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Speaker 1: It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Dula Spector two.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod of Rebellion. Today I have with me.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, It's tsur Car voice of Sabine Wren, Spector five.

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Speaker 2: And also with us, we.

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Speaker 3: and we got.

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Speaker 4: Hey everybody, it's your friendly neighborhood moderator John Lee Brody.

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Speaker 4: And today we're going over our Star Wars Rebels Season two,

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Speaker 4: Episode twenty two, Twilight The Apprentice Part two. Whoa a

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Speaker 4: so checking question. Last week Taylor was aut a ten

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm somewhere yes, Okay, I'm somewhere near there.

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a good one.

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Speaker 5: We're off to a great start. This already well great.

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Speaker 1: I'm still thinking about something that Tia said.

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Speaker 1: And I've talked about that. I'm just I'm fascinated by

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Speaker 3: Here's my here's where I was with that the entire time.

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Speaker 3: And two when I had this experience with friends differently

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Speaker 5: So here we all.

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Speaker 4: Here comes the recap for Star Wars Rebels Season two,

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Speaker 4: Episode twenty two, Twilight of the Apprentice, Part two original

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Speaker 5: Here we go.

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Speaker 5: But forever change.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't know Ghostbusters.

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Speaker 7: You know, yeah, I didn't pick up on.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so nothing I'm not missing like a like a

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Speaker 1: And then you know it was originally James Earl Jones's voice,

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Speaker 1: I was wrecked last night, fully sobbing. Now. Granted, it

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Speaker 1: Kudos to everyone who wrote this episode, and to Matt

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Speaker 3: The one that was Canaan's thing with with Mal is

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Speaker 4: Very you know what's wild because like mal thinks he

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Speaker 5: That's what our strikes back boom.

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Speaker 4: so horribly wrong in so many ways. Here's something that

434
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 4: just occurred to me now, that point where they're reunited one,

435
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 4: because I know you weren't in the booth and did

436
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 4: you even know like that Sabine and Hara would show

437
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 4: up at the end even though there's no dialogue, So

438
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: that was probably when you saw that, You're like, oh, wow,

439
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 4: like that must have impacted you. And I'm wondering what

440
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 4: can you recall from seeing that in the theater and going, oh,

441
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 4: there we are, Oh this is how we're gonna end it.

442
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't know because we didn't have lines and

443
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 2: so we were completely in the dark and watching you

444
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: guys embrace. Oh my lord, I was probably an absolute

445
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: withering mess in the theater. I know Vanessa was probably was,

446
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, even just watching it in

447
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 2: my living room, I was. I was so emotional watching

448
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: that the end. I mean, it's emotion upon mote. I mean,

449
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: you've got Canaan losing his eyesight being blinded by Maul,

450
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: and that duel between two like incredible characters, and then

451
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 2: you've got this You think, okay, so that we've peaked

452
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 2: right in this episode, that's what it's about. And then

453
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: you have Vader versus Ahsoka on that moment where you

454
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: know she's injured him and his bat and then she

455
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 2: and then he says her name, and it's like the

456
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 2: whole that is and and and and that moment where

457
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: she comes to the realization. She says she's not going

458
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 2: to let him go again or leave him right again,

459
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: and he says, then you will die, Oh my god.

460
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: And then they have that duel and then you think, okay,

461
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 2: well that that's the absolute peak of this episode. And

462
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: then we see the return. Oh my gosh, this is yeah?

463
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: Is this the best? Is this? Is this the best

464
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: episode of this show.

465
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 5: It's top for sure. Easy, you know, it's top three.

466
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 2: Top three.

467
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you're the most from I think.

468
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: You hear the most because you're in it so much.

469
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: I don't hear about this one because I'm not I'm

470
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: hardly in it at all. But yeah, I mean I don't. Wow,

471
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: this is this, This just shot right up to the

472
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 2: top for me, like top three.

473
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 5: You know, it's a wild thought.

474
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 4: And remember in episode twenty at the end when Hara

475
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 4: and Kanan have that hug, It's like, because you know

476
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 4: that's the moments about to change.

477
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 5: This is something.

478
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 4: I was like, Wow that you realize that's the last

479
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 4: time Kanaan actually saw her. Oh my god with his

480
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 4: eyes Oh John, because we're talking about that embraced at

481
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 4: the end of episode twenty two, I'm like, oh my god,

482
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 4: like he can't see her.

483
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: God, wait, oh my god.

484
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 5: That is I didn't write it. I'm I'm just starting

485
00:24:59,560 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 5: what they did.

486
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 2: Jeez, Louise, that is really sad. Oh my gosh. I

487
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: hadn't thought about that obviously. Yeah, you're right, Wow, oh.

488
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: God, Yeah, this this I think I was also crying

489
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: last night just because to have been involved in something

490
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: this magnificent and this special in one's lifetime is that

491
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean talk about lucky. I mean that that was

492
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: a time. It was such a collaborative effort between all parties,

493
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: and I mean I was so moved last night to

494
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: be a part of it, truly, And I don't know

495
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: that we were able to take that in.

496
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: I mean not fully right, because we were sort of again,

497
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: we were like in it, you know, and trying to

498
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: do the job at hand. And so it's.

499
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: Funny because during the pandemic, I think what I missed,

500
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: and I did miss my family, but I also kept

501
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: saying to myself, I missed my family, and I meant

502
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: the record sessions that at that point we had just

503
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: sort of finished. I miss seeing you guys and touching

504
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: base with you, laughing and being silly and eating bananas

505
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: and whatever else we did. But in addition to that,

506
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 1: there's this level of something that I feel very fortunate

507
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: to have been a part of that that just holds,

508
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it really holds together. As a Clone Wars fan,

509
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: I was gutted, and I would hope that this episode

510
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: would convince any of the skeptics, Oh no, don't worry,

511
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: we got too Yeah, good luck with this like you're

512
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna need a minute. It was. It was strategic, it

513
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: was skillful, it was deadly. It was there's no way

514
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: you couldn't watch the next season. I mean, Asoka possibly.

515
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: I mean, that was like a thing we didn't know

516
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't give us a straight answer. He was

517
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: very coy. What I mean, dude. And then the birth

518
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: of the shirts of Soka Lives, Asoka Lives, Asoka Lives,

519
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: like everyone was freaking out, and I mean that that's

520
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: very powerful. That to have that kind of yeah.

521
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 7: It was sick. I completely agree.

522
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: Watching this episode, these this whole little this episode, I

523
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 3: was like, this is cool, this is right, Like you said.

524
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if I took that in at all

525
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: while we were doing it, but that I was like,

526
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 3: oh man, that we made something pretty awesome.

527
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, very special, I would say, you know, from like

528
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 4: an objective third party point of view. And so I

529
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 4: want to switch gears a little bit because we brought

530
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 4: up a soca. That scene is so powerful in so

531
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 4: many ways, and it hits different now because of I

532
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 4: don't know if any of you watched the Obi Wan

533
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 4: Kenobe limited series and how that went down because of

534
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 4: the context, of that, and then when you combine that

535
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 4: would returned the Jedi, this hit completely different whenever you

536
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 4: washing it. And I'll tell you what I mean because

537
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 4: when Ahsoka cracks the mask, she cracks the right side

538
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: of Vader's mask. And then I love that they use

539
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 4: both James ro Jones's voice and Matt Lantern's voice kind

540
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 4: of layered on top to symbolize this conflict of Anakin's

541
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 4: still in there, but Vader's dominant. So it's like the

542
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 4: lies exposed, like this mask he's wearing that that's not

543
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: really you. This is who you were created to be,

544
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: and I can see your true self that's kind of

545
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: hiding behind his mask, but he's not ready to commit

546
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: to being Anakin. Again for exampling up obi Wan Kenobi.

547
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 4: They get into the fight, obi Wan cracks the left

548
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 4: side of his mask, lies exposed again. So you think

549
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: about it between Anakin's padawan and Ahsoka and his old

550
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 4: master Obi Wan. They both tried the free Anakin from

551
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: the Vader persona but were unsuccessful. The only person that

552
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 4: could fold the un mask and was Luke in Return

553
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 4: to the Jedi. That's why that moment hit differently. It's

554
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 4: like these different pieces of the puzzle in a very

555
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 4: Star Wars way, because it was always nonlinear in terms

556
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: of how they gave us the story. I'm like, wow,

557
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: like they completed that triangle right there where it was

558
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 4: so contried first then obi Wan and then Luke was

559
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: successful and I just wanted to point that out to

560
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: see if maybe that gets you to look at that

561
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: scene a little differently too.

562
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't seen that scene that you're talking about,

563
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: but that's very you know, very poignant, and also just

564
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: further proof that like nothing is an accident in Star Wars.

565
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: Everything is very you know, conscious decisions are made and

566
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: really like it's it's so skillful and so clever, and

567
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: it's also fun. I'm sure to like it's fun to

568
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: make those connections, right, Like I I love that you

569
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: put that together for me because I haven't seen that.

570
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the obi series, but Obi Wan series,

571
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: but how poignant.

572
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And even just the choice of direction of Ahsoka

573
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: takes like exposed to the right side of Anakin's face,

574
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 4: and typically the right side is associated with like the

575
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 4: conscious self and the future.

576
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 5: You go left to right.

577
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: Storytelling is left to right traditionally, and then when obi

578
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: Wan cracks the left side left being I'm trying to

579
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: uncover who you were, because the left is like in

580
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 4: the past, going back to what you just said to you,

581
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: like nothing's an accident, and it's just even like screen

582
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: direction is so so very much like respected and given

583
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 4: so much thought like into every little action, especially with

584
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: Star Wars, but especially this show.

585
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 5: In this episode in particular.

586
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: When their battle starts, the music changes and I don't

587
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: know where that music is from, but it felt significant.

588
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: Is it Vader's march that the Invader, yes, like dipped into.

589
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure JC will know. I'm not. It didn't stay there,

590
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: but it nodded to it and then went.

591
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: Back just the sickest I mean, he's got to be

592
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: the like most prominent villain ever. I think we've talked

593
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: about Farm but like across cinema anything, like everyone knows

594
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: whether or not you're even a Star Wars fan or not.

595
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: No Vader like Darth Vader and that voice and the like,

596
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: you just know. And even when it comes on and

597
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: you know he's coming, of course he's standing on his

598
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: chip like he's just so cool and.

599
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 7: He's the bad guy. But you're like, dang, this guy.

600
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: He's coolest, bad coolest.

601
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 7: It's crazy.

602
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a that creation George Lucas say, is like

603
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: really and it never doesn't send shivers down my spine,

604
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: Like it's so effective. I know I've seen it before.

605
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: It's not a surprise. And yet yeah, you hear the

606
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: like breathing, and I mean, can I just have to

607
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: hear his like a few bars of his of his theme,

608
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: and it gives me, you know, I have a visceral reaction. Hmm. Guys,

609
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: this episode.

610
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 5: It's a lot, it's a lot.

611
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: And that's crazy about Darth Vader, and I think, Ja,

612
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: I know, I know, jac would have more insight into this.

613
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 4: You know, he never even reached his full potential with

614
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: the Force because he's more machine than man. You know,

615
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: had he retained his human body of Anakin and became

616
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: Darth Vader just through his human body, he would have

617
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: the Force, lightning and all that other stuff. So it's

618
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 4: crazy that he's this powerful, but it's not even his

619
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: full potential.

620
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: You know.

621
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: It's like he's he's like that athlete, you're so sick.

622
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: But oh, by the way, he has like a bad

623
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 4: acl like what he was just running circles around me,

624
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 4: how what do you mean it's not a bad acl.

625
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 5: I don't know what to tell you. Some people got

626
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 5: the gift and that's that's the curry thing about Vader.

627
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: By the way, how cool was Fredday's line, Yeah, this

628
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: one comes as a it.

629
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: Like, I know, I was giving Taylor you deserve the

630
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: props for this episode as well, but like Freddy, Wow,

631
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: like so great.

632
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: That's the trademark Freddy yes, because he's always like yeah,

633
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: like that's the thing I've always kind of know.

634
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, bro, like that's that.

635
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: So it was that energy when he said it to

636
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 4: Sam and knowing that their buddies in real life, and

637
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: I thought of the story that Sam told when he

638
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 4: was here, when yes, Taylor, you were put in between

639
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: you know, Freddy and Sam. And then it made me

640
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: reappreciate that scene even more when Maul's trying to convince

641
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: Ezra and then you know, Cane is doing the whole

642
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: like he's using you Azra sort of thing, and I'm like, oh,

643
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 4: like I'd love knowing the behind the scenes context of that,

644
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: and it made me like appreciate the final product even more.

645
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: You know, you don't you feel uncomfortable with all these.

646
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeahs, atually I'm working overtime. Right now, you get the

647
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: compliment last episode, I'm done.

648
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 5: Actually we're not done. We're still going.

649
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: We still got We're gonna talk about that final scene

650
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 4: with you and Canaan on the ship where Ezra has

651
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 4: the full like breakdown. Like I'm telling that you had

652
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 4: every end of the spectrum of everything you had to

653
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 4: do as like a performer in these two episodes. It's

654
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 4: like and like nailed every single one.

655
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, oh it is the least I was

656
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: hating myself, So that's that's solid.

657
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 7: But yeah, it's just cool. I mean again though, it's

658
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 7: just well written.

659
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I think all actors know the easiest stuff

660
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 3: to do is well written. When you're when you're having

661
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: a hard time with with dialogue and script, you're like, oh,

662
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: it's because it's not great, Like yeah, I really do

663
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: a lot of heavy lifting when something. That's why I like,

664
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 3: I look at some of these actors that are just

665
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 3: blessed have only worked on incredible scripts. It's like, well,

666
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: you just have to step in and let the magic

667
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: move through you. Whereas when you have to lift all

668
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: these scene into a place where you're like how do

669
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: I even make this work.

670
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 7: That's when it becomes I think difficult.

671
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: And then when you're surrounded by everyone in this cast

672
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: dorough so amazing. I think all of us would agree,

673
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 3: like the job becomes very simple, which.

674
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: Is hardly work.

675
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, and it's fun too.

676
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah do you find Taylor? Sorry, this is a little

677
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: bit of a tangent, but I find that I have

678
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: a harder time memorizing bad writing. It will not stick

679
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: in my brain. When it's great writing, it just it's

680
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: like it's easy, easy, it's so natural, like and then

681
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: when I'm having a hard time, I'm like, why will

682
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 2: my brain not you know, like.

683
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: It's still yeah, because it makes sense. I used to

684
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: put a game. I'm like, what am I trying to say?

685
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 3: And then you're like, oh, this script's great because it's

686
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 3: saying what I'm trying to say.

687
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: I don't have to So there are other things.

688
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 7: You're like, why didn't they just say it like.

689
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: This, which is so yes, yes, So that's I mean,

690
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: it's not a good excuse, but it is a it

691
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: is it is. That is what happened. My brain like

692
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: just rejects. I'm like, why can't I remember this? Oh,

693
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: because it doesn't really make sense. It's not really like yeah,

694
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: all right, well I'm glad I'm not alone on that.

695
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 5: Yeah.

696
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 4: I mean, with that said, because the scripts for this

697
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 4: show are amazing, So can you talk to me about this,

698
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 4: maybe the scripts you saw before this, you know, yeah,

699
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 4: the other ones.

700
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: Doug, what what what is it that you're asking, like,

701
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 3: what's your bad ones?

702
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: No, it's just like I would imagine that when you

703
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: went onto the obviously there was life out after Rebels.

704
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 4: So I would imagine going from these scripts each and

705
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 4: every week and then going to the next show. Maybe

706
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't a bad show, but it's like I would

707
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: imagine the bar is so high even still, you know. Yeah,

708
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 4: but I would imagine even still like Rebels, if the

709
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 4: Rebels doesn't set the bar, it's like very adjacent to

710
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 4: whatever the bar is. I would imagine like when you

711
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: go from here anything after that, there's going to be

712
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: some sort of like oh wow, like maybe you realize

713
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 4: even more like how good these scripts were, you know.

714
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

715
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 3: But there is a weird thing too, because it's animated,

716
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: it is a little different. Like even for example, that

717
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: last scene on the ship when he's like breaking down

718
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: there's no dialogue, so you're not I mean outside of

719
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: the diagonal log. If you're on camera, you wouldn't be

720
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: making you wouldn't be it wouldn't be so audible. I

721
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: mean people like, so you're you're you're also having to

722
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: do a little bit too. Like for me, I always

723
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: say this was such a great thing of training for

724
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: my voice is just like one of the many instruments

725
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: because you're having to take everything and channel it just

726
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: through sound, whereas any other time in life we're using

727
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: all of the our instrument that we.

728
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: Can good point valid I concur as Yeah, Frank A.

729
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 4: Mcneale said, and catch me if you can, I concur.

730
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: That's that's a great.

731
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

732
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: And talk about good writing, Yeah, it is such a

733
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: gift to be able to act well written lines because

734
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: it takes there's this other part of acting where when

735
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: you don't have great writing, the onus is on you too.

736
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: It's hard, and it makes it really hard and and

737
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: and your job is still to be the best you

738
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: can be and to elevate whatever you're working with. But

739
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 2: man like, it does feel like such a luxury when

740
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: you have great writing, and there's like projects that I

741
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 2: can think of that. I'm like, oh, what a dream

742
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: that was because it required so much less effort.

743
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: And I'm jealous of the people who they empowered to

744
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 3: them their first thing was like working with Joking or

745
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: yucking Tree. Yeah, like coming straight into great writing, and

746
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: then your whole career is that where Yeah, people judge

747
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: you based on your work, not knowing.

748
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 7: I will admit.

749
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 3: I was COLDI show also as I've gotten older, that

750
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: was when they'd say dance monkey, and I'm like, how

751
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: you want it it?

752
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 5: Sure?

753
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: Then as you've been doing it longer longer, I'm like, no,

754
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: I know my threshold for what I think is good

755
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: At bad, I've been kicked off the set because I

756
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: was like, I will not say that. If I say that,

757
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: you will use that take. And then I was like,

758
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I know, I already know what's going

759
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: to happen. And then people will be like, well, I

760
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: don't really trust him as artists anymore, and You're like, what,

761
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: You're kind of handcuffed. So it becomes tough because it's like,

762
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 3: what are you going to stand up for?

763
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 5: Yeah?

764
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: Wow?

765
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, So respect the writers everybody, because it all starts

766
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: with the script. Even a producer friend of mine who

767
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 4: I'm about to I'm developing something with. Anytime I pitched

768
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 4: him something, his first thing he says is you got

769
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 4: to have a good script. It's like, I'm not even

770
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 4: going to consider this unless, like, your script is where

771
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 4: it is and then we can talk about where to

772
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: take it. Not every producer, unfortunately, thinks that way. I

773
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 4: wish they did, but they don't. So respect the writers,

774
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 4: and also especially the writers of this show because I

775
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: would put these scripts up against any script that's out. Yeah,

776
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 4: even even like an Aaron sorkinscript. Yeah, I'm calling you out,

777
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 4: Aaron Sorkin, you know what, because these scripts are just

778
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: as good as the West Wing. So go ahead, and

779
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: that at me and I think on that note, that's

780
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 4: a great segue to Jac's fact check.

781
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 5: So what do we.

782
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 9: Got a couple of things? I don't have a lot here.

783
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 9: It's interesting, Taylor, You're talking about guns at the beginning,

784
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 9: and this is no political statement. I can't shoot things either.

785
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 9: I hate guns.

786
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a weird thing.

787
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 9: I shot one gun at a gun range once and

788
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 9: I like, I was like, oh, I don't it was weird, right,

789
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 9: because you always think like, oh, Han solo. I'm cool,

790
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 9: I'm a hero. Like I shot a gun at a

791
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 9: gun range and I was like, this is too much

792
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 9: power for me to have in my hand. I haven't

793
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 9: picked up a gun since I won't. It scares the

794
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 9: hell out of me more than anything. And again not

795
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 9: a political statement, not about anybody who liked guns, not

796
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 9: for me under reason.

797
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 3: I was a kid and it was a thing where

798
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: I was like, I will do it, and then it

799
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: was not connecting.

800
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, we talked a lot about like justification and the

801
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 9: way that Maul was going about doing things. Something that

802
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 9: I think popped up similar to this is when mace

803
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 9: Windu in episode three walks in and is about to

804
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 9: kill spoilers Taylor Uh Palpatine and Anakin's like, you can't

805
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 9: do that, That's not the Jedi way, and mace Windu

806
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 9: is like, I'm the most powerful Jedi on the Council.

807
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 9: I can be judge, jury an executioner if I want.

808
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 9: There's no way he'll have a fair trial. And in

809
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 9: that moment it is like who's who do you side with?

810
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 9: It is mace Windu saying the right thing is Anakin

811
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 9: doing the right thing? Like where is the where is

812
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 9: the moral line in the situation, which I think is

813
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 9: Vanessa kind of what you were talking about with Maul,

814
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 9: where you're like, well, yeah, what's the difference between Maul

815
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 9: wanting to invader and them wanting to invader? Like intent

816
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 9: like greater good? The just do the ends justify the means?

817
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 9: Like how where's that line? And I think it's kind

818
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 9: of cool that it isn't There isn't a line. It's

819
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 9: like a gradient of interpretation. Mal says just Mal, not Darth.

820
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 9: So Darth is a title that Sith will take. So

821
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 9: I do believe that Darth Maul basically just gave up

822
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 9: the title when he bailed on being subscribing to being

823
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 9: a Sith again, similar to like Ahsoka is no Jedi, right,

824
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 9: or or as Sage Ventres who bails on walking down

825
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 9: that Sith path. But I don't think there's any particular

826
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 9: event that just pops up on that a little bit of.

827
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 5: Darth.

828
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 9: Some people believe that Darth is a shortened version of

829
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 9: dark Lord of the Sith. So if you take da

830
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 9: R from Dark Lord of the Sith and you take

831
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 9: the thch off the end of Sith, you get Darth.

832
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 9: Real world apparently there's background of George Lucas saying that

833
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 9: Darth was intended to mean dark father, but George has

834
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 9: rewritten the history of like where Star Wars came from

835
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 9: quite a few times over the last fifty years, so

836
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 9: do without what you will. And also the only time

837
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 9: that the word Darth is ever used singularly, meaning like

838
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 9: not Darth Vader, Darth Tarannus, Darth Mal, Darth something is

839
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 9: obi Wan Kenobi in a New Hope. When they're battling,

840
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 9: Obi Wan Kenobi goes only a man sir of evil

841
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 9: Darth while they're fighting, and so at some point it

842
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 9: seems as if Obi Wan Kenobi is calling him Darth,

843
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 9: as if it's as if it is his first name.

844
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 9: That's been retcon to say, no, he's mocking the title

845
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 9: of Darth to push on Anakin, to emphasize what he

846
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 9: has become from where he was. But you know that's retcon.

847
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 9: In universe, they've written some things. There's a apparently a

848
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 9: planet called Rakatan. They say it's from the word dartha,

849
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 9: which means triumph over death or Emperor Maul.

850
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 5: Compared to Darth Vader.

851
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 9: I feel like Darth Maul would or Darth Vader would

852
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 9: wipe the floor with Darth Maul, he would toy with him.

853
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 9: I don't you rarely see Darth Vader go full Darth Vader.

854
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 9: I think you know, in all of Star Wars, perhaps

855
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 9: at the beginning or at the end of Rogue One

856
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 9: is the only time you really see Darth Vader.

857
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: Open up.

858
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 9: And even then, I feel like it's what maybe fifty

859
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 9: sixty percent of what he could do. Although in Obi

860
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 9: Wan he does grab a spaceship out of the sky,

861
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 9: which is a reference to Sam Whitwer's character in the

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Speaker 9: video game The Force Unleashed, who does something similar something

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Speaker 9: that didn't come up in this episode. The way to

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Speaker 9: kind of unlock the elevators on the Sith Temple, the

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Speaker 9: way that they got to pull the Holocron back out,

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Speaker 9: all that. Canaan says it multiple times as well as

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Speaker 9: Darth Maul, a master and apprentice has to do it.

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Speaker 9: That's the Sith rule of two always too, there are

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Speaker 9: a master and apprentice. Yoda references that at the end

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Speaker 9: of Stars at One during Qui Gon's funeral, so they

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Speaker 9: come back to that multiple times in here. The rule

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Speaker 9: of tool to exists because you have a master and apprentice.

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Speaker 9: As soon as you add the third Sith, two of

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Speaker 9: them are gonna transpire to overthrow the third because it's

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Speaker 9: always there's always a power struggle amongst the Sith, because

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Speaker 9: that's all they're trying to do.

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Speaker 5: Is acquire more power.

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Speaker 9: You guys, last thing I have you talked about the

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00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 9: music at the end and where What does it sound

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00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 9: like that we've heard when Ahsoka says I am no

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00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 9: Jedi at the beginning of the battle. The music that

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00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 9: you're hearing is very similar to Yoda's theme there, That's

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Speaker 9: what I thought, Okay, very similar to Yoda's theme during

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Speaker 9: the Vader and Ahsoka fight. A lot of imperial march

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Speaker 9: notes in there, like very dramatic imperial march notes, almost

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Speaker 9: slowed down tempo wise a little bit against similar to

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Speaker 9: John you've referenced Empire Strikes Back when Vader's throwing the

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Speaker 9: stuff at Luke right before he gets knocked out of

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Speaker 9: the window. And then the music when Ahsoka says I

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Speaker 9: won't leave you is very very reminiscent of when Anakin

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Speaker 9: is standing in the Jedi Council chamber watching Coruscant burn

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Speaker 9: after Order sixty six is executed in episode three, that's

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Speaker 9: what I got.

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Speaker 2: Wow, wow, JC.

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Speaker 5: Very cool, heavy stuff. Man, It's like that's all I got,

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Speaker 5: and it's like the best.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as always nicely done.

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Speaker 4: And we did it you guys. That's the end of

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Speaker 4: season two of Star Wars. Okay, what a show show.

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Speaker 2: See out for the last decade.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: Your first I'm so glad, I'm.

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Speaker 5: So so wild.

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Speaker 4: Well, I look, it's been great reminiscing, like hearing your

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Speaker 4: reminiscing of that time and then just you know, it

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Speaker 4: just seemed like you got you are talking about how

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00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 4: differentely you view it. It's also, you know, ten years

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00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: the past, I would imagine you've grown as people and

909
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 4: you look at the world differently, and that's going to

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00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 4: affect how you watch these shows. And I think that's

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00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 4: really cool. Hopefully it's as cool for you all as

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Speaker 4: it is for me to like witness you talking about it,

913
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Speaker 4: because you know, if I get very silent during the

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Speaker 4: show and I was, I'm like wow, like I'm just

915
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Speaker 4: listening to everything going on because this is just so

916
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Speaker 4: cool to absorb everything, all your memories.

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Speaker 2: It's fun to share them. So thanks for letting us

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Speaker 2: do that. Thanks listeners for listening to us.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're still waiting for your MySpace pages, but

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00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 4: you know that's an open invite. But until then, like, look,

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Speaker 4: this is the end of season two of Star Wars Rebels.

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Speaker 4: We still got well there's two more seasons of Rebels

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Speaker 4: to go. And you know, if this is if this

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Speaker 4: is where the snakes are at the end of season two,

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Speaker 4: oh man.

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Speaker 5: We're uh, we're in for We're for a wild ride. Indeed,

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Speaker 5: go with these texts.

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Speaker 1: I think we do still have thrown on a text chain.

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking about that. We should just.

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Speaker 1: I've put out a few calls and things for guests.

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Speaker 1: Uh that Yeah, it's it's gonna get interesting, y'all.

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Speaker 5: I like it.

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Speaker 1: So you want to you want to keep listening?

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Speaker 5: I like it, all right, Taylor, Let's get out of here.

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Speaker 7: Chi Music.

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Speaker 4: Potter Rebellion is produced in partnership with iHeart Podcasts, Producing,

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Speaker 4: hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Surkar, Taylor Gray, and Johnny Brody.

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Speaker 4: Executive producer and in house Star Wars guru slash back

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Speaker 4: checker j c Riefenberg. Our music was composed by Mikey Flash.

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Speaker 4: Our cover art was created by Neil Fraser of Neil

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Speaker 4: Fraser Designs. Special thanks to Haldy Frey and Aaron Kauffman

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Speaker 4: over at iHeart, Evan krask or a, Willie Morrison, Devor

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00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 4: Trasy Canobio, George Lucas for creating this universe we love

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Speaker 4: so much, and of course all of our amazing listeners.

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