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You can 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.240 scan that QR code that's on the screen right now 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:56.480 if you are watching on YouTube. That's foul Territoryshop dot com. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:57.000 Patrick. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:04.600 The Cubs had a draft last weekend, two days, twenty 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.120 one selections for them over twenty rounds. They had that 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:13.200 extra pick after Kyle Tucker signed with the Dodgers, and 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.960 they took sixteen pitchers. This is not a shock. Dan 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:23.880 Canterwitz kind of tipped their hand so to say. You know, 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.320 he didn't flat out say they were going to do it, 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.199 but if the opportunity arose He said they were looking 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:33.600 to be more aggressive with selecting pitchers. They were working 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:38.040 more directly with player development and Tyler Zambro, who has 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:43.200 taken on a bigger role VP of pitching, and sixteen 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.960 sixteen new arms are in the system. They're not all 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.920 signed yet, so not official, but I believe they expect 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.400 to sign the majority of these guys, the vast majority 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:57.600 of the players they drafted. And number one pick twenty 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:03.280 third overall, Cade townshend out of old miss right handed 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:08.840 starter for them. That's their number one pick. New big 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:13.480 arm added to the farm system, arguably the top arm 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:14.040 in the system. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:20.280 Now, Yeah, it was interesting to hear Cad you know, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.919 say be asked about his connections to your organization and 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:25.559 he said. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.360 You know, he knew Ryan Rolson really well. And I 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:27.960 thought that was. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.720 A good jumping off point in terms of trying to 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:36.360 think about what the Cubs are doing with their pitching group. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.760 And so rosson a waiverclaim who bounced around this offseason, 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.000 former first round pick of the Rockies where things didn't 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.680 work out, needed a change of scenery, need to get healthy. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:53.720 That was probably the primary reason why he had bounced 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.480 around that much. And it was a good timing because 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.240 I was in Cincinnati, and you know, Ralson was talking 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.440 off the field, and he's a really good talker. He's 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:11.320 a thoughtful guy, very appreciative and you know, insightful because 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.000 of his journey to get to this point. And yeah, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:15.919 he was a first round pick out. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:16.440 Of Old Miss. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:20.600 His wife, who had also gone to Old Miss, works 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.720 with their athletic department. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:24.520 And sort of in the NIL space. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.800 And so he's gotten to no Townsend over the last 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:32.200 two off seasons, you know, basically since he first stepped 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.720 foot on campus as a student athlete. And you know, 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.080 he said he obviously has big league stuff, but that 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.240 he was very impressed by the way he went about it, 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:49.000 how he would talk through the game. I'm assuming he's 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.720 very up to date on all the bells and whistles 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.120 you know in the Cubs tech department just kind of 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.760 already speaks that language. And so Rolison, a guy who 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.640 no one really paid attention to when the Cubs made 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.560 that waiverclaim and is now like pitching the ninth inning 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.640 for the Cubs at times, or pitching multiple innings in 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.640 games they wind up winning, like at Dodger Stadium of 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.680 all places, like He's an example of this system, and 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:24.200 so he had been asking Zambro sort of on and 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.920 off of like, do you think we got a shot 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:27.720 at Townsend? 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.800 You know, they're texting back and forth. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:37.520 Zambro did a zoom with Townsend in the final days 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.200 before the draft, on top of what was a very 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.960 good meeting with the Cubs at the Draft combine, and 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:49.200 so this, I think you could speak to this od 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.479 of is a should be a better form of synergy 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.440 than maybe they've had in the past, or at least 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:56.039 that's the hope. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.599 Yeah, I mean, I think they've really incorporate rated player 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:07.400 development and working hand in hand with Zambro and his 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:13.520 pitching people. That I think that leads to that should 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.279 lead to better results. I think it's a better process 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.240 when you have the people that are going to be 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.400 working with these guys and coming up with the development plan, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:29.120 helping identify what works best, what what traits they're looking for. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.679 This is something that you know teams have been doing 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.600 for years. As far as you get the data, you 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.880 get the high speed images, the high speed camera images, 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.360 and you can kind of understand what what a pitcher 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.400 can do, how can what pitches can you add what 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:54.559 what can you incorporate into this picture's arsenal and feel 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:58.520 strongly about it, just by the way a pitcher's arm moves. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.320 And they, you know, with all these selections, with many 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.360 of these selections, they see they already have a development 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.760 plan in place. You mentioned it with Townshend. He's very 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:12.279 aware of all the tech and it seems like there's 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.440 a good like plan in place. These guys trust like 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.040 he's he's on board and he understands all the things 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.400 that they want to do, and they already have a 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.719 development plan in place. I'd expect him to, you know, 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.640 as long as he's healthy to be the type of 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.920 pitcher that could move quickly. That doesn't mean he's going 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.840 to be on the opening day rotation next year or 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.080 anything like that. I mean moving quickly is being ready 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.080 by you know, twenty twenty eight. If he's ready late 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:43.080 twenty twenty seven, that's a huge developmental win. But this 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.560 is a guy that you know, he's he's smaller in 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.960 the sense like he's six', one but they like he 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.000 holds his velocity deep into. Games is he a five 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.840 to six inning? Guy can go seven? Eight we'll, see, 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.560 Uh but he's got a d, arsenal AND i think 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.560 they believe they can add and refine, it add to 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:08.279 it and refine. It it's a it's intriguing to kind 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.040 of see them go so aggressive with pitching and And 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:18.600 I'm i'm curious to see how player development goes right 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.000 now when it comes to, pitching because it is different 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.520 than it was even a year. Ago so they have 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.600 a different and it's a different way of attacking, things 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.800 and we'll see how it, goes because they certainly are 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:37.040 much more optimistic as far as pitching goes than they 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.040 had been. BEFORE i did not get a lot of 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.840 great reports after last year's draft when it came to the. 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:48.280 Pitchers not a lot of high. Upside there's you, know 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.680 there's boomer bust potential with a lot of these. Guys 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.560 but you, KNOW i Think townsend is someone that you, 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.120 know consensus seems to be like this isn't like some 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.960 crazy reach or this isn't a guy with low end. 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.040 Stuff it was just like a you, know mid to 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:06.440 back end rotation. Guy he's a mid to up you, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:11.120 know front of the rotation. Guy if all things. Click, Yeah, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:11.600 LOOK i. 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.720 Mean Kate HORTON i think gives them a little more 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.960 confidence or credibility in this. 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:22.280 Area, Obviously Kate horton is now recovering from major. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:27.720 Surgery but how they were able to manage him last 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.760 year and sort of take what they saw in flashes 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.280 At oklahoma and kind of transport that to the major 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:42.040 leagues is very. Impressive you, Know townsend pitch two years 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:42.800 At Ole. 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.079 Miss one year wasn't very. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.079 Good i'm not sure if he was like the best 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:53.360 pure pitcher on his team for college this, season but 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.640 he's doing it in THE sec for a College World 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:06.560 series type of. Program they have all these various stakeholders 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:13.400 now working together to give you, know pd just a 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.720 little bit more raw material to work, With like instead 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:22.360 of waiting for it not to work for The rockies 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.040 first round pick this year and then waiting five years 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:26.560 to get, Him, like what if you get him from the, 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.960 START i can put him on a plan and see 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:31.600 where it goes. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.920 Exactly all, Right let's take a break and talk a 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:40.680 little bit more about some other intriguing arms that The cups. Drafted. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.560 Cap i've been looking for the best deals for The 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.040 All Star game tickets In. Philly where are you gonna 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:49.280 get some? 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.680 Tickets From i'm going straight out To Rye. 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Yassa this guy's six foot Seven patrick just 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:11.640 a giant of a man on the, mound very, athletic quick, 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.480 arm and that's something that The cubs immediately believe they 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:20.520 can work with as far as a developmental. Plan this 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:25.560 is a guy who throws ninety six. ISH i believe 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.959 he averages with his fastball, already and he's not using 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:33.720 his lower half as efficiently as he. Can it sounds 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.400 like it's a short, stride not much depth in the lower. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.520 Half they think with like working out their high performance 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:46.520 team working with him and just teaching him how to 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:51.560 use that part of his body, better they, can like 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.160 they're very confident they can add multiple ticks and that 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.680 by like spring, training this guy's going to be close, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:03.680 to if Not touchingle. Digits. Uh that's that's a big. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.320 DEAL I, mean these are the types of things That 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.880 i'm talking about WHEN i, say like working with player 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.079 development like you already. Have you're you're having zooms meetings 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:18.239 with these guys and and talking about plans before you're even. Selected. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.720 Uh and and in figuring these things. Out and guys 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.800 are you, know buying in on plans and saying, okay, 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.760 YEAH i think that makes. Sense, uh that's that's the 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.079 type of stuff that you, know that's what the best orgs. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.800 Do now we need TO i, mean these are. Plans 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.400 so WHEN i say all this, stuff it's important to, 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.439 remember like The cubs haven't done anything yet with these. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.600 GUYS i mean they've done little, things, uh you, know 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.000 in workouts and and talk to them about, stuff but 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.880 they haven't actually executed the plan as of. Yet so 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.880 it's it's we want to you have to see them execute. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:56.840 It but this is a guy that comes from a high, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.720 slot has feel for his breaking, balls and they believe 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.280 they can to add more ticks to it and that 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.560 they can add to his. ARSENAL i think they want 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.160 to add a sinker to this guy's pitching. Repertoire. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.000 YEAH i think with all these, guys you have to 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:15.120 be open minded but. Realistic AND i like hearing sort 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:20.920 of the how and why some of these selections were. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:25.720 Made and that particular PICTURE i believe was recommended by Ty, 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:30.040 nichols The scout who had Recommended Kate. Horton he's you, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:35.439 know a long time experienced scout in The cubs, organization 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.240 and you, KNOW i think he's someone you know that they. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:41.560 Listened. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.640 To definitely that the size jumped, out you, know like 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:48.000 when you're on deadline sort of like piecing together some 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.720 of the, stuff it's, like, oh that dude's six.' seven 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.280 they're taking him in the, third round you know as 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.720 a pure. Reliever play, LIKE yeah i think really what 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.480 you're looking, for too is like what if this guy 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:05.439 just like clicks for, you know one season or a 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.480 post trade deadline in. Another season not, this Year but 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.440 i'm just talking about down, The ROAD like, i think, 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.880 you know to have sort of a realistic view of 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.720 like this guy's, got stuff they've got, a plan and 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:23.080 if you could just sort of capture something a few years. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.760 FROM now, i mean that's really what you're. Looking for 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:32.120 scanning some of these, other names like what pops out. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:33.920 To you obviously you got to go read it On 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.880 the athletic for more, thorough breakdown, but like what are 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.000 two of the other takeaways or names that lit up? 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.360 For, YOU yeah i MEAN the i think it was 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.960 a fourth or Fifth Rounder dillian Mariano From northwestern state 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.000 guy that's. LIKE skinny i think they had him in 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.360 for a workout and he's like one, sixty five he's 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.000 already throwing. NINETY five i think he's Over His northwestern. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.680 State career he jumped a bunch, of ticks and they 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.160 still feel like there's more. In there get him on 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.800 a weight, gaining plan weight, training plan and they believe 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.040 they can add two three. Ticks there. Like that that's 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.760 the type of stuff like immediately there's. A plan immediately, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:17.080 they're like this is how we're going to. Elevate this 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:23.840 This Picture, isaac morton right. Handed pitcher this guy fell 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.280 to the sixth round because he. WAS hurt i think he, 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.440 YOU know i think he was looked at as a 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:34.680 much much higher. Round pitcher University. OF minnesota i think 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.160 he was pitching hurt for a. Little while so like 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:41.120 he was holding ninety six for five six innings and, 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.760 then suddenly, you know for a couple of starts there 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.000 he was at ninety two and at first they were 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.560 saying it. Was, fatigue no he was pitching with a significant. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.520 Injuries underground i'm not sure if he's underground. Surgery yet 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.040 he either will or has. Underground surgery so he's out. 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.560 Right now but they saw him as like the guy 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:04.400 with the best sweeper in the in, the draft one 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.720 of the best sweepers in. The, draft uh and and 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:13.280 like a pretty. Nasty. Sinker uh they're they're they're dreaming 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.480 on him and hoping when he gets healthy that he 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:20.160 could be a pretty special. Uh pitcher uh, YOU know 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.640 i wrote logan web is the dream with. More velocity, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.760 THEY LIKE i i wanna, YOU know i want to 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.840 caveaut all. These things that's what, You, hear, like obviously these, 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:35.880 are dreams these. Are hopes uh is? It? Possible sure is? 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.360 It likely like you need to cave out? That way 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.760 like this is just like these are the wild comps you, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.960 can get uh when when you're talking to people about. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.880 This stuff but they're they're excited about him and and 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.680 think like once they get, Him, healthy uh but health 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.400 is going to be, An issue like it's not the 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.800 first time he's dealt, with injuries and and like if that's, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.240 the case then, you, know uh you just don't know 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.080 when what what's gonna happen and what happens with these 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.240 guys when injuries are. The case and then there's there's 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.040 a kid that they drafted Out. OF clemson i thought this, 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:18.919 Was Interesting AARON. Ariston vesvc so he Committed to georgia 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:23.240 out of high school and as a two, way player 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.480 or he was Committed to georgia as, a catcher and 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.639 then in high school, like randomly like came on the 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.199 mound like they needed pitching and he was throwing like. Ninety, 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.119 five again they didn't really know what they had. With 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.800 him so then he ended up Going to alabama as 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.119 a two way player in two years only pitched like 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.639 three or. Four innings Transferred to clemson where he was 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:51.800 a reliever under thirty innings this past season in twenty, 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:58.000 something appearances but he was touching ninety seven, basically. Fastball 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:03.560 curveball but again what we're talking about with, developmental plans they, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.600 you know they're breaking down like how he throws and 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:11.880 his arm path and and, the like, you know everything 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.199 that he does with how, he moves and they're like 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.840 we can, add this this and this and feel very 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:22.159 confident about being to add. Those things and they have 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.800 a plan for him to add. Multiple pitches like it's 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:30.280 a barely any development any time with, you know tech 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.600 and a real development plan working on, adding pitches. Pitch 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.920 design he's not spent any time really doing that because 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.240 he's been a two way player and just really spend 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.600 time as a reliever this year and only worked with. Two, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.920 pitches uh that's kind of like a, you know we'll 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.679 see what, happens there CAN they i think these are 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.359 the types of things like if you believe that you 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.440 can do these things and, you execute like that's quickly, 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:58.439 proof that, you know pitching development has. Gotten better like 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.200 if we're a year, from now if we're talking about, these, guys, 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.440 like hey, you know four of these guys actually executed 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.600 their plans and are now doing, Different things like that's 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.400 that's when we start Talking, about okay they they they 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:16.040 really did something with their with their. Pitching development it hasn't. 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.440 Happened yet this is all talk right now and and 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.359 and plans and and just you know what they're hoping. 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.959 To do so, he's like but better this two way 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:28.280 guy who. GOT draft. 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.159 I THINK that i think that's we're safe in. SAYING 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.159 that i think we should just go ahead. With That. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:39.960 UH uh i don't think he's going to be a, 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.720 two WAY but i think they drafted him as a 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:46.280 pitcher to, Be, clear okay, all right, uh okay, let's 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.240 uh let's take a, quick break but talk a little 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:53.000 bit about how this impacts the organization and and uh 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:54.040 presently and in. 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:57.879 The future this episode is brought to you By Fan. Duel, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.760 baseball FANS the mlb season in, full swing and FanDuel 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:03.960 is giving you a chance to call your Shot With. 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.159 Daily dingers joining the action. 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They can't first, of all they 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.800 can't be trade. Traded for they could be they could 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.680 be a player to be named later if you wanted 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:35.960 to go. THAT route. I don't i don't think that's 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:40.040 that's what this draft. Was. About uh but now do 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:44.440 do other arms? Become available that's that's. The Question Uh 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:50.560 Is jackson wiggins more? Available Suddenly If, KATE townsend i think, 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.159 they'd argue Is the cubs probably feel like? He's better, 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:58.120 Maybe SLIGHTLY but i Would Say jackson wiggins. Is available 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:02.159 he could you could be had for, you know two 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.639 months of a reliever or maybe even two months of. 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.240 A starter but if you can get a big deal, 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.640 in place they'd be willing to Part With jackson wiggins 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.439 in the, you know a couple of weeks ago that 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:13.720 may have not been. The case. 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:19.960 It does give them, more options and we've seen they're 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:26.840 not exactly shy about trading recent draft picks again getting 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:35.120 beyond that SORT of cba mandated. Roster guidelines but how 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:40.159 do You Get, kyle tucker how do You Get? DAVID 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:46.600 peterson i think there was one other oh Was it soroco? 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:47.440 Last, year. 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:51.760 Anyways they've at the trade deadline in terms of using 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:57.520 guys who were drafted in say whatever the years, are now, 0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.679 twenty three, twenty four, twenty five kind of in that 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.760 time frame of being willing to move those for right. 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:07.000 NOW help i think it's a. GOOD strategy, i think, 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.840 you know you look at how hard it is to 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.200 get to, the majors how long it, can take how 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:16.200 long it before player feels comfortable and ready to perform 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:20.879 at that label at. That level they're in this cycle 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:26.040 now the window. Is open that is interesting to Hear 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.640 about wiggins because he's sort of like the only pitching 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:34.040 PROSPECT that i think gets real traction as sort of 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:37.840 a maybe not, a headliner but like A one b 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:42.359 sort of headliner in a deal like their pitching depth 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:49.000 has been. Severely depleted now there are probably organizations that 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:53.440 may See certain cubs pitching prospects and can run through 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.560 the miles and have a similar plan what you were, 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:57.639 Just discussing toad of just kind of on the other end, of, 0:23:57.680 --> 0:23:59.439 like oh if we get this, guy here give him 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:03.320 this opportunity to make. This tweak there probably are some of, 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.520 those guys but in terms of the like guys that 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:10.520 really move the, lead needle it's Kind. Of wiggans that 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:15.399 is interesting to hear That on, june first EVEN though 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.080 i think he was still injured at, that point you 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:20.120 maybe don't want to give. Him up but now he's last, 0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:23.160 we heard he's pitching in, the minors and they have 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:26.080 a little more inventory on the minor. 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:27.359 League side that does open. 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:30.840 Things, Up yeah and if you're making a list of 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:34.480