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Speaker 2: Lava for Good and Stand Together Music present The War

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Speaker 2: on Drugs Podcast Season two. This season, we're diving deeper

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Speaker 2: into the real stories behind the War on Drugs, it's impact,

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Speaker 2: it's failures, and the people offering a better path forward.

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Speaker 2: Today on the show, Bellator Women's MMA flyweight World Champion

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Speaker 2: Once a Marine, always a Marine, and medicinal CBD education

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Speaker 2: and Access advocate Liz car Moosh. All Right, welcome to

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Speaker 2: another episode of season two of The War on Drugs.

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Speaker 3: Podcast US in two. Yes, this is the season where

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Speaker 2: Man a lot more pr just not just you, me and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in Nashville for this interview. Liz carmuche Yes,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely mm A fighter, definitely a pain specialist.

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Speaker 4: my pain is joints and self inflicted. I slept wrong.

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Speaker 4: Hey that me and Greg, our guests and sponsors may

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Speaker 4: Got it all right, We're back right now. We got

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Speaker 1: I'm like cool, I'm like, it's not for me. And

434
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,480
Speaker 1: I joined the Marine Corps and it's not an option, right, Yeah,

435
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,240
Speaker 1: And so the only thing I knew about CBD was

436
00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,600
Speaker 1: THC base. I'm like, yeah, guys, I can't I fight

437
00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,920
Speaker 1: for a living and I don't want to be high,

438
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,800
Speaker 1: Like it's just not of interest to me. I'm good.

439
00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,119
Speaker 1: And one of the guys I worked with, he was

440
00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,320
Speaker 1: a veteran and he had a big connection with CBD.

441
00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,200
Speaker 1: He's liken't check out this company. It doesn't have You're

442
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,679
Speaker 1: not going to get high by using CBD. And he's like,

443
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,960
Speaker 1: I was medically discharged from the Air Force. I experienced pain,

444
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,439
Speaker 1: and this is what I do to help me sleep,

445
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,920
Speaker 1: to help me go through anxiety, and to help me

446
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,160
Speaker 1: reduce the pain. He's like going to help so much.

447
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,560
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't want to take pain meds and

448
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,280
Speaker 1: he's like, my body is so messed up for me

449
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,440
Speaker 1: medically discharge. I needed something. And he was a respectable

450
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,920
Speaker 1: person who's like leading this group that was helping veterans,

451
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: really professionally human being and a guy I really trusted

452
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,160
Speaker 1: and liked. So I'm like, Okay, he's not a pothead,

453
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 1: so you know, like I'm gonna trust him what he

454
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 1: has to say about CBD. I started looking it up.

455
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, maybe you can do CBD without getting

456
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,720
Speaker 1: high and I don't have to worry about stuff. And

457
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 1: I talked to the company and I was like, Wow,

458
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: these people nobody's they're not all potheads here and they're

459
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 1: showing me around their business and showing me everything, and

460
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 1: everybody is really functioning. I'm like, I think I've really

461
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,159
Speaker 1: misunderstood one what a pothead was, and then two like

462
00:19:50,720 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 1: CBD and THHC aren't the same thing. So they gave

463
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 1: me some product to try, Like I don't know. I'm like, okay,

464
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 1: but like I'm having trouble sleeping. Pain's really bad. I

465
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 1: tried it out and I didn't expect it. Like I

466
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 1: took the dose that they recommended. I'd laid on the

467
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 1: couch and woke up and I'd been in the same

468
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 1: position because I passed off so hard for the first

469
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,919
Speaker 1: time in like a month, and like my back was

470
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 1: hurting because I was like sleeping in a weird position

471
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I slept on the couch like I

472
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 1: don't sleep on the couch, and I'm like that was

473
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 1: like eight hours ago, Like holy crap, and I'm not

474
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 1: in pain other than I slept in a funky position,

475
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 1: like I'm not in pain. Stuff. I'm like okay, And

476
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: I tried it again the next day. I'm like, Wow,

477
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 1: this stuff actually really works, and yeah, I'm not high.

478
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 1: There's nothing else coming negative about it. I feel really good.

479
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm managing mental health a lot better. Physically,

480
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 1: I feel better, and because I'm not in pain, I'm

481
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 1: sleeping through the night. All right, Maybe there was some

482
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: more truth thiss. So I did even more research to

483
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 1: try and understand the different types of CBD and all

484
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: the benefits of it, and the difference between THHC and CBD.

485
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is actually really beneficial. Why

486
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: wasn't I doing this before? Like I would have never

487
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: I would have really fought with my surgeon about not

488
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: using products like that with opiates and just on this instead.

489
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 1: Like if I had known, I'm like, man, I definitely

490
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: had a really a misunderstanding.

491
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: And you're someone in training nutrition, going out of doctors

492
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: constantly being not one person like let alone someone that's

493
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 2: just an insurance agent, you know kind of then except

494
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 2: hurt their knee, like they're just going in call today

495
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 2: they have no ID. Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy.

496
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 2: You weren't made aware of you.

497
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 4: Ever hied tolerance or a threshold probably for pain. So

498
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 4: just imagine other people like the CBD. How much I

499
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 4: guess maybe give us like a scale of how much

500
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 4: it decreased your pain or what could people look too

501
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 4: like equivalent.

502
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: You know, I mean substantially without all the like when

503
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: I compared to an opiate, Like when I took opiates,

504
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 1: I still felt the pain. It was just a different

505
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: sensation of people, right right, and then it was just like.

506
00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 4: It feels like you don't care then yeah yeah.

507
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: But then also I felt nauseous, I felt groggy, and

508
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: then I felt bloated, and you know all these other

509
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: like my sleep was weird and it wasn't good. On CBD,

510
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: I was clear headed, you know. Inflammation was reduced significantly,

511
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: and that was like a big thing too. Is when

512
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: you train as much as I do, you have information

513
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: all over your body and again and again, like I

514
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: do blood work, My blood work markers will show inflammation

515
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: levels and it shows a significant production. I'm talking fifty

516
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: percent in inflammation workers compared to what it had been. Right,

517
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: So like, okay, well that I can clearly see is helping.

518
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: I can see in a joint like if my elbow

519
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: got smashed in and it's swollen, it reduced down. And

520
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 1: so if I can visibly see no right inflammation, it's

521
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: not swollen, it has gone down pain wise, I'm not

522
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: focusing on the pain. There's still a little bit of

523
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: pain there, but I'm aware of it. It's not distracting

524
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: me from it, and it still isn't hurting. I can

525
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 1: go drive and I'm not impaired and go through So

526
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: to me, just all around much better option than using

527
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: other things that they give you.

528
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Me, I feel like you're an expert on it.

529
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 4: You've done You've done two of probably the toughest jobs,

530
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, for the marine and then

531
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 4: to actually fight in a combat sport.

532
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if people are listening to her and they're like,

533
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: all right, this is Liz Carmon, she's a marine, she's

534
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: a MMA fighter, Okay, that's her. What about what about

535
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: just like the typical person, you know, they're going to

536
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: the gym a few times a week, they're getting information.

537
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: This is not gonna work. I need more. I'm gonna

538
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: need something else. Like she can tolerate page, she can

539
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: handle it. Like what would you say to them.

540
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say my mom is a prime example. It's like, yeah,

541
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: she used cannabis and she was is okay for like

542
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: smoking weed, but CBD wasn't something she was familiar with,

543
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: like the polar opposite. I didn't know anything about CBD,

544
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: And again she was asking me, She's like, hey, I

545
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: remember when you had surgery and you weren't taking on

546
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: the obvious, but you got through it. Like what exactly

547
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: were you doing to help that? And she ended up

548
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: having surgeries too, like she had to have knee replacement

549
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: surgery and it didn't work, and so she definitely want

550
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: something different because she's home alone really easy to just

551
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: like be so focused on the pain and you get

552
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: through it. And she tried CBD and she's like, this

553
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: actually works really well, Like immediately I noticed information goes

554
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: down immediately pain wise, it's almost like fifteen twenty minutes

555
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: where I notice a change in it. And she's so

556
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: like hyper aware of her pain and in such a

557
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: pain state that I mean, it's my mom's seventy two now,

558
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: she's just turned seventy three. So like when you know,

559
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: if you're like six year old mom and she's saying like, oh,

560
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm in pain, like she's not gonna get rid of pain.

561
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: That's not somebody you definitely want to reduce it. So

562
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: when she says there's a difference to me, that's a

563
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: big difference. Yeah, yeah, right, And so that's who I

564
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: noticed more because, like you said, yeah, I could. I've

565
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: gone through a lot of pain and learned how to,

566
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: like to some level, turn that switch off and ignore

567
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: it to some degree you have to. And she's somebody

568
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: who like doesn't turn that switched off and definitely doesn't

569
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 1: ignore it and notices it. And CBD changed that for

570
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: her and she could notice a difference, and that's me

571
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: speaks to it.

572
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: No, that's that's awesome. And I think obviously there's there's ignorance,

573
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: and there's you know, an education on this and that

574
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: the high you know that people just have that. And

575
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: then I think a lot of that is because of

576
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: our culture and our stigma behind CAMPA that MCBD, that

577
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: it's still illegal in a lot of places. There's people

578
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: in prison right now, you know, for doing things that

579
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: people are making you know, millions for and things like that,

580
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: and so there is this stigma. And then also what

581
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: happens when you have states that are legal or some

582
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: are decriminalized, you get a lot of let's just call

583
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: it bullshit on the market. And so a lot of

584
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: people's first experience with cannabis is something where they thought

585
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: it was this but then there's all this other stuff

586
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: in it, or they thought they were going to take

587
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: CBD and they got it like their you know, grocery

588
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: store down the road. It's like some five dollars tub

589
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: And then you're like, Okay, why do you think this

590
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: is gonna like it's getting like a five dollars lobster?

591
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: Like you think it's gonna be a good lobster? Like,

592
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: probably not? And so did you experience that? Have you

593
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: seen people like I just know that there's a lot

594
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: of there's a lot of crap out there, and a

595
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: lot of that is because you know, there's this stigma

596
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 2: around it. Yeah, So I'm curious like did you have

597
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: to sort through things that worked for you particularly or

598
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: did you kind of have things come around?

599
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 3: Yeah?

600
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: No, No, I definitely had to. Thankfully, like I said,

601
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: with my friend, he helped kind of direct it because

602
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: he knew the company's producing it, right, So that made

603
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: it definitely a lot easier when you get to go

604
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: to it and you get to see firsthand what they're

605
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: producing and the whole process and what they have. But

606
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: then yeah, then once federally everything changed. What was before

607
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: you had to go out of your way and they

608
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: only had like good quality stuff out there and it

609
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: wasn't as popular to then it being oversaturated in the

610
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: market where you're like, hey, it's twenty five cents for

611
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: the CBD. I'm like, yeah, that's that's probably not it right, right,

612
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: But again, having to do research and really see stuff

613
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: and try things out, I definitely have done things where

614
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I ran out of my CBD and

615
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: I made a huge mistake in practice and I got

616
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 1: dropped and because I got my legs kicked out from

617
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: under me and twisting my ankle and now my ankle's

618
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: sooling this big and I and I have I'm not

619
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: going to go do anti inflammatory medication, Like I'm just

620
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: not that person. I'm not going to take it anymore.

621
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm not putting my liver through that. And I don't

622
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: have CBD, so I need something. I'm like, cool, just

623
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: went to the store, Like how convenience at the grocery shore.

624
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, yeah, you know. Now look at it,

625
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is that twenty five milligrams or sugar

626
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: in it?

627
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 3: Right?

628
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: Inflammatory marker and increases inflammation, Like that's not going to

629
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: help me, so like, okay, not that, and then it's like, wow,

630
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm having to weed through to see all the junk

631
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: that's here, canola oil and CBD. Yeah right right, So

632
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: it's really it does become very difficult, and most people

633
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: aren't looking ingredients in their food, let alone their medication

634
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: to really discern what's the good what's the bad.

635
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

636
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: Right, And then most people too, they're like, hey, I

637
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: can get my medication for twelve dollars for one hundred pills,

638
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: and it cost me one hundred and twenty dollars to

639
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: get good CBD. So very quickly people are being like, well,

640
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: I'd rather go cheaper. I'm like, yeah, but cheaper's going

641
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: to mess up your body. There's a reason for it.

642
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: Have you seen people that you're like, man, I wish

643
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: i'd talked to them earlier, or kind of like changeovers

644
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: where you're like they were doing X and now they're

645
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: doing Y. Any other examples like that within your career, yeah, fighting, Yeah.

646
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, talking to because I had been in California

647
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: for a long time being on a fighting team and

648
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: getting to have a lot of military personnel that you

649
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: worked with, interact with that you knew they're like, hey,

650
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: we see you. We know you're not the type of

651
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: person that's going out getting high every day, So what

652
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: are you doing because my body's messed up for the

653
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: military and I'm about to get out. Getting to talk

654
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: to different rains and just seeing for them, they're like okay, difference,

655
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: Like thank you so much, Like that that was huge,

656
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: And then seeing other people too, where like you said, yeah,

657
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: like what if those training partners that they discovered for

658
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: trying to conflict with pain when they go to a

659
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: doctor and doctors like, here, just take this. This is

660
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: going to help you. That if we had all discovered

661
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: CBD earlier in life, if they'd still be around now

662
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't be drug addicts, the wouldn't have lost

663
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: all their jobs, they wouldn't be in a mental health

664
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: care facility because they lost it, you know. And it's like, yeah,

665
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: I wish that we had all known better then and

666
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: there had been this research and been more information out there,

667
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: because maybe not, but I certainly hope that that would

668
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: have made a difference had they had that option.

669
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, very at least being exposed to it. For every person,

670
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: there's going to be a different path and that can

671
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: be the right path for people. But the fact that

672
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: you don't even gain the information, like I know, for

673
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: like veterans' affairs, you can't even go to them. They

674
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: can't talk to you about cannabis. They can't even write

675
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: you a recommendation saying that you have PTSD if the

676
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: purpose is to give it to like a state physician,

677
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: which is you tell people that it's absolutely freaking crazy,

678
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: but you don't even get the option to hear that.

679
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: And then so where are you gonna go? You're gonna

680
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: go to other sources of information. And obviously you have

681
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: a good head on your shoulder and you're looking at

682
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: things and you have a team around you, but you're

683
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: just sitting on the couch at home trying to figure

684
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: it out, scrolling through and read you know, all this stuff.

685
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: It's confusing and scaring. You're probably going to get something

686
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: that's not greater poor information.

687
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, And like I said, when

688
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: it comes to you have the option of having a

689
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: product that's super cheap, right, Like you can get opiates

690
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: and it's two dollars and you get twenty five pills

691
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: that they prescribe you. But you can't be prescribed CBD,

692
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: and you can't you want to have to spend one

693
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty dollars and you're doing the math like,

694
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: well this is easier. Want to just do this instead

695
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: and then don't have to research and look things up

696
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: and have to It shouldn't be that way. It it's

697
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: so much cheaper to get these things that you know

698
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: are hurting you rather than something that's helping them.

699
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: As far as with the veterans, have you seen like

700
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 4: movement from like the top.

701
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: I see with the VA that they still fall under

702
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: the conflict of federal enforcement. Right, So because federally we

703
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: still learn this great of what THC, CBD and everything

704
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: else can be used, they're not vocalizing any of that,

705
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: and so unfortunately it's still pushed that the main source

706
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: of what they're offering the military and veterans is still opiate's.

707
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: It's still motor and it's still flex role for a muscle. Right.

708
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: And then I do see that there are certain people

709
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: that really is just based on states to state. We're

710
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: still in that conflict where I've heard some people where

711
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you use CBD, and there's kind of

712
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 1: like they can't say anything. These give you the thumbs up,

713
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: and then you can be in a different state where like, no,

714
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: you can't use that, those are drugs, and I'm like, whoa,

715
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: what are we just like going from California to Tennessee

716
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: and the hearing, I'm like, I didn't think that we

717
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: went back in time and it was just such a

718
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: different scene. And the issue always run into is like

719
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: whoever's in charge is on a rotation two to four years,

720
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: whatever their term is. You could have somebody who at

721
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: the end of the term is starting to see differences

722
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: right and evolve with their policies and try and enforce

723
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: new things and change things. But then the moment they

724
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: start to make change, they're two to four years is up,

725
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: somebody else comes in with the whole different agenda. They're

726
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: completely ahead of everything and they're like I see these

727
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: involvements in these changes happening, or they're completely against it.

728
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: And that's always the difficulties when with the military, Like

729
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: even I can remember being in the Marine Corps and

730
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: you have we have somebody who's in charge, right, they're

731
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: in charge of all the Marine Corps. They come in

732
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: they're like, our policy is a marines are allowed to

733
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: have tattoos, but only like a three court sleeve. Next

734
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: person comes in, they go absolutely no tattoos whatsoever, and

735
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: everybody that gets tattoos gets kicked out. Okay, so two

736
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: weeks ago before you changed, we were just everybody went

737
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: out and got three court sleeves like yeah, sorry, you're

738
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: out now, and something like that. That really shouldn't have

739
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: I understand, but shouldn't really have a plan in things.

740
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: They're inappropriate tattoos, which has always been the thing. But

741
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: and that policy just tattoos is everything from medical like

742
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: CBD being allowed, and then the next person comes in

743
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: they go absolutely no CBD. You've got to you got it,

744
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous. And so whereas one person making changes and

745
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: making headwig in a positive way, somebody else slides in

746
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: as a whole different thought process. And so it's really

747
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: hard to keep up with it because the VA operates

748
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: for the military, so in that same sense, they're evolving

749
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: and rotating the same way that the military does. So

750
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: it's really hard. And I see a lot of other people,

751
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: like veterans like myself that have gotten out and they're

752
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: trying to go to the VA and say like, hey,

753
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: this needs to change, like these are the benefits that

754
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: we're having. And they're trying to talk to people, but again,

755
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, like they're making headway. They're going working the

756
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: way up the structure to talk to more people, talking

757
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: to the next head above them and above that. But

758
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: then everybody changes and pre people are talking before they're

759
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: like yeah, absolutely, we hear what you're saying. You want

760
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: to make changes, all those people are gone, right, And

761
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: so it's really hard to make those movements, and to

762
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: make those adjustments, it's got to start from much higher

763
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: than that to be able to really have an effect.

764
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: Who's the man?

765
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, in this situation, I think you know, we're gonna

766
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: have to go to like higher government. We're talking like presidency.

767
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: We're talking people within Congress, within the Senate. Those are

768
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: the people that need to make those bigger changes because

769
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: they're ultimately it's Congress and the Senate that has overseeing

770
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: over them to make those changes. Right, So somebody changes

771
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: there and it trinkles down everybody's changes. So I think

772
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: if we can at the beginning of somebody's term, get

773
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: to them and be able to say like, hey, these

774
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: are the positive effects that we think we could help

775
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: introduce into the va that's when it starts to happen,

776
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: because that's when policies change. And unfortunately, what I see

777
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: with the va IS is after so many losses like

778
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: suicide within the veteran community and raising awareness on that,

779
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, like you lose a few veterans of suicide,

780
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: that should be enough.

781
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: We should be like, hey, we should do something's going

782
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: on here, not like hey.

783
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: Years of losing people to realize that what we're doing

784
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: now isn't working and we need to change things.

785
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: And you were talking about some of the advocacy that's

786
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: coming from the military community now. And I worked a

787
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: little bit in Kentucky where Dakota Meyer was with someone

788
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 2: who worked with a Republican governor to talk about, you know,

789
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: bringing plant based medicines there to fight mental health and

790
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: opioid addition. Because he said, you know, I'm a Medal

791
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: of Honor, you know, recipient. I did multiple tours here.

792
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: I've lost so many more people back home to suicide

793
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: than I ever did on any of my tours over

794
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: I rack of Agans. So when you hear that, you

795
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: can't just say oh, okay, moving on like that means something.

796
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: I think it's simply looking at the numbers, like if

797
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: we look at how many deuis happen because of people

798
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: being under the influence fights, just altercations that happen, violence

799
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: that happens. Let's look at those numbers that are involved

800
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: with alcohol and then look at all the numbers of

801
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: these altercations that happen under the influence of THHC. I

802
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: bet it's a lot most Like we said, most people,

803
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: if they smoke weed, they haven't edible.

804
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: What do they want to do?

805
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: They want to veg out and they want to chill.

806
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: They're not looking to go to a fight, whereas people

807
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: ge get drunk. I know that I did too when

808
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: I was in the Marine Corps. I got drunk like yeah,

809
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 1: fighting socks fighting, so yeah, absolutely, you want to punch

810
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: me like cool for no reason. Next day be like

811
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: why did I do that? Like you're not hearing the

812
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: people say the same thing, like why do oh I

813
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: ate too much food? Like if nothing else alone, let's

814
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: just look at that find you. I understand. You want

815
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: to restrict it. You want to make taxes, you want

816
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: to make money. Let's just look at those numbers. Loan

817
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: about live's loss altercations, money lost for having to give

818
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: these people tickets, having to just everything there for violent

819
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: acts destruction that's done the businesses because somebody was drunk

820
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: and under the influence as opposed to people under the

821
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: influencyc just compare those two numbers, and why why would

822
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: we not say yes to one ding advice the other? Like,

823
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm ingesting unnecessary calories. I don't feel good after doing this,

824
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: whether there's decisions I made under the influence or the

825
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: next day, I don't feel good. So I finally came

826
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: to a point where I'm like and then doing more

827
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: recent I'm like, wow, I was really really bad for you,

828
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: but it's so socially acceptable, And I'm like, man, since

829
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: I stopped and I don't even know when that was,

830
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: but since I stopped drinking, I've never had to like

831
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: argue with people so much about why I don't want

832
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: to drink. Where I go to any public event and

833
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, I'm like, oh, no, thank you, on

834
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: to drinking.

835
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: Why not?

836
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? I'm like, I don't want to

837
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: drink and like, just have one. I'm like, I don't

838
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: want to have one. It's just one, You'll be fine.

839
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. I'm like, okay, but I've never

840
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: like I've had somebody offer me wee. I'm like, no,

841
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm good, like all right, cool, no worries. Yeah, Like

842
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: I never have to argue about that, but I have

843
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: to argue my points to say, no, I don't want

844
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: to drink and you are.

845
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: I'm not going to push it.

846
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want to hear this? No, that's a

847
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 4: thank you that means this word for me.

848
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: But like, and being in events where people are like,

849
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: I can't trust somebody that doesn't drink, like really because

850
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 1: I almost can't trust somebody that can drink, right, because

851
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: how often the next day you're talking to something, they're like, yeah,

852
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember saying or doing that, right man, that

853
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: that's not trustworthy, and it's it sucks. I'm like, hey,

854
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: somebody wants to drink, that's your choice. If I don't

855
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: want to drink, that should be okay too. I'm not

856
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: judging you one way or the other. Yeah, And it's not.

857
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: It's so culturally, it's such a part of our culture

858
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: now that you're wrong if you don't drink.

859
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious with sports leagues have always they've been

860
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: very similar kind of the van and on the other

861
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: side of the private sector area you have sees as archaic.

862
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: I think people see it. They always are on the

863
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: forefront of a lot of things on how to make

864
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: things work. Like you look during COVID, they were the

865
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: first people to try to figure out how to open

866
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: back up, and they were very you know, much more

867
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: I think socially driven in a lot of ways on

868
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: social rights and drug policy and things like that. Accepting

869
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: being open to that. Can you talk about a little

870
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: bit your experience, like dealing with mixed martial arts and

871
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: how you've seen that and maybe maybe seening parallels to

872
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: other athletes that you see in other leagues where they're

873
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: much more restrictive on these types of thing are not

874
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: as supportive. I'd be really curious about that.

875
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Definitely in the early days, like Andrew asadav when

876
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: you got drug tested, was no THC. There's no drugs

877
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: of any sort, even if you're prescribed to medication, Like

878
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: even if you had surgery, you still have to submit

879
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: paperwork and doctors notices to say that you're approved to

880
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: do that, right, and most of the time you're not

881
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: thinking like you just came on doctor's office round, like yeah,

882
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to sbmit all this paperwork to Soden to

883
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: get approval to say like hey, I'm supposed to take

884
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: this right. And then that changed to where the only

885
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: rule was you couldn't have teasing your system ten hours

886
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: before you fight and leading up to it, so it's

887
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: within a certain window. And then talking to another friend

888
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: that's a professional NBA player, they're like, yeah, no TFC

889
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: at all. Ever doesn't matter the time. It does not

890
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: ten hours before I have a competition. It's not twenty four,

891
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: there's no ever. And like CBD and now you're seeing

892
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: like you said, you can see it as being one

893
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: of the major parts within the cage where it's on

894
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: the pad and it's a CBD company and like you

895
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: show up to your fight and in your goodie bag

896
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: where you have like their customary T shirt and also

897
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: there's also CVD. Like a huge difference between like we're

898
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna test you, don't you dare have CBD in your body,

899
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: to hey, we're gonna give you this c like wait,

900
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: wait is this fawn that ten hour window? Like I'm

901
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: I actually allowed to do this, So a huge huge

902
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: change and again not necessarily them advocating for induction how

903
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: it helps you. It's not educating you on how it

904
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: helps you. But going from its band you're not allowed

905
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: to have it at all to now it's a part

906
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: of your your gimme bag, right, you can have it.

907
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: It's a huge difference. And that's still not in public sports, right,

908
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: You're still not seeing it in the major leagues where

909
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: they're allowed to have these things and they have those

910
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: same level of a lack of restriction. It's still very

911
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: much a no go and they're not allowed to do it.

912
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: And still in the military too.

913
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, you would want something that kind of helps out

914
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: or prolongs the ability of whatever sport or whatever player

915
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 4: it is. Like you know, like Okay, if this dude

916
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 4: recovers better with CBD then getting on these opioids, drinking,

917
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 4: doing something dumb, you know, like how much of that

918
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: is a factor? How much like with anything where you

919
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 4: might get a concussion, Like, is there any research on that?

920
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's not research on it. Because I was

921
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: curious about that too, just to see because if it's

922
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: reducing inflammation, then theory some of the damage is done

923
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: from brain damage, is inflammation within the brain right now, right,

924
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: and I know that I'd gotten dropped really bad in practice,

925
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: like it got a really bad concussion, and try to

926
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: do everything from omega acids and trying to make sure

927
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: that I have my omega threes, doing everything from healthy

928
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: fats to fish oils to all the like allions made

929
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: mushrooms and things like that. So trying to ingest as

930
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: much as that doing pressure treatment where they push in

931
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: the chamber right. And then the other thing I did

932
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I upped my CBD because I kind

933
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: of fallen off. I was like, oh, no, no big deal.

934
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, oh, I made sure. And I'm a

935
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: part of a study that does brain scans and if

936
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: you get a concussion, if there are markers in your brain,

937
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: they're not getting it's in your blood and because you

938
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: have increased information in your blood and they can see

939
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: like essentially scars issue in your brain is permanent. It

940
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: doesn't go away you get a concussion. It's not like,

941
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: oh you just magically heel for it. The majority of

942
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: information hills, but the scars there's like a cut, like

943
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: you get cut, it heals, but you still have the scars.

944
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. So they know if you have

945
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: a concussion. And I went in, I did the scan

946
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: stuff and they're like, cool, so did you have you

947
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: retired from fighting? I'm like, excuse me, Like with your brain,

948
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: it's just like it's healing and some of the scars

949
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: are not there that were there before. Like I'm like no, Actually,

950
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy because about three months ago, I

951
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: got dropped really bad and I had a headache for

952
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: like a week straight. And they're like no, I'm like yes,

953
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: Like it's not a question, it's not a doubt. Like

954
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm so I just fought. We scheduled this because I

955
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: just had a fight, and you have to wait so many,

956
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: like thirty days before you can go and start doing

957
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: this testing again. And they're like, oh wait, you did

958
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: say that. They're like it doesn't your scams don't make

959
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: any sense, Like what are you doing. I'm like, the

960
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: only thing I can say is a clean diet. I

961
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: don't drink anymore in CBD. Right, It's like we might

962
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: need to add that as some of the research because

963
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense. Like looking at it, you're like

964
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: back backwards, You're you're faster, you're sharper. Your scams are

965
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: healthier than they were last time.

966
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: Is that the Cleveland brain study. But a lot of

967
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: the NFL players are amazing. Yeah, OK, that's really fascinating.

968
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: That's good to know.

969
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: Like you said, it needs to be more more research

970
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 4: on that kind of stuff.

971
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's that's impressive.

972
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: And maybe it's just for me, you know, I don't know.

973
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: Just like I know that like if we wait until

974
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: the body in the brain are fully developed and you

975
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: ingest drugs or alcohol, the likelihood that you get addicted

976
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: goes down, and the likelihood that you use those products

977
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: also goes down. And then the impact that it has

978
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: on your brain is it's not forming because it's already formed.

979
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: So like your level, it doesn't compromise. Like you have

980
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: a kid that smokes sweet at thirteen and then is

981
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: smoking weed all the time. Their brain is altered because

982
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: of that, right, right, like twenty six years old, that's

983
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: your first time trying anything. Your brain isn't really altered.

984
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: Still has effects, but not the same, right, So I

985
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: don't know if maybe just because I had never done

986
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: cbdtch HE or anything until I was in my thirties,

987
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: if that influenced it, right, and why it had a

988
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: positive effect or other than a negative effect.

989
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: I don't know.

990
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: And then again those are other parameters that they'd have

991
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: to consider when doing that study. Is the age and

992
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: the development of the brain and how that kind.

993
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: Of right and like you said, your relationship with it.

994
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your time today, Liz.

995
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: This has been awesome.

996
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: We want to keep your goys long But just one

997
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: last quite kind of ending on a note of kind

998
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: of moving looking forward. Where do you see kind of veterans'

999
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: access moving forward? Where have you seen where we really

1000
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: need to start focusing what can people do to help

1001
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: and where can people get more educated? Just any thoughts

1002
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: that you have kind of on the next two five years,

1003
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: you know, kind of moving forward then and access to

1004
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: this type of care.

1005
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for veterans, like it's officers need to

1006
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: step up to the role more, right, Like most of

1007
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: the people I know that are stepping up and they're

1008
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: approaching the VA and they're trying to make change. They're

1009
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: in former enlisted and it's just one there's there's a

1010
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: niche market with with the officers where they have such

1011
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: a good community. One they're at the top, right, so

1012
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: the top is going to make connections to the other

1013
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: people at the top and be able to speak off

1014
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: Like you aren't seeing senators and congressmen. They're former and listed,

1015
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: they're former officers, right right. So in that same sense,

1016
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: if we can get the officers to speak up and

1017
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: to make the differences and to approach, whether that's the

1018
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: listed personnel former and listed, the talks home. But it's

1019
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: the officers that need to use the connections that they

1020
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: have to be able to make the change and to

1021
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: reach out to their congressmen, their senators, the higher ups

1022
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: that they have. They're in charge and leading the way

1023
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: to be able to start implementing these new policies and

1024
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: making new change to help the veteran community.

1025
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: Awesome, Yeah, that's amazing.

1026
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, And we and we need that. We gotta.

1027
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 4: We got to treat our veterans better, like you said,

1028
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 4: people that put in willing to do that sacrifice, you

1029
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like they deserve the best when

1030
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 4: it comes to treatment and like their mental health and

1031
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 4: all that type of care. So yeah, I love what

1032
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: you're doing. Appreciate you. Yeah, amazing, You're bad ass. You

1033
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: know this, you know what I'm saying. So Okay, this

1034
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 4: is the last question I have. If I ever get

1035
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 4: hit in the face, what is the best way to

1036
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 4: deal with it?

1037
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: And where do I need to go? Mentally?

1038
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: Oof, that's you know, that's where it comes into a

1039
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: fight or flight response, because.

1040
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: I'm thinking flight. I'm thinking flight. Do I have Do

1041
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 3: I have a way out?

1042
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: But that's not the wrong approach, you know. Like even

1043
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: even I've been out in town hanging out with the friends,

1044
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: a drunk altercation happens and they're like, hey, lizen like,

1045
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm not the bouncer, I'm not coming in like the

1046
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: higher yeahs to be a fight, but I'm like, it doesn't, Like,

1047
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: why do I want to jump into a fight? There's

1048
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: no point in that. I'll be like, hey, calm the friends,

1049
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: let's walk out here, let's get the way for the altercation.

1050
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that that walking away from the situation

1051
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: is the wrong I think if you're trying to protect somebody,

1052
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: like if somebody attacks your son, yeah, you know, try

1053
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: and safely get him out of there if you can

1054
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: and run away. But if that's not because you're carrying

1055
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: a child, like I know my eight year old son,

1056
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: he's a lot denser than he looks. He's a scrawny

1057
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: little kid, and then you pick him up, like, how

1058
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: are you seventy pounds? You look like you're like thirty pounds, right,

1059
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: So like moving seventy pounds is a lot harder than

1060
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: you think it is. So like trying to get them

1061
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: out there, They're like, you're going to face situations where

1062
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: you do have to fight, but I think more often

1063
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: looking for the safe way to exit that situation. It's

1064
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: the best way to go.

1065
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: Liz, thank you again. Is there a place that we

1066
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: could direct folks at all? Is there any website anything

1067
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 2: you want to play?

1068
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1069
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: I do need to get a website go, And I've

1070
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: been saying that for years. I still end up never

1071
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Speaker 1: doing it. From the most part, I'm on millions and

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Speaker 1: that's kind of a way that people can help give

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Speaker 1: back to me. And then the biggest source for social

1074
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: media is Instagram, Instagram perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and where can we find you on Instagram? On Instagram?

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Speaker 2: I am gorilla girls.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome.

1078
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you again. Yeah, Liz is an awesome guys.

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Speaker 2: Check out Liz Carmoush. Go to a girl rilla on

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Speaker 2: Instagram to her and thank you again.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it all right, welcome back, special thanks

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00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: again to Liz Carmouche. Yes, awesome interview. I've always heard

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Speaker 2: that Cleveland Brain study. I didn't really know what was

1085
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: about it was participating. I thought that was like really fascinating,

1086
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: Like she was just talking about.

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Speaker 4: If that's not enough to get you on board with

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00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: at least the research aspect of it, at least the

1089
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 4: trial and experimental aspect of it, I don't know what

1090
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 4: it is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: I don't And Liz is like the most like straight

1093
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: level being a marine was like emboldened her by like

1094
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: she is, like she was very skeptical of this at first,

1095
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: and she had a lot of the questions I think

1096
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: a lot of people do, like is it addictive? Is

1097
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: it's like it's gonna make me sleepy? Or is going

1098
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: to make me tiree yes, exactly. Those are all valid

1099
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: questions that we don't really have like a place to

1100
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: just like discover and like understand and being able to

1101
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: talk to your doctor about it or something like that.

1102
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: And so I think that was really important to show, like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are skeptics that are coming through that

1104
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: the height of their control. This isn't someone that's just

1105
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 2: trying to have a good time. They're trying to prove

1106
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: themselves better, themselves, continue to do their profession and the

1107
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: passions that they love. And I think a lot of

1108
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: people can resonate with that. That's I definitely did, And

1109
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: I've talked to my parents about you know, guys, they've

1110
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: gotten older, like you know, using CBD, and they've had

1111
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: those same questions, and so I'm happy for them to

1112
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: be able to listen.

1113
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 4: To this, And like we were saying, is having those conversations,

1114
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 4: is being able to put it in a way where

1115
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 4: they can understand it. And sometimes you need it, You

1116
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 4: need to hear somebody else lay it out in a

1117
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 4: way with the credentials to make it valid exactly.

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Speaker 2: I really just I thought that was such an important

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00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: conversation to have because it just again it shows not

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00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: only the things that were we know about and have

1121
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: knowledge and capabilities to explore more on CBD and on

1122
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: HEMP and what works and what's not. And then we

1123
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: also at the same time have states trying to claw

1124
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: these back. Veterans can't even go to their their VA

1125
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: doctor and talk about this a lot. It's just this weird,

1126
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: like again complicated piecemeal. We're almost living in multiple universes

1127
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: and worlds like within this like policy and it's just

1128
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: again it's a recurring theme Ticklar with cannabis, as like

1129
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: we live in this kind of gray area of the

1130
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: world with it.

1131
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it doesn't make sense, And I think that's

1132
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: what we're doing a good job of highlight it doesn't.

1133
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense.

1134
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, if alcohol is not that effective of opioids, if

1135
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 4: you're not looking at that like it's detrimental when you

1136
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: have the facts right in front of you, Yeah, then

1137
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 4: what are you doing?

1138
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1139
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: You know, something Liz was talking about that really resonated

1140
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: was that you know it with the veterans, it's going

1141
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 2: to take the officers, it's going to take those people

1142
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: to kind of like move through. And if you have

1143
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: veterans in your life and people that are in the military,

1144
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: they're not getting a lot of this information from the

1145
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: sources that we may think they would be. So maybe

1146
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: you could be that or at least like open up

1147
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: to them and say, like, what's your story, what's going on?

1148
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: Because a lot of people are struggling and hurt and

1149
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 2: may not know Avenue's resources or anything else going out there.

1150
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk to the people you have in your family

1151
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: and community, share this episode with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1152
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 4: And Liz also talked a lot about how whenever she

1153
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 4: would go to the doctor after having surgery or anything,

1154
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 4: they would try to push her to those pain medications,

1155
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 4: the painkillers, and she was adamant about I'm not taking those.

1156
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 4: I do CBD, this is how I recover, and just

1157
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: how important it is for the medical community to study

1158
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 4: this or take her seriously. She says she dealt with

1159
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: so many doctors that didn't believe that she wasn't taking them,

1160
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 4: and that there's no way she could be here with

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00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 4: that kind of pain without going to an opioid or

1162
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 4: the traditional go to painkillers.

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00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, this is not going back to some of

1164
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: the roots that we dug in season one. Misinformation about

1165
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: some of the benefits of potentially some of these things are,

1166
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: how harmful they are or not. A lot of that

1167
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: research is driven in the dirt, and then it doesn't

1168
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: get research at places, and we still need so much

1169
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: more research, and like I said, the ignorance of a

1170
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: lot of what CBD is compared to THC and what

1171
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: they do and what they don't. It leads to really

1172
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: bad policy, and it leads to people filing bills to

1173
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 2: remove the whole thing. And you know, you're like, you're

1174
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 2: going to do this to things that don't even make

1175
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: people high. But again it's the lack of research and

1176
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: education and it's ignorance. And I think that stems in

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Speaker 2: a lot of the medical where they are under a

1178
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: guy's and regulations on what they can and cannot say

1179
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: about certain things. They can't talk to you about this

1180
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: if they if they're not allowed to or that or

1181
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: this diet. Not even just with like cannabis, it's with

1182
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 2: other things, like there are things that are allowed to

1183
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: pbscriber and they're allowed or not because those are on

1184
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: those regulations. A lot of that comes from the prohibition

1185
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: that we have on cannabis. It is a schedule one drug.

1186
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: It is a Schedule one drug, and all the other

1187
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: ones are prehbaitive. It's MDMA. You know you need all

1188
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: these special and it really gets into that, and again

1189
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: it just makes all this that much more frustrating when

1190
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 2: you hear these stories of people succeeding and others cannot because.

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00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 4: Of what else right not even given the option right exactly,

1192
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 4: and that's why these stories are important, man, I mean,

1193
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: get them out there so people do have the language

1194
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 4: and the capacity to talk about it with their love one.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, thank you, Liz, And again we're going to

1196
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Speaker 2: keep rolling for the next episode, episode four. Another amazing

1197
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: kind of unique experience and something that's kind of coming up.

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00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: We talk about, you know, being California sober and what

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Speaker 2: that means with Marcus King, who is an amazing i'll

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Speaker 2: just say, a southern rock musician, just overall amazing. We

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00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: got to interview him here in DC, and then I

1202
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: got to go to his concert he was playing that night.

1203
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: My wife and I went and saw some of the folks.

1204
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: Just an incredible artist, an incredible story and one that

1205
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Speaker 2: again I think will resonate with a lot of people

1206
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: coming from a small town, not a lot of resources

1207
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Speaker 2: out there, what does that look like? And again you're

1208
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: gonna have to listen to it to find out. But

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00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: this is when I did solo as well, so you're

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Speaker 2: gonna learn the same time.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it. I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, that's the Again, it's special.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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