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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course, back to Area fifty one. Bob Lazar, who

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Speaker 1: claimed to have worked out at that place, reversed, engineered things,

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Speaker 1: saw strange things. September twentieth, two million people almost have

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Speaker 1: signed up saying that they're going to storm the place.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a mistake. Now. I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: going to get that many people out there. But even

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Speaker 1: if ten thousand people are out there, that's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Even if it's fine, two thousand people out there, it's

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Speaker 1: a problem. I mean, the you know, the government takes

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Speaker 1: their work extremely seriously at these bases, and of course

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Speaker 1: there is always going to be this public fascination about this.

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Speaker 1: But you're so right when you say this, George, You've

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Speaker 1: seen it. I've seen it. They're not messing around here.

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Speaker 1: The work that they do there, they are going to

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Speaker 1: keep it protected for a reason. And some of the

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Speaker 1: reasons we know for sure, some of them we don't know.

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Speaker 1: And that's the way that these bases work. So I

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Speaker 1: when when I first started reading about this, I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: this is this is pretty entertaining, right. It was it

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be a joke. It's a joke, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like, this is pretty funny, let's do this.

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Speaker 1: And and then I worry about the people that you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, are some you know frame of mind, or

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Speaker 1: they're just really you know, upset with the government for

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Speaker 1: one reason or the other, and they think that this

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Speaker 1: is kind of a stance they can take that will

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Speaker 1: that will get them onto the base. And as you said, George,

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Speaker 1: and I've heard you say it, um several times before

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Speaker 1: on the air, it's just a bad idea. It's just

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Speaker 1: a bad idea to put yourself in harm's way. And

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Speaker 1: I think the truly the thing to harness here is

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Speaker 1: that there is this um, there is this interest in

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Speaker 1: Area fifty one, and all of this uh knowledge that

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Speaker 1: the government may or may not have. And if you

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Speaker 1: really want to know this, there are so many more

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Speaker 1: effective ways of trying to to find it out than

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Speaker 1: storming Area fifty one. It's just not a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Watch the government stymy them and simply say, folks, we're

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Speaker 1: going to let you on the base, but not today.

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Speaker 1: We want this organized and controlled. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: have a million people running all over the place. You're

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Speaker 1: going to come in buses. We're going to charter them

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Speaker 1: for you, and that'll diffuse it. That would diffuse it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that day's ever going to come. No,

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Speaker 1: but everybody will still say, you're not showing us the

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Speaker 1: real stuff, of course, right, And that's the thing that

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Speaker 1: I think, well everybody will always say, and I think

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Speaker 1: they have reason to say it, because I mean, the

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Speaker 1: government is not going to There are just some things

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Speaker 1: to the public to see. And you know, it's one

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Speaker 1: of it's what's made it one of the great legends

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Speaker 1: don't think even you can't you know, I call it stories,

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Speaker 1: but it is deeply rooted in fact, and and you

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people have and considerable work trying

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Speaker 1: to expose what really happened there. So I get it.

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Speaker 1: I get people's fascination. I have the same fascination. But

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Speaker 1: I do think we have to be realists. I think

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Speaker 1: we have to think about this and go about it

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Speaker 1: smarter ways than storming Area fifty one. Absolutely. I think

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Speaker 1: primarily that base is used for military technology that is

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Speaker 1: beyond anything we can even comprehend right now, Do they

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Speaker 1: have reverse engineered UFOs that they have Maybe that's possible,

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Speaker 1: but I think primarily it's a military installation. They've got

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Speaker 1: You know. I have deep, deep respect for our men

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Speaker 1: go through to keep us safe. I'm also an investigative journalist,

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Speaker 1: so I'm I'm constantly pressing the military for answers and

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Speaker 1: in usually you know, thanks to really break men and

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Speaker 1: women that will come forward with problems they see in

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Speaker 1: the military. It's not a perfect institution, but you do

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Speaker 1: have to take um a lot of respect and thought

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the reasons of you know, testing

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Speaker 1: whatever they have to test out there. UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: is if if there is knowledge of life beyond our planet, um,

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Speaker 1: and the government has this, you know, if that knowledge

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Speaker 1: and what if people in the government start to realize

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Speaker 1: that they too have been misled. Of course, my book

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Speaker 1: it is definitely an issue for us all to think about,

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Speaker 1: as if this proof came out. Let's say these people

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Speaker 1: stormed Area fifty one and they found some kind of proof,

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Speaker 1: and the ripple effect that it would have on our economy,

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Speaker 1: our world would be I think difficult for us to

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Speaker 1: really comprehend until it happened. It would just be a

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Speaker 1: game changer for everyone. You could see pictures of the

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Speaker 1: people standing by UFOs on Facebook, you would and profile

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Speaker 1: pictures there with me and the alien that they did

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Speaker 1: the you know, the inspection on So yeah, it would

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Speaker 1: it would definitely be a game changer. I've got to

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Speaker 1: give my colleague George Knap credit. Also, Jeremy for sticking

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Speaker 1: his neck out covering so many UFO stories that he

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Speaker 1: has done on television. Of course works in Las Vegas, right,

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Speaker 1: and you know he's he's you know, you're you're under

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Speaker 1: a lot of criticism and fire when you deal with

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Speaker 1: these stories on a regular basis. Oh you do. And

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Speaker 1: you know, along with my respect for the whistleblowers that

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Speaker 1: come forward and ask these kind of questions? And I

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Speaker 1: but again, I like to think that we have moved

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Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about it. You and I have

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Speaker 1: talked about it, this whole realm of fake news and

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Speaker 1: how this plagues journalists, m and your listeners I think

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Speaker 1: has that desire to know the truth. And so for

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Speaker 1: the men and women that go out there and really

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Speaker 1: pursue that truth, whatever they're doing, if they're in the military,

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Speaker 1: And so it's a it's an interesting road for me

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Speaker 1: and I, you know, I can't afford to have facts

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Speaker 1: speculative fiction that does you know, free me up a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But you know, the one commonality I think

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Speaker 1: in research. Because I think that's what that's what makes

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Speaker 1: He was a hired skeptic. He was on the payroll

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