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Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.

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Speaker 1: This is actually my favorite time. In depth podcasts are

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Speaker 1: just like I feel like it actually where it's a

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Speaker 1: time where like kick my shoes off, I put my

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Speaker 1: sit down to see where these conversations go. And it's

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Speaker 1: time for another in depth in the Almost Famous podcast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so this podcast will be two in depth interviews. Um. First,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start off with Ben flannic Um. He was

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Speaker 1: the one who ended up with Courtney Robertson in Bachelor's

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Speaker 1: Season sixteen. And then we'll be talking to Jake peal Vacca,

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Speaker 1: who ended up with Vienna in his season, which was

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Speaker 1: that season nine anyway, Um, both guys ended up with

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Speaker 1: the villains of the season. I don't think either of

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Speaker 1: these girls are villains in real life, but that's what

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Speaker 1: they were portrayed as. And um, let's get that conversation

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Speaker 1: started with Ben f the Ben that came before Mr Higgins.

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Speaker 1: Ben was a contestant on the seventh season of The Bachelorette,

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Speaker 1: where he proposed but unfortunately was said no to by Ashley.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this wrong, I Conettie is Ashley Hebert. Nope,

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Speaker 1: Hubert Hubert, I knew it. He was later chosen as

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Speaker 1: the bachelor on the sixteenth season of The Bachelor, where

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Speaker 1: he proposed to Courtney Robertson. Well and less than one

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Speaker 1: year later, uh, that relationship ended. Ben is from Sonoma, California,

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Speaker 1: and as a winemaker, he's the founder of Iron Wines,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask him how you say this, but but

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Speaker 1: he's on now, Ben, what kind of wine do you

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Speaker 1: specialize in? What is this province? Call a provincial? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a It's a region in France. Okay, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the almost from this podcast. We're pumped to sit down

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Speaker 1: with you. They this is how the all in depths work.

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Speaker 1: We really have no agenda for this. We just want

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Speaker 1: to sit down and catch up on where you're at

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Speaker 1: in life, where you've been in life, and maybe where

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Speaker 1: want to start this by saying thank you for taking

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Speaker 1: the time to sit down with us. Yeah, totally, man.

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Speaker 1: You know it's COVID, so I've got plenty of time,

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Speaker 1: don't we. All? Where are you recording right now. I'm

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Speaker 1: actually in Odessa, Texas, at um my best friend's house.

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Speaker 1: He was actually another contestant on The Bachelor, very close

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Speaker 1: touch over the last decade, Lucas Daniels, so I know

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Speaker 1: I would know his face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So

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Speaker 1: you met on The Bachelor at you stayed friends, and

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Speaker 1: then you guys are like just hanging out together during COVID.

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Speaker 1: We're buds. Yeah. I've actually been out here a couple

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Speaker 1: of times during COVID. It's you know, there's not a

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Speaker 1: nice to be able to know. The comforts of Texas

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Speaker 1: I like the people out of here. Yeah, definitely the uh.

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Speaker 1: I know this time has been crazy for all of us,

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Speaker 1: But you spend most of your time still in Sonoma,

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Speaker 1: correct I do, Yeah, that's that's home. Um. I actually

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm here and all eventually back in Sonoma.

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Speaker 1: But the only time will tell. So you don't have

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Speaker 1: Look at that. It's cool. Time to catch you for

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Speaker 1: an I was gonna say, this is the perfect like

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Speaker 1: in my decision. UM. I remember, um thinking that this

427
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: was it and I was really excited about it. I

428
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: do I still do to day, do not regret doing that.

429
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: It felt right in the time. And I don't know

430
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 1: if it's because of like the bubble that you're in

431
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. But UM, it's weird because when

432
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: she said and she said said to effectively no, UM,

433
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: I was really quite angry. UM. I remember this. I

434
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: was quite angry because I felt like I felt like

435
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: I had been like almost tricked a little bit. Um.

436
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't blame you know, the production

437
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: by any means, but you know, it was it was

438
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: part of it was just the whole thing. I just

439
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: felt tricked and I was mad and I was like,

440
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: this doesn't make any sense, and there was and like

441
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 1: in that moment, what did I say? I said something

442
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: like the most poignant thing that like I could ever

443
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 1: have come up with. Good things don't end unless stand badly.

444
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: And I watched that like a number of years ago

445
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: and I was like, good for you, buddy, like that,

446
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: that's brilliant. You said that, just like atn't out of nowhere,

447
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: you just go bam. Good things don't end unless they

448
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: end badly. Yeah, while I'm like piste off and unsure

449
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: of like everything. Um but again, like I don't regret it,

450
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: but I do remember when they put me on that

451
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: little tin boat and sent me out to see Remember,

452
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: I remember feeling it was brutal. I remember feeling, um

453
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: like a little bit of sense of relief, honestly, um

454
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: where like maybe this was maybe this was the end.

455
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: Granted it was embarrassing, but you know, at least I

456
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: at least I I went out honest to myself and

457
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: I meant what I did, and so um, it was

458
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: an accomplishment, I suppose. M. Yeah, you're the only final

459
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: two that had like a weird I'm sorry this is

460
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: the wrong word because it is, but like pathetic leaving

461
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 1: experience where they put you on a boat like they

462
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't I think that fans wouldn't like that today. They

463
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't be okay with that, Like it's already a very

464
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: embarrassing moment to get on your knee. Then you're gonna

465
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: go put him in a little a little tin boat

466
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: with like the sea had swells, and Allen was in

467
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: the front of the boat and I'm just there and

468
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, and my hair looks probably terrible. I don't

469
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: know what was going on in my hair, but I

470
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: apologize to everyone in advance for it just wouldn't let

471
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: me work. Your hair looks great now. It looks so

472
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: good right now. If I just let me wet, it

473
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 1: would have been a lot better. Um, but you know

474
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: it was. It was just terrible styling all around. There's

475
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: this great meme that my Boddy's still send me, like,

476
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: you know, every year on my birthday and it's like

477
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: me and cartoon Francine from art Francine. I'm just going

478
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: to bring this up. Is that it's just perfect. Is

479
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: that it's perfect? Okay, great? Hard anyway, it's Francine from Arthur. Guys,

480
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: definitely google it. If Ben is okay with this totally,

481
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: There's plenty of memes out there. It's it's it's hilarious. Still,

482
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: I still it's hey, you've made it once. You have

483
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: a mean, totally a very viral meme. But then, uh,

484
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: before we we take one more break, and we we

485
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: didn enter into your time as the bachelor. UM on

486
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: the boat. Were you heartbroken? Did you expect what was

487
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: to come? Uh? No, I did. I didn't expect what

488
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: was to come. I think I was just stunned in

489
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: that moment. I remember being on the airplane going going

490
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 1: home and I cried. I do I do remember that. Um.

491
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: So there there there was real raw emotion. And then

492
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: after like that big kind of exhale and all those tears. Um.

493
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: I did feel some relief. Um Um. I didn't get

494
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: a whole lot of closure around all of it, but

495
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: like you know, it all worked out as well as

496
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: it got. How long do you think the heartbreak lasted for?

497
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: And would you consider one of your great heartbreaks along

498
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: with the other two? Um no, I you know, honestly,

499
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't put it up with the other two.

500
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: It was. It was different because because of the environment

501
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: and everything that was going on. UM, you know, it

502
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: was definitely it was definitely heartbreak. It was difficult, but

503
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that young puppy love that you you

504
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: know that you experience. I was definitely more weathered in

505
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: the department of rejection in relationships by that point. Were

506
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: you friends with JP? Yeah, and still am. JP's a

507
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: great dude. He's a good angler, and he's a big

508
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: fan of mollusks, so we share a love of oysters

509
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: and clams and all that good stuff. He's a good guy.

510
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: That's how I picked my friends. Hey, Ben, there is

511
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: still more to come. Your story is not even halfway

512
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: completed yet. We'll be back with Ben f on the

513
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: Almost Famous In Depth podcast. Okay, Ben, So let's talk

514
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: about when they first asked you to be the Bachelor.

515
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: How many months was it after you got done by Ashley?

516
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: Did you feel stoked or a little bit weary? Um?

517
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: Good question. It was. I remember where I was. I was.

518
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: I was at the winery, and it was like two weeks,

519
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: like two weeks later. Um, two weeks. It was really

520
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: really quick. Uh. And I told him I would, you know,

521
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: give him a few days. I was coming into harvest,

522
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: so I was gonna be busy making wine, um crystals.

523
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Was also very concerned about it being harvest season. Oh yeah, yeah,

524
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: that's right, that's farmer boys. Um. And I was more

525
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: concerned with, like I suppose, like how my mom would

526
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: take it all, because she, you know, she had a

527
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: hard time with me being on television the first time,

528
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: and this was a very very different, different thing. UM.

529
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: But I think I deliberated for maybe forty eight hours,

530
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: and I was like this, I'm sure why not? Like

531
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: I had, I had a ton of fun on on

532
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, UM and I and I and I enjoyed

533
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: it immensely really despite the outcome. But so it was

534
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 1: it was pretty quick. What about it? Did your mom? Like?

535
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: What was she most hesitant on? I think just like

536
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: the um intrusion into family UM, and like our our story.

537
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: You know that my dad passed away when I was

538
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: twenty four, and so that was a big storyline. UM.

539
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it was like hard for my mom

540
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: to relive as it was for all of us. UM.

541
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: But honestly, like I've said this a lot when I

542
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: was on the Bachelorette, you know, in speaking into that

543
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: that that camera and like telling your story and like

544
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: being super authentic, I I don't like healed big time

545
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: around my my dad's passing. I was able to like

546
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: talk through it. And you know, I watched those episodes

547
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: years ago and I see this like this kid kind

548
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: of like getting over it and and like coming to

549
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: terms with it and like talking through it, and it

550
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: was like it was super cathartic and and Allan was

551
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: a big part of that. He asked the right questions

552
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: and I'm thankful for that that period of my life.

553
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: H it is therapy for sure. Was that your first

554
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: experience of therapy in a very non traditional way? Yeah, yeah,

555
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: you have the nail on the head. It can't be

556
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: very therapeutic if you if you embrace it, um, and

557
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: you're willing to like you know, show your true colors.

558
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,239
Speaker 1: I think that, I think you're spot on. I Uh,

559
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: We've we've had many guests now in depth podcasts and um,

560
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: one of the themes I think most would say if

561
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: if they get asked a question or just that it

562
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: comes up that their time on the show, good or bad,

563
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, no matter how it went for them, that

564
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: no matter what, the time on the show was therapeutic

565
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: or there was growth within it. And it leads Ashley

566
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: and I we say it now quite often that we

567
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: have this theory that if you go on the show,

568
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: if you want it to be a grown experience. It

569
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: is one of the most forced environments to that I've

570
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: ever been in. That's allowed me to grow as much

571
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: as I did during that time. I would never be

572
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: the man I am today without the show. I a

573
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: great and I can tell you that even if Jared

574
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: wasn't part of the show, that I would in no

575
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: way be married right now because it really just shot

576
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: me into a growth spurt, especially when it came to

577
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: love relationship and racial relationships and vulnerability. Yeah, when you

578
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: ever like actually talking about that stuff that deep exactly

579
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: ever well awkward. I pay somebody to have me talk

580
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: to him about it these days. Um Um been a

581
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: question I always love to ask bachelor's when you're asked

582
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: me the Bachelor, It's exciting, it's fun, right, we just

583
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: said it like it's like why not? And then you

584
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: get there on night one, you get to the mansion

585
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: and you start meeting the people, you know, the founders

586
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: of the show and Chris Harrison, and you start getting prepped.

587
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: If you could flash back to that moment, what what

588
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: what did you feel like standing there knowing that within

589
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: an hour you're gonna be walking out a driveway as

590
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: the Bachelor. Man? Um, that was pretty it was pretty intense,

591
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm I'm a pretty mellow dude. Um,

592
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: and I you know, obviously anxiety is is a is

593
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: a big part of it. Um when you're just I

594
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: think even like in the beginning of like kind of

595
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: clammed up a little bit. You're just it's it's so

596
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: wild and so big because on that night, there's more

597
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: people around than the rest of you know, the production,

598
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: if you will. So there's you know, those cranes and

599
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: cameras rolling around and all this stuff. And you're used

600
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: to being a contestant where it's it's micro. But but

601
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: now you're the guy. Now you're the lead. Now you

602
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: gotta carry this thing. Um. And it was really for me,

603
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: it was about, um, I guess showing some restraint um

604
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: in the beginning just uh it was shot. It was

605
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: my goals were like to show a little bit of

606
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: restraint until I felt comfortable, um, and also make all

607
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: of the women feel as humanly comfortable as possible. That's

608
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: that's the job of the main person. In my honest opinion.

609
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: That's awesome. It's a weird night. That's a weird night,

610
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: and it's a long night. It's such a long Yeah,

611
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: you go from zero to a hundred, and I think

612
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: that's you know, you go from being asked and being

613
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: decided to all of a sudden being in the environment

614
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: and then having like a fourteen hour day as the bachelor,

615
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: knowing that every second your your voice is being recorded,

616
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: even when you're falling asleep within conversations. So I get it.

617
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: And uh, and it's just always intriguing for me to

618
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: hear you know, people like you who step into that

619
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: and how you how you processed it. So who knows,

620
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: maybe a future bachelor's listening right now. Yeah, good luck,

621
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: that's cool. I mean, yeah, maybe Matt is listening. Maybe

622
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: some young boy out there who's like fifteen, and the

623
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: show is going to be around for the next fifty's.

624
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: It's a great show. It's a great production. Like, I

625
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: get it, I don't. I don't think the end. Let's

626
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: talk about Courtney. Um, did she get your first impression Rose?

627
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: Forgive me for not remembering that. No, my first impression

628
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: Rose went to a girl named Lindsay. Lindsay was your

629
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: own up. Um, Lundsy was my runner up. That's correct. Yeah,

630
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: when he rode in on a horse, and Lindsey was

631
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: great and and still is great. We'll chat every now

632
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: again from time to time. Courtney. Um, Courtney was Yeah.

633
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: I mean everyone was beautiful and she she walks. I

634
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: think she was the last one to come out of

635
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: the limo. Courtney was um and she exuded a different

636
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: kind of confidence she had, which I which I really liked. Um.

637
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: She she knew who she was in that moment and

638
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: had clearly had been around cameras, being a model and all.

639
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: So I was naturally drawn to that confidence. Now that

640
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: we're I mean, how many years are we eight, nine

641
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: years or moved? Is there a girl from your bunch

642
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: or a couple of girls that you look back and

643
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: maybe wonder what if or when you think about your

644
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: season they kind of like stand out to you besides

645
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: Lindsay and Courtney. Um, that's a really good question. There

646
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: was I think it was the number the third girl,

647
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: Nikki from Texas, Nicky Sterling. I believe her name is

648
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: um and she she like disappeared from like the face

649
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: of the earth. And I've like, not that I'm like

650
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: in search of Nikki Sterling, but I always wanted to

651
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: reach out to her and be like, like thank you

652
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: for being so sweet and so nice. I just always

653
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, let her know how much like

654
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: I appreciated her being around. Um, but as far as

655
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: being in a ship with with anyone else, um, that's

656
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: too tough to say. Because I was you know, I

657
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: was very much um you know, Courtney was was my

658
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: pick and I was very much okay with that. Well,

659
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: Nicky Sterling, if you're listening, reach out to Ben and

660
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: maybe we'd have another Peter and Kelly situation on our heads. Sorry,

661
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to match me. Uh, Ben, I wanted

662
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: to dig in a little bit to the Courtney relationship

663
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: if you don't mind um it. Obviously, you know, there

664
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: were storylines that came out during the show. Uh. You know,

665
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: we have our iconic benef moments that still flash up

666
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: on screens during you know, Bachelor recaps and especially now

667
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: the Goat is airing. But one of the things that

668
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: you nquecas we were kind of prepping for this is

669
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: your your relationship with Courtney was unique within the Bachelor

670
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: franchise because you were together, you then broke up, but

671
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: then you got back together again, showing that there was

672
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: like a pull towards each other in that season of

673
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: your life. What was going on, you know, it was

674
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: it was it was really hard to kind of stand

675
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: by Courtney and at that time, because when the show

676
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: was airing, it was just it was just mad madness.

677
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: Like obviously it wasn't shown in like a great light

678
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: for her, and I was like, who is this person?

679
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: And I was really confused. So we, um, we called

680
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: it off like while the show was airing, and um,

681
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: we started chatting again. You know, I think I think

682
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: they're like, let's just take a break kind of thing. Um.

683
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: I don't even remember if we broke up a break,

684
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: but we we definitely weren't together, and we started to

685
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: kind of like rekindle and chat again before taping me

686
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: after the in a Rose and things were things were

687
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: pretty good for a while. Actually, um, you know after

688
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: that moment after we reconciled because we had gone through

689
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: this this crazy experience together and you know, there was

690
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: there was love there for sure. Um. But and ultimately

691
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: the end it kind of ran its course. I personally

692
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: never thought that Courtney was nearly as a villainous as

693
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: they put her across, even when I was just a

694
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: fan watching, I was like, I think this is a

695
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: girl who is being silly and sarcastic, and she was

696
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: just having fun in the interview room, and she didn't

697
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: really meet any harm. She was just like trying to

698
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: be entertaining and do you do you feel like that

699
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: is what the case was. But she gave them such

700
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: good content to make it look evil with like music

701
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I totally agree with you. It's

702
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: funny because you know, when your producers reached out to

703
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: me for this thing, like, I haven't watched my season

704
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: and its entirety ever, but I was. And we in

705
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: San Diego with with a buddy and he's like, let's

706
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: let's watch it. We watched the first four episodes and

707
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: I found myself just laughing at Courtney, and I'm like,

708
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: good for you, girl, Like go go for it, you know.

709
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: Um yeah, yeah, as you know, watching those, I'm like,

710
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: all right, I get it. And and she she is

711
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: quite funny and she's and she's quite nice and quite lovely. Um,

712
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: but she she got just she kind of got a

713
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: raw deal when the that that time in your relationship

714
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: that you know, the show and the fans were reacting

715
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: natively to Courtney and you were by her side as

716
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: her fiance at the time and trying to make a

717
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: relationship work. How difficult was it to stand by her.

718
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously it ended it, but was it

719
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: just it was it tearing you up to and why

720
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: did it ultimately decide to to say goodbye for a bit? Yeah,

721
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: you know it was It was hard for me because

722
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: I felt like I always had had like a good

723
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: vibe and people you know, respected respected me, and so

724
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: you know, standing by this this villain was was really

725
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: hard for me. And you know, you know, all honesty,

726
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: I probably just kind of chickened out a little bit.

727
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I just I can't. I can't deal

728
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: with this. I'm not I'm not used to this. Um.

729
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: And I was on I was on the road a lot.

730
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: I was like doing a ton of you know, appearances

731
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: and like bottle signings for my wines all over the

732
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: country and so like people were constantly coming up to

733
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: me and I'm you know, asking me to sign these

734
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: like US Weekly magazines that were like just not nice,

735
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is brutal, man, Like, that's

736
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: kind of why I disappeared from the whole franchise. I

737
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: was like, I don't, I don't know if I can

738
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: handle the negativity. Um. And sometimes I think about that

739
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: if that was a mistake or not, because there are

740
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, really really nice people that

741
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: have come out of this franchise. Um, I'm just you know,

742
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: one of the old old souls. Can you can you

743
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: speak about your confusion? Like you're with the girl who

744
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: seems super lovely and that you you love, and then

745
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: on the TV she's coming across totally different. How did

746
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: you figure out which one was the real her? Yeah?

747
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: That that was hard too. I think I think for me,

748
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: I was frustrated because I was like, like, how could

749
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: you be so stupid? Like this is a TV show?

750
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: Like how don't you watched this before? Like why wouldn't

751
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: you have acted differently? That kind of thing. So for me,

752
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: I think it was more like a disappointment. Um, that's

753
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: what it was. How was she handling it in? Um? Not? Well?

754
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: It was rough on her, man, she got she got

755
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: um heat from everywhere. It was And you know, for

756
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: for me to be who I've been in a relationship

757
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: with that person, you know, I'm sure she expected me

758
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: to you know, stand by her side, and I didn't. Um,

759
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: And so that's you know, that's how me. I remember

760
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: being in the interview room a couple of times myself

761
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: and just being in a sassy mood and thinking I'm

762
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: gonna I'm channeling Courtney. I'm gonna like eat this freaking rose.

763
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna twirl it around and be super obnoxious and

764
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: say obnoxious things. And it never was a good idea.

765
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: All right, yeah are you? Are you guys communicated all today?

766
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean there's some big updates in Courtney's life. Do

767
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: you guys keep in touch? Yeah? We you know, she

768
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: she wrote this book a number of years ago, and

769
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: like we didn't speak for five plus years after that

770
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: thing because there was you know, that's one story and

771
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty not cool. Um, we reconciled a few years

772
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: ago and um we actually ended up um meeting up

773
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: over New Year's for a few days in Santa Barbara

774
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: just to see if, like, hey, is there, like you know,

775
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: we went through this thing together, is like, is there

776
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: anything there now that we've like buried the patchet? And

777
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: I think we both decided that, like, you know, there wasn't,

778
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: but there's there's still mutual respect. I'm I congratulated her

779
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: on her baby. She still talks to my sister a lot,

780
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: and they're still very close. So there's you know there's

781
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: no ill will or hard feelings. I'm really happy for

782
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: her and and her new baby and and um fiance

783
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: whatever he is. Um. Her book is probably the most

784
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: delicious bachelor book there is. I talk about how it

785
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: helps me with casting a lot because she goes into

786
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty there. What was it about the book

787
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: that really irked you? So? I never read it, but

788
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: I remember just hearing like bits and pieces. Um. The

789
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: part that irked me is that, like she talked about

790
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: my mom, which I didn't think it was very cool. Um.

791
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: Outside of that, you know, everything else was if you

792
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: most of the mom doesn't really matter. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Mom.

793
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: It's fine you can talk about me like I've been

794
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: in the public eye. Like I get it, But moms

795
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: are off limits. Man, mm hmmm, sure are the U.

796
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: I know our fans before we move on here, I

797
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: know every listening UH is going to freak out if

798
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: we don't if if if one of us isn't asked

799
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: this question. So one of the most iconic moments in

800
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: your season is the ocean scene where you skinny dipped

801
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: into the ocean. Um, how in the world? And so

802
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: this is because I've now done this. How in the

803
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: world as a man who is reserved like yourself, who

804
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: is a little anxious about this experience, how do you

805
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: get to a mindset We're like, screw it, I'm gonna

806
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: naked on national TV and I'm going to the ocean.

807
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if you were on a beach in Puerto

808
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: Rico and some babe asked you to go skinny dipping,

809
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't you do the same thing. That's kind of like

810
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of a no brainer. Was that the thought process? Like, hey,

811
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: come on, yeah, I mean, go for it, man, Like

812
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Um, it's

813
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: funny that I forgot about the skinny to being a

814
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: portion of it. But I think there was like an

815
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: uncensored cut to you could like see our butts and

816
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: stuff way back. Question was it just a sexy time

817
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: or was it sexy time? I'll leave that up to

818
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: the imagination, but you know, you're it's a question for

819
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: a long time. Configure figure that one out. That's why

820
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: nobody's forgotten about it. Nobody's forgotten about that, but you

821
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: might have forgot about it. Nobody else has. That's good

822
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: to know after you, after you after you and Courtney

823
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: broke up, but Courtney found comfort in the arms of

824
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: another Bachelor Ari lion Dyke. Was that weird seeing her

825
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: date somebody else from the franchise? Quickly? Yeah? I was

826
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: that was That was tough because we were buds um

827
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: for for a moment there. Um, But they you know,

828
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: they lived in the same area and they were probably

829
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: probably had gone through similar experiences. You know, it's all

830
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: water under the bridge, But I do remember that being

831
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: being kind of difficult at the time. It would be yeah,

832
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: it would be, it would it would really hurt uh

833
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: to see that, especially within the franchise. Um, Ben. We

834
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: actually always has this fun game at the very end

835
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: of the podcast of these in depths where we just

836
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: rapid firely ask you questions. But before we getting the that,

837
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: we I, do you really want to hear where you're

838
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: at today? Uh? We we last saw you on The Bachelor.

839
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: We know you how that story ended. Are you dating now? Um?

840
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: Are you pursuing anybody? Uh? Yeah, you know, dating is

841
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: a little tough when you're doing an eat, pray love thing. Um. Yeah,

842
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: there's a you know, there's there's no one in particular

843
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: that that Um, I'm dating at the momentum again, like

844
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm open to it, um, but you know, for now,

845
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: I think it's more about just kind of re centering

846
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: and finding my myself again and like figuring out a

847
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: good place for me to be in so that someone

848
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: can fit nicely into my life. Um. I think that's

849
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: probably probably the right answer there. But now, still single man,

850
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: just you know, still yeah, yeah, hey, it's it's a

851
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: it's a wild world and I'm sure life is going

852
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: to take you in a great direction here, especially with

853
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: the intention that you're putting to it. And last time

854
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: I saw a headline from benef which wasn't that long ago,

855
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: I feel is there there was a rumor being spread

856
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: that you were seeing Chris Jenner. Um. To be honest

857
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: about it, like I remember, there was just so much

858
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: rumor around it, but we never really got an answer.

859
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone really got an answer. It's interesting

860
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: that the old Christian Jenner. It is. So I did

861
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: Chris talk show, um whatever you know, you're rafter or

862
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and remember she was like, yeah, if

863
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: you're ever in the area, like let me know, um,

864
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: when we grabbed dinner or something like that, and I

865
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: was like great. So I took her phone number and

866
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: I ended up uh calling her or texting or something.

867
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm in the area whatever the house,

868
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: like I met the whole family, met Kanye. Um, oh

869
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: my god. It was crazy. And I remember I remembered

870
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: in the afternoon and like they had the little baby.

871
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: North was just like in a little Bastoneta on the

872
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: you know, the island in there and everyone's hanging out,

873
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: like these people are really nice and it's great. Um.

874
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: Chris Jenner and I never never dated by any means.

875
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: I was working on a tech product that I thought

876
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: could be beneficial to like their brands and things like that.

877
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: So we had, you know, in a few business dinners.

878
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: My business partner was at, you know, half of them, Um.

879
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: But I have nothing but respect for that family and

880
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: like the amount of attention they have to go through

881
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: compared to what we do, and how they handle it,

882
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: and how nice they were to me for just you know,

883
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: intruding in their in their life for a few weeks.

884
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: Um was was really they were really lovely. I do

885
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: love the fact that when people who have actually had

886
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: like nice have had real encounters with the Kardashians, like

887
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: gone over to their house and stuff. They always say

888
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: that they were like so lovely and so warm and

889
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: down to earth, and I love hearing that because obviously

890
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: they're one of my favorite public families. Um, you may

891
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: have not dated Chris, but did you ever kiss her? No, Chris,

892
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: And that's fine. But you know, they asked a question. Okay,

893
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: I knew you were I knew you were thinking it.

894
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: Actually I knew in your head. You're like, I just

895
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: want to get as much information on the Kardashians right

896
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: now as possible, but I have to ask those questions,

897
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: especially since there was an episode of The Kardashians where

898
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: she went up to Ben's winery and she like hung

899
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: out for the weekend. Tell us about that experience. Came

900
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: up with Jonathan. They were up there for a Kanye concert,

901
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: so they came up and like filmed at my winery.

902
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: And I haven't thought about this in so long. This

903
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: is actually a really great story. And so after we

904
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: were shooting, You're like, do you want to come to

905
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: the Kanye show, which was in Pokland, And I was like, hell, yes,

906
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: I do, do see Kanye. And we had obviously, you know,

907
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: the best seats in the house and I'm backstage and

908
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: Kanye comes off and I met him, you know, a

909
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: couple of weeks prior, and he turns to me and

910
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: he goes, what do you think of the show? I

911
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: was like, what do you care? Like? Ye, it was great, man,

912
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: that's so cool. That was pretty cool knowing him as

913
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: little as you do, Like, is it sad to see

914
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: just the way that he's had this sort of like

915
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: you know, momentum publicly. Yeah, and you know, I don't

916
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: I don't know the whole the whole story or anything,

917
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: but at any time, like anyone's dealing with mental health

918
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: issues and stuff, it's not cool to not cool to

919
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: poke fun. Um, That's what I'm assuming is is probably

920
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: going on. Especially nice they all were to me. Um.

921
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: I hope that they managed to navigate the situation. According

922
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: Ben f the best critic that Kanye has ever asked for. Yeah,

923
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: that's so good man. Um, Ben, we really appreciate your

924
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 1: time with us. It's not quite time to say goodbody yet, though.

925
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna take one last break and when we come back,

926
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: Ashley is going to do what she does. She has

927
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: a lot of things best and well, but this is

928
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: like one of my favorite moments of every end. We'll

929
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: be back with Ben f and Ashley uh Will will

930
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: host the Rapid Fire around Um during this in depth

931
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: almost famous podcast. We're back. I'm so excited for this

932
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: rapid Fire because I feel like you have given me

933
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: so much too um to work off of in this interview.

934
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be very personal to you. Are you

935
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: ready in this eat prey love journey that you're on.

936
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: What are you eating that fills your soul? Pizza? Lots

937
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: of pizza, pizza because it's the best thing on the road. Pizza. Okay, amazing.

938
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: Is there a certain spot that people should go in

939
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: Texas or in San Francisco? I must um, my favorite

940
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: b area pizza is probably Pizza Hacker. It's in San Francisco,

941
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: d in Marin tho enough. I have to ask the

942
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: Kardashian that you would most like to take on a

943
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: date if she were single or in another lifetime. Um,

944
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: probably Kim because she was the nicest to me, She

945
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: was the most welcoming. Yeah, okay, cool, oh my Kim. Um.

946
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: You tweeted recently that you love Taylor Swift. You said,

947
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: quote Taylor Swift, You're the best. So what's your favorite

948
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: song on folklore? Um, boy, she's I've had a thing

949
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: for her even when she was doing that early country stuff.

950
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: The one probably my favorite. It's just she's just great,

951
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: the whole the whole album's great. Is that safe to say?

952
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 1: It's safe to say that Taylor Swift is your celebrity crush. Um? Yeah,

953
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: her and Kristen Wigg because Christen Wiggs hilarious and okay,

954
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: m that's a good duo. That would be a really

955
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: fun triple date. Right, let's go too on one with

956
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: christ and Wig and Taylor Swift. Wow, that would be amazing. Ok,

957
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: let me let me know if you can pull it

958
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: out one off please. You're single? So what is your

959
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: most like your must have quality in a lady? Um,

960
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: independence is probably numero uno. Um. I like, I like

961
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: a woman that I can like take to a you know,

962
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: galla or a party or something like that and you

963
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: can do their own thing for fifteen minutes to come

964
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: back and just like feel as comfortable as when I

965
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: left her. How do you date? Are you on the apps? Um?

966
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm not on the apps? I UM. I've done a

967
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: little bit of like the Instagram sliding and d m

968
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: ng every once in a while. That seems to be

969
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: like a decent channel. Ben is a big fan of that.

970
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: I met my fiance on that. I just messenged her

971
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I think you're pretty, and hey look

972
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: at us. Now that's all the thanks. Hey you're pretty. Okay,

973
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: you led into this question bachelor girl, who you'd most

974
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: like to have noticed in her d m oh gosh, Like, okay, bachelor,

975
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 1: you slide into your DA or that you wish would

976
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: show up in your inbox? There you go, it's probably

977
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: Jojo Fletcher. You guys, were you knew? You know Jojo right?

978
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: Like you had some like brotherly connection or something with

979
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: her brothers. I don't think so. No, okay, okay, it's

980
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: not me. But I almost thought about like recasting again

981
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: when I found out she was the bachelorette. M hmm,

982
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: I would have been. That would have been a shocker,

983
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: fantastic story right there. That's amazing. We all love Joe Joe. Okay,

984
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: what is your favorite wine to drink personally when you

985
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: know you are praying and loving? Um? I shard so hard.

986
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: Chardonay French chardonnay is my favorite. UM and short Ashley,

987
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm more of a red wine girl. But I like

988
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: the expression my mom's shard's real hard. I'm telling you,

989
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: if you want a team up, I recently bought that

990
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: domain and I'm figuring out what to do with shards

991
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: so hard, I'll join in. French chard burgundies and ChIL

992
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: those are my favorite. Okay? Cool? And lastly, what is

993
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 1: the wine that you serve as an at home date

994
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: or you know, order on the menu for a lady

995
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: in yourself. I'm a white wine kind of dude. Um,

996
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, Samaniel Blanco Chardonnay, or I'm like Millans Muscade

997
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: something like that. So it's just like lower alcohol, easy

998
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: to drink, um and drink white wine like a middle

999
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: aged woman. It's kind of myne. We gotta get to

1000
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: on the Housewives next. Now that's a reality show that

1001
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: Ben Flynn a goold excel on you. I'll just like

1002
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: show up shirtless delivering bottles of chardonnay. I would watch it. Uh, hey, Ben,

1003
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: you're the man. I really appreciate you. Thank you for

1004
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: coming on. We end every in depth with this. If

1005
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: you have thirty seconds to talk to the listeners, uh,

1006
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: with anything going on in your life that you just

1007
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: like to leave them with or anything you'd like to

1008
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: promote and talk about. The stage is yours, uh starting now?

1009
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean obviously I'm still making I'm still

1010
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: making Rose, So if you want to, if you want

1011
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: to buy any rose, it's it's I on dot wine,

1012
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: not dot com dot wine. But more importantly, I think

1013
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: that you know, given the climate, in the situation of

1014
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: what's going on in the world today, like big deep, um,

1015
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: listen to yourself, you know, try to try to take

1016
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: some time and if if you can't do any play

1017
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: love at least, um, you know, find a few days

1018
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: to kind of reset because it's crazy, man. I just

1019
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know where this is

1020
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: gonna what the world's gonna look like at the end

1021
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: of it. But I just hope that everyone's um, you know,

1022
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: mentally sane and happy. So surround yourself with with loved

1023
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: ones and support each other. That's really the big message

1024
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking for these days. The original Bachelor, Ben,

1025
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: we appreciate you, Buddy Thinks for coming on. Hey, we

1026
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: mentioned at the beginning you might seat in the show notes.

1027
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: Don't forget that today's episode is two bachelors for the

1028
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: price of one. Up next, Jake Pavelka Yes, Jake Pelca,

1029
00:58:46,560 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: the original pilot Bachelor from Dallas to exist. He was

1030
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: known as the very first Bachelor who was a pilot.

1031
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: He was originally a contestant on The Bachelorette Jillian Harris's

1032
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: season and was brought back soon after to star as

1033
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: the Bachelor. Jake Pavelco Welcome to the Almost Famous In

1034
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: Depth Podcast. Thanks Ben, I appreciate it, man, It's good

1035
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: to be here. How are you. We're doing really well.

1036
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: We're doing great, Ashley and I are excited to talk

1037
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: to you today. This is a special in depth where

1038
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna actually have two former Bachelor's in one episode.

1039
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: Uh hey, Jake, to get us started here, UM, I

1040
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: know right now you're working, and so there's gonna be

1041
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: a little background noise where exactly you are are you

1042
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: at in the world? Well, Uh so, as you know, Um,

1043
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: I left the airline industry. I no longer fly anymore

1044
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: the airlines very unfortunately because of COVID pandemic. I'm hearing

1045
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: some very very deep furloughs. I think I've heard almost

1046
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: pilots across the board at all the major airlines. So

1047
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: I left the airline and I opened up an environmental

1048
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: business here in Dallas Fort Worth and it has been

1049
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: just we're in full explosive growth mode. Has been amazing, amazing. Yeah,

1050
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: when did you uh make that decision? So I officially,

1051
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: I guess I my I've completed my seventeenth year at

1052
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: the airline in and left there pretty recently. Yeah, I

1053
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: missed flying, But I'll tell you what, owning a business

1054
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: I know, as you know, Ben, you know it's owning

1055
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: a business is just amazing. It's the hardest thing I've

1056
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: ever done. But it's the coolest thing I've ever absolute.

1057
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: It is a I guess the pursuit worth going down.

1058
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: I always tell anybody to do it. I don't think

1059
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: it's easy. Uh, And in fact, I just said it

1060
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: the other day. I said, the one thing about having

1061
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: your own business and starting a business is you never

1062
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: feel fully capable of doing it. Um. Yes, you always

1063
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: feel a little bit behind. But hey, you know what,

1064
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: for now, let's start back at the beginning where people

1065
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: that listen to this podcast, uh, they'll remember you from

1066
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: you grew up in Texas and started taking flying lessons

1067
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: at a young age. What exactly what got you into flying.

1068
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: So I just always been. I used to have dreams

1069
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: that I could fly, and so I always knew i'd

1070
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: be involved in aviation in some capacity. I didn't realize

1071
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: it would turn into a career, but so I just

1072
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: started taking flying lessons when I was ten. I'd go

1073
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: mow yards and then go buy thirty minutes, and go

1074
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: mow more yards and go buy thirty more minutes, and

1075
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: just turned into enough flight time to actually work for

1076
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: a company called Mayor Flight out of Burbank. It was

1077
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: my first job. And I remember thirty five millimeter film

1078
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 1: that you put in the cameras. I used to fly

1079
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: undeveloped thirty five mill millimeter Fuji film up and down

1080
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: the West Coast in the middle of the night. So

1081
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: I'd go from Burbank up to Oakland, down to Vegas

1082
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: back to Burbank. Interesting, and now, how did the Bachelor

1083
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: get ahold of you? Do you apply? Or? Good question?

1084
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: My church nominated me. So the pastors of the church

1085
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: came up and said, hey, if we nominated just a

1086
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: pretty cool show, would you wanna would you be interested

1087
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: in that? And I was like, oh, of course, but

1088
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a celebrity. And I'm not royalty

1089
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Why would they be interested in me?

1090
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: And sure enough, I still kind of crazy that all

1091
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: that happened. What do you think it was about you?

1092
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: That you're pastor the church saw they were like, this

1093
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: is a guy that I want to sign up for

1094
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: the show, because that that is probably, especially back then,

1095
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: a big step for any of those people to take

1096
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: in your life to say I want to sign you

1097
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: up for this dating show, especially in the church. Yeah, out, yeah,

1098
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: I told him. I told him that I knew you've

1099
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: been and they're like, oh, yeah, you you gotta, you

1100
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: gotta do it. Yeah. I was a cool high school

1101
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: kid back then. Yeah, I was the nerd back in

1102
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: high school at that point. No, So what they were

1103
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: what they were hoping was, you know, I grew up

1104
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: in the church Christian and they they're like, you know,

1105
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: we know that you're not gonna go sleep with all

1106
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: of the all of the women. You know, you'll you'll

1107
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: you'll be a gentleman. And you know I went on

1108
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: there and tried my absolute best. Do you feel like

1109
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: you made the church proud? Yes? But you know what's

1110
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: crazy though, So it doesn't matter what you do on

1111
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: the you know, during the fantasy suite, whether you intend

1112
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: to have sex or not, it doesn't matter the way

1113
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: the show is produced, you know, it's like the doors

1114
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: closing really slow and then a hand reaches around and

1115
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: puts the do not disturb, So it's completely insinuated no

1116
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: matter what you do. Oh, I know all about that. Yeah,

1117
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: I said my couch and enjoyed watching you, Ashley. That

1118
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,919
Speaker 1: was you did a good job. It was fun. Thank

1119
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: you very much. Well. They aired Allie season last week,

1120
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: and of course Ali is one of your top four girls.

1121
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: How does it feel just like watching people from your

1122
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: season move on and just like how they you know,

1123
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: form families of their own and just like it all

1124
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: started with you. Oh that's great. Um, you know, I

1125
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: haven't talked to Ali. There's several of the several of

1126
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,479
Speaker 1: the women that I've kept in touch with over the years,

1127
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 1: you know, and they're married now have kids, and it's

1128
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: really cool to see, you know, just see their lives

1129
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: progress and everything. Yeah, that's interesting. I was wondering why

1130
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: my Instagram blew up last week. Yeah, it's probably, I mean, honestly,

1131
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: it's it is. It's probably because these women who are

1132
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: definitely a part of your story. Are now back on

1133
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: the television for these got you know kind of reunion

1134
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: re recap shows. One of the purposes of the In

1135
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: Depth podcast is to is to go be on the

1136
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: show and to go into the lives of the people

1137
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: that have participated in it. And Gia was some somebody

1138
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: that we sadly lost. Um and uh, can you just

1139
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: spend a little bit of time, Jake, and for anybody

1140
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: out there that maybe didn't get to watch the season

1141
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: and didn't get to know her personally? What kind of

1142
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: person was she? Oh? She was. She had a thing

1143
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: for athletes, that was that was her vice right there.

1144
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: She loved dating professional athletes. And but golly, I remember

1145
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: when she got out of that limousine. She was so

1146
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: dropped dead beautiful. Her personality matched it. I mean she

1147
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: just glided over to me. Um. I knew that just

1148
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: the way she addressed me that night. I'm going wow.

1149
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if your personality is just half of you,

1150
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: know how beautiful you are. And turned out she was

1151
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: just the whole package. Um. It's funny. I remember we

1152
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: were in St. Lucia during this season and we were

1153
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: sitting on the beach and you know, I really wanted

1154
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: it to be her, but I could tell that we

1155
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: just maybe we're looking for different things in life. Um

1156
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: and uh that it probably long term wasn't gonna work.

1157
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 1: And what he did is it turned into a really

1158
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: good friendship afterwards. She was somebody that I can fight

1159
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: it in and she had been you know, through that

1160
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: journey with me. So it was like when someth would

1161
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: go go wrong or go right, you know, we would

1162
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, staying pretty close contract contact. We did the Bachelor,

1163
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: Bachelor Pad the second season and the Bachelor Pad together.

1164
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: That was a that was a blast. So that was

1165
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: actually the first person I was really close with that

1166
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,479
Speaker 1: I lost in life and so that was a really

1167
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: that was a tough time. Geeus. Passing is so so sad. Um.

1168
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: I want to move on to just where you are

1169
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: in life today. Have you had a serious girlfriend since

1170
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: the show? Know, you left with we all we all

1171
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: know you love with Vienna and it was very uh dramatic,

1172
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: did not end well? Did that like preventing you from

1173
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: getting into, um, another relationship soon after? No? Um, I've

1174
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: actually dated some really amazing women after the Bachelor. I've

1175
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: been in a relationship for We've kind of been on

1176
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: and off for about two years. She was going through

1177
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: law school at s m U and so really hard

1178
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: to spend time together. So it was like we were

1179
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: on for a little while, then we were off while

1180
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: she was going through school. Now she's barred and has

1181
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: a has a job, and so that's looking pretty good.

1182
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: So I'm currently in a serious relationship. Her name is Tiffany.

1183
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: I think I think I remember this, Jake, you kind

1184
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: of talking about it once we were in Vegas, that

1185
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: you had something that actually just at Tiffany then ye.

1186
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: So I mean, because you've dated for two years, you've

1187
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: had some good relationships after your time with the Bachelor, which,

1188
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: as we know, didn't work for you, as it doesn't

1189
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: for for many people that go on the show, but

1190
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: you gave it a good shot. Were you ever asked

1191
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: to be the Bachelor again? Was I ever asked to

1192
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: be the bag like a second time? No, never asked

1193
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: to be again. So I mean, because it's interesting, you

1194
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: know you if we look back and you weren't asked

1195
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 1: to be the Bachelor again, but you're still considered one

1196
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: of those Bachelor's that stand out to people. What what

1197
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: do you think made you a Great Bachelor, So it

1198
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: kind of seemed like the franchise was I know, at

1199
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: that time, the franchise, I don't say, I know, I

1200
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: don't believe the franchise was doing real well. Um. I

1201
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: think what they did, what Mike Flice did was was brilliant.

1202
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: Rather than bringing really well known people in, I think

1203
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: he started, you know, one, recycling people that already went

1204
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 1: through the Bachelorette or The Bachelor having them back. So

1205
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: I think that was a really good move on their part.

1206
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: And I was just a normal I you know, somebody

1207
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: that you know, the pilot uniform on and go move

1208
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,520
Speaker 1: people around the United States kind of like Pete does. Um,

1209
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, just very normal people. I tried to be

1210
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: very relatable. I was myself. I tried really hard to

1211
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: treat you know, the women with the utmost respect that

1212
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: they deserve. And you know, I not to mention, one

1213
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: of the women on my season slept with the producer,

1214
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: so that helped with the ratings I think a little bit.

1215
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, can we talk about that. I remember

1216
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: that that's a big deal. What was her name? She

1217
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: had a religtionship with the producer, like up partly a

1218
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: cast producer yeah, that was not produced. I remember them

1219
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: talking by Jake. You're not gonna believe. This guy's name

1220
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: was Ryan. I don't remember his last name, but he

1221
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: was one of the field producers that came in to

1222
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: do my hometown package. So he liked shot all those

1223
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: flying scenes and with the planes. But yeah, I mean,

1224
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: I guess they wound up hitting it off when he

1225
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: was doing uh when he was producing the house and

1226
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,440
Speaker 1: everything and got real close, wound up being a storyline.

1227
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: Are they still together? Do we know this? Do we

1228
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: know if there's like, did anything ever happen? I don't

1229
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: think so. But she was worth losing his job over.

1230
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure he got fired, right he did, Yeah, he did,

1231
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: and they put it all, they aired it all. It

1232
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: was really surprised. You not watch the show that you produced.

1233
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: See what happens when you do that? How did you So?

1234
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: One of the producers told me, I knew you know

1235
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: what it was. Cassie, my my producer on there, she said, hey,

1236
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: look something's going on with Rosalind and one of the producers.

1237
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: She said, you can you can probably figure out what

1238
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: it is. Chris is gonna come in and like fully

1239
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: disclose what it is. But she's probably gonna be leaving,

1240
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: so you know, make sure that you're you know, you know,

1241
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 1: in a frame of mind to have a series conversation

1242
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: with you. It's like, I know exactly what's going on.

1243
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: It was the second episode. We weren't deep enough into it,

1244
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of like, hey, if that's

1245
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: how you're gonna operate here, goodbye. The thing is, I'm

1246
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: actually surprised it hasn't happened more often, because you do

1247
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: get so close and intimate with the producers and like

1248
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: they are the people that you are like connecting with

1249
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: and like sharing your soul with, and the Bachelor just

1250
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: seems like so far off um and like on a pedestal.

1251
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not completely surprised that this has

1252
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 1: happened or but I'm surprised that it hasn't happened more.

1253
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: There was girls on my season where we would talk

1254
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: about kind of like maybe not the full blown crushes

1255
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: we had, but feeling a little something and something for

1256
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: a producer or too. That's because they you know, those

1257
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: in the moment interviews, you know they're asking, well, Ashley,

1258
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: when he when he said that to you, how did

1259
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: that make you feel and like if I was him,

1260
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: what would you say? Right? And then there's just like that, um,

1261
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: they they have so much emotion toward you, and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know. It seems like they're feeling the

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Speaker 1: exact same feeling that you are. Oh God, you brought

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Speaker 1: up a really good point. If to do it all

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Speaker 1: over again, I would try to have a very like

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Speaker 1: a very basic season, like we don't need to go

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Speaker 1: to you know, Indonesia or Bali. I mean, all that's great, Australia,

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Speaker 1: things like that, Let's let's stay local, let's go to

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Speaker 1: the Caribbean, and don't put me on a pedestal, don't

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Speaker 1: make me out to be a celebrity. Let let me

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Speaker 1: just be me. So that you know, the women aren't

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Speaker 1: looking up going oh my gosh, it should be Oh

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Speaker 1: that's Jake, easy to talk to, easy to approach, you know,

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Speaker 1: I could tell him anything. And I felt that way

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Speaker 1: with Jillian, and it was like, oh my gosh, here

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: comes to Bachelorette, you know, because they elevate you up

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Speaker 1: a little bit and it does this psychological mind game

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Speaker 1: when you're one of the contenders. Well, but you know,

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Speaker 1: with all that being said, too I I totally agree

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Speaker 1: with you. But since you were the Bachelor, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have worked on some projects that have definitely kind

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Speaker 1: of lifted you up to be one of those celebrities.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we go back at your resume here,

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Speaker 1: you've done Dance with the Stars, you did Bachelor Pad,

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01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: you're on The Bold and the Beautiful, and you've appeared

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Speaker 1: on some other TV shows. So I mean from the Bachelor,

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Speaker 1: you really have kind of created your own celebrity. I

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Speaker 1: guess that I've never felt that way, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that you know, I

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Speaker 1: want to like just tell both of you. It's like,

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Speaker 1: it's so cool, you know. I mean, everybody in America

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01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 1: knows who you both aren't, but you don't act any different.

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01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just very genuine on your Twitter feeds,

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01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: in your your Instagram and everything. I think that's one

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Speaker 1: of your best qualities. I've tried to do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just Jake. I'm not you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a celebrity. I'm not any better, I'm not any

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Speaker 1: worse than anybody. It's just gay. Yeah. Well, and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. Man. It is something that that Ashley and

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Speaker 1: I try to do we we we really try to

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Speaker 1: lean on each other, especially through the podcast and kind

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Speaker 1: of the people listening. Just keeping level heads. Uh, never

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Speaker 1: let it get too high or too low. Uh, keep

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Speaker 1: your star up, keep your star up. Well, we got

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Speaker 1: to and and stars are aligning right now for yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly as so many tons, so many funds. And and

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Speaker 1: one of our good friends, Caitlin Bristow. Obviously we found

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Speaker 1: out and I go episode a few weeks ago that

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Speaker 1: she's gonna be on Dance with the Stars in the

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Speaker 1: next upcoming season. Whenever that can happen. Uh, you've done

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Speaker 1: Dance with the Stars. Any advice for Caitlin? You know what,

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Speaker 1: I've never met, kayten Caitlin. I I just hear the

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Speaker 1: greatest things about her. Um, I'm gonna try to go

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Speaker 1: to one of the shows that she's on if they

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Speaker 1: have a if they have a live audience. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: honestly think she's gonna do real well. Um. Same, Just

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Speaker 1: just spend the time you need with your coach and

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Speaker 1: listen to your coach or listen to your listen to

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Speaker 1: your pro How challenging was it? Like? How exhausting I

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Speaker 1: can't dance I always I had to practice ten hours

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Speaker 1: a day. I think it wore Chelsea and my partner out.

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Speaker 1: Tony is, you know, a good friend of Ben and mine,

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Speaker 1: and she was your runner up, and she is now

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Speaker 1: happily married and I think her her babies do within

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Speaker 1: the next two months. I'd say, how does it feel

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Speaker 1: seeing her um in mommy mode? That I think that's

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Speaker 1: like she is built to be a mother. So I

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Speaker 1: couldn't be happier for And you know the crazy things.

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Speaker 1: Ten years later, she looks exactly the same, just striking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Tinley's one of those. Tinley is one of a kind.

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Speaker 1: She's a really special, special human. She's a great friend

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Speaker 1: of the podcast, a good friend of ours. It's somebody

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Speaker 1: that we've all been really rooting for and we're just

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Speaker 1: super engaging. I know, Ashley and I just really think

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Speaker 1: highly of her. Yeah. I was hoping that eventually Tindley

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Speaker 1: would wind up on Dancing with the Stars. I can

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Speaker 1: see her doing really well on that. Yeah, she would

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Speaker 1: take the Mirrorball trophy. Yeah, for sure. She has such

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Speaker 1: a dancer's body. Mm hmm. All right, well, Jake, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Um it means a

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Speaker 1: lot that you took at the half an hour out

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Speaker 1: of your day. Thank you. I'm sorry. I was so

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Speaker 1: rushed it was hard to put this together, so I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the latitude problem. Hey Ben, I always like to ask,

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Speaker 1: and I want to extend the same bit. Is there

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Speaker 1: anything that I can do for you? Do you need?

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01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: What can I do to help with your your company?

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Speaker 1: That's really nice, man, that's really nice to you right now.

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Speaker 1: Uh you could, uh, you know, if you like coffee,

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01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: just jump online and buy a bag of coffee. That

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Speaker 1: would help. I'd love to see your name come across.

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Speaker 1: I'll do it. What about you, Ashley? You know when

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Speaker 1: you have a kid, you can buy our children's book,

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Speaker 1: Lucy and Clark. I'll buy. I'll buy ten copies, okay

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Speaker 1: if you have a Niezer nephew. Yes, of course, Lucy

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Speaker 1: and Clark, a Story of Puppy Love. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Hey, Jake Pavlican, thanks a lot for

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Speaker 1: joining us, Buddy, appreciate it. Thanks guys. Follow the Benn

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Speaker 1: and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.