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Speaker 2: And we are back with another happy hour. Yes, we're

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Speaker 2: still in limbo. We haven't started our Sex and the

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Speaker 2: season three, and honestly, there's a lot of talk about

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Speaker 2: and just like that. So I'm wondering if we need

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Speaker 2: I feel like we need to do season three first

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Speaker 3: Maybe yes, I think okay, because I got a lot

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Speaker 2: Feel like we need to introduce that certain character before

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Speaker 2: right now we're just in a bit of a limbo

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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of stuff happening. As you know,

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Speaker 2: you don't know, Annie's been preparing all year for this,

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Speaker 2: so it's a thing. It's a thing. And then my

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Speaker 2: today coming back with a happy hour with I've decided

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Speaker 4: Things do change.

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Speaker 2: Who knows, maybe someone loves us to give us drinks.

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Speaker 2: with all those things in place, Annie, what are you drinking?

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Speaker 3: Some concoction that my friend I my last wine I

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Speaker 2: that one too. Like there's so many things like it

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Speaker 2: wasn't a chapter though.

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Speaker 3: For sure, And to be fair to the second mention,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't tell if it was like a positive or

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Speaker 3: negative thing, but they did ask.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that brought that got brought up again reproduct. The

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Speaker 2: price wasn't brought up at all. I'm the one who

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Speaker 2: brought it up a couple of times. Like and you

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Speaker 2: talk about why I was like the chapter. I'm excited

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Speaker 2: about why these chapters are different and why we need

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Speaker 2: to talk about it. But like, yeah, they stuck to

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Speaker 2: one except trying to get to gotcha, which was odd.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know we talked about this and the feminists

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Speaker 3: around the world but it was I get it, but

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Speaker 3: it was interesting how many people were like, you know,

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Speaker 3: feminism is a bad word, write that, and like, oh well,

447
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Speaker 3: let me go over it. But it's just it just

448
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Speaker 3: felt like this is the annoying thing about having a

449
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Speaker 3: book like this, right, we can't just it has to

450
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Speaker 3: be everyone's being careful about it everyone or trying to

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Speaker 3: get a gotcha from it or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Just again, as we talked about like every time people

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Speaker 2: have a turn in their life, again, this was me

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Speaker 2: in college and being told what a feminis is and

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Speaker 2: person saying they're not a feminist. And this was two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one, two thousand and two, so twenty something

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Speaker 2: years ago, twenty two years ago, and again we're still

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Speaker 2: having this conversation. And then the one person, one host,

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Speaker 2: who asked us why haven't this should have been we

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Speaker 2: should be so much further down the road, as if

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Speaker 2: it's our fault. And I'm like, bro, you're the one

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Speaker 2: that's from the generation that really held back, So what

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Speaker 2: you tell me?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And I was telling Samantha like we were panicking before this, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I was telling Samantha like all these conversations they've

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Speaker 3: heard on the radio when I lift over to her house,

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Speaker 3: and I was really concerned. And I do want to say,

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Speaker 3: like some of it was really good, Like some of

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Speaker 3: the questions were good, some the conversations were good.

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Speaker 1: It was not all bad. But I just feel like

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Speaker 1: there's so much is that sort.

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Speaker 3: Of yeah, gotcha, you've got to be uh, it's kind

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Speaker 3: of superficial there, right of.

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Speaker 1: Well, what's your book about women? Do this right?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: And then then we couldn't be like, we couldn't enteil

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Speaker 2: everything in trying to help talk about the basis of feminism,

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Speaker 2: which is why we're like, there's a lot that's been

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Speaker 2: happening in the years, and it's constant fights. So what

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Speaker 2: do you want us to break down exactly in threes

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Speaker 2: three minutes? Do you want us to talk about the

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Speaker 2: book or do you talk about feminism? What is it?

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Speaker 1: Mmmmmmm?

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Speaker 2: Because it is one and the same. But again, at

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Speaker 2: least the book is scinct. We could give you exact

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Speaker 2: examples of what we're talking about, like outlets, But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is, Yeah, we have a

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Speaker 2: lot of work to do. We have a lot of conversations,

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Speaker 2: and unfortunately, in these conversations, people have to be ready

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Speaker 2: if not, we get into these cyclical things of like

492
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Speaker 2: but why but no this is bad or the trivial

493
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Speaker 2: misogynistic take on what it is, and it's just, yeah,

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Speaker 2: women won't be out in the kitchen. Okay, that's fine,

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00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 2: go make your money. Be happy to be single. And

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Speaker 2: we were like, yes, we are happy to be single,

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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 1: We gotta ask about like a prince Jarman.

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Speaker 2: Yes when you didn't answer, So he asked us a

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Speaker 2: couple of these questions and included the prince Darving, and

501
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: he didn't answer. So yeah, he turns around and goes, so, Samantha,

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Speaker 2: tell me about this prince Charming. There's nothing about that

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Speaker 2: in the book. And I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 2: we talk about fictional women who are their own heroes.

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Speaker 2: How about that orienta heroes.

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Speaker 1: He was a great answer, this is twice.

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Speaker 2: And you didn't get the answer. So he asked me directly,

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Speaker 2: why you don't want to talk about Prince Darming and

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Speaker 2: I was like, we don't need it. Why do we

510
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Speaker 2: need that.

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Speaker 1: I should have been like, you heard princess.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why. I was like, you know, we talk

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Speaker 2: about women's fictional doctor carrying themselves, and that's what we

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Speaker 2: care about. I think I told him a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of stuff. That's about the Jane collect of doing it all.

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00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: Finally came back to the question. I was like, but

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Speaker 2: then the fictional portion of this is the best we

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Speaker 2: got ourselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess. Also like, I mean, thank you, Samantha.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we really came in when the other

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Speaker 3: was needed.

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Speaker 2: You did.

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Speaker 1: Too.

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Speaker 3: But also, yeah, if you happen to hear any of

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Speaker 3: these things, Uh, we are not media trained. It's just

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Speaker 3: funny to say, because our job is like, but we

527
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Speaker 3: we have a script and uh.

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Speaker 1: It's you and I.

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Speaker 4: Try to get you no.

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Speaker 3: But also yeah, it was very enlightening in a lot

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Speaker 3: of ways about the work that we've got to do.

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Speaker 2: For sure, I think there needs to be want more

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Speaker 2: women in that radio. That's the other part to that.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I agree. I was thinking we should talk about that.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if we could get Amanda from Seattle on

536
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Speaker 2: our show, like when you Talk more.

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Speaker 3: If we offer her a virtual cheeseplate. Kind of did

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Speaker 3: the interview and then maybe well those came into place.

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00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: You gotta sometimes you gotta have a virtual cheeseplate.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Well, thank you for letting me whine about

541
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Speaker 2: what today was. Again, a lot of it was interesting

542
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: and enjoyable to a certain degree, but a lot of

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Speaker 2: it was very telling about what the industry still looks

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Speaker 2: like today.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, and just stressful. We had to get up early,

546
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Speaker 1: so we had to be on.

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Speaker 2: So you were so on. I was so quiet, you

548
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Speaker 2: were so on. It was amazing, y'all. If you do

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Speaker 2: the chance to listen to it, to it. Just hear

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Speaker 2: Annie like her on voice. I was like, well, damn,

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Speaker 2: where did that come from?

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Speaker 1: I was making jokes.

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Speaker 2: She was, aw.

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Speaker 1: That's part of the problem. I'll end it on this.

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Speaker 1: That's part of the problem.

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Speaker 3: That's when you're worried about when you're like making jokes

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Speaker 3: with someone and they say something, you're like, oh no,

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Speaker 3: please don't clip.

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Speaker 1: The direct it sound like friends. Yeah, you know that's

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Speaker 1: we did it.

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Speaker 2: We did it. Look at us, look at us.

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Speaker 1: Go well.

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