1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy zef in best 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and welcome 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte, my 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: name is Jamie Loftz, and it's your birthday episode, Jamie 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: the episode. I'm so excited. Oh and boy do we 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: have my favorite movie of all time for you today. 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: So what we are doing today on the Bechtel Cast 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: and we will get you up to speed. If you've 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: never listened before, welcome, It's my birthday. We're gonna tell 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: you what the podcast is about in a second. But 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: for for returning listeners, we are unlocking an episode from 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: our patreon ak Matreon back from eighteen yeah early, which, 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: as we'll discuss, was in a way five thousand years ago. 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: But but yeah, it's an episode about Titania, one of 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: my faves. And so if you're not a member of 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: the Matreon, this will be your first time. And if 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: you also, if you're not a member of the Matreon, 20 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, think about joining us. It's a great little 21 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: space for for everybody, beautiful community. But yes, uh, it 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: is Italian Day on the cast. But first we have 23 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: to tell everybody what our podcast is about, because we 24 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: don't do that in Patreon episodes. If you're on the Matreon, 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: you already know what you're getting into. But this, but 26 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: on the main fade, we have to We have to 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: be respectful of the fact that maybe it's your first 28 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: time here because you're just an itonia stand and you 29 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: couldn't help but click so true. So what we do 30 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: on the Bechtel Cast is examine film through an intersectional 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: feminist lens, focusing on the representation of women, but extending 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: the conversation further to other topics. And we use the 33 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: Bechdel Test as a just inspiration jumping off point, if 34 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: you will. And that is a media metric created by 35 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Test, 36 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: and it requires that for our purposes, are version of 37 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: the test that too, people of any marginalized gender. They 38 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: have to have names, they have to speak to each 39 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: other about something other than a man for at least 40 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: two lines of dialogue. Let's try it, Okay, let's do it. Okay, 41 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: Hey Caitlin, Yes, Jamie. Um, do you ever feel like 42 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: in a biopic you're like, this biopic is so amazing, 43 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: and then you learn about the subject of the biopic 44 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, jeez um, yes, I have done 45 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: that before, especially when the biopic is about a woman. 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: It makes you think and then it passes the Bechtel test. Yeah, 47 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be perfect, doesn't have to make sense, 48 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: just really some bare minimum stuff. Most movies don't do it. 49 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: You will not be shocked to know this movie is 50 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: an exception. It's true. But yes, so we're gonna get 51 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: the episode started up. We're gonna kind of cut you 52 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: in at the recap, right, yeah, slightly before the recap. 53 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: So what I was thinking, because since we've recorded this 54 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: two and a half years two and a half years ago, right, 55 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: so a little um, a little peek behind the curtain everyone. 56 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: We recorded this early. It was when we were still 57 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: recording our Matreon Patreon episodes on my iPhone. In my 58 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: bed was the one that was on your eye. They're 59 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: usually pre COVID. They were all in your bed, but 60 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: not all on your I've uh, there's a clear timeline 61 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: if if you're right, we the early UM Patreon episodes 62 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: we recorded on my iPhone, so the sound quality is 63 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: not bad. But if it doesn't sound top notch, that 64 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: is why it was early days in the in the majors, 65 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: then we upgraded to some fancier equipment, but in any case, 66 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: so that if you're like, this doesn't sound as good 67 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: as it normally does, that's why UM. Also before we 68 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: jump into the episode, we wanted to address something that 69 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: we have had the habit of doing in the past, 70 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: but we have been we've become more aware of this 71 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: thing that we're doing and we have been phasing it out. 72 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: And what it is is the use of certain phrases 73 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: or just certain language that is disparaging of mental illness 74 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: and is able list and what I mean what we 75 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: mean by that is we use in this episode and 76 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: others passed phrases like oh, that's crazy or that's insane 77 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: or um etcetera. From from that line of thinking, this 78 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: is still very common language that a lot of people use, 79 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: and we would encourage you to try to scale back 80 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: on it, get rid of it, not include that in 81 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: your language anymore, because like we said, it is disparaging 82 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: of mental illness and is able list. And so if 83 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: you are interested, we will leave some uh some links 84 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: in the notes of this episode, UM in case you 85 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: have any questions about um certain words, uses of words. 86 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: We want to UM educate our listeners just as our 87 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: listeners have educated us. These are words that have since 88 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: been worked out of the show and our lives, and 89 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: we hope to continue to do better. And you know, 90 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: if if these are still words in your daily rotation, uh, 91 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: there are so many wonderful substitutes. That's the thing about words. 92 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: You don't need to use uh, words that are disparaging 93 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: to be well because guess what, there's other words. It's 94 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,559 Speaker 1: true synonyms exist, so we wanted to acknowledge that as well. 95 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: Oh and another thing we want to be better about 96 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: doing moving forward is to include content warnings for episodes 97 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: in which we discuss topics that are sensitive and potentially triggering. 98 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: So in this episode, we'd like to include a content 99 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 1: warning regarding our discussion of physical and emotional abuse. So 100 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: there's that, And and we also wanted to update our 101 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: history with the movie because we uh we recorded this 102 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: episode just a couple months, I mean the two maybe 103 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: months after this movie came out. Um, and so you 104 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: know the the movie has like whatever eight couples in 105 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: age that we talked about eight couple that's not even 106 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: accurate or whatever. It's older. It's much older, right, And 107 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: and you're especially your relationship with that Jamie has grown 108 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: and gotten more special, grown and deepened. Yeah. So for me, 109 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: I mean we both saw the movie in theaters a 110 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: couple of times. I really enjoyed it. I haven't watched 111 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: it though since we recorded the episode, aside from when 112 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: I rewatched it a couple of days ago, just too 113 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: because I know we were doing this episode and wanted 114 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: to refresh my memory. Um. But for you, Jamie, the 115 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: reason so you're releasing this as your birthday episode because 116 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: it's become such an important movie for you, So tell 117 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: us about that. It's well, I guess when this movie 118 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 1: came out, I knew it was one of my favorite 119 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: movies already because I saw it nine times in theaters, 120 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 1: which I have never done before and never did since 121 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: this episode Slash. This movie came out during this wonderful 122 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: time where movie pass was a thing that worked and 123 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: it actually cost ten dollars, and so the only thing 124 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: I used my movie pass for was to see I 125 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: Tania at nine times and I unsubscribed and then movie passed. 126 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 1: Employ did and no one has heard from her since. 127 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: But so I saw this movie nine times within two months. 128 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: I think I just loved it. There is like I've 129 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: always been very attached to the Tanya Harding myth. Basically 130 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: it's a culture, you know, an American myth. At this point. 131 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: I my first cartoon I ever made was about Tanya Harding. 132 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: Remember that. Really it was like, yeah, it was forever ago, 133 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: but I really always I'm sure to talk about in 134 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: the episode two, but I was always very attached to her, 135 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: just kind of as like someone who came from like 136 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: the lower middle class. I think Tanya came up from 137 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: an even lower class than than I was from. But 138 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: I just was really, I really it really spoke to 139 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: me how determined she was and how she didn't take 140 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: shipped from people, and kind of how that attitude results 141 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: in being punished by the culture that you live in, 142 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: especially at the time that she was skating. And I 143 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: think the movie is so well done. It's written and 144 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: directed by a man, and yet I like it and 145 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: it's sometimes men don't do horrible work. Really, they really 146 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: figured it out this time. I I rewatched this movie 147 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: last week, and I still love it so much. It 148 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: makes me cry a lot. It's the only time I've 149 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: ever been impressed by Sebastian stan Uh, Margot Robbie's at 150 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: her best. I just I think it is such a 151 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: fun and engaging movie that manages to make I think, 152 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: like takes a lot of very serious topics and treats 153 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: them with the weight and the respect they deserve, but 154 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: also don't make it like a depression experience. I think 155 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: it's still like a super engaging and fun movie. And 156 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: after the last time I saw this movie in a theater, 157 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: I was seeing this movie in theaters as late as July. Wow, 158 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: because I think you remember this when I say it's 159 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: because as they did a rooftop screening of Ae Tania 160 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: in downtown Los Angeles and Tanya Harding was there, And 161 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: it's here that I wanted to just acknowledge because it's 162 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: just interesting, I guess of like, I mean, obviously, never 163 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: meet your heroes, but this one stung a little Like 164 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: Tanya Harding very sweet, but she gave kind of like 165 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: some opening statements and I actually I'm going to cite 166 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: myself here. I wrote a piece about it at the 167 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: time for a paste magazine called Falling out of Love 168 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: a Tanya Harding, and that kind of says what I'm 169 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: saying now. Just like Tanya Harding was a kind of 170 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: a hero of mine, and like she overcame so much 171 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: and was like, you know, maintained her dignity through a 172 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: really difficult experience. But then when you hear her talk 173 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: about her political views, you're like, oh, dear, she didn't 174 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: get explicitly into her political views in that, but there 175 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: was enough. There was some uh so bat signaling to 176 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: some things I really don't agree with, and it I mean, 177 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sure like our our listeners, everyone at some 178 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: point in their life realizes that you have to idolize 179 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: the idea and the message and not the person. But 180 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: this was one of those moments for me where I 181 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: was just like I wanted, you know, I wanted to 182 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: agree with Tanya Harding on everything. I wanted her to 183 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: have like views that I aligned with, but um simply 184 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: wasn't the way it went. But I still really love 185 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: the movie. I feel like it is just my favorite 186 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: movie ever. I watch it all the time I wanted 187 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: to fall asleep. I watch it to call like, I 188 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: just it's my movie. I love it. Yeah. Cool, Well, 189 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: I think with that we can just launch into you know, 190 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: in a movie when they do like kind of like 191 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: it's some sort of call that effect. It's like transition 192 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: is like a ripple, like like the ripple effect, like 193 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: the dream, like the flashbacks. It's imagine that whatever the 194 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: audio version of that is. We that's so okay. I 195 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: Tania is if You're not aware? Is the new Tanya 196 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: Harding biopic starring Margot Robbie as Tanya Harding and Alison 197 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: Janney as Tanya Harding's mother, and a guy from Gossip 198 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: Girl as Jeff Lally hot hot hot Jeff really hot 199 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: hot hot in this movie distracting, can't deal with it, 200 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: and I'm very upset that I think he's hot because 201 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: his character is horrible. His character is and as a person, 202 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: he's a horrible person, and real life Jeff really not hot. 203 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: Basically everyone real life in this story not hot. But 204 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: it's a movie so hot. Sorry, I just explained how 205 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: movies worked like regular but like way hotter. So So 206 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: it's about for Olympics, where a media frenzy surrounding Tanya 207 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: Hardening when she allegedly was involved with whacking Nancy Kerrigan, 208 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: who is barely addressed in this story very intentionally and 209 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: we'll get there too. But so it's got a lot 210 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: of buns of Marco Robbie. People loved her performance, Alison 211 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: Janny queer icon, Alison Jenny's character Janson Janny and Jenny 212 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: queer icon, but I would argue Alison Janny and a 213 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: fur coat with a parent queer icon like easily. So yeah, 214 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: that's the movie. If you haven't seen it, I would 215 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: highly recommend sing it. I think it's such a fun, 216 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: well done movie. I love it. Are The one thing 217 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: I was surprised about with this movie is I mean 218 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: when they say I Tanya, they're not kidding. Nancy Kerrigan 219 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: is like left out of this story, which I think. 220 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: I don't even think she has any lines except for 221 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: when she's like why after she gets hit exactly yeah no. 222 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: And then they have whoever the actress that was on 223 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: set for two or three days playing the part of 224 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: Nancy Karen, They just have her basically reenacting news footage, 225 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: which is weird because it's like in all like the 226 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: more recent documentaries about this, there's a lot of talk 227 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: about how like Nancy was also done a huge disservice 228 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: by the media and not I mean, not as significant 229 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: as Tanya obviously, but you know, Nancy didn't do anything. 230 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: I feel like Nancy often gets framed as like this, 231 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: like prissy bitch when Nancy, which they this was like 232 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: the thing that I was like, Oh, they're really not 233 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: going to mention this in the movie at all. Nancy 234 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: was just as poor as Tanya Harding. She was not 235 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: from an abusive family, but she was also like a 236 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: blue collar gal who was reframed by the media to 237 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: not seem like that and was like held accountable for like, oh, 238 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: look at this rich bitch when she wasn't. And so 239 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: that's all I have to say. I just thought it 240 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: was she she's really glossed over. I mean, this movie 241 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: is we're seeing it through Tanya's eyes, and so I 242 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: guess it's like Nancy's a pressy bitch. But I thought 243 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: a little more could have been done to just acknowledge that. 244 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: May I posit a theory sure that this movie is 245 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: the first of a figure skating extended universe cinematic universe 246 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: and there's going to be and I Nancy. Could I 247 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: play Nancy Kerrigan? Yes, I cast you rememb Burnett from Massachusetts. 248 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: I could do it. Yeah, you've done ballet figure skating. 249 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: His ballet on ice, right, dude, exactly. Don't send me 250 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: hate mail for saying so. I feel like there's someone 251 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: out there. No, it's I mean figures hard. I could not. 252 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't hang. I tried it when I was little, 253 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: couldn't do it. I got really good at roller skating 254 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: as a kid, and not roller blades roller skates. Oh sorry, 255 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: yeah they're different. Sorry didn't but I never I never 256 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: ice skated until like a couple of years ago. Uh, 257 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: and some of the skills do transfer over. Because all 258 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: my friends were like falling because I've never like roller 259 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: skated or ice skated before. But I was like pretty 260 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: good beginner and they were like, Caitlin, how are you 261 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: so good at this? I'm like, bitch, I roller skated. 262 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: You're you have a lot of interesting hidden talent. You 263 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: really do. Thank you. Recap. Yeah, let's recap Tania. So 264 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: it's this cast of actors reenacting both interviews that are 265 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: like direct to camera and then also the story events 266 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: as they unfold. So every actor we see, we see 267 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: they're basically playing the same character over the course of 268 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: almost three decades. Like I think Margot Robbie plays Tanya 269 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: between ages fifteen and forty and then yeah, so you 270 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: see like older Tanya played by Margot Robbie in interview style, 271 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: same thing with what's his name, Stan Sebastian Stan Stan 272 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: hot hot Okay, I know he's so hot as young 273 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: Jeff Gluely, as older Jeff Gluey without weird goatee horrible. 274 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: The mustache is better. He's got somehow, he's got a 275 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: face that works for a real life Jeff Gluly did 276 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: look like straight up disgusting with the mustache. But I 277 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: mean this again, it's like movie hotness of just like 278 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: I guess you can just wear that and it's hot. 279 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: Well shit, Okay, my favorite performance in this movie. Margot 280 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: Robbie is awesome. Alison Jenny is awesome. My favorite performance 281 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: in this movie. I have to look at this guy's 282 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: name because he is like, I think this is his 283 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: big first like the guy who plays s Yeah, unbelieving 284 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: Paul Walter Houser. I hope he's in everything. He was 285 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: so good. This is a breakout role for him. I hope. So, dude, 286 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: he was so fucking funny. I know, and I wasn't. 287 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I've never done like a real 288 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: deep dive on Sean Ekart and I didn't realize how 289 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: fully delusional he was. And then when they do at 290 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: the end, they do like the side by side to 291 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: see how exactly they re enacted interviews. The Sean card 292 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: interviews are crazy. He's like, probably work in covert ops, 293 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: counter terrorism, like espionage, and you're like, what, They're like, Sean, 294 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: but you don't. He goes but he's like, but we 295 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: checked in, you don't. He's like, oh, but I do. 296 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: I do? And I He's so fucking funny, and like, 297 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: I just shout out to Paul walter Hauser wherever you are. 298 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're listening. I just thought he was like brilliant, 299 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: and I hope he's in everything now. Yeah, he was. 300 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: So he was so great. So I Tania the story. 301 00:18:44,760 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: We follow Iitania through her ice skating Iania harding, how 302 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: are we going to record another episode after this? It's 303 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: gonna be great. We followed Tania where I think she 304 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: is named through her finger skating career, which starts when 305 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: she's a soft four, which means three. So we meet 306 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: her mother, Lavanna, who is how to describe her, She's overbearing, 307 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: she is emotionally abusive, she's physically abusive. She is one 308 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: of those parents who look at all the sacrifices I've 309 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: made for you and you don't appreciate anything. And she's 310 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: a very bad parent. We'll hit on this in a 311 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: bunch of different places, but this movie. People have differing 312 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: opinions on how this movie does with the topic of class. 313 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: I think it does pretty well, especially based on the 314 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: fact that from what I get, and if you know differently, 315 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: please hit us up. But pretty much every event described 316 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: in this movie is based on anecdotal evidence and interviews. 317 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: So it's kind of tricky to make the argument of 318 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: like they're making these white trash people look like a joke, 319 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, they did confirm that this is 320 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: what they did down to like that guy Derek's like 321 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: running through a fucking pane of glass to get like 322 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: that really happened. There's footage of that happening. Yeah, Like 323 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: all the stuff in the movie basically is stuff that 324 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: real life idiots. Did Wait, did it happen where he 325 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: bash just head through it? Because he had the baton, 326 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: he could have broken the glass with I guess that's possible. 327 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't know anyways, the way this movie deals with class, 328 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: because it does make a commentary without changing the story. 329 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, I was fortunate to 330 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: have parents that were not abusive and are great. They're 331 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: my problematic faiths, But I do think it was like 332 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: interesting setting up this dynamic and showing this dynamic that 333 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: I saw in a lot of my friends growing up, 334 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: of like parents in poor communities being too hard on 335 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: their kids, with the implied logic being like I needed 336 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: toffen you up for the world, or you're going to 337 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: end up just like me, which is kind of the 338 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: message that's kind of Tanya's fear throughout the movie is 339 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: that she's going to be exactly like her mom and 340 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: be a waitress, which she is for a while, and 341 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: it seems like and it's never explicitly stated, but my 342 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 1: takeaway was that like Levana was basically like, I'm going 343 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: to be really, really really hard on you to the 344 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: point where it is illegal abusive. I'm gonna throw a 345 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: knife at you, but the overarching thing to be like, 346 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: I have to toughen you up because you're being set 347 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 1: up to fail by the world, and that is like 348 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: a parent child dynamic I've seen before, and I feel 349 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: like I haven't seen a ton on screen, so I 350 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: thought it was I mean, it was like scary, but like, 351 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: I don't know it worked for me or if you 352 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: do see it on screen, it's I feel like it's 353 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: often not the main character. It will be like the 354 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: main character's friend who who needs rescuing. Yeah. An example 355 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: that comes to mind as the craft where sure right right, 356 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: And I'm if I thought about it, I'm sure I 357 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: could come up with others, but yeah, I don't know. Like, 358 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: so there were certain moments with her. I was like, oh, 359 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: that seems like my aunt or like my friend's mom 360 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: of like some lines I wrote down where like you 361 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: were soft nice makes you ship like basically these repeated 362 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: enforcements like you have to be really tough on yourself 363 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: and on everyone in your life or you're not going 364 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: to survive um, which is you know, I see where 365 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: she's coming from. I don't hard disagree with our approach 366 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: to literally everything, but but I think the more common 367 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: depiction in media over arch, Like there's so many FU 368 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: movies about like rich children and their distant parents, not 369 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: poor children, and they're overbearing to the point of abusive parents. 370 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: But I think in the real world those are just 371 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: as common. I mean, so there's I think it'll take 372 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: me the whole episode to get through the recap, but 373 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: essentially it just it follows Tanya and her figure skating career, 374 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: starting from a very early age. She's a standout. She's 375 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: very good, even if like she's a she's a stand 376 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: up comic Harshly Season three, Tiny Harding story, the marvelous 377 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: Mrs Harden. So she is great, she trains a ton, 378 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: her mom does pay for all of her lessons, and 379 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: is supportive in her pursuit of becoming a figure skater. 380 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: But again, that's like kind of like another class commentary thing, 381 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: where like I think we're like children of poor families 382 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: often feel like they are an investment if they're doing 383 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: anything extra, where like kids who are from wealthier backgrounds 384 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: are able to try more extracurriculars and and there's less 385 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: of like a pressure to be like, well, you better 386 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: have fucking fun. Supportive in the sense that she was 387 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: paying for it, that she was there, but also inflicting 388 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot of psychological warfare on Tanya. It was 389 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: like it was basically a contract for abuse of Like, 390 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: in order for you to do the thing that makes 391 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: you happy, I have to be able to fucking be 392 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: all out abusive to you at all times. And that's 393 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: the only way she could keep doing it. Right. So 394 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: we see Tanya's progress as a figure skater into her 395 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: teens in early twenties, and this is also around the 396 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: time that she meets Jeff Galuley. I don't know how 397 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: old he is when they meet, but she's only fifteen 398 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: and he's probably I think he's I think he's supposed 399 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: to be nineteen or twenty. Well, that's upsetting. So they 400 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: start dating and then he starts becoming abusive toward her 401 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: as well, both physically and emotionally. Her career starts to 402 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: take off. She starts winning a lot of competitions. She 403 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: moves out of Lavana's home because she's had it up 404 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: to here with her, so she moves out with Jeff. 405 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: The abuse continues with him. Like she's winning national competitions 406 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: and the Olympics are on the horizon and then she 407 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: gets a death threat called on her, and so this 408 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: is there was like a weird and this is all historical. 409 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: It's not weird because it you know, happened, but like 410 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: there's like, she goes to the Olympics and two she 411 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: does not deliver. It's implied it's because she's like maybe 412 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: like drinking too much and like got out of shape, 413 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: which you know, is a little shamy, but also seemed 414 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: like there was some truth in that and that was 415 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: like had to do with why she which ties into 416 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: her abusive relationship with Jeff. But she was in an 417 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: abusive relationship and was not medicating exactly, like she didn't 418 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: she didn't deliver at the first Olympics, which would normally 419 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: be a death sentence because by the time the next 420 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: one Olympics come around four years later, she would be, 421 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: in theory too old, which is crazy. She would have 422 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: been twenty five, but I guess an ice skater years 423 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: too old. But then there's this thing that really happened 424 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: where they're like, actually, I don't know what the rationalists, 425 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: but they're like, we're going to have the Winter Olympics 426 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: again in two years, which would be like perfect timing, 427 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: and so there's kind of this there's a bunch of 428 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: great montages in this movie again, just like a series 429 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: of really stellar training montages that I really loved to 430 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: having handed music. It was great. So she trains, she 431 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: starts training again, and she's kind of like she got 432 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: it back. She dumped Jeff. She's like on a tear. 433 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: She's doing great, and then she takes Jeff back and 434 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: then okay, right exactly, So she takes Jeff back because 435 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: she's doing competitions and the judges are like, you're just 436 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: not the image we want to project. We want a 437 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: wholesome American family, and she's like, I don't have that. 438 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: So she gets back with Jeff to basically placate the 439 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: judges and be like, look look at this family I 440 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: have because they get married at one point earlier in 441 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's like to basically, 442 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: yea project the image that they're going for. And then 443 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: there's like this big competition and that if you place, 444 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: I forget exactly what it's called. It's like, if you 445 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: place in this competition, you are considered for the Olympic team. 446 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: But if you don't place in the competition, you can't 447 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: be considered for the Olympic team, so high stake ship. 448 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: And prior to this, a death threat is called on 449 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: Tanya and it freaks her out and they're like, oh crap, 450 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: like this is going to ruin my chances. And then 451 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: this is where you know the stories where Paul walter 452 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: Hauser really starts to fucking shine. But he has this 453 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: idea where basically Jeff wants to impress Tanya or somehow, 454 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: like I think, honestly, like get her to be indebted 455 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: to him a little more so she won't leave him, 456 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: because that's how he thinks, because he's a manipulates, a manipulator, 457 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: but he's so stupid that he's not even good at it. 458 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: But so he's saying like, oh, it'll approve Chania chances 459 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: if we call it a death threat on Nancy. And 460 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: then Sean, who also called in the death threat Antania, 461 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: we learned later and that's true. Sean has literally he's 462 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: just so fucking like he was just smart enough to 463 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: be extremely infuriating because he's like just smart enough to 464 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: be like you should have known better. But whatever he's smarted, 465 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: I don't like, is he Sean smarter than Jeff, but 466 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: that's saying nothing. Jeff's literally dumb as a rock. So 467 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: Sean's like, because I think that the movie goes way 468 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: out of its way to be like toxic, toxic, toxic. 469 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: This character, Sean, especially his toxic masculinity, is kind of 470 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: uses a punch line over and over in this movie, 471 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: which I hadn't seen it portrayed in other places. But 472 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought it was funny, and I 473 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: thought it's good to make toxic masculinity, you know, projected. 474 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: It's like, you look like a fucking idiot. But so 475 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, we need to do something to Nancy, 476 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: and Jeff said, okay, let's mail in letters snail, which 477 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: is like, you're a snail mail a death threat. Incredible idea. Anyways, 478 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: Sean takes matters into his own hands and plans the 479 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: fucking whack that the whack hurt around the world, right, 480 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: which is carried out by people who are somehow even stupider. 481 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: It's just a well of stupidity that just a gaping 482 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: mom of idiots, and how involved Tanny was in the 483 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: planning and execution of these letter death threats. Question, you know, 484 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: and I'm not even going to bother positing my own theories. 485 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: We'll never know. We can hit on this later too, 486 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: But like, I don't think Tanya Harding is like a 487 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: good or nice person, and I don't think that she's 488 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: like completely telling the truth. But I don't think that 489 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: that makes her story any less valid or interesting or 490 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: worth telling. But it's like I don't know, I mean, 491 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: she it's it's clear that she knew about some portion 492 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: of it. I think this movie plays it down press 493 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: a little too much, but like we'll never know. Sure, 494 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: So the attack on Nancy Kerrigan's knee happens, and then 495 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: I think that the sequence of events is that Nancy 496 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: obviously can't compete after she's whacked. At these trials. Tanya 497 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: does really well at the trials places it looks like 498 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: she's going to be on the Olympic team. The question 499 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: is will Nancy be allowed to be on the Olympic 500 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: team since she couldn't compete in the pre limbs And 501 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: that part is like it makes sense that it's left 502 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: out of this movie, but it is pretty like incredible 503 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: how she completely I'm like crying, she like she like 504 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: totally buckled down, did not pay attention to any of 505 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: the media coming out and just like had her her 506 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: like family and support system totally blackballed everyone who was like, 507 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: she's training, she's getting better, and in six weeks went 508 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: from like whacked me to like that recovery time was insane. 509 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: It shouldn't have been like it is. Pretty I just 510 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: don't think Nancy gets enough credit. I think she's also 511 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: she's not as interesting historical figure as Tanya Harding, but 512 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: she was pretty fucking cool. So because Nancy is able 513 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: to do this amazing turnaround, she's allowed on the Olympic team. 514 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: And also because and then I think that this is 515 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: explicitly stated in the movie too, and has been said 516 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: by Tanya Harding and interviews. It's like the media who's 517 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: been like investing all this time and energy into this story, 518 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: is not just going to be like, we're not gonna 519 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: let Nancy compete like people wanted a huge event. Yeah yeah. 520 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: And then the movie ends with they both compete in 521 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: the Olympics, both Tanya Tanya and Nancy. Tanya does not place. 522 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: Nancy Kerrigan gets the silver medal. Tanya's skating career is 523 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: over also because she goes to court and the judge 524 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: is like, you're never allowed to skate in any sort 525 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: of competitions ever. Again, She's like pleading with the judge, 526 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: please you have like, this is my whole life. This 527 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: is the only thing I know want to do. I 528 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: don't have an education. That was like the most impactful 529 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: part of the entire movie for I did not see that. 530 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: That was like I felt like one of the big 531 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: successes of them because I knew that that was how 532 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: the story ended, but it never really occurred to me 533 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: exactly how devastating that was for her. Where that was 534 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: like truly all she had. So if her involvement was 535 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: as low as the movie would have you believe, that's 536 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: horrible and it's like it does show how women are punished. Yeah, 537 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: that was That was such a gut wrenching moment to 538 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: watch of like that would be I was thinking, I 539 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: was like, that would be like if someone told me 540 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: that could never do stand up again. But then I 541 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's like would be the worst day. 542 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: I would be like, you know what, I wouldn't cry. 543 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't cry and offered to do jail time instead 544 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: when the people are that's so fun. It was like 545 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: I'd rather go to jail than not be able to 546 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: go to an open like ever again open jail. So 547 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't. So then she becomes we see her like 548 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: stint as a lady boxer. I have an autographed picture 549 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: or of Tanya Harding during her boxing days. Yeah, I really, 550 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: I'm deep into it. And I only say lady boxer 551 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: because that's what she calls herself. She's just a boxer, 552 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: ay for her. Yes, So that's the story. Let's take 553 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: a quick break and then we'll come right back. There's 554 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: a lot to digest here. There's a lot to discuss. 555 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: One of the main points I wanted to bring up 556 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: was the kind of ongoing theme she's talking about, how 557 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: figure skating is this sport where like the judges want 558 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: you to be this old timey version of what a 559 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: woman is supposed to be, and her sort of recognition 560 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: of how she was never going to be that because 561 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: she didn't have the money to afford all the pretty 562 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: costumes and she chopped wood every morning, so like she 563 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: didn't have just sort of like a little delicate frame 564 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: and everything like that. That was one thing that I 565 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: thought could have been touched on a little more. I 566 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: aggree with me that I was surprised it didn't because 567 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: that is such a big that informed the direction of 568 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: her career. So Mutch and I think that that was 569 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: like why the people who liked Tiny Harding really liked her, 570 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: because she, like, she was so athletically good that there 571 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: was no you know, like even though she was not 572 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: traditionally feminine and like had an athletic build, which makes 573 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: fucking sense for an athlete, but you weren't supposed to uh, 574 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: and didn't have a ton of money, but she was 575 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: so good that people like could not deny her, you know, 576 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: like that was cool, but it's we see we see 577 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: it a few times. She gets into an argument with 578 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: judges and says, I'm making my costumes, which is true, 579 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: she was making. She had so many disadvantages, but they're 580 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, we're not really well we're looking for 581 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: but you're so good that we can't tell you to 582 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: go funk yourself until they found the first excuse to 583 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: tell her to go funcker. And I think that that 584 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: also directly ties into how she's treated. You know, she 585 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: was characterized right away. It's like white trash who they 586 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: were looking for an excuse to get rid of her, 587 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: and the second they found one, they got rid of 588 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: her forever. And not only her sort of like appearance 589 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: and the way she presented herself physically. It was also 590 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: like from what I gathered, like her music choices, you know, 591 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: she did a lot of like hard rock and metal. 592 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: She like wore the blue nail polish that her coach 593 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: was like, no more of that. Like DAR say, she 594 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: was a product of her fucking environment, you know, but 595 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: that's not an environment that that sport respects, right exactly. 596 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: So watching this, I mean I related to her because 597 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: there's a part where she's talking about how she operates 598 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: a forklift, chops wood and works at a hardware store 599 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: and some like that, And I didn't read that exact 600 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: same experience. But I grew up in a blue collar family, 601 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, working class. My dad had a forklift and 602 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: a bacco. Part of my chores were to go into 603 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,959 Speaker 1: the woods and Sylvan because we lived in the middle 604 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: of the woods. We would gone in the woods, we 605 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: would gather firewood. I'd have to like load it onto 606 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: this like wagon that was hooked up to the tractor. 607 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: I had to drive the tractor like a farm girl. 608 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: I'm not a well, I'm a wood's girl. We didn't 609 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: have a far that we had a wood wood There's 610 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: there's one. I had to fucking break leaves all the time. 611 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: I had to mow grass all the time. I had 612 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: to plow our driveway with a We had a pickup 613 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: truck that my dad attached to snowplow too, So I 614 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: had so many physical chores that I had to do 615 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: all the time growing up, and I resented the hell 616 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: out of it. Was like at school, I was like 617 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: trying to be friends with like the popular kids whose 618 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: parents were doctors and who didn't have to do like 619 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,959 Speaker 1: shovel dirt all the time. I was just like, please, 620 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: no one find out about my home life. You know. 621 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: I was kind of I was trying to fit in 622 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: with like the quote unquote like what women are supposed 623 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: to be and what you know, teen girls are supposed 624 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: to be interested in and all that stuff. And I 625 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: was just like like there was just like this whole 626 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: internal struggle that I was like going through. But I 627 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: also was like it's cool that I can like do 628 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: all this stuff and like, but but that's not the 629 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 1: message the world was sending you. No, no, no, no. 630 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: At that time. I was city poor person, so we 631 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: didn't do a ton of outside things. But like like 632 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: a city mouse in a country mouse, we really are 633 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: I forget what a country mouse to were, Like, I 634 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: have no outdoor skills. But my first like full understanding 635 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 1: of class in a meaningful way, it was. It was weird. 636 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't that aware of it growing up because everyone 637 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: was poor and I'm kind of grateful for that, where 638 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: there really wasn't. There was a class divide that I 639 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: thought about a lot when I was watching Lady Bird 640 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: of like there are people who had like more money 641 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: than us that my parents would be like, Oh, just 642 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: don't act like a fucking idiot around that. You know. 643 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: There's little stuff like that. But I largely didn't become 644 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: aware of my upbringing being poor until I was in 645 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: college with a ton of rich Camerson richies. Yeah, and 646 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,919 Speaker 1: that was like that was like an upsetting experience where 647 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: for my entire college experience I started out by like 648 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: I had to work full time through college or I 649 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: would have had to drop out. And for the first 650 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: half I would not tell anybody, and I was like 651 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: very embarrassed about it, you know, I would just be 652 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: like I'm busy. I can't like go to whatever. But 653 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: it's because I was working till three am at the 654 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,959 Speaker 1: scary pizza place run by a sexual predator. I called 655 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: the police on but like but and then in the 656 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: second half of college, I I'm really glad that I did. 657 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: But it's like I just was like, you know what, 658 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: rich people are actually trash and I'm working really hard 659 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: and I don't want to be like it sucks enough 660 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: having to work these awful jobs, so I'm not like 661 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: hide the fact that I'm doing it on like whatever, 662 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm working harder than you. Fuck you. All I had 663 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: to say is like she had so much exs stuff 664 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: to have to do and she was still one of 665 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: the best, that's so the best, and they still didn't 666 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: want to give it to her and I and I 667 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: totally get that. That is like, a that's fucking frustrating 668 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: to be like, I am working against so much more 669 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: than the average person and you're still not you still 670 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: won't give it to me, which is a thing that 671 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: I mean, this is Poised is more of a class 672 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 1: struggle than a gender one in this movie, at least 673 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,439 Speaker 1: because we were only seeing women figure skaters in this movie. 674 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: There are certainly gender specific things to talk about in 675 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: this movie, but for her it was more of a 676 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: class struggle thing. But I think it is still very 677 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: much like a parallel situation where women have to work 678 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: a lot harder to get recognition, to be taken seriously 679 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: than their male counterparts a lot of the time. Right, 680 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: and then just like every time you're in a marginalized group, 681 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: and then you add another marginalization on top of that, right, 682 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: it gets infinitely we call that intersection, yes, Queen. So 683 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: I enjoyed that this movie at least posed this theme 684 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: of like a woman, her background, her appearance, the way 685 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: she presents herself, the way she talks, her tastes and 686 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: things doesn't align with the quote unquote old timey version 687 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: of what a woman is supposed to be. As for 688 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: the judges of this sport, and how that was a 689 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: struggle for her, and how she sort of had to 690 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: like suppress who she was to be able to fit in, 691 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: but also how she was kind of like unapologetically being 692 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: like fuck, there's that scene where that's the best she 693 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: tells the judges, like how am I going to get 694 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: to her a chance? Like why do you hate me? 695 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: So much, and they keep saying like we also judge 696 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: on presentation, and then she says like suck my dick, 697 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: and it's like like you're like, oh no, but you're 698 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: also like that so cool, like and she really did 699 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: that do just like so cool. I mean, yeah, I 700 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: wish that that was dug into a little bit more, 701 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: but I do love that she I mean, she had 702 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: and it comes up a million times. The triple axel 703 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: is like her secret weapon to be able to stay 704 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: in skating because she was the only one that could 705 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, the movie makes a point several times 706 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: to say that she was the first woman to attempt 707 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: and complete it and be really good at it, Like 708 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: ever right, her secret weapons weapon. Um, Okay, we would 709 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: be remiss to not talk about the two central abusive 710 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: relationships in this movie, one between Tanya and her mother, 711 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: the other between Tanya and Jeff. We touched on her 712 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: mother already, but I did think it was like kind 713 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: of a different, unusual And again, it's a biopics, so 714 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: they are just sort of displaying real alleged events and 715 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: interactions with them. But it was interesting seeing a relationship 716 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: between two women where I think that like it's a 717 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: trope basically where it's like the older character is going 718 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 1: to bully their student, as it were, into greatness. Whiplash 719 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,760 Speaker 1: is that exact thing. There's a I mean that there's 720 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: other I had some written down, but I feel like 721 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: it's usually it's either between like a male coach and 722 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: a male student, or it's between like a male coach 723 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: and a female student, and it's a sexualized relationship, which 724 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 1: we see in Black Swan. Another example of a male 725 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,240 Speaker 1: coach and a female student is A Million Dollar Baby. 726 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't remember that movie super well. 727 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any sexual component of their relationship. 728 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: But at first he's like, I don't trying girls, and 729 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,399 Speaker 1: she's like, I'm the best though, I'm really good. He's like, okay, fine, 730 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: I'm Clanniswood and or whatever, boring Clanniswood, fun clanny, but 731 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: like yeah, but he like kind of you know, they 732 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: develop a friendship, but it's like he a lot of 733 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: that movie is him bullying her into getting really good. 734 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: It's a dynamic we've seen a lot, I just we 735 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: rarely see it between two men. And that is a 736 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: component of Tanya and her mom's relationship, and it's abusive. 737 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: I think it's like more of you see a more 738 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: whiplet she kind of relationship. That was the closest parallel 739 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: I could think of. There's a couple of different scenes 740 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,879 Speaker 1: where Levana just as like Tanya did her best when 741 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,280 Speaker 1: she was angry, and so we see Lavanna paying people 742 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 1: to tell Tanya she sucks before she gets on the ice, 743 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: like all this fucking sadistic, manipulative ship with the goal 744 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: being in that way she'll do really good. And the 745 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: other way that she would do that is by withholding 746 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: praise at any cost. Where even when you know Tanya's 747 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: landing triple actuals, doing stuff no one else can do, 748 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: it's always well, this is what you did wrong. And 749 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: Levana is abusive on so many different levels. It's just like, well, 750 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: which do we pick. She is abusive on like a 751 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: coachy kind of level, which is crazy because she can't 752 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: fucking skate. But I think even more so than Tanya's 753 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,320 Speaker 1: actual coach Diane, who is not great and is very 754 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: I think that she falls more in the bucket of 755 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: like Tanya, you're not feminine enough, right, That's sort of 756 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: the space she occupies. But Levana is like, you suck 757 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: you're bad, and I'm going to tell you you're bad 758 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: because that will make it good. And she gets enough 759 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: results by doing that that she continues to do it 760 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: and and it's bad. We sort of already touched on 761 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: the class component of her abuse of like making it 762 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: feel like Tanya owed her something, which is I think 763 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 1: it's very common with kids in parents. Yeah, just like 764 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: a kid feeling like an investment and like they have 765 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: to do well because their parents are struggling in order 766 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: for them to be able to do anything, which is 767 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 1: an unfair pressure to put on a kid. I don't know. 768 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it is so complicated, the issue of class 769 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: in America. If you can believe no one, that's a 770 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: complicated thing. But they're is that element, there's also just 771 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: the element of like Levana is a fucking bad person 772 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: who wants everyone around her to suffer and and I'd 773 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,720 Speaker 1: be curious. I mean, we see very little of Tanya's 774 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 1: dad in this movie. It seems like they had a 775 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: good relationship and that he was kind of the beta 776 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: to Levana's alpha, to the way where twenty says later 777 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: in the movie, well you hit dad, was like, Oh 778 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: she hit dad? Okay, that's you know, an unusual abuse dynamic, 779 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 1: but it's it seemed Levana is framed in the movie 780 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: as a character who, for a number of reasons that 781 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: are explained, wants everyone around her to suffer. And Tanya 782 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: certainly suffered, and and also Levana is completely aware that 783 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 1: Jeff is abusive towards Tanya and does basically nothing to 784 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: stop it. And and it really just makes that one 785 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: comment in that scene they have together where she says, like, 786 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: what I forget The exact wording is like, um, you're 787 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,879 Speaker 1: done piece of ship who thinks she'd deserves to get hit? 788 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: Right where you know, we can get the subtypes of 789 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: what she's saying, which is that you don't deserve to 790 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 1: get hit, but she's leading with you're a dumb piece 791 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: of ship, but also she's hitting Tanya exactly and then 792 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: and then Tanya responds by being like, well, where did 793 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: I get that idea? The implications of that are obviously like, oh, 794 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: I think I deserve to get hit because you hit 795 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: me my entire life. There's yeah, and there's no subtlety 796 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: in the way that issues presented. Yeah, but that's like good. 797 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that there should be like shades of 798 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: gray presented like should this be? But it is interesting 799 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: to me And Jeff is the less fleshed out character 800 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: of the two between him and LaVona, but it is 801 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: interesting to see, I think as of right now, I 802 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: feel like, ultimately it is an interesting and I think 803 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: kind of impactful choice to characterize an abuser a little bit. 804 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: And you know, Alice and Jenny, there is a part 805 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: in the movie where she says, like, my mom was 806 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: nice and nothing happened, you know, and like, and that's why, 807 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: that's why I amounted to nothing. I think was the 808 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: implication of like, nice parents in poor communities raise unremarkable 809 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: children seems to be her belief and that is a 810 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: moment that reveals so much about that character and who 811 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: she is. And it's like, do we want to see 812 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,280 Speaker 1: a three dimensional depiction of an abuser? In some ways, 813 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: it's like you don't really want to introduce so like 814 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to be able to empathize with this person. 815 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: But real life abusers have motivations and have elements and 816 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: probably you know, not every single thing they have done 817 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: in their entire life is the worst thing ever. And 818 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: that is something that you struggle with, and that's part 819 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: of the reason why abusive relationships are so hard to 820 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 1: get out of because people are in them and people, right, 821 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: I think it's dangerous to depict an abuser in a 822 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: way that we might be empathetic or sympathetic. It's hard 823 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: to them. I think it is though important to present 824 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: them as kind of like three dimensional people, because then 825 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: we can kind of start to learn, Okay, why are 826 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,839 Speaker 1: you this way? Is there anything about you that can 827 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 1: be helped and made to not be that way? Like? 828 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: Because oftentimes, yeah, and abuser depicted in media is just 829 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: like very one dimensional. They just are sort of like 830 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: pure evil kind of thing, and we don't understand why 831 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: they're that way, or if we do, it's, you know, 832 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: be an interesting villain character, but it doesn't if the 833 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: objective is to get people to recognize people like this 834 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 1: who may exist in their own life, that is not 835 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: the way to go, right, Yeah, So I think it's 836 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: it was actually like pretty responsible in the movie's part 837 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: to depict Levana the way that she was, because she 838 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: is a fleshed out character, But the movie also doesn't 839 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,919 Speaker 1: absolve her of anything, which is important and I thought 840 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: was also effectively do I think there was one moment 841 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: where I was like, giving this abusive women laugh lines, 842 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: oh right, especially that part where she it's like whenever 843 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: Tanya and Jeff's relationship has kind of like taken off 844 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: and we don't see a while, and she's like, my 845 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: fucking storylines disappearing right about now, and we're all like 846 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,399 Speaker 1: big laugh line. It's like, I don't know, there's some 847 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: shades of gray there that I'm not totally comfortable with. 848 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,359 Speaker 1: But by and large, how she's treated in the in 849 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: the movie narrative wise, I thought was interesting. And if 850 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: that's the choice they're making to have a three dimensional abuser, 851 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 1: the movie doesn't absolve her. It's clear that what she's 852 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,320 Speaker 1: doing isn't the wrong, but it offers some insight into 853 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: why that maybe, and I thought that was an interesting choice. 854 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: We don't get that as much with Jeff. I don't 855 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: particularly care. Another element of the abusive relationship that I 856 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: thought was very interesting and ultimately pretty effective was Tanya 857 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: is the abused in both of these relationships. She's on 858 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: the receiving end with her mother from the second she 859 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: emerges from the womb, and then you know, shortly after 860 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: it seems like she and Jeff had like three weeks 861 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,959 Speaker 1: that were really pleasant and then seven or eight years 862 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: that we're fucking nightmare. But I think that and I 863 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,719 Speaker 1: need to do more thinking on this, and I want 864 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: to bring more effective examples to the table in the future. 865 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,000 Speaker 1: But I feel like in general, there is this media 866 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 1: trend of when women are portrayed as being an abusive 867 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,720 Speaker 1: relationships on screen. And I think actually a recent example 868 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,879 Speaker 1: with be Nicole Kidman's character in Big Little Lies. She's 869 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: abused by her husband pretty brutally in that show, but 870 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,360 Speaker 1: her character is presented as kind of a perfect character 871 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: of like, here's this woman who works really hard, does 872 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,880 Speaker 1: all of her domestic chores, is basically bringing her husband 873 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,399 Speaker 1: his meal and he wax it out of her hand 874 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,239 Speaker 1: and hits her. That sort of thing where we are 875 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: seeing a depiction of abuse that is like hard. I mean, 876 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,440 Speaker 1: it's very hard to watch, and and it is I'm 877 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: sure realistic to some people's experience, But these flawless women 878 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,720 Speaker 1: in abusive relationships, I think it's kind of a media 879 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,360 Speaker 1: trend where it's like, and she never did a whole 880 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 1: thing wrong in her entire life, how could this person 881 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 1: abuse her? Whereas in Tanya's abusive relationships. Tanya is a 882 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: very flawed character. She focks up a lot, and and 883 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 1: there are examples of times where she focks up in 884 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,719 Speaker 1: ways that have nothing to do with Jeff, for her mother. 885 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,319 Speaker 1: She fox up independently like a person would. So again, 886 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,800 Speaker 1: it's just like showing real people in abusive relationships. There's 887 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: examples of Yeah, like Tanya fox up a lot in 888 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: this movie and in her life, and like, it couldn't 889 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,120 Speaker 1: be more clear that just because you don't even have 890 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: to like her to recognize that she doesn't deserve this abuse. 891 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: And I just thought that that was something that I 892 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 1: really haven't seen that much of, Like especially a woman 893 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,399 Speaker 1: in an abusive relationship where she can be a funk 894 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,040 Speaker 1: up and she is doing stuff. She's not a perfect 895 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,719 Speaker 1: person and she's receiving abuse and she doesn't deserve that. 896 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,480 Speaker 1: Where Yeah, seeing a seeing a character like that just 897 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,840 Speaker 1: sort of drew my attention to how rare it is 898 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 1: to see a flawed character receive abuse in a way 899 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 1: that it's still very clear that it's like, Yeah, that 900 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,799 Speaker 1: was something I thought about a lot. You know, that's 901 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: really interesting. I think that's a symptom of so many 902 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,800 Speaker 1: movies that do depict an abusive relationship. It's caricatures almost. 903 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 1: It's a lot of like archetypes. It's you know, not 904 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: real people who are the characters of the story. So 905 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: they don't seem as fleshed out or they it's you know, 906 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: you see the writer being well, I want to make 907 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 1: my character this way and and to me in some 908 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: crazy way that justifies or doesn't the abuse they receive 909 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 1: sort of things. So they're just like these not real 910 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,560 Speaker 1: people who the storyteller designs in the way that they 911 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: think is going to serve their story bests. And oftentimes, 912 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: like you said, it is like the what's the show called, 913 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:10,840 Speaker 1: pretty Little Little, Pretty pretty much? Yeah, I like to 914 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,799 Speaker 1: call it the Laura Dernan and I patch our. I'm 915 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,280 Speaker 1: never going to know the difference between Pretty Little Liars 916 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,520 Speaker 1: and Big Little Lies, two amazing shows. It's all you 917 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,920 Speaker 1: need to know. So it often we do see you know, 918 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,840 Speaker 1: a very kind of like perfect, prim proper woman who 919 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,400 Speaker 1: doesn't really have any flaws is the victim of abuse. 920 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: I think that that's almost like another way to justify 921 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,719 Speaker 1: writing a female character that's unrealistically passive. Yeah, yeah, where 922 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,240 Speaker 1: like the female character receiving abuse is not doing anything 923 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 1: wrong in any area of her life and she's punished. 924 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 1: But and I think the writers of stories like that 925 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 1: are like, look how tragic this is. They're like, look 926 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,000 Speaker 1: how much she doesn't deserve this, Whereas I think like 927 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,080 Speaker 1: those same people would be like, oh, but if the 928 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,160 Speaker 1: character's flawed, it makes her somehow deserve it a little 929 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,480 Speaker 1: bit more. And that's obviously not the message that anyone 930 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,040 Speaker 1: should be sending. So yeah, I think it is really 931 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 1: interesting that Tanya is depicted as a flawed character and 932 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,440 Speaker 1: that does not make her deserve abuse. Just that was 933 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: like something that really struck me with this movie. Or 934 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: it's like that is so cool that And also I 935 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: think that, like I'm saying, it's trumpe writing, like the 936 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 1: perfect woman who is abused is also just like lazy writing. Yeah, 937 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,759 Speaker 1: it's easier to not write a character that behaves like 938 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,880 Speaker 1: a human, but but in this, in this movie, I 939 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,319 Speaker 1: just that was like one of my favorite elements of it. 940 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 1: That was cool. Not that I want to see abusive 941 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: relationships on screen every second of my life, but that 942 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,560 Speaker 1: was I thought, like really effectively done. Yeah, And and 943 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 1: they really they don't spare the audience in the way 944 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,720 Speaker 1: the abuse is depicted. I mean, it's it's it's hard 945 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,920 Speaker 1: to it's yeah, it's hard. Let's take another break and 946 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: then we'll come back for a more discussion. But speaking 947 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,320 Speaker 1: of real people, which is what this movie is about. 948 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: That brings me to something I wanted to talk about 949 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:24,520 Speaker 1: regarding biopics and how most biopics are about men. Some 950 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: of them are tortured geniuses. Other ones are about fucking 951 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:33,520 Speaker 1: mediocre as Helmet, including The Disaster Artist and Edward. Throw 952 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,319 Speaker 1: a fucking stick and you'll hit a man who has 953 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: somehow had a movie made about his unremarkable life. So 954 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,239 Speaker 1: few biopics are about women. I did some quick googling 955 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,279 Speaker 1: and found a list of about twenty or so that 956 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,680 Speaker 1: people have heard of. There's more of film history. Yeah. 957 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,160 Speaker 1: A few of the more notable ones include this one 958 00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,680 Speaker 1: Aitania FRIEDA hidden figure is Elizabeth the Iron Lady. A 959 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,320 Speaker 1: lot of these are kind of recent to Jackie, Lena, Queen, 960 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 1: Julie and Julianne. And there's also What's Love Got to 961 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 1: Do with It? Selena Gia, Aaron Brockovich, Monster Monster, Anternet, 962 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 1: propoliss Love, Vien Rose, The Passion of Jona Ark, which 963 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: is a long time ago that was a coal miner's daughter. 964 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: So there's only there's a small handful of biopics about 965 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,360 Speaker 1: women and every other I mean, and the biopics is 966 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,359 Speaker 1: such a massive genre. There are so many. Oh, just 967 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,120 Speaker 1: any loser can have a movie made about their life 968 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,839 Speaker 1: and they're they're a man, and often in the case 969 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,239 Speaker 1: of Steve Jobs, which oh my god, if you have 970 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: not seen the Ashton Kutcher Jobs vehicle, I saw it 971 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,760 Speaker 1: on my twenty first birthday and it was it's truly 972 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,160 Speaker 1: so remarkably bad that you have to see it, you 973 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,839 Speaker 1: would be you're just if you don't watch Jobs and 974 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,520 Speaker 1: figure out what the rules to the drinking game is. 975 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 1: It just the movie basically gives it to you. Like, 976 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: but if Auschers in a field talking about computer, like, 977 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,080 Speaker 1: what is happening? There's a time where Acton Gutcher is 978 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,400 Speaker 1: having an argument through a beated curtain, You're just like, 979 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,920 Speaker 1: what is happening? Yes, you gotta watch it, but but 980 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,760 Speaker 1: if you if you look at the list of biopics 981 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,240 Speaker 1: about women, by and large, they're about white women by 982 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 1: and large. They're about straight women by and large. They're 983 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 1: about women who have had massive success that have led 984 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,040 Speaker 1: these amazing last from what I can pick out, you know, 985 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: like they're mostly triumph tales, with the exception of Titania 986 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: and Monster. Those are the two I can see on 987 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,640 Speaker 1: on this list that involves a woman failing. Right, pretty bleak, Yeah, 988 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,479 Speaker 1: pretty pretty weak. And one might argue that, oh, well, 989 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,120 Speaker 1: there aren't more biopics about women because there aren't more 990 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:05,560 Speaker 1: no figures in history, And well, I would argue, yeah, 991 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,200 Speaker 1: history is written by the victors, which are there men? Yeah, 992 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:20,880 Speaker 1: people named Victor, written by metal bitch named Victor, So 993 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,000 Speaker 1: there are plenty of And if it seems like there 994 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,040 Speaker 1: aren't more notable figures from history who are women, it's 995 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 1: because they don't get talked about, they don't get written about. 996 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:35,520 Speaker 1: I've been written. Or if there are actually fewer, it's 997 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 1: because women haven't been allowed to be fucking politicians until 998 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,760 Speaker 1: two seconds ago. It's because women weren't allowed to be 999 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,480 Speaker 1: any like so many things, leaders of any industry or 1000 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,800 Speaker 1: even allowed in the industry can't wait for I RBG. 1001 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 1: The RBG movie is gonna be fucking tight. Also, there 1002 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,000 Speaker 1: is sort of a weird trend in some of these 1003 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,360 Speaker 1: biopics where it's like, and this is I think this 1004 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,240 Speaker 1: is a biopic trend overall, but it is maybe because 1005 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,000 Speaker 1: there's so few about women. It's like, come on, there 1006 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,960 Speaker 1: is some that it's like and at the end she's murdered, 1007 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,800 Speaker 1: where that's that is several on this list of like 1008 00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,160 Speaker 1: what made her life so remarkable was that she died 1009 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,360 Speaker 1: in a gross sexy way, and you're just like, fuck, 1010 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,840 Speaker 1: we come on, we got watch James Franco saw his 1011 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,040 Speaker 1: leg off, and you can't have a movie about Ruth 1012 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:32,360 Speaker 1: Bader Ginsburg grow up. There's movies about sucking civil like 1013 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,120 Speaker 1: the Wrong Side of the Civil War, and there's biopics 1014 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 1: about Southern generals and the come on, what do you 1015 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,520 Speaker 1: how many times is Leonardo DiCaprio going to play someone 1016 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties Before I get my Ruth Bader 1017 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 1: Ginsberg movie, I'm now married to it. There there's not 1018 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,760 Speaker 1: to say that there's not good biopics about men. There are, 1019 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,680 Speaker 1: but the fact that there are so many male figures 1020 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,640 Speaker 1: that have more than one biopic about them that is 1021 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 1: not a problem that the female equivalent has. You're not 1022 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,360 Speaker 1: finding like God, which Steve John's biopics should I watch? 1023 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,919 Speaker 1: You could? Literally there's three of them. There's three of them. 1024 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Should I watch Lincoln or should I watch Young Mr Lincoln? 1025 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,760 Speaker 1: And all of them? And this doesn't even include all 1026 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,439 Speaker 1: the fucking stupid like History Channel documentaries blah blah blah, 1027 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,320 Speaker 1: what or whatever like And I mean, if we just 1028 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,240 Speaker 1: major release rainstream Hollywood biopics, if we go before n 1029 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a million male biopics about the random 1030 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,360 Speaker 1: ist men in existence, like a randomized video game character. 1031 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: They're like, we have to have a three hour epic 1032 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,160 Speaker 1: about this amazing man's journey. ACTO. Just take this opportunity 1033 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,480 Speaker 1: to say that Citizen Kane, which is loosely based on 1034 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,680 Speaker 1: such a drag William Randolph Hurst, Yes, it is the 1035 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 1: worst movie I've ever seen. I hate Citizen Kane. Funk 1036 01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:01,240 Speaker 1: that movie. It's so fucking bother your sucking sled, get 1037 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:07,920 Speaker 1: over it and suck off. I don't like Citizen King. 1038 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not that I don't think it's 1039 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: the worst babe of all time. I dated a guy 1040 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,200 Speaker 1: who's really into Citizen Kane for a while, to the 1041 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,960 Speaker 1: point where he tried to remake Citizens with with and 1042 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:22,200 Speaker 1: you're exactly we're talking about with prop comedy oh, and 1043 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 1: it was halfway shot before someone told him it was 1044 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,920 Speaker 1: a fucking terrible idea, which is like one of my 1045 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: favorite anecdotes of all time because I was I was 1046 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,200 Speaker 1: complicit and being like everyone thought it was a bad idea. 1047 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,640 Speaker 1: But people hate telling men that their idea is the 1048 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,720 Speaker 1: worst idea of all time. And that's why so much 1049 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,560 Speaker 1: mediocre mill art is out there because people love telling 1050 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,040 Speaker 1: women their ideas are bad, but men they're like, yeah, 1051 01:01:52,200 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: remixt fucking idiot. Oh well a few other things. Yeah, 1052 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention, we see what has become a 1053 01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,720 Speaker 1: trope of Oh I noticed the cal a woman being 1054 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,080 Speaker 1: good at fixing cars as a way to show her 1055 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,760 Speaker 1: is that I'm not like the other girls. But in 1056 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,160 Speaker 1: this movie, yes, and there are examples of this where 1057 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel tropy or it doesn't feel like it's 1058 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,880 Speaker 1: a weird tact on trait to make her feel I'm 1059 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,200 Speaker 1: not like one of the other girls. This is an 1060 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 1: example of a movie that does it well. But like 1061 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Tanya walks up to Jeff, he's like fiddling around with 1062 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,240 Speaker 1: his truck and she's like, oh, you gotta do this 1063 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 1: thing or blah blah blah, and she like reaches in 1064 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:38,400 Speaker 1: and she also has braces. It's so cute. He's like, okay, 1065 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,520 Speaker 1: um yeah, this scene and it's like, you don't know 1066 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,760 Speaker 1: what to do. She's just like he's the part where 1067 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,120 Speaker 1: and you and you know, like if you didn't know 1068 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,320 Speaker 1: he was about to become a historically notorious piece of ship. 1069 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,800 Speaker 1: That story beat when the very heavy handed Romeo and 1070 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,320 Speaker 1: Juliet begins to play, when he's like so pretty yeah, 1071 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,400 Speaker 1: and she's like no, I'm not, you're and you're just 1072 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: like kiss and then end of the movie and then 1073 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,960 Speaker 1: break up immediately. But that was a nice moment. But yeah, no, 1074 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,640 Speaker 1: I totally believe that she was good at fixing cars, 1075 01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,960 Speaker 1: just based on her background, but the fact that they 1076 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,360 Speaker 1: show it, yeah, yeah, because it happens again in a 1077 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,680 Speaker 1: in an episode that we've either just done or is 1078 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,320 Speaker 1: about to come out as Josie and the Pussycats, where 1079 01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,080 Speaker 1: it's like that one, Hey, that one doesn't make sense 1080 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,120 Speaker 1: in the context of the story. No, not at all, 1081 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,800 Speaker 1: Like why but Alan Cumming does give a break the 1082 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,360 Speaker 1: fourth wall glanced at the camera at one point in 1083 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,200 Speaker 1: the movie, and I can't a wait to record that episode. 1084 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna explad like and it's to a meat low song. 1085 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,120 Speaker 1: It's like that was designed with me in mind. I 1086 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:53,440 Speaker 1: can't even believe anyway, okay, I'm shifting like I'm getting okay, 1087 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,880 Speaker 1: But but that's going off of the fact that that trope. 1088 01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,920 Speaker 1: I would agree that trope is present because that was 1089 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,560 Speaker 1: intentionally shown. But a wait, this movie, it would have 1090 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,480 Speaker 1: been very easy. I wonder if the director of photography 1091 01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,000 Speaker 1: for this movie was a man or a woman. I 1092 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,600 Speaker 1: don't know. This movie is directed and written by a man, 1093 01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,920 Speaker 1: which I was surprised at two different Yeah, but this movie, 1094 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean a movie about figure skaters in general, it 1095 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,520 Speaker 1: would have been a very easy choice to sexualize the 1096 01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,080 Speaker 1: way the movie is shot, and it's not shot that 1097 01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,000 Speaker 1: way at all. And when you see figure skating scenes, 1098 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,760 Speaker 1: you're looking at either Tanya's face to communicate how she's 1099 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,920 Speaker 1: feeling about herself, or you're seeing the athletic focus you 1100 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,200 Speaker 1: see like the triple actual a million times. So I 1101 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,880 Speaker 1: thought that was really al wostly impressive because that's just 1102 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,080 Speaker 1: how it should be. But I agree, yeah, I mean, yeah, 1103 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 1: that's what it should default too. And yet so many 1104 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,720 Speaker 1: movies and it's shot in such a way where it's Hey, 1105 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,360 Speaker 1: we're shooting this with the male gaze cameras, which has 1106 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:52,440 Speaker 1: magnets that are just on the German right. And and 1107 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,520 Speaker 1: the and the way that I mean skaters were sexualized 1108 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,160 Speaker 1: in this time would have made it a very easy, 1109 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,000 Speaker 1: cheap choice. And they don't make that choice in a 1110 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:07,520 Speaker 1: cinematography by Nicholas know that last name, but I'm gonna 1111 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:19,400 Speaker 1: try Karro Kansas Arts US film Editing by Tatiana Tatiana Regal. Yeah, 1112 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:24,560 Speaker 1: she eded large and the real girl I just learned anyways, 1113 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,440 Speaker 1: I hope she I I genuinely just based on I 1114 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,240 Speaker 1: haven't seen all the Oscar front Runners, but this was 1115 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,120 Speaker 1: like the best editing I saw in any It was shot, 1116 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,120 Speaker 1: very well, edited, very Yes, it is a terrific movie. 1117 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,360 Speaker 1: It is so good. I mean, not as good as 1118 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Paddington too, but I mean I wanted to talk really 1119 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,280 Speaker 1: quickly about the role of toxic masculinity in this story 1120 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: as it pertains to Jeff. I think we've we've already 1121 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,480 Speaker 1: sort of covered that relationship a little bit. We don't 1122 01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,280 Speaker 1: get to know Jeff very well in this movie, and 1123 01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't bother me, but of the two abusers, we 1124 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,320 Speaker 1: know Jeff far less well, but what we know about 1125 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,880 Speaker 1: Jeff that when Tanya doesn't behave the way he wants, 1126 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,400 Speaker 1: he hits her and he you know, it's a pretty 1127 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,480 Speaker 1: cut and dry dynamic, and we see that over and 1128 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,120 Speaker 1: over and over. But the moment in the relationship where 1129 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,800 Speaker 1: and they both acknowledged this in interviews, and I thought 1130 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,760 Speaker 1: the way it was portrayed, like there's that moment where 1131 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:21,360 Speaker 1: they're like after the triple axle, everything changed where to me, 1132 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,600 Speaker 1: that indicated a shift in the power dynamic of like 1133 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:30,080 Speaker 1: when Tanya basically was just growing more confident in her 1134 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:35,560 Speaker 1: abilities and ability to succeed, their relationship worsens. And to me, 1135 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,840 Speaker 1: I felt like that was a response to a man 1136 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:42,000 Speaker 1: not feeling in control of the relationship any Yeah, feeling 1137 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,400 Speaker 1: inadequate or like, oh, this woman is more successful than me, 1138 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,480 Speaker 1: she's better than me. And because he doesn't really have 1139 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't have he's a job, but he doesn't have 1140 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,680 Speaker 1: special skills the way that Tanya do is right, And 1141 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,440 Speaker 1: so we see examples of like he's very on paper, 1142 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,120 Speaker 1: would appear to be supportive in that he is present, 1143 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,200 Speaker 1: he's there, but he you see him taking credit a 1144 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,880 Speaker 1: lot for stuff, and you see him repeatedly asking to 1145 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 1: be noticed and appreciated for you know, it's not wrong 1146 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,000 Speaker 1: to want to be appreciated, but it's absolutely wrong to 1147 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,520 Speaker 1: hit your wife. So, you know, I think I think 1148 01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,800 Speaker 1: that it's it wasn't a brand of toxic masculinity that 1149 01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,480 Speaker 1: we haven't seen displayed, but I thought it was whatever 1150 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,440 Speaker 1: effectively presented, especially for a character we don't know that 1151 01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,240 Speaker 1: much about in terms of his background. We know that 1152 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,360 Speaker 1: he's poor. He says a little bit about himself, but 1153 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,680 Speaker 1: that's basically you know, Sean. I think it's a more 1154 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,960 Speaker 1: interesting case study here, and I love I want to 1155 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,560 Speaker 1: be his best friend. Sean is a different kind. It 1156 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,200 Speaker 1: reminds me of that pop culture detective essay about like 1157 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:50,160 Speaker 1: the toxic masculinity of like nerdy guys of how sort 1158 01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,480 Speaker 1: of for years and movies like Weird Science, where it's 1159 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:57,400 Speaker 1: like the nerds will rise up and fuck every woman where. 1160 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,439 Speaker 1: You know, it's presented that narrative of like nerds don't 1161 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:06,120 Speaker 1: get to have sex with girls, and what a massive travesty, 1162 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,320 Speaker 1: and they should be allowed to enact. They should allowed 1163 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,360 Speaker 1: to be just a shitty women as popular guys. I 1164 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,760 Speaker 1: just watched sixteen Candles last night for the first time, 1165 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,960 Speaker 1: you won't get But my God, is not the worst 1166 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,720 Speaker 1: movie I've ever seen. I think we should do it. 1167 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:23,559 Speaker 1: We should done special because it's despicable. But presenting toxic 1168 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,080 Speaker 1: masculinity as a punch line was like another very deliberate 1169 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: choice this movie makes that I thought worked really well. 1170 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,799 Speaker 1: There were some moments where I was like, he's doing violent, 1171 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,400 Speaker 1: terrible stuff, but by and large, I think presenting that 1172 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,160 Speaker 1: character as a fucking joke. Who literally, I mean, he's 1173 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:48,200 Speaker 1: he's speaking in like pretty broad strokes of like I 1174 01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,840 Speaker 1: never do anything wrong, cut to like him doing something wrong. 1175 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,640 Speaker 1: That was another great follow that when he's in the 1176 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: back of the car, he's like, they'll never break me, 1177 01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,840 Speaker 1: cut to a montage of him just bragging about Nancy 1178 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,840 Speaker 1: care Think, yeah, that was me and my crew, and 1179 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,439 Speaker 1: it's like and also he lies like five dys like 1180 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,599 Speaker 1: I got page sixty dollars, Like did it were you 1181 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,719 Speaker 1: talking about? It? Was just like it was, Oh God. 1182 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,519 Speaker 1: I mean I think that that the way that character 1183 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,639 Speaker 1: is presented was really interesting choice that maybe won't work 1184 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,960 Speaker 1: for everyone, but I thought it was a way that 1185 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,559 Speaker 1: we don't see toxic masculinity displayed a lot that can 1186 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,680 Speaker 1: be effective. True, Yeah, I agree to. Another couple of 1187 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,960 Speaker 1: things I wanted to point out about her abusive relationship 1188 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,200 Speaker 1: with Jeff is that at one point, you know, she says, 1189 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was my fault that he 1190 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,439 Speaker 1: was hitting me. Then I just thought it was interesting 1191 01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,880 Speaker 1: just to have it be pointed out, because that's such 1192 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,400 Speaker 1: a common thing for abuse victims to feel, because their 1193 01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,080 Speaker 1: abuser is often also extremely manipulating and makes them feel 1194 01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,640 Speaker 1: as though it is their fault. And the fact that 1195 01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,880 Speaker 1: it even gets said I thought was important. Moments like that, 1196 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,240 Speaker 1: like this is weird to say about. I wish that 1197 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,280 Speaker 1: this movie had come out when I was a teenager 1198 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:09,280 Speaker 1: because there's so much presented here that is presented really 1199 01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,640 Speaker 1: explicitly and directly, even when they're like painful truths to 1200 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,800 Speaker 1: be very direct about. But I'm excited for like young 1201 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,519 Speaker 1: girls who are seeing in this movie and and can 1202 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,400 Speaker 1: hear these messages stated so clearly, like that's awesome. Another 1203 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,559 Speaker 1: good message that I think the movie sends is it 1204 01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,599 Speaker 1: starts with you see like a tiny, tiny scene of 1205 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,640 Speaker 1: her stepbrother, creepy Chris's this guy was living with me 1206 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,720 Speaker 1: at the time, and I remember my first date with 1207 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,439 Speaker 1: Jeff because I had my my creepy stepbrother arrested that 1208 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,559 Speaker 1: day because you see a scene where he comes up 1209 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,960 Speaker 1: and gropes her and like fondles her breast, and then 1210 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,559 Speaker 1: she blings him down and calls the cops on him 1211 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,040 Speaker 1: and like has him basically arrested and kicked out of 1212 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,760 Speaker 1: the house. And then there's a number of other times 1213 01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,080 Speaker 1: in the movie where she calls the cops on Jeff 1214 01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,280 Speaker 1: and nothing is and has restraining orders violent and against him. 1215 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,400 Speaker 1: He often violates them. They even get divorced because they 1216 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,000 Speaker 1: get married and then divorced, but she takes them back 1217 01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,200 Speaker 1: after that. When you shoots her, he shoots her co 1218 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,080 Speaker 1: a cop pulls them over, pretending to her bloody face. Yeah. 1219 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,360 Speaker 1: And then and then while he's kind of talking his 1220 01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,479 Speaker 1: way out of it in the background with a cop, 1221 01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,360 Speaker 1: you see another scene where Tany is directly addressing the 1222 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,719 Speaker 1: camera seeing like you can talk this way and anything. 1223 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:32,120 Speaker 1: The cop has left me there like it was I mean, yeah, 1224 01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,000 Speaker 1: how women are disserviced when you can't make the argument 1225 01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,000 Speaker 1: that she didn't try to get out. She did. She did, 1226 01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:43,160 Speaker 1: but you know the abuse cycle. It's Yeah, the last 1227 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,559 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to talk about was the media aspect 1228 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:52,120 Speaker 1: of it, which feels especially relevant right now. Of a 1229 01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,240 Speaker 1: lot of the reason this story unfolded the way it 1230 01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:01,080 Speaker 1: was was four ratings and four you know, there is 1231 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,000 Speaker 1: that side of it, But ultimately it was that people 1232 01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,599 Speaker 1: just didn't believe Dan yet, Like they did not believe 1233 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,720 Speaker 1: what she was saying. I think this movie makes a 1234 01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,760 Speaker 1: really great point of like her whole life, no one 1235 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,040 Speaker 1: believed her, even when she was saying over and over 1236 01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,519 Speaker 1: like this is the abusive relationship I'm in. This is 1237 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,160 Speaker 1: how my class is getting in the way of me 1238 01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,560 Speaker 1: achieving my goals. Say what Juel about her? She's a 1239 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,120 Speaker 1: very direct character for in person, and and she's just 1240 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,360 Speaker 1: kind of shoved aside, and reasons are found to dismiss her, 1241 01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,400 Speaker 1: and sometimes even including like the fact that she's very 1242 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,120 Speaker 1: direct is used as a reason to discredit her. It's 1243 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,639 Speaker 1: like you're too blunt, like we it's trashy, did not classy, right, 1244 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,920 Speaker 1: And the ultimate message being that, like people just didn't 1245 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,400 Speaker 1: believe what she was saying. And there was a lot 1246 01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,559 Speaker 1: of ways that people were biased and prejudiced against her 1247 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,920 Speaker 1: that informed that reaction. You know, like there's a lot 1248 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,080 Speaker 1: there's certainly a lot of gray area in this story, 1249 01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:02,880 Speaker 1: but that she was done a huge disservice by the 1250 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,479 Speaker 1: media that ended up robbing her of a career, that 1251 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,920 Speaker 1: it seemed like people always wanted to rob her up anyways. Yeah, 1252 01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,360 Speaker 1: um it just yeah. There's a line that she says 1253 01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,439 Speaker 1: in the movie. She's talking about Nancy Karrigan, and she says, 1254 01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,840 Speaker 1: the press wanted Nancy to be the princess and I 1255 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,599 Speaker 1: to be the pile of crap to sell papers. So 1256 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,439 Speaker 1: basically they had decided even though they came from similar 1257 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,479 Speaker 1: economic backgrounds Nancy and Tanya, which is the movie should 1258 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,960 Speaker 1: have said, I should have said, but because Nancy was 1259 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,160 Speaker 1: maybe not his crass and maybe a little bit more 1260 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:35,519 Speaker 1: refined in her appearance, and the press just held onto 1261 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:40,560 Speaker 1: that and we're like, yeah, Tanya is white trash, forklift 1262 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:45,800 Speaker 1: driving welder lady who was like gross and her competitor. 1263 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,439 Speaker 1: Of course they were. Well, the thing is like that sucks, 1264 01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,040 Speaker 1: is like Nancy was from a similar background, but she 1265 01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,599 Speaker 1: just she was willing to play ball, as it were, 1266 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:59,280 Speaker 1: by not really saying anything about her background. She was 1267 01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:02,519 Speaker 1: very like old interviews with her, they're just you know, 1268 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,200 Speaker 1: in the way that you see a lot of teenagers 1269 01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,920 Speaker 1: who come to prominence and stay there. She's not really 1270 01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:12,360 Speaker 1: saying that much. She's saying like she's thanking people. She 1271 01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, she's not stating her opinions as much as 1272 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,240 Speaker 1: Tanya is. And I think that, like there is a 1273 01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:23,000 Speaker 1: big element of like people wanting her to apologize for 1274 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:28,080 Speaker 1: something that she she she's an unapologetic person and people 1275 01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,439 Speaker 1: did not like that, and I it's I mean, we've 1276 01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,439 Speaker 1: hit on this before, just like an unapologetic man Sky 1277 01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,680 Speaker 1: is the limit for those types of characters, and a 1278 01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,000 Speaker 1: lot of biopics that is like the center of it. 1279 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Like he never apologized for doing what he thought was right, 1280 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,080 Speaker 1: and that's what we see Tanya doing. And you know, 1281 01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,840 Speaker 1: you can see the real historical result is that her 1282 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,960 Speaker 1: life was ruined because she wasn't willing to play ball 1283 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,519 Speaker 1: and was unapologetic about who she was. I don't know 1284 01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:02,000 Speaker 1: if this is an appropriate parallel to draw, but remember 1285 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,599 Speaker 1: when Mike Tyson bid off someone's ear and everyone's like, oh, 1286 01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,920 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson, Oh this slap on the wrist. But actually 1287 01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,479 Speaker 1: you can still be in the public eye and you're like, 1288 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,920 Speaker 1: what a silly guy, and did it? And I think 1289 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,320 Speaker 1: that ties back to the femininity issue of like the 1290 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,599 Speaker 1: sports she was in it, just like she wasn't supposed 1291 01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,280 Speaker 1: to be tough and that sports she's supposed to be 1292 01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:29,840 Speaker 1: traditionally feminine, and there was no wage room. But then 1293 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,479 Speaker 1: also just the way that like the press and media 1294 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,240 Speaker 1: treated both cases, where like Tanya was to some degree 1295 01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:41,040 Speaker 1: involved in violence against Nancy Karragan and Mike Tyson was 1296 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:47,320 Speaker 1: no doubt involved with violence around there's an apanage of 1297 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:51,519 Speaker 1: it by fighting his ear off, but he got some 1298 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,479 Speaker 1: ship for a while, I remember. But now, like Mike Tyson, 1299 01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,519 Speaker 1: you can see him in movies like he's still check out, 1300 01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,240 Speaker 1: Please God, don't watch the overr but like exactly like huge, 1301 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,240 Speaker 1: he's still a person that people. Yeah, and often he's 1302 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,760 Speaker 1: the butt of a joke, but the fact that he's 1303 01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,360 Speaker 1: still But honestly, that was then I ended. I'd argue 1304 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,719 Speaker 1: that ultimately that was a boon to his career. Yeah, 1305 01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:16,040 Speaker 1: whereas with Tanya it was easier to villainize her because 1306 01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:22,120 Speaker 1: of the patriarchy, that little shifty patriarchy. Back again, he 1307 01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:26,400 Speaker 1: thought we got it last time, recommended viewing for people 1308 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,599 Speaker 1: who enjoyed Itonia first of all, watched the documentary it's 1309 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,320 Speaker 1: made by I forget what her name is, but a 1310 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,360 Speaker 1: really great documentary. And also I think it is relevant 1311 01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,559 Speaker 1: that the source material for this movie was curated and 1312 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,320 Speaker 1: presented by a female filmmaker, really really, really good. And 1313 01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:46,360 Speaker 1: then follow up, I would watch the Netflix documentary about 1314 01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:51,639 Speaker 1: Amanda Knox, where you'll find a similar story of I mean, 1315 01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,200 Speaker 1: there's no limit to the stories of women being victimized 1316 01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,200 Speaker 1: in media. That's why our Shall exists. But in terms 1317 01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,800 Speaker 1: of like real life stuff, Amanda Knox the I mean 1318 01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,160 Speaker 1: the story being that she was accused of murder when 1319 01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,760 Speaker 1: it was clear very early on that she did not 1320 01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,680 Speaker 1: do it and it was done by someone else who 1321 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,639 Speaker 1: admitted to it. But for years it was like did 1322 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,519 Speaker 1: she do it? And was pushed by the media. And 1323 01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,840 Speaker 1: I think that this movie pulls from that a little 1324 01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,320 Speaker 1: bit because there's that shitty media guy that we see 1325 01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,639 Speaker 1: in the talking heads over and over who's like he 1326 01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:27,760 Speaker 1: and I popped her tires like the that seemed like 1327 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,040 Speaker 1: almost directly pulled from There's like this British tabloid journalist 1328 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,679 Speaker 1: in the Amanda Knox documentary who couldn't be more thrilled 1329 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,559 Speaker 1: with himself for ruining her life and I just want 1330 01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,720 Speaker 1: to shoot him. But recommended viewing. Hey does this movie 1331 01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,719 Speaker 1: about the bachtel Pst. I wonder it certainly does. For sure. 1332 01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,919 Speaker 1: You've got Livona and the coach talking, You've got Tanya 1333 01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,000 Speaker 1: and the coach talking. You've got Lavanna and Tanya talking 1334 01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,920 Speaker 1: to each other. You've got we didn't talk about this character, 1335 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,559 Speaker 1: but Tanya fires Diane her first coach, and then hire 1336 01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,400 Speaker 1: someone named Dottie or something. And then when she sucks 1337 01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,800 Speaker 1: up the ninety two Olympics, Diana ends up coming back 1338 01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,880 Speaker 1: with that great scene at the diner where Time was like, well, 1339 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,519 Speaker 1: I'm just like my mom. I'm a waitress, I'm poor, 1340 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm out of shape, and the good news is I 1341 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,240 Speaker 1: also am on skilled. It's like that was fun. That 1342 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,120 Speaker 1: was fun. But yeah, I mean the movie passes dozens 1343 01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,960 Speaker 1: of times. It's not even worth counting how many, because 1344 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,760 Speaker 1: it knows this movie is from moment when women take 1345 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,280 Speaker 1: up the screen for the majority of the movie, and 1346 01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:37,519 Speaker 1: again it is worth saying, it's white women again. Tricky, 1347 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,800 Speaker 1: it's a biopic. Tricky. We're in Oregon for most of 1348 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,760 Speaker 1: the movie, but worth staying. Oregon, which was founded as 1349 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,280 Speaker 1: a white supremacy state. If you didn't know, I didn't know. Horrible. Yeah, 1350 01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,759 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even let black people live there until sometime 1351 01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,560 Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties. I want to say, well, that explains, 1352 01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,200 Speaker 1: and it was like a white state. It was found 1353 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,360 Speaker 1: like this is going to be a white haven for 1354 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,479 Speaker 1: any white people who want to live here and not 1355 01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,400 Speaker 1: be around any people. Not know that. That makes sense 1356 01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,639 Speaker 1: of every place I've ever seen an Oregon well, very white, 1357 01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:17,080 Speaker 1: fucked up man. She'll be right the movie. Yes, I'm 1358 01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,519 Speaker 1: going to give it a five nipple. I think I 1359 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,200 Speaker 1: think I am to No, No, I'm gonna give it 1360 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,519 Speaker 1: four because and I know it's about Atonia Harding. But 1361 01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:32,160 Speaker 1: I do think that Nancy was robbed, was was villainized. 1362 01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,920 Speaker 1: She was Margo Robbie. I think she was, and I 1363 01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,040 Speaker 1: understand why this choice was made, but I don't like it. 1364 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,519 Speaker 1: She was villainized in this story that she was not. 1365 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,519 Speaker 1: She couldn't be less of a villain or even a 1366 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,880 Speaker 1: willing participant in I thought that there were several small 1367 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,120 Speaker 1: opportunities to flesh her out a little bit, but the 1368 01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,960 Speaker 1: movie shows no interest in giving Nancy's character any to mention, 1369 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:03,559 Speaker 1: which I that really did bother me. However, every other 1370 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:09,599 Speaker 1: woman we see on screen is flawed, has motivation just 1371 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, just like a lot of human women 1372 01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,760 Speaker 1: are shown in this movie and are shown together and 1373 01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,120 Speaker 1: are shown in conflict, are shown not in conflict. There's 1374 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,960 Speaker 1: actually kind of everyone in this movie is in conflict 1375 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,280 Speaker 1: at all times, regardless of gender, pretty much without exception, 1376 01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,719 Speaker 1: down to the fucking we didn't talk about this where 1377 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,280 Speaker 1: we think we're getting a reconciliation scene with Tanya and 1378 01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,599 Speaker 1: her mom and they're like, nope, she's being paid by 1379 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:37,200 Speaker 1: someone to get to admit she did something that she 1380 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,479 Speaker 1: may not have actually done. Amazing, but yeah, I mean, 1381 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,519 Speaker 1: I think that this movie is terrific. I just wish 1382 01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:47,680 Speaker 1: justice for Nancy. Baby. Nancy, to her credit slash to 1383 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,360 Speaker 1: my low key fury, still to this day, has no 1384 01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:53,960 Speaker 1: interest in talking about it. They're like, have you seen Titania. 1385 01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,360 Speaker 1: She's like, nope, she will not talk about it. She 1386 01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:01,160 Speaker 1: has no interest. I mean, is weird because Nancy Kerrigan 1387 01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,599 Speaker 1: ended up kind of making a killing off of this incident, 1388 01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,439 Speaker 1: although obviously she was not. Again, she's not a willing 1389 01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,240 Speaker 1: participant in this, but she did make that amazing comeback 1390 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,320 Speaker 1: and then off of that amazing comeback, she one second 1391 01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,280 Speaker 1: place made a face, which I'm just like, that's the 1392 01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:21,519 Speaker 1: only time we've seen Nancy Kerrigan behave human is that 1393 01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,240 Speaker 1: because she was so like conscious and perfect and then 1394 01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,280 Speaker 1: when she was just like kind of There is like 1395 01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,599 Speaker 1: a great clip when Nancy Kergan gets the silver medal 1396 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:32,400 Speaker 1: in the Olympics where the girl who wins it was 1397 01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:35,040 Speaker 1: like a Russian girl is like taking a while to 1398 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,880 Speaker 1: get off the ice because she's crying so much, and 1399 01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,960 Speaker 1: Nancy is just like, there's like a clip of Nancy 1400 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,920 Speaker 1: kirk and be like, why are we gonna just We're 1401 01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,920 Speaker 1: just gonna keep filming her crying. I was like, okay, fine, 1402 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,920 Speaker 1: she's a person, you know. In fact, I like that. 1403 01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,040 Speaker 1: First of all, I make faces all the time. I 1404 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,760 Speaker 1: always have a scowl on my face. So and also 1405 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,920 Speaker 1: that's basically telling telling a woman to smile smiling when 1406 01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:02,120 Speaker 1: he smiled. She lost, after all, she there like she frowned. 1407 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,200 Speaker 1: But but the movie cast her as in I mean, 1408 01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:07,720 Speaker 1: Tanya cast her is in the wrong for doing that, 1409 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,040 Speaker 1: and the movie makes no commentary. And the fact that 1410 01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,960 Speaker 1: that is probably a little petty of her, because you know, 1411 01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,800 Speaker 1: Nancy Anyways, clearly I'm a Nancy stand I love her, 1412 01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,720 Speaker 1: I love Tanya too, I love this movie. Yeah, I'm 1413 01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,240 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna stick with my five just because I 1414 01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:28,680 Speaker 1: don't have the same emotional attachment to Nancy Carrigan as 1415 01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,559 Speaker 1: you do. So I just thought it was great that 1416 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:35,839 Speaker 1: we what feels like because they actually are real people depicted, 1417 01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:40,479 Speaker 1: because other biopics will be about a historical figure and 1418 01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:45,200 Speaker 1: totally glass over them and make them not that Tom 1419 01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:49,040 Speaker 1: Hanks movie about Walt Disney. Also that Tom Hanks biopics 1420 01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:53,960 Speaker 1: are fucking problematic. Charlie Wilson's War is an atrocity to nature. 1421 01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,519 Speaker 1: Charlie Wilson was like a senator I'm pretty sure who. 1422 01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,639 Speaker 1: Literally the whole movie is like he's a using women 1423 01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,880 Speaker 1: and it's sucking cool. Tom Hanks. Some biopics no more 1424 01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,400 Speaker 1: the post funk off. Well. An example I saw recently 1425 01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,040 Speaker 1: was the Greatest Showman, which is the worst movie I've 1426 01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,360 Speaker 1: ever seen. I did go to see it because zac 1427 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,920 Speaker 1: Efron is in it, and that's my cross to bear, 1428 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,360 Speaker 1: but that movie totally glossed over all the horrible ship P. T. 1429 01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,640 Speaker 1: Barnum did in his life and does not depict him 1430 01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,720 Speaker 1: as an interesting or compelling or multidimensional character the way 1431 01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,519 Speaker 1: that Ionia does. So, I Tany was very responsible in 1432 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:34,080 Speaker 1: presenting these characters, flawed as they may be, as dynamic, 1433 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:41,360 Speaker 1: multidimensional characters and people, and exploring things that movies don't 1434 01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,080 Speaker 1: often if they do explore, they don't go into enough 1435 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:48,360 Speaker 1: depth about or make any real statement about, which is 1436 01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:53,799 Speaker 1: you know, class struggles and abuse and the media's portrayal 1437 01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,360 Speaker 1: of women and things like that. So it tackles a lot. 1438 01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,479 Speaker 1: It tackles a lot, and I think it does it 1439 01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,800 Speaker 1: all for the most part, pretty responsibly. And on top 1440 01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,840 Speaker 1: of that, it's just, you know, a woman's story. It's 1441 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,200 Speaker 1: a woman driving this story. It's a fun movie. It's 1442 01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,160 Speaker 1: good because there is kind of like sometimes a tendency 1443 01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,400 Speaker 1: of even in movies that farewell with the Beachtel tests, 1444 01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,400 Speaker 1: in portrayal of women of like, yeah, we're seeing strong 1445 01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,120 Speaker 1: female characters, but we're not seeing a strong, flawed female characters, 1446 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,799 Speaker 1: and that's something this movie does very well. Yes indeed, 1447 01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,920 Speaker 1: so yeah, I give it a five nipple and my 1448 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:31,519 Speaker 1: nipples go to I think that Sean Eckart has eight nipples. 1449 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,679 Speaker 1: You think it's a cat he's a cat. How great 1450 01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,120 Speaker 1: would it have been if Alfred Willina was in this movie? 1451 01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,040 Speaker 1: I gonna say there's not really any older male parts 1452 01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,320 Speaker 1: in this movie though, so it might have been impossible. 1453 01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,400 Speaker 1: And also how amazing is it that there's no older 1454 01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,320 Speaker 1: male parts in this movie? Um? So ali from Willina? Unfortunately, 1455 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,200 Speaker 1: I think, I mean he's a feminist icon. He posted 1456 01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,080 Speaker 1: a first trap along with a caption that's like donate 1457 01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,760 Speaker 1: to Times up and it's like, um, what bitch, But 1458 01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,320 Speaker 1: like I love it, You're get So you're giving Sean 1459 01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,599 Speaker 1: Akhart five nipples? Nipples, I'll give him two of mine, 1460 01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:10,360 Speaker 1: which brings up his count to seven. So maybe he's 1461 01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,439 Speaker 1: just like he's got like a spare time. Because I 1462 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,559 Speaker 1: love I can't wait to see Paul Walter Hauser in 1463 01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,759 Speaker 1: every movie that comes up from now on. I literally 1464 01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,680 Speaker 1: can't wait to be tired of him. Um, and am 1465 01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,320 Speaker 1: giving my other two nipples to Nancy? Sorry? Yeah, that's great. Yeah, 1466 01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,679 Speaker 1: And I also think that I look more like Nancy 1467 01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,200 Speaker 1: Kerrigan than the girl who played her in the movie. 1468 01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out. So like all the casting 1469 01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:40,719 Speaker 1: agents were patrons on are you can't wait to play Nancy? Karrigan. Well, 1470 01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:47,800 Speaker 1: that was the episode, folks, thanks for listening. I had 1471 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,719 Speaker 1: given the I didn't remember this, but I had given 1472 01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,280 Speaker 1: the movie five nipples, um and and Jamie you had 1473 01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,840 Speaker 1: given it four. I think I wouldn't necessarily give it 1474 01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:03,839 Speaker 1: five if we like to backpedaling on her nipple writing again, 1475 01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:09,800 Speaker 1: Caitlin backpedal, Durante strikes again. I don't know. Maybe I 1476 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,240 Speaker 1: would still give it. I might. I might even scored 1477 01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,280 Speaker 1: a little lower. I don't know, maybe it would still 1478 01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,040 Speaker 1: be around of four for me. I think I think 1479 01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,559 Speaker 1: I would drop it down to like a four point five. 1480 01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,120 Speaker 1: For the reasons that you cited in the episode. I 1481 01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,240 Speaker 1: was just too I was too gung ho about it. 1482 01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,760 Speaker 1: I guess I was just like Ed had just come 1483 01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,559 Speaker 1: out and we were all excited. We were like Alice 1484 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,400 Speaker 1: and Janny's gonna win that Oscar and then she did. 1485 01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like, oh, and I was a 1486 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,439 Speaker 1: final note that I think in the two and a 1487 01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,960 Speaker 1: half years since, this movie has kind of slipped out 1488 01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,200 Speaker 1: of the zeitgeist in a way. I do not like. 1489 01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,360 Speaker 1: I feel like people don't talk about Titania really at all, 1490 01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,040 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's it's you and dummy A 1491 01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,680 Speaker 1: did Jewey bay or the only people talking about Titania 1492 01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,479 Speaker 1: and we need to fix that. Me and Demi's thread 1493 01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,400 Speaker 1: is pretty much all about Itoni, like it's just like 1494 01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:07,160 Speaker 1: watching it again, Like it's just we're both watching it 1495 01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,639 Speaker 1: a lot. He and I have a similar text thread 1496 01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:13,439 Speaker 1: about Paddington's, so that makes sense. Demi is that friend 1497 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:19,000 Speaker 1: because he's a man of passion. Um. But I would 1498 01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,960 Speaker 1: encourage you if you like Titania, tell someone who hasn't. 1499 01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,679 Speaker 1: It's on Hulu. For crying out loud, It's not hard 1500 01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,680 Speaker 1: to watch Titania. It's so accessible. Just bring it to 1501 01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:32,920 Speaker 1: your friends, bring it to your loved ones. They deserve it. Okay, 1502 01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,840 Speaker 1: that's I'm getting off my subbox. Also, Jamie, I can't 1503 01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,679 Speaker 1: believe we went through that entire episode and you never 1504 01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:44,880 Speaker 1: mentioned anything about Zamboni's which is I mean, that is 1505 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,240 Speaker 1: for a reason one of my one of my only notes, 1506 01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,679 Speaker 1: not a Zamboni in the whole movie, not a damn Zamboni, 1507 01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:58,800 Speaker 1: which is first of all, erasure, Bodi Erasure, there's for sure. 1508 01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,120 Speaker 1: And like Tanya heart thing is like she's like a 1509 01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,120 Speaker 1: working class hero. She would be talking to the Zamboni 1510 01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,920 Speaker 1: drivers she would be forging lifelong friendships to the zamboni drivers. 1511 01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,000 Speaker 1: I bet she knows how to drive a zamboni and 1512 01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,960 Speaker 1: like everything. Now I want to just quote the whole 1513 01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,599 Speaker 1: movie again. She does chop on every day, she does 1514 01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:22,240 Speaker 1: drive the zamboni every day. Yeah, that would be. I mean, 1515 01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,400 Speaker 1: that would just be if this were a fictional story. 1516 01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,000 Speaker 1: They're like, well, yeah, Tanya pays for her lessons by 1517 01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,599 Speaker 1: driving the zamboni, which is something that I would do 1518 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:34,280 Speaker 1: for anything for free. Oh sure. Like to refer to 1519 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,040 Speaker 1: a recent episode on The Cheetah Girls when the one 1520 01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:40,519 Speaker 1: character works at the community center to pay for her 1521 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,800 Speaker 1: for her dance lessons, it could be just like that. 1522 01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,960 Speaker 1: That's a very common way to get children to do 1523 01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:51,880 Speaker 1: labor they shouldn't necessarily be doing. Um was my I 1524 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,639 Speaker 1: did the same thing for dance classes in in uh 1525 01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:56,800 Speaker 1: in high school. They're like, oh, to help teach the 1526 01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,200 Speaker 1: little kids. And then we'll look the other way, and 1527 01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:04,120 Speaker 1: you're like, look the other way, I'm doing a job. Anyways, 1528 01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,760 Speaker 1: Titon your rocks. She should have been on a zamboni. Also, 1529 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:15,559 Speaker 1: I've written a zamboni and we seen. Um. Well, thanks 1530 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,799 Speaker 1: for listening everyone, Um you can follow us on social 1531 01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:24,040 Speaker 1: media at Specto Cast on Twitter and Instagram. Really be 1532 01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,519 Speaker 1: sure to follow those accounts because that's where we post, 1533 01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, certain events that we have. Maybe you were 1534 01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,280 Speaker 1: maybe you were hanging out on our Titanic live stream 1535 01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,640 Speaker 1: last week. We're hoping to do more of those. So 1536 01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,400 Speaker 1: just stay in touch, don't be a stranger. You can 1537 01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:42,240 Speaker 1: join our the The episode you heard unlocked today was 1538 01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,400 Speaker 1: from our patreon a k a. 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You should, um make an Itonia 1548 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:20,320 Speaker 1: design for okay, don't tend to be Also, I wanted 1549 01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:26,000 Speaker 1: to pitch this go for it a crossover of Ionia 1550 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:30,120 Speaker 1: and I Frankenstein. What if they exist in the same universe. 1551 01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:35,240 Speaker 1: We should honestly, I now I'm like, should I change 1552 01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:43,120 Speaker 1: my other birthday? Patreon episode two I Frankenstein? Honestly, something 1553 01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:48,040 Speaker 1: good thin I fregate side is there was two perfect 1554 01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:52,280 Speaker 1: movies combined. It couldn't be done. Oh god, I love 1555 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,960 Speaker 1: I freak it said so much like the scene where 1556 01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,360 Speaker 1: he's on top of the mountain and he's just swinging 1557 01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,400 Speaker 1: around nun chucks, but there's no when there. I love it. 1558 01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,320 Speaker 1: I simply don't remember. I think I've seen it, but 1559 01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,880 Speaker 1: I don't remember anything about it. Aaron Eckhart really wishes 1560 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,000 Speaker 1: that you didn't remember anything about it. I would I 1561 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,880 Speaker 1: would gladly record a bonus episode on it, though, if 1562 01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,759 Speaker 1: that was your birthday wish. Maybe that's the move about 1563 01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:23,719 Speaker 1: to make my wishes come true. All right, Well, thanks 1564 01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:27,439 Speaker 1: again everyone, and we'll see you next week. Bye.