1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: All right, it's episode number two. Is Splash Hit our 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: new show here on follow Territory Network. Subscribe to Splash 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Hit Territory on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Susan Slusser, frequent contributor, My friend is back for show 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: number two. Susan, what's going on? 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: Not a lot glad to be here again. For people 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: that didn't listen to the first show, first of all, 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: go back and listen to it. Why didn't you? Second? 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: Explaining very quickly, I spend like the first month of 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: the off season in London, so that's where I am 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: right now. If things look a little dark. It's a 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: lot later here than you are in beautiful California, though 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: it sounds a little stormy today. 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: A little stormy, and I have to get up early 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: to do this because we have like an eight hour 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: time difference, so I have bags under my eyes. It's 17 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: a little dark where you're at right now, but we'll 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: figure it out and get it done. It was fun 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: to do in the first show, and we got a 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: lot of great responds on Twitter. I think people were 21 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: excited that the Giants have a new show on the 22 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: File Territory Network. So a lot of clicks, a lot 23 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: of views. We're gonna have a lot of big guests. 24 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: We're just trying to hit the ground running. You and 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: I get a rhythm together, and then we're going after 26 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: the big fish. We're gonna have big guests on here, 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be fun to talk to some of 28 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: the bigger people in Giants Land. 29 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that you know, I hope that might be 30 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: when I the days where my schedule does not permit me, 31 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: So you might have some amazing people. But I hope 32 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: that maybe we can save some of the if we 33 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: if you land a super big fish, I hope maybe 34 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: I can sneak into the studio on one of those. 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: So we'll see what we got coming up first here. 36 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: Well, we just run down the show real quick. Bruce 37 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: Bochie's back in the fold. You had a great article 38 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: with Greg Johnson, a little Q and A. So there's 39 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: a lot of Giants news for our second show, but 40 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: I think the number one is Boach's back man. And 41 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: when you talk about a manager that doesn't have a 42 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: lot of or zero professional experience, I mean, what a 43 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: resource to have Dusty Baker and Bruce Bochie around. Tony 44 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 1: Vitello Yeah. 45 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: I was so delighted when Greg Johnson mentioned just sort 46 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: of in passing the other days, like, oh wait, it 47 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: hasn't been announced yet, but you know, things are kind 48 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: of progressing here with Bruce Bochi and it makes so 49 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: much sense, not just for Tony Vitello, but oh my gosh, 50 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: what a resource. Four time World Series Champion manager? Are 51 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: you kidding to bounce things off along with Dusty Baker, 52 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: but also for Buster. I mean, Bochi was his manager 53 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: almost his entire career, so he you know, he's a 54 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: guy he can take anbjective opinion coming from another organization, 55 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: the Rangers, and come in kind of with fresh eyes 56 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: and really just be a resource for everybody, but especially 57 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 2: right now the two most important people in the organization 58 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 2: in Buster Posey and Tony Vitello. So I mean, there's, 59 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: of course there's no downside to having Bruce Bochi around, 60 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: and for the media, we love it. Let's get Boacha 61 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: on sometime. 62 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: Wicked Boatcha and Tony Vtello's in the works as we speak, 63 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: so the word is out that we're trying to get 64 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: him on this podcast. But Susan, when you talk about 65 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: having people around the organization, as resources. I've been with 66 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: organizations where they just pay a guy to stand in 67 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: the corner and maybe talk to a few reporters and 68 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: shake hands with some fans, and you keep like legends around. 69 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: I remember my time with the Yankees. They participated in 70 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: spring training. It was a lot like the Giants this year. 71 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: Ron Guidry was throwing me batting practice, and then I 72 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: went to the cage and Don Maddenley's doing flips to me, 73 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: and all I can think of as Don thinks my 74 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: swing sucks. He must be laughing at me right now, 75 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: because he's one of the best hitters ever. We'll get 76 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: to Doc Matting in a little bit when we get 77 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame discussion. But to have these 78 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: guys around and then to use them not just figureheads 79 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: in a wax museum of great giants managers of the past, 80 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: but we're talking about Hall of Fame managers. Dusty Baker's 81 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame manager. Obviously, Bruce Bochi's a Hall 82 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: of Fame manager. We could do a whole show on 83 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: how I think Felipe Alou is a Hall of Fame 84 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: manager too. So to organizations head back to back to back, 85 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: Hall of fame managers, but to have those guys around 86 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: for Tony Bytello and end game, you're on your own, baby, 87 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: the training wheels are off. You got to make the 88 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: decisions real time. But like maybe after the game to 89 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: open a bottle of wine in his office or get 90 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: there early and say, you know, what would you have 91 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: done differently last night? And all of a sudden, you 92 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: know that experience helps. And I think, I don't know 93 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: if you have similar experiences as being a writer starting 94 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: out and having mentors, but you know I have some 95 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: as a player and as a broadcaster where if I 96 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: didn't have those people, I wouldn't be here today. 97 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. I think it's really important 98 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: to have just have somebody who's been through it before. 99 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: But even more so in a job like manager, there 100 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: are very specific situations that crop up, and sometimes ones 101 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: nobody's seen before. You're rarely going to have a situation 102 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: that Bruce Bochi has not run into at one port 103 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: or another. 104 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: It's great, it's great. It'll just be great to have 105 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: boats around. From a selfish standpoint, I've missed him when 106 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: I came back to San Francisco. We'd sit together in 107 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: the games, probably right by you. And I got to 108 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: know Boch a lot better than I did when he 109 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: was the manager and I was just doing the pre 110 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: and post game. So excited to have him back. I'm 111 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: also excited about your interview with Greg Johnson, Giant's owner, 112 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: and it was in the chronicle, and you talked about 113 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: a number of things, and the article is getting a 114 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: little bit of play too. Fans are kind of dissecting 115 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: what he said to you. And anytime he talks about 116 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: things and says anything about payroll or anything about Dodgers, 117 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: it's obviously in the news. But you talked about him 118 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: with Tony Vitello, the hiring, the off season needs. So 119 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: maybe just break that down a little bit. How'd that 120 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: conversation go? Was it? Was it a friendly conversation or 121 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: was it all business? 122 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: Like? 123 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: Take us behind the scenes a little bit. Yeah. 124 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: Greg is always good to deal with. You know, we 125 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: try to talk at least once a year, and I 126 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: like doing it in a Q and A format, so 127 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: it's really transparent. You know what we talked about, how 128 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: he sort of approached his answers, you know what we 129 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: delved into. We talked for so long. I actually had 130 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: to cut quite a bit of it for space, and 131 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: then I wound up doing something I almost never do 132 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: and reordered it to start off with the bochie stuff 133 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: because that was such an interesting bit and very exciting 134 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 2: bit of news. But some of the highlights I'll tell 135 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: you are really that Bruce that Greg Johnson is happy 136 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: to go over the threshold, the tax threshold, so that 137 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: one eighty five million payroll right now that could go up. 138 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: He sees them going after at least one or two 139 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: veteran starters, but he was pretty clear that would be 140 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: probably somebody on a shorter term deal. So that yeah, yeah, 141 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: sure's are makes the most obvious choice. You know, I 142 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: really like Verlander, but you're not going to get both 143 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: of them on the same team. This is not a 144 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 2: retread of the Tigers, I don't think, But yeah, were 145 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: they I don't I think that that's I think that's 146 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: probably going to get one or the other. But sureser 147 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: would be fun. You know, you cover one, have one 148 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer to follow and then another one in 149 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: the next year. That would be who wouldn't love that? 150 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: So that would be super fun. But he had really 151 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: positive things to say about Tony Vitella, of course, but 152 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: he said kind of like all of us. When Buster 153 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: Posey first brought up the name, he was a little 154 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: sort of you know, he had to google him, and 155 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: then he immediately called a bunch of people he knew 156 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: who'd gone to Tennessee to to gauge their reaction. Of course, 157 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: you talked to somebody from Tennessee and the reactions are 158 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: just off the charts positive. So he thought, okay, well 159 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: this is interesting. And then as things started progressing, and 160 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: then he talked to Tony Vitello, I think all you 161 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: have to do is he's talked to Tony Vitello and 162 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: get like a really genuine sense of him. And he thought, 163 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: you know, this guy isn't just you know, it's not 164 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: smoke and mirrors. And he mentioned that Dwayne Kuiper had 165 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: said to him after the press conference. I thought this 166 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: was this guy might be just like kind of a 167 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: really good bser, but that was really genuine And you know, 168 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: Dwayn Kuiper seen an awful lot of press conferences and 169 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: done a lot of interviews and he played the game. 170 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: So for him to say that that kind of kind 171 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: of tells you this isn't just a big personality who 172 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: who knows how to charm people their substance there. 173 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: I think there's an interesting quote from Greg in there 174 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: about like you could hire a third base coach or 175 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: a bench coach, or a pitching coach or somebody that's 176 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: been around the game and you know whatever with that, 177 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: like it's their time to be a manager. But it 178 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: took a lot of for lack of better word, guts 179 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: to go out and hire somebody with no experience to 180 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: be the manager of the San Francisco Giants. And I 181 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: just think the way he was behind it, the way 182 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: he worded it too, about he's a winner and he's 183 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: been successful before and he's won before, where maybe a 184 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: third base coach or somebody that has never man is 185 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: doesn't have that same resume of winning. Maybe they're part 186 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: of it, but they haven't been driving the ship. They're 187 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: not the head person. And Tony's done that before, and 188 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: he said that was very attractive to him. 189 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that the you know, first of all, ultimately, 190 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: and Greg was very clear about this, This was Buster 191 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: Posey's decision, you know, but of course ownership does need 192 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: to be behind it. And Greg mentioned not once but 193 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: twice that the contract. The contract did kind of take 194 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: them a little bit by surprise. They were like, wait, 195 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: can we even get them? Like this is this guy's 196 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: making a lot of money and you know that's and 197 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: you know what, I brought along some visual aids so 198 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: just to just to you know, tooth the chronicles horn 199 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: a little, let's let's give you a little taste of 200 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: what it looked like today. That's online, and I think 201 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: at some point soon this story so as have Chronicle 202 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: dot Com. At some point I think it will be well, 203 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: it will be in the paper, but a good chance, 204 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: I think in the Sunday Paper, which every sports writer 205 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: was you know, it's kind of the the dream is 206 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: to have it be in the Sunday Sports section. So anyway, 207 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: that's that's kind of what it looks like on our 208 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: website right now. You want to run out and check 209 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: it out. The whole thing, which is quite long, I 210 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: hope will be in the Sunday Paper. 211 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: Podcast. 212 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I am. I'm trying to you know, 213 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to try to throw in a few little 214 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: chronicle things here and there because nice enough to say 215 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: that I can be a frequent guest with you, and 216 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: which was very kind of them, so so it's super fun. 217 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, then mentioned twice of the of the contract. 218 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: Did kind of make my ears perk up. But you know, 219 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: they did what it took to get him, and then 220 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: they thought, yeah, maybe he's got a pretty good situation. 221 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: He might not leave. That's remember that couple of days 222 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: when everybody was saying, what's happening, Why hasn't this happened? 223 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: That that's exactly what happening. You know, he was really 224 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: weighing a lot of things and ultimately chose the giants. 225 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: I think that speaks to his character, you know. And 226 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: I had a little inside information. I won't name names, 227 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: but you know when the negotiations were getting down to 228 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: the nitty gritty where it was either you're in or 229 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: you're not, that there was kind of a somber attitude there, 230 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: and I said that I like that. And I think 231 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this off off the show, 232 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: where if he just said peace out, Tennessee, I'm a 233 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: big league manager. Thanks for the memories. But the fact 234 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: that he had to think about that, and I don't 235 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: think it had anything to do with money I had. 236 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: I think he just talking to him a little bit 237 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: after the press conference and hanging out with him that day. 238 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: He loved it there. He loved everything about it. He'd 239 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: loved where he lived, working with young kids, recruiting kids, 240 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: going into homes, talking to parents, teaching, teaching boys how 241 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: to be men and be accountable and to be winning players. 242 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: And there's gonna be a lot of aspects at the 243 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: major league level that are similar, but there's also going 244 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: to be some you're not I mean, these are grown 245 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: ass men with like long hair and beards. You know 246 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: that that doesn't happen in college, so it's gonna be 247 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: a little different than that. But just just seeing the 248 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: inside of it that he was a little bit sad 249 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: leaving Tennessee that I like that because you see you 250 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: see whatever college coaches all the time, Lane Kiffin. We 251 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: can name some football coaches that just bounce around and 252 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: they're in a new place every time, and you're like, wait, what, 253 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: you just left all these kids hanging and left their 254 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: families hanging, and now you're at a new school for 255 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: more money. I don't think this was that for Tony 256 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: and the fact that he was like kind of somber 257 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: and sad before he flipped the page now he's San Francisco, 258 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: he's a Giants manager. Full go here. But like if 259 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: you'd just up and left, I think that would have 260 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: been weird. 261 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I also, as I asked 262 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: Craig a little bit, like to evaluate Buster in his 263 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 2: first year. And again, so this is some of this 264 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: stuff I think was termed a little bit for length. 265 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: But you know, the big swing that's been kind of 266 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: the thing that that we've all I mean, of course 267 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: it's the first thing you notice, but the fact that 268 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: he's willing to take the big swing but is very 269 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: accountable for everything, and he really is take you know, 270 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: he's cast in a wide net when in terms of 271 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: getting information behind the scenes, I think ownership's really happy 272 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: it's Buster Posey of course are happy, but I think 273 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: it goes well beyond like this is a franchise icon 274 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: for us. This is a guy who I think they 275 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: really feel like, if you need a little bit of 276 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: a shakeup, this is a guy who's going to get 277 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: that done. If he doesn't, he said, I think twice, 278 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: if he doesn't, If Buster doesn't like something, he is 279 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 2: going to take action. 280 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: So like that, I hope, I hope he likes our 281 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: podcast Buster. I hope you like our podcast. We're gonna 282 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: try to get Buster on here. I'll say this season, 283 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: I've talked about it on K and BR a lot. 284 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: I think his first year in the position he's in 285 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: President Baseball Operations, and you and I have talked during 286 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: games about this is an a plus. And I know 287 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: there was a lot of criticism over the airwaves or 288 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: on social media about some of the things that did 289 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: or did not happen during the year. And I actually 290 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: took calls Firebuster posey on Cambi or I'm like, if 291 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: you come on this station and you call in and 292 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: you say Firebuster posey, a lot of people listen. You're 293 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: telling everybody you know absolutely nothing about baseball. So the 294 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: way he handled it, the humbleness, the willing to learn, 295 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: the asking questions, did what was your takeaway from the 296 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: game today? What do you think about this? And he 297 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: just didn't come in and make all these wholesale changes 298 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: right away. I don't like this. I don't like that 299 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: the manager's fired. This guy's re dfa that he just 300 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: sat back, listened, learned in a very humble, accountable manner, 301 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: and he knew that, you know, he needed to learn, 302 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: but the willingness in his position to be able to 303 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: do that. And then okay, season's over. I don't like this, 304 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't like that, and I don't like this, and 305 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make some changes. The trades he made for 306 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: Devers and signing a Damis and the guys we got 307 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: for Tyler Rodgers that proved to be valuable, Drew Gilbert 308 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: and some people we haven't even seen yet. So all 309 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: in all, yeah, eighty one and eighty one not what 310 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: Buster imagined, but it was a foundation year. He laid 311 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: the foundation. And foundations aren't sexy. Have you ever walked 312 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: into somebody's beautiful home and said, oh my god, I 313 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: love your foundation. No, you like your kitchen's beautiful? Oh 314 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: my god, look at your pool. Nobody ever says the 315 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: foundation is beautiful. Foundations aren't sexy, but they're the most 316 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: important part of a home. They're the most important part 317 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: of a relationship. They're the most important part if you're 318 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: running a pro sports franchise. 319 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hey, you're down there in that part of 320 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: San Francisco where foundations are extra important because a couple 321 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: of those condo buildings have gone a little funky and 322 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: I'm in Myrtle Heights, where we love a good foundation. Yeah, 323 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: I think with Star, the fans that have been unhappy, 324 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: the ones that you're getting calls from, the ones that 325 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: I've gotten responses from on social media. A lot of 326 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: it's hindsight, right, because you look at especially trading Rogers 327 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: and Dove. All the Giants suddenly get hot after that, 328 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: and everybody was like, why do you tried trade two 329 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: of the You know, they were really in the doldrums 330 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: when he traded those guys. Those were the right try. 331 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: Devors was the right move at the time. Didn't work 332 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: sometimes that happens. Trading those two relievers at that time 333 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: was the right move, and he caught a haul for 334 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: both those guys. But I mean especially Tyler Rogers, who 335 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: could very well be back this offseason. So anyway, what 336 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: what else is it going on in Giants news? Uh? Well, 337 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: a little decision right this week. 338 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: I was heartbroken to see that forever Giant Tom Murphy 339 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: was let go. Yeah, it was walked past twice in 340 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: spring training. I saw him have a pass ball in 341 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: Philadelphia against Peace with Trey Turner on second and it 342 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 1: was a strike and he missed it. And he jogged 343 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: back to the backstop. But I'm on the air and 344 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: I can't talk because Joe Ritzo is talking. I just 345 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: shook the table. Sorry, I'm on the Italian. I talked 346 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: with my hands. I'm on the air, and I'm like, 347 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to scream, get the ball, He's gonna score. 348 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: What are you doing? And then Trey Turner scored, and 349 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: then he got hurt and we never saw Tom Murphy again. 350 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: So thirteen games from the Giants could be unhappy with 351 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: his time in San Francisco because that's a guy we 352 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: joke about Forever Giant all the time. That's one that 353 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know Tom Murphy, probably a nice 354 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: guy based on being around the team the last three years. 355 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: I never saw the guy, So I could see why 356 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: his time in San Francisco was an unhappy for him 357 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: because he never played. 358 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, thirteen games in two years at the time of 359 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: the signing. I mean, and I think this right up 360 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: there with some of the biggest mistakes far Hanziety's made 361 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: when he was the top baseball executive with the team. 362 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: It didn't make sense because Joey bart had been, you know, 363 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 2: really good soldier, and it was clear that he was 364 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: making some improvements. Now I can see a team saying, we, 365 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: you know, maybe we don't want a second year catcher 366 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: with another with a backup who's you know, only a 367 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 2: year or two older, doesn't have much experience. I can 368 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: see that. But in which case, maybe don't sign a 369 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: guy to a two year deal, go out and find 370 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: another veteran who could be your backup if Bart. But 371 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: Bart was out of options and he'd worked his rear off. 372 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 2: Was really popular in the clubhouse and in the in 373 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: the organization, with all his coaches did. Yeah, he was 374 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: the guy who had to come up and play during 375 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: the pandemic season when Buster stepped back and he wasn't ready. 376 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: That didn't help him, you know, all sorts of things. 377 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: But he had a great attitude, never pointed the finger 378 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 2: at the organization, never blamed anyone but himself, and always 379 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 2: went and did everything they aim to work on. So 380 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: and Murphy just never seemed like a good fit. He 381 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: just didn't. And then when he left, he was pretty unhappy. 382 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: He'd had some injuries. He didn't like some of the 383 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: ways some of the injuries had been handled. So I 384 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: think he's probably going to have some grievances. We'll see 385 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: those where those goes, although we often don't find out 386 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: the upshot on some of those things. But it was 387 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: just sort of an unfortunate situation. And now that's over. So, yeah, 388 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: that was a weird one. Definitely a weird one. 389 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'm always on the player's side of things. 390 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened behind the scenes. I know 391 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: the Giants have probably the best medical staff in baseball, 392 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: and I'm just saying that they've helped me and my 393 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: family for years since I was a Giant. That hasn't stopped. 394 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: I have more than tons of confidence in that. So 395 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: I read that article and I was just like, that 396 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: just sounds like sour grapes. But maybe I don't know 397 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: who knows. I just don't know Tom Murphy in the 398 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: times that I saw him play. I just he wasn't 399 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: a good fit. Just like you said, I got to 400 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: learn how to be more politically correct, all right, we 401 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: got to change. This is the topic of the day 402 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: that I couldn't wait to get to it. We're talking 403 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: about the contemporary baseball era player ballot. It's players who've 404 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: made the greatest contributions of the game since nineteen eighty. 405 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: So Barry Bonds, eight guys and they're all studs. I mean, 406 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: come on, and this is where I have trouble, Susan 407 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: like bench player talking about who should be in the 408 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, like whatever. Bonds, Kent, Roger Clemens, Carlos Stilgatto, 409 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: Don maddening Dale, Murphy, Gary Sheffield, Fernando Velenzuela. So this 410 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: is a Giants podcast, and naturally we're going to go 411 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: to Bonds and Kent. I'll just I'll let you start, 412 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: and I said this last podcast, and I'll get more 413 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: in depth after you kind of throw some things out there. 414 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: I did the numbers on Barry. It's ridiculous. Roger Clemens 415 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: numbers are ridiculous. It's not the Hall of Fame until 416 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds gets in the Hall of Fame. And I know, 417 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: I got to stop hitting the tablet, shaking the screen. 418 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: I know, I know that this is important to them, 419 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: and I think it's very important to the Giants fans. 420 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: It's very important to me. He's the greatest player I 421 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: ever played with against, was around on a daily basis. 422 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: We're still friends to this day, and I see him 423 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: at the ballpark all the time, and I don't know 424 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: if it's killing him, but I do know that he cares, 425 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: and it would be cool because when you talk about history, 426 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: like we have to chronicle everything, so you have numbers 427 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: to back it up. I have some numbers here. But 428 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: your thoughts on Bonds and Kent getting into. 429 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame, well, you know this is sometimes little. 430 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: This is a tricky topic for me because I'm actually 431 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: on the ballot committee for the contemporary well for all 432 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 2: the eras, so I helped formulate this eight person ballot. 433 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: We are not at liberty to discuss the inner workings 434 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: of the ballot committee. I was also on the era's 435 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 2: committee when Bonds and Clements did not get in. I 436 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: was on the actual committee that decided things during the 437 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: winter meetings. We're same thing. Definitely not allowed to talk 438 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 2: about the inner workings there. What I can say and 439 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: often do is my BBWAA vote for the Hall of 440 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: Fame is a matter of record. I am one of 441 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 2: the many many writers. Most of us do make those public, 442 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: and I have voted for both Bonds and Kent. I 443 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: switched from not voting for the steroid guys to at 444 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: some point realizing everyone from that era was in, including 445 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: some players who had been kind of connected to possible 446 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: steroid use except for Bonds and Clements, and I thought, 447 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: this is just this is ludicrousy. Either accept the era 448 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: for what it was or you don't. And if you're 449 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: going to put in the commissioner, many of the top managers, 450 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: people who knew what was going on beyond behind the scenes, 451 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: and players who I had covered, and I think there 452 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: were pretty clear instances that where you could say, this 453 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: is a guy who fits that profile who are already in. 454 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: So I don't to me, this is a no brainer. 455 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: But again I brought along some a little bit of 456 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: show and tell. Here similarity scores for Barry Bonds. I 457 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 2: don't know how many of you might look at Baseball Reference, 458 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 2: but it's pretty much the best when it comes to 459 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: just finding sheer numbers and then also interesting tidbits. The 460 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: similarity scores is when you know, you look in a 461 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: random player will just match up with strange like the 462 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 2: strangest people, which is kind of fun. You look at 463 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: Bonds's similarity scores here and the number one comparison for 464 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: Barry Bonds is Willie Mays. Number two is Hank Aaron 465 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: you mean number three? Is this pabooth? Come on this dude, 466 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 2: there is Why are we even having this conversation. This 467 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: is a guy who has to be in the Hall 468 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: of Fame. So I just I'm just again. I can't 469 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 2: really talk too much about how we vote, because if 470 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: I vote again on an eras committee, I just can 471 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: point to my BBWA past voting record. But I do 472 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 2: think that we need to make sure that the eras 473 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: are really truly represented. The Hall of Fame can handle 474 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: plaques the way they would like if they want to 475 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: mention any of the things. There is a steroid exhibit 476 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. 477 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: Bunch of needles in the case, some vials and some syringes. 478 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: I think there's some pretty some pretty start headlines. 479 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: The Mitchell Brothers Team Pitcher, the Mitchell Report Team Pitcher, 480 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: Mitchell Brothers is another place in San Francisco, different podcasts. 481 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: The Mitchell Report Team is in there too. Uh did 482 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: you do me and the comps? Because I think Buddy 483 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: beyond Kalana would probably. 484 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: Come up, is my check out your comps? Yeah, at 485 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 2: some point I think we I think that you you 486 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: would probably get a real kick out of that. But 487 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 2: I didn't know. I have not ever FP looked up 488 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: your commps. 489 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: Somebody that mixes gatorade. 490 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: It just says, let me know when you're on the 491 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: contemporary eras ballot. 492 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: The other I got various numbers here. I wrote him 493 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: down left yesterday, and this is just insane. Seven time MVP. 494 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: We know this twenty two year career career war of 495 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: one sixty two point eight, which is insane. That's that's 496 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: a record. Nobody's ever been higher than that. Two nine 497 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five hits, which I did not know 498 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: that he was that close to three thousand hits. Usually 499 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: would think of Barry. You think a seven to sixty two, right, 500 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: it's just one number. Obviously, the home runs nineteen hundred 501 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: and ninety six RBI, so just shy at two thousand, 502 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: six hundred one doubles, seventy seven triples, two thousand, five 503 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty eight walks, unbelievable, and then seventy three 504 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: home runs in two thousand and one. Two thousand and 505 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: four is the year for me, that's just insane. He 506 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: had three hundred and seventy three at bats all year 507 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: because he walked two hundred and thirty two times, which 508 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: is a record. He had one hundred and thirty five 509 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: hits in those three seventy three at bats and he 510 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: get three sixty two, so forty one homers. But like 511 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: when you talk about how he change the game and 512 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: showy Tani shoei Otani was just getting that in the 513 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: World Series where they're give him that treatment. I just 514 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: don't think it's a complete It's an incomplete institution unless 515 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds is in the Hall of Fame, and I. 516 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: Think he's not. There's only one reason, and the Hall 517 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 2: kind of has to come to terms with it. And 518 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 2: a lot of people said, once he gets on to 519 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: the committee's which what you used to be called the 520 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: Veterans committee, they'll put him in, like the fellow players 521 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 2: will recognize. Well, you know, I think it was listed 522 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: as less than four votes. That's sixteen member committee, about 523 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: half maybe a little more. Sometimes players, I perhaps that's 524 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: not the way either. It's going to be really interesting 525 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: to watch. And now there's the new rules where I 526 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: think you can be on twice and then you come off. 527 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: So if you if you don't if you fail to 528 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: get enough votes, so it's possible this is starting now, 529 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: but it's possible another turner two through the thing and 530 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: he might be done with being considered, which I this 531 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: is just if so, the Hall has made its own 532 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: decision of what it wants and doesn't want, and if 533 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: he doesn't get in, I think that's that's we're looking at. 534 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: That's what the Hall is decided. You know, this is 535 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: a They've had numerous and we'll have numerous shots to 536 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: put these guys in bonds and clements, and if they don't, 537 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: you know, that's changing the eligibility and the length of eligibility. 538 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: I think tells you something. 539 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: Kent Ken's real quick quickly. I played in that era. Yeah, 540 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: I know more than any Mitchell report says. I was 541 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: in the clubhouses, I was on the planes. I saw 542 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: what was going on. Until you can tell me how 543 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: many home runs Erry hit off of guys on steroids too, 544 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: then you don't have an argument for Barry Bonds not 545 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: making the Hall of Fame. So just say, out of 546 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: seven sixty two, let's throw three, three hundred and fifty 547 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: eight of his home runs were off guys on steroids. 548 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: Because pictures didn't look the part. Yeah, pictures didn't go 549 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: get jacked, like Mark maguire and like Sammy Sosa and 550 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: other guys. Pictures just threw the baseball. And by throwing 551 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: the baseball or long toss and you're building the muscles 552 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: up to throw baseball faster. So guys would leave spring 553 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: training throwing ninety one and come back next year throwing 554 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: ninety eight. And that was everywhere. So a picture you 555 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: could get away with it because you're not like jacked 556 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: and going up to the plate and you just look 557 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, ten pounds heavier, not noticeable. So 558 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: until you can tell me all that, and I'll just 559 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: say this, it was way more rampant, rampant what was 560 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: on the mitell reboard like, there was tons of guys 561 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 1: doing it. 562 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: One of the guys that got popped in the middle 563 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: of it, you'll remember, was Paul Byrd, who was not 564 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: a particularly memorable picture with at that point the Indians 565 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: not imposing. And I thought, if Paul Bird is among 566 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: the gus, and there's a good chance there's a lot 567 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,959 Speaker 2: of guys that we're not considering. But yeah, I mean 568 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 2: it's to me this is an era that is grossly 569 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: underrepresented in the Hall of Fame and that's not what 570 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame is for. And here's Jeff Kent. 571 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to pop up some of his numbers. Jeff 572 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: Kent is a good example of this. Now, he's not 573 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: a slam dunk when it comes to numbers. I and 574 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: many other writers look at the Hall of Fame statistics 575 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: again on Baseball Reference dot com, which are interesting. There 576 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 2: are a couple of different formulations about what constitutes a 577 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer or a likely Hall of Famer. 578 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: I've had great ink noodles once at a restaurant. What 579 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: does that mean? 580 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I have too. Actually I'm from Monterey, 581 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: so we got a lot of ink inky new. 582 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: Partner. 583 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: So these these numbers are on the left side are 584 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: Kent's numbers career, and that what the average Hall of 585 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: Famer has in these sort of various formulations. And so 586 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: you you can see that from some of these he's 587 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: either very close to a Hall of Famer, he is 588 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer, or you know, maybe you know 589 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: just borderline south of being a Hall of Famer. He's 590 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: always been a very interesting candidate for these reasons. But 591 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: I think second base is a position that is also underrepresented. 592 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: I think the era is underrepresented. I certainly hope that 593 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 2: Jeff Kent is a guy who the Contemporary Eras Committee 594 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: look out really closely. I mean again, I'm on the 595 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 2: ballot committee, so all of the names on this ballot 596 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: are ones that the committee as a whole thought, these 597 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: are people that need to be considered. But I firmly think, 598 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: and I've thought, that other second basemen need more consideration, 599 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: not necessarily on this ballot, but I've been big on 600 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: Bobby Gritch, for example, for a long time. He was 601 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: the best second baseman all around kind of of his era, 602 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: and he's not in. You know, Alan trammels In and 603 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: Luke Lou Whitaker isn't. My second base is really sort 604 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: of maligned. I don't get it, but I would love 605 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,479 Speaker 2: to see a few more of these guys get in. 606 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: And I really do hope Kent gets a look because 607 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, it's the Hall of Fame represent 608 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 2: the eras, represent the positions, don't. We don't just need 609 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: a bunch of slug in first basemen and right fielders 610 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: and starting pitchers. 611 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer that you either are you aren't. 612 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: It's either one or a zero, And I have trouble 613 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: wrapping my head around people that have gotten in later 614 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: because we invent statistics that are that show that that 615 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: we didn't have ten years ago, that show that they 616 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: could be might be, should be. Thank you borderline guys. 617 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: For you, where do you stand on Kent? 618 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: Then it's either a F yes or f Now it's 619 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: a one or a zero for me, And it's it's 620 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: about the eye test. It's about you know, you see that, 621 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: you see guys you play against, you see guys you're 622 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: in the dugout with. You're like, that's all of famer. 623 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: And I don't know that I thought about that With Jeff. 624 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: I just knew he was a damn good ballplayer and he. 625 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: Was a good a very very good guy. 626 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: No, he's better than very good. Like he would tell 627 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: me things on the bench. I'd be like, you know, 628 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: I filed that slider off and I was right on it, 629 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: so I knew they were going to throw me a 630 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: fastball the next pitch. And he'd be like, no, stay 631 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: on the slider because that's what they think you're thinking. 632 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: He goes, never get off the pitch that you fill 633 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: straight back, and I go my whole career, and I 634 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: got like fifteen hits that year by doing that. So 635 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: he was a good teammate. He was fun to be around. 636 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: I would say this, and this is probably I don't 637 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: want to go viral, but like, if I had game 638 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: seven bases loaded, one person to drive in a run 639 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: of the two we're talking about, I think I would 640 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: want Jeff up because he was he would He just 641 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: had a great approach with runners in scoring position where he. 642 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: Would bury bonds. That's what you're saying. 643 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Barry probably had a Grand Slam, but 644 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: they probably both drive the runs in. But like Jeff 645 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: was so good with like as far as like taking 646 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: something out of a swing a lot like Buster posey, 647 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: like two for himself, one for the ball club, go 648 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: the other way. Barry's gonna hate me for this, but like, 649 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: if you need, if you needed a clutch run driven in, 650 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: Jeff was your guy. 651 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: And you think he's all a fam with that. I 652 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 2: think that's what you're saying anyway. So well, neither of 653 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 2: us is on this current committee, so I guess it's. 654 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: To be continued. 655 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: We will find this out. It's during the winter meeting. 656 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: Yours to figure it out. Either are you aren't. 657 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's gonna be an interesting It's gonna be 658 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: an interesting day when these results are announced at the winner. 659 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: He doesn't hate me for saying that, but they both 660 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: would have got the runs in. But like if it's 661 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: like it's like everybody says they want a Kurt reid 662 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: Er to pitch Game seven, like that was their guy. 663 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: Like there's just a certain thing about JK, Like he 664 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: just he just stuck his nose in there, not the 665 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: Barry wouldn't. I'm just saying, like, if you need, if 666 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: you need to Sackfly, he's your guy, you need a 667 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: two strike base hit to write, he's your guy. You 668 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: need my home run. 669 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 2: You're pretty sure you said he's better than Barry Bonds. 670 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's what you said. 671 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: Garry Bond's the greatest player to ever walk the face 672 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: of the Earth. Period. 673 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 2: Well, on that note, certainly stay tuned that that's going 674 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 2: to be an exciting day at the Winter Meetings, which 675 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 2: is I think the Winter Meetings open the seventh of December, 676 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor Day. So yeah, sometime that week. 677 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: Not touching that one, Susan, we got number show number 678 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: two in the books. It was great to see you. 679 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tease Tony next week. I asked for Tony Vitello, 680 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: so hopefully we get him, but if we don't, it'll 681 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: just be some great guests and on the greatest giants 682 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: podcast in the history of the world, splash Hit. No 683 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: greatest show in the history of the world. Splash Hit 684 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: Territory splash Hit. Subscribe to splash Hit on YouTube wherever 685 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. We are part of the Final 686 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: Territory Network. Susan Seluster, thank you for being a special 687 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 1: contributor today and I will see you next week. 688 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: Fantastic Thanks Epete Dia