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Speaker 2: They unpluggers Forgotten Season.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Forgotten Seasons. This

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Speaker 3: is your host, Dylan Dreyfuss. Today we're doing a championship

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Speaker 3: season nineteen ninety four Rockets with their start in two

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Speaker 3: man the infamous Mad Max Vernon Maxwell. The Rockets started

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Speaker 3: off the season a blistering fifteen to zero, which at

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Speaker 3: the time was an NBA record. They finished the season

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Speaker 3: fifty eight and twenty four, two seed in the West.

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Speaker 3: Of course, the nucleus of that success is Hakeem Just

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous wins his first and only MVP, wins Defensive Player

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Speaker 3: of the Year for the second straight season. His stat

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Speaker 3: line a casual twenty seven points per game, twelve rebounds

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Speaker 3: a game, three point seven blocks, one point six steals,

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Speaker 3: and three point six assists. Nobody else in history has

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Speaker 3: put up those numbers. That's just a team for you.

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Speaker 3: There's really not much else to say. Supporting cast around Hikeem,

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Speaker 3: Kenny Smith at the one, Vern at the two, Robert

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Speaker 3: Rookie Sam Cassell and Mario Ellie providing the spark off

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Speaker 3: the bench. Playoffs, they get past Portland in round one

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Speaker 3: and four round two against Phoenix, the defending Western Conference

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Speaker 3: champs Charles Barkley. Houston goes down two to zero at

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Speaker 3: home in that series, but miraculously comes back to win

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Speaker 3: that series in seven. Max scores a pivotal thirty four

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Speaker 3: points in Game three Western Conference Finals. They beat Utah

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Speaker 3: in five, and then the finals they got the gritty, tough,

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Speaker 3: Ninety three to ninety four is the first Jordan this

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Speaker 3: year of the nineties, Mike announces his retirement right before

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Speaker 3: the season, sending the sports world into a frenzy. You'll

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Speaker 3: hear Mad Max say what that was like and also

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Speaker 3: guess what Max is thinking. Reminder to drop a rating

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Speaker 3: and a review on the podcast. We are going to

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Speaker 3: jump into it now. Forgotten Seasons with Vernon Maxwell on

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Speaker 3: the nineteen ninety four championship winning Houston Rockets begins right now,

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Speaker 3: Mad Max, Vernon Maxwell, how you doing today?

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Speaker 1: Man, Hey man, I'm blessed. Man.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, man, I'm just bless So we're getting

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Speaker 3: into it. Ninety four Houston Rockets. I hate to start

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Speaker 3: with Michael Jordan, but if we're going back to that

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Speaker 3: time ninety three ninety four, the headline of the basketball

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Speaker 3: world and really the sports world as we lead into

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Speaker 3: this season, is Michael Jordan announcing his retirement from the game,

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Speaker 3: fresh off of three peet. You know, you and Jordan

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Speaker 3: always had an interesting relationship fears competitors. Do you remember

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Speaker 3: where you were when you heard that news and what

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Speaker 3: your initial reactions were.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm maybe probably was in a bar something like.

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Speaker 2: But man, it was weird. I mean, believe it. I

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Speaker 1: And it did happen, but yeah, but it was. It

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he was tired. I don't know

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Speaker 3: So, sort of going into the brief oral history of

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Speaker 3: the Rockets leading up to this season, you joined the

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Speaker 3: team in eighty nine to ninety and there's some consecutive

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Speaker 3: years where you guys fall short. Eighty nine to ninety

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Speaker 3: you missed the playoffs. And around this time, you know,

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Speaker 3: What do you remember your first three four years in Houston.

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Speaker 3: Was there any frustration growing within the locker room as

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Speaker 3: you guys sort of kept falling short with a solid team.

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Speaker 2: Well, like you said eighty nine, I mean the Lakers,

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Speaker 2: So but then we learned and we built, and they

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Speaker 2: Like in ninety three ninety four, we knew what we

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Speaker 2: the one year we came back and didn't even make it,

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Speaker 2: and then the next year we knew, we knew what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and we knew what we had to do.

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Speaker 2: But they said it wasn't no good. Championship ain't no

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Speaker 3: That's a that's a whole nother story sort of talking

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Speaker 3: about the construction of the team, you mentioned a lot

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Speaker 3: How did you guys try and approach your games, your

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Speaker 2: Well, Rudy T just you know, all we just we

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Speaker 2: We knew what we was going and we knew what

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Speaker 2: We it was no different adjustments for nobody. I don't

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Speaker 2: Jabbar Matt. We we we're gonna go out and play

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Speaker 2: then he gave you so much freedom. Really, you know,

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Speaker 1: Damn ball in the back.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you're you're selling your you're selling yourself a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I could shoot it, man, Now, I could

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Speaker 1: So that's what we were.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Hey, you guys finished first in three point

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Speaker 3: Is is Rudy t sort of preaching shoot the ball

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Speaker 3: What was it about Rudy T that that made him

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Speaker 2: What day and what night it is. If it's your

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Speaker 3: Well that's great. Uh. Shifting shifting right back to Hakeem.

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Speaker 1: That was crazy as hell. What he was did to him,

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Speaker 2: Some ship he had I had never really seen, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, try to convert me over to be Muslim.

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Speaker 3: It didn't work.

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Speaker 2: I thought about it real seriously though, because I felt

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Speaker 1: Man. I love dream Man. I like a big older

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, if it wasn't the dreamed, I

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Speaker 3: Shout out that he came. Shout out that he came

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Speaker 2: I mean every night at the shooting guard position when

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Speaker 2: and shit, probably one hundred and ninety pounds, and he's saying,

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Speaker 1: And they well, Reggie now, but he's got.

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Speaker 3: If you could pick one two or three man from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, I was gonna wait until we got

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's yeah. Yeah. I enjoyed that ship. Yeah that

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Speaker 2: And and then you know, they brought Miami eighteen back

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Speaker 3: Cheers of that. So going into the season, I mean,

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Speaker 2: not Mario.

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Speaker 2: People just don't understanding how long the corps had been together.

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Speaker 2: And that's when I know, I said, Damn, man, we're real.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know Atlanta, you get caught up down there.

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Speaker 3: Night four was was was Magic City around back then.

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, you know that man Magic, that's my man.

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Speaker 3: So the way the season shakes out, you end up

439
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 3: as the two seed. If you go down the West

440
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 3: that Seattle a won you at two, Phoenix at three,

441
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 3: San Antonio at four, Utah at five, Golden State at six.

442
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 3: All those teams won fifty or more games. Blood bath

443
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 3: in the West. What do you remember from just those

444
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 3: Western Conference battles? And who is the one team that,

445
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 3: uh you've viewed as the biggest threat in the West.

446
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: Seattle. They one the only team we couldn't beat. That's

447
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: why we that's.

448
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 2: Why they were going to the they were going to

449
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: the to the finals because we were We couldn't beat

450
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: s Theattle.

451
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: They massed up so well with us.

452
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it was like a it was

453
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: like a big brother, man, I mean big butther little

454
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: brother masters. I mean, they massed up so well with us. Man,

455
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: those guys man, and we just couldn't beat them. I

456
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 2: mean we'll get I mean we'd be been in.

457
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: The game the whole game. Just couldn't finish them off. Man.

458
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 1: We just couldn't beat them.

459
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 2: Man. We always go to Game seven, just couldn't beat them.

460
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: And they always have home quarterban foot.

461
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: It was got. It was.

462
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 2: It was crazy that year because in the playoffs, if

463
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: you remember, God damn them but knocked them off in

464
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: the first around.

465
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: Well, I was celebrating my mother.

466
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was gone. Now we got That's when I knew.

467
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: When I seen Demver beat them, I knew we were

468
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 2: going to the finance that and I I said, I

469
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: can remember what thinking. I damn, I'm telling And that's

470
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: what I was thinking when I saw that ship happened.

471
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: When my Tumbo laid on the ground with that.

472
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 2: Motherfucking ball and did, I was like, God, damn, We're

473
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: going to the final.

474
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: That's what I said.

475
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: So, yeah, how was that was? I was a blessed

476
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 3: I was competing against GP. Where does he rank in

477
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: the in the upper echelon of of ship talkers? I

478
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 3: know you you talked a lot of smack back in

479
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 3: your day. Where does CP rank.

480
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: Garrett talked some ship you know, Garrett a little ship talker.

481
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: You know Gary was a ship talker. You know ship

482
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: uh oh man? Yeah he is ship talking man. Yeah, Gary,

483
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: ship talking but yeah, he's he was a ship.

484
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 3: Not GP.

485
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, G Yeah, yeah, he's funny.

486
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

487
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 3: Then going into the playoffs, two seed take care of

488
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 3: business in Portland in round one. You have a great series.

489
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: Then then you have Phoenix defending Western Conference champs. They

490
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 3: got Charles Barkley. You guys go down to zero, drop

491
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: the first two games at home. Historically, when that happens,

492
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: you drop the first two games of the series at home,

493
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: your screw right. Season's over. So how do you sort

494
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 3: of stay positive? I know you have that legendary game

495
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 3: in game three dropping thirty four, But what's that locker room?

496
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: What's that plane trip? Like, you're going on the road

497
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: now down two?

498
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: Oh?

499
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: Just take us into the into the locker room, inside

500
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: the huddles. Who's saying what? How do you stay positive?

501
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: There? You know? It was all me. It was all

502
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: me crazy, Yeah, I'm on the plane.

503
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: You know, they saw on a Choke City before we

504
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: left out of Houston. You know, we we we saw

505
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 2: the headline on the paper was going to be next

506
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: the next day. They had already let us know, and

507
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: they was calling us choke city, so and so and so.

508
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, they're called us choke city. And

509
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: we head and I had a phoenix with we got

510
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 2: our ass beat. We had to eighteen twenty point. We

511
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: had an eighteen point league and we had a twenty

512
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: point league. In both of those games at home, and

513
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: we lost both of them. Now, I mean it was

514
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: crazy and then and so and then we was flying

515
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 2: out there and everybody.

516
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: Was, you know, just like it was like a funeral.

517
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: But ship not with me. I'm I'm on the motherfucker.

518
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm I'm doing what I always give me a damn

519
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: being bad to guy. Let me get something to drink

520
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: on the smither block, you know, and everybody, you know.

521
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 2: I think I remember hearing somebody saying, man, I got

522
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: damn getting ready my damn vacation spot.

523
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, whatever, ship. I wasn't.

524
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking like I was there myself, my normal self,

525
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: and really wasn't.

526
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: A lot of people wasn't saying nothing. Was a lot

527
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: of you know, they were down. A lot of the

528
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: guys were down, you know. But I said, shit, I'm

529
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: go out there.

530
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: I told everybody, you know, I mean the team, you know, shit,

531
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out I'm going down shooting. You know

532
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: what I mean, bucket, you know what I mean. We

533
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: ain't got nothing to lose. For the first half, I

534
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 2: was shit. I don't think I had number like two

535
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: points something. The first half, I was shooting a lot

536
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: of blanks. And then the second half. I just kept saying.

537
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: I said I was gonna go down shooting, and I

538
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: seen one go in, and then that's what started. I

539
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 2: think I had like thirty one, uh, thirty thirty two

540
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: in the damn second half, and and.

541
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: Let the ass up.

542
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: We won that game turned the series around, and I said,

543
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: after that game.

544
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: I told Dream all right, and I dreamed that ship.

545
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: It was go game four, gotta win my more. Goddamn.

546
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna pass you the key back. Huh he go,

547
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: now we need you now, go on, take back over.

548
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: This damnstairs, and then Dream workout.

549
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: It's a that's how we want.

550
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: We want that. I don't know who we played. I wonder,

551
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: yeah Utah.

552
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so you know, I know it's all over,

553
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: and you've talked about a lot, so I don't want

554
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: to beat a dead horse. But I get the sense

555
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 3: that you enjoy talking about your your your your times

556
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: in Utah when you came out on top. You just

557
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: paint the picture for where your feelings towards Utah come from.

558
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: M hm, well it is motherfucker's out there. But first

559
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: of all, I mean.

560
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: That's just weird.

561
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: After first of all, I mean, I'm i mean, my

562
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: fathers married.

563
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: Shit different, Why all fucking four five wives?

564
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: Who does that ship? I mean, god damn, I mean

565
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: I like what. I like that ship now, God done.

566
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: I ain't knocking it, but god damn, who does that? Okay?

567
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: And then secondly they just red next out there. They racist? Man,

568
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: they racist. They's racist motherfuckers.

569
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean just I mean, we could just go back.

570
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I ain't just saying this ship because they

571
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: did me like that. They treated me like shit, talk

572
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: called me nigger, call me all that bout my name, talked.

573
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: About my people they don't even know.

574
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: And I was fine, I mean, you know, and and

575
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying we can go back, just like recent,

576
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: like the job mo rent everyone says it. I mean,

577
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: come on, man, who does I mean, come on man,

578
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: they call that man, mama, a beat and then a

579
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: daddy help you? You know man, come on man, I

580
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: mean you know, come on man, I mean that's that's

581
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: that that tells you right there, man, how classic as

582
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: they are. I mean, that's why I'm gonna stay on

583
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: their dog ass. And another damn thing I found out

584
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: the day too, and and and and and fuck them

585
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: because they ain't really give my man, Sam can Sell

586
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: a fast shot over there with them with that damn

587
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: fake ass. I want to bring the minority motherfucker just

588
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: to say I interviewed.

589
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: A black guy.

590
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: Man, fuck you tah man. I mean for real, man,

591
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: that's what you need.

592
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see who they hire someone when age.

593
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck is going on round here?

594
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: This shit is weird, man, these motherfuckers. Man, I'm tired

595
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: of these motherfuckers.

596
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: Man. It's just his it's just getting bad, man.

597
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: I mean, and then not alone, I mean ship just

598
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: I mean they act like there's no coaches around the motherfucker.

599
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean, it's so many.

600
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: Other good coaches on these bunches man, I mean, just

601
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: like this bullshit.

602
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan just hide over here, man. Yeah, this shit

603
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: is crazy.

604
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: Man.

605
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: Cassell needs a shot. I mean he everywhere he went,

606
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: everywhere he went, he won. He was a point guard.

607
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah man, yeah, man, the motherfucking coach man. I just think, man,

608
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: he did take away.

609
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: From doctor something.

610
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if Doc holding him back or won't

611
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, going and passed the torch and be like okay,

612
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: you know, just just come out and really say to

613
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: these motherfucker's dog.

614
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Hey, Okay, my man, my young.

615
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: Pro j been with me for thirteen fifteen years. He

616
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: ready to be a head coach. He's ready.

617
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: Now it might take for somebody to hear you say that.

618
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: That he's ready. He's broomed, he's ready. He's been over

619
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 2: here behind me long enough. Shit, I don't know if

620
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: nobody want.

621
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: That, you know.

622
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: But still he's been groomed, and he's he's he understands

623
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: how to be a head coach. He knows how to

624
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: run a team. You know, he knows he knows what

625
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: to expected out of being that guy that that that

626
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: that the.

627
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: One of these guys.

628
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: And and and I know he he's not gonna let

629
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: nobody take over his locker room.

630
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: I know this, motherfucker. You know what I mean. I mean.

631
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, Man, I ain't just I mean

632
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: for Sam. Yeah, that's my dog.

633
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: Man.

634
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 2: I love him to death, bruh. And I'm just I

635
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: just think it's this time. But I mean it's a

636
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: lot of other guys time too. I'm not just staying

637
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: just for him, you know some other guys too.

638
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm glad for.

639
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: The ham you know what I mean. I like that move.

640
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, that's a great move. New

641
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: young blood energy. You know, you got to get some

642
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: these you.

643
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Stop with this refurbishing these old ass coaches.

644
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: It's a revolving doors.

645
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: They said, Yeah, I'm just it just it's just that, just.

646
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Try something new.

647
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: Get one of these young, energetic ass young mass guys

648
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: that these guys can relate to, that they will like

649
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: love to play for. You know, you know this guy

650
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: that love to play for, a guy that played in

651
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: the league that they know and they can identify with.

652
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: Man, you know a guy love to play for a

653
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: guy like that. Man, I mean, you have a relationship

654
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: with those guys.

655
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: I don't understand why these people are scared to try

656
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: these these guys that have played in the league.

657
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: Don't won in the league, then one championship.

658
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: And and then then been over here behind a good

659
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: coach for fifteen years.

660
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: He deserves a chance.

661
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: Man, I hope, I hope yourself does. And I agree

662
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: with you. And look at the teams that had success

663
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: this year. I mean, look at look at the Celtics

664
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: new coach.

665
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, the new blood I mean new energy.

666
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean god, man, you got to try

667
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: these guys. Man, you gotta give them a shot. Man,

668
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean, just give them a shot, just like it's just.

669
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: Like you get everybody. Keep by d right. This ship

670
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: is crazy and man, he's in defense ship.

671
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: He's doing it. The ship don't work no more. It's

672
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: just I am. You gotta get I mean why I don't.

673
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: Understand the ship and that's why I'm just sucking up.

674
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: No, No, he deserves it. I hope Sam gets his

675
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: shot as one of my favorite players. I think you

676
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: look at his resume. He won everywhere he was. He

677
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: was the point guard, he was the leader of the team.

678
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: I think I get it. I hope. So I don't

679
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: know what MG is doing in Charlotte with Steve Clifford

680
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: and a ninety year old man who has never coaches

681
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: a good team in his life. Yeah, come on, come on, Mike,

682
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: Come on, Mike, come on, Mike. I know it's crazy.

683
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: This ship is crazy.

684
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: It's crazy, real quick going back. So you you come

685
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: out on top on Utah, that's got to feel good.

686
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: You go to the finals, you got the Knicks defense

687
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: sensive series, you got Pat Ewing, John Starks, Anthony Mason,

688
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: New York's got some big boys series Go seven. It's

689
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: back and forth. You hit the sort of deciding shot

690
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: in game seven, sort of put the nail in the coffin.

691
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 3: What do you what do you remember from that series?

692
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: What memories other than holding up that trophy?

693
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: What?

694
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: What sticks with you?

695
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. That shit A little tough ass serious.

696
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean it was like.

697
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: Two teams identical to each other, you know, one was

698
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: on the West, one was on the East. The West

699
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: they feel like we played fast and on the East,

700
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: I feel like they felt like they were more bruises,

701
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: want to beat you up and play half for and

702
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: we want to run on the West.

703
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: That's what they said about us.

704
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 2: But I mean, yeah, when you when in the NBA

705
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: and the finals, you got to adjust to either or

706
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: and and that's what it became. You know, in the playoffs,

707
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: it's not an up and down. It's like a more

708
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: of a half for set in and that's what it was.

709
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: And then we were just beating on each other, man.

710
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: I mean we won game one, they came making one game.

711
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: Two, back back and forth back.

712
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, going back and forth. Man, it was weird.

713
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: And then we went up there in one game three,

714
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: and then they came backing one, four and five, and

715
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: then we was we was cool though with that because

716
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: we already knew we did, you know, we went back

717
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: and got home court advantaged back That's what we had felt,

718
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: but we really didn't in our mind we did.

719
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: We went back and got one of those wins out

720
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: of those three.

721
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: Because we knew it was going to be tough to

722
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: get a win up there, you know, going in the garden.

723
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: And then and these motherfuckers ain't won a damn championship

724
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: and since.

725
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: Seventy three, good.

726
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: God man, so you know they was oh man. And

727
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: then but then Houston Ship. We had never won a

728
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: championship ever and nothing no sport ever until we wanted

729
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: that year. So we were trying to get one too.

730
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: So it was a I mean, it was back and

731
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 2: forth and all that ship.

732
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: But we knew we did.

733
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: We want to get it back to the Houston, and

734
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: it did get back to Houston, and we knew we

735
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: had to win just two games, and we knew we

736
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 2: could do that, and but we knew it was gonna

737
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: be tough because it was a tough day of New

738
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: York Knicks team boy. I mean, we we were so

739
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: similar to each other.

740
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you can go down the line, Derek.

741
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: Harper, Kenny Smith, burning might as well John Start just

742
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: like identical player, uh Roald Lorry, Charles Smith and I'm

743
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: in uh uh uh Charles Oakley oldest story. Everything is

744
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: identical and Lodge one and and and my man.

745
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: Big Pat. I mean, so it was so it was

746
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: it was.

747
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: I mean, and you had the coach is with the

748
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 3: slick back here.

749
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: Right, had I ain't know that, that's right.

750
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: I never thought about that we had coaches over there

751
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: with the slick back half.

752
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. But it was a great serious man,

753
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that serious man. I mean, I'm glad

754
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: we wanted.

755
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: Though, I mean, uh so, but uh, it was just

756
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: a great series.

757
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: And I was just happy.

758
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: To give the city of Houston the first championship ever

759
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: man and and ship, you know, and then baseball the

760
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: one two since then.

761
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: So nah, there's a day I'm a Yankees fan.

762
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: There is the one then I was, and they gotta

763
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: ask for by one when.

764
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: They don't get me started.

765
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 2: I'm a Yankees fan too, I'm Yankee, but I gotta

766
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: get hey, they gave him, they gave him.

767
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: The focus they got. The folks they got too.

768
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: So how did they not? I know, I know we're

769
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: going off topic, but like so so they so they

770
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: just cheat and it's cool, like they you know, they

771
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: fire the manager and it's cool. No suspensions for the players,

772
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: nothing else.

773
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: So okay, so, well who was supposed to get it? Then?

774
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: If they didn't get it cause they because they said

775
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: they cheat, well, well, you.

776
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: Know they they beat the Yankees in the ALCS.

777
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 4: So they beat the Yanks in the ALCS, So the

778
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 4: Yankees would have went to the World Series against who.

779
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 3: They who they played?

780
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: Was it like who the Astros beat that year?

781
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 3: I forget in seventeen it was a dog.

782
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't a Dodgers. Let me look it up quickly.

783
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that's the damn team should have got it,

784
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: not the Yankees.

785
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: I know, I know, but I'm just I don't know.

786
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: I don't want I don't want a dummy ring for

787
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: not even playing. I'm just saying it's bullshit they didn't.

788
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: I agreed, I agree that shouldn't have got.

789
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: Hey, next time, next time you're in New York, we

790
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: gotta hit a game, man.

791
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: Let's you heard that? Camp Next time I'm in New York.

792
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: We gotta hit a game. We're gonna do it too.

793
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: Man.

794
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: I want to do it. Man, I loved to man,

795
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna come. We're gonna come this. We're gonna come this.

796
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: We're gone. Yeah, We're gone. We're gone. We're gone. That's right. Yeah, okay, cool, Yeah,

797
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna go.

798
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, let's let's pick it up after coming

799
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: back real quick, wrapping it up. You guys, win Game

800
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 3: seven in Houston, put an end to Choke City. It's

801
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: Clutch City. The first championship, I believe you said in

802
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: Houston sports history. Obviously huge emotions. Uh, next year it

803
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: doesn't work out, they bring in Clyde Drexler. Sort of

804
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 3: just reflecting back on your end to Houston, which which

805
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: ended in ninety four ninety five, What thoughts do you

806
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: have then and was it? Would there be any way

807
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: today that you have approach it differently?

808
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: You're ending, Yeah, I fucked up. I fucked up.

809
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: I shall my last feeling start for my damnself feeling start,

810
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: you know.

811
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: And I shouldn't have did it. I mean, I mean

812
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to.

813
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: Get paid man, you know, I mean a nice damn

814
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: big nice contract like that man, twenty five million dollars.

815
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: Deal that was big back then.

816
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: You know, I was getting ready to get paid, and

817
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: all I had to do was sit my ass over

818
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: there and behind Clyde, you know what I mean. The

819
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: man didn't play me one game and in the first

820
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: game of the damn Utah series, and he put me

821
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: in at the end of the game to try to

822
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: make the last shot and I missed. I got them lost.

823
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: I was, you know, because he never did me like that.

824
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 2: And then and then they didn't tell me that they

825
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: was branking Clyde in, and they never did communicate with

826
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: me when I was spending for those ten games. And

827
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: I was just like, well, damn, that's unusual, you know,

828
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: because I was talking to other guys who have been suspended,

829
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 2: and it was like, now, team, only stay in tune

830
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: with your state figure. I will talk to you and

831
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: make sure you're working out. Send somebody who worked you

832
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: out at your gym, you know. And but they didn't

833
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: do none of that stuff. So I was like, what

834
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: the hell's going on? But then I found out they

835
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: were bringing in Clyde. They didn't even.

836
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: Ask me to say nothing to me. They just did

837
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: what the hell they want.

838
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: You know, and all the ship, after all the shit

839
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: I had done, I felt like I was like, that

840
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: was some bullshit, and you know, and but like I

841
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: keep telling them, I keep staying to all these kids,

842
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: and I keep staying to myself. And I learned that

843
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: right there and there, then and there that the ship

844
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: is not about the name on the back. It's about

845
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: the name on the front of the fucking jersey. And

846
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: the kids better get they better recognize that and know that,

847
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's bigger than me, you know, so,

848
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: and they did what they felt like they had to do.

849
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: It was best for the organization. They bought in Clyde,

850
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: and I got upset and I went off and after

851
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: the game one and I left the four, game two,

852
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 2: and that.

853
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: Was the end of relationship.

854
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was the end of the Houston Sada

855
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: I guess whatever.

856
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: You want to call it.

857
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, when when you think about it, like,

858
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 3: you know, they went in ninety five, but you probably

859
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: got out at the right time. Yeah.

860
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

861
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: A lot of shit happened after that.

862
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: A lot of it happened.

863
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: Moving and Dream was moved.

864
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: Everybody Gotti Scotty, Barkley.

865
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody came.

866
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: There was a lot of weird shipping, and I was like, yeah,

867
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: Barkley came in, Scotty came in.

868
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: It was it was totally. It was different. There's getting

869
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: a lot of uh damas goods back then. Mm hmm.

870
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 3: Well, like I told you sort of off camera but before,

871
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: I think that this is definitely a season that deserves

872
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: the spotlight. I think the cliche, the cliche thing, the

873
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: casual fan thing to say now is well, Mike wasn't

874
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: there doesn't really count, man, I don't know Kenny, Kenny

875
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: Smith and all the smoke said, no question, y'all would

876
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 3: have beaten.

877
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: I look at the numbers, don't lie man, and was

878
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: beating the out of the boards.

879
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: Man were beating him good.

880
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean what it was nine to two

881
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: over like that, what oh five years were beating out

882
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: of the boards.

883
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: I would have that would have been fun, though, I

884
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 3: mean might have.

885
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: Man, I would have loved to be I would have

886
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: loved to have been in the seven games.

887
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean in a seven game playoffs.

888
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: Seriously, guests, Mike, why I had to go out there

889
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: and check his ass seventh?

890
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: I think I think I think he might have tried

891
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: to kill you.

892
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: I was trying to kill his ass. I know I would.

893
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 2: I know he would try to kill me that mother,

894
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: but he wanted to show me up. Well because I

895
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: just talked, I just do all the ship. Nobody else

896
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't do this. But I'm trying to get a Mike Hey,

897
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: A Mike, stop.

898
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: With all that bullshit too. Mike Hey, I'm trying to

899
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: get in Texas. To Mike, I'm trying to get with

900
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: jump Man. Baby, I want to be with jump Man.

901
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Let's squash all that ship. You know. I love you,

902
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: Mike Hey. I want to get with jump Man. I

903
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: want all I got Damn get Stephen Jackson. I'll be

904
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: wearing all that pretty ship. Get me with jump Man. Mike,

905
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: love you, Mike Hey.

906
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: If it happens from that, I need. I need a

907
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: few sweatsuits, a few pair of shoes.

908
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: I got you, I got you, I got.

909
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: You all right, all right, Dune dealt you mad Max.

910
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: This was a lot of fun. Thank you for your time, man,

911
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.

912
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate for having me man, thanks for having men loud.

913
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: Thanks yes, sir, that is a wrap forgotten seasons with

914
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: Vernon Maxwell on the ninety four Rockets. I will catch

915
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: you next week with a fresh episode, this is your

916
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Speaker 3: host deal and Dreyfust sign of off peas