1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, folks, It's Thursday, July the twenty fourth, and it's 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: kind of a parent's worst case scenario. You're at home, 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: turn on the TV and you see a breaking news 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: alert that something's going on at your child's school, maybe 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: even a potential school shooter. So what's the first thing 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: you want to do is certainly run to that school, 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: or you certainly want to pick up your phone and 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: contact your child. But what if the school has taken 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: the phones from all the children, none of them can 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: call to report an emergency, and you, the parent, cannot 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: get a hold of your child. Welcome to Amy and TJ. 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: I describe their robes. Really the nightmare scenario for a parent. 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: But we're talking about this because New York City is 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: now the largest city in the country. They have just 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: officially said that all public schools there will be a 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: bell to bell, ban on sell phones, educator's robes. Seed 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: to love it parents. 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: You know, this has been a topic of conversation in 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: our house because Sabine School started this policy when this. 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: Entire school year, so her first year in middle school 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: here in New York, sixth grade, they took him away 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: as this was this school decided to do it on 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: their own ahead of time. And I was pissed then. 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: I'm more pissed now. 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: Look, I think, especially given what we do, we're more, 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: perhaps even keenly aware of what can go wrong. How 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: many school shootings have we covered, have we gone to? 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: And it is something that is always in the back 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: of every parent's mind, and that can happen anywhere, at 30 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: any point, at any school. And if you cannot reach 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: your child directly, or maybe even more importantly, if your 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: child cannot. 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: Reach you, your. 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: Child cannot call nine one one, your child cannot get help. 35 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: That cell phone is a lifeline in so many ways. 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: I remember when my youngest turned twelve and I knew 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: she was getting on a bus by herself, and I 38 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: knew I got her a phone. I didn't want to 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: get her a phone really for all the other reasons, 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: but I. 41 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: Knew that that could be a lifeline. 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: And especially here in New York City, we have bigger 43 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: challenges and bigger concerns. Maybe Chicago, there are a couple 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: other big cities that might have the same thing. But 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: when our kids are at school, they are not in 46 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: a community in a suburb with school crossing guards. We 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: are in the middle of a city that is a 48 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 2: constant terror target, and there are so many things going 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: on in the streets of New York people getting in 50 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: and out of schools. To think that our kids can't 51 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: contact us or can't contact help if there's a chaotic situation, 52 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: a scary, unforeseen situation that is frightening as a parent. 53 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: So let's talk about, though, the other side. I say 54 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: the other side, given that I know what side I'm on. 55 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: And let's be clear here, robarc and I are dipping 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: into not dipping into politics. We are not taking any 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: issue with the bill that was passed in New York 58 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: and Governor Hochal sign that included this statewide. They're going 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: to start doing this the entire state school dissues are 60 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: required to do this New York City and the mayor 61 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: just officially stated, i think late last night in a 62 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: tweet that yes, we will be banning all cell phones 63 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: and all was sixteen hundred public schools here in New York. 64 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: I believe it is the logic there, and it sounds, 65 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: is it not. They want to avoid distractions for the 66 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: kids when they're in the classroom. You can't argue with that, though, 67 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: can you. 68 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: They don't want distractions of the scrolling. There's also issues 69 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: with cheating when you have cell phones. There's also issues 70 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: with bullying. You know, you've got these kids walking, you know, 71 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: even in between classes in the hall, there could be 72 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: recording that shouldn't be going on and social media posts 73 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: that shouldn't be happening. That causes a lot of problems, 74 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: a lot of mental distress for a lot of kids. 75 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: That all absolutely makes sense to me, And yet you 76 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: have to weigh those concerns from education to even mental 77 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: health with physical and emergency situations. Now I know that 78 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: they say, hey, the teachers all have their cell phones, 79 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: so if anything goes wrong, the teacher can contact help, 80 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: get help. And if you, the parent, need to get 81 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: in touch with your child, you can call the school 82 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: office old school like we did when we were kids. 83 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: But we are living in very different times than we 84 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: were when you and I were kids, And. 85 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: I think the I think that's a good aim, right, 86 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: that should be the goal. We want to cut down 87 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: and distract distractions. We don't want kids using their cell 88 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: phones during class time. Nobody's arguing with that. 89 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: Not an argument at all, only. 90 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: Argument, and the thing that really drove me crazy this year. 91 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: Why are we not trying some other method? Is there 92 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: not something else we can do in the school to 93 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: give them still be able to in an emergency, or 94 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: if it's the parent or whatever, give them a access 95 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: to the phone. And I need to make this clear. 96 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: What's happening, what we're talking about. Sabine School and several 97 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: others here in New York are using these pouches the kids. 98 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: Each kid gets an individual pouch. They put their phone 99 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: in the pouch when they walk into the school, and 100 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: then the pouch is locked using a special magnet. The 101 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: kid then has no way to open it on their own, 102 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: so they're responsible. They can keep it on them or 103 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: they can put it in their locker, but it doesn't 104 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: matter if you can keep it on you because you 105 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: don't have access to it. So that is the method 106 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: that they're using, and it's driving me absolutely benev. 107 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: Right because even once the bell rings and Sabine's leaving school, 108 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: she has to then get in line and wait for 109 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 2: her pouch to be demagnetized to get. 110 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: Her cell phone out. 111 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: That is a process that they've streamlined at the end 112 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 2: of school. But what if there was an emergency, What 113 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: if worst case scenario there was a school shooter, what 114 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: if someone dangerous got into the school, any type of 115 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: scenario like that. Do you really think there's going to 116 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: be some orderly line where someone's going to individually demagnetize 117 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: these pouches? 118 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 3: Now, you know, My thought was, I don't even know. 119 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: Can you bring scissors into school? 120 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: Because if you had to, you could cut open this 121 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: is a plastic pouch, correct, So if you had a 122 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: pair of scissors in case of an emergency, you could 123 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: cut it out. 124 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: But like when you are scrambling, when there is. 125 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: Fond the scissors, really. 126 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: Exactly, it's it's another step that could really, honestly, at 127 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: some point could be the difference between life. 128 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: Or death and Sabine School. The law at least gives 129 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: schools their own some autonomy and coming up with how 130 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: they're going to implement a policy. All of them don't 131 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: have to use these pouches. But Sabine School, she was 132 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: explained to me this morning, they have a magnet that's 133 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: assigned to each of their homerooms, if you will. But 134 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: it's outside on the wall, and to get to it, 135 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: a teacher has to use their key to unlock it. 136 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: That's a lot of steps in an emergency, a lot 137 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: of staies. Okay, so this happened with Sabina and you know, 138 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: you just know, and we got off the phone. We 139 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: just got off the phone with my parents, both educators. 140 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: Mama retired to the elementary school teacher. My dad was 141 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: my high school principal. Yes, that was a good time, 142 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: but he still works for the school district now. Both 143 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: of them as educators said, we're for it. 144 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: And that makes sense because as a teacher, yes, you're 145 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: trying to It's already hard enough to connect to your 146 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: students if they're sneaking a phone, and these kids are sneaky, 147 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: they know how to do it, they know where to 148 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: put it. It's on vibrate, they're not going to be ringing, 149 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: and they can have it somewhere where they're not paying attention, 150 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: they're not learning, and they also could be using it 151 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: to cheat without a doubt, And so that's frustrating for teachers. 152 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: That's got to be incredibly difficult. And I can understand 153 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: why they're done with cell phones in the classroom, But 154 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: I was even thinking, couldn't you, and you've talked about this, 155 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: couldn't you just have a collection box when they come 156 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: in too each room say cell phones here, or you 157 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: even said when people hang you know when you've tried 158 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: the shoe, it's. 159 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: The closet's a shoe organizer. 160 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you rack. And so it was like a plastic 161 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: little compartment for each shoe. You could make sure each 162 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: each kid has a has a sign number and then 163 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: you know that their cell phones in there. 164 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: So done, period, Why can't we. 165 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: Use another Why can't we try another option? And I 166 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: know they talk about the bullying and that's a real thing. 167 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: If kids are using their phones, even not in the 168 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: class but at recess. 169 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: That can happen at home though too. 170 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know, bullying can happen at any point during 171 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: the day, not just at school. 172 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: Something you speak on just phrase you love using that. 173 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: We too many parents are often trying to prepare the 174 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: road for the child instead of prepare the child for 175 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: the road. Part of life in an understanding is following rules, 176 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: know that they have consequences, consequences. It's discipline. It's being 177 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: able to almost regulate yourself, to be able to self monitor, 178 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: to be able to be smart enough to have the 179 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: restraint to not use it. What are we learning if 180 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: I'm telling kids who are in their formative years. You're 181 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: talking about six, seven, eight, nineteen. If we're telling them, 182 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: you know what, we don't trust you. You're not trustworthy enough, 183 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: you're not. 184 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: Capable, you're not capable of following. 185 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: Rules, and you're not dedicated enough to your work during 186 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: the day. My daughter's not gonna use a cell phone. 187 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: I just know she's not. And there are plenty of 188 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: kids who don't need to be policed like this. Plenty 189 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: need to be policed in a way, but this reminded 190 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: me of that. It seemed like we as a society 191 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: are taking any responsibility for discipline out of the classroom. 192 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: I know they supposed to just teach, but to say, hey, 193 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: if you do that, you're gonna end up in detention. Hey, 194 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: if you do this, these are the consequences. Now we're 195 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: just saying, take it all from you, because you can't 196 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: do it on your own, You can't be trusted. Is 197 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: there not some lesson in there we should be trying 198 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: to teach. 199 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so to your point, and I am so agreeing 200 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: with you, because isn't this just another example of a 201 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: problem we have in this country period where we may 202 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: have a law but we if we police it, okay, 203 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: but we don't enforce it. And so here's the deal. 204 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: The obviously there is a policy in place in every 205 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 2: school your phones cannot be used or be out while 206 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: you're in the classroom period. So if you then don't 207 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: enforce that law, then kids are gonna do whatever they want. Well, 208 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: not everyone, Like you said, my kids are rule followers 209 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 2: for the most part. 210 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: I know Sabine is too. But so the rule breakers. 211 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: Why because they are breaking the rules and they haven't 212 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: been punished or there haven't been consequences, or they haven't 213 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: been policed, or it hasn't been enforced. Why do those 214 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: few kids spoil it for everybody and now create a 215 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 2: situation in which a lot of parents who have kids 216 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: who would use their phone correctly and would not use 217 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: it when they shouldn't. Why should they not be able 218 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: to be in contact with their child or at least 219 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: know that that child has a lifeline if the worst 220 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: case scenario happened. I think that's really frustrating to a 221 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: lot of parents because yes, I was raised that way, 222 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: you were raised that way. Here's the rule, and if 223 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: you don't follow it, here's the consequence. I will be 224 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: watching you, and if you break the rule, there are 225 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: consequences to pay. Now, my mother also was a teacher 226 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: and an educator. I have aunts and uncles who were educators, 227 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: and the biggest issue that they complained about, and I 228 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: just heard your mom say the same thing. Teachers aren't supported. 229 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: Teachers aren't supported by their principles oftentimes or by the 230 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: school system. And parents will undermine teachers. If you punish 231 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: a child, if you say, hey, kid had a cell 232 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: phone out in class, or your kid was talking in class, 233 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: the parent will come in and say, no, they didn't, 234 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: and you can't punish them. And so so much power 235 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 2: has been taken away from teachers, and so they're probably 236 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: just like, you know what, great, this solves all my issues. 237 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: I'll be supported because no one can have their phone. 238 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Here's my problem. And I have to keep saying this 239 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: ropes to what you're saying and to what we have 240 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: been saying here. Please do not think we are dipping 241 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: our toe into any political issue. This is not us 242 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: taking issue or taking a stance publicly against what Kathy 243 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: Hokel has done, against what Mayor Adams has now done. 244 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: Governor Hokele has now done, No Mayor Adams has done 245 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: or what Sabine's. Our issue is not with the legislation. 246 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: Our issue is not with wanting to get cell phones out. 247 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: We are not taking that stance. We are taking stances 248 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: as parents. We're speaking here as parents, and as parents, 249 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: you could be very unnerved by what's happening. I am 250 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: speaking as a parent now when I say I am 251 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: so against my child in New York City not having 252 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: access to a cell phone for eight hours, that she's 253 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: out of my sight. That when you say that, who, 254 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: no nobody lets their child go for eight hours without 255 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: being in contact anybody in the sixth seventh grade, You're 256 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: just not And I just wish there could have been 257 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: a little more thought on that, a little more engagement. 258 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: I just wish there could have been something else come 259 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: up with all these scenarios. I saw some other schools 260 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: have different scenarios that are better. It's just you feel 261 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: helpless in robes. There have been at least two incidents 262 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: since she's been fourth third fourth grade where they had 263 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: lockdown at school because somebody entered the building that they 264 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: don't know who the hell it is. Now. Things ended 265 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: up working out, but it's happened in this city too. 266 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: My child at her school, somebody walking around that shouldn't 267 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: have been in the school. Okay, hope your teacher is 268 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: nearby with the key so that they can unlock the 269 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: damn other key to unlock your pouch, so that now 270 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: I could know my kid is okay. 271 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: It happened at my daughter's school as well, where they 272 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 2: had someone come into the building who shouldn't and wasn't 273 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: supposed to be there, and it was frightening and they 274 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: went into lockdown too. Now this is New York City, 275 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. But the thing is, this is happening 276 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: all across the country. This cell phone ban, this bell, 277 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: de bell, no cell phone. This is sweeping the country. 278 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: This is going to come. If it isn't in your state, 279 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: now get ready. It probably is coming. 280 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: But folks, would you believe there are some even in 281 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement, who say that the kid having the cell 282 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: phone with him in school might be even more dangerous 283 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: in an emergency. All right, folks, Continuing are a very 284 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: personal and passionate discussion about the New York City Mayor 285 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: Eric Adams making it official, made the announcement yesterday late 286 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: that New York City will be following the state mandate 287 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: which says that public school students should not have their 288 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: cell phones on them during the school year. This starts 289 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: next school year twenty twenty five. Or if they call it, 290 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: what bell to Bell policy. 291 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a distraction free school's law or bell to 292 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: Bell's smartphone restrictions from kindergarten all the way up to 293 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: seniors in high school. That is wild to me that 294 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: that entire school age from four to eighteen, you cannot 295 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: have access to your cell phone for eight hours a 296 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: day during the school week. 297 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: No matter what. 298 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: They're supposed to have. The legislation says they're supposed to 299 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: have aged school supposed to have something in place that 300 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: allows the kids to call in some way. But even 301 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: Sabine is telling me they would have to tell the 302 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: teacher they when they have to go to the office 303 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: to make a call, or you have to have an 304 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: emergency and the teacher has to unlock the case they're 305 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be away in an emergency. Would have to 306 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: be an extreme case they can't call you because they 307 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: are out of money for a out lunch or something. 308 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm thinking about even high school students who 309 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: not only have their cell phones a lot of them 310 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: have iPads, they have smart watches. All of that is 311 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: under the same rule no smart watches, So you can't 312 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: have your Apple Watch on you even if you like 313 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: to count your steps too bad, So sad can't happen. 314 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: But I think that can get the internet Internet with it. 315 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: Exactly, so you know, look, this kind of makes you 316 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: want to give if you gave your child a flip phone, 317 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,359 Speaker 2: would she be able to bring that? I mean that 318 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 2: that would maybe be the backup plan for a parent, 319 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: but not everybody can afford that. 320 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: Obviously. 321 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: Now you have to have a whole other cell phone plan. 322 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: I mean that just seems silly. But would that make 323 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: it okay if you had a flip phone. 324 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: I wonder if there's an exception for that. I'm going 325 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: to look into that. I assume they thought of that. 326 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: But you make a good point. It's not a matter 327 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: of the Internet. There just have a phone that a 328 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: kid can you can get in contact. 329 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: And that's all we're talking about. 330 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: We don't I don't want my child on the Internet 331 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: distracted doing things they shouldn't be doing, when they should 332 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: be learning, when they should be paying attention, when they 333 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 2: should be engaging. They also point to this social issue. 334 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: They say that kids aren't interacting with each other, and 335 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: so they really believe by having this cell phone fan 336 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: that it's going to force kids to sit across from 337 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: each other at lunch and talk to each other instead 338 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: of having their heads down. Now, look, we do see 339 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: even just families on vacation. For a family four, a 340 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: family five, every single one of them, no one's talking 341 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: to each other. 342 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: Every single person is on the cell phone. 343 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: And when you sit there, like, just take a second 344 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 2: look at lunch, Look when you're on vacation this summer, 345 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 2: look and see how families operate. It's really sad. We're 346 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: all guilty of it here and there, but we all 347 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: get addicted. So I like the idea because it's a 348 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 2: huge problem with our kids. 349 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 3: They are socially awkward. 350 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: They don't know how to have conversations without hey, let 351 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 2: me look that up, or did you see what's on 352 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 2: TikTok or making TikTok videos in the cafeteria, all of that. 353 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 2: I am so for personal one on one conversations, face 354 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: to face engagement, but they're just there has to be 355 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: a better way than locking your phone up with zero 356 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 2: access to it. If you need it in a moment's notice. 357 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: And I think we're I think we've been clear, but 358 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: let's say it even clearer. We absolutely we think not 359 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: a single kid should be using the phone in class 360 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: at all, all day period period. Should not. And you 361 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: know what, I would even be in favor of banning 362 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: the use of the cell phones in the cafeteria. Fine, 363 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: put the signs up everywhere, monitor the kids. Let there 364 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: be consequences. Loo he got his phone taken away and 365 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: he got attention. I don't want that to happen to me. 366 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: It'll take two weeks in behavior will change. Fine, they 367 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: don't want to have to monitor. What we're saying here 368 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: is we're in favor of kids not using phones. We're 369 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: just not in favor of the phones being taken away 370 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: and access to them by their parents being taken away. 371 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna message my kid in the middle of class, 372 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: that's not what we're talking about. But if she goes 373 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: out to lunch, or if she does have an emergency, 374 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: this is only an emergency tool, period, That's what I'm 375 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: talking about, And we're taking a tool away. And in 376 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: a city like New York. I was upset when they 377 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: first implemented it, and I know you'll remember that when 378 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: I really went over the top and got it upset. 379 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: Is because they had a I think it was a 380 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: fire drill some of the for a couple of days. 381 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: It's hard for a lot of people around the country 382 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: to imagine the school you went to. Right there was 383 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: a playground outside, maybe even a parking lot. Over here, 384 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: you had a school campus. My child attends school on 385 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: the sixth and seventh floor of a high rise in 386 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: Lower Manhattan. That's a different experience. So she had a 387 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: fire drill, she has to come down. They're not just 388 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: outside on the lawn like you and I were as kids. 389 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: They're literally on the New York City street. The whole school, 390 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: the campus of children is standing on the street being 391 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: monitored by a handful adults. Car could come by hit 392 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: a kid, motorcycle. We got freaking scooters everywhere, You got bikes, 393 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: you got how many times if we had just a 394 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: manhole cover blow off here in New York and the 395 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: whole city shuts down. Because we're wondering if it was 396 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: a terrorist attack, Those things happen. If that happens and 397 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: my kid is on the street, she has no way 398 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: imagine the chaos you've been here Robes when there's some 399 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: emergency on the subway and everybody in the city is 400 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: doing what scrambling to find their loved ones. Are you okay? 401 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: Are you okay? Just checking? Where are you? We've all 402 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: been through that drill. You're taking that away. 403 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: Yes, and you know my kids are now in college 404 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: or even graduated from college. But I still remember feeling 405 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: safer and better knowing, especially if I was at work 406 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: and busy, knowing that they could get a hold of 407 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 2: me at any moment. Now I know they're saying, all 408 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 2: you have to do is ask a teacher. All you 409 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: have to do is go to the front office. Well, 410 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: that would be wonderful if it's something that allows for that. 411 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: There's enough time to do that, there's enough thought behind that. 412 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: But we all know in an emergency, all bets are off. 413 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: People are frantic, they aren't thinking clearly or critically, and 414 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 2: especially a kid, they don't have those skills and they 415 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: want to be able to reach out to their parents. 416 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 2: I'm even thinking, like, if something embarrassing happens, I'm gonna 417 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: say this. If your child gets her period and that happened, 418 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: that was a real thing that happened in the middle 419 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: of school. She might be too embarrassed to go talk 420 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: to the teacher or to like just to be able 421 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: to have that lifeline, to be able to reach out 422 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 2: to your mom and dad maybe in between classes and 423 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: say help, this is happening. 424 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: Can you come? You know I need you? And maybe 425 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: they don't feel comfortable going. 426 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 2: There's just a lot of different reasons why having that 427 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: access to your child and for your child to have 428 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: that access to you makes sense. Now again, yes, we 429 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: are all about those. It just seems like there could 430 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: be another place to put the cell phones, another way 431 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: to store the cell phones where they're easily accessed but 432 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: clearly policed. And look, I'm also curious and this is 433 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: what maybe educators would say to us. You say we 434 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: should police kids using their cell phones and there should 435 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 2: be consequences. 436 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: Our schools. 437 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: Are teachers able to actually provide real consequences without parents 438 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: and pushing back? Can they take someone's cell phone? Can 439 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: they could? If that person broke the policy multiple times? 440 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: Could they they then be banned from using their cell 441 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: phone or having a cell. 442 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 3: Phone at all? 443 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: Good? And you should make an example out of that 444 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: knucklehead on day one. Give it two weeks of actually monitoring, 445 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: Give it two weeks of enforcing your policy of no 446 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: cell phones in the school. And I just and I 447 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: know they're educators who are thinking differently. I'd say, you 448 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: don't teach. You ain't been in my classroom. That I respect, 449 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: and I get that is not my argument in the 450 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: least bit, But there are And you know what, we 451 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: were on the phone just before we started with my dad. 452 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: We were late recording because he was talking awful lot 453 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: about this, but he finally drove it home for me. 454 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: He goes again, my high school principal. He's now still 455 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: with the superintendent's office there in my hometown, but he's 456 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: going in ro You heard him at the beginning, and 457 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: you were maybe surprised, we both were. He's like, hell, yeah, 458 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: all four doing that here in Arkansas. You can't police 459 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: this stuff. These kids are crazy, they're slick, they can 460 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: absolutely sneak. Nothing you can do about this is an 461 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: educator of fifty. 462 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: Years, and he was talking about cheating and bullying. Really 463 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 2: those were the two big things, and distraction, but those 464 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: were all things. And I hadn't even thought about the 465 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: bullying part of it. And the cheating part obviously makes 466 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: a lot of sense as well. But yeah, he said, 467 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: as principal, I'm all for it, but as. 468 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: A parent, I'm not. And I think that's it. 469 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 2: He even said as a grandparent to Sabine, Yeah, thinking 470 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: about her in a New York City school without her 471 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: cell phone, I don't like that. So you can actually 472 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 2: support it. Yeah, you could support the band as an 473 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: educator and be against the band as a parent, and 474 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: both of them makes sense. 475 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: He split when he said it. It finally brought it 476 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: home to us, and Okay, we get it now. He 477 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: himself is for it and against it, depending on which 478 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: role he's playing. Is he an educator or is he 479 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: Sabine's granddad, And he saw it two different ways. Was 480 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: so fascinating to me. The last thing here, and this 481 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,239 Speaker 1: is law enforcement, and you have to lean on them. 482 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: They know what they're talking about, and I have to 483 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: believe that they believe what they're saying, which is that 484 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: they could do more harm during an emergency, because if 485 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: all the kids have their cell phones during an emergency, 486 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: instead of listening to the instructions of the teacher or 487 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: the person who's trying to get them to safety, maybe 488 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: they'd be looking down at the phone, Maybe they'd be 489 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: trying to call their parents and not paying attention to 490 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: those instructions. That does, I suppose, in theory makes sense. 491 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: It does doesn't make me feel any dotter. 492 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: Look, I mean, in certain scenarios, in certain situations, I 493 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: can absolutely see how that would be the case. You 494 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: would want your students focused on whoever is leading them 495 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: away from harm and towards safety. That absolutely makes sense. 496 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 2: But we both know that so often when the worst 497 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: case scenario happens, you're talking about hiding, you're talking about 498 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: needing help, you're talking about children. I mean, I know, 499 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 2: God Uvaldi, one of those kids was able to call 500 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: nine one one, and some lives were saved because police 501 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: were able to get there quicker. But there's a mad 502 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: scramble when these things happen. People aren't following orders, and 503 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 2: there isn't order, and there isn't let's go here. I 504 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: mean sure, in some cases I'm a fire something like that, Yes, 505 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: But if you've got an active shooter, if you've. 506 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 3: Got someone in that building who shouldn't be there. 507 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: And people are afraid, and you are hiding for your life, 508 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 2: and you need to alert and who knows, in those 509 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: chaotic moments, the teacher might not even have her phone. 510 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 2: It might be in her person they've run into a closet. 511 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: Whoever has their phone can call for help. And certainly 512 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: this stood out to me with what happened in Texas. 513 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: I know this might seem like a stretch, but this 514 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 2: thought came into my head about Sabine's school and now 515 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: that this has become a statewide issue and mandate those 516 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: kids at that summer camp, and my kids went to 517 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: summer camp and their phones were taken from them, but 518 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: they didn't have their cell phones there when those alerts 519 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: were coming over their phones when there was an urgent 520 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: message from the National Weather Service, you are in a 521 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 2: flood zone and there is true you know there is 522 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: massive flooding. 523 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 3: Headed your way. 524 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: If those kids at that camp, at that all girls 525 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: Christian sleepaway camp, if they had their phone, someone's phone 526 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: would have gone off, some alert would have happened, the 527 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 2: girls would have woken up, and there's a chance that 528 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 2: lives could have been saved. 529 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: I understand. 530 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 2: I loved that my kids didn't have cell phones for 531 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: a little while, but when I started thinking about worst 532 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: case scenarios, and yes they're few and far between, but 533 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: when they do happen, those cell phones save lives, and. 534 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: We've given them a lot, and we want to give 535 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: proper context and perspective. We understand. We talked about a 536 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: lot of scenarios, and some of them worst case scenarios, 537 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: some of them maybe more likely, and there are plenty 538 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: of other scenarios that people can keep coming up with 539 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: to why it's good and why it's bad. But just 540 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: simply stated, as a parent, and you mentioned summer camp, 541 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: you remember. 542 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 3: How I was when Sabina had We're not okay. 543 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: Sabine had her phone taken away for some again, she 544 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: was going with three weeks. 545 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 2: That's kind of the thing that you know, that is 546 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: standard operating procedure. And I get all the reasons why. Again, 547 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 2: they want the kids to connect. They want the kids 548 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: to play the way we play, to get dirty and 549 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: swim and have competitions and not be thinking about what's 550 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: on Instagram or what's on TikTok or all of those things. 551 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: So I actually appreciated that, But when you actually think 552 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: what if, what if, and it just it scares me. 553 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: I don't even think I thought about it as much 554 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 2: as I would now, given what happened in Texas and 555 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 2: certainly covering the school shootings that we've covered and the 556 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 2: terror attacks that we've covered, those things do happen, and 557 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 2: cell phones can make the difference. 558 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: Well again, Governor Hockel, now where she's coming from. Yes, 559 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: I think all people have good intentions on all sides here, 560 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: but it's just one and that it was you and 561 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 1: I have been passionate about and been dealing with for 562 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: a year because I think we've been sitting at this 563 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: table every time as the being comes in and say, hey, 564 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: it got an update on the pouches we're going to 565 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: be and it was just frustrating. We saw this coming 566 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: and anything can happen anywhere. Those scenarios are not likely, right, 567 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: school shootings are not likely. We know this, but God forbid, 568 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: because we don't want to have this conversation, sweetheart in 569 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: a few weeks, a few months, a few years that 570 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: somebody at some school could have been saved but their 571 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: phone was locked up. Hope we don't ever have to 572 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: have that conversation, because the conversation the next day and 573 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: the next day and the next day is going to 574 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: be a tough one. 575 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: It's something to think about, and there is no perfect answer, 576 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: but it's something certainly to consider. And you know, maybe 577 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: we'll have to come up with another way around, some 578 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 2: sort of way to walkie talkies. 579 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 3: Can we have walkie talkies. 580 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: Kids? It's more but to that point, you know. So 581 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: being told me I was talking to her about this 582 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: this morning, she said, Yeah, a lot of the kids 583 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: know how to unlock the pouches. She said, there's a 584 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: method they have. I shouldn't give it away, but it 585 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: takes a little effort and sometimes they end up damaging 586 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: the pouch. But some kids have come up with a 587 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: way to forcefully open that thing at school. Has she 588 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: promised me she hasn't done it. 589 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: Wow. 590 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: One other nugget with that, folks, We always appreciate you 591 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: hanging with us. Well, for now, I am as off 592 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: parent TJ. Holmes. I'm not that bad, but still passionate 593 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: about this one. But I'm TJ. Holmes and from our 594 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: partner here, Amy Robok, we always appreciate she hanging with us.