WEBVTT - I, Tonya 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.760 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.800 women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:12.280 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy zef in best 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.000 start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and welcome 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.360 to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte, my 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:24.440 name is Jamie Loftz, and it's your birthday episode, Jamie 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:30.920 the episode. I'm so excited. Oh and boy do we 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:35.199 have my favorite movie of all time for you today. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.040 So what we are doing today on the Bechtel Cast 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:40.720 and we will get you up to speed. If you've 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.559 never listened before, welcome, It's my birthday. We're gonna tell 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:47.000 you what the podcast is about in a second. But 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:52.320 for for returning listeners, we are unlocking an episode from 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:59.800 our patreon ak Matreon back from eighteen yeah early, which, 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.840 as we'll discuss, was in a way five thousand years ago. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.760 But but yeah, it's an episode about Titania, one of 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.080 my faves. And so if you're not a member of 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.040 the Matreon, this will be your first time. And if 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.160 you also, if you're not a member of the Matreon, 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.520 you know, think about joining us. It's a great little 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:26.240 space for for everybody, beautiful community. But yes, uh, it 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.800 is Italian Day on the cast. But first we have 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.840 to tell everybody what our podcast is about, because we 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.080 don't do that in Patreon episodes. If you're on the Matreon, 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:40.640 you already know what you're getting into. But this, but 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:42.840 on the main fade, we have to We have to 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.040 be respectful of the fact that maybe it's your first 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:50.520 time here because you're just an itonia stand and you 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.560 couldn't help but click so true. So what we do 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:59.400 on the Bechtel Cast is examine film through an intersectional 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.800 feminist lens, focusing on the representation of women, but extending 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:08.000 the conversation further to other topics. And we use the 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:14.800 Bechdel Test as a just inspiration jumping off point, if 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:19.280 you will. And that is a media metric created by 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.120 queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Test, 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:28.040 and it requires that for our purposes, are version of 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:33.880 the test that too, people of any marginalized gender. They 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.560 have to have names, they have to speak to each 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.000 other about something other than a man for at least 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:44.440 two lines of dialogue. Let's try it, Okay, let's do it. Okay, 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:49.720 Hey Caitlin, Yes, Jamie. Um, do you ever feel like 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.359 in a biopic you're like, this biopic is so amazing, 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.240 and then you learn about the subject of the biopic 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:02.200 and you're like, oh, jeez um, yes, I have done 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.360 that before, especially when the biopic is about a woman. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.400 It makes you think and then it passes the Bechtel test. Yeah, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.760 it doesn't have to be perfect, doesn't have to make sense, 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:18.480 just really some bare minimum stuff. Most movies don't do it. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.560 You will not be shocked to know this movie is 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.640 an exception. It's true. But yes, so we're gonna get 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.040 the episode started up. We're gonna kind of cut you 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:34.000 in at the recap, right, yeah, slightly before the recap. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.320 So what I was thinking, because since we've recorded this 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.800 two and a half years two and a half years ago, right, 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.640 so a little um, a little peek behind the curtain everyone. 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.360 We recorded this early. It was when we were still 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:51.640 recording our Matreon Patreon episodes on my iPhone. In my 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:55.560 bed was the one that was on your eye. They're 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.720 usually pre COVID. They were all in your bed, but 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.480 not all on your I've uh, there's a clear timeline 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:07.840 if if you're right, we the early UM Patreon episodes 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.480 we recorded on my iPhone, so the sound quality is 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.200 not bad. But if it doesn't sound top notch, that 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.040 is why it was early days in the in the majors, 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.600 then we upgraded to some fancier equipment, but in any case, 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.400 so that if you're like, this doesn't sound as good 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.440 as it normally does, that's why UM. Also before we 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.880 jump into the episode, we wanted to address something that 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.520 we have had the habit of doing in the past, 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.400 but we have been we've become more aware of this 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.720 thing that we're doing and we have been phasing it out. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.520 And what it is is the use of certain phrases 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:52.359 or just certain language that is disparaging of mental illness 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.919 and is able list and what I mean what we 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.480 mean by that is we use in this episode and 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:04.040 others passed phrases like oh, that's crazy or that's insane 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:08.800 or um etcetera. From from that line of thinking, this 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.920 is still very common language that a lot of people use, 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.160 and we would encourage you to try to scale back 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.800 on it, get rid of it, not include that in 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.200 your language anymore, because like we said, it is disparaging 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:25.680 of mental illness and is able list. And so if 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.720 you are interested, we will leave some uh some links 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.680 in the notes of this episode, UM in case you 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.800 have any questions about um certain words, uses of words. 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.680 We want to UM educate our listeners just as our 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.240 listeners have educated us. These are words that have since 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.279 been worked out of the show and our lives, and 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.520 we hope to continue to do better. And you know, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.360 if if these are still words in your daily rotation, uh, 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.520 there are so many wonderful substitutes. That's the thing about words. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.760 You don't need to use uh, words that are disparaging 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.960 to be well because guess what, there's other words. It's 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.559 true synonyms exist, so we wanted to acknowledge that as well. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.200 Oh and another thing we want to be better about 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:12.400 doing moving forward is to include content warnings for episodes 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:17.080 in which we discuss topics that are sensitive and potentially triggering. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.839 So in this episode, we'd like to include a content 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:27.239 warning regarding our discussion of physical and emotional abuse. So 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:32.480 there's that, And and we also wanted to update our 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.320 history with the movie because we uh we recorded this 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.880 episode just a couple months, I mean the two maybe 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.159 months after this movie came out. Um, and so you 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:47.880 know the the movie has like whatever eight couples in 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:52.000 age that we talked about eight couple that's not even 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:56.479 accurate or whatever. It's older. It's much older, right, And 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.479 and you're especially your relationship with that Jamie has grown 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.880 and gotten more special, grown and deepened. Yeah. So for me, 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.160 I mean we both saw the movie in theaters a 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.760 couple of times. I really enjoyed it. I haven't watched 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.800 it though since we recorded the episode, aside from when 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.440 I rewatched it a couple of days ago, just too 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.200 because I know we were doing this episode and wanted 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.600 to refresh my memory. Um. But for you, Jamie, the 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.360 reason so you're releasing this as your birthday episode because 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.920 it's become such an important movie for you, So tell 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.040 us about that. It's well, I guess when this movie 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.679 came out, I knew it was one of my favorite 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.920 movies already because I saw it nine times in theaters, 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.559 which I have never done before and never did since 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.960 this episode Slash. This movie came out during this wonderful 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.520 time where movie pass was a thing that worked and 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:54.080 it actually cost ten dollars, and so the only thing 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:55.960 I used my movie pass for was to see I 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.640 Tania at nine times and I unsubscribed and then movie passed. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.679 Employ did and no one has heard from her since. 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:07.880 But so I saw this movie nine times within two months. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:12.560 I think I just loved it. There is like I've 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:17.840 always been very attached to the Tanya Harding myth. Basically 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.160 it's a culture, you know, an American myth. At this point. 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:25.000 I my first cartoon I ever made was about Tanya Harding. 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.080 Remember that. Really it was like, yeah, it was forever ago, 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.640 but I really always I'm sure to talk about in 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.959 the episode two, but I was always very attached to her, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.480 just kind of as like someone who came from like 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.319 the lower middle class. I think Tanya came up from 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.000 an even lower class than than I was from. But 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.120 I just was really, I really it really spoke to 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.559 me how determined she was and how she didn't take 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.080 shipped from people, and kind of how that attitude results 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.720 in being punished by the culture that you live in, 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:02.000 especially at the time that she was skating. And I 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.920 think the movie is so well done. It's written and 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.720 directed by a man, and yet I like it and 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:12.840 it's sometimes men don't do horrible work. Really, they really 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.000 figured it out this time. I I rewatched this movie 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.400 last week, and I still love it so much. It 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.800 makes me cry a lot. It's the only time I've 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:26.319 ever been impressed by Sebastian stan Uh, Margot Robbie's at 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.480 her best. I just I think it is such a 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.840 fun and engaging movie that manages to make I think, 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.280 like takes a lot of very serious topics and treats 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.880 them with the weight and the respect they deserve, but 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:43.520 also don't make it like a depression experience. I think 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:47.200 it's still like a super engaging and fun movie. And 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.600 after the last time I saw this movie in a theater, 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.560 I was seeing this movie in theaters as late as July. Wow, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.720 because I think you remember this when I say it's 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.920 because as they did a rooftop screening of Ae Tania 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:07.400 in downtown Los Angeles and Tanya Harding was there, And 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.800 it's here that I wanted to just acknowledge because it's 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.520 just interesting, I guess of like, I mean, obviously, never 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.120 meet your heroes, but this one stung a little Like 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:22.240 Tanya Harding very sweet, but she gave kind of like 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.280 some opening statements and I actually I'm going to cite 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.240 myself here. I wrote a piece about it at the 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.679 time for a paste magazine called Falling out of Love 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.520 a Tanya Harding, and that kind of says what I'm 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.079 saying now. Just like Tanya Harding was a kind of 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.640 a hero of mine, and like she overcame so much 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.400 and was like, you know, maintained her dignity through a 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.079 really difficult experience. But then when you hear her talk 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:53.079 about her political views, you're like, oh, dear, she didn't 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.600 get explicitly into her political views in that, but there 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.200 was enough. There was some uh so bat signaling to 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:05.280 some things I really don't agree with, and it I mean, 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.080 and I'm sure like our our listeners, everyone at some 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.439 point in their life realizes that you have to idolize 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.240 the idea and the message and not the person. But 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.160 this was one of those moments for me where I 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.080 was just like I wanted, you know, I wanted to 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.520 agree with Tanya Harding on everything. I wanted her to 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.960 have like views that I aligned with, but um simply 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.040 wasn't the way it went. But I still really love 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:35.040 the movie. I feel like it is just my favorite 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.840 movie ever. I watch it all the time I wanted 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.440 to fall asleep. I watch it to call like, I 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:46.320 just it's my movie. I love it. Yeah. Cool, Well, 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:54.920 I think with that we can just launch into you know, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.000 in a movie when they do like kind of like 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.640 it's some sort of call that effect. It's like transition 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.760 is like a ripple, like like the ripple effect, like 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:08.360 the dream, like the flashbacks. It's imagine that whatever the 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:17.480 audio version of that is. We that's so okay. I 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.640 Tania is if You're not aware? Is the new Tanya 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:26.079 Harding biopic starring Margot Robbie as Tanya Harding and Alison 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:30.640 Janney as Tanya Harding's mother, and a guy from Gossip 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:35.600 Girl as Jeff Lally hot hot hot Jeff really hot 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.280 hot hot in this movie distracting, can't deal with it, 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.360 and I'm very upset that I think he's hot because 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.800 his character is horrible. His character is and as a person, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.040 he's a horrible person, and real life Jeff really not hot. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.559 Basically everyone real life in this story not hot. But 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.920 it's a movie so hot. Sorry, I just explained how 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.880 movies worked like regular but like way hotter. So So 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:03.120 it's about for Olympics, where a media frenzy surrounding Tanya 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:08.480 Hardening when she allegedly was involved with whacking Nancy Kerrigan, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:13.120 who is barely addressed in this story very intentionally and 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.080 we'll get there too. But so it's got a lot 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:21.440 of buns of Marco Robbie. People loved her performance, Alison 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:27.320 Janny queer icon, Alison Jenny's character Janson Janny and Jenny 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.840 queer icon, but I would argue Alison Janny and a 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:34.480 fur coat with a parent queer icon like easily. So yeah, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.000 that's the movie. If you haven't seen it, I would 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.400 highly recommend sing it. I think it's such a fun, 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.840 well done movie. I love it. Are The one thing 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.439 I was surprised about with this movie is I mean 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.560 when they say I Tanya, they're not kidding. Nancy Kerrigan 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.280 is like left out of this story, which I think. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.439 I don't even think she has any lines except for 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:59.880 when she's like why after she gets hit exactly yeah no. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.440 And then they have whoever the actress that was on 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.200 set for two or three days playing the part of 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.600 Nancy Karen, They just have her basically reenacting news footage, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.240 which is weird because it's like in all like the 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.440 more recent documentaries about this, there's a lot of talk 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.440 about how like Nancy was also done a huge disservice 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.600 by the media and not I mean, not as significant 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.040 as Tanya obviously, but you know, Nancy didn't do anything. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.560 I feel like Nancy often gets framed as like this, 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:34.720 like prissy bitch when Nancy, which they this was like 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:36.760 the thing that I was like, Oh, they're really not 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.760 going to mention this in the movie at all. Nancy 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.440 was just as poor as Tanya Harding. She was not 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.480 from an abusive family, but she was also like a 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:48.120 blue collar gal who was reframed by the media to 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.640 not seem like that and was like held accountable for like, oh, 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.240 look at this rich bitch when she wasn't. And so 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:57.400 that's all I have to say. I just thought it 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.760 was she she's really glossed over. I mean, this movie 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.400 is we're seeing it through Tanya's eyes, and so I 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.040 guess it's like Nancy's a pressy bitch. But I thought 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.360 a little more could have been done to just acknowledge that. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:12.240 May I posit a theory sure that this movie is 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:17.200 the first of a figure skating extended universe cinematic universe 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.640 and there's going to be and I Nancy. Could I 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:26.520 play Nancy Kerrigan? Yes, I cast you rememb Burnett from Massachusetts. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:31.080 I could do it. Yeah, you've done ballet figure skating. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.840 His ballet on ice, right, dude, exactly. Don't send me 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.200 hate mail for saying so. I feel like there's someone 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:44.800 out there. No, it's I mean figures hard. I could not. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.240 I couldn't hang. I tried it when I was little, 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.280 couldn't do it. I got really good at roller skating 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:55.960 as a kid, and not roller blades roller skates. Oh sorry, 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:03.080 yeah they're different. Sorry didn't but I never I never 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.280 ice skated until like a couple of years ago. Uh, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.120 and some of the skills do transfer over. Because all 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.480 my friends were like falling because I've never like roller 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.160 skated or ice skated before. But I was like pretty 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.640 good beginner and they were like, Caitlin, how are you 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.920 so good at this? I'm like, bitch, I roller skated. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:24.200 You're you have a lot of interesting hidden talent. You 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:30.760 really do. Thank you. Recap. Yeah, let's recap Tania. So 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:36.040 it's this cast of actors reenacting both interviews that are 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:40.240 like direct to camera and then also the story events 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.840 as they unfold. So every actor we see, we see 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.400 they're basically playing the same character over the course of 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.480 almost three decades. Like I think Margot Robbie plays Tanya 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:54.520 between ages fifteen and forty and then yeah, so you 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:59.680 see like older Tanya played by Margot Robbie in interview style, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.480 same thing with what's his name, Stan Sebastian Stan Stan 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:09.640 hot hot Okay, I know he's so hot as young 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.960 Jeff Gluely, as older Jeff Gluey without weird goatee horrible. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.320 The mustache is better. He's got somehow, he's got a 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.360 face that works for a real life Jeff Gluly did 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.560 look like straight up disgusting with the mustache. But I 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.639 mean this again, it's like movie hotness of just like 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.520 I guess you can just wear that and it's hot. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:34.280 Well shit, Okay, my favorite performance in this movie. Margot 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.320 Robbie is awesome. Alison Jenny is awesome. My favorite performance 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:38.840 in this movie. I have to look at this guy's 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.399 name because he is like, I think this is his 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.960 big first like the guy who plays s Yeah, unbelieving 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.120 Paul Walter Houser. I hope he's in everything. He was 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:53.600 so good. This is a breakout role for him. I hope. So, dude, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:57.080 he was so fucking funny. I know, and I wasn't. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.200 I didn't realize that I've never done like a real 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.640 deep dive on Sean Ekart and I didn't realize how 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.679 fully delusional he was. And then when they do at 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.439 the end, they do like the side by side to 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.800 see how exactly they re enacted interviews. The Sean card 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.439 interviews are crazy. He's like, probably work in covert ops, 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:19.680 counter terrorism, like espionage, and you're like, what, They're like, Sean, 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.399 but you don't. He goes but he's like, but we 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.320 checked in, you don't. He's like, oh, but I do. 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:30.760 I do? And I He's so fucking funny, and like, 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.359 I just shout out to Paul walter Hauser wherever you are. 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.800 I'm sure you're listening. I just thought he was like brilliant, 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.480 and I hope he's in everything now. Yeah, he was. 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.480 So he was so great. So I Tania the story. 0:18:44.760 --> 0:19:00.280 We follow Iitania through her ice skating Iania harding, how 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.800 are we going to record another episode after this? It's 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.119 gonna be great. We followed Tania where I think she 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.760 is named through her finger skating career, which starts when 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.360 she's a soft four, which means three. So we meet 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:19.280 her mother, Lavanna, who is how to describe her, She's overbearing, 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:24.080 she is emotionally abusive, she's physically abusive. She is one 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.440 of those parents who look at all the sacrifices I've 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.400 made for you and you don't appreciate anything. And she's 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:34.040 a very bad parent. We'll hit on this in a 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.760 bunch of different places, but this movie. People have differing 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.560 opinions on how this movie does with the topic of class. 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.800 I think it does pretty well, especially based on the 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.200 fact that from what I get, and if you know differently, 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.800 please hit us up. But pretty much every event described 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:56.159 in this movie is based on anecdotal evidence and interviews. 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.560 So it's kind of tricky to make the argument of 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.360 like they're making these white trash people look like a joke, 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.080 and it's like, well, they did confirm that this is 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:09.080 what they did down to like that guy Derek's like 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.720 running through a fucking pane of glass to get like 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:16.400 that really happened. There's footage of that happening. Yeah, Like 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.280 all the stuff in the movie basically is stuff that 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.080 real life idiots. Did Wait, did it happen where he 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.560 bash just head through it? Because he had the baton, 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.520 he could have broken the glass with I guess that's possible. 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.480 I don't know anyways, the way this movie deals with class, 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.040 because it does make a commentary without changing the story. 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.119 But I don't know. I mean, I was fortunate to 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.040 have parents that were not abusive and are great. They're 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.879 my problematic faiths, But I do think it was like 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.000 interesting setting up this dynamic and showing this dynamic that 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.680 I saw in a lot of my friends growing up, 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:54.760 of like parents in poor communities being too hard on 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:59.879 their kids, with the implied logic being like I needed 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:01.520 toffen you up for the world, or you're going to 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.000 end up just like me, which is kind of the 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.879 message that's kind of Tanya's fear throughout the movie is 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:09.720 that she's going to be exactly like her mom and 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.520 be a waitress, which she is for a while, and 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.560 it seems like and it's never explicitly stated, but my 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.959 takeaway was that like Levana was basically like, I'm going 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.800 to be really, really really hard on you to the 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.760 point where it is illegal abusive. I'm gonna throw a 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.320 knife at you, but the overarching thing to be like, 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.440 I have to toughen you up because you're being set 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.239 up to fail by the world, and that is like 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:40.879 a parent child dynamic I've seen before, and I feel 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:44.159 like I haven't seen a ton on screen, so I 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.280 thought it was I mean, it was like scary, but like, 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.679 I don't know it worked for me or if you 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.280 do see it on screen, it's I feel like it's 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:56.760 often not the main character. It will be like the 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:01.520 main character's friend who who needs rescuing. Yeah. An example 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.240 that comes to mind as the craft where sure right right, 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:06.960 And I'm if I thought about it, I'm sure I 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.399 could come up with others, but yeah, I don't know. Like, 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.480 so there were certain moments with her. I was like, oh, 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.160 that seems like my aunt or like my friend's mom 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:17.280 of like some lines I wrote down where like you 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.160 were soft nice makes you ship like basically these repeated 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.800 enforcements like you have to be really tough on yourself 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:26.600 and on everyone in your life or you're not going 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.360 to survive um, which is you know, I see where 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.960 she's coming from. I don't hard disagree with our approach 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:37.080 to literally everything, but but I think the more common 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.919 depiction in media over arch, Like there's so many FU 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:45.480 movies about like rich children and their distant parents, not 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:50.600 poor children, and they're overbearing to the point of abusive parents. 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:52.480 But I think in the real world those are just 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:55.880 as common. I mean, so there's I think it'll take 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.199 me the whole episode to get through the recap, but 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:02.439 essentially it just it follows Tanya and her figure skating career, 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.440 starting from a very early age. She's a standout. She's 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.400 very good, even if like she's a she's a stand 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:14.120 up comic Harshly Season three, Tiny Harding story, the marvelous 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.880 Mrs Harden. So she is great, she trains a ton, 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.600 her mom does pay for all of her lessons, and 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:25.679 is supportive in her pursuit of becoming a figure skater. 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.120 But again, that's like kind of like another class commentary thing, 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:33.320 where like I think we're like children of poor families 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.920 often feel like they are an investment if they're doing 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:40.719 anything extra, where like kids who are from wealthier backgrounds 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:43.800 are able to try more extracurriculars and and there's less 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.160 of like a pressure to be like, well, you better 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.320 have fucking fun. Supportive in the sense that she was 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.800 paying for it, that she was there, but also inflicting 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:56.840 a whole lot of psychological warfare on Tanya. It was 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:00.719 like it was basically a contract for abuse of Like, 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:02.440 in order for you to do the thing that makes 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.199 you happy, I have to be able to fucking be 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.800 all out abusive to you at all times. And that's 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:11.000 the only way she could keep doing it. Right. So 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.440 we see Tanya's progress as a figure skater into her 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:16.600 teens in early twenties, and this is also around the 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:19.520 time that she meets Jeff Galuley. I don't know how 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:21.800 old he is when they meet, but she's only fifteen 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.720 and he's probably I think he's I think he's supposed 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:29.320 to be nineteen or twenty. Well, that's upsetting. So they 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:33.159 start dating and then he starts becoming abusive toward her 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:38.440