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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Inside hell h E double

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Speaker 1: l horrific new body cam video emerging inside the Brian

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Speaker 1: Coburger murder scene, and it reveals the truth, The truth

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Speaker 1: of what happened that night when four beautiful University Idaho

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Speaker 1: students were slaughtered in their own beds. The truth that

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Speaker 1: apparently the elected district attorney did not want us to

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Speaker 1: see before he worked a secret plea deal with Coburger.

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Speaker 1: This as we learn tonight, Coburger tries desperately to sell

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Speaker 1: his car after he goes online and reads reports that

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Speaker 1: white Alantra has been identified near the crime scene. We

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Speaker 1: find out about damning searches on Coburger's phone where he

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Speaker 1: searched for wiretap and psyched copaths. Paranoid, he goes back

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Speaker 1: and forth in the Moscow PD website to learn the

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Speaker 1: auto detailing when they realized they're onto his Elantra. Ten

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Speaker 1: minutes later, he's online shopping for a new car. I mean,

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Speaker 1: is he Grace? This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: At Emerson went up stairs.

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Speaker 3: She see random series and I call your name.

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, it's just so much worse than the

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Speaker 1: elected district attorney. Let on, did you just hear We're

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Speaker 1: gonna play all this for you to hear and see

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Speaker 1: for yourselves. But Scott Morgan, join me, Scott, did you

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Speaker 1: hear what she said? Kelly went upstairs and started screaming,

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Speaker 1: there's somebody in her room. That's a lot different than

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Speaker 1: what we were told. Like it was a silent night

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Speaker 1: I'm here to help you. This is a lot different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really granular. When you begin to see this

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Speaker 4: and you suddenly realize the horror that all of these

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Speaker 4: kids have experienced at that moment time, You know, you

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Speaker 4: go back in time and there have been a lot

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Speaker 4: of questions about, well, why didn't they call this in,

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Speaker 4: Why didn't they call it? Why did they delay? Nancy?

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Speaker 4: This almost looks like the fog of war. When I

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Speaker 4: It goes back to an old statement I always make,

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Speaker 4: always having to understand the abnormal in the context of

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Speaker 4: the normal. This home that they lived in together, the

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Speaker 4: space that they shared, has absolutely been rocked. They've discovered

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Speaker 4: taken place. I don't know about you, I would probably

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Speaker 1: Guys. I want to play the video. I want to

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Speaker 1: see it and I hear it. I want to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Listen for sure?

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Speaker 2: Yeap where share or ship? Yes, we're here here.

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Speaker 5: You gotta call that, you know, the s wepst normal

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Speaker 6: And I can't be easy agreeing that she's and I

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Speaker 7: It's as premiere's there's two take.

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Speaker 1: Buddies straight out to Sydney, Sumner joining US Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter on the case Sydney. What we're hearing is

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Speaker 1: the officer who arrives at the scene. There are four

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Speaker 1: I just came to check in here and this is

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Speaker 8: Yes, this is the absolute first response to this home

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Speaker 1: So it's just horrifying. Oh God, oh dear Lord in heaven,

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Speaker 1: you know. Chris mcdonnah joining menditioned Jesscott Morgan Chris McDonagh,

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Speaker 1: director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, hundreds hundreds of

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Speaker 1: homicides under his belt, Star off the interview room on YouTube. Chris,

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Speaker 1: you've been on this case all over it since the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Victims and the witnesses like standing out in a cold

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Speaker 1: Chris mcdone, I bet you've come up on so many

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Speaker 9: And of course the officer there is responding from the

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Speaker 9: But as you get near the door, you see one

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Speaker 1: Chrissy just says something that really gutted me. Look at

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, he just said something that really struck a nerve.

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Speaker 1: And guys, we've got so much to play, but this

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Speaker 1: You look and you look at it, and you look

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Speaker 5: What is that, well, Nancy, just a moment before he

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Speaker 5: love what Joe Scott Morgan said, like the fog of war.

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Speaker 1: All I'm sorry to cut you off, but just what

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Speaker 1: I can hardly contain it. And there he is whining

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Speaker 1: holding themselves. All of this is nonverbal communication responding to

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Speaker 1: And you know another thing, Sydney Sumner with me, Sydney,

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Speaker 8: Yes, Coberger's defense team was at some point looking at

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Speaker 1: Greg Morse is joining me. Veteran defense attorney, founder of

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Speaker 1: Morse Legal, author of the Untested on Amazon, is at

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Speaker 1: Morse legal dot com. I guess in your world, the

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Speaker 1: Greg Morse defense attorney world, that's what you do. You

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Speaker 1: look for somebody to blame. Even though you may suspect

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Speaker 1: sop standard operating procedure. It could be an ex boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: It could be a current boyfriend. It could be this

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Speaker 1: Let's blame him. That's the way it works, right, Morse,

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Speaker 1: tell the truth.

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Speaker 10: Well, so when you're looking at these cases, the defense

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Speaker 10: looked at this and they saw that two of the roommates,

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Speaker 10: is there is the evidence, you know, there that we could.

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Speaker 11: Suggest that other people were involved?

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Speaker 10: I mean and and I think the evidence when you're

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Speaker 9: So, so, there's nothing wrong with them.

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Speaker 1: He did I'm guilty. That's one thing that you could say. Okay, Morse,

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Speaker 11: But he did that.

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Speaker 2: He did that.

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Speaker 1: Can I get you? Can I just move you forward

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Speaker 1: to the next that we've got so much Listen to this, guys,

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Speaker 2: Let me secure the outside first.

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Speaker 7: That there's ana trio going to start taking it off,

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Speaker 12: I remember I was in my room, can I turning

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Speaker 12: I heard a screen and she ran downstairs because she

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it all seemingly happened a lot faster

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Speaker 1: That's not what happened at all, Doctor Bethany Marshall. What

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Speaker 5: It's like this is cosplay as a mouse murderer. Right

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Speaker 5: In some ways, he's embodied this role for so many years.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Chris mcdonna, You and I have

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Speaker 11: I mean, think about this.

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Speaker 9: This is the largest murder at that time in Idaho,

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Speaker 9: This is an officer who has slow things down. He's

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Speaker 1: Chris McDonald, watch this through all the me.

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Speaker 7: That form year there, Sam Samiana is the girl in

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Speaker 2: he doesn't. He lives here a lot.

438
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Speaker 12: And then there's Natty Morgan and Katy up talk. I

439
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Speaker 12: don't know where they're at now.

440
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Speaker 1: Jess Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,

441
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon and Starma

442
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: Hit podcast body bags, which is Scott Morgan Jo Scott.

443
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Speaker 1: He the officer immediately zoned in on Ethan. Ethan as

444
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Speaker 1: a male. He lives here because this is well, I'd say,

445
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: obviously statistically obviously a man did it, so he's zoned

446
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: right in there. But my point is you're hearing Dylan

447
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: Mortenson as she's clutching a blanket around her, sounds like

448
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: she thinks Ethan is still alive. She says he doesn't

449
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: actually live here. He's in the room with Xana, I believe.

450
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: So she's talking like he's still alive.

451
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and she has no way to validate that. Again,

452
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 4: going back to this idea, you know, it's like she's

453
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 4: been it's like she's been punched in the face. At

454
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 4: this point in time, she's so stunned because this is

455
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Speaker 4: unlike anything else they've ever seen before. There and also

456
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Speaker 4: there's this realization that's creeping in. I've seen this actually

457
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Speaker 4: happen at crom scenes where people as it begins to

458
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 4: kind of the tempo kind of slows down, they suddenly

459
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 4: suddenly have this awareness, those that are survivors that they

460
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: were actually in a house where a mass event like

461
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Speaker 4: this took place. A mass murder took place, and suddenly

462
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 4: that's beginning to trickle into their brain, and again that

463
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 4: makes them sometimes rather shocky when you're going to go

464
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 4: talk to them and you've got all of this data

465
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: that's coming into their brain and trying to get information

466
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Speaker 4: out of them. This officer is very calm. I love

467
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Speaker 4: the way he kind of has this very kind of

468
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 4: kind affect or kind voice pattern where he's speaking to them.

469
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Speaker 4: He's very warm. He's not trying to push her in

470
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: any way. You just let them talk. The best way

471
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: you can get information out of somebody is to shut

472
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Speaker 4: your mouth and listen to them, and you kind of

473
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Speaker 4: gently direct them along the way because this is something

474
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Speaker 4: that is so incredibly traumatic for them.

475
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Speaker 1: City Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter. I don't believe it

476
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Speaker 1: this juncture, they have any idea that everyone is lying

477
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: dead in there, because she says, I don't know where they're.

478
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Speaker 8: At though, Yeah, that's Dylan speaking to an officer about

479
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 8: Kaylee and Maddie specifically. I don't know where they're at.

480
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 8: So Dylan and Bephany aren't even sure those girls are home,

481
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 8: so they have no idea that anyone is hurt injured,

482
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 8: dead except for Xanna, and yeah, they are just completely

483
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 8: out of the loop here, and later Hunter Johnson speaking

484
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 8: with authorities again, he's upset that he's the only one

485
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Speaker 8: that knows what's happening.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she actually thought Xanna had passed out from

487
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Speaker 1: the night partying. You know, you're right, Sidney at this juncture,

488
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Speaker 1: And why do you say that said that they don't

489
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Speaker 1: know what happened.

490
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Speaker 8: Web you'se girls wake up after hearing this scary event

491
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Speaker 8: last night, and there's even some confusion about what happened.

492
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Speaker 8: So at one point Bethany described hearing what she thought

493
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Speaker 8: was a firework. So it's almost four in the morning.

494
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 8: All of her roommates have come home from different parties,

495
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Speaker 8: different events, and she thinks they're just drunk and messing around,

496
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Speaker 8: and somebody set off a firework in the house. So

497
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Speaker 8: they don't really know what happened. They're a little bit

498
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Speaker 8: scared because no one's answering their phones. They're trying to

499
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Speaker 8: call them to just be like, Hey, I'm trying to

500
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 8: go to sleep, can y'all be quiet? Nobody's answering, so

501
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 8: that kind of freaks them out. And then Dylan sees

502
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Speaker 8: this guy that she doesn't recognize, so she runs down

503
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Speaker 8: to Bethany's room and at that point, in the dark

504
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 8: running through the house, that's when she sees Xana on

505
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Speaker 8: the ground. And at this point nothing seems that out

506
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 8: of the ordinary. Xanna without drinking, so baby Xanna is

507
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 8: just passed out and she's sleeping in kind of a

508
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 8: weird position, but Dylan doesn't really think anything of it.

509
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 8: When she's running down to Bethany's room and the girls

510
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Speaker 8: in the room now feeling a little bit safer since

511
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Speaker 8: they have each other, they not off to sleep. It's

512
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 8: very very late, so in the morning, they still can't

513
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 8: get anyone on the phone. They don't know what's going on.

514
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 8: They contact a friend to maybe come check the house

515
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 8: for them, and that friend is saying, hey, we need

516
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 8: to call nine one one, something is wrong here, and

517
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 8: other than that, they have no idea what's going on.

518
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 8: The girl did not see any of the crime scene

519
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 8: was surviving victims. They didn't see anything of what went

520
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 8: on there. That's the officer's first question to Dylan when

521
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 8: he really starts interviewing her, how much of that did

522
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 8: you see? And she goes, how much of what? Nothing?

523
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 8: I didn't see anything, so she's they're trying to get

524
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 8: more information out of these officers, but they are keeping

525
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Speaker 8: things very close to the chest, and the girls don't

526
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Speaker 8: know what's going on.

527
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Speaker 7: All right, just try to describe the guy that you fall.

528
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Speaker 7: I don't think.

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Speaker 12: I couldn't really say much of him, but she's I'm

530
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 12: almost positive he's wearing a full back outfit, and he

531
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Speaker 12: had this mask that was just over his forehead and

532
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 12: over his nose, and he didn't say anything to me, Like,

533
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 12: I don't know. I just shut the door and locked

534
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 12: it because I didn't know what to do. And I

535
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 12: think he went out like the side door of the

536
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Speaker 12: sliding door in the kitchen that goes up to the backyard.

537
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 12: And then I didn't know anything else. I called, you know,

538
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 12: I was like, I'd just had an downstairs and find

539
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 12: me because I don't know where anyone else is. And

540
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 12: I called Maddie, I called Danna, I called Katie nor

541
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Speaker 12: what answers it?

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Speaker 1: Let's hear more of what Dylan Mortenson said that morning.

543
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Speaker 2: I heard her screaming and run like, run as fast

544
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Speaker 2: as she could downstairs, and she said someone's here. She

545
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: ranas yes, I could hear you can.

546
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 12: Hear everything, and I'm sure I heard her run downstairs

547
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 12: only fast, and then I heard Murphy parking a lot, okay,

548
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 12: and then I heard her going to the back. I

549
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 12: think there's the bathroom, and i'm her sobbing and asking

550
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 12: this guy's voice. I've been recognizing you're gonna.

551
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: Be okay, to hold you. But it wasn't like, I

552
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: don't know how to.

553
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Explain it like.

554
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Speaker 2: It wasn't in like a nice way. It was like

555
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: a weird way. It's a weird tue.

556
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Speaker 7: You're gonna be okay. I'm gonna help you.

557
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

558
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 13: And you didn't hear anything from Taylor anymore.

559
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Speaker 1: Joscott Morgan, that is it leaves me speechless. She says, yes,

560
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: I can hear. You can hear everything. I heard her

561
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Speaker 1: run downstairs really fast, and I heard Murphy Murphy barking

562
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: a lot. She said someone's here, and I heard her

563
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: going to the bathroom, her sobbing. I mean, think about it,

564
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: Joe Scott, make yourself think about it. Follow it through

565
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: to its logical conclusion. She was sobbing and she hears

566
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: the guy say you're gonna be okay. Had she already

567
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: been stabbed a couple of times she was in there sobbing,

568
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: not dealing with killing sobbing. Why is she crying? And

569
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Speaker 1: she says the voice was not an unquote nice way.

570
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: It was a weird way. I'm going to help you black.

571
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and not surprising. Hey, there's one more point here

572
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 4: where we can kind of validate this. Nancy. Do you

573
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 4: remember when the CCTV that new batch was dropped where

574
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 4: we see the car going around, going around, going around.

575
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 4: Do you remember you can hear the dog barking, and

576
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: I mean it's like at a high pitch. And some

577
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 4: people have stated, and I think Chris has kind of

578
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: talked about this a little bit, where you can see

579
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 4: you can hear some other sound in this that sounds

580
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: almost like a person crying out or making you know

581
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: that in pain or whatever it is. But you can

582
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 4: hear Murphy is going nuts. I believe that that's Murphy,

583
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 4: and that might validate what Dylan is saying here at

584
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 4: this point. So you've got these two points along the

585
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 4: way where you can go back and try to demand

586
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: the timeline. You can understand what she's saying, and all

587
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 4: these pieces are starting to fit together, whereas before it's

588
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: just been total confusion. So you couple this with the

589
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 4: CCTV images that we have that you guys are showing

590
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: right now, and you couple that with Dylan's statement, it

591
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 4: becomes even more powerful.

592
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: What kind of psychopath Dr Bethany goes in scares Kelly

593
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: like this? She's sobbing. Think make yourself imagine it. What

594
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: does she crumple down between the commode and the bathtub, hiding,

595
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: holding her hands up as he's stabbing her. She's already crying,

596
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: and Dylan, here's I'm going to help you. It's going

597
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: to be okay, but not in a nice way. And

598
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: we are fading this guy his special vegan meal. What

599
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't understand why the prosecutor did not take this

600
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: to trial. Why are we just now learning the truth

601
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: this guy. If there's gonna be a death penalty, which

602
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: is a whole other political fight, this is.

603
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Speaker 5: The one Nacy I feel discussed and distress just hearing this.

604
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 5: This poor girl, she probably was already stabbed or had

605
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 5: witnessed her friends being stabbed. She was in the middle

606
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 5: of a horror scene. She runs into the bathroom and

607
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 5: it's like it's almost like she got away for just

608
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 5: a second. And then he comes after her again, lying

609
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 5: saying he's going to help her because in his mind

610
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 5: he's doing some glorious, sexually exciting thing. He'll say whatever

611
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: it takes just to lure her back out again so

612
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 5: she doesn't die instant heeneously. She dies having witnessed something horrible,

613
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 5: having been inflicted, have cruelty inflicted on her bleeding seeing

614
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 5: the blood. We don't yet know exactly what that crime

615
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 5: scene looks like, but it made me wonder about what

616
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 5: amount of blood was in that bathroom.

617
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Speaker 1: Well, here's another thing to wonder about. To Chris mcdonna,

618
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: who has walked to the crime scene many times, Chris,

619
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Speaker 1: we know she's sobbing in the bathroom, but that's not

620
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: where her body was found, right right, Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 9: So and remember, of course, while Dylan has given this statement,

622
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 9: she's shaking. You can you see her hands, you know,

623
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Speaker 9: she she's constantly moving her hands.

624
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 7: She has that.

625
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 9: Blanket over her at this point. That's from all the

626
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 9: adrenaline that's kicking through their you know, through her body.

627
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 9: And so when she's giving the statement, she is of

628
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 9: the belief that she's hearing maybe that's Kayley, but in fact,

629
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Speaker 9: It probably turns out that that was Xanna who had

630
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 9: gone upstairs and interrupted the fantasy of Brian Kolberger. And

631
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Speaker 9: then he becomes the helper of as we talked about

632
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 9: many times on your program here, Nancy, and that methodical

633
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 9: verbiage that he uses, I'm here to help you, that

634
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 9: gives us a mindset into this animal. He is as

635
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 9: calm as a cucumber, and he.

636
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: Is actually do you see that green trash can? Isn't

637
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: that you know? Where you? Chris saw that the glove

638
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: out in the parking lot and showed the police.

639
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 9: Yes, it's right behind that trash can. Correct, And that

640
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 9: tells us about the totality of how many decisions are

641
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 9: being made rather rapidly, right, There's a lot going on here,

642
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 9: you know.

643
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Following up on what McDonough's saying, Doctor Beth, how angry

644
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: do you think it made Coburger for what we think

645
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: Xanna interrupting his sex fantasy that ends up in stabbing

646
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: the girls dead, you know.

647
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Speaker 5: Nancy, And these kinds of crime scenes upman is not

648
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 5: deposited in or on the body. Often it's in another

649
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 5: room or in the corner of the room. Because these

650
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 5: guys work themselves up into such an angry frenzy that

651
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 5: they can't even ejaculate where they want to ejaculate. So

652
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Speaker 5: when she runs into the bathroom, it's like he's watching

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Speaker 5: someone disturb his little sex scene. And when he says

654
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Speaker 5: to her, I'm going to help you, I think he's

655
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 5: so used to manipulating and lying to people, he's actually

656
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 5: even lying to himself that he's just there to do

657
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Speaker 5: some helpful thing to do.

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Speaker 7: Her a favor.

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Speaker 5: This is all consensual his wine.

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Speaker 1: Des I just can't help but wonder what the victims

661
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Speaker 1: are thinking when they see this guy. He says, I'm

662
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Speaker 1: here to help you, But he's in their home, they

663
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Speaker 1: don't know him, they've never seen him before, and he's

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Speaker 1: got a K bar. Hey, can I see Greg Morse

665
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Speaker 1: really quickly? Greg Morris, veteran trial lawyer and author.

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Speaker 7: Greg.

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to reveal any names, of course,

668
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: but you know the defense had seen all of this

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Speaker 1: bodycam video that we're just now seeing. After the plea

670
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: deals all over signed Selden delivered. Do you having seen

671
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Speaker 1: the evidence ever? L Like you're sitting there with your

672
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Speaker 1: client and you look over and you're like, I got

673
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Speaker 1: to get out of here. I can't even sit next

674
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Speaker 1: to this guy. He's so evil, But yet you managed

675
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Speaker 1: to quill that thought and carry on.

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Speaker 7: Listen.

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Speaker 10: I've represented for twenty five years people accused of murder,

678
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 10: people accused of rape of children, of adults, and every

679
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 10: type of crime. I'm defending the constitution as a defense, Lauren,

680
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 10: making sure the state follows the constitution and there's nothing improper.

681
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Speaker 11: So no, I don't get into those dilemmas.

682
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Speaker 10: But again, you have to divorce yourself from the emotion

683
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 10: of crime when you're a criminal defense lawyer as a

684
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Speaker 10: as a person.

685
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Speaker 11: So no, I've never had those feelings.

686
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Speaker 10: But I don't look at my job in defending necessarily

687
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Speaker 10: a person as much as what can the state prove?

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.

689
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: And then Nuddy.

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Speaker 7: And then Murphy's a dog, I want a side for

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Speaker 7: bed and.

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Speaker 12: Were so fecal, and then I was in my bead

693
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Speaker 12: like about to go say, and May just said that's.

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Speaker 8: It wasn't Murphy.

695
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Speaker 7: And its bed And what I'm using still see.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing Bethany Funk speaking to Moscow p D. This

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00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: is the morning after her roommates were murdered by Brian Coburger,

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Speaker 1: Sidney Summer, do you hear that. I was in my

699
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: bed about to go to sleep, and Mattie just said

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Speaker 1: that she lost Murphy, and she was like, I was

701
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: wondering if he was with me, and I just said

702
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: no and I went to bed. You see what's happening here,

703
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: all the speculation about the dog. He had been there before,

704
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: and he had befriended the dog. He knew Murphy, and

705
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: Murphy was part. Murphy the dog was part of the

706
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Speaker 1: scenario that night.

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Speaker 8: Sidney, Absolutely, I think that's exactly what we're hearing. So

708
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Speaker 8: it seems like for me personally, when I have guests

709
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Speaker 8: in my home, I locked my pets in my room

710
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Speaker 8: with me, so I think that's probably was their usual

711
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 8: go to. Mattie and Kaylee plan to lock Murphy in

712
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 8: the room with them before they went to sleep, but

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00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 8: Mattie took Murphy out, and now that she's come back inside,

714
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Speaker 8: she doesn't know where he went. She's trying to find

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Speaker 8: him so they can lay down to go to sleep.

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Speaker 8: So it's unclear if Murphy was still outside, if he

717
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Speaker 8: was just wandering somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: In the house.

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Speaker 8: Maybe he already found Coburger in their bedroom and was

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Speaker 8: speaking with him. But from what we know, it sounds

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Speaker 8: like these girls were asleep in the top room when

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Speaker 8: Coburger attacked Kayleie and Maddie.

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Speaker 1: Guys, listen to this, hey lest.

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Speaker 7: She sang this month ron for there's a guy black

725
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Speaker 7: mass was in there. She recognized him.

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Speaker 6: She and she heard her screaming upstairs. She got scared

727
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Speaker 6: and walked herself in the room and then was screaming

728
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 6: all stop. She's pretty sure this masked person.

729
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 7: Went out that back attack and not getting on the

730
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Speaker 7: information should not know what the girls out they're having

731
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Speaker 7: pulled their decease, that they just have four people that

732
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Speaker 7: are kind to kind of stork.

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Speaker 12: Okay, little bit if.

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Speaker 1: This dog going to dog just got Morgan right there.

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Speaker 1: We're hearing they're still trying to figure this thing out

736
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Speaker 1: about the dog, and we've been talking about it from

737
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Speaker 1: the very beginning. But also they say there were no footprints.

738
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Speaker 1: We also hear that they haven't told Dylan that they

739
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: don't know that they're dead. They're just saying, quote, the

740
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Speaker 1: four people are unaccounted for.

741
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of standard fair because as soon as

742
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: you do that, it's like pulling a pin on a grenade,

743
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: because they're all going to kind of decompensate at that point, Tom,

744
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 4: you're not going to be able to get them back

745
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 4: on track relative to getting information out of them. So

746
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: less is more here. You have to kind of work

747
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 4: this because keep in mind, Nancy, you're seeing these gentlemen

748
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 4: on screen right here, all right. They have no idea

749
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 4: what they're dealing with, except that they know that they

750
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 4: have four college students that have literally been butchered in

751
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Speaker 4: this residence. They can validate that in their mind. This

752
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 4: is the other thing they're thinking about, the broad concept

753
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Speaker 4: of public safety.

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Speaker 2: Where is this guy.

755
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Speaker 4: They're trying to gather as much information as they possibly

756
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Speaker 4: can to push it out there so that they do

757
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 4: it APB or whatever it is they need to do

758
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: to track this person down, because they're going to set

759
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: off a panic here.

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Speaker 1: And again, as Sydney told us earlier, we find out

761
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Speaker 1: the only one that knew what had really happened was

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Speaker 1: Hunter Johnson, the kid that has hands up over his

763
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: head in anguish. Listen to Hunter Johnson, got you're here.

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Speaker 7: Man, Thank you, someone to hang out here.

765
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Speaker 6: I just want to know this going on.

766
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.

767
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 13: How much I'm wanting to disclose right now, we're we're

768
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 13: processing what's going on in the scene.

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Speaker 2: As soon as we know for sure we can tell

770
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Speaker 2: you guys what's going on, We absolutely will.

771
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Speaker 7: I know it sucks to be in the dark with this.

772
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 7: But okay, and what's your what's your relationship again?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, I mean as soon as soon as I

774
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: know we're able to fill you in.

775
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Speaker 6: On what's going on, we'll we'll let you know, okay, okayks,

776
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Speaker 6: So you guys watching Vampire Diaries out in this main

777
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 6: the second level, okay, and then for how long.

778
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 7: I don't know, men, not anything for the club, and.

779
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Speaker 2: Then we all have.

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Speaker 7: So Maddie.

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Speaker 2: And Kaylee.

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Speaker 7: We're at the club, you know, you know how long.

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Speaker 13: And they were there closing at least I don't know.

784
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Speaker 7: They went to.

785
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 13: Okay, and then they came home at about what time?

786
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Speaker 13: It's okay, you're doing great. So they did get home

787
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Speaker 13: at two?

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Speaker 7: How do you know that?

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Speaker 1: So they're all sitting around watching Vampire Diaries. Some of

790
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: the girls go out, they come back in, they're talking,

791
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Speaker 1: they'll start going to bed. What does this mean? Sydney summer?

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00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: Bethany says, how do The cop says, how do you know?

793
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Speaker 1: It's around two, and she says, I just have a

794
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Speaker 1: picture of Kelly's room with Murphy. What does that mean?

795
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Speaker 1: Did they take selfie or something?

796
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Speaker 8: That's what I would assume. That's what that means to me.

797
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 8: So she said, I know that they were home at

798
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Speaker 8: this time because I have a photo with Murphy at

799
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Speaker 8: this time. So it's an approximation, but that would be

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Speaker 8: my assumption she took a photo with Murphy, or she

801
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 8: took a photo of Murphy and using that timespamp she

802
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 8: determined when they got home.

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Speaker 1: All of this being released as we learn of damning

804
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: searches Coburger made on his phone and devices. Once he

805
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: finds out as he frantically visits the Moscow PD site

806
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: that if white A launtra has been seen, he looks

807
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: up detailing for his car. He immediately goes online and

808
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: starts trying to sell his car. So damning all of this,

809
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: A jury will never see a jury, we'll never hear

810
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: no wonder. The Gonsalvast family is so angry about this.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice continues to unfold. Nancy Grace signing off,

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00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,