WEBVTT - Access to Medicine feat. Liz Carmouche 

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<v Speaker 1>Getting to talk to different Marines and just seeing for them,

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<v Speaker 1>like when they go to a doctor and doctors like here,

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<v Speaker 1>just take this. This is going to help you that

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<v Speaker 1>if we had all discovered CBD earlier in life, if

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<v Speaker 1>they'd still be around now and they wouldn't be drug addicts,

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't have lost all their jobs, they wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>in a mental health care facility because they lost it.

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<v Speaker 2>Lava for Good and Stand Together Music present The War

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<v Speaker 2>on Drugs Podcast Season two. This season, we're diving deeper

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<v Speaker 2>into the real stories behind the War on Drugs, it's impact,

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<v Speaker 2>it's failures, and the people offering a better path forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Today on the show, Bellator Women's MMA flyweight World Champion

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<v Speaker 2>and two times UFC finalists, five year Marine Corps veteran,

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<v Speaker 2>Once a Marine, always a Marine, and medicinal CBD education

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<v Speaker 2>and Access advocate Liz car Moosh. All Right, welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>another episode of season two of The War on Drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Podcast US in two. Yes, this is the season where

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<v Speaker 3>we actually talk to people.

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<v Speaker 2>Man a lot more pr just not just you, me and.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we actually going to see them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're in Nashville for this interview. Liz carmuche Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>US marine wants marine always a marine.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely mm A fighter, definitely a pain specialist.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like because we see what she does in the ring,

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<v Speaker 4>We see what happens in the fight.

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<v Speaker 3>But also she knows how to dish out the pain.

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<v Speaker 4>So she's a pain specialist in giving and receiving. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so if she tells you how to deal with you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a good concussed head, you might want to listen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>she knows a thing or two about this situation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>my pain is joints and self inflicted. I slept wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're a tall dude, and like you just you

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<v Speaker 2>take a lot of flights and punch me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I am suing you.

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<v Speaker 4>I am not built for that life.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, mental well being in particularly like PTSD with

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<v Speaker 2>the Mill Terry community. You know, we talked about in

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<v Speaker 2>our opening episode about how the federal government still you know,

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<v Speaker 2>schedules cannabis at the schedule one and so that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of trickles down on all the other agencies and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>else because they have to be speaking the same fenerty line.

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<v Speaker 2>So that means, you know, the VA, the Veteran Affairs,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't go out and say like yeah, we know

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<v Speaker 2>that this is schedule one, Like our buddies over here

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<v Speaker 2>at the DA are saying that, but like, don't worry

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<v Speaker 2>about it. So their whole thing is they cannot treat

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<v Speaker 2>PTSD with any type of cannis. They cannot tell a

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<v Speaker 2>state physician who can write a prescription that this individual

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<v Speaker 2>has PTSD or something else if the point is for

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<v Speaker 2>them to get a medical card. So that's how screwed

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<v Speaker 2>up the system is. And Liz and I touch and

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<v Speaker 2>you touch on that, you know, through the interview a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. But I think it's important to know that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not just a culture thing, Like these

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<v Speaker 2>policies have greater impacts just beyond the criminal justice system,

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<v Speaker 2>because now our health departments are housing. It gets into

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<v Speaker 2>like are you going to get food stamps or not?

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<v Speaker 2>Or a you're gonna get denied because it's in this schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to get your SNAPNEF. It's like all

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<v Speaker 2>these types of things trickle down because of this, And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just because you're in prison. It's because you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make ends meet, or you have children, or

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<v Speaker 2>you have chronic pain and you're trying to treat it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that's all the things. And one

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<v Speaker 2>thing I'll just touch on as well. You know, we

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<v Speaker 2>think of CBD is pretty innocuous. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of places, like I live in DC, live in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're in grocery stores or in most places. But

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of places have started to like recriminalize it.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of was becoming decriminalized in places, so now

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to roll it back a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 2>so then that's all these hemp products too, That's what

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<v Speaker 2>all these things are. And so again, it's all this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that hurts these businesses, hurts people. It touches everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't you don't realize until you just talk

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<v Speaker 2>to someone in like their story and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's because of that or like that x or like

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<v Speaker 2>it's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And some of this stuff is down to life

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<v Speaker 4>and death or our veterans. You know, SAT rate is

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<v Speaker 4>high among our veterans, and.

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<v Speaker 2>More people die of suicide thany ever do in combat.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah, right, And that's terrible to make it all

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<v Speaker 4>the way through a conflict and then come and feel

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<v Speaker 4>you know, so isolated, all right, so much pain, are

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<v Speaker 4>so disconnected.

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<v Speaker 2>The toughest battles are still ahead of you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, And I think the system kind of pushes

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<v Speaker 4>people towards the alcohol, which you know is an issue

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<v Speaker 4>with our veterans, or which is people towards the opioids,

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<v Speaker 4>which is, you know, the addictive way to temporarily fix

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<v Speaker 4>the pain.

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<v Speaker 3>But what do you what are you picking up?

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<v Speaker 4>You're losing the pain, but you're picking up an addiction

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<v Speaker 4>that you might not be able to sustain if the

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<v Speaker 4>doctor cuts you off. And now you're looking at black

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<v Speaker 4>marketplaces for opioids that you wouldn't have even been introduced to.

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<v Speaker 2>And the crazy thing is, again, is twenty at least

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine states categorically say PTSD is something that can

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<v Speaker 2>be helped treated with cannabis and can be prescribed for it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you look at the VA's website and it

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<v Speaker 2>says under no circumstays should you treat, And it's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on and where is this? Like can we

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<v Speaker 2>just be honest?

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<v Speaker 3>Like we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently medical professionals on both sides saying completely opposite things

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<v Speaker 2>like what's happening here? And so it's just it's really

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to kind of comprehend that, particularly with this population.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I think also Liz is not a person

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<v Speaker 4>that runs from anything. She's not scared of anything, right, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And you might want to run, but she's laying out

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<v Speaker 4>everything that she's seen in her experience. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's what we focus on a lot this season. Everybody

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<v Speaker 4>kind of gets to tell you from their perspective. And

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<v Speaker 4>it's not just a perspective of you're in the house

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<v Speaker 4>and you're regurgitating what you've heard from other people. These

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<v Speaker 4>are people's lived experiences. This is what people have been seen,

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<v Speaker 4>what they've been shown, and what they've learned. And if

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<v Speaker 4>we're not gonna come back with the knowledge from what

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<v Speaker 4>you're learning, and what's the point exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just to hear someone at the top of their

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<v Speaker 2>game talk about I have taken everything I have been,

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<v Speaker 2>I have the whole world in front of me. This

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<v Speaker 2>is how I treat my pain. And that's a story

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people are gonna get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of value at So we can't wait for y'all

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to it and.

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<v Speaker 3>Check it out.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey that me and Greg, our guests and sponsors may

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<v Speaker 4>sound smart, we may even make some good points, but

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<v Speaker 4>at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not medical professional.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Please don't get your medical advice from a podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Anything we say on here does not constitute official medical advice. Relax,

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<v Speaker 4>consult your doctor before you start any new treatment plans.

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<v Speaker 4>Got it all right, We're back right now. We got

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<v Speaker 4>somebody very special guests. Liz Carameves am I saying it right.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to make seeing.

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<v Speaker 4>What you do in the ring. So no, Mma fighter marine,

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<v Speaker 4>former marine man. We're glad always marine stops. Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 4>what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in the Marine, did a couple of tours

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, we have Carmes coming on. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh hell yeah who rah, Like she's a

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<v Speaker 2>bad Yeah, yeah, really thanks for being on the show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, You've got so many angles to this thing, and

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<v Speaker 4>you a big advocate for CBD. I think we would

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<v Speaker 4>try to get into that a little later, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>just take us through your your journey, like your story.

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm not mistaken. You grew up in Japan, parents

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<v Speaker 4>in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Military kind of yeah, my dad been in the Air Force,

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<v Speaker 1>but my parents split, they got divorced. I was in

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<v Speaker 1>Japan from three and a half till twenty Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>so lived off base, worked, went to school, did everything

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<v Speaker 1>off base, but a lot of the interactions we had

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<v Speaker 1>was on base, and I got to see all the

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<v Speaker 1>different branches. I got to see who they were as

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<v Speaker 1>they carry themselves as an international representative, right they're representing

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<v Speaker 1>the United States in another country. So I got to

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<v Speaker 1>see how each of the forces carried themselves there. I

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<v Speaker 1>got to see their side when they were with the

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<v Speaker 1>families and who they were within a family environment. I

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<v Speaker 1>got to see them do physical training and see like

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<v Speaker 1>who's the highest standard, and like every time it always

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<v Speaker 1>shone through his always the Marine Corps for me, Like

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's doing something out in town. You know everybody

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<v Speaker 1>parties are twenty one. These are young marines. But you

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<v Speaker 1>see somebody a little too drunk. They pick them up,

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<v Speaker 1>put them in a TAXI, take them home and make

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<v Speaker 1>sure he's safe. And then I watch Air Force like

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<v Speaker 1>fall into the streets cause an accident. See what those

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<v Speaker 1>are the branches.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, no, no, that's for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like physically, like when you think of how

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<v Speaker 1>sharp a Marine Corps uniform looks like to me, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the most badass uniform. It looks so cool and It's

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<v Speaker 1>just I always saw them carrying themselves, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>knew that education school wasn't for me. I love learning,

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<v Speaker 1>but doing in an environment where I have to like

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<v Speaker 1>sit in the classroom be forced to learn certain things,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I'm not that kid. Yeah, I'm not that kid.

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<v Speaker 1>And I knew that about me, and I knew financially too.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, the athletics is something that I passion for,

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<v Speaker 1>but financially it just wasn't a place for my family.

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<v Speaker 1>Was something to'd be able to afford to go away

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<v Speaker 1>to college and to be able to pursue that. So

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<v Speaker 1>the military really just fit every mark for me, and

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<v Speaker 1>that brought me to the United States. When I was

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<v Speaker 1>in the Marine Corps, I started to learn about MMA,

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<v Speaker 1>fell in love with that, started just doing workouts and

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<v Speaker 1>challenging myself, trying new things. And then when I got out,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like day one of officially being out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Marine Corps, started training and it's almost fifteen years

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<v Speaker 1>later and I haven't stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA did you have that moment of getting punched in

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<v Speaker 2>them out the first time? Being like all right, I didn't, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like that, but I can deal with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that in UFC Marines before.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably in the so I definitely got in fights as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. Yeah, I was just like a tiny little kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just raised to think that everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>a right to play sports and it doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a girl a boy. And my dad's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you're stronger than most kids. You actually need to dialop

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<v Speaker 1>back in, nicer and very protective over my younger sister.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like teeny tiny and frail. And then so

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<v Speaker 1>then once it was a part of the Marine Corps

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like learning how to kind of where to

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<v Speaker 1>direct this and do things like wow, this is really

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<v Speaker 1>fun and really cool, Like I can take a hit

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't nobody wants to take it and always

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<v Speaker 1>sit in there like this feels good. Nobody does that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know you realize, like, hey, I'm actually a

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<v Speaker 1>lot tougher than other people. I'm not crying about any

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<v Speaker 1>of these experience. I got a peogle stick to the

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<v Speaker 1>face and fell off the barrier and I'm on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground and I'm ready to get back up. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think I learned there that like physically pushing myself,

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<v Speaker 1>that I could take a lot more than other people,

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<v Speaker 1>and I like challenging myself to the maximum and physically

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<v Speaker 1>in every way possible. And then once I got into

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<v Speaker 1>MMA and I had like my first sparring sessions. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was my first week ever of training, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it probably started like on a Wednesday. Fridays are usually

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<v Speaker 1>known for every single class being sparring classes. And I

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<v Speaker 1>show up and it's like, hey, you got the heavyweights

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<v Speaker 1>and that's who you're gonna spar I'm like okay, Like

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<v Speaker 1>weight classes wasn't the thing to me and understand. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, you told me to do this, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it. And it's like coming out, my nose

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<v Speaker 1>is busted, my hair's ripped out, my shirt's torn, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like cool. They're like, yeah, we'll see if

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be back on Saturday, and I'm like, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at that point. I'm also man like if you tell

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<v Speaker 1>me like come back tomorrow, I'm gonna do whatever you say. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>go jump from that car to help you train, like okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like we'll see you tomorrow. I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you tomorrow. They come back like most people

0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.360
<v Speaker 1>don't actually come back, and I was like you told

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<v Speaker 1>me too, So I'm here, like, if you tell me

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<v Speaker 1>to do eight hours back to back, I'm doing eight hours.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just found out that that's what I love

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<v Speaker 1>doing and more than anything that getting hit is out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. It was just the learning experience of I

0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.320
<v Speaker 1>love then Mma. It's not checkers, it's chess, right, There's

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<v Speaker 1>so many pieces on the board that you have to learn.

0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.280
<v Speaker 1>You have to understand all of them. And that's the

0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.280
<v Speaker 1>same thing. Like you're learning how to do boxing and

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<v Speaker 1>muay Thai and wrestling and judo and all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then how to combine it all together. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. It's so challenging and engaging and pushing me intellectually,

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<v Speaker 1>mentally and physically that it's just addicting. And I just

0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.640
<v Speaker 1>couldn't help but just keep you back from more.

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<v Speaker 2>You've gone through things and you're like where everything is about,

0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.840
<v Speaker 2>like physical thing injuries can happen. I know with my

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<v Speaker 2>work doing criminal justice policy, where we see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people actually kind of lead down a place of

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<v Speaker 2>pain management, where it goes to a place of potentially

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<v Speaker 2>hope you a addiction or things is after an injury

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<v Speaker 2>where I know when I was working on resencing for

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<v Speaker 2>a gentleman who is in the Marine Corps towards ACL

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<v Speaker 2>or acting, got you know, strung out on pain pills

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<v Speaker 2>and had a fake gun in his pocket, try to

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<v Speaker 2>rob some CBS once they cut them off and edit

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<v Speaker 2>that thing you sayed relatively help you know, pain free.

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<v Speaker 2>But you see that. Can you talk about some of

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<v Speaker 2>the I guess the things that you've seen in your career,

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<v Speaker 2>either to you personally or to other people around that,

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<v Speaker 2>where you've seen the way that our system works, what

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<v Speaker 2>we prohibit and what we allow, and what we see

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<v Speaker 2>as kind of okay and what we don't how that

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<v Speaker 2>actually leads to pretty negative consequences for people, not just

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<v Speaker 2>for their careers, but their lives as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I mean when we talk about injuries, right, you're

0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.400
<v Speaker 1>already going through combat sports put so much wor and

0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.760
<v Speaker 1>tear in your body. It's inevitable even if you come

0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.400
<v Speaker 1>out without injury, Like you have less cartilage, you're in

0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.560
<v Speaker 1>your strained. You know, you're taking little bone spurs which

0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.160
<v Speaker 1>like microfractures, and that just calcifies you know, like there's

0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:03.840
<v Speaker 1>things that are going to happen and you just can't

0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.280
<v Speaker 1>get around it. Then you talk about the fatigue, the soreness, right,

0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.160
<v Speaker 1>concussions and how that alters everybody, Like I could. I

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<v Speaker 1>can remember one of my training partners he got knocked

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<v Speaker 1>out one practice and comes back to him. We're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>do you like said no, I want to keep going,

0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and just a lack of knowledge right to understand, and

0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.000
<v Speaker 1>so the coaches like, you know, he said he's good.

0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.960
<v Speaker 1>He's good. Now I understanding, Like that could have been

0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.280
<v Speaker 1>two concussions back back, he's dead, Like he goes home,

0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.800
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't wake up right, and then you start to

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<v Speaker 1>see like more and more he's altered. He's not sleeping

0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:34.320
<v Speaker 1>as well, he's having anger issues. He's stealing and getting

0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.360
<v Speaker 1>involved in alcohol when you never touched alcohol before getting

0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.520
<v Speaker 1>involved with drugs. Right, you definitely see changes where people

0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.400
<v Speaker 1>were like getting speeding tickets that never and there were

0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.760
<v Speaker 1>safe drivers and all of that. Seeing injuries where somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who was a clean person got surgery, had never had

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<v Speaker 1>opiates before, and they give to you like, hey, here's

0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a bottle of twenty five and they advise you like

0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.079
<v Speaker 1>you don't have a nurse that's staying there to help you, right, right,

0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:57.760
<v Speaker 1>So you're trying to limp around your house, or you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to like grab stuff and you only have one

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<v Speaker 1>arm and your limit. Nobody is regulating everything. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the bottle. We'll see you get into the month.

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<v Speaker 1>And they taste it, They're like, whoa, this is kind

0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.439
<v Speaker 1>of cool for the people that like it.

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<v Speaker 3>I can function.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they feel really good now, nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really listen that much because I'm just coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of surgery and somebody said like, hey, don't drive

0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.640
<v Speaker 1>when you do these, and they feel so good they

0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:19.200
<v Speaker 1>go out driving.

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<v Speaker 2>You definitely see pastime. Yeah right, somebody makes.

0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.840
<v Speaker 1>A small mistake and that alters the course of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a fighter who was young, and again he

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<v Speaker 1>had surgery. He just come out and nobody was there

0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to help him, and he does exactly that. He drives.

0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.280
<v Speaker 1>He gets a DUI because he's on pain meds, driving

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<v Speaker 1>under the influence, and he didn't release. I guess it

0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.120
<v Speaker 1>is on the bottle, but I was kind of out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I didn't listen to anybody, and then loses

0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.720
<v Speaker 1>his job because of it, loses his license because of it,

0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.200
<v Speaker 1>can't go do his job right, and then loses his

0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.520
<v Speaker 1>apartment and then down just goes downhill from there, the

0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.480
<v Speaker 1>fight career is over. So the one thing that he

0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.720
<v Speaker 1>was passionate and loving goes away from him, and he

0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.920
<v Speaker 1>just see their whole life go off course, and people

0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.400
<v Speaker 1>aren't advising you on alternates, like, yeah, cannabis can be

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<v Speaker 1>a great alter to that, so you can do something

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna remove the pain. Like I've had surgeries and thankfully, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate opiates just it makes me feel so sick.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like how my body feels, so I wean

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<v Speaker 1>myself off. They're like, all right, cool, so you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do this much. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna do the pills and get rid of it

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<v Speaker 1>and take it into too the clinic and like give

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<v Speaker 1>it to them. I don't have to take these, so

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<v Speaker 1>thankfully for me, I don't like them, right, and I'm fortunate,

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not so many other people.

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<v Speaker 4>That struggle with that, and so many people find out

0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.320
<v Speaker 4>they like them in a situation where you know, it

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't even like.

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<v Speaker 1>They would go yeah, yeah, something they wouldn't seek out.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a surgery, they had an injury where they're like, here,

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<v Speaker 1>take this insteady, and so yeah, it's just automatically come

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<v Speaker 1>out of it, and nobody's even recommending other options. And

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<v Speaker 1>I very quickly weaned myself off of it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't I don't want to take this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it. Thankfully, my mom came out and

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<v Speaker 1>she'd been a nurse, so she helped me. She's like, oh,

0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you need to take this much. I'm like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to. So she's like bringing me pain meds. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like sneaking them in a napkin and just like throwing

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<v Speaker 1>them away and not telling her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and then and then she's like, okay, cool, we

0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.800
<v Speaker 1>can kind of like dial it down and reduce the hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, ohyeah, already, stop taking it? Yeah what like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped taking them. I don't take them, are you no?

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm given to you. I'm like, yeah, I've been

0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.800
<v Speaker 1>throwing in the knapp boy like I don't take some

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<v Speaker 1>super fortunate And then I started getting into CBD because

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to remove the pain. I wasn't right,

0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.520
<v Speaker 1>there was still pain there, but I was like, Okay,

0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.800
<v Speaker 1>this is much more manageable and I feel more in

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<v Speaker 1>connection with my body. And when I went into the

0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.800
<v Speaker 1>doctor and like he hate, everything's looking great. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you doing on pain? I'm like, yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped taking the payments in the first week. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do that. I'm like, well I did what

0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like, well, how do.

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<v Speaker 1>You manage the pain and the inflammation? Like everything looks

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<v Speaker 1>really good. I'm like CBD. They're like I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that does that?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Mind you this is wow ten years ago, right, and like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I'm like, well, that's the only

0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.440
<v Speaker 1>thing I'm doing is I'm doing CBD for pain and

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<v Speaker 1>for inflammation. And I've done all the other protocol you

0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.880
<v Speaker 1>guys have said, but it's it's CBD. It's hardy do things.

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<v Speaker 1>And mind you, had I know more about cannabis, I

0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.360
<v Speaker 1>probably would have used that as an alternative, because there

0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:00.600
<v Speaker 1>was still a lot of pain and a lot of

0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.400
<v Speaker 1>sleepless nights trying to get through it. And I'm like

0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm just not I feel so sick. I'm giving the

0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:07.280
<v Speaker 1>pain meds that they gave me. It's just not even

0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.920
<v Speaker 1>an option. Trying to like argue with the doctor about

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not going to do pain meds when that's

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<v Speaker 1>all they're advising you to do is do that. Was like,

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<v Speaker 1>why am I having to argue about my care? Like

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<v Speaker 1>you on this bottle also says like risk right, it

0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:20.879
<v Speaker 1>could have all of these side effects, and they give

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<v Speaker 1>you a print out of all the bad possibilities. I'm like,

0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.320
<v Speaker 1>you're giving me something and there's like twenty nine things

0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.359
<v Speaker 1>on here that could go bad, one of which is death.

0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.360
<v Speaker 1>And we know like the addiction level for people. Why

0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:34.639
<v Speaker 1>would you push this on me? And what I have

0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.399
<v Speaker 1>to argue about not taking this and tell you that,

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<v Speaker 1>like you can prescribe it to me, I'm not going

0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.080
<v Speaker 1>to get it. And I can remember, like I had

0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:43.600
<v Speaker 1>another surgery and I come out and I'm like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't take payments and make me really sick. I

0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.240
<v Speaker 1>don't like them, and I've learned how to deal with

0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:48.879
<v Speaker 1>the pain. Like trust me, you're gonna want to take

0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like I'm not going to and they maybe they're

0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.000
<v Speaker 1>like you cannot do the surgery and finish it off

0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.000
<v Speaker 1>if you don't actually take this prescription. Like so I

0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.760
<v Speaker 1>have to pay for a medication, I'm never going to

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<v Speaker 1>eat And I told you guys, I'm like, we'll just

0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:03.600
<v Speaker 1>give you a different one that'll agree with you better.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, it's not God, I don't I don't

0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.520
<v Speaker 1>want to see this, like I'd rather not. And they

0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:08.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't even give me an option.

0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.440
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty remarkable, like we're almost like forced into these

0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.520
<v Speaker 2>buckets and you're not allowed to do the other things.

0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.440
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm curious with your journey with with CBD.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that first experience with it? Were you always

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<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, hey, I always think this could

0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.280
<v Speaker 2>be something interested? Were you skeptical just just curious your

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts and how did you change over?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was super skeptical.

0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:31.320
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom was pretty open about her cannabis used and

0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:35.520
<v Speaker 1>she's like, yeah, I like pot. You know, I was

0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.720
<v Speaker 1>born this in the fifties. I've lived through sixties and seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can have a healthy relationship with it.

0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm like cool, I'm like, it's not for me. And

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<v Speaker 1>I joined the Marine Corps and it's not an option, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And so the only thing I knew about CBD was

0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.600
<v Speaker 1>THC base. I'm like, yeah, guys, I can't I fight

0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.920
<v Speaker 1>for a living and I don't want to be high,

0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just not of interest to me. I'm good.

0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.119
<v Speaker 1>And one of the guys I worked with, he was

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<v Speaker 1>a veteran and he had a big connection with CBD.

0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.200
<v Speaker 1>He's liken't check out this company. It doesn't have You're

0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.679
<v Speaker 1>not going to get high by using CBD. And he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was medically discharged from the Air Force. I experienced pain,

0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:09.439
<v Speaker 1>and this is what I do to help me sleep,

0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.920
<v Speaker 1>to help me go through anxiety, and to help me

0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.160
<v Speaker 1>reduce the pain. He's like going to help so much.

0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:15.560
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I don't want to take pain meds and

0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.280
<v Speaker 1>he's like, my body is so messed up for me

0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.440
<v Speaker 1>medically discharge. I needed something. And he was a respectable

0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.920
<v Speaker 1>person who's like leading this group that was helping veterans,

0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.560
<v Speaker 1>really professionally human being and a guy I really trusted

0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and liked. So I'm like, Okay, he's not a pothead,

0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.560
<v Speaker 1>so you know, like I'm gonna trust him what he

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<v Speaker 1>has to say about CBD. I started looking it up.

0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, maybe you can do CBD without getting

0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.720
<v Speaker 1>high and I don't have to worry about stuff. And

0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I talked to the company and I was like, Wow,

0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.000
<v Speaker 1>these people nobody's they're not all potheads here and they're

0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.600
<v Speaker 1>showing me around their business and showing me everything, and

0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.000
<v Speaker 1>everybody is really functioning. I'm like, I think I've really

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.159
<v Speaker 1>misunderstood one what a pothead was, and then two like

0:19:50.720 --> 0:20:01.960
<v Speaker 1>CBD and THHC aren't the same thing. So they gave

0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.399
<v Speaker 1>me some product to try, Like I don't know. I'm like, okay,

0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.080
<v Speaker 1>but like I'm having trouble sleeping. Pain's really bad. I

0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:09.960
<v Speaker 1>tried it out and I didn't expect it. Like I

0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.720
<v Speaker 1>took the dose that they recommended. I'd laid on the

0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:13.800
<v Speaker 1>couch and woke up and I'd been in the same

0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.800
<v Speaker 1>position because I passed off so hard for the first

0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:18.919
<v Speaker 1>time in like a month, and like my back was

0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:20.679
<v Speaker 1>hurting because I was like sleeping in a weird position

0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I slept on the couch like I

0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.119
<v Speaker 1>don't sleep on the couch, and I'm like that was

0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.760
<v Speaker 1>like eight hours ago, Like holy crap, and I'm not

0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.679
<v Speaker 1>in pain other than I slept in a funky position,

0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:32.320
<v Speaker 1>like I'm not in pain. Stuff. I'm like okay, And

0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I tried it again the next day. I'm like, Wow,

0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.920
<v Speaker 1>this stuff actually really works, and yeah, I'm not high.

0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.040
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing else coming negative about it. I feel really good.

0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:43.159
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm managing mental health a lot better. Physically,

0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel better, and because I'm not in pain, I'm

0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.720
<v Speaker 1>sleeping through the night. All right, Maybe there was some

0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:49.600
<v Speaker 1>more truth thiss. So I did even more research to

0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.600
<v Speaker 1>try and understand the different types of CBD and all

0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the benefits of it, and the difference between THHC and CBD.

0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Wow, this is actually really beneficial. Why

0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:00.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't I doing this before? Like I would have never

0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I would have really fought with my surgeon about not

0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:07.920
<v Speaker 1>using products like that with opiates and just on this instead.

0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Like if I had known, I'm like, man, I definitely

0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.320
<v Speaker 1>had a really a misunderstanding.

0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.560
<v Speaker 2>And you're someone in training nutrition, going out of doctors

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.000
<v Speaker 2>constantly being not one person like let alone someone that's

0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.680
<v Speaker 2>just an insurance agent, you know kind of then except

0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:24.440
<v Speaker 2>hurt their knee, like they're just going in call today

0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.200
<v Speaker 2>they have no ID. Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy.

0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.000
<v Speaker 2>You weren't made aware of you.

0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.800
<v Speaker 4>Ever hied tolerance or a threshold probably for pain. So

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:36.280
<v Speaker 4>just imagine other people like the CBD. How much I

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.240
<v Speaker 4>guess maybe give us like a scale of how much

0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.000
<v Speaker 4>it decreased your pain or what could people look too

0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 4>like equivalent.

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean substantially without all the like when

0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I compared to an opiate, Like when I took opiates,

0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.639
<v Speaker 1>I still felt the pain. It was just a different

0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.240
<v Speaker 1>sensation of people, right right, and then it was just like.

0:21:55.400 --> 0:22:00.680
<v Speaker 4>It feels like you don't care then yeah yeah.

0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.800
<v Speaker 1>But then also I felt nauseous, I felt groggy, and

0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.800
<v Speaker 1>then I felt bloated, and you know all these other

0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 1>like my sleep was weird and it wasn't good. On CBD,

0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I was clear headed, you know. Inflammation was reduced significantly,

0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and that was like a big thing too. Is when

0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 1>you train as much as I do, you have information

0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.720
<v Speaker 1>all over your body and again and again, like I

0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.480
<v Speaker 1>do blood work, My blood work markers will show inflammation

0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.480
<v Speaker 1>levels and it shows a significant production. I'm talking fifty

0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.360
<v Speaker 1>percent in inflammation workers compared to what it had been. Right,

0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.640
<v Speaker 1>So like, okay, well that I can clearly see is helping.

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I can see in a joint like if my elbow

0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.720
<v Speaker 1>got smashed in and it's swollen, it reduced down. And

0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.640
<v Speaker 1>so if I can visibly see no right inflammation, it's

0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:45.240
<v Speaker 1>not swollen, it has gone down pain wise, I'm not

0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:47.000
<v Speaker 1>focusing on the pain. There's still a little bit of

0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 1>pain there, but I'm aware of it. It's not distracting

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:51.960
<v Speaker 1>me from it, and it still isn't hurting. I can

0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:53.919
<v Speaker 1>go drive and I'm not impaired and go through So

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.680
<v Speaker 1>to me, just all around much better option than using

0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:58.359
<v Speaker 1>other things that they give you.

0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Me, I feel like you're an expert on it.

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.919
<v Speaker 4>You've done You've done two of probably the toughest jobs,

0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.400
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, for the marine and then

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 4>to actually fight in a combat sport.

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:11.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So if people are listening to her and they're like,

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 2>all right, this is Liz Carmon, she's a marine, she's

0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 2>a MMA fighter, Okay, that's her. What about what about

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:20.359
<v Speaker 2>just like the typical person, you know, they're going to

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.160
<v Speaker 2>the gym a few times a week, they're getting information.

0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 2>This is not gonna work. I need more. I'm gonna

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 2>need something else. Like she can tolerate page, she can

0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:27.520
<v Speaker 2>handle it. Like what would you say to them.

0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd say my mom is a prime example. It's like, yeah,

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:32.919
<v Speaker 1>she used cannabis and she was is okay for like

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.199
<v Speaker 1>smoking weed, but CBD wasn't something she was familiar with,

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 1>like the polar opposite. I didn't know anything about CBD,

0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 1>And again she was asking me, She's like, hey, I

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:44.720
<v Speaker 1>remember when you had surgery and you weren't taking on

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the obvious, but you got through it. Like what exactly

0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:50.159
<v Speaker 1>were you doing to help that? And she ended up

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.720
<v Speaker 1>having surgeries too, like she had to have knee replacement

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.920
<v Speaker 1>surgery and it didn't work, and so she definitely want

0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:59.000
<v Speaker 1>something different because she's home alone really easy to just

0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.200
<v Speaker 1>like be so focused on the pain and you get

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.919
<v Speaker 1>through it. And she tried CBD and she's like, this

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.920
<v Speaker 1>actually works really well, Like immediately I noticed information goes

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 1>down immediately pain wise, it's almost like fifteen twenty minutes

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 1>where I notice a change in it. And she's so

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.919
<v Speaker 1>like hyper aware of her pain and in such a

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>pain state that I mean, it's my mom's seventy two now,

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 1>she's just turned seventy three. So like when you know,

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 1>if you're like six year old mom and she's saying like, oh,

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm in pain, like she's not gonna get rid of pain.

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 1>That's not somebody you definitely want to reduce it. So

0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:29.560
<v Speaker 1>when she says there's a difference to me, that's a

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.119
<v Speaker 1>big difference. Yeah, yeah, right, And so that's who I

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 1>noticed more because, like you said, yeah, I could. I've

0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 1>gone through a lot of pain and learned how to,

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>like to some level, turn that switch off and ignore

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 1>it to some degree you have to. And she's somebody

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:42.440
<v Speaker 1>who like doesn't turn that switched off and definitely doesn't

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.239
<v Speaker 1>ignore it and notices it. And CBD changed that for

0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.199
<v Speaker 1>her and she could notice a difference, and that's me

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:47.879
<v Speaker 1>speaks to it.

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 2>No, that's that's awesome. And I think obviously there's there's ignorance,

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.240
<v Speaker 2>and there's you know, an education on this and that

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 2>the high you know that people just have that. And

0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:57.720
<v Speaker 2>then I think a lot of that is because of

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:01.119
<v Speaker 2>our culture and our stigma behind CAMPA that MCBD, that

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 2>it's still illegal in a lot of places. There's people

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 2>in prison right now, you know, for doing things that

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:08.560
<v Speaker 2>people are making you know, millions for and things like that,

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:10.439
<v Speaker 2>and so there is this stigma. And then also what

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:12.920
<v Speaker 2>happens when you have states that are legal or some

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:15.639
<v Speaker 2>are decriminalized, you get a lot of let's just call

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 2>it bullshit on the market. And so a lot of

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 2>people's first experience with cannabis is something where they thought

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.160
<v Speaker 2>it was this but then there's all this other stuff

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 2>in it, or they thought they were going to take

0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:27.879
<v Speaker 2>CBD and they got it like their you know, grocery

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 2>store down the road. It's like some five dollars tub

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.359
<v Speaker 2>And then you're like, Okay, why do you think this

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:34.439
<v Speaker 2>is gonna like it's getting like a five dollars lobster?

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Like you think it's gonna be a good lobster? Like,

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 2>probably not? And so did you experience that? Have you

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 2>seen people like I just know that there's a lot

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 2>of there's a lot of crap out there, and a

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of that is because you know, there's this stigma

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.199
<v Speaker 2>around it. Yeah, So I'm curious like did you have

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>to sort through things that worked for you particularly or

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>did you kind of have things come around?

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:51.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I definitely had to. Thankfully, like I said,

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>with my friend, he helped kind of direct it because

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>he knew the company's producing it, right, So that made

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 1>it definitely a lot easier when you get to go

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:02.360
<v Speaker 1>to it and you get to see firsthand what they're

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.199
<v Speaker 1>producing and the whole process and what they have. But

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.719
<v Speaker 1>then yeah, then once federally everything changed. What was before

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.199
<v Speaker 1>you had to go out of your way and they

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 1>only had like good quality stuff out there and it

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't as popular to then it being oversaturated in the

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 1>market where you're like, hey, it's twenty five cents for

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the CBD. I'm like, yeah, that's that's probably not it right, right,

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>But again, having to do research and really see stuff

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and try things out, I definitely have done things where

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, hey, I ran out of my CBD and

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I made a huge mistake in practice and I got

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.199
<v Speaker 1>dropped and because I got my legs kicked out from

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 1>under me and twisting my ankle and now my ankle's

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 1>sooling this big and I and I have I'm not

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:39.879
<v Speaker 1>going to go do anti inflammatory medication, Like I'm just

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>not that person. I'm not going to take it anymore.

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not putting my liver through that. And I don't

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:45.879
<v Speaker 1>have CBD, so I need something. I'm like, cool, just

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.240
<v Speaker 1>went to the store, Like how convenience at the grocery shore.

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm like yeah, yeah, you know. Now look at it,

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why is that twenty five milligrams or sugar

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>in it?

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Inflammatory marker and increases inflammation, Like that's not going to

0:26:57.560 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>help me, so like, okay, not that, and then it's like, wow,

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm having to weed through to see all the junk

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 1>that's here, canola oil and CBD. Yeah right right, So

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 1>it's really it does become very difficult, and most people

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>aren't looking ingredients in their food, let alone their medication

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>to really discern what's the good what's the bad.

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Right, And then most people too, they're like, hey, I

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:18.919
<v Speaker 1>can get my medication for twelve dollars for one hundred pills,

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>and it cost me one hundred and twenty dollars to

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>get good CBD. So very quickly people are being like, well,

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I'd rather go cheaper. I'm like, yeah, but cheaper's going

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 1>to mess up your body. There's a reason for it.

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen people that you're like, man, I wish

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:33.360
<v Speaker 2>i'd talked to them earlier, or kind of like changeovers

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>where you're like they were doing X and now they're

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 2>doing Y. Any other examples like that within your career, yeah, fighting, Yeah.

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, talking to because I had been in California

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 1>for a long time being on a fighting team and

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 1>getting to have a lot of military personnel that you

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 1>worked with, interact with that you knew they're like, hey,

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>we see you. We know you're not the type of

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:52.880
<v Speaker 1>person that's going out getting high every day, So what

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 1>are you doing because my body's messed up for the

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>military and I'm about to get out. Getting to talk

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>to different rains and just seeing for them, they're like okay, difference,

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Like thank you so much, Like that that was huge,

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>And then seeing other people too, where like you said, yeah,

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 1>like what if those training partners that they discovered for

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 1>trying to conflict with pain when they go to a

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>doctor and doctors like, here, just take this. This is

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 1>going to help you. That if we had all discovered

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>CBD earlier in life, if they'd still be around now

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>and they wouldn't be drug addicts, the wouldn't have lost

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>all their jobs, they wouldn't be in a mental health

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:27.880
<v Speaker 1>care facility because they lost it, you know. And it's like, yeah,

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I wish that we had all known better then and

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 1>there had been this research and been more information out there,

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>because maybe not, but I certainly hope that that would

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 1>have made a difference had they had that option.

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very at least being exposed to it. For every person,

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a different path and that can

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 2>be the right path for people. But the fact that

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 2>you don't even gain the information, like I know, for

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>like veterans' affairs, you can't even go to them. They

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 2>can't talk to you about cannabis. They can't even write

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 2>you a recommendation saying that you have PTSD if the

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>purpose is to give it to like a state physician,

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>which is you tell people that it's absolutely freaking crazy,

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>but you don't even get the option to hear that.

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 2>And then so where are you gonna go? You're gonna

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 2>go to other sources of information. And obviously you have

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 2>a good head on your shoulder and you're looking at

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>things and you have a team around you, but you're

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>just sitting on the couch at home trying to figure

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>it out, scrolling through and read you know, all this stuff.

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 2>It's confusing and scaring. You're probably going to get something

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 2>that's not greater poor information.

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, And like I said, when

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>it comes to you have the option of having a

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>product that's super cheap, right, Like you can get opiates

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's two dollars and you get twenty five pills

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>that they prescribe you. But you can't be prescribed CBD,

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>and you can't you want to have to spend one

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty dollars and you're doing the math like,

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>well this is easier. Want to just do this instead

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>and then don't have to research and look things up

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>and have to It shouldn't be that way. It it's

0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>so much cheaper to get these things that you know

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>are hurting you rather than something that's helping them.

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 4>As far as with the veterans, have you seen like

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 4>movement from like the top.

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I see with the VA that they still fall under

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the conflict of federal enforcement. Right, So because federally we

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 1>still learn this great of what THC, CBD and everything

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 1>else can be used, they're not vocalizing any of that,

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 1>and so unfortunately it's still pushed that the main source

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>of what they're offering the military and veterans is still opiate's.

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 1>It's still motor and it's still flex role for a muscle. Right.

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>And then I do see that there are certain people

0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>that really is just based on states to state. We're

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 1>still in that conflict where I've heard some people where

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>they're like, hey, you use CBD, and there's kind of

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.479
<v Speaker 1>like they can't say anything. These give you the thumbs up,

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>and then you can be in a different state where like, no,

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you can't use that, those are drugs, and I'm like, whoa,

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>what are we just like going from California to Tennessee

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>and the hearing, I'm like, I didn't think that we

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 1>went back in time and it was just such a

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>different scene. And the issue always run into is like

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>whoever's in charge is on a rotation two to four years,

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>whatever their term is. You could have somebody who at

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 1>the end of the term is starting to see differences

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 1>right and evolve with their policies and try and enforce

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>new things and change things. But then the moment they

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 1>start to make change, they're two to four years is up,

0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>somebody else comes in with the whole different agenda. They're

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 1>completely ahead of everything and they're like I see these

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>involvements in these changes happening, or they're completely against it.

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>And that's always the difficulties when with the military, Like

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>even I can remember being in the Marine Corps and

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you have we have somebody who's in charge, right, they're

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>in charge of all the Marine Corps. They come in

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>they're like, our policy is a marines are allowed to

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>have tattoos, but only like a three court sleeve. Next

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>person comes in, they go absolutely no tattoos whatsoever, and

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>everybody that gets tattoos gets kicked out. Okay, so two

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.959
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago before you changed, we were just everybody went

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>out and got three court sleeves like yeah, sorry, you're

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>out now, and something like that. That really shouldn't have

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I understand, but shouldn't really have a plan in things.

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 1>They're inappropriate tattoos, which has always been the thing. But

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>and that policy just tattoos is everything from medical like

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>CBD being allowed, and then the next person comes in

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 1>they go absolutely no CBD. You've got to you got it,

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>absolutely ridiculous. And so whereas one person making changes and

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 1>making headwig in a positive way, somebody else slides in

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 1>as a whole different thought process. And so it's really

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 1>hard to keep up with it because the VA operates

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>for the military, so in that same sense, they're evolving

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>and rotating the same way that the military does. So

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 1>it's really hard. And I see a lot of other people,

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>like veterans like myself that have gotten out and they're

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to go to the VA and say like, hey,

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>this needs to change, like these are the benefits that

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>we're having. And they're trying to talk to people, but again,

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, like they're making headway. They're going working the

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>way up the structure to talk to more people, talking

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>to the next head above them and above that. But

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 1>then everybody changes and pre people are talking before they're

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, absolutely, we hear what you're saying. You want

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>to make changes, all those people are gone, right, And

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>so it's really hard to make those movements, and to

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>make those adjustments, it's got to start from much higher

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 1>than that to be able to really have an effect.

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Who's the man?

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in this situation, I think you know, we're gonna

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>have to go to like higher government. We're talking like presidency.

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:53.479
<v Speaker 1>We're talking people within Congress, within the Senate. Those are

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 1>the people that need to make those bigger changes because

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>they're ultimately it's Congress and the Senate that has overseeing

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 1>over them to make those changes. Right, So somebody changes

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>there and it trinkles down everybody's changes. So I think

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 1>if we can at the beginning of somebody's term, get

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 1>to them and be able to say like, hey, these

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>are the positive effects that we think we could help

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>introduce into the va that's when it starts to happen,

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 1>because that's when policies change. And unfortunately, what I see

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>with the va IS is after so many losses like

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>suicide within the veteran community and raising awareness on that,

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, like you lose a few veterans of suicide,

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>that should be enough.

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 2>We should be like, hey, we should do something's going

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 2>on here, not like hey.

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Years of losing people to realize that what we're doing

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 1>now isn't working and we need to change things.

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 2>And you were talking about some of the advocacy that's

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 2>coming from the military community now. And I worked a

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 2>little bit in Kentucky where Dakota Meyer was with someone

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:50.719
<v Speaker 2>who worked with a Republican governor to talk about, you know,

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 2>bringing plant based medicines there to fight mental health and

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 2>opioid addition. Because he said, you know, I'm a Medal

0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 2>of Honor, you know, recipient. I did multiple tours here.

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I've lost so many more people back home to suicide

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 2>than I ever did on any of my tours over

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I rack of Agans. So when you hear that, you

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>can't just say oh, okay, moving on like that means something.

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's simply looking at the numbers, like if

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>we look at how many deuis happen because of people

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 1>being under the influence fights, just altercations that happen, violence

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>that happens. Let's look at those numbers that are involved

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 1>with alcohol and then look at all the numbers of

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 1>these altercations that happen under the influence of THHC. I

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>bet it's a lot most Like we said, most people,

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:33.399
<v Speaker 1>if they smoke weed, they haven't edible.

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 2>What do they want to do?

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>They want to veg out and they want to chill.

0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 1>They're not looking to go to a fight, whereas people

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>ge get drunk. I know that I did too when

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I was in the Marine Corps. I got drunk like yeah,

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.959
<v Speaker 1>fighting socks fighting, so yeah, absolutely, you want to punch

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 1>me like cool for no reason. Next day be like

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>why did I do that? Like you're not hearing the

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 1>people say the same thing, like why do oh I

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 1>ate too much food? Like if nothing else alone, let's

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 1>just look at that find you. I understand. You want

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>to restrict it. You want to make taxes, you want

0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 1>to make money. Let's just look at those numbers. Loan

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:06.239
<v Speaker 1>about live's loss altercations, money lost for having to give

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>these people tickets, having to just everything there for violent

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>acts destruction that's done the businesses because somebody was drunk

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 1>and under the influence as opposed to people under the

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:18.240
<v Speaker 1>influencyc just compare those two numbers, and why why would

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>we not say yes to one ding advice the other? Like,

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm ingesting unnecessary calories. I don't feel good after doing this,

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>whether there's decisions I made under the influence or the

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>next day, I don't feel good. So I finally came

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to a point where I'm like and then doing more

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 1>recent I'm like, wow, I was really really bad for you,

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>but it's so socially acceptable, And I'm like, man, since

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I stopped and I don't even know when that was,

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>but since I stopped drinking, I've never had to like

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 1>argue with people so much about why I don't want

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 1>to drink. Where I go to any public event and

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>they're like, hey, I'm like, oh, no, thank you, on

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 1>to drinking.

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Why not?

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>What's wrong with you? I'm like, I don't want to

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 1>drink and like, just have one. I'm like, I don't

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 1>want to have one. It's just one, You'll be fine.

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't. I'm like, okay, but I've never

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>like I've had somebody offer me wee. I'm like, no,

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm good, like all right, cool, no worries. Yeah, Like

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I never have to argue about that, but I have

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>to argue my points to say, no, I don't want

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>to drink and you are.

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to push it.

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, do you want to hear this? No, that's a

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 4>thank you that means this word for me.

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 1>But like, and being in events where people are like,

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't trust somebody that doesn't drink, like really because

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.959
<v Speaker 1>I almost can't trust somebody that can drink, right, because

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>how often the next day you're talking to something, they're like, yeah,

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember saying or doing that, right man, that

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>that's not trustworthy, and it's it sucks. I'm like, hey,

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>somebody wants to drink, that's your choice. If I don't

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 1>want to drink, that should be okay too. I'm not

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>judging you one way or the other. Yeah, And it's not.

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>It's so culturally, it's such a part of our culture

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:39.880
<v Speaker 1>now that you're wrong if you don't drink.

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm curious with sports leagues have always they've been

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 2>very similar kind of the van and on the other

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 2>side of the private sector area you have sees as archaic.

0:36:58.040 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I think people see it. They always are on the

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 2>forefront of a lot of things on how to make

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:03.360
<v Speaker 2>things work. Like you look during COVID, they were the

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>first people to try to figure out how to open

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 2>back up, and they were very you know, much more

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 2>I think socially driven in a lot of ways on

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 2>social rights and drug policy and things like that. Accepting

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 2>being open to that. Can you talk about a little

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 2>bit your experience, like dealing with mixed martial arts and

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 2>how you've seen that and maybe maybe seening parallels to

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 2>other athletes that you see in other leagues where they're

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 2>much more restrictive on these types of thing are not

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 2>as supportive. I'd be really curious about that.

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Definitely in the early days, like Andrew asadav when

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 1>you got drug tested, was no THC. There's no drugs

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 1>of any sort, even if you're prescribed to medication, Like

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.400
<v Speaker 1>even if you had surgery, you still have to submit

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:40.319
<v Speaker 1>paperwork and doctors notices to say that you're approved to

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 1>do that, right, and most of the time you're not

0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>thinking like you just came on doctor's office round, like yeah,

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to sbmit all this paperwork to Soden to

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 1>get approval to say like hey, I'm supposed to take

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 1>this right. And then that changed to where the only

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 1>rule was you couldn't have teasing your system ten hours

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>before you fight and leading up to it, so it's

0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 1>within a certain window. And then talking to another friend

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>that's a professional NBA player, they're like, yeah, no TFC

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>at all. Ever doesn't matter the time. It does not

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:07.919
<v Speaker 1>ten hours before I have a competition. It's not twenty four,

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.719
<v Speaker 1>there's no ever. And like CBD and now you're seeing

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 1>like you said, you can see it as being one

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of the major parts within the cage where it's on

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the pad and it's a CBD company and like you

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 1>show up to your fight and in your goodie bag

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>where you have like their customary T shirt and also

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 1>there's also CVD. Like a huge difference between like we're

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna test you, don't you dare have CBD in your body,

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:27.920
<v Speaker 1>to hey, we're gonna give you this c like wait,

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 1>wait is this fawn that ten hour window? Like I'm

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:32.280
<v Speaker 1>I actually allowed to do this, So a huge huge

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 1>change and again not necessarily them advocating for induction how

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>it helps you. It's not educating you on how it

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>helps you. But going from its band you're not allowed

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>to have it at all to now it's a part

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 1>of your your gimme bag, right, you can have it.

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a huge difference. And that's still not in public sports, right,

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>You're still not seeing it in the major leagues where

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 1>they're allowed to have these things and they have those

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 1>same level of a lack of restriction. It's still very

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 1>much a no go and they're not allowed to do it.

0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 1>And still in the military too.

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:02.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you would want something that kind of helps out

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 4>or prolongs the ability of whatever sport or whatever player

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 4>it is. Like you know, like Okay, if this dude

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 4>recovers better with CBD then getting on these opioids, drinking,

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 4>doing something dumb, you know, like how much of that

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 4>is a factor? How much like with anything where you

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:24.759
<v Speaker 4>might get a concussion, Like, is there any research on that?

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's there's not research on it. Because I was

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:28.879
<v Speaker 1>curious about that too, just to see because if it's

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 1>reducing inflammation, then theory some of the damage is done

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:34.719
<v Speaker 1>from brain damage, is inflammation within the brain right now, right,

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and I know that I'd gotten dropped really bad in practice,

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 1>like it got a really bad concussion, and try to

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 1>do everything from omega acids and trying to make sure

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that I have my omega threes, doing everything from healthy

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:55.399
<v Speaker 1>fats to fish oils to all the like allions made

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 1>mushrooms and things like that. So trying to ingest as

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:00.600
<v Speaker 1>much as that doing pressure treatment where they push in

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 1>the chamber right. And then the other thing I did

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I upped my CBD because I kind

0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 1>of fallen off. I was like, oh, no, no big deal.

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm like, oh, I made sure. And I'm a

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 1>part of a study that does brain scans and if

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 1>you get a concussion, if there are markers in your brain,

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>they're not getting it's in your blood and because you

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>have increased information in your blood and they can see

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 1>like essentially scars issue in your brain is permanent. It

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't go away you get a concussion. It's not like,

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>oh you just magically heel for it. The majority of

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 1>information hills, but the scars there's like a cut, like

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:30.720
<v Speaker 1>you get cut, it heals, but you still have the scars.

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 1>It's the same thing. So they know if you have

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a concussion. And I went in, I did the scan

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff and they're like, cool, so did you have you

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>retired from fighting? I'm like, excuse me, Like with your brain,

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:43.800
<v Speaker 1>it's just like it's healing and some of the scars

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 1>are not there that were there before. Like I'm like no, Actually,

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of crazy because about three months ago, I

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 1>got dropped really bad and I had a headache for

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.360
<v Speaker 1>like a week straight. And they're like no, I'm like yes,

0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Like it's not a question, it's not a doubt. Like

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm so I just fought. We scheduled this because I

0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 1>just had a fight, and you have to wait so many,

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 1>like thirty days before you can go and start doing

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:07.839
<v Speaker 1>this testing again. And they're like, oh wait, you did

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 1>say that. They're like it doesn't your scams don't make

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 1>any sense, Like what are you doing. I'm like, the

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>only thing I can say is a clean diet. I

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 1>don't drink anymore in CBD. Right, It's like we might

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>need to add that as some of the research because

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't make sense. Like looking at it, you're like

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 1>back backwards, You're you're faster, you're sharper. Your scams are

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 1>healthier than they were last time.

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Is that the Cleveland brain study. But a lot of

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>the NFL players are amazing. Yeah, OK, that's really fascinating.

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 3>That's good to know.

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 4>Like you said, it needs to be more more research

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 4>on that kind of stuff.

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because that's that's impressive.

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 1>And maybe it's just for me, you know, I don't know.

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Just like I know that like if we wait until

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the body in the brain are fully developed and you

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.960
<v Speaker 1>ingest drugs or alcohol, the likelihood that you get addicted

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 1>goes down, and the likelihood that you use those products

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>also goes down. And then the impact that it has

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.360
<v Speaker 1>on your brain is it's not forming because it's already formed.

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 1>So like your level, it doesn't compromise. Like you have

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 1>a kid that smokes sweet at thirteen and then is

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 1>smoking weed all the time. Their brain is altered because

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:08.839
<v Speaker 1>of that, right, right, like twenty six years old, that's

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 1>your first time trying anything. Your brain isn't really altered.

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:13.799
<v Speaker 1>Still has effects, but not the same, right, So I

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.719
<v Speaker 1>don't know if maybe just because I had never done

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 1>cbdtch HE or anything until I was in my thirties,

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:21.400
<v Speaker 1>if that influenced it, right, and why it had a

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.320
<v Speaker 1>positive effect or other than a negative effect.

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:23.879
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 1>And then again those are other parameters that they'd have

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>to consider when doing that study. Is the age and

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>the development of the brain and how that kind.

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Of right and like you said, your relationship with it.

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you so much for your time today, Liz.

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:38.400
<v Speaker 3>This has been awesome.

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 2>We want to keep your goys long But just one

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>last quite kind of ending on a note of kind

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 2>of moving looking forward. Where do you see kind of veterans'

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 2>access moving forward? Where have you seen where we really

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.200
<v Speaker 2>need to start focusing what can people do to help

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 2>and where can people get more educated? Just any thoughts

0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:57.240
<v Speaker 2>that you have kind of on the next two five years,

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of moving forward then and access to

0:42:58.960 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 2>this type of care.

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think for veterans, like it's officers need to

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>step up to the role more, right, Like most of

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 1>the people I know that are stepping up and they're

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 1>approaching the VA and they're trying to make change. They're

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 1>in former enlisted and it's just one there's there's a

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 1>niche market with with the officers where they have such

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 1>a good community. One they're at the top, right, so

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the top is going to make connections to the other

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>people at the top and be able to speak off

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Like you aren't seeing senators and congressmen. They're former and listed,

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 1>they're former officers, right right. So in that same sense,

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:30.799
<v Speaker 1>if we can get the officers to speak up and

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 1>to make the differences and to approach, whether that's the

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>listed personnel former and listed, the talks home. But it's

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.319
<v Speaker 1>the officers that need to use the connections that they

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 1>have to be able to make the change and to

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:43.359
<v Speaker 1>reach out to their congressmen, their senators, the higher ups

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 1>that they have. They're in charge and leading the way

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 1>to be able to start implementing these new policies and

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:49.320
<v Speaker 1>making new change to help the veteran community.

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Awesome, Yeah, that's amazing.

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, no, And we and we need that. We gotta.

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 4>We got to treat our veterans better, like you said,

0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 4>people that put in willing to do that sacrifice, you

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, Like they deserve the best when

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.799
<v Speaker 4>it comes to treatment and like their mental health and

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.799
<v Speaker 4>all that type of care. So yeah, I love what

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:12.160
<v Speaker 4>you're doing. Appreciate you. Yeah, amazing, You're bad ass. You

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:15.040
<v Speaker 4>know this, you know what I'm saying. So Okay, this

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.359
<v Speaker 4>is the last question I have. If I ever get

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.440
<v Speaker 4>hit in the face, what is the best way to

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 4>deal with it?

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 3>And where do I need to go? Mentally?

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Oof, that's you know, that's where it comes into a

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:27.880
<v Speaker 1>fight or flight response, because.

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking flight. I'm thinking flight. Do I have Do

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:32.959
<v Speaker 3>I have a way out?

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>But that's not the wrong approach, you know. Like even

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.760
<v Speaker 1>even I've been out in town hanging out with the friends,

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.360
<v Speaker 1>a drunk altercation happens and they're like, hey, lizen like,

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not the bouncer, I'm not coming in like the

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:49.440
<v Speaker 1>higher yeahs to be a fight, but I'm like, it doesn't, Like,

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:51.560
<v Speaker 1>why do I want to jump into a fight? There's

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 1>no point in that. I'll be like, hey, calm the friends,

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>let's walk out here, let's get the way for the altercation.

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that that walking away from the situation

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.280
<v Speaker 1>is the wrong I think if you're trying to protect somebody,

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 1>like if somebody attacks your son, yeah, you know, try

0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:07.799
<v Speaker 1>and safely get him out of there if you can

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and run away. But if that's not because you're carrying

0:45:09.560 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a child, like I know my eight year old son,

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 1>he's a lot denser than he looks. He's a scrawny

0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>little kid, and then you pick him up, like, how

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 1>are you seventy pounds? You look like you're like thirty pounds, right,

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 1>So like moving seventy pounds is a lot harder than

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you think it is. So like trying to get them

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:25.319
<v Speaker 1>out there, They're like, you're going to face situations where

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 1>you do have to fight, but I think more often

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:30.759
<v Speaker 1>looking for the safe way to exit that situation. It's

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the best way to go.

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Liz, thank you again. Is there a place that we

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.399
<v Speaker 2>could direct folks at all? Is there any website anything

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:37.879
<v Speaker 2>you want to play?

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:38.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I do need to get a website go, And I've

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 1>been saying that for years. I still end up never

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 1>doing it. From the most part, I'm on millions and

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of a way that people can help give

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 1>back to me. And then the biggest source for social

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:50.760
<v Speaker 1>media is Instagram, Instagram perfect.

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and where can we find you on Instagram? On Instagram?

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 2>I am gorilla girls.

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 3>It's awesome.

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you again. Yeah, Liz is an awesome guys.

0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Check out Liz Carmoush. Go to a girl rilla on

0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Instagram to her and thank you again.

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:10.919
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Thank you appreciate it all right, welcome back, special thanks

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 2>again to Liz Carmouche. Yes, awesome interview. I've always heard

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 2>that Cleveland Brain study. I didn't really know what was

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 2>about it was participating. I thought that was like really fascinating,

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Like she was just talking about.

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 4>If that's not enough to get you on board with

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:35.160
<v Speaker 4>at least the research aspect of it, at least the

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 4>trial and experimental aspect of it, I don't know what

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 4>it is.

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't And Liz is like the most like straight

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 2>level being a marine was like emboldened her by like

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 2>she is, like she was very skeptical of this at first,

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:49.719
<v Speaker 2>and she had a lot of the questions I think

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:51.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people do, like is it addictive? Is

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's gonna make me sleepy? Or is going

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 2>to make me tiree yes, exactly. Those are all valid

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 2>questions that we don't really have like a place to

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>just like discover and like understand and being able to

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:05.880
<v Speaker 2>talk to your doctor about it or something like that.

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.400
<v Speaker 2>And so I think that was really important to show, like,

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, these are skeptics that are coming through that

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the height of their control. This isn't someone that's just

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:14.839
<v Speaker 2>trying to have a good time. They're trying to prove

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 2>themselves better, themselves, continue to do their profession and the

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 2>passions that they love. And I think a lot of

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.359
<v Speaker 2>people can resonate with that. That's I definitely did, And

0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I've talked to my parents about you know, guys, they've

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 2>gotten older, like you know, using CBD, and they've had

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.840
<v Speaker 2>those same questions, and so I'm happy for them to

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 2>be able to listen.

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 4>To this, And like we were saying, is having those conversations,

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 4>is being able to put it in a way where

0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:39.160
<v Speaker 4>they can understand it. And sometimes you need it, You

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:42.360
<v Speaker 4>need to hear somebody else lay it out in a

0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:47.440
<v Speaker 4>way with the credentials to make it valid exactly.

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I really just I thought that was such an important

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 2>conversation to have because it just again it shows not

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:58.399
<v Speaker 2>only the things that were we know about and have

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 2>knowledge and capabilities to explore more on CBD and on

0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 2>HEMP and what works and what's not. And then we

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 2>also at the same time have states trying to claw

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 2>these back. Veterans can't even go to their their VA

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 2>doctor and talk about this a lot. It's just this weird,

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:18.719
<v Speaker 2>like again complicated piecemeal. We're almost living in multiple universes

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:22.839
<v Speaker 2>and worlds like within this like policy and it's just

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 2>again it's a recurring theme Ticklar with cannabis, as like

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:27.279
<v Speaker 2>we live in this kind of gray area of the

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:27.840
<v Speaker 2>world with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it doesn't make sense, And I think that's

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<v Speaker 4>what we're doing a good job of highlight it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if alcohol is not that effective of opioids, if

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<v Speaker 4>you're not looking at that like it's detrimental when you

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<v Speaker 4>have the facts right in front of you, Yeah, then

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<v Speaker 4>what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, something Liz was talking about that really resonated

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<v Speaker 2>was that you know it with the veterans, it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to take the officers, it's going to take those people

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of like move through. And if you have

0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:57.719
<v Speaker 2>veterans in your life and people that are in the military,

0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 2>they're not getting a lot of this information from the

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 2>sources that we may think they would be. So maybe

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 2>you could be that or at least like open up

0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 2>to them and say, like, what's your story, what's going on?

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Because a lot of people are struggling and hurt and

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.399
<v Speaker 2>may not know Avenue's resources or anything else going out there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, talk to the people you have in your family

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<v Speaker 4>and community, share this episode with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And Liz also talked a lot about how whenever she

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<v Speaker 4>would go to the doctor after having surgery or anything,

0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:27.919
<v Speaker 4>they would try to push her to those pain medications,

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<v Speaker 4>the painkillers, and she was adamant about I'm not taking those.

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<v Speaker 4>I do CBD, this is how I recover, and just

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<v Speaker 4>how important it is for the medical community to study

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<v Speaker 4>this or take her seriously. She says she dealt with

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<v Speaker 4>so many doctors that didn't believe that she wasn't taking them,

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<v Speaker 4>and that there's no way she could be here with

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<v Speaker 4>that kind of pain without going to an opioid or

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<v Speaker 4>the traditional go to painkillers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Again, this is not going back to some of

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 2>the roots that we dug in season one. Misinformation about

0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.000
<v Speaker 2>some of the benefits of potentially some of these things are,

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:08.520
<v Speaker 2>how harmful they are or not. A lot of that

0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:13.120
<v Speaker 2>research is driven in the dirt, and then it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>get research at places, and we still need so much

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<v Speaker 2>more research, and like I said, the ignorance of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of what CBD is compared to THC and what

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:24.359
<v Speaker 2>they do and what they don't. It leads to really

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<v Speaker 2>bad policy, and it leads to people filing bills to

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<v Speaker 2>remove the whole thing. And you know, you're like, you're

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:32.879
<v Speaker 2>going to do this to things that don't even make

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:36.880
<v Speaker 2>people high. But again it's the lack of research and

0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 2>education and it's ignorance. And I think that stems in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the medical where they are under a

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<v Speaker 2>guy's and regulations on what they can and cannot say

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<v Speaker 2>about certain things. They can't talk to you about this

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<v Speaker 2>if they if they're not allowed to or that or

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<v Speaker 2>this diet. Not even just with like cannabis, it's with

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:54.320
<v Speaker 2>other things, like there are things that are allowed to

0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:55.920
<v Speaker 2>pbscriber and they're allowed or not because those are on

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:58.800
<v Speaker 2>those regulations. A lot of that comes from the prohibition

0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 2>that we have on cannabis. It is a schedule one drug.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a Schedule one drug, and all the other

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:05.640
<v Speaker 2>ones are prehbaitive. It's MDMA. You know you need all

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:08.839
<v Speaker 2>these special and it really gets into that, and again

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 2>it just makes all this that much more frustrating when

0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:15.879
<v Speaker 2>you hear these stories of people succeeding and others cannot because.

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<v Speaker 4>Of what else right not even given the option right exactly,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's why these stories are important, man, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>get them out there so people do have the language

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<v Speaker 4>and the capacity to talk about it with their love one.

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<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely, thank you, Liz, And again we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>keep rolling for the next episode, episode four. Another amazing

0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:39.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of unique experience and something that's kind of coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>We talk about, you know, being California sober and what

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<v Speaker 2>that means with Marcus King, who is an amazing i'll

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<v Speaker 2>just say, a southern rock musician, just overall amazing. We

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:55.000
<v Speaker 2>got to interview him here in DC, and then I

0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.319
<v Speaker 2>got to go to his concert he was playing that night.

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.400
<v Speaker 2>My wife and I went and saw some of the folks.

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<v Speaker 2>Just an incredible artist, an incredible story and one that

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<v Speaker 2>again I think will resonate with a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>coming from a small town, not a lot of resources

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<v Speaker 2>out there, what does that look like? And again you're

0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:11.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to listen to it to find out. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is when I did solo as well, so you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna learn the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it. I'm looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, awesome, that's the Again, it's special.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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