that theoretically.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they've drafted line help quite a bit, and now

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<v Speaker 4>it's time to add that last piece and that could

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<v Speaker 4>make them a contender in the AFC.

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<v Speaker 1>I've also got warned going to Indianapolis. Don't they last

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<v Speaker 1>that long? But I bet he doesn't get past fourteen.

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<v Speaker 4>If he's there, I would think that's just floor.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's you know people worked at well.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a tight end. No, he's a pass catcher.

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<v Speaker 2>He's an offensive weapon.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't just look at the T next to his

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<v Speaker 3>name and.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, oh, that's you know, No, you'll find ways to

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<v Speaker 2>use that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you buy the uh wildcat stuff with him? Or

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<v Speaker 1>is that just a college thing that that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>go away?

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<v Speaker 4>They could mix it in. I mean, he could be

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<v Speaker 4>a push push guy. I bet he throws a couple passes.

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<v Speaker 4>In his career, maybe two or three year or something

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<v Speaker 4>like that. But he's going to be someone who's wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to get the ball in his hands.

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<v Speaker 2>All right now, the pick everyone's been waiting for.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty first overall, we'll go back to Dale and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there you go. Defensive tackle Derek Harmon, Oregon via Michigan State.

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<v Speaker 3>You had to get that in there, is Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean I had the two other two defensive tackles, actually

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<v Speaker 3>three defensive tackles going earlier than this. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>that that Harmon wouldn't be maybe higher on the Steelers

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<v Speaker 3>board in terms of what you're looking for. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>the thirty five inch arms, the you know, the height,

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<v Speaker 3>every thing matches up well for him as a three

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<v Speaker 3>to four defensive tackle, you know. I just think that

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<v Speaker 3>that makes a lot of sense and just so happened

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<v Speaker 3>to be available in this in this particular mock draft.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of corners on your end of the first

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<v Speaker 4>round here. Always use those guys go into playoff teams.

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<v Speaker 4>And I also like Lovelan going to the Rams. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you had DeVante Adams along with Puka and love One.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a serious firepower.

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<v Speaker 3>I gave some serious thought to Jackson Dark going at

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<v Speaker 3>twenty six.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I ended up doing that too, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that would make a lot of sense. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't have a long term quarterback in place behind Matthew

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<v Speaker 3>Stafford and could certainly use he could use a year

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<v Speaker 3>or two behind Stafford and just make that trans a

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<v Speaker 3>good landing spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they'll talk about Revel a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>East Carolina corner who is interesting for a.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple of reasons. Yeah, I mean a lot of traits.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, an ACL injury that you know he's

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<v Speaker 3>recovering from. Maybe he misses the first few games of

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<v Speaker 3>the season, but man, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Traits are off the charts.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he's six two plus, he's you know, two hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 3>he runs well, does everything well. He's just coming off

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<v Speaker 3>in ACL. There's a lot of guys at that cornerback

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<v Speaker 3>position this year that are that, you know, they just

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<v Speaker 3>got something that they're that's been nagging him.

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<v Speaker 4>And considering the level of productive and playing at East Carolina,

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<v Speaker 4>you would have loved to see him at the Senior

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<v Speaker 4>Bowl and you don't get that, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So flipping over to Matt Williamson picks twenty one, through

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two, and we've also got a defensive tackle.

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<v Speaker 2>At twenty first overall, although not Dale's defensive tech. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a big Walder Nolan fan. I think defensive line

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<v Speaker 4>is a major need for the Steelers at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>A young guy like that to kind of learn from

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<v Speaker 4>Cam Hayward seems perfect timing his teammate. I did put

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<v Speaker 4>Dart to the Rams. It'd be another good landing spot

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<v Speaker 4>for him. And I don't know how the Texans could

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<v Speaker 4>pass on Josh Simmons. He has some injury stuff too,

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<v Speaker 4>but they've totally revamped their offensive line and trading, including

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<v Speaker 4>trading Laramie Tunsel to Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's interesting you have Dart six. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you consider him a first round quarterback at least twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six overall worthy.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he will go in the first round. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not the biggest fan, to be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that explain why you didn't select him twenty first overall?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, curious because if we flip it over to Mike Pursuon,

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<v Speaker 1>is twenty one there there he is again. I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's growing on me. A lot of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm hearing about him, are impressing me as much

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<v Speaker 1>as when I go back and watch the tape. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I did have some stinker stuff on tape, including the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the Florida game, which is rather inexplicable.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't they all have moments where it got away.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'm just jaded by that because I watched that

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<v Speaker 3>one live and I'm just like, so, what is he doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of wrote him off mentally right at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>and then when you start doing the deep dive. I

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<v Speaker 1>like his game, I like his from what I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell of his personality, and we should add these exercises.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have medical We're not sitting down with these

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<v Speaker 1>guys and talk to them. We're not interviewing the strength

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<v Speaker 1>coach and finding out all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Three of us didn't put Jackson Dart on the whiteboard

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<v Speaker 4>and you drill him about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I like his style, and I like his numbers, and

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<v Speaker 1>I like where he's coming from. The SEC in the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Ten. I can't remember if I mentioned this on

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<v Speaker 1>a previous show or not, but Daniel Jeremiah from the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL Network has promoted the theory that the SEC in

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Ten because of the NIL now and the

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<v Speaker 1>way the college game is changing, they're pro leagues that

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<v Speaker 1>are as close to the NFL as you're gonna get now.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, technically they're all pro leagues now because everybody's

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<v Speaker 3>getting paid, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they're up there.

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<v Speaker 1>I know guys come from other leagues and will, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of consistent You're going against guys who

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna play against on Sundays, and you're playing with

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<v Speaker 1>guys who you're gonna play with on Sundays, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's way.

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<v Speaker 2>More to like than none.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's a great point. And even a conference

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<v Speaker 4>like the ACC, all of a sudden, you can be like, man,

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<v Speaker 4>his level competition wasn't great. You know, if you didn't

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<v Speaker 4>go into the playoffs or whatever. I mean, what kind

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<v Speaker 4>of pro style defenses did you fake?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I understand it, Mike, and I would

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<v Speaker 3>understand it if the Steelers did that went that direction.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, they don't have a second round pick,

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<v Speaker 3>and are you going to just push away that defensive

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<v Speaker 3>tackle need.

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<v Speaker 2>Assuming that you make some kind of signing.

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<v Speaker 1>A quarterback in theory, In theory, I could drop down

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe get back in the second round.

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<v Speaker 2>They starts still there.

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<v Speaker 1>If Williamson thinks he's twenty six, maybe I get him

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty six or twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 4>You mentioned Mike Green earlier, you have him twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 4>Dale had him going on the first screen. It's in

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<v Speaker 4>the top ten. You did as well. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>although the above could happen, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I think samouth Walker, all these edge they could go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so racist thin to me to seate these judge guys,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the de tackles right, even some of the

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<v Speaker 1>offensive tackles. What I've heard about this draft is maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not great, great at the top, but very good throughout.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm definitely buying the latter part of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's a lot of good football players. We didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have one in our top thirty two right day two

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<v Speaker 4>is gonna be strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, stay tuned because we might do this again, and

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<v Speaker 1>they may they may find themselves working their way in.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna do it. For this version.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to remind everyone the opinions expressed her or ours,

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<v Speaker 1>not the Steelers. Also want to remind everyone that you

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<v Speaker 1>can find all this stuff on the Steelers' social media platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be continuing to generate content such as this

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to right.

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<v Speaker 2>Up till Draft Day, right I mean, including Draft Day,

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<v Speaker 2>including Draft Day.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a lot of stuff still on the schedule,

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<v Speaker 1>so make sure you keep finding us if you like

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<v Speaker 1>what you're seeing until then.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for finding us this time, however, and wherever you

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<v Speaker 2>found us.

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<v Speaker 1>For Matt Williamson and Dale Lawley, Mike Persuda, this has

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<v Speaker 1>been another edition of the NFL Draft Triple Take, brought

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<v Speaker 1>to you by upmc. No, you won't