WEBVTT - Graeme Esarey on Expedition Sailing

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to the Overland Angel Podcast. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Scott Brady and I'm here with Brian mcvickers from

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<v Speaker 1>our team, and we have mister Sree with us here.

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<v Speaker 1>We have Graham Sere and I just met you. Well

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<v Speaker 1>we've met before. I know that we have because I

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<v Speaker 1>do remember your face. But we finally got a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to chat last night at the premiere of Grace Schustler's

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<v Speaker 1>film that she did with tred Lightley and with the

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<v Speaker 1>Overland Expo Foundation, and we just got a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>chat because Brian's like, do you got to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>this guy? So there's a lot of commonalities that we've

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<v Speaker 1>got love for sailing, a love for exploration, a love

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<v Speaker 1>for business. So we're going to dig deep into some

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<v Speaker 1>of those conversations today. So thanks for being on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad to be here, and I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>really fun. You know, we're talking about some of the

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<v Speaker 2>most important stuff in the world, so I'm excited about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have good people too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean this is completely tangentle but also

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<v Speaker 1>relevant from an overlanding perspective. But you run IGNIK and

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<v Speaker 1>you guys make these great little fireplaces. I've used them

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place, and you just come up, came

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<v Speaker 1>up with a cool like hybrid fireplace slash cooking. What's

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<v Speaker 1>that one called the mullet.

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<v Speaker 2>Or scullet the light, the mullet, business on top, buld

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<v Speaker 2>on top, you mullet in the back, party in the back.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a you know, it's a it's a skillet

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<v Speaker 2>with height adjustable fire pit and heating underneath it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's elevated fire pit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an elevated fire Is this camp on in the snow?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want your fire down in the snow. You

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<v Speaker 2>want to get it up and you want the heat

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<v Speaker 2>where you can feed.

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<v Speaker 4>You're sitting next to it. The heat radiated straight out.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's super cool. I mean, it's an amazing product

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<v Speaker 4>and a great company. But you're on the podcast because

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<v Speaker 4>you've lived an incredible life and just in the brief

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<v Speaker 4>moment that I had to talk to you, by the

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<v Speaker 4>time I figured out, you had sailed at least one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred thousand miles. And I'm sure we're to get that

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<v Speaker 4>number corrected here in a few minutes once I know

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<v Speaker 4>the scope of it. But you know, you've crossed the

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<v Speaker 4>Northwest Passage and Brian. The reason why you're on the

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<v Speaker 4>podcast today is I've been wanting to talk to you

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<v Speaker 4>forever about your crossing. Graham and I did that together

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<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty four. Yep, September August, Yeah, basically all

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<v Speaker 4>of August.

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<v Speaker 3>It was about a six week trip. I think a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit less.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I think it might. I don't know, I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got on You and I both got on

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<v Speaker 2>a nor no ma ask. So we got on the

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<v Speaker 2>boat in No. The boat, so dog Bark is it's

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<v Speaker 2>a sixty foot it's an old raceboat actually that we

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<v Speaker 2>converted into an expedition. Expedition is kind of a lofty

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<v Speaker 2>word for what we do well, and.

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<v Speaker 4>That's as a race boat. It was an open sixty yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was built for the BOC Challenge, which was

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<v Speaker 4>a kind of a It was a predecessor of the

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<v Speaker 4>Vending Globe, which is a famous around the world unsupported

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<v Speaker 4>NonStop sailing race.

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<v Speaker 5>And was this boat used for that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, so it yeah, did finish the first one.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it was built back when there were no

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<v Speaker 2>iceberg exclusions. So in those days boats ran into icebergs

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<v Speaker 2>and people died and that was just part of sailing

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<v Speaker 2>and and so dog Mark was built for that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of built to go in ice filled waters, and nowadays

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<v Speaker 2>they build boats a little lighter and a little faster

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<v Speaker 2>which don't want to hit in So that was built

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<v Speaker 2>for the nineteen ninety BOC Challenge and the American and

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Plant actually hit an iceberg and sunk his boat

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<v Speaker 2>in that race. And that's what caused ice exclusions.

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<v Speaker 1>So when they created an exclusion, they would limit the

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<v Speaker 1>north latitude.

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<v Speaker 2>So it south flatitude. So basically those around the world

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<v Speaker 2>races all they go down and they run under the horns. Yeah. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but the lower you go, the more breeze you have,

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<v Speaker 2>the faster the boats go, and then the more ice there.

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<v Speaker 3>Is about the roaring forties, so that was that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the thing that was not what our experience was.

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<v Speaker 2>We had some roaring wind, Yeah, we had. We had

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<v Speaker 2>some fairly breezy conditions. Yeah, we saw ice, we saw

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<v Speaker 2>polar bears.

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<v Speaker 3>We had the full experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was telling somebody about I was here at

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<v Speaker 2>the expo. I was talking about the icebreaker that we met,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was a guy who's like, ah, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>Northwest passage. They take cruise ships through that now, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yep, they do. And there are these icebreakers

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<v Speaker 2>that are stationed in places, and the icebreaker will punch

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<v Speaker 2>a hole for the oil tanker or the cruise ship

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<v Speaker 2>from whatever. You don't usually do that for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of us.

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<v Speaker 5>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>We had pretty special treatment, royal treatment, because we were

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<v Speaker 2>there were three there's a mom and two cubs with

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<v Speaker 2>a kill on the ice there, and so we were

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<v Speaker 2>we were a couple of miles from the icebreaker. But

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<v Speaker 2>he was kind of watching the bears too. He's up

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<v Speaker 2>on this high conning tower and so I'm talking to

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<v Speaker 2>him on the radio about you know, the bears in

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<v Speaker 2>our experience and yeah, I bet you see those bears

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<v Speaker 2>a lot better from up there than we do. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I bet you can see how far the ice

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<v Speaker 2>flow goes that way, and he's like, yeah, it goes

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<v Speaker 2>that way a long ways. You'll be you'll be driving

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<v Speaker 2>for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>So we were hunting up and down the ice float

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<v Speaker 4>trying to find a path through it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's hard to with a sailboat. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't break ice. I mean we can, we can

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<v Speaker 2>sort of move it around super heavy, but he so there,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a bunch of young guys on a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of Coasti's on a on a on an Arctic

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<v Speaker 2>vacation tour. It's probably not here, but they called me

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<v Speaker 2>back and they're like, you know, we got to probably

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<v Speaker 2>make a hole here. We've got a chip coming through

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<v Speaker 2>pretty soon anyway. Yeah, you want to take a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a run through with us, good training drive for

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, beats the hell out of going north

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<v Speaker 2>twenty miles. Sure, let's do this. And so these are

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<v Speaker 2>big red ships that he says, Oh, and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>we break ice at nine knots he which is faster

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<v Speaker 2>than most sailboats can go period. Yeah, and we'll do

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<v Speaker 2>the best we can. We got a fast boat, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he did a big circle around. We locked in

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<v Speaker 2>behind him. He said, get as close as you can,

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<v Speaker 2>and we went. He went through the ice as fast

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<v Speaker 2>as he could. We went behind him as fast as

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<v Speaker 2>we could. But so what's not well known. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know that, you know, the ice breakers break the ice.

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<v Speaker 2>The ice probably is starting to close up. But that

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<v Speaker 2>ice that he breaks has to go someplace. Yes, some

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<v Speaker 2>of it goes down under his boat, some of it

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<v Speaker 2>comes shooting back up and so it was a slalom

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<v Speaker 2>course in there, sort of a high speed nerve wracking.

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<v Speaker 2>We did hit ice a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 3>Small, small, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'd say that is this an aluminum boat?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's fiberglass.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, basically really interesting part of it is so I'm

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<v Speaker 4>up on the bow calling filming. I'm film and everything right,

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<v Speaker 4>and I look back and Graham is like white knuckled

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<v Speaker 4>up totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of.

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<v Speaker 4>Think it shouldn't be that hard. We're just following another

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<v Speaker 4>boat that just cleared a path. But what it was

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<v Speaker 4>we were in their prop wash and so you were

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<v Speaker 4>trying everything you could just to keep.

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<v Speaker 2>The boat jump and ice is coming at us.

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<v Speaker 3>And so underwater the boat's just getting thrashed back and.

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty It was fun. I mean, in hindsight,

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<v Speaker 2>that was one of those experiences that not paining people

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<v Speaker 2>get to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when we were in southern Greenland, when we

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<v Speaker 1>were getting ready to drop the Arctic trucks to cross

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<v Speaker 1>the island, we used an icebreaker. We couldn't have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>the landing craft. The landing craft is very suitable and

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<v Speaker 1>that was carrying yes, exactly, so the icebreaker was busting

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<v Speaker 1>a path with the landing craft to get up to

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<v Speaker 1>this shelf of ice. I mean it was so thick

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<v Speaker 1>at one point that the icebreaker can't get through it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's where you want to drop the truck because

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<v Speaker 1>you can drive on it because it's so thick. What

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<v Speaker 1>he does, We go amazing experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Neat and we got to see a lot of polar

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<v Speaker 3>bears up close that were walking around.

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<v Speaker 2>Brand and I got chased. Chased, we walked backwards rapidly.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the fastest speed walking backwards in reverse. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's so many parallels between overlanding and blue

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<v Speaker 1>water sailing or expedition sailing. I mean, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>land cruiser, you have a love for vehicle based travel

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But what I found in my very limited,

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<v Speaker 1>compared to YouTube sailing experience is that it's like overlanding,

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<v Speaker 1>but more difficult because you can't pull over things. When

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<v Speaker 1>things are really bad, you're in it until it's over.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas you know you have a vehicle mechanical problem, you

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<v Speaker 1>can get it towed over to a little pull out

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<v Speaker 1>and you can come up with a plan like you're

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<v Speaker 1>in it until it's over one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Risk the risk factors a lot higher.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, particularly if you are it's like overlanding, and the

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<v Speaker 2>more interesting the places you go, the more prepared you

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<v Speaker 2>need to be to solve whatever it is that happens.

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<v Speaker 4>We went to quite a few areas up there that

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<v Speaker 4>there just weren't other people. Yeah, and you wouldn't see

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<v Speaker 4>anybody for a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, especially after you leave tuck t yuktuk. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>not much up there. Yeah until what resolute.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, So Cambridge Bay is in there in that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of span. Cambridge Bay is probably the only place we saw.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'd say that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think one of the most remote areas that from

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<v Speaker 4>a feeling of remoteness was where the Hudson Bay Company

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<v Speaker 4>station was and getting through that cut was the name

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<v Speaker 4>of that cut, oh old.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a cut.

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<v Speaker 6>It's about a mile wide and about fifteen miles long,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's Scott's the south end of Somerset Island, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's got a fourteen knock current go either way. Sure,

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<v Speaker 6>sure you know when it's flowing and it goes both ways.

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<v Speaker 5>And how long is it just to get through it?

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<v Speaker 4>It's if you're doing it at slack, I mean maybe

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<v Speaker 4>an hour okay, two hours, you could end up really yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And there's a lot of like bad stories, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>boats sinking there.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to tell the So I've done a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of trips up into the Arctic, and and so the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I went up there in that same bellat straight, straight,

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<v Speaker 2>straight old, get brain turned on eventually. So the first

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<v Speaker 2>time I was there, straight was pretty packed with ice,

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<v Speaker 2>more ice than we saw in it. And one hard

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<v Speaker 2>aluminum boat, modern French design boat was squeezed by the ice.

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<v Speaker 3>And popped like a cork.

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<v Speaker 2>And so and a woman on that boat had to

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<v Speaker 2>get out and spent I think they spent twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>hours on the ice on an ice flow, yeah, on

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<v Speaker 2>an ice floe, on moving ice. And then by moving

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's moving, yeah, fourteen current. Yeah, And so they

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<v Speaker 2>had to wait for They said, it's either the polar

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<v Speaker 2>bears or the coast guard. Somebody's going to get us.

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<v Speaker 2>And the helicopter got them first. So it's pretty pretty interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>terrifying story.

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<v Speaker 5>And that was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was listening to it on the radio thinking, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, I was at the time. I was there

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<v Speaker 2>with my family, Yeah, and I'm thinking what am I

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<v Speaker 2>doing I've got ice all around me too. We were,

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<v Speaker 2>we were plugged in by ice at that point. But

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this on the radio was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>things that you know, makes you realize that the consequences

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<v Speaker 2>are legitimate.

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<v Speaker 5>In that point.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, Brian you mentioned a similar story, because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't remember you telling me that one. But yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>was another boat that was super strong and it got

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<v Speaker 1>popped up out of the ice.

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<v Speaker 3>The same location.

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<v Speaker 4>This was maybe four days before we went through the

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<v Speaker 4>Bellet Straight, and it's on the This happened on the

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<v Speaker 4>east end of the Bellet Straight near the Hudson Bay

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<v Speaker 4>Trading Post, and in that area there's quite a few

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<v Speaker 4>big rock outcroppings that break the surface, and then there's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of whirlpools as well. And so the story

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<v Speaker 4>that we heard from the group that had gone through

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<v Speaker 4>before us, they were coming the other way from east

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<v Speaker 4>to west. A boat got was there, following one another.

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<v Speaker 4>The last boat got pinned between two ice flows, popped

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<v Speaker 4>up out of the water onto its side onto an

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<v Speaker 4>ice floe spun around three sixty degrees.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody had to be to hold on for dear sixty. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Big aluminum, big strong aluminum, expensive.

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<v Speaker 4>So the beautiful boat they spin around because now the

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<v Speaker 4>ice thing is trapped in a whirlpool. And then the

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<v Speaker 4>ice flow that they were on cracked in half and parted. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they plopped back in the water and kept on going.

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<v Speaker 5>Give me out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>We never really got anything close to that.

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<v Speaker 2>I can just imagine that. Oh my goodness, lets you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and what you told me last night that I

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<v Speaker 1>found was so fascinating. You just alluded to it. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is that was your successful crossing of the Northwest

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<v Speaker 1>Passage with Brian a few years ago. Was your second

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<v Speaker 1>time through, because the first time you were there with

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<v Speaker 1>your family and you made it about halfway, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not quite halfway.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it depends on where you measure from. But

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<v Speaker 2>we had really terrible ice year that that particular year,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of weather, a lot of wind. So

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<v Speaker 2>the wind driven ice basically plugged the passage and for all.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think one sailboat got through. Yeah, and they

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<v Speaker 2>got through really early actually the other direction, coming towards Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of us were stuck. And we were stuck

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<v Speaker 2>in the ice for a long time, and eventually the

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<v Speaker 2>Canadian Coast Guard called us and said, hey, guys, it's

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<v Speaker 2>time to go home. We're leaving. The icebreakers are leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>If you would like, if you and your family would

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<v Speaker 2>like to stay right where you are, freeze in for

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<v Speaker 2>the winner.

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<v Speaker 3>You can do that, and there are people that do.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're going home and you should too. And I

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<v Speaker 2>looked at my daughters and my wife and they're like

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<v Speaker 2>the best part. Kind of the inspiration from all that

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<v Speaker 2>was so you deal with failure, right, this is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we've spent a lot of money and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time and kind of the family dream to do this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're not going to make it. So there were tears,

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<v Speaker 2>but my oldest daughter eventually turned to me and said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Dad, it's been reading too many sailing books.

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<v Speaker 2>But the whalers after their whaling season, when it begins

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<v Speaker 2>to freeze up here, whalers, they all go to Lahina.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we go to Lahina? I have a pretty fast sailboat,

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<v Speaker 2>so I said, yeah, we can go to Lahina. And

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<v Speaker 2>so Dutch Harbor to Lahina in dog barks about ten

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<v Speaker 2>days wow. And so we got down to Dutch Harbor,

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<v Speaker 2>loaded up, put the tuna jigs out and headed for Lahina.

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<v Speaker 2>And behind us changed quite a bit in that in

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<v Speaker 2>the last year. That was prior to all of the

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<v Speaker 2>fires there. But boy, what a wonderful welcome after being

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<v Speaker 2>in the ice. You know, they were so nice to

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<v Speaker 2>us and family was ecstatic to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think you had mentioned that you guys

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<v Speaker 1>decided then to kind of sail more in the South Pacific.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, yeah, so we actually went down so from Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 2>and Hawaii's wonderful place. It's not it's a difficult place

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<v Speaker 2>to cruise, like if you want to if I think

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<v Speaker 2>of cruising on a sailboat like overlanding, there are places

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<v Speaker 2>where it's really easy and the terrain is right essentially,

0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:13.240
<v Speaker 2>you know why is hard, big mountains, the wind in

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<v Speaker 2>those channels is challenging. So some of the windiest sailing

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<v Speaker 2>we did crossing the between Maui and the Big Island.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we did did some cruising there and my

0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.600
<v Speaker 2>family said, well, let's go to the Marquessas. And because

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<v Speaker 2>for my honeymoon, my wife said, how about we sail

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<v Speaker 2>to Hong Kong for our honeymoon. Different boat halber Grassy.

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<v Speaker 2>We're having a halber Grassy story, and so my kids

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<v Speaker 2>had I mean I've got tattoos from the Marquesas, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually the only place I will let people put

0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:50.920
<v Speaker 2>needles in my body in the Marquesses. But it's it

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<v Speaker 2>was one of those experiences that I wanted to share

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<v Speaker 2>with them, and so we're able to go down go

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<v Speaker 2>we did the Marquesas. The to motives are amazing cruising

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden and you can go from

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<v Speaker 2>being in the Arctic and there's a kind of blue

0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.080
<v Speaker 2>water in the Arctic that is really striking. Where you

0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.920
<v Speaker 2>guys went swimming with all those jellyfish up there. Yeah,

0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.160
<v Speaker 2>that was I mean it's almost glacial blue. And then

0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.639
<v Speaker 2>to go to the Tuamoto and have this beautiful blue

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<v Speaker 2>green experience is just amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So my kids have had they had to put up

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of torture, but at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting to again come back

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<v Speaker 1>to those parallels between blue water expedition, sailing and overlanding.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, like overlanding would be the classic routes

0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.680
<v Speaker 1>would be like the Silk Road or the length of

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<v Speaker 1>Africa or crossing Antarctica, these these very classic uberland routes,

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<v Speaker 1>and sailing has similar ones. I mean the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>come to mind for me is like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great prizes that remains is the Northwest Past. It's getting

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit easier to do that, but it's only

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<v Speaker 1>been you know, other than overwintering, it's only been in

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<v Speaker 1>the last decade or so that people are regularly attempting

0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:12.200
<v Speaker 1>to cross the Northwest Passage in privately owned sailboats or

0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.679
<v Speaker 1>other privately owned boats, even motor yachts. So it's fairly

0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.159
<v Speaker 1>recent that's been even feasible to do. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>other one that you and I talked about last night,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Point Nemo, which is something that well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it to me, it's it's on my bust bucket list,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's only because I'm so ignorant of what that

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<v Speaker 1>exactly means. You know, I've looked at it on the map,

0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and I've I've cruised around on Google Earth, and I'm like,

0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that is really really far from land in any direction.

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<v Speaker 4>So for the for the listener and the viewer, Point

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<v Speaker 4>Nemo is it is the most remote point on the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>The furthest away from furthest away.

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<v Speaker 4>From land, and there's nothing there, so there's no actual

0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.680
<v Speaker 4>It's a point on a map it's not it's not

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<v Speaker 4>an island, it's not a point of land. It is

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<v Speaker 4>just to point on the map that is the furthest

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<v Speaker 4>way from anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so far from anything else that that is where

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<v Speaker 1>the International Space Agencies drop all their trash, like the

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<v Speaker 1>like all of all the secrets, we're not going to

0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.720
<v Speaker 1>get invested here, all of the all of the yeah,

0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.080
<v Speaker 1>all of the satellites. That's where they plan to bring

0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.720
<v Speaker 1>the International Space Station out of a little bit. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think you probably want to time it to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure either.

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<v Speaker 3>That you're there. That could be kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, either you want to make sure you're there

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<v Speaker 1>on that day or you want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>you're not a little nimble though I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would all just come down to chance.

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<v Speaker 1>But that would be pretty neat to see the space

0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:37.919
<v Speaker 1>station come out of the come out of.

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<v Speaker 4>The I think the rarity of some of these achievements,

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<v Speaker 4>like the Northwest Passage is so dog bark was when

0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.520
<v Speaker 4>we did that, it was number two hundred and ninety

0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.480
<v Speaker 4>six something like that. As far as the number of

0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.400
<v Speaker 4>private trips that had gone through and some of those

0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.760
<v Speaker 4>what it's not two hundred ninety six boats. It was

0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.400
<v Speaker 4>two hundred ninety six trips. Because there's yeah, we met

0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.920
<v Speaker 4>a few people who had done that, done it five

0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:03.960
<v Speaker 4>or six times.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and very few of those are It's a

0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:12.280
<v Speaker 2>very small circle of people who are doing that regularly.

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<v Speaker 5>And then there's a crossed an Arctica. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 5>very rare.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty similar that. I think, you know the differences

0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:26.000
<v Speaker 2>up there. Change is happening at a rate that I

0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:27.920
<v Speaker 2>think it's in the press all the time. You know,

0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:33.959
<v Speaker 2>we're Canada in particular, is really investing in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 6>An important geopolitical.

0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Conversation for all of us.

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<v Speaker 5>First, it will ultimately be a very viable commercial route.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that has been the goal. It's right

0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.119
<v Speaker 2>now it is not a very viable commercial route, but

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<v Speaker 2>unless you have a submarine, in which case it's a fine.

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<v Speaker 4>We went into one of the Inuit villages that we

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<v Speaker 4>visited and we're talking to some locals and he looked

0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:03.720
<v Speaker 4>at me really serious, and he kind of whispered and

0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:04.240
<v Speaker 4>he said.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see any submarines?

0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 4>Like, we didn't see any submarines, because there can like

0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.840
<v Speaker 4>a lot of folks will see stuff up there that

0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.560
<v Speaker 4>kind of shows up and then disappears. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of traffic that nobody really knows about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes sense, and that you know, those passages

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<v Speaker 2>count too, but we don't know very much about.

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<v Speaker 4>I think a combination of the global weather opening that

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<v Speaker 4>up and changing the ice flows in the seasons, and

0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.600
<v Speaker 4>then I think also shared knowledge. It's a lot easier

0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.600
<v Speaker 4>for people to use the Internet in different modes of communication,

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to share how to do it and

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<v Speaker 4>the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's some of the same starlink is Starlink

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<v Speaker 2>enabled all kinds.

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<v Speaker 3>Of staring the entire time.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time I went up there, we were not

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we were using a radium based systems Iridium

0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Go basically you know that sort of hunt and peck emails,

0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:05.280
<v Speaker 2>glorified texting by and startling. Four of us could basically

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 2>be talking to work or the coast Guard or whoever

0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:10.920
<v Speaker 2>at the same time.

0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:15.560
<v Speaker 4>And we had we had immediate access to government issued

0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.200
<v Speaker 4>in scientific ice charts, right, so they're really racking down ice.

0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Load pictures of ice every twelve hours or so.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we could overlay wind patterns on top of

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.359
<v Speaker 4>those to predict where the Ice was going to move

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<v Speaker 4>to Yeah, sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was really the tech has changed the game

0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:32.560
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>If you think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just two years before that, when you and I crossed

0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.399
<v Speaker 1>the Pacific, Brian, we didn't have starlink, No, we had

0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 1>we had very expensive like it was like eight thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was AKVH GIMBALEDKVH satellite ball that was in like

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<v Speaker 4>this egg on the bottom back of the boat.

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<v Speaker 7>last year with Simon and Schuster called Overlanding One oh one.

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<v Speaker 7>You can find it on Amazon or Barnes and Noble

0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:57.120
<v Speaker 7>or even your local bookstore, and that encompasses my decades

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<v Speaker 7>of travel around the world, all my mistakes and failures

0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:03.479
<v Speaker 7>and the lessons that I've learned in traveling around the globe.

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<v Speaker 7>Many of those that you hear on the podcast had

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 7>been distilled down into print form with great lists and

0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 7>beautiful imagery, So you can find that at your local bookstore.

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<v Speaker 7>Overlanding one on one. And thank you all for listening

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<v Speaker 7>and for supporting us so much throughout these years.

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<v Speaker 4>As eight grand a month, yes, right, and when you

0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 4>got when you got up into the northern latitudes, the

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 4>further north you got, the less coverage you had because

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:31.200
<v Speaker 4>the satellite for so low in orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>And plus combined with the heel of the boat. Yeah,

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I remember that was one of the challenges. The satellite

0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 1>could only get heel over, it could only heal over

0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:40.719
<v Speaker 1>so far before it lost connection.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, But starlink now makes complete. So we used starlink.

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 4>We used they were Canadian issued ice chart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Canadians really do a nice job.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we used predict wind quite a bit for

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 4>the wind patterns for you, as I use that for

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:57.320
<v Speaker 4>Lake Roosevelt.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The technology. I mean, these are shared technologies that I think,

0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not just for sailors or for boaters.

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 2>I think that I use Windy as another app. I mean,

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>if you were that's the one that Windy is outstanding.

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 2>It's outstanding when you want to see pre SIP moving

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 2>across an area, you know, the satellite radar is all there,

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 2>and to have all that on your phone in real time,

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We had I think we had two or three garment

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 4>in reaches on there, and we had another Iridium system

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 4>that was still on the boat that was still doing

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 4>I was pinging somebody.

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, actually that was the tracker. So the rideom Go

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 2>provided the tracking data for predict whens so that you

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:46.879
<v Speaker 2>could see in real time where a dog bark was

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 2>as we were moving across. Yeah, that's a pretty good

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:55.160
<v Speaker 2>use of that kind of low bandwidth technology.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we definitely you know, I think trips like that

0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 4>into those remote areas on a sailboat, you really start

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.480
<v Speaker 4>to appreciate redundancies. And we experience that in overlanding. You

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.199
<v Speaker 4>have a couple of different systems that might back things up.

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 4>You've got some spares, you've got some emergency kits. But

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:15.160
<v Speaker 4>I'll remember that we so dog Bark has two autopilot systems,

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 4>and when you're doing a trip like that, the autopilot

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 4>becomes another very valuable crew member. And we had a

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 4>few experiences with one system that was getting very confused

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 4>because of the magnetic goodness. Yeah, the magnetic discrepancies up

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 4>in those high latitudes.

0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 2>Anybody who talks about the magnetic North Pole as a

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 2>as a fixed place, it hasn't been there, and it

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 2>moves and there is interference in the area, and you

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:53.600
<v Speaker 2>can quite literally watch your compass around like this and

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 2>you think, I don't think we're at the North Pole.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the first time we realized that the boat

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<v Speaker 4>actually did a three sixty wow, like we were like,

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 4>what is it? Very very slowly, but we realized that

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 4>we're pointing the wrong direction, and it did a full

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 4>circle all on.

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Its own, and and so magnetic compasses are good for

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things, a lot of places, but maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not there.

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 4>So we were able to switch from you switch from

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 4>one system to the other while you recalibrate the first one,

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 4>switch back and forth. It was just the redundancies and

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 4>a lot of the spare party.

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 5>You basically have to input the declination from.

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:35.120
<v Speaker 2>The Yeah, you can do that manually with the older autopilot.

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 2>The newer one wants you to drive around in circles

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 2>until it figures.

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:39.240
<v Speaker 3>It all out.

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.879
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, you know, the poll is moving, and so it

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>had a heck of a time trying to auto calibrate.

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I think we kind of had to force it eventually

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>we did.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, that's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's let's talk a little bit about your experience

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 1>adventuring in the world of overland.

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<v Speaker 5>So you tell us about the lank Is you've got.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have I have an old So it's a

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 2>it's a two thousand and six land cruiser, so it's

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>not that old, but it's not that new either, yep.

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 5>And it is vehicle.

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're great, and it's you know, it's sort of

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 2>a workhourse. So I have that on a first gen

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 2>tundra that is the Ignick truck that you know has

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 2>the roof tops and desk boxes, and basically we drive

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 2>that truck. One of the perks I'm a little pump

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 2>for Ignick here, but one of the perks of working

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 2>for Ignick is that somebody has to drive that truck

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>to these shows, which is an opportunity to have a

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>week long camping experience. And so we we do, you know,

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 2>the five overland shows we do in the wintertime. We

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>do like snow on snow stuff, and so we spend

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, upwards of thirty days a year sleeping in

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 2>in the truck. Yes, actually sometimes on asphalt down here.

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 2>At least you guys have gus under this ring.

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 5>Not so much.

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Camp is something exactly.

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 3>Not my fault.

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Find me a holiday, but but yeah, we The ability

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 2>to work in an environment that you truly enjoy is

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 2>something that I did not learn right away in life.

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>I've worked, I've done all kinds of stupid things professionally,

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>but but working in the space makes the work fun.

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 2>And so you know, we we laugh about who's yeah,

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I gotta drive the truck down to flag Staff. Know,

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 2>we were fighting over who gets down there.

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Because you guys are based out of the Pacific Cambridge Island,

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>so that is that's a beautiful the world.

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 2>We're happy to be there. Yeah, but you know we

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of travel all over the west. Yeah, we don't

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 2>drive to the East show so that one.

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did a few years and there's nothing wrong

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 1>with Overland Expo East. But for whatever reason, Brian and

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I are cursed with weather, Like the weather.

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Was so the hurricane show.

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>It was so bad for us one year that parked

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>cars like with nobody in them. We're sliding down the

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>hill at and like piling up at the bottom of

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the hill. I was like, you know, maybe the universe

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>is telling me that this isn't the show.

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:34.479
<v Speaker 3>There were three or four years in a row they

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 3>they had.

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm all about it.

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 4>There are a hurricane a few years in a row

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 4>that just we get right on the edge of the

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 4>cell and it just saturated everything.

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 2>It was such a beautiful place. It is and we

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>actually all these shows have interesting opportunities and challenges, right,

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 2>you know this one is it's glorious on the market here.

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I think So Cal Market is the most stoked overland.

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 2>They really are, and they're crazy here.

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 3>You got a lot of folks coming right out of

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 3>La this whole area.

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm also seeing just a very different attitude,

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 1>like people are here just to have fun for the day,

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Whereas I think that the folks that are making the

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 1>trip the flag Staff, they're a little bit more deeply committed,

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>they're mate and I think that there's a little bit

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>more strongly opinionated as well. It's like, whereas these southern

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>California folks are like, I'm out here with my kids

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>for the day.

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 5>I love my Tacoma, Like this, what are you cooking?

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing a really a really great attitude out of

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the people that are attending this show, which I think

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>is really.

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Neat and we need more of that. I mean, it

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 2>is you know, it is work, and you know we

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 2>talked about consequences earlier, but it should also be fun.

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 5>It should be fun.

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 2>So seeing these people here have fun, They're whooping and

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:51.479
<v Speaker 2>hollering out there right now.

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is definitely a family environment.

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing tons of which is you know, you don't

0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>have an industry. You don't have a business if you

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>don't have young people involved with it, if you don't

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>see kids. We can see a lot of families here,

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>which I think is really encouraging. Well, i'd love to

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to circle a little bit into some of

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>your professional experience, because you mentioned to me last night

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>that you would you've sold three businesses, which when we

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>were talking earlier before we started to hit the record button,

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>it's only four percent of business owners that get to

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a successful exit. They all exit in one way or

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 1>yet it's not a successful Yeah, it's not a successful exit.

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>It's you know that they've had they got to shut

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>their business down, or they they've gotten into so much

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>debt that they can't carry the load anymore, or they

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 1>time out physically. I've heard that the number one reason

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>why businesses fail is because the founder runs out of energy.

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 5>They literally they.

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Wake up one day and they say that the prospects

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 1>of going forward feel more daunting than the prospect of failure.

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>So I would love to hear a little bit from

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you about, like, what what are the things that you

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>learned in three successful exits, which has got to be

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>in the point zero zero zero kind of time range

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 1>of success.

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 2>So I truly think that being an entrepreneur is it's

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 2>one of the hardest things that anybody can choose, and

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people, all of us, actually

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 2>made those choices without knowing what we were getting into.

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 2>There is a leap of faith that is required to

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 2>do this, and that blissful ignorance allows you to say,

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I got this right. And I think that you know,

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>the entrepreneurial process is the is going from I got

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 2>this to and not knowing how to when you land.

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>In order to stick the landing, you've got to you've

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 2>got to be able to take the how and build

0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 2>it into a business sure, so that it isn't us

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 2>doing all of the work. The processes have to be

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 2>built out. But I think that so what you said

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 2>about entrepreneurs who bonk, essentially who run out of energy

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 2>for the job, it really resonates with me because the

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 2>middle of the night, you can't get to sleep, How

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>are we going to make payroll? How are we gonna

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 2>How am I going to survive this? I don't know.

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Pick up recent catastrophe COVID or supply chain disruptions or

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 2>terriff impacts, whatever it is, all of those things can

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 2>be totally terrifying. And my attitude is we'll figure it out.

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 3>A lot of resilience.

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Resilience and the blissful ignorance. Confidence also belief in your

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 2>people that you know it's not I got this, but

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 2>there's some we to that. But I think that at

0:34:57.800 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, it comes down to.

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 5>Persistence and persist today.

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Persistence is I'm not gonna quit today. I'm not going

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>to bulk today, and I don't have the answers. You know,

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 2>being honest with yourself that not having the answers doesn't

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>mean the show is over. It just means we're gonna

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have to keep trying stuff and maybe we're

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna fail, fail quickly, and don't let the mistakes that

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>we all make sink the boat.

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, And when you say not fail, not all failures

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:32.919
<v Speaker 3>the end.

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Of the day, right, not of fact, it allows for Frankly,

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 2>bankruptcy is not the end of the day. There are

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can recover from almost anything if you

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 2>are dumb enough, tough enough, stubborn enough, brilliant enough, or

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 2>lucky enough.

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that those handfuls a definitely except for the brilliant,

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 1>I definitely had luck and dumb enough.

0:35:55.400 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 2>And if those things, I don't think there's any secret sauce.

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Persistence is the word that I use to describe, you know,

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 2>the willingness kind of not to give up, and not

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>not so much not to give up, but to keep

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 2>trying to find solutions. That for me, it's the belief

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 2>that sooner or later somebody's going to solve this problem.

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Why not me, you know? And I think that is

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 2>and luck, you know, luck, I mean, there's there is

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 2>no I would love to say that, you know, it's

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 2>it's brilliant, but it's kind of the other four things

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 2>that that actually get you through.

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think about it.

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Even in this industry that there there's been a lot

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>of people that were way smarter than me, right, that

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't make it right.

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 5>And I think a lot of.

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Times, I mean I can think back so many times

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>where I was like, I don't know how we're going

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>to make it, and then Brian would call me up

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 1>and he'd be like, Scotty, I just got this contrast,

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like out of nowhere, we were saved

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>for another day, and it just gave us. It gave

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:12.320
<v Speaker 1>us enough momentum to be able to build a reputation

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and to be able to deliver on our vision and

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:20.320
<v Speaker 1>it allowed us to survive. And I know that you know,

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.279
<v Speaker 1>it's very We've talked about that, you and I have

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 1>where like it's very easy to have that survivorship bias

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>of like I made all these great decisions. I'm not

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>so convinced of that, especially for myself. I think that

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I had great people. I had people that I trusted,

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 1>that I worked with, that we all worked on the

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 1>same level I was. I never felt like I was

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the guy in charge because I wanted everybody to be

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>able to make decisions without me because I was gone

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot, I traveled a lot. So I think that

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>we had timing on our side. I think we had

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:49.399
<v Speaker 1>a lot of luck on our side. And I think

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>we had just enough time to build a reputation that

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 1>people wanted to work with us, and it got us

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 1>through it.

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 5>But it's very tough. It's very tough.

0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, so the quality I've been a fan of Overland

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Journal might kind of since the first one was put

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>in my hands. It was beautiful, world class work. So

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 2>that's that's something too. I mean, you have to you

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 2>have to have you have to have something that you

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 2>are uniquely good at. Yeah, and you guys made me

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.799
<v Speaker 2>come to my cabin on Mount Rain. Hear there are

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 2>old episodes, you know, sitting next to the toilet.

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.840
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, there there however, and it is.

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:32.319
<v Speaker 2>That inspiration is still there for me, and that's pretty cool,

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:35.360
<v Speaker 2>you know. I think in my case it's less about

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 2>that sort of artistic brilliant. For me, it was there

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:44.839
<v Speaker 2>are all of these problems, and you know we our

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:49.399
<v Speaker 2>products are not perfect. We make mistakes, but we also

0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 2>fix mistakes. Right, So if making a mistake once it's

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 2>pretty easy to do, pretty pretty normal, that's that's life people.

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 2>But your ability to convert that into learning and to

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 2>use that learning to move forward, I think, you know

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 2>that's the ignect secrets of us. You know, we're not

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 2>We are here to fix stuff that bothers us about,

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:17.279
<v Speaker 2>like products should don't need to necessarily create waste. And

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>if we can make products that are a little more sustainable,

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and each product, but each generation becomes a little more sustainable,

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 2>that's progress. And I think that product companies need to

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.399
<v Speaker 2>be able to make progress if they're going to stay

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 2>in business.

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 1>And so for us, that's one thing I would say

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:35.320
<v Speaker 1>that you did a great job of, too, is that

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:40.360
<v Speaker 1>you identified where's the greatest opportunity in this area of

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>discipline which you guys have, which is around heating or

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 1>swarming people around a campfire and also preparing food. It's

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 1>very common thing that everybody does when they go camping,

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.720
<v Speaker 1>but it's there's more and more fire restrictions than every before.

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>So if you were to go into business to say, hey,

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make a really beautiful camping fire tray

0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>for wood fires, I don't know if that's a good idea.

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 1>It's going to get harder and harder to sell it.

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 2>That would be something you might want to learn from. Right,

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.280
<v Speaker 2>you might say, huh, so sparks are not a good idea.

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 2>How do we do this without sparks? How do we

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:15.920
<v Speaker 2>do this with a non off switch? How do we

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 2>The hardest problems can be broken down into relatively simple things,

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and you don't have to solve every problem all the

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 2>way all at once. It's okay to say this is

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 2>better than you know what went before, and I think

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 2>you know if you can, Rather than like my wife

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>is a perfectionist, I am.

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm about progress. Like let us just let us make

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 2>a difference a little bit out of time, rather than

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.479
<v Speaker 2>trying to solve the world's problems at.

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.400
<v Speaker 4>Once, you are also filling a void and solving problems

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 4>or filling a need that maybe not everybody realizes is there. Right,

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:54.760
<v Speaker 4>So Overland Journal has always been very unique offering.

0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 4>There was never anything like it before, and there's other

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 4>really truly nothing still like it. Yeah, and you know

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 4>with Ignick, you have talked to me before about this

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 4>a pretty significant passion about green gas bottles. Yeah, the

0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 4>disposable green bottles that everybody and so you guys took

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 4>that as a bit of a challenge and said, we're

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:20.840
<v Speaker 4>going to find a.

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 5>Solution for that to reuse them.

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, to eliminate the need for them, yea, to

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:31.320
<v Speaker 2>have a reusable solution. And you know, honestly, if I

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 2>could have replaced green bottles with something like today, we

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 2>make a one pound refillable cylinder that is essentially a

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 2>one for one replacement for the green bottle, and that's

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 2>called the tap rack. But we didn't. We came out

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 2>of the Arctic the first time in twenty eighteen and

0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 2>started Ignick. It's taken us that long to get to

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 2>a solution, but our first solution was, let's get a

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.759
<v Speaker 2>refillable propane tank that is small enough and portable enough

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and has a handle and maybe hoses in a afters

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 2>that you can use it to do the work of

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 2>a green bottle and refill it easily. That we called

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:08.680
<v Speaker 2>the gas growler. That was the sort of the first thing,

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 2>but for us, that was a perfect example of this

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 2>is better than those things that I don't still don't

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 2>know how to throw away. It's got its limitations. And

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.239
<v Speaker 2>then we eventually got to the tap wreck, which is

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:23.360
<v Speaker 2>a sort of a take these four one pound bottles

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 2>to the service station, put propane in them. Here's my

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:29.359
<v Speaker 2>three dollars, let's go. You know, it's now a much

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 2>more convenient solution than trying to shrink a barbecue propane

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 2>tank down to a portable size.

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:39.279
<v Speaker 3>And coming out of the Arctic. The first time, it

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 3>was the handwarmers.

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, the hand warmers. There was a whaling camp that

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:45.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell anybody about, but I can't shut up about.

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 2>We're at a whaling camp and they were living in

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 2>the whalers. We're living in shipping containers, and they were

0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 2>heating the shipping containers with those little screw on catalytic

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 2>eaters screw onto one pound bottles and I walked into

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 2>that shipping container and I was like, oh my goodness.

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 2>And you know there obviously it takes a lot of

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.840
<v Speaker 2>one pound bottles to heat a shipping container. And you know,

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 2>we show up, we've got these aluminum lightweight refillable or

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 2>composite lightweight refillable tanks, and I would just why. And

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 2>it comes down to awareness, right, it's not I think

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 2>many people don't know that propane tanks come in almost

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:33.280
<v Speaker 2>any size.

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 5>You want.

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Now, buy the tank with the specs that you need,

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 2>buy any nick tank, buy another whatever, it doesn't matter,

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 2>but buy one that's right for your needs, and then

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:43.839
<v Speaker 2>refill it rather than.

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Try to access access.

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I hear that all the time now that

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:52.879
<v Speaker 2>there are so many good refillable solutions. I ask people, well,

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 2>so why are you still using green bottles? And they're like,

0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:57.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, for me, it's one hundred miles to get

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 2>to anywhere that I can get a propane And I

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.359
<v Speaker 2>was just like, well, you need a bigger propane tank, right, sure, yeah,

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:05.720
<v Speaker 2>that's that's again that's a solvable problem.

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.279
<v Speaker 4>But along with the businesses that you've been involved in,

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 4>you also seem to be quite a like almost on

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:14.560
<v Speaker 4>an engineering side.

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 3>You're a product designer.

0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I remember we were on dog Bark.

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 4>And I and you've got we've got the Christmas tree

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 4>of headlamps, right, so it's a vertical pull and all

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 4>these headlamps.

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Strapped to it.

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 4>And I grab a headlamp and I was like, oh,

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 4>I've got the same one at home. And I said

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 4>I really like this one. And you kind of chimed

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 4>in and said yeah, but it's got this problem.

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I don't know. It works pretty well,

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 3>and he goes, no, I designed it. I know all

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 3>about the problems.

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Joking back camp being headlamp designer. There a bunch of

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 2>closet headlamp designers running around, so yes, we did do

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.759
<v Speaker 2>I did a bunch of lighting design I actually my

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:55.720
<v Speaker 2>background's weird. I graduated from school and I moved to Taiwan.

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I worked in electronics.

0:44:57.719 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 5>Mean, incredible, how long did you live there?

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I lived in Taiwan, So I worked for a Taiwanese multinationals.

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.040
<v Speaker 2>I lived in Taiwan for four years. But I also

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:10.240
<v Speaker 2>we had a factory in Thailand. So I mean getting

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 2>paid to work in you know, amazing places is the gig.

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:17.879
<v Speaker 2>I learned that at like twenty three. You mean, you're

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 2>paying me to be to work in Thailand, let's do this?

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 5>Amazing?

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I did that. I did that until the

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 2>mid nineties. I moved back because of the woman that

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I am currently married to. Amazing, but I did. I

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:34.600
<v Speaker 2>did a good stint in Asia.

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 3>And how many languages are you up to?

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 5>So I speak?

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I speak Chinese pretty fluently.

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 5>That that's pretty useful.

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:46.760
<v Speaker 2>And I can swear in a couple more languages.

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:55.239
<v Speaker 2>No. I think that having the ability to live abroad

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.719
<v Speaker 2>and to experience cultures is another one of those things

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.600
<v Speaker 2>that I think transforms humans. And I you know, I'm

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:06.400
<v Speaker 2>preaching to the crowd obviously, but you know, if we

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:11.320
<v Speaker 2>could get you know, our kids to travel more, and

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>that's about the best thing that we could do to

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:17.279
<v Speaker 2>make better humans because they have it. It makes them independent,

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 2>it makes them competent, and it gives them It gives

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:25.880
<v Speaker 2>them a sort of awareness that our perspectives aren't People

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily may look different, they may speak differently, but

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 2>but you know, they've also got really different problems in

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 2>some of the other places. So you go to the

0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Arctic and they are humans that are really worthy of respect. Yes,

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:45.800
<v Speaker 2>they they live their life. Challenges are real life challenges,

0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:48.600
<v Speaker 2>and you know it gives you context when you know,

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I can't connect my phone to the internet. That's not

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 2>a life challenge.

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 4>You come back from traveling to some areas like that,

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 4>and it's what you thought were problems before you left

0:46:57.840 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 4>art in.

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:02.839
<v Speaker 2>Significant it really you know, it's reassuring to me come

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:05.879
<v Speaker 2>back and how are we going to make payroll? We'll

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:10.360
<v Speaker 2>figure that out. And you know we do not have

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 2>polar bears in the backyard.

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.440
<v Speaker 2>We can let our kids go and play in the backyard,

0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:19.160
<v Speaker 2>so it's different.

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:21.360
<v Speaker 1>One of the things I wanted to ask you about,

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Graham is you know you've done how many hundreds of

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 1>thousands of miles have you sailed around the world.

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:27.879
<v Speaker 5>Let's get a number.

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't let's say more than one hundred. Brian was

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:34.600
<v Speaker 2>asking me, so I it's probably more than that. So

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 2>I my dad was a commercial fisherman. I did thirteen

0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 2>or fourteen seasons, you know, on fishing boats, and those

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 2>miles are hard to count. But we're kind of running

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:48.320
<v Speaker 2>from California to Alaska. The months on the water so

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>you can months on the water every year. So I

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:55.360
<v Speaker 2>probably did forty or fifty thousand miles as you know,

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 2>as a kid, as a young adult, and then I

0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:02.520
<v Speaker 2>got into sailboats and started racing sail boats. I've done seven,

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of Hawaii trips from either Alaska down

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 2>to Hawaii or a bunch of racing from mostly from

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 2>California and Washington.

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 5>And that boat that you have is meant for that.

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 1>In fact, yea, if I remember, that boat has won

0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:19.479
<v Speaker 1>the trans Pact several times, right.

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I think three times? Three times. Yeah, So it's uh,

0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:26.879
<v Speaker 2>the boat's fast. But I've done it on a bunch

0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:29.960
<v Speaker 2>of other boats. I've done on really modern race carbon

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 2>fiber raceboats.

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Some of the listeners might know more than we think.

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 7>So it's.

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 2>A It is a carbon fiber rocket ship. Everything on

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:47.200
<v Speaker 2>it is carbon and they are capable of insane speeds

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 2>really some of the funnest things that ever. It doesn't foil,

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.879
<v Speaker 2>but it planes like crazy. So you know you're you're

0:48:56.040 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 2>sailing down wind that twenty five twenty five not plus

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:04.960
<v Speaker 2>top speed on twenty twenty eight dog barks top speed

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight twenty nine knots. You know, these boats when

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 2>they're set up to go down when they fly, but

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:14.920
<v Speaker 2>from a living experience, what you have here is so

0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.960
<v Speaker 2>much more comfortable. So you're in this carbon fiber tunnel,

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:22.400
<v Speaker 2>and there are fourteen of us in this carbon fiber tunnel.

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 2>We have bunks that are this wide carbon tubing, and

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 2>you get into your sort of pipe berth. You ratchet

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 2>the pipe berd up so you can't fall out because

0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 2>the boat is flying through the air and jumping off waves,

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and so you squish yourself on the high side of

0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the boat against the wall as tight as you can,

0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:42.520
<v Speaker 2>and you attempt to sleep for four hours before you

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:45.360
<v Speaker 2>get up and do it again. And so use headlamps

0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:48.399
<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours a day because there's no light down

0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 2>there whatsoever. It's a really different people do that strange

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:53.319
<v Speaker 2>things for.

0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Fun, doing it for fun.

0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 1>It's all for fun, but how much learning comes out

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of racing that they can then experien in regular sales well.

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 2>And the things we do with Dynama and you know

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:08.879
<v Speaker 2>that even carbon all that you know that comes from

0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:12.719
<v Speaker 2>the Bleeding Edge, which is the TP fIF two fleet. Yeah,

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:16.919
<v Speaker 2>and the Spectra and you know all of the high

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 2>end ultra light backpacks all of that tech.

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 3>We used to work with. Was it Viking. We used

0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 3>to work with a recovery.

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:29.520
<v Speaker 4>Equipment company, all Icelandic Guys Icelandic fishing equipment. They were

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 4>all fishermen, and so they were taking a lot of

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.120
<v Speaker 4>the rigging that they were using on the fishing boats

0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 4>and realized they could just recover vehicles with it because

0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:37.279
<v Speaker 4>it was so.

0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Strong, right, And I think that, you know, that's wonderful.

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's so many places that there's cross pollination.

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:47.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, even the soft shackle was on sailboats before it

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:49.360
<v Speaker 4>ever came into the vehicle recovery.

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:51.880
<v Speaker 1>And you know one of those pulley blocks that are

0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 1>used for recovery now. One of the things that I

0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask with all of those years of working

0:50:59.880 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 1>in teams on sail boats and are high stress conditions

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 1>crossing oceans with your own family, which is a totally

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:09.960
<v Speaker 1>different experience from a different a crew from a different

0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Let's share with the listener some of the things that

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 1>you've learned through that, Like how has that changed you

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 1>as a person? Like how how is Graham different today

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:23.080
<v Speaker 1>after all of that learning than thirty years ago?

0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:28.320
<v Speaker 2>So I think, you know, I have more appreciation for

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:31.759
<v Speaker 2>what humans are capable of. It is I mean, and

0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:39.800
<v Speaker 2>small children are their amazing clay for creativity. They become,

0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:42.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, the most interesting people in the world very

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:46.080
<v Speaker 2>quickly if they are truly challenged. Yeah, I am about

0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:48.480
<v Speaker 2>as far from being a helicopter parent as you can.

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm a parachute parent, like strap them in, check them,

0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:54.840
<v Speaker 2>tell me how, you're probably gonna make it to the

0:51:54.920 --> 0:52:00.520
<v Speaker 2>ground sooner or later. But I believe that we learn

0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 2>by doing, and to some degree we learn by failing,

0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:05.839
<v Speaker 2>and kids learn so much faster than we do as

0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:08.880
<v Speaker 2>adults that it's a crying shame that we aren't torching

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:13.359
<v Speaker 2>our children more because there's so much learning opportunity there now.

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 2>I really believe that people have to get out and

0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:22.280
<v Speaker 2>have adventures and become uncomfortable, find their comfort zones, stretch

0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:26.040
<v Speaker 2>their comfort zones, and I just think that their lives

0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:27.960
<v Speaker 2>will be so much richer if they can do that.

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:32.240
<v Speaker 2>And my threshold for pain is different than other people.

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I think you can. I think the willingness to go

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 2>out there and try stuff that maybe you don't understand

0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and learn a little bit as you do. That it's

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 2>wonderful and sailors are this group of people who are dreamers.

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:52.280
<v Speaker 2>And you know, the ability to execute on a dream

0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:56.040
<v Speaker 2>is an amazing thing. That's how adventures happen, right, That's

0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 2>how expeditions succeed. Is you have to be crazy enough

0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:04.040
<v Speaker 2>to dream something big, and then you have to be

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:09.840
<v Speaker 2>stubborn enough, persistent enough to execute on that dream. And

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:14.319
<v Speaker 2>that's how that's how great adventures have some bad ones too.

0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I completely agree.

0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.759
<v Speaker 1>And it comes down to the realization that if we

0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:24.360
<v Speaker 1>don't stretch ourselves, if we don't test ourselves on a

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:29.239
<v Speaker 1>regular basis, we can completely normalize to a fraction of

0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:32.400
<v Speaker 1>our potential potential. So it's not just about having a

0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:34.719
<v Speaker 1>big idea or a big dream. We've got to build

0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 1>ourselves up to that. In addition to having a big

0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:40.560
<v Speaker 1>dream of driving around the world, or sailing around the world,

0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:43.200
<v Speaker 1>or sailing in the Northwest Passage or whatever. I mean,

0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Brian dreamt about doing that for as long as I've

0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:49.359
<v Speaker 1>known him. Yeah, as long as I have twenty years

0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I've known Brian. He is that has been a dream

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:56.840
<v Speaker 1>of his to cross the Northwest Passage. Yeah, and he

0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:01.200
<v Speaker 1>kept himself tuned up, kept himself he was pushing himself,

0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 1>crossing the Pacific, living for years on his sailboat with

0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 1>his wife Amy, and it put him in.

0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:10.759
<v Speaker 5>A position that he could do it. And that's right. Yeah,

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:12.480
<v Speaker 5>And so it's it's not just.

0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:15.720
<v Speaker 1>About having a big dream, although those are very important.

0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:18.719
<v Speaker 1>That's fuel, that's like gets things going. But you've got

0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:20.400
<v Speaker 1>to have the ability to do it.

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.920
<v Speaker 5>You got to keep pushing yourself, learning new things, building

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:26.080
<v Speaker 5>your skills, building relationships with others.

0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.000
<v Speaker 4>That's part of it, a big part of it, right,

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.920
<v Speaker 4>And being able to share those dreams, even to voice it.

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:32.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:37.560
<v Speaker 4>We met in the basement of the Sans Convention Center

0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:41.920
<v Speaker 4>during shot show and I think we had written an

0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:46.400
<v Speaker 4>article about Ignick and we were chit chatting and somehow

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 4>we started talking about boats and sailing and I said

0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:52.960
<v Speaker 4>Northwest Passage and he was like, wait what he said,

0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:58.840
<v Speaker 4>Northwest Passage, And before you know it, it happened. In fact,

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:02.400
<v Speaker 4>I remember remember getting onto the boat because I had

0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 4>not met anybody else on the crew except for Graham,

0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:08.399
<v Speaker 4>and I got on the boat and he Graham wasn't

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:10.160
<v Speaker 4>there yet. He kind of came in the next day

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:13.200
<v Speaker 4>and I I'm received by half the crew that was

0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:15.560
<v Speaker 4>already there and they kind of got a little bit

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:17.400
<v Speaker 4>of the grilling, right, They're like, so, who are you

0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:20.840
<v Speaker 4>and what do you mean You guys met that a

0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:24.279
<v Speaker 4>trade show. You're now on this boat doing this thing,

0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:26.880
<v Speaker 4>and and it you know, what a great crew, what

0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:31.279
<v Speaker 4>a really flexible, friendly, welcoming group of people and all

0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:34.319
<v Speaker 4>incredibly skilled and talented. And that's part of the reason

0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:36.839
<v Speaker 4>we had such a great trip. But you know, that's

0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:38.160
<v Speaker 4>how those things come about.

0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:45.600
<v Speaker 2>But the ability to communicate clearly and forde relationships makes

0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:49.239
<v Speaker 2>magic happen. And I think that for us, we were

0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:54.800
<v Speaker 2>just we had similar dreams and you have to be

0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:58.880
<v Speaker 2>able to arrange your life in a way that allows

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 2>you to go take August except I mean the adventures.

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:05.959
<v Speaker 2>The adventures are hard and you have to be able

0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:08.600
<v Speaker 2>to prioritize. You kind of have to train your family

0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.879
<v Speaker 2>that this is who I am and you know we're

0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:15.520
<v Speaker 2>going to have these strange adventures from time to time, and.

0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, the support of the family goes along.

0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:20.920
<v Speaker 2>It's impossible to I mean, it's not impossible to do

0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 2>these things alone.

0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:24.319
<v Speaker 5>But boy, it's a lot less joyful, I think, right.

0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:28.120
<v Speaker 2>And having you know someone who in the sailing world

0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:32.880
<v Speaker 2>we call short support, but having someone who supports you

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:36.880
<v Speaker 2>makes whether that is making the you know, taking care

0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 2>of the kids, or whether that is calling the coast

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:44.479
<v Speaker 2>guard when you need help, right, short support is really

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 2>really valuable. So I have some of the best short

0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:48.920
<v Speaker 2>support on the planet.

0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Graham, it's been it's been an inspiration to meet

0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.239
<v Speaker 1>you and to hear your stories. I mean, I was

0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:58.399
<v Speaker 1>my mind was, absolutely I was trying to watch the film.

0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:01.680
<v Speaker 1>It was a great film, but the whole time I'm thinking, like,

0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:05.360
<v Speaker 1>how cool is it that this guy has You've pursued

0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:08.680
<v Speaker 1>your dreams as a professional, as an entrepreneur, but you've

0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:12.399
<v Speaker 1>also given yourself big chunks of time to celebrate those

0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:15.200
<v Speaker 1>successes and to go see the world with your family,

0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and that is a rare thing. And I think that

0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:20.960
<v Speaker 1>all of us need to be inspired. And having you

0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.560
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast it's an inspiration for me and I

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 1>know for Brian. Brian speaks so highly of you, and

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm just so excited that our listeners get to hear

0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:32.920
<v Speaker 1>about what it means to sale around the world and

0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:36.680
<v Speaker 1>how it so much of it translates to overlanding. You know,

0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:40.000
<v Speaker 1>for those that are listening, just remember, like keep testing yourself,

0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 1>get uncomfortable, find the things that give you that little

0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.560
<v Speaker 1>bit of a nod in your stomach because you're learning

0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 1>something new and you're testing yourself and your vehicle and

0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:52.720
<v Speaker 1>your travel companions. And then forge relationships with people that

0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:56.040
<v Speaker 1>have similar dreams and you'll be shocked what will happen

0:57:56.080 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 1>when it all comes together. You might just find yourself

0:57:59.240 --> 0:58:03.200
<v Speaker 1>staring at a pull bear across across in the Northwest passage.

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 2>That's I couldn't have said it better. That's really how

0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the magic happens. Yeah, you know, you guys have made

0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 2>it happen over and over again. I think this show

0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 2>is full of people who read about now are telling

0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>really interesting stories about where the you know, where their

0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:26.400
<v Speaker 2>next adventure is or where their last one is. And

0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:29.600
<v Speaker 2>that's what makes this so much fun, so really lucky

0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:30.480
<v Speaker 2>to be able to do this.

0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:33.720
<v Speaker 1>How do people find out more about your sailing adventures

0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:36.360
<v Speaker 1>on dog bark and then give people, you know, just

0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a quick insight on how to find out more about.

0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Sure so ignick is I g n i K dot com.

0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:46.600
<v Speaker 2>There's all kinds of information about our product there, and

0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:50.479
<v Speaker 2>it's about our philosophies. And then if you're curious about

0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:53.840
<v Speaker 2>saying you want to see pictures of Brian swimming in

0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:58.760
<v Speaker 2>the Arctic. That is saledog bark dot com. And so

0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:00.920
<v Speaker 2>that is the way to all along with us. We've

0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:03.720
<v Speaker 2>actually got some stuff coming up, so I mentioned this.

0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:08.920
<v Speaker 2>We're We're. The boat has overwintered in the maritime provinces

0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:12.720
<v Speaker 2>of Canada. We're headed for Greenland and Iceland this summer.

0:59:12.880 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 5>So amazing.

0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:16.520
<v Speaker 2>You know there'll be more good content coming back.

0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:19.880
<v Speaker 3>I have no doubt. And the website is a great blog. Yeah.

0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:22.080
<v Speaker 4>We had a few folks on the boat did a

0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:25.200
<v Speaker 4>great job of updating it regularly, some gifted photographers.

0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and one drone pilot.

0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:29.560
<v Speaker 5>A fearless drone pilot.

0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Every time I've attempted to fly a drone from a

0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:35.040
<v Speaker 1>sailboat has been a near disaster.

0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:37.240
<v Speaker 5>Every time the time near disaster.

0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:39.479
<v Speaker 2>So we didn't lose a single drone.

0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:40.479
<v Speaker 3>No, we didn't.

0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:43.120
<v Speaker 2>You are And I've got another friend who's a very

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:46.240
<v Speaker 2>good drum pilot, but he lost a couple on dog marks.

0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:48.480
<v Speaker 3>So good record.

0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:52.320
<v Speaker 4>I got more and more confident the further along we went.

0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:54.320
<v Speaker 4>The first day I was like, I'm not flying it,

0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:56.800
<v Speaker 4>And after a while I was like, let's keep it

0:59:57.640 --> 0:59:58.040
<v Speaker 4>right boy.

0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Some of the iceberg footage was just amazing.

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:02.720
<v Speaker 3>It's a great, great backdrop.

1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, Graham, thank you again for being on the podcast,

1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:07.560
<v Speaker 1>and we thank you all for listening, and we'll talk

1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:08.560
<v Speaker 1>to you next time.