Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know front House stuff
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Speaker 1: Josh Clark and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and that
Speaker 1: makes this stuff you should know the podcast. I've been
Speaker 1: working on. My Africana accent was that it sort of.
Speaker 1: I've also been told by some people Chuck, we love
Speaker 1: your accents because they're kind of bad, but they're funny.
Speaker 1: And other people said, oh my god, please don't ever
Speaker 1: do accents again. Oh, you gotta keep doing it. Of course,
Speaker 1: people can't tell me what to do. I think your
Speaker 1: African or um is a little rough, you know, on
Speaker 1: the edges, especially compared to your Italian. Sure that's easy though,
Speaker 1: but um, that's no problem. So do you want to
Speaker 1: say a word in African er? I think I know
Speaker 1: that you know one apartoteid yes, and it means a
Speaker 1: partners in Africana and yeah in Afrikaans, sure, which is
Speaker 1: the language? Yeah? Well where did I get African er? Uh?
Speaker 1: That is the person is an Africana the speak Afrikaans.
Speaker 1: So in Afrikaans, apartheid means a partners and you capitalize it.
Speaker 1: And the reason you capitalize it is because for about
Speaker 1: fifty years, a little less than fifty years, it was
Speaker 1: a national policy in South Africa and it was brutal
Speaker 1: and awful, and the whole world said, you know what,
Speaker 1: South Africa, we judge you, and for good reason. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember being a kid, and we'll get to this later.
Speaker 1: But the artist against Apartheid was the first time I
Speaker 1: ever heard that word as a young teenager, Bano telling me,
Speaker 1: don't play some city. Sun City was built in eighty one. Okay.
Speaker 1: Sun City, first of all, is a resort in South Africa.
Speaker 1: And you know, little Stephen Van's aunt of the Sopranos
Speaker 1: and the E Street Band wrote the song called Ain't
Speaker 1: Gonna play some City, got all these people to sing
Speaker 1: on it, sort of in the It was like you
Speaker 1: two to Curtis Below, to um Africa Boombada to Peter
Speaker 1: Gabriel did like so many people are on that song,
Speaker 1: all these Miles Davis was on there like everybody was.
Speaker 1: It was a good song. Um, it was a good
Speaker 1: ish song, Okay, but it was like I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: play some City. And not only was it a song,
Speaker 1: but it was like a movement and in an agreement,
Speaker 1: like a creed that you were kind of signing. So
Speaker 1: who played. I saw that Elton John and Queen and
Speaker 1: Linda Ronstadt played during apartheid, Sinatra played. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: they knew ahead of time that there was like a
Speaker 1: you know, Sun City was not a good place to
Speaker 1: be and it was in apartheid. It was a good
Speaker 1: place to be if you were in a pro apartheid
Speaker 1: South African with a lot of money, because it was
Speaker 1: a very nice resort and you want to gamble and
Speaker 1: they would get big name acts. But um, if you
Speaker 1: went there and played there and made money there, even
Speaker 1: if you didn't make money there, actually, um, the you
Speaker 1: when had an anti apartheid unit and they kept track
Speaker 1: of who was playing there and they would publish a
Speaker 1: blacklist and there was a huge, huge um backlash against it.
Speaker 1: Most people were just like sorry, sorry. If you said publicly,
Speaker 1: I'm very sorry that I went and played Sun City,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go to apartheid South Africa again. Um,
Speaker 1: as a performer, they would take you off the list,
Speaker 1: but it was still like that. It's really smacked of
Speaker 1: McCarthyism because they used a blacklist for suspected communists in
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. And this is the same thing, but
Speaker 1: in this case, in this case they were on the
Speaker 1: side of right, the black listeners were. But but yeah, so, um,
Speaker 1: if you went to Sun City, you ended up on
Speaker 1: this list. And actually, really interestingly, Tim Reid Venus fly Trap,
Speaker 1: he went down to South Africa with Howard Hussman, Johnny
Speaker 1: Fever w Carapean Cincinnati because w CA Arapian Cincinnati was
Speaker 1: a really huge hit down there. Yeah, so they had
Speaker 1: Venis and uh and Johnny Fever come down and Tim
Speaker 1: Reid is one of the first African Americans invited to
Speaker 1: apartheid South Africa to not perform like this was just
Speaker 1: a publicity tour, and he spent the whole time speaking
Speaker 1: out against apartheid. And he still ended up on the
Speaker 1: UN's blacklist because he received like a per diem or
Speaker 1: something during his his publicity tour there, and he uh,
Speaker 1: he spoke out. There's a Chicago Tribune article from the time,
Speaker 1: from like night six that interviews him and he was
Speaker 1: a really smart guy speaking out against this blacklist, or
Speaker 1: at the very least, like how um clumsy it was
Speaker 1: that they weren't using a scalpel at all. They were
Speaker 1: just like, oh, you went to South Africa and they
Speaker 1: gave you some money and now you're blacklisted. He's like,
Speaker 1: I was speaking out against apartheid, Like you get what
Speaker 1: are you doing? So let's talk. Let's talk apartheid. Let's
Speaker 1: where did this come from, Chuck. I mean, it's it
Speaker 1: was instituted in but it was way older than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: racial suppression was going on sort of from the seventeenth
Speaker 1: century on in Africa, or at least in Southern Africa.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't South Africa at the time. We should
Speaker 1: point out. We'll get to that though. Um. But the
Speaker 1: Dutch came there in the seventeenth century just as a
Speaker 1: little stop off station. They wanted to set up on
Speaker 1: the Spice Route Dutch East Indy Company. They're like, we
Speaker 1: need a place to kick back a little bit and
Speaker 1: rest on this trip. And so I was about to say,
Speaker 1: they said, do you mind? They I don't think they asked.
Speaker 1: They did not. They just sort of set up shop there.
Speaker 1: And they were not there to colonize um. Initially, it
Speaker 1: was just just to set up a station and um.
Speaker 1: But the because they were Europeans, they did bring um
Speaker 1: along with them. The thought that white people are supreme
Speaker 1: to black people with them, that's right. Um, So that
Speaker 1: notion is immediately set up, like, hey, we're better than you.
Speaker 1: You can't tell us what to do. We have guns,
Speaker 1: and uh, we're more quote unquote advanced if if you
Speaker 1: following those European lines of what advanced is. And because
Speaker 1: they were Europeans during the Age of Exploration, they said,
Speaker 1: let's colonize anyway, let's do it. So they did, um,
Speaker 1: and they started setting up settlements that weren't united but
Speaker 1: we're basically the Dutch and then later on the British
Speaker 1: into a much lesser extent of French. UM basically saying
Speaker 1: just undergoing a land grab that involved basically taking land
Speaker 1: from the indigenous people there and then setting up farms.
Speaker 1: Sounds like another country. It sounds really familiar, doesn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They basically would try and negotiate for land and if
Speaker 1: that broke down, they were like, all right, we're taking it, right,
Speaker 1: and then they would take the land, turning and turning
Speaker 1: the land into plantations, start growing stuff for export, and
Speaker 1: then the people would say, um, we're starving out here,
Speaker 1: and the Dutch people would say, well, come on in
Speaker 1: and work for us for like next to nothing at
Speaker 1: the very least, you'll live long enough to till our fields.
Speaker 1: And that's how the whole thing began. Yeah, basically they
Speaker 1: would end up killing the fields that they at one
Speaker 1: point owned themselves or used themselves as slaves. And this
Speaker 1: was the Dutch at first until about the mid seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 1: Then uh, British activity picked up in the region and
Speaker 1: um they uh you know at the time, it was
Speaker 1: I think you said, just like various separate societies farming,
Speaker 1: live in a grarian lifestyle, ranching, hunter gathering, and then
Speaker 1: the Dutch and then the Brits came down there with
Speaker 1: their own slaves and took the land and said, you
Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna battle with each other over this area.
Speaker 1: And eventually Britain gained control in the early nineteenth century
Speaker 1: from the Dutch even but the Dutch were still there
Speaker 1: sort of running things. Is that how it worked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were way more Dutch settlers than British, but the
Speaker 1: British had managed to gain control of it and know
Speaker 1: it was a British colony and they said, but slavery
Speaker 1: is not legal, no, but you can be uh you
Speaker 1: you are a servant. Basically and we're going to codify this.
Speaker 1: And now for the first time in this area, UM,
Speaker 1: blacks were legally subservient to whites. So instead of master slave,
Speaker 1: that was master servant. But big. And even though the
Speaker 1: British it was a British colony, it was still basically
Speaker 1: run and operated by the Dutch. That's right, UM, And
Speaker 1: some Dutch didn't like that, so they pressed further and
Speaker 1: further inward and UM ultimately uh, creating more and more
Speaker 1: of an area for the future South Africa by dominating
Speaker 1: these tribes with guns, germ, steel, you know that whole thing. UM.
Speaker 1: And then around about eighteen sixty something really big happened.
Speaker 1: A little bit into the interior. They discovered diamonds and
Speaker 1: gold and said, oh, we're staying. Yeah, and they said,
Speaker 1: you know, we know you love farming and all that
Speaker 1: good stuff, but we think you'd be much happier working
Speaker 1: in a mine for next to nothing. At the very least,
Speaker 1: it would make us happier if you were working in
Speaker 1: our minds, that's right. And you know what we're gonna
Speaker 1: um brutalize you. We're gonna segregate you. Uh, We're gonna
Speaker 1: give you the most dangerous shot and humiliate you and
Speaker 1: do cavity searches and you know what, Now you have
Speaker 1: to have a passbook to go to your job as
Speaker 1: a minor, and uh, you're gonna be paid a lot less.
Speaker 1: And the passbooks. The reason we mentioned that is it
Speaker 1: soon became a staple that you couldn't go anywhere you
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to go without a passbook. Right. It was
Speaker 1: initially started as a work thing though in the in
Speaker 1: the minds of South Africa, that's where apartheid was born.
Speaker 1: And a lot of the apartheid techniques like like you say,
Speaker 1: pass books, um, and just the general degradation of blacks
Speaker 1: in South Africa area. Um, it all began. I mean
Speaker 1: it was already in place, but just the brutality of it,
Speaker 1: I take it really picked up in the minds. Um.
Speaker 1: So that was what the eighteen sixties and that was
Speaker 1: pretty much the way it was. Um. It was a
Speaker 1: British colony in South Africa. It was. It wasn't South
Speaker 1: Africa yet, but it was a British colony, Dutch re
Speaker 1: ruling it. The blacks, Um, they're the African the indigenous
Speaker 1: indigenous natives, um were on the losing end. Of all
Speaker 1: of this in a very brutal fashion. And then in
Speaker 1: the early nine hundreds and I think nineteen o eight, um,
Speaker 1: the people who were running this British colony, the Dutch,
Speaker 1: said hey man, we want a little more authority here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they were at this point they were Afrikaaner. Like
Speaker 1: in the past century, they had changed a lot. They
Speaker 1: had this weird hybrid language that developed, and they were
Speaker 1: not they were Dutch in heritage, but they were starting
Speaker 1: to become a new people in southern Africa, which is
Speaker 1: African or they probably felt about as Dutch as like
Speaker 1: you and I feel British, right, you know, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. But yeah, so yeah, they were like
Speaker 1: a whole new, whole new group. But the basis of
Speaker 1: this was that they were a whole new group who
Speaker 1: had grown up in charge of another group and they
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that they had a free hand
Speaker 1: in dealing with these other sub classes. Um. And also
Speaker 1: I want to say, like, any time you hear me
Speaker 1: say subclasses, I'm making air quotes, everybody. Yeah, and when
Speaker 1: I say big difference between master slave and master servant,
Speaker 1: I was being sarcastic. We're anti apartheid, yeah, okay. Um,
Speaker 1: so the the these Afrikaners running the show sent a
Speaker 1: new constitution to Britain, and Britain said, okay, go ahead, Um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and grant this. It's going to
Speaker 1: be called the South Africa Act of nineteen ten. And
Speaker 1: with that, British decreed that the state of South Africa
Speaker 1: was born phil British colony, but it was officially under
Speaker 1: African or control. That's right. And uh, oh yeah, one
Speaker 1: other thing black people can't hold off as ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like the first of what would be many, many,
Speaker 1: many restrictions. And that's a huge one, because all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you have an all white boye made up
Speaker 1: of white people who feel that this is their white
Speaker 1: man's burden to keep you from being shiftless and lazy
Speaker 1: and thieving and just killing yourselves and cutting off your
Speaker 1: own hands and killing one another. It's up to the
Speaker 1: white man to make sure you don't do that. And
Speaker 1: we're going to keep you, keep you safe by subjugating you.
Speaker 1: And the first way we're gonna do that is to
Speaker 1: just have an all white government. That's right. And uh
Speaker 1: and the second thing we're gonna do is we're gonna
Speaker 1: take your land because even though we only make up
Speaker 1: of the population as white people, we need the land.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna shuffle seven I'm sorry of the people
Speaker 1: on to seven percent of the land, really crappy land,
Speaker 1: really bad land. And UM. That was under the leadership
Speaker 1: of General Louis or Louis or Louis both a first
Speaker 1: Prime Minister of South Africa, and the Native Lands Act
Speaker 1: of nine basically was when they said, you know what,
Speaker 1: We're gonna move all these communities. If we kill you
Speaker 1: along the way or you die, no big deal, if
Speaker 1: your whole life is just didn't no big deal. And
Speaker 1: we're essentially going to shove you onto these tiny parcels
Speaker 1: of crappy land. So that began what's called the segregation period.
Speaker 1: But you can't go here, this is white land. UM.
Speaker 1: And after during the segregation period between the Nine Lands
Speaker 1: Act in the fifties or UM, a bunch of other
Speaker 1: things happened for the UM the blacks who are who
Speaker 1: came to be called Bantus Indigenous Africans UM. They lost
Speaker 1: the right to vote in the thirties. In the twenties,
Speaker 1: they had lost the right to unionize and basically they're
Speaker 1: just being pushed further and further out of a meaningful
Speaker 1: participation in society. Yeah. They they they tried to hamper
Speaker 1: their access to education even early on, and fired them
Speaker 1: from jobs even if they were totally more skilled than
Speaker 1: a white worker. Yeah, if you were a skilled craftsman
Speaker 1: and you had apprenticed, you couldn't you couldn't carry out
Speaker 1: your craft any longer. But legally they could go in
Speaker 1: and be like, you know what, there's a white guy
Speaker 1: who we think is better for this job, so you're fired. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that was the government, right. Um, and this was
Speaker 1: even before the African or Nationalist Party. This is before
Speaker 1: apartheid officially. That didn't come around until Wayne Again, with
Speaker 1: an all white government that had been in power for
Speaker 1: thirty five years. This extreme right wing, basically a fringe movement,
Speaker 1: the Afrikaan or Nationalist Movement, came to power and they
Speaker 1: officially instituted what we call apartheid. There are apartheid policy
Speaker 1: starting in ninety eight, but really kicking off in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty with the what the Population Registration Act, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this was under Prime Minister DF Malin at the time,
Speaker 1: and with the Population and Registration Act is when they
Speaker 1: created officially the Bantu like you said, and named the
Speaker 1: indigenous black population. Uh. There. So there's Bantou, there's white,
Speaker 1: and and there's colored, which is mixed race, and you
Speaker 1: have to register yourself and be legally classified as one
Speaker 1: of these three races. Everyone was everybody. If you're white,
Speaker 1: goodness for you, Yeah, because you've got of the land. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you're Bontu or uh, mixed race, then bad luck
Speaker 1: for you. Right and then um at first Indians were
Speaker 1: left out and Indians, I guess because it was a
Speaker 1: British colony, uh, since India was also a British colony.
Speaker 1: South Africa was kind of a place to be force
Speaker 1: for Indians, including Gandhi, who was one of the early
Speaker 1: protesters of the segregationist idea um and was imprisoned for
Speaker 1: I think twenty years in South Africa. Yeah, he was,
Speaker 1: or he was imprisoned while he was there for twenty years.
Speaker 1: He spent part of it in prison for protesting segregation
Speaker 1: of course. But then so ultimately Indians were excluded as foreigners.
Speaker 1: But then just to keep problems from happenings, to keep
Speaker 1: the bureaucracy going, they were added as a fourth race. Um,
Speaker 1: you could not get married between races. If you were
Speaker 1: Bantu and loved with someone of mixed race, you couldn't
Speaker 1: even marry them. Very restrictive. And then next came another
Speaker 1: act called the Group Areas Act, and this really escalated
Speaker 1: the segregation um because now you needed past books essentially
Speaker 1: passports to go from one area to another. Some you
Speaker 1: weren't even allowed in. And um that even went further
Speaker 1: in the Bantu Homelands Homelands Act of ninety one, which
Speaker 1: basically said, you know what, wherever your your area is
Speaker 1: in South Africa, that is now your homeland. And you're
Speaker 1: not even South African anymore. Yeah, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: bannt to you live in this area. If you're a
Speaker 1: banned too married to a colored person, the your colored
Speaker 1: spouse lives in a different area. Yeah, your family's just
Speaker 1: ripped apart. Now, well they took away. Basically they said,
Speaker 1: you're not in South Africa. You're and we're allowing you
Speaker 1: to stay here. Basically if you stay in this one
Speaker 1: area that your past book says that you can stay in, right,
Speaker 1: because you can't stay here because you're not alone, you're
Speaker 1: no longer a member of this country. Believable, Like I
Speaker 1: drew exclamation points next to that one, just because like
Speaker 1: they literally moved in, took over these people and then said,
Speaker 1: you're not even a part of this country right that
Speaker 1: we have established. So they have they've been pushed out
Speaker 1: of participation in society. The um. Anybody who's not white,
Speaker 1: Um is now forced onto a reservation essentially. Um. And
Speaker 1: then they really kind of started indoctrinating the next generation
Speaker 1: with the Ban to Education Act of nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 1: And basically if you were banned too, you would be
Speaker 1: put into a school where the student teacher ratio was
Speaker 1: about fifty six to one on average. You went to
Speaker 1: school three hours a day. Um they did in two shifts.
Speaker 1: A teacher would see two different classes, Um, three hours
Speaker 1: for one and three hours for another, and you would
Speaker 1: be taught basically how um they the history of your
Speaker 1: people was that you were you were kind of dumb
Speaker 1: and meandering, and you hadn't really done anything with the
Speaker 1: land before and um, how you were reliant on the
Speaker 1: white people who came to rescue you and your people. Um.
Speaker 1: You were taught how you could work in a factory.
Speaker 1: And that's about as good as it got for you. Um.
Speaker 1: And basically they were taught to be servile and better
Speaker 1: servants to the the white um afrikanners. Yeah. Well that
Speaker 1: was the plan at least, but it backfired because in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and sixties, instead of becoming more docile,
Speaker 1: they rallied and became uh more upset uh and basically
Speaker 1: he raged against the machine. In the nineteen fifties and sixties,
Speaker 1: at the same time that the U s Civil rights
Speaker 1: movement was going on, the same thing was kind of
Speaker 1: starting to happen in South Africa, and it was the
Speaker 1: beginning of what would be you know, thirty years end
Speaker 1: of apartheid. Yeah, I guess you could say, yeah, um
Speaker 1: people got mad, yeah, and rightly so. Yeah. And this
Speaker 1: wasn't just uh indigenous people. There were also white liberals
Speaker 1: at the time, just like here in the US, that
Speaker 1: were very much against apartheid and also you know suppressed
Speaker 1: when they tried to like you know, raise awareness or
Speaker 1: fight back. Right because one of the things about um,
Speaker 1: the apartheid government, it wasn't just racial segregation. Um. They were,
Speaker 1: like I said, extremely right wing and they were very
Speaker 1: much into isolationism. They kept a very tight control over
Speaker 1: what their their population, white or non white, UM had
Speaker 1: access to as far as the news went music music.
Speaker 1: Have you seen searching for sugar Man. It's a good one, UM,
Speaker 1: and it was you saw what they did with like
Speaker 1: there was a record on there was a song on
Speaker 1: his record Rodriguez yea and m. He scratched the song
Speaker 1: the vinyl so they couldn't be played. They did stuff
Speaker 1: like that. UM just won the Academy Award. And we
Speaker 1: don't want to spoil anything though, because it unfolds in
Speaker 1: a really great, mysterious way. It's good. It's a good documents,
Speaker 1: great documentary, and that's what inspired this decision to do this. Actually, right, UM,
Speaker 1: So the government was fairly close to total terrian, Like
Speaker 1: if you descended against the government, white, black, otherwise you
Speaker 1: would go to jail. UM. But despite this, and despite
Speaker 1: the brutality that the police were engaged in, like UM
Speaker 1: there was a for example, there was a strike in
Speaker 1: v Unarmed black miners went on strike, peaceful protest. A
Speaker 1: thousand people were killed by the police. Yeah, they would
Speaker 1: just open fire on crowds. Yeah. So this is right,
Speaker 1: and this is one of the reasons why UM, I
Speaker 1: think people were so so resistant to being indoctrinated into
Speaker 1: apartheid mentality. Um because of the in part because of
Speaker 1: the brutality of the police tactics. But so let's talk
Speaker 1: about this UM. In the sixties, Uh, like you were saying,
Speaker 1: when the U s Civil rights movement was was really
Speaker 1: starting to brew and and take shape, UM, Nelson Mandela
Speaker 1: emerged as a member of the African National Congress, huge organization,
Speaker 1: and then there was also the Pan African Pan Africanist Congress,
Speaker 1: and they were basically peaceful protest groups that were set
Speaker 1: up to counter the apartheid philosophy. Yeah, and like we said,
Speaker 1: even though it was peaceful, it didn't matter. The Sharps
Speaker 1: Sharpville massacre in nineteen sixty thousand black Africans left their
Speaker 1: pass books at home and said, you know what, We're
Speaker 1: just gonna go to the police station and turn ourselves
Speaker 1: in because we don't have our pass books. What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do processes all. No, they're gonna open fire
Speaker 1: on the crowd, killed sixty nine people, uh, wounded hundreds apparently.
Speaker 1: And then they said, you know what, We're going to
Speaker 1: ban public gatherings then, and they also banned the African
Speaker 1: National Congress in the Pan Africans like, you're all illegitimate
Speaker 1: now and Nelson Mandela, you're going to jail, not yet
Speaker 1: now yet they drove the Pan Africanist Congress in the
Speaker 1: African he went to jail, right, but in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: they drove him underground. And as a result, these groups
Speaker 1: went from being peaceful to becoming actually they formed paramilitary
Speaker 1: wings and Mandela um led the African National Congresses guerilla wing.
Speaker 1: And he actually later on said, yeah, we were we
Speaker 1: were guerillas and possibly terrorists, and like there were human
Speaker 1: rights violations by my group and I regret that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they were good theroists right. Um, but he was
Speaker 1: jailed for for uh, we'll send it to a life
Speaker 1: in prison and remain in prison for thirty years. And
Speaker 1: most people, unless you're super young, remember Nelson Mandela for
Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela being a rallying cry up until like freaking eighties,
Speaker 1: which is ridiculous that this is still going on then,
Speaker 1: but um, that's the way it went. There. Um another protest,
Speaker 1: peaceful Soweto. Um. This time it was students and it
Speaker 1: was because they were trying to make Afrikaans the primary
Speaker 1: language in Black upper schools, even though not many of
Speaker 1: them even spoke it. So what good is that? So
Speaker 1: they went to protest this and against open fire. Two
Speaker 1: children were killed this time and it started a bunch
Speaker 1: of riots and in the end three thousand people up
Speaker 1: to three thousand says between five seventy five and three thousand,
Speaker 1: probably depends on who you're asking. Uh, we're killed by
Speaker 1: the police. Um. And again just following the same script
Speaker 1: that they did with sharp Ville in nineteen sixty, the
Speaker 1: government said all right, all any distent groups are completely banned,
Speaker 1: you know, outright um, and then included the South African
Speaker 1: Students Organization led by a guy named Steve Ico. And
Speaker 1: Steve Ico had he was medical student. He was like thirty,
Speaker 1: I think when he died. UM. He had found what
Speaker 1: was called the Black Consciousness movement and it was basically like, uh,
Speaker 1: it was teaching African self worth, countering everything that was
Speaker 1: taught through the Bantu Education Act and everything you learned
Speaker 1: in school, UM, African self reliance, economic self reliance, UM.
Speaker 1: And it had spread outside of Africa. He was a
Speaker 1: pretty big figure and he was pulled over with the
Speaker 1: Buddy and a bunch of um Anti apartheid UH pamphlets,
Speaker 1: and the police arrested him. They beat him, they left
Speaker 1: him with the head wound, and he died of his injuries.
Speaker 1: Um and when Steve Ico died that was that changed everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was detained under the Terrorism Act nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 1: which basically said, if we suspect you being a terrorist,
Speaker 1: we can detain you for up to sixty days, and
Speaker 1: then we can renew that sixty days, by the way,
Speaker 1: indefinitely without telling anyone, without releasing who's there. And it
Speaker 1: was basically a way to make the people disappear. Usually
Speaker 1: if you were detained under this act, you were never
Speaker 1: heard from again. And Ico eventually found himself in a
Speaker 1: coma and UH because of torture. And then eventually they said,
Speaker 1: after about three weeks, you know, we should probably take
Speaker 1: the guy to a prison with a hospital at least.
Speaker 1: So they threw his naked body in the back of
Speaker 1: a truck to take him to a hospital and he died.
Speaker 1: They said it was a hunger strike. It was actually
Speaker 1: brain hemorrhage from being beaten upside the head. And years
Speaker 1: later Denzel Washington would play him and cry freedom, and
Speaker 1: Peter Gabriel wrote the awesome song Ko and Um Tribe
Speaker 1: called quest has Um Steve Beco song. Yeah, stir it up. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so the Souto uprising, the and the police killings of
Speaker 1: those two children, UH was followed right on the heels
Speaker 1: by Steve Beco's death, which was a big deal, like
Speaker 1: around the world. Yeah, it was the UM the US
Speaker 1: ambassadors South Africa, I think and probably was a huge
Speaker 1: protest move went to Steve Beco's funeral. Um there was Yeah,
Speaker 1: Steve Beco dying was that was a big deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we should shout out to Helen Susman, shout out.
Speaker 1: She was the one voice of reason uh in South
Speaker 1: Africa's all white parliament. She was the one voice anti
Speaker 1: apartheid voice. And she was like if you look her
Speaker 1: up today, mean, she's an amazing, amazing woman. She just
Speaker 1: died a few years ago, but she was at the
Speaker 1: funeral and um, yeah, this is when it became like
Speaker 1: a thing around the world like hate. You know what,
Speaker 1: We're gonna start pulling our embassies out of South Africa,
Speaker 1: We're gonna start boycotting UH sanctions against South Africa economic sanctions.
Speaker 1: And this was happening with the United States Great Britain,
Speaker 1: other Western nations, and basically South Africa became you know,
Speaker 1: the evil Empire, like exposed. It was pretty cool by
Speaker 1: the by. Finally, in nine six the US Congress got
Speaker 1: its act together enough to pass the Comprehensive Anti Apartheid Act,
Speaker 1: and it banned any new investment, UM, any new business
Speaker 1: setting up and dealing in trade with South Africa. Um.
Speaker 1: South Africa was banned from doing business here in the
Speaker 1: U S. So South African airlines couldn't land at any
Speaker 1: US airport. Um. Yeah, big time. The rand fell in
Speaker 1: value is a big deal. Um. And Reagan vetoed it actually,
Speaker 1: and his veto was overridden by Congress. That's how that's
Speaker 1: how much, that's how badly they wanted to do it. Um.
Speaker 1: And it was a very important thing. This was right
Speaker 1: in the middle of Um. This is like when we
Speaker 1: were kids. You remember that, like that that Keith Hearing
Speaker 1: um poster from South Africa. Um. There was like the
Speaker 1: income place, Sun City, remember that one. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a there was a it was a big deal. The
Speaker 1: whole world was opposed to South Africa. UM. There was
Speaker 1: this great thing called divestment that actually may have really
Speaker 1: been a thing that killed apartheid in South Africa was
Speaker 1: the deal. So divestment is and it's going on now.
Speaker 1: But um, with apartheid, it was basically where people like
Speaker 1: it started with colleges. Colleges have huge endowments that are
Speaker 1: heavily invested in all sorts of stuff. And they said,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're not going to invest in anything
Speaker 1: that has anything to do with South Africa anymore. Coca Cola,
Speaker 1: if you're doing business in South Africa, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: invest in any whoever. Um. And so they divested rather
Speaker 1: than invested. They got all their money out and a
Speaker 1: lot of university a lot of universities did this, and
Speaker 1: they did it at the prompting and some of their students,
Speaker 1: like in Harvard, they the students erected a shaneytown to
Speaker 1: show what the people who lived in the towns in
Speaker 1: South Africa were living like. And and got all these
Speaker 1: endowments to to start divesting. And I think uh CAL
Speaker 1: had the biggest one. They divested three billion dollars from
Speaker 1: the South African economy. And um, they think that that
Speaker 1: was the thing that really like like open the bleeding
Speaker 1: go bears. Yeah, So, um, this divestment combined with this
Speaker 1: international political pressure all over the world, and South Africa
Speaker 1: still says, go to hell, we're not getting rid of
Speaker 1: apartheime for years still and yeah, and then finally it
Speaker 1: was what, uh, well, nineteen eighty nine is when the
Speaker 1: big turning point came. That's when F. W. De Clerk
Speaker 1: became president of apartheid South Africa. And between eighty nine
Speaker 1: and ninety three is when he basically repealed everything on
Speaker 1: the books and said this is going in a different direction.
Speaker 1: Now let's release Nelson Mandela. And in fact, when we
Speaker 1: have our first democratic election in nineteen Nelson Mandela wins.
Speaker 1: So what a great ending to that story. And uh,
Speaker 1: despite being in prison for thirty years. Uh. On May tenth,
Speaker 1: when Mandela was giving his his speech, he's closed by
Speaker 1: speaking in Afrikaans. This isn't his inaugurations. Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: like the fact that even spoken that tongue. To me,
Speaker 1: it says a lot about the man. And he said,
Speaker 1: what what has past has past? And here's a Nobel
Speaker 1: Peace prize. Mr Mandela and Mr di Clerk, like you
Speaker 1: both get it in and I like the article pointed
Speaker 1: out it was a shockingly peaceful transition. Uh. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are still many many more years that are
Speaker 1: needed for the healing. Uh. You don't get over or
Speaker 1: something like that overnight if it's been hundreds of years.
Speaker 1: But um, I think things are definitely headed in the
Speaker 1: right direction now. Yeah. Well, one of the things that
Speaker 1: they did was they set up a Truth and Reconciliation Commission,
Speaker 1: which is like basically a tribunal that heard um stories
Speaker 1: of human rights violations that gave victims a voice to
Speaker 1: say it in public, like this happened to me. Um.
Speaker 1: In some instances, people who perpetrated these could be prosecuted.
Speaker 1: They could also be forgiven publicly by this court, this tribunal. Um.
Speaker 1: It was a really good move to like kind of
Speaker 1: help this national healing because yeah, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Apartheid's gone over a four year period. But I mean
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people who were kind of
Speaker 1: into that and they did a lot of stuff and
Speaker 1: they're not protected by the government anymore, and like a
Speaker 1: lot of bad things happened to a lot of people
Speaker 1: are still alive, Like what do you do? Uh? And
Speaker 1: I think that was a really good move to to
Speaker 1: move not just the government but also the society to
Speaker 1: post apartheid um life. Yeah, I'd like to hear from
Speaker 1: people in South Africa about the state of things today.
Speaker 1: And watch Searching for Sugar Man. People. It's really like,
Speaker 1: through this great story of music encapsulates this whole time
Speaker 1: period really really well. Right and then, uh, I guess
Speaker 1: ever since the Aliens landed over Johannesburg, that's kind of
Speaker 1: taken up a lot of their a lot of their attention.
Speaker 1: District nine, Yeah, which was really based on apartheid pretty
Speaker 1: much wasn't What was that the inspiration for them? That
Speaker 1: was a good movie. Yeah, so watch that, watch District nine,
Speaker 1: Searching for Sugarman, and watch Cry Freedom and go listen
Speaker 1: to Tribe called Quest. Peter Gabriel, I haven't even I
Speaker 1: have not listened or seen the Rugby movie yet. Morgan
Speaker 1: Freeman place Mandela with Damon. Yeah, what is it? Invictus? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need I need to see now. Uh, okay, let's
Speaker 1: sit for apartheid hunt goodness? Uh do you want to do?
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Speaker 1: in a very limited experience with it. Your definitions and
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Speaker 1: to learn. It has one of the slowest, most miserable
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Speaker 1: I did? Then how did you Dot waiting to ask
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Speaker 1: I only stand by one, and by by get up,
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Speaker 1: how I figured out how to do it. I did
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Speaker 1: how it's very easy to like get on your hands
Speaker 1: and knees and then get up, but you don't want
Speaker 1: to learn that technique. That's that's what I learned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta call before you can walk exactly. Also I
Speaker 1: should clear up that in general, learning to surf on
Speaker 1: a longboard is usually preferred, as he catch waves easier
Speaker 1: and you're easier to stand up on them a short board.
Speaker 1: But being that catching a wave is the hardest part
Speaker 1: for beginners, you're usually better off learning that way. Did
Speaker 1: you have a short board? Uh? Yeah, it was shortish shortage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it definitely wasn't a long board. They turn easier, but
Speaker 1: turning his pointless if you can't catch the wave in
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Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, it was surf riding. Surf riding anyway.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, good job guys. I'll be
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