WEBVTT - Revenge of "A Good Walk Spoiled" 

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Every writer lives in fear of one thing, that

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<v Speaker 1>what they say won't matter. You toil away in obscurity.

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<v Speaker 1>You scrub your prose until it's shiny and perfect. You

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<v Speaker 1>put your work out for the world to see, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of your mind is always a thought

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<v Speaker 1>that all that effort will sink quietly into the sea,

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<v Speaker 1>like a corpse witted down with concrete shoes. Have I

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<v Speaker 1>had this fear? Oh? Yes, worse. I've seen it happen

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<v Speaker 1>to me again and again. It was a time in

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<v Speaker 1>my life when I was obsessed with the relative age effect,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote about it, did episodes about it on this very podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at a room full of third graders or

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<v Speaker 1>fifth graders and you say, Tommy is a poor student,

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<v Speaker 1>Alice is a good one. But what if Alice was

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<v Speaker 1>born in January and Tommy was born in December, And

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<v Speaker 1>what looks like superior ability on Alice's part is actually

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<v Speaker 1>just the fact that she's a year older than Tommy,

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<v Speaker 1>and the year's extra maturity at the age of eight

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<v Speaker 1>is a really, really big deal. I made this argument

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<v Speaker 1>until I was horse And what did I want? I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted elementary and middle schools to devedop their students by

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<v Speaker 1>birth month, so the oldest kids would be in one

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<v Speaker 1>class and those born in the middle months would be

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<v Speaker 1>in another class, and the youngest kids would be in

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<v Speaker 1>a class by themselves, and the playing field could be leveled.

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<v Speaker 1>Did any school superintendent ever call me up and say,

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<v Speaker 1>I love your idea. I've reorganized my kids by birth month.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Never.

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<v Speaker 1>My own daughter is going to kindergarten this fall, and

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<v Speaker 1>some part of me wanted to ask her principal, can

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<v Speaker 1>she be in a class with all the other kids

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<v Speaker 1>born at the same time as her? But I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know why, because I'm demoralized. Because this fixation

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<v Speaker 1>of mine, this beautiful, radical, provocative idea that I put

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<v Speaker 1>out into the world, sank quietly into the sea like

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<v Speaker 1>a waited corpse. I had all but given up until,

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<v Speaker 1>like an angel descending from heaven, became adrenarian Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>City Council member and revisionist history listener. Thank you for doing.

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<v Speaker 4>This, Thank you for inviting me.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, so I was delighted to hear that you

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<v Speaker 1>are the author, the instigator of a proposal to be

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<v Speaker 1>put before the voters of Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you were the instigate.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I you know, I'm I was a provocateur. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I just raise issues. Others have to make them

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<v Speaker 1>actually happen. So I could you tell me straight? How

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<v Speaker 1>did you did you? How did you come across my podcast?

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<v Speaker 4>So one of my staff members brought this to my

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<v Speaker 4>attention and said, you got to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>This, council member, you got to hear this. And did

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<v Speaker 1>he hear this? Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes he did.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Malcolm Glabwell. You're listening to Revisionist History,

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<v Speaker 1>my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood. Later this week,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be dropping the first of our epic

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<v Speaker 1>five episode blockbuster, The Staten Island Problem. But before we do,

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<v Speaker 1>as a little amuse bouosh, we're going to revisit one

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<v Speaker 1>of my all time favorite episodes in the Revisionist History

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<v Speaker 1>canon from ten years ago, A Good Walk Spoiled. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to play it for you now in case you

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<v Speaker 1>need a little refresher, and then I'm going to come

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<v Speaker 1>back at the end and tell you how finally, a

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<v Speaker 1>decade into Revisionist History, somebody listened. A friend who lives

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<v Speaker 1>in Brentwood on the West side of Los Angeles between

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly Hills and Santa Monica. He has a little pool

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<v Speaker 1>house in his backyard and I stay there whenever I

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<v Speaker 1>come to LA, kind of like Cato Kalon if your

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<v Speaker 1>memory for O. J. Simpson Esoterica goes back that far. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend's street dead ends on San Vicente Boulevard, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the central east west corridors in LA. And on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of San Vicente is this absolutely gorgeous

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<v Speaker 1>golf course, one of the many private country clubs that

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<v Speaker 1>LA is famous for. If you drive down Wilshire Boulevard

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<v Speaker 1>into Beverly Hills, ten minutes east of Brentwood, you go

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<v Speaker 1>right past Los Angeles Country Club, which costs maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of a million dollars just to join, that is,

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<v Speaker 1>if they'll even consider your application. There's bell Air Country

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<v Speaker 1>Club just north of Ucla, which might be the most

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful golf course in the country, Hillcrest offf Pico, Wilshire

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<v Speaker 1>country Club, and Hancock. I could go on. They're everywhere, vast,

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous and private. The one near my friend's house is

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<v Speaker 1>called Brentwood country Club, and it has a tall chain

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<v Speaker 1>link fence around it which goes almost all the way

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<v Speaker 1>out to the street, leaving just this narrow, rocky dirt track.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no sidewalk, and since there aren't a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>places to run in Los Angeles, tons of people run

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<v Speaker 1>around the Brentwood country Club on that narrow dirt track.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's one thing that always bothers me every time

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<v Speaker 1>I run that route. Why do all the runners of

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<v Speaker 1>West Los Angeles have to squeeze into this narrow, rocky

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<v Speaker 1>little track when there's a huge, magnificent park just on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the fence. My name is Malcolm Gladwell,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're listening to Revisionist History, my podcast about things

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<v Speaker 1>Overlooked and Misunderstood. This episode is about the problem with golf.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate golf and hopefully by the end of this

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<v Speaker 1>you'll hate golf too. I'm standing here would die day Zac,

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<v Speaker 1>who is a very successful landscape architect Santa Monica, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're on the corner of Sana Cente in Berlin Game

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<v Speaker 1>and we're looking into the Brentwood Country Club and the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing I see is barbed wire.

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<v Speaker 5>Looks like a couple of layers of barbed wire.

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<v Speaker 1>This looks like it looks like the Berlin Wall.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like they want us to get in there?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you what are we seeing? We're seeing smooth. A

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<v Speaker 1>little closer here, what's that stand up trees? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what those are?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>That looks like silk oakes in the foreground. And then

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<v Speaker 5>I see a sadrus theodora, quite lovely. Lots of larger trees,

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<v Speaker 5>which are unusual unless angelists because there's so little open space.

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<v Speaker 5>There's some piness. Canariensis looks like a redwood in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Dayezac has ever played a round of

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<v Speaker 1>golf in her life. That's exactly why I wanted her opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted someone objective to tell me what it would

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<v Speaker 1>take to turn this place into a park.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, first of all, I would get rid of the

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<v Speaker 5>two layers of barter wire.

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<v Speaker 1>Were the whole Eastern European feel east. Your German field

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<v Speaker 1>would have to be corrected.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, that might be some people's bag, but it's

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<v Speaker 5>not very welcoming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The typical golf course is two hundred acres, give

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<v Speaker 1>or take. There's a lot of land. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>landscape it, mow it, drench it in pesticides, keep the

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<v Speaker 1>sand traps perfect. I read somewhere that when a fancy

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<v Speaker 1>golf course rebuilds its bunkers. It typically takes about three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighty nine truckloads of sand three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine just to keep everything nice and white and fluffy.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, because golf involves launching a

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<v Speaker 1>potentially lethal projectile at great speeds across enormous distances, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to severely limit the number of people on the

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<v Speaker 1>course at any one time. Typically, a good private course

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<v Speaker 1>can handle no more than seventy two golfers at once.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's one golfer per one hundred and twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty three square feet. Can you imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>basketball had the same population density as golf. I did

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<v Speaker 1>the math. If basketball was played according to the geographical

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<v Speaker 1>requirements of golf, a basketball court would be thirty acres.

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<v Speaker 1>Picture that that had to play on motorcycles. Okay, another

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<v Speaker 1>fact about golf. Rich people really really like it. They're

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with it in a way that there just isn't

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<v Speaker 1>any parallel for ordinary people. Because serious golfers are souper

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<v Speaker 1>anal about their scores, we can actually quantify their obsession

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<v Speaker 1>in order to calculate their handicap. Basically how well they're

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<v Speaker 1>playing relative to other people at the country club. They

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<v Speaker 1>all post their results on a database maintained by the

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<v Speaker 1>United States Golf Association. So we have a record and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a gold mine.

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<v Speaker 6>To be able to calculate your handicap and track it

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<v Speaker 6>through time. You will log into the system either at

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<v Speaker 6>your course or on your home computer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to an economist at Miami University named Lee

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<v Speaker 1>bigger Staff. He's interested in the habits of top corporate executives.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have the corner office and a multimillion dollar

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<v Speaker 1>stock option and a Gulf Stream five, does that make

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<v Speaker 1>you more or less likely to put in a hard

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<v Speaker 1>day's work. The USGA database is of serious professional interest

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<v Speaker 1>to a guy like bigger Staff.

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<v Speaker 6>And your input where you played, and what day you

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<v Speaker 6>played on, and what your score was, and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>after a certain number of rounds being played, the USGA

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<v Speaker 6>will indicate what's your hand indicaptives your level of skill,

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<v Speaker 6>which allows you to compete against other golfers of different

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<v Speaker 6>skill level and kind of normalize against that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how you always hear that CEOs play a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of golf. Bigger Staff's insight is that the USGA

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<v Speaker 1>database allows us to know exactly how much they play.

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<v Speaker 1>All you need to do is cross reference that list

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<v Speaker 1>of scores with a list of the CEOs of America's

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<v Speaker 1>largest companies. So that's what he does. It takes forever.

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<v Speaker 6>By the way, Well started while as a PhD student,

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<v Speaker 6>and so this certainly was a multi month process. So

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<v Speaker 6>it's not something that nine is really want to repeat

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<v Speaker 6>in the near term just because it took a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of collection time.

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<v Speaker 1>There, how can you not love this? Surely this is

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<v Speaker 1>why God invented graduate students. Bigger staff begins with the

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<v Speaker 1>names of the heads the top fifteen hundred publicly held

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<v Speaker 1>companies in the US. Three hundred and sixty three of

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<v Speaker 1>those fifteen hundred turn out to be so obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>golf that they enter their scores into the USGA database.

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<v Speaker 6>What you're seeing on average is, I think fifteen rounds

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<v Speaker 6>a year is kind of the average CEO is playing

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<v Speaker 6>that amount of golf. But it's a heavily skewed distribution, right,

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<v Speaker 6>So we have a lot of people that are playing

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<v Speaker 6>very little golf, and then we have a tail where

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<v Speaker 6>we're picking it up, you know, the top quartile of

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<v Speaker 6>we're looking at which is twenty two or more rounds

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<v Speaker 6>per year.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you go to the top ten percent of

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<v Speaker 1>Bigger Staff sample, the CEOs are playing around at least

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven times a year. A round of golf is

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<v Speaker 1>a good four four and a half hours, So if

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<v Speaker 1>you play thirty seven times a year, that's more than

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and sixty hours on the course, the equivalent

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<v Speaker 1>of five and a half weeks of work. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, these are understatements. They don't include the time

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<v Speaker 1>spent driving to the course, warming up, getting changed, having

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<v Speaker 1>a drink. Doesn't include the hours spent practicing shots on

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<v Speaker 1>the putting green or the driving range, or all the

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<v Speaker 1>rounds you play that you don't enter into the database,

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're only playing nine holes or playing a

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<v Speaker 1>fun round, so the real time is probably way higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Bigger Staff then goes on to show that the more

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<v Speaker 1>golf of CEO plays, the worse his firm does, and

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<v Speaker 1>also that the more golf of CEO plays, the more

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<v Speaker 1>likely he is to be fired. In other words, this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a harmless habit, it's a dangerous habit. Remember the

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street investment bank bear Stearns. They went bankrupt during

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<v Speaker 1>the mortgage crisis. In July of two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>right when the crisis was beginning, the CEO of Bear

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<v Speaker 1>Stearns would often helicopter out from Wall Street on Friday

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<v Speaker 1>afternoons to his exclusive course in New Jersey to get

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<v Speaker 1>a round in before sunset. Even when his company was collapsing,

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't stop playing golf. Out of President Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>first four months in office, he visited his own golf

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<v Speaker 1>courses twenty five times. One week he played three times.

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<v Speaker 1>You would think he would be at the office learning

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<v Speaker 1>how to be president, reading intelligence briefings, drading the swamp. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's golfing. It's an addiction, right, because the definition of

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<v Speaker 1>an addiction is a self dis destructive habit. Just think

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<v Speaker 1>if I said to you that an important employee of

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<v Speaker 1>a major organization made lifestyle choices that caused him to

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<v Speaker 1>miss enormous amounts of work, harm his performance, and put

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<v Speaker 1>his own career in jeopardy, you would say, WHOA check

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<v Speaker 1>that guy into rehab. That's golf crack cocaine for rich

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<v Speaker 1>white guys.

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<v Speaker 6>The highest in the sample one hundred and forty six

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<v Speaker 6>or one hundred and forty eight rounds recorded in a

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<v Speaker 6>single year, which I mean that at that point, that's

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<v Speaker 6>a tremendous amount of time spent on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>You thought I was engaging in hyperbolely, didn't you that

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<v Speaker 1>I was using the word addiction metaphorically. One hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight rounds a year is a round of golf

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<v Speaker 1>every three days.

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<v Speaker 6>And that would be if it was kind of uniformly

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<v Speaker 6>distributed across the year. It's you know, GoF certainly has

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<v Speaker 6>a season where it's a little bit more intense in

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<v Speaker 6>terms of the summer versus the winner.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can't tell me what company it is. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know what company it is.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we're just with this data, given it somewhat sensitive,

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<v Speaker 6>we're unwilling to name out CEOs.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you won't tell me. I mean, here,

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<v Speaker 1>we have an activity that is incredibly expensive, that is

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<v Speaker 1>organized in just about the most extravagant manner possible, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, this expensive habit is incredibly addictive,

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<v Speaker 1>to the point that there's a chief executive out there

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<v Speaker 1>of a major American corporation who plays an average of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and forty eight rounds of golf a year

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<v Speaker 1>and is so completely unself conscious about that fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he posts all one hundred and forty eight rounds on

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<v Speaker 1>a public database where it can be analyzed by graduate students.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happens to rich white guys with a dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>costly obsession? Do they burn through their life savings paying

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<v Speaker 1>for their addiction like ordinary addicts do? Please give them

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<v Speaker 1>a little more respect.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, this is my fifteenth year in television.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine that fifteen years of me.

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<v Speaker 4>Longest stomach test and the history of showb.

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<v Speaker 2>You could argue, I would say in the forties and fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no one who was more widely popular in

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<v Speaker 2>America than Bob Hope.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to Richard Saglan, Bob Hope's biographer. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Hope has been a little forgotten in recent years,

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<v Speaker 1>but in his day he was huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Every late night comedian who does a stand up monologue

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of the show owes a debt to

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Hope, because he kind of invented that thing, a

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<v Speaker 2>stand up comedy monologue that sort of took note of

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on in the world, what was going

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<v Speaker 2>on in Hollywood, what was going on everywhere, And he

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<v Speaker 2>was just the voice of America. I think for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Hope is a crucial part of the story of

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<v Speaker 1>golf in America, although I'm warning you things are going

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<v Speaker 1>to get a little complicated, which is sort of the point,

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't get to run the world for as

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<v Speaker 1>long as rich white guys have without being pretty wily,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of their best and wiliest work has been

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<v Speaker 1>on the golf course. So there's a principal and property

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<v Speaker 1>tax law called highest and best use, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ways you figure out how much to

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<v Speaker 1>tax a piece of property is to estimate what its

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<v Speaker 1>best use might be. For example, if I have a

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<v Speaker 1>one acre plot and the fanciest part of Manhattan that

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<v Speaker 1>I used to grow vegetables, I can't say to the

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<v Speaker 1>city that land is worthless, it's just a vegetable garden. No,

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<v Speaker 1>the city's going to say, we're going to value that

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<v Speaker 1>one acre and tax it as if it had an

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<v Speaker 1>apartment block on it, because that's the best use of

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<v Speaker 1>land in the fancy parts of Manhattan. Now, if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a vast golf course in the middle of Beverly

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<v Speaker 1>Hills or Brentwood, highest and best use makes you really nervous,

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<v Speaker 1>because plainly, the highest and best use of land in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of one of the most expensive and densely

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<v Speaker 1>populated cities in the world is not a private golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>So years ago, in nineteen sixty, California's country clubs realize

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<v Speaker 1>they have to act or they're going to get taxed

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<v Speaker 1>into oblivion. They get together and they propose an amendment

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<v Speaker 1>to the state constitution that permanently exempts them from the

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<v Speaker 1>highest and best use standard. They want their vegetable garden

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<v Speaker 1>to be taxed as a vegetable garden. If you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, this is seriously audacious. Private golf courses are

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<v Speaker 1>these massive, opulent, gated playgrounds, and membership is often restricted.

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<v Speaker 1>In Los Angeles in nineteen sixty, a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>clubs didn't let in Jews. They certainly didn't let in

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<v Speaker 1>black people except to work in the kitchen. Yet they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted a constitutional exemption to ordinary property taxes, like there

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<v Speaker 1>were some kind of public amenity. How can they argue this?

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<v Speaker 1>They don't not really. They just bring in Bob Hope, who,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to being the most popular entertainer in America,

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<v Speaker 1>is also an obsessive golfer obsessive. I might as well

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<v Speaker 1>level with you.

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<v Speaker 4>I spent so much time in Sandstraft they sent me

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<v Speaker 4>citizenship papers from Saudi Arabia. Oh yeah, I love to

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<v Speaker 4>hear the whole story.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Hope once wrote an entire book just devoted to

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<v Speaker 1>his golf game, called Confessions of a Hooker, in which

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<v Speaker 1>he estimates that he had played on two thousand different

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<v Speaker 1>golf courses over the course of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>He belonged to the Lakeside Country Club in La near

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<v Speaker 2>where he lived, one of the prestigiousstigious I think so. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The genius at picking Bob Hope is the face of

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<v Speaker 1>California's country clubs is that his whole persona, his whole act,

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<v Speaker 1>was about being every man. He's self deprecating. Half his

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<v Speaker 1>jokes are about how he's not part of the inn group,

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<v Speaker 1>even though of course there's no one more in than

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Hope.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't this wonderful all being here in California?

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<v Speaker 4>I just love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at that skuy, That's the only place in the

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<v Speaker 3>world where you can get four seasons in one day.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to tell you that this is we better hurry,

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be able to be snowing before the third.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold, you know, let's move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, So, how did the Bob Hope for Golf

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<v Speaker 1>campaign do in nineteen sixty It wins. The proposition passes

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<v Speaker 1>and is added to Article thirteen of the California Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>where it remains to this day. In order to win

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<v Speaker 1>a set of privileges for the very wealthy, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>California's country clubs turn to a man who symbolizes the

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<v Speaker 1>common man. I mean, when does it ever happen that

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<v Speaker 1>a TV celebrity wins a sweetheart deal for his rich

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<v Speaker 1>golf buddies by posing as a friend of the common man?

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<v Speaker 1>If you get my drift to take me back, just

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<v Speaker 1>to I totally understand Prop thirteen property has passed in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy eight, and what are the principal stipulations of

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<v Speaker 1>the proposition. I'm in a big conference room in the

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles County Municipal Building, one of those beautiful nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirties office buildings that are all over downtown Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>There are four people on the other side of the table.

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<v Speaker 1>They're from the LA County tax Assessor's office. I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>my quest to figure out why Brentwood Country Club isn't

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<v Speaker 1>just a big park that I can go running through.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've decided to start with the people who run

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<v Speaker 1>the tax system. These are serious folks, deliberate, thoughtful. They

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<v Speaker 1>have promised to help me. You'll have to guess what

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<v Speaker 1>they really think.

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<v Speaker 7>The tax rate is set is one percent of the value,

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<v Speaker 7>as opposed to a variable rate, which it was before.

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<v Speaker 1>The man speaking is Brian Donnelly. He's talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>most famous amendment to the California Constitution, Proposition thirteen.

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<v Speaker 7>The properties only get reassessed with when there's a transfer

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<v Speaker 7>or a change of ownership, or there's new construction. Those

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<v Speaker 7>are the primary parts of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what he's saying. If you own a house, every

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<v Speaker 1>one or two years, typically the value of your property

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<v Speaker 1>is reassessed by the city or county where you live.

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<v Speaker 1>So if your house doubles in value, the local government

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<v Speaker 1>will raise your taxes accordingly. That's the way property taxes work,

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<v Speaker 1>except in California. Proposition thirteen said that for tax purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>the value of any piece of property in California is

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<v Speaker 1>frozen at pre nineteen seventy eight levels, and the only

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<v Speaker 1>way that property can be reassessed at its real current

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<v Speaker 1>value is if the property is sold, or to be

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<v Speaker 1>more specific, if ownership of more than fifty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the property changes hands. In other words, California has two

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of taxpayers, the post nineteen seventy eight people who

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<v Speaker 1>pay normal property taxes, and the people lucky and old

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<v Speaker 1>enough to be living in the same house they owned

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy eight, who pay a tiny fraction of

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<v Speaker 1>their fair share.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I've got family members who've owned their house

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<v Speaker 7>in nineteen sixty nine and they're paying I think their

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<v Speaker 7>tax will value is bad ninety thousand dollars or something

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<v Speaker 7>like that. The houses in that neighborhood sell for six hundred,

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<v Speaker 7>so they're paying a lot less. It's the property conundrum,

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<v Speaker 7>which I'm sure you've read about.

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<v Speaker 1>Please understand, this system is insane, totally crazy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just think of all the reasons why someone might deserve

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<v Speaker 1>a big tax break. I mean, they're sick, they're poor,

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<v Speaker 1>they have tons of young kids, they've made a big

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<v Speaker 1>investment in their business. The State of California says, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we think the most deserving group are people whose property

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't changed hands in forty years. Okay, Now, imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>you're a private golf club you did that spectacular bit

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<v Speaker 1>of jiu jitsu with Bob Hope in nineteen sixty, which

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<v Speaker 1>means that you don't pay real property taxes. Gift from

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<v Speaker 1>God number one. Then comes proposition thirteen, and you get

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<v Speaker 1>a second gift from God, because proposition thirteen says that

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<v Speaker 1>those already artificially low property taxes are now frozen forever

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<v Speaker 1>at nineteen seventy eight levels, so long as your country

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<v Speaker 1>club does not change hands. And that last part is crucial,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you have a change in ownership, then you

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay real property tax like every other long

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<v Speaker 1>suffering California taxpayer who hasn't been in one place since

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy eight. So the country clubs of Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>all hang by a thread. They continue to exist only

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<v Speaker 1>so long as the tax system perceives that they have

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<v Speaker 1>not changed hands. And for years everyone assumes they haven't

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<v Speaker 1>changed hands. I mean Brentwood, LA country Club, Wiltshire, all

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<v Speaker 1>the major golf clubs were all founded before nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 1>But then a neighborhood newspaper called the Los Angeles Garment

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<v Speaker 1>and Citizen runs an article January sixteenth, twenty ten, in

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<v Speaker 1>which they say, wait a minute, Most private country clubs

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<v Speaker 1>in Los Angeles have what's called equity ownership. They're owned

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<v Speaker 1>by their members. When you're admitted, you get a share.

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<v Speaker 1>When you die or quit, someone else takes your share.

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<v Speaker 1>So over time, if enough members die or quit, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that a change in ownership. That question was put to

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Auerbach, who was then the head of tax assessment

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<v Speaker 1>for La County.

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<v Speaker 7>I think the quote was kind of funny for me.

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<v Speaker 7>You said something about, let's see, on most issues we

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<v Speaker 7>haven't heard at least the question asked before. He said

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<v Speaker 7>he'd worked in the office thirty nine years, but this

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<v Speaker 7>was a new one.

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<v Speaker 1>So Aurback refers the question to the city's lawyers. They

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<v Speaker 1>put their best and brightest legal minds on it for

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<v Speaker 1>six months, and on June second, twenty ten, the County's

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<v Speaker 1>tax court issues a solemn, four page ruling. They conclude,

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<v Speaker 1>no country clubs haven't changed hands. If you're keeping track,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the third straight up gift from God that LA's

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<v Speaker 1>private country clubs have gotten in the last fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>He was talking to someone who's a member of Bellair

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<v Speaker 1>Country Club and I said, what percentage of the members

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<v Speaker 1>of bel Air today were members in seventy eight? And

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<v Speaker 1>he said, you know, ten percent? So why isn't that

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<v Speaker 1>a change of ownership?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 7>If I haven't had a chance to dig through this

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<v Speaker 7>a whole lot since I got it out of the

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<v Speaker 7>file the other day. But they kind of get into it.

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<v Speaker 7>It's they're saying, if there's no one event that is

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<v Speaker 7>that is more than fifty percent of a transfer, then

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<v Speaker 7>it's not. Each of those little individual slices are not

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<v Speaker 7>a change of ownership.

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<v Speaker 2>On their own.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you find that argument plausible?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, yeah, that's that's we're implementers of the law.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have opinions. No, well no, no. I could

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<v Speaker 1>swear as I looked across the table at Donnelly and

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<v Speaker 1>his cohorts that they were twitching like they desperately wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to say something but had to bite their tongue. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what it's like. You know that famous paradox I

0:26:01.756 --> 0:26:04.876
<v Speaker 1>forgot with the ship. Well, you the question is if

0:26:04.916 --> 0:26:06.596
<v Speaker 1>you change If you have a ship and you change

0:26:06.596 --> 0:26:08.916
<v Speaker 1>a sex some ancient Greek think, and you change one

0:26:09.396 --> 0:26:11.956
<v Speaker 1>at a time, is at the end of the day,

0:26:12.036 --> 0:26:15.716
<v Speaker 1>is a ship different that's what this is. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember is a ship of theseus. The famous

0:26:18.956 --> 0:26:22.236
<v Speaker 1>thought experiment described by the Greek philosopher Plutarch roughly two

0:26:22.276 --> 0:26:28.316
<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago. Plutarch says, imagine theseus is sailing on

0:26:28.356 --> 0:26:31.276
<v Speaker 1>a ship, and one by one he replaces every one

0:26:31.316 --> 0:26:33.756
<v Speaker 1>of the original planks that make up that ship with

0:26:33.796 --> 0:26:36.556
<v Speaker 1>a new plank, until every single piece of the ship

0:26:36.716 --> 0:26:40.876
<v Speaker 1>is new. The question is, when theseus reaches shore, is

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<v Speaker 1>he sailing on the same ship as he was when

0:26:42.756 --> 0:26:46.516
<v Speaker 1>he left or a new ship. One view says it's

0:26:46.516 --> 0:26:50.316
<v Speaker 1>a new ship. This is called the myriological theory of identity.

0:26:50.636 --> 0:26:53.676
<v Speaker 1>The identity of something is the sum of its component parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Change the parts, you change the thing. On the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the argument is something called spatio temporal continuity theory,

0:27:02.476 --> 0:27:06.196
<v Speaker 1>which says that an object can maintain its identity so

0:27:06.396 --> 0:27:09.796
<v Speaker 1>long as the change is gradual and the form or

0:27:09.876 --> 0:27:13.036
<v Speaker 1>shape of the object is preserved to the changes of

0:27:13.036 --> 0:27:16.796
<v Speaker 1>its component materials. I think you can see where I'm

0:27:16.796 --> 0:27:20.676
<v Speaker 1>going with this. The city's lawyers take a second view.

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<v Speaker 1>So long as a country club replaces its rich white

0:27:24.076 --> 0:27:27.636
<v Speaker 1>guys gradually, and so long as each new rich white

0:27:27.676 --> 0:27:30.316
<v Speaker 1>guy preserves the form and shape of the rich white

0:27:30.316 --> 0:27:33.156
<v Speaker 1>guy he is replacing. Then the private golf clubs of

0:27:33.236 --> 0:27:37.036
<v Speaker 1>today must have the same existential status as the private

0:27:37.036 --> 0:27:41.236
<v Speaker 1>golf courses of nineteen seventy eight. Collections of rich white guys,

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<v Speaker 1>from the standpoint of the La County property tax system,

0:27:44.476 --> 0:27:51.636
<v Speaker 1>possess spatio temporal continuity. At this point I realized I

0:27:51.716 --> 0:27:54.716
<v Speaker 1>was in way over my head. Tax assessors were not

0:27:54.756 --> 0:27:58.796
<v Speaker 1>going to be enough. I needed an actual philosopher, so

0:27:58.876 --> 0:28:02.556
<v Speaker 1>I called Mark Cohen of the University of Washington to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the bottom of the question of whether large

0:28:05.196 --> 0:28:08.236
<v Speaker 1>groups of rich white people possess ontological permanence.

0:28:09.356 --> 0:28:14.876
<v Speaker 3>Here's an argument that favors the spaciotemporal continuity theory. The

0:28:14.996 --> 0:28:19.796
<v Speaker 3>idea that what makes the ship persist through time as

0:28:19.876 --> 0:28:23.676
<v Speaker 3>one and the same is that it moves smoothly through

0:28:23.716 --> 0:28:28.236
<v Speaker 3>space time. One plank is removed and thrown overboard, and

0:28:28.436 --> 0:28:31.436
<v Speaker 3>a replacement plank is installed taken from the cargo the

0:28:31.476 --> 0:28:34.756
<v Speaker 3>ship has on board, So when it arrives, it doesn't

0:28:34.796 --> 0:28:37.876
<v Speaker 3>have a single part that is identical to any of

0:28:37.876 --> 0:28:40.516
<v Speaker 3>the parts it started out with. And so there's no

0:28:40.636 --> 0:28:42.916
<v Speaker 3>point at which you can say Aha, Now we have

0:28:42.956 --> 0:28:47.156
<v Speaker 3>a new ship, a different a numerically different ship. So

0:28:47.236 --> 0:28:49.716
<v Speaker 3>that if you have that sort of argument in mind,

0:28:49.756 --> 0:28:53.316
<v Speaker 3>you think, okay, the Space show temporal continuity criterion is

0:28:53.356 --> 0:28:56.156
<v Speaker 3>the correct one. Forget about requiring that all the parts

0:28:56.196 --> 0:28:56.756
<v Speaker 3>are the same.

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<v Speaker 1>But con is not finished. As a philosopher, his job

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<v Speaker 1>is to consider all the scenarios raised by the ship

0:29:04.396 --> 0:29:07.876
<v Speaker 1>of THESEUS conundrum, like the museum counterexample.

0:29:08.116 --> 0:29:12.036
<v Speaker 3>The museum example goes like this. Suppose the ship is

0:29:12.916 --> 0:29:16.556
<v Speaker 3>in a museum of ancient ships and a gang of

0:29:16.596 --> 0:29:19.956
<v Speaker 3>crooks is trying to steal this ancient ship, and it

0:29:20.036 --> 0:29:23.116
<v Speaker 3>realizes it can't just haul it out in one piece.

0:29:23.156 --> 0:29:25.716
<v Speaker 3>They would easily be spotted. So they come up with

0:29:25.756 --> 0:29:26.676
<v Speaker 3>a clever scheme.

0:29:27.036 --> 0:29:30.036
<v Speaker 1>They sneak in every night and steal the ship, one

0:29:30.076 --> 0:29:32.676
<v Speaker 1>board at a time, one plank a day, so the

0:29:32.756 --> 0:29:34.596
<v Speaker 1>museum doesn't realize what's going on.

0:29:34.876 --> 0:29:38.356
<v Speaker 3>By the time they're finished on day number n they

0:29:38.396 --> 0:29:42.236
<v Speaker 3>have all end parts of the ship removed. Now they

0:29:42.276 --> 0:29:45.436
<v Speaker 3>reassemble them and put it on the black market. They're

0:29:45.596 --> 0:29:49.996
<v Speaker 3>selling Theseus's ancient ship for a pretty price, and they've

0:29:50.116 --> 0:29:54.396
<v Speaker 3>left a replica behind in the museum. I contend that

0:29:54.436 --> 0:29:57.676
<v Speaker 3>in this case, when you describe it in this way,

0:29:57.796 --> 0:30:02.596
<v Speaker 3>it seems as if Theseus's ship has been stolen piecemeal

0:30:02.796 --> 0:30:05.316
<v Speaker 3>from the museum.

0:30:05.596 --> 0:30:08.076
<v Speaker 1>Cohen's point is that there's no simple answer to the

0:30:08.076 --> 0:30:11.556
<v Speaker 1>ship of Theseus prop You can go around and around

0:30:11.636 --> 0:30:14.756
<v Speaker 1>and around. That's why it's a puzzle. But do you

0:30:14.796 --> 0:30:17.876
<v Speaker 1>see what the lawyers at the LA Board of Equalization did.

0:30:18.556 --> 0:30:22.076
<v Speaker 1>They just waltz into a philosophical conundrum that has bedeviled

0:30:22.116 --> 0:30:24.316
<v Speaker 1>some of the best minds in the world for two

0:30:24.556 --> 0:30:28.316
<v Speaker 1>thousand years and declare victory and say, oh, it's definitely

0:30:28.316 --> 0:30:33.316
<v Speaker 1>option one spatio temporal continuity.

0:30:34.796 --> 0:30:40.036
<v Speaker 3>The problem as it stands is irresolvable, and you only

0:30:40.116 --> 0:30:42.756
<v Speaker 3>come to a conclusion that makes any sense to you

0:30:43.596 --> 0:30:48.676
<v Speaker 3>if you place it in a context in which there

0:30:48.756 --> 0:30:54.516
<v Speaker 3>is something sort of extra metaphysical, something pragmatic, that helps

0:30:54.556 --> 0:30:56.556
<v Speaker 3>that tilts you in one direction or the other.

0:30:57.036 --> 0:31:01.436
<v Speaker 1>So what's the pragmatic, extra metaphysical consideration here? It's at

0:31:01.476 --> 0:31:05.036
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles ranks near the bottom of all major metropolitan

0:31:05.116 --> 0:31:08.276
<v Speaker 1>areas in the United States in terms of public parks.

0:31:08.916 --> 0:31:11.476
<v Speaker 1>There is Griffith Park off in the northeastern corner of

0:31:11.516 --> 0:31:13.716
<v Speaker 1>the city, which only a fraction of the city can

0:31:13.796 --> 0:31:17.516
<v Speaker 1>even get to, and then there's basically nothing except these

0:31:17.556 --> 0:31:20.876
<v Speaker 1>massive golf courses, which are both closed to the general

0:31:20.916 --> 0:31:24.476
<v Speaker 1>public and subsidized by the general public. Do you want

0:31:24.476 --> 0:31:27.196
<v Speaker 1>to know the size of that subsidy? I asked around

0:31:27.876 --> 0:31:29.836
<v Speaker 1>a guy I know knows a guy who's a member

0:31:29.876 --> 0:31:32.356
<v Speaker 1>of the La Country Club. That guy's back of the

0:31:32.436 --> 0:31:35.436
<v Speaker 1>envelope calculation was that the club's land was worth about

0:31:35.476 --> 0:31:38.396
<v Speaker 1>six billion dollars. But that was a couple of years ago.

0:31:38.956 --> 0:31:40.836
<v Speaker 1>Then I heard from another guy who said that they

0:31:40.876 --> 0:31:46.276
<v Speaker 1>now think it's worth nine billion, nine billion. Under normal circumstances,

0:31:46.476 --> 0:31:49.036
<v Speaker 1>the property taxes on that much land would come to

0:31:49.116 --> 0:31:52.636
<v Speaker 1>about ninety million dollars a year. Do you know what

0:31:52.796 --> 0:31:55.676
<v Speaker 1>La Country Club actually paid after you add up the

0:31:55.676 --> 0:32:00.156
<v Speaker 1>Bob Hope exemption and the Spatio temporal continuity ruling two

0:32:00.316 --> 0:32:04.356
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars give or take all. Right, let's do

0:32:04.476 --> 0:32:09.036
<v Speaker 1>the math together. They should be paying ninety million. In fact,

0:32:09.156 --> 0:32:12.636
<v Speaker 1>they're only paying two hundred thousand dollars in property taxes.

0:32:13.516 --> 0:32:16.916
<v Speaker 1>Ninety million minus two hundred thousand dollars is eighty nine million,

0:32:17.036 --> 0:32:20.756
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred thousand dollars. That's how much the tax bearers

0:32:20.836 --> 0:32:24.996
<v Speaker 1>of Los Angeles subsidize one of the swankiest country clubs

0:32:25.036 --> 0:32:28.196
<v Speaker 1>in the world every year. Well, now I wander to

0:32:28.236 --> 0:32:30.836
<v Speaker 1>bring up something else that comes to mind here, which

0:32:31.396 --> 0:32:37.436
<v Speaker 1>is that the spatial temporal argument, taken out of philosophical context,

0:32:38.036 --> 0:32:43.836
<v Speaker 1>strikes me as being can sometimes be really troubling. For example,

0:32:43.916 --> 0:32:47.516
<v Speaker 1>it's a very I mean, I think there's something fundamentally

0:32:47.556 --> 0:32:50.556
<v Speaker 1>intuitive about it, and I don't mean that necessarily in

0:32:50.596 --> 0:32:53.836
<v Speaker 1>a good way. That it you know, that we get

0:32:53.876 --> 0:32:58.236
<v Speaker 1>the fact that we call the Hudson River the Hudson River,

0:32:58.356 --> 0:33:03.716
<v Speaker 1>even though the Hudson River is at every second changing.

0:33:04.196 --> 0:33:06.916
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, the water's up, the same boats

0:33:07.076 --> 0:33:08.916
<v Speaker 1>go down at you know, it's never that you never

0:33:08.956 --> 0:33:11.436
<v Speaker 1>look the same way twice ever. But we continue to

0:33:11.476 --> 0:33:14.236
<v Speaker 1>call it the Hudson River. But it strikes me that

0:33:14.276 --> 0:33:17.796
<v Speaker 1>in a political context, as kind of thinking can be

0:33:17.916 --> 0:33:22.076
<v Speaker 1>used to perpetuate inequality and injustice.

0:33:22.836 --> 0:33:23.356
<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

0:33:24.356 --> 0:33:27.276
<v Speaker 1>For example, what is the what is an aristocracy but

0:33:27.396 --> 0:33:32.916
<v Speaker 1>a political formulation of the spatial temporal continuity principle?

0:33:33.956 --> 0:33:34.196
<v Speaker 6>Right?

0:33:34.356 --> 0:33:36.716
<v Speaker 3>It is something like that, And it's it's.

0:33:36.556 --> 0:33:40.916
<v Speaker 1>Troubling it precisely that way, because they're saying circumstances can change,

0:33:41.236 --> 0:33:44.116
<v Speaker 1>and the holders of the privilege can change. The father

0:33:44.196 --> 0:33:47.716
<v Speaker 1>can die and the son can inherit the peerage. But

0:33:47.796 --> 0:33:52.196
<v Speaker 1>the peerage remains intact. It has this quality that's independent

0:33:52.316 --> 0:33:54.476
<v Speaker 1>of all that's going around it.

0:33:54.516 --> 0:33:58.996
<v Speaker 3>And that's yes, where the where the identity of the

0:33:59.036 --> 0:34:03.876
<v Speaker 3>object confers, for example, a right or a title, and

0:34:03.916 --> 0:34:07.636
<v Speaker 3>if it's considered to be held intact and in full

0:34:08.196 --> 0:34:12.076
<v Speaker 3>by whoever holds it at any one time, then basically

0:34:12.716 --> 0:34:17.436
<v Speaker 3>that removes change altogether from the realm of what matters

0:34:17.436 --> 0:34:22.796
<v Speaker 3>as far as as ownership is concerned. Yes, so the

0:34:22.836 --> 0:34:26.436
<v Speaker 3>seventeenth great grandson of the peer still has all of

0:34:26.476 --> 0:34:30.476
<v Speaker 3>the rights and privileges, even though so far removed from

0:34:31.036 --> 0:34:34.316
<v Speaker 3>the rights and privileges as they attached to the original

0:34:34.916 --> 0:34:39.716
<v Speaker 3>holder of them. So there is something that is unfair

0:34:39.756 --> 0:34:44.756
<v Speaker 3>and anti egalitarian about the way this principle can get applied.

0:34:48.716 --> 0:34:53.956
<v Speaker 1>So the golf clubs of Los Angeles are essentially aristocratic

0:34:53.996 --> 0:35:03.396
<v Speaker 1>institutions exactly. I think someone needs to tell Brimwood and

0:35:03.516 --> 0:35:06.316
<v Speaker 1>La Country Club and all the others that if they

0:35:06.356 --> 0:35:10.316
<v Speaker 1>want to hold spatio temporal continuity villages, they have to

0:35:10.356 --> 0:35:14.836
<v Speaker 1>give something back. Take down your barbed wire. Your members

0:35:14.876 --> 0:35:18.356
<v Speaker 1>can play golf on weekdays, but evenings and weekends belong

0:35:18.476 --> 0:35:22.676
<v Speaker 1>to the ordinary taxpayers of Los Angeles. Let them come

0:35:22.716 --> 0:35:25.636
<v Speaker 1>and enjoy the greens and fairways that they've been subsidizing

0:35:25.716 --> 0:35:29.476
<v Speaker 1>for generations. It's worth remembering, by the way, that the

0:35:29.516 --> 0:35:32.276
<v Speaker 1>most famous golf course in the world, the home of golf,

0:35:32.356 --> 0:35:35.316
<v Speaker 1>Saint Andrews in Scotland, is open to the general public

0:35:35.356 --> 0:35:39.996
<v Speaker 1>on Sundays. In Toronto, the fanciest golf club is Rosedale

0:35:39.996 --> 0:35:42.796
<v Speaker 1>Country Club, right in the middle of the city, but

0:35:42.836 --> 0:35:46.156
<v Speaker 1>the golf course is only private in summer. The rest

0:35:46.196 --> 0:35:48.476
<v Speaker 1>of the time it's open to anyone who wants to

0:35:48.476 --> 0:35:50.916
<v Speaker 1>go for a walk, or play frisbee, or go cross

0:35:50.956 --> 0:35:55.156
<v Speaker 1>country skiing. Canada and the United Kingdom, I would point out,

0:35:55.436 --> 0:35:59.236
<v Speaker 1>are governed by a queen. They have an actual aristocracy,

0:35:59.876 --> 0:36:02.316
<v Speaker 1>but somehow they figured out a way to have their

0:36:02.396 --> 0:36:06.556
<v Speaker 1>fancy golf courses be democratic. It's only on the corner

0:36:06.596 --> 0:36:09.756
<v Speaker 1>of San Vicente and Berlin Game that golf remains an

0:36:09.796 --> 0:36:11.996
<v Speaker 1>instrument of medieval privilege.

0:36:12.676 --> 0:36:16.916
<v Speaker 5>I mean, when you fly over La the green space

0:36:16.956 --> 0:36:19.956
<v Speaker 5>that you see is cemeteries and golf courses, and golf

0:36:19.956 --> 0:36:22.676
<v Speaker 5>courses you don't see parks. We don't have a park

0:36:22.916 --> 0:36:26.556
<v Speaker 5>like say San Francisco's Golden Gate Park or New York's

0:36:26.596 --> 0:36:27.836
<v Speaker 5>Central Park Central Park.

0:36:28.476 --> 0:36:30.676
<v Speaker 1>Day Zac and I are standing outside the barbed wire

0:36:30.756 --> 0:36:34.636
<v Speaker 1>or Brentwood Country Club, peering through a fence. We're trying

0:36:34.636 --> 0:36:37.236
<v Speaker 1>to spot one of the privileged few permitted a walk

0:36:37.276 --> 0:36:38.516
<v Speaker 1>in the park on the west side of.

0:36:38.596 --> 0:36:42.756
<v Speaker 5>La I see one, guy, I see one.

0:36:44.436 --> 0:36:47.236
<v Speaker 1>That's unbelievable. It's a Saturday afternoon. Sun is now coming

0:36:47.276 --> 0:36:51.716
<v Speaker 1>out yep. Like right now, we're standing on the running

0:36:51.796 --> 0:36:55.476
<v Speaker 1>track and there's someone running up there. Now, there are

0:36:55.516 --> 0:36:59.276
<v Speaker 1>more people on this narrow dirt track than there are

0:36:59.876 --> 0:37:02.876
<v Speaker 1>typically on the golf course. See if you can still

0:37:02.916 --> 0:37:07.676
<v Speaker 1>see any kind of I'm still looking for a golfer.

0:37:08.596 --> 0:37:10.356
<v Speaker 5>I'm not. Oh, I see one.

0:37:10.516 --> 0:37:11.116
<v Speaker 1>Do you see one?

0:37:11.236 --> 0:37:11.396
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:37:12.196 --> 0:37:13.196
<v Speaker 6>Oh, that's very exciting.

0:37:13.476 --> 0:37:21.516
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, next time, I'm climbing the fence. Maybe we all should.

0:37:27.076 --> 0:37:32.076
<v Speaker 1>That episode dropped on June fifteenth, twenty seventeen, ten years later,

0:37:32.236 --> 0:37:35.916
<v Speaker 1>almost to the month. One of Audrin Nazarian's staffers comes

0:37:35.916 --> 0:37:38.956
<v Speaker 1>to him and says, you should listen. So he does.

0:37:39.996 --> 0:37:49.476
<v Speaker 1>When we come back, all hell breaks loose Adrin Nazarian.

0:37:49.676 --> 0:37:52.636
<v Speaker 1>It turns out had for a long time asked himself

0:37:52.676 --> 0:37:55.876
<v Speaker 1>the same question I asked myself whenever I went to

0:37:55.916 --> 0:37:59.676
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, which is, how on earth do these massive

0:37:59.676 --> 0:38:02.916
<v Speaker 1>golf courses on some of the most expensive land in

0:38:02.956 --> 0:38:07.276
<v Speaker 1>the world afford their property taxes? And after listening to

0:38:07.316 --> 0:38:11.036
<v Speaker 1>that episode from twenty seventeen, he finally had his answer,

0:38:11.796 --> 0:38:16.716
<v Speaker 1>because basically, they don't pay property taxes. The six major

0:38:16.836 --> 0:38:22.196
<v Speaker 1>LA country clubs sit on land worth conservatively fifteen billion dollars.

0:38:22.636 --> 0:38:24.836
<v Speaker 1>You know how much they pay in property taxes in

0:38:24.876 --> 0:38:30.036
<v Speaker 1>a typical year, less than a million dollars. And thus enlightened,

0:38:30.316 --> 0:38:36.436
<v Speaker 1>he decided to act and introduce a ballot proposition. So

0:38:36.476 --> 0:38:40.436
<v Speaker 1>tell me, what does your proposal? Tell me exactly what

0:38:40.476 --> 0:38:43.876
<v Speaker 1>your proposal says how you would like to address this problem.

0:38:44.356 --> 0:38:48.836
<v Speaker 4>The proposal was meant to be a conversation starter to

0:38:49.116 --> 0:38:53.356
<v Speaker 4>force this issue. So what my team came up with

0:38:53.756 --> 0:38:59.156
<v Speaker 4>was to look at maybe a four dollars proposal per

0:38:59.316 --> 0:39:07.436
<v Speaker 4>square foot parcel tax, which does not contradict the state's Prop.

0:39:07.516 --> 0:39:13.156
<v Speaker 4>Thirteen requirement. It's a local city based parcel tax, and

0:39:13.436 --> 0:39:16.556
<v Speaker 4>the goal of the four dollars per square foot was

0:39:16.676 --> 0:39:21.596
<v Speaker 4>to make it almost commensurate to what a one percent

0:39:22.276 --> 0:39:28.356
<v Speaker 4>property tax valuation for best and highest use would have produced.

0:39:29.036 --> 0:39:31.796
<v Speaker 1>So back of the envelope calculation, what would a club

0:39:32.356 --> 0:39:36.796
<v Speaker 1>like LA Country Club be paying every year under your proposal?

0:39:38.556 --> 0:39:42.556
<v Speaker 4>It depends. Oh, if it was at four dollars, I

0:39:42.636 --> 0:39:44.476
<v Speaker 4>don't even know if they would be able to pay.

0:39:44.516 --> 0:39:45.396
<v Speaker 4>They would shut down.

0:39:45.676 --> 0:39:50.236
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's do the math. The Los Angeles Country Club,

0:39:50.356 --> 0:39:54.876
<v Speaker 1>the laccs, it's called the fanciest and most exclusive of

0:39:54.916 --> 0:39:58.756
<v Speaker 1>all Los Angeles country clubs, occupies roughly three hundred and

0:39:58.836 --> 0:40:03.156
<v Speaker 1>twenty five acres that's just over fourteen million square feet.

0:40:03.716 --> 0:40:06.476
<v Speaker 1>A four dollars a square foot tax comes to roughly

0:40:06.556 --> 0:40:10.996
<v Speaker 1>fifty five million dollars a year in proper taxes. Right now,

0:40:11.316 --> 0:40:15.076
<v Speaker 1>membership dues for the LACC total somewhere around twenty million

0:40:15.156 --> 0:40:18.836
<v Speaker 1>dollars a year. Under the Nazarian ballot proposal, that have

0:40:18.916 --> 0:40:23.556
<v Speaker 1>to triple their fees just to pay their property taxes. Now,

0:40:23.596 --> 0:40:26.716
<v Speaker 1>technically at all the millionaires and millionaires who belong to

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<v Speaker 1>the LA Country Club afford that, sure, But everything we

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<v Speaker 1>know about very rich people is that they don't like

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<v Speaker 1>to pay market rates for things they've previously got for free.

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<v Speaker 1>For the well heeled golfers of Beverly Hills, then this

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<v Speaker 1>is existential. In May, Nasarian put his proposal on the

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<v Speaker 1>ballot for November. Let the voters of Los Angeles decide,

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever? You must have done polling.

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<v Speaker 4>We did do polling because we wanted to not just

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<v Speaker 4>make assumptions and understand that we actually have something that

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<v Speaker 4>the public would feel strongly about. And in our initial

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<v Speaker 4>polling from a reputable polster, we saw a sixty four

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<v Speaker 4>percent approval rating. So it's pretty strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you, so that these guys had a reason to

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<v Speaker 1>be scared.

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<v Speaker 4>There Again, these are all folks that are part of

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<v Speaker 4>the fabric of the city, so they understand that something

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<v Speaker 4>like this would be seen as a populist issue and

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<v Speaker 4>would garner quite a bit of support. They understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>The country clubs freaked out. Someone I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>say who, who is a member of the LACC, forwarded

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<v Speaker 1>me an email sent to him by the club's board

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<v Speaker 1>of directors. Here's what it said. We want you to

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<v Speaker 1>know that we are taking this matter very seriously. We

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<v Speaker 1>are confident that we have the right people with the

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<v Speaker 1>right experience engaged to address this issue on our collective behalf.

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<v Speaker 1>While we won't get into specific details of our approach

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<v Speaker 1>in a broadly distributed communication, please be assured that we

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<v Speaker 1>are active and thoughtfully engaged. In case you're wondering, these

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<v Speaker 1>are all rich people euphemisms for we're going to the

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<v Speaker 1>mattresses on this one. An entire busload of white shoe

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers just pulled up downstairs. We've locked the gates. We've

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<v Speaker 1>stocked up, but enough wagu beef and forty years single

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<v Speaker 1>malt to fortify us until November. But then the email continues.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, if you have particular expertise, insight, or

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<v Speaker 1>relationships that you believe may be relevant to the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>we encourage you to reach out to our general manager,

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<v Speaker 1>which is rich people euphemism for we're totally panicking right now.

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<v Speaker 1>We wish we'd said yes to that membership application twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago from Donald Trump. So the clubs get together

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<v Speaker 1>tell Nazarian they want to negotiate. He puts the ballot

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<v Speaker 1>measure on hold. But then the second fanciest club in

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<v Speaker 1>the city, Country Club, says no, we're going to fight.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to confess that I didn't know there was

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<v Speaker 1>such a thing as a society of golf historians. But

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<v Speaker 1>there is, and they wait in. What the city of

0:43:20.956 --> 0:43:24.716
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles seems to overlook is that the preservation of

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<v Speaker 1>these clubs should be viewed in much the same way

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<v Speaker 1>we preserve great works of art. Their importance is no

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<v Speaker 1>less significant than a Frank Lloyd write home or the

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<v Speaker 1>value of a Picasso painting. The artists behind them are

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<v Speaker 1>equally important, and their canvas is a living, breathing landscape

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<v Speaker 1>that requires stewardship, investment, and at times thoughtful restoration. The

0:43:52.196 --> 0:43:55.476
<v Speaker 1>tabloids get wind of the story. It makes page six.

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter blows up. My friend emails me again. They are

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<v Speaker 1>throwing their nine irons at me at the LACC. It's chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>It's rich white guy on rich white guy violence. But

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<v Speaker 1>play with me for a moment. Last time I was

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<v Speaker 1>in La I went to the top of I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see La Country Club from high up. So I

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<v Speaker 1>went to the top of the Waldorf, that little restaurant there,

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<v Speaker 1>and looked down and said, this is an astonishing piece

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<v Speaker 1>of property. And if they came back to you, to

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<v Speaker 1>suppose I was thinking, what all the things? I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>they came back and said, all right, they have two

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<v Speaker 1>parcels on either side of Wiltshire, right, am I? Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>What if they said, okay, we'll give you one of

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<v Speaker 1>those parcels for a park if you let us keep

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<v Speaker 1>the other for our country club.

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<v Speaker 4>Who says no, Well, I like how you're thinking, and

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<v Speaker 4>if this is a precursor to how the negotiations go,

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<v Speaker 4>then that's a good place to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Why you're doing this negotiation kind of make a personal request.

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<v Speaker 4>Please.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole I think experience in the in the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing that got me going on this is

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<v Speaker 1>I would stay with a friend of mine in Brentwood

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<v Speaker 1>and go running around the Breadwood country Club on that

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<v Speaker 1>little narrow, rocky gravel path that is between the fence

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<v Speaker 1>of the Red Country Club and the street. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would always say, they have whatever three hundred acres and

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<v Speaker 1>there's no one on there three hundred acres and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being forced to run this narrow track all I want.

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<v Speaker 1>Can they just move their fence, Audrey? Could they just

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<v Speaker 1>move their fence in three feet so that the runners

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<v Speaker 1>of Brentwood would have a nice path as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>running on like a thig of rocks. Can you make it?

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<v Speaker 1>Just say just say Malcolm wants you to move your

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<v Speaker 1>fence in three feet and we can talk.

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<v Speaker 4>But it couldn't my favorite. We'll name it the Malcolm Path.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where we are, dear listeners, A revolt on

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<v Speaker 1>the verdant greens of Los Angeles, sparked by yours truly

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<v Speaker 1>in combination with a city council member who is now

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<v Speaker 1>my hero. And next time you're in Los Angeles and

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<v Speaker 1>happen to drive by any of those fancy golf clubs

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<v Speaker 1>Lacc bel Air, Brentwood, Hilcrest, Lakeside, lower your window, raise

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<v Speaker 1>your middle finger, honk your horn, and shout out. I

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<v Speaker 1>stand with Babel and mis Arian mother. And if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>ever tells you the truth cannot be spoken to power,

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<v Speaker 1>you should answer, actually, that's not true. May I direct

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<v Speaker 1>you to Season two, Episode ten of Revisionist History. Revisionist

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<v Speaker 1>History is produced by Nina Bird Lawrence, Lucy Sullivan, and

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<v Speaker 1>Ben the Daphaffrey. Our editor is Karen Hikerji. Our executive

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<v Speaker 1>producer is Jacob Smith. Engineering by Nina Bird law Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 1>Special thanks to the newest member of our team, Isaac Scribner.

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<v Speaker 1>An extra special thanks to the people who worked on

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<v Speaker 1>the original A Good Walk Spoiled Meil LaBelle, Julia Barton,

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<v Speaker 1>Camille Baptiste and Stephanie Daniel. Original music by Luis Gerra,

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<v Speaker 1>Sound design and mastering by Marcelo di'alivera. I'm Malcolm Gladwell.