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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. As

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Speaker 1: many of you know, I tend to overanalyze and dive

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Speaker 1: deep into random topics during the off season. Lately, I've

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Speaker 1: been down that rabbit hole on bullets. How bolts perform

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Speaker 1: at different distances and velocities, what happens when they hit

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Speaker 1: herm as bone, their accuracy, consistency, how easy they are

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Speaker 1: How well can I shoot them at longer ranges? But

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Speaker 1: instead of me just reading and researching on my moment

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Speaker 1: and I figured why not bring on an expert? So

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Speaker 1: today I brought on Maddie Woodward from Nosler onto the

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Speaker 1: show and to kind of help me break down purpose

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Speaker 1: built bullets and the key factors to consider when choosing

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Speaker 1: the right one. And I'm pretty excited to talk to

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Speaker 1: her a little bit about Nauser's new line of suppressors.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Mattie.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've I think we met back in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty my years get all mixed up at the Western Hunt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was. I won't lie. I was pretty impressed.

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Speaker 2: You're pretty dang good out caller as well. So uh,

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Speaker 2: yeah you.

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Speaker 1: Were you were there with with our good h friend

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Speaker 1: John and Kylie Gabriel I don't know if it was

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Speaker 1: good out caller and then you know, our passive kind

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Speaker 1: of cross back again and happy to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited to talk about bullets today.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, we had a we we talked to you

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Speaker 1: that that call and I'm like, I'm gonna bring her

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Speaker 1: bullets than I do. So glad, glad that we could

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Speaker 1: uh could could link up here. And uh, as of late,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure NRL matches aren't new to you, but you've

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Speaker 1: of our listeners that don't know, explain what NRL matches

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So NRL matches are essentially a shooting match with

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Speaker 3: anywhere from eighteen to twenty stages. And they're blind stages.

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Speaker 3: So you go into the stage knowing that you have

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Speaker 3: but you don't know where those targets are at, where

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Speaker 3: so you're kind of going in blind and it really

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Speaker 3: I shot my first one last spring and I from there,

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Speaker 3: what I found is that it's made me a much better,

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Speaker 3: I drew a really great unit here in Oregon. It

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Speaker 3: And it's helped me make that animal a target. Like

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Speaker 3: But it has allowed me to call myself in that

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Speaker 3: I've really been like preaching as I'm kind of going

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Speaker 3: practicing these things has really helped me. And I've been

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Speaker 3: like be super competitive, but even one match made the

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing that you know, whether you're able

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Speaker 1: And you know, if I remember you played college basketball

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Speaker 1: but it's one of those things like I've taken a

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Speaker 1: so I've did this, I've pulled the trigger at this

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Speaker 1: It's but it's not riding the bike. It's like if

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Speaker 3: I think and we did kind of ah go ahead, No.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I I've only ever did one,

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Speaker 2: And it is I could see that if you went

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Speaker 1: Multiple times, like you would eventually hone those skills that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that prone is the ultimate position right,

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Speaker 3: like you have multiple points of your body on the ground,

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Speaker 2: Are you ever going to chase down Pinch or al Wine?

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Speaker 3: So I think that would be ultimate.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I would love just to just to mess with

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Speaker 1: al Wine just just because of who he is or

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Speaker 1: you know, Pinch is too humble for the most part,

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Speaker 1: but not alline, so it'd be it'd be funner to

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Speaker 1: give Matt some some crap. But I know those guys

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Speaker 1: I'll uh, you know, kind of kind of get some

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Speaker 1: get some feedback from you know, I miss the three

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Speaker 1: i will make the shot first shot hit cold bar like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take it. And I missed my dear

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Speaker 1: this year at three hundred and thirty yards in Idaho,

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Speaker 1: which like what the heck. I was just shooting like

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Speaker 1: three inch groups at eight hundred our range, Like what

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Speaker 1: And the ultimate takeaway from that is just always let

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Speaker 1: keep your gun cold so there's no condensation. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, for those that don't know, Nazler's a seventy

434
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Speaker 3: seven year old company started back in nineteen forty eight,

435
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Speaker 3: We are owned by the third generation Nozzler, So Johnny

436
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 3: Nozzler started the company back in nineteen forty eight and

437
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 3: then it's been passed down and we're on third generations.

438
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 3: It's a NASA family. It runs this place very involved.

439
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,639
Speaker 3: We have a tight knit staff here and we have

440
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 3: a facility in both Spend and Redmond here in central

441
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 3: Organ and we have just outgrown it. And it's kind

442
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,439
Speaker 3: of crazy being a seventy seven year old company and

443
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 3: still being in a growth phase, but that's ultimately where

444
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Speaker 3: we are, and so we are. We're building a huge

445
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 3: new facility in Redmond, Organ which is just fifteen miles

446
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 3: north of us right now, and we do have a

447
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 3: smaller facility there right now where we manufacture brass, we

448
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 3: build rifles, suppressors, the load ammunition, but it wasn't as

449
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: efficient I we'd like it to be. We really just

450
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 3: want to get everyone on one campus. So we are

451
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: building a new facility production and headquarters will have everyone

452
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 3: on one campus. Will be expanding our production, and then

453
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 3: there's also a growth phase down the road once that

454
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 3: facility is built. For years down the road, there's a

455
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 3: plan six spand even further.

456
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Speaker 2: Nice. Nice, yeah, it is.

457
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Speaker 1: It is crazy, you know, I'm our company is what whoa.

458
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Speaker 2: Fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old?

459
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Speaker 1: I don't even know, you know, and still growing, but

460
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: like to be at seventy seven, like I always just

461
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 1: assume like the plateau is coming. I'm sure there's some

462
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 1: flat years, but like to still be growing, expanding, that's

463
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Speaker 1: pretty awesome.

464
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really exciting. And I think that there's still

465
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Speaker 3: a lot of potential for an outs. They're out there.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's exciting. So let's jump into bullets

467
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: and bullet construction. And I always you know, growing up,

468
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: when you didn't know everything that that you know, the

469
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: internet's there, it was always funny because as you started

470
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 1: to elk hunt, it like if you weren't around home,

471
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: if you weren't hunting the brush with a partition, you

472
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: would have thought there was no way that that elk

473
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: would ever die from any other bullet, you know. And

474
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: so I can remember like growing up, all my uncles

475
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: had either seven mags or thirty odd sixes, and you know,

476
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 1: you had your one sixty partition load and your seven

477
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: Like everybody shot the same gun, same load, same everything,

478
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: And so like growing up, it was like Donza partition

479
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: was the bullet, just like you had to have a

480
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: loopholed scope, but three by nine by forty you had

481
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 1: to have an allar bar like everybody had what you

482
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: had to, you know, have on your gun. And I

483
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: could remember I was the black Sheep when I started

484
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: shooting one sixty acubans out of out of my seven

485
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: mag And so, uh, those are some of the bullets

486
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna kind of get into. But let's

487
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: and I hope I don't get your guys as like

488
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, tagline wrong, but like I think it's easy

489
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: to say that you guys build purpose built bullets and

490
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: so kind of walk us through. I don't know if

491
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: you want to start at them, but like, when you

492
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: guys go to design a bullet, are you trying to

493
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: fill coffers? Like is it set up for a velocity?

494
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: Is it set up for a specific animal? Is it

495
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: set up for a specific distance? Is it set up

496
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: for a certain expansion? Like control of that bollet? Like,

497
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: walk us through that that design process on how these

498
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: specific purpose or purpose built bullets are kind of thought about.

499
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Speaker 2: Is that brought to market?

500
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we think about them in multiple different ways.

501
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 3: One of the ways is the species that you're hunting,

502
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 3: and a lot of times that can vary, right, So

503
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 3: like we have a partition in you know, a two

504
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 3: forty three and then a partition on the heavy side

505
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: and a three hundred wind bag, and so you're not

506
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 3: gonna be hunting elk with the lower end caliber or

507
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 3: like varmints with the higher end caliber. But we do

508
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 3: bail them specific for those different use cases within the

509
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: caliber range. But ultimately our hunting bullets are made to

510
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: have penetration and great expansion, and within that we have

511
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: a few different lines of bullets. So one is the partition,

512
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 3: which is what the company was founded on back in

513
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 3: nineteen forty eight. And just for a little backstory there,

514
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: John Nodler went to British Columbia and on a moose

515
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: hunt and he shot a moose at a reasonable yardage

516
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 3: that he thought the moose would go down at and

517
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 3: he ended up shooting him multiple times before the moose

518
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: went down. It was a mudcakes moose, and ultimately what

519
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: he found was that those bullets were not penetrating the

520
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: high and so it took like some seven shots for

521
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: this moose to go down and as an engineer, and

522
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: you know a hunter, he was like, A, that doesn't

523
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: feel right for the animal, and B with his engineer mind,

524
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: he was like, I can build a better bullet. And

525
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: so he went back and instantly was like drawing up

526
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 3: these bullet ideas. And that's where the partition stem from.

527
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 3: And the partition is a dual core design, so you

528
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: have a front core and a rear corps divided by

529
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: an integral partition, and defront is designed for rapid expansion

530
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: upon penetration, and then the rear core is designed to

531
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: drive that mushroomed bullet through the animal. So the partitions

532
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 3: really known were really well known for big game, really

533
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 3: well known here in the West like elk, deer, moose, bear,

534
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: and then very popular over in Africa for planes game.

535
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 3: And John explained it as like a truck and trailer.

536
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 3: So you're hauling a heavy load that doesn't have trailer

537
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: brakes and you go to hit the brake and that

538
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: trailer keeps driving you through. And that's of what he

539
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: designed that partition off of. And then from there the

540
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 3: partition is is what most bullets in the industry now

541
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 3: are designed based on. And it's funny because people are

542
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: always like, oh, well, what is NAS are doing? It's

543
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 3: new and innovative and and it's it's like the partition,

544
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 3: it works right there. So to innovate that partition, it's

545
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: the accubond, which is our bonded bonded version. It doesn't

546
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: have a dual core, but that bonding helps keep that

547
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: weight retention and penetration, and then it has the tip

548
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: for increased BC longer distance shooting. So I like the accubond,

549
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: but I feel like that's a younger generation thing. And

550
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: I've been very successful with the acubond. All of the

551
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 3: guys that I talk to that are that are older

552
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,479
Speaker 3: than me or that have been around since the company

553
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 3: is founding the way by the partition, and I think

554
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: they're both really great options. But ultimately, like we're looking

555
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 3: for penetration and that weight retention, and so we want

556
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: to not only create a big wound cavity through that animal,

557
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 3: but we want it to push all the way through.

558
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: And so we have the partition, the acubond. We have

559
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: an Acubond Long Range, which is another bonded bullet that

560
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 3: we have a proprietary bonding process. If you've shot other bullets,

561
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: sometimes you'll notice that the core will separate from the jacket,

562
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 3: and we found that that isn't the best way to

563
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: always design a bullet when you're wanting that deep penetration.

564
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: So we have the Acuban long range, and kind of

565
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: the rule of some is acubond is for inside five

566
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: six hundred yards, and the Acuban long range is really

567
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: when you're expecting to get that long cross canyon shot,

568
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: you know, four hundred to you know, anywhere one thousand yards,

569
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 3: and it's hard, right, you don't know what kind of

570
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 3: shot you're gonna get. So you might go to Hell's

571
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 3: Canyon thinking you're going to get a cross canyon shot

572
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: and you see a buck that that's on the same

573
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: hillside as you. So the really neat thing about the

574
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: Acuban long range is it has a great expansion at

575
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 3: both high and low velocity, so you're not really going

576
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: to be stuck if you have to shoot a close

577
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: range shot. I shot an odd ad with an Accuban

578
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 3: long range at one hundred yards. Then he went down

579
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: within a few yards, so you get you still get

580
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: that really good expansion. It's just ideal expansion is at

581
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: a further distance.

582
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And That's kind of where I sit and struggle.

583
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: It's like, man, if the acubond, like if I could

584
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: make a better wind call on an acubon out or

585
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: if it doesn't, you know, if it would create So

586
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: then you're like leaning into long range acubon. But then like,

587
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: how does it perform at two hundred? So in my mind,

588
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking at like these envelopes of like what these

589
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: what these bullets are designed for? And then I go

590
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: out in the woods with like, all right, I've got

591
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: the ability to shoot eight hundred to one thousand if

592
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: I need to, but I absolutely don't want to, you know,

593
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: unless and even then we all know that when we

594
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: pull the trigger at long ranger, we've shot targets enough.

595
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: If you get any amount of wind and you can't

596
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: figure out the camp, like you just don't shoot right,

597
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: and so you you know, you have to get closer.

598
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I want to go out.

599
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: In the woods like with the idea like I can

600
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: shoot six hundred ish if I need to, but I

601
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: would love to shoot something at a hundred if it

602
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: works out that way. But then, you know, some of

603
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: the bolts I've shot in the past, you know, it's

604
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: like I've shot a meal deer at sixty yards and

605
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: I've shot ye you know, like you're you're always nervous,

606
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: like how are these going to perform? How much meat

607
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: is going to be there when you're done? And so

608
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: that's where it's like, all right, the long range acubon

609
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: gives me all the you know, gives me a high BC.

610
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to make a better wind

611
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: call without as much air involved, and it's still going

612
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: to perform when I do need to pull the trigger,

613
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, on something at one hundred yards. And so

614
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: that's where you're like you're trying to like figure out

615
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: what fits the perfect scenario versus like, all right, if

616
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: you're going moose hunting in the bogs and the timber

617
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: there's no openings, You're like, yeah, I'm just gonna grab

618
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: a partition because I just want the heaviest well I

619
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: can get. I don't need a high BC. I don't

620
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: need to be able to make a decent win call.

621
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: And so you just and that's where I think, you know,

622
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: when you're saying purpose built bullets, you might be able

623
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: to know you might need to grab different bullets for

624
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: different situations or a different gun for different situations if

625
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: they're set up differently.

626
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: Yes, And what I found is it's ultimately what you

627
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: are confident in, right. I think confident in your gear

628
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: and equipment goes a long way. So like my hunt

629
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: last year, I had an amazing year hunting. I shot

630
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: everything with a one sixty graine Acuban out of my

631
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: twenty eight dollarswear. So I shot my analote but six

632
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty yards with that Acubon and I found

633
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: the bullet on the off side shoulder, right under the skin,

634
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: So like that bullet emptied all of its energy into

635
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 3: that antelope did its job perfectly. So I think it's

636
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 3: it's ultimately like looking at the game that you're hunting,

637
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: the train that you're hunting, and then what your rifle likes.

638
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: Every rifle shoots a little bit differently. It might take

639
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: trying a couple different types of bullets to see what

640
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: your rifle shoots the best. But yeah, I think between

641
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: you know, the occuban, occuban long range and the partition

642
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: for big game here in the Northwest, like you're pretty

643
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: much set.

644
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

645
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: And then you guys do have like your your your

646
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: competition bullets, you know, your reduced drag factor and then

647
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: your competition line. You know this this is probably going

648
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: to open up a can of worms because and I

649
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: have hunted with them, right, and I think we would

650
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: be denying that they do work. But one of our

651
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: concerns is like reliability that it's going to do that

652
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: every time, like you could it may work one time.

653
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: You know, I was telling you before we hit the

654
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: record button. You know, my dad used one of my

655
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: custom built seven mags back in twenty fourteen shot a

656
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: meal You're out at you know, five point fifty five

657
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: eighty somewhere in there. I can't remember the exact yardage,

658
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: and like, hit it back, didn't hit the shoulder, which

659
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: we we try to do, you know, and miss the

660
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: rib and we literally got a point to eight four

661
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: hole in and a point to eight.

662
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: Four out hole out.

663
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: And going back to our our conversation earlier is like, yeah,

664
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: did the deer die, Yes, but did it take way

665
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: longer than I would ever want? Yes, you know, And

666
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: so it's like you run into some of that where

667
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, you hit you hit that deer

668
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: in the same spot with an ACU bond or you know,

669
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: a bullet that's that's more controlled. I guess you probably

670
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: get better performance, you know, on stuff like that.

671
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we can, I mean, we can get into

672
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: like some of the details about the difference between our

673
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: hunting bullets and our target bullets. I think that ultimately

674
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: it's just it's information for people to know. And ye

675
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: a lot of times and this used to be me

676
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: before I really started working in Alblar and getting more

677
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: knowledgeable about how billet of how bullets are constructed. I

678
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: would go to Buymart and I would say, oh, okay,

679
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: I need AMMO and seven red bags, and I would

680
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: look for the cheapest option and I would go and

681
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: site it in at one hundred yards a week before season,

682
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: and I would go hunt with it. And I just

683
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: think there's so much more information out now and like

684
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: online to learn about how these bullets are constructed, and

685
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: being involved with how they're made. A nozzler has really

686
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: opened my eyes to what is the best option for

687
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: the animal. And so the way that we make our

688
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: bullets or our hunting bullets is called impact extrusion, and

689
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: it takes a copper slug and what it does is

690
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: it punches out that slug, so it allows us to

691
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: build a heavy base, a heavily tapered jacket, so we're

692
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: getting good expansion at the front of the bullet, but

693
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: then that heavy base allows it to push through and penetrate,

694
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: whereas competition bullets are made with a copper strip, so

695
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: the bullets jacket can only be as thick as that

696
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: copper ship starts and then the core is inserted, so

697
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: really we're not able to manipulate that bullet's construction as much.

698
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: But that's okay, right because with our target bullets, we're

699
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: not worried about their terminal performance. We're not worried about

700
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: what they're doing after they impact the target. We're just

701
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: worried about how they get there. And so I think

702
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: what I found is that people really like the target

703
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: bullets because of how accurate they are. You know that

704
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: RDF is optimized to be accurate, but we don't know

705
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 3: what it does on an animal when it hits that animal,

706
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: or like what is doing after it impacts the high

707
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 3: So we've experienced bullets that are made for targets on animal,

708
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 3: we've experienced them penciling through like you mentioned, like one

709
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: hole in, one hole out. It doesn't do a whole

710
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: lot of internal damage well, and with that, it doesn't

711
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: endy any of that energy into that animal, because when

712
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: a bullet ushrooms, it's increasing the diameter of that bullet

713
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: and it's it's creating a larger hole through the animal,

714
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 3: and it's also jumping its energy. So we've experienced target

715
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: bullets that pencil right through and usually if you're getting

716
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: a small hole like that, the animal's blood will just

717
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: clog the hole and you won't get a good blood trail,

718
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: or we've seen them blow up on impact because we're

719
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 3: not concerned with what they do because they're not meant

720
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: for hunting. So people love how precise they are, they

721
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: love how accurate they are, but I think ultimately you

722
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 3: need to look at the terminal performance of the bullet,

723
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: and our hunting bullets are constructed with that.

724
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: In mac, what's your guys's opinion?

725
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: You had mentioned And one thing I did play with

726
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: the acubon don't I mean? And I'm also a big

727
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: you know fan of dead is dead, right, you can't

728
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: kill it, But like I did find like half my

729
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: ACU bonds would hold up on the opposite hide, half

730
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: of them would make it through, Like where's nas are

731
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: kind of sit on?

732
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: Like one hole versus two holes?

733
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: Like there is the idea we dropped all our energy

734
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: versus me sometimes, especially growing up in the coast, where

735
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: you're like, man, its trueould be nice to have blood

736
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: out that other hole, you know, Like, so where where

737
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: does nas are kind of sit? I mean the partition

738
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: at the right ranges usually always gets itself out the

739
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: other side. The acubond for me back in the day

740
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: when I was hunting with the one sixty out of

741
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: my seven mag was kind of like fifty to fifty,

742
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: you know it depending on how much bone and if

743
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: I ended up in the opposite shoulder versus I went

744
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: out the opposite you know, ribs, what do you guys

745
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: put thought into that? Like do we want the ball

746
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: to go out? Do we want to drop energy? Or

747
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: do I mean the ideal situation be like it used

748
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: its last one foot per second to like poke the

749
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: hole through the opposite side. Right now you've got two

750
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: holes and then you've dropped all your energy. But like,

751
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: where where's your guys' thought on that?

752
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 3: Yeah? So really, I though, is that we would love

753
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: to have two holes, right? You want that blood trail

754
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 3: if you're going to have to track an animal. But

755
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: I've experienced that too, like fifty to fifty. Sometimes it'll

756
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: stay right under the skin, and I'm like, oh, well,

757
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: why didn't it just like pop right through. But most

758
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 3: of the times I found that those animals are dead

759
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: right there or pretty close, like they're not going very far.

760
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: I think that it really plays into where you're you're

761
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: hitting them. If you're behind the shoulder. I've seen that

762
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: most times they're going through. If you do hit shoulder,

763
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: I've found that they usually stay in the hide on

764
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: the off side.

765
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

766
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it seems like I'm always backwards. I'm shooting

767
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: down so my entrance holes high, and if it doesn't

768
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: come out to the bottom where all the you know,

769
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: the way gravity would work, in the way the blood works,

770
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang it, I wish I was shooting uphill

771
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: and could put the hole low and then you know,

772
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: so you're but like you said, I've always found them close,

773
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: But it's just when you're it seems like when we're

774
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: shooting stuff, especially deer and like overgrown clearcuts, it's like, man,

775
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: this scene gets ten feet away from where I shot it.

776
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: Now we're like on hands and knees already if it,

777
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: you know. And that's all I've always wondered, Like I've

778
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: never been a big fan of all copper bullets at all,

779
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: but that is the one the one bonus is you

780
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: get the two holes. But I don't they don't shoot good.

781
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: They build pressure fast like all the other things that

782
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: we're not talking about, you know, the monos just just

783
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: don't shoot well or I haven't got them to shoot

784
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: well in any of my my guns. But it does

785
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: give you two holes. That The only time I switched

786
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: to more of a ah, you know, a solid copper

787
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: is in my muzzleloader because for some reason, that entrance

788
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: will never hardly bleeds and they will go for a

789
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: while until I'm like all right at times I'd like

790
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: to go out the other side. But even then, I

791
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: switched to a bonded bullet this year just for better

792
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: BC and a little bit more accuracy out of that

793
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: that muzzle order. But I was, I was kind of curious,

794
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, on on that.

795
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's process. It's like pros and cons, right,

796
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: Like you can't achieve everything with every bullet, especially in

797
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: so many different scenarios. Like it's going to perform on

798
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: deer differently than performs on elk. There's like flight variations,

799
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: variations and caliber bullet weight and in a lot of

800
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 3: our different like calibers and bullets, we offer different bullet weights,

801
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: and so like shooting through heavy brush, we shoot a

802
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 3: heavier bullet thin skin game, you could shoot a lighter bullet. Like,

803
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: there's some different variations there that people will play around with.

804
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: And and you know, we load our loaded ammo, like

805
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: the three hundred wind bags. We load in a one

806
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: eighty accubond in partition and a two hundred great actbon

807
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: in partition. So it's like it's a little bit of

808
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 3: personal preference, but it's like, you know, you can't achieve

809
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: every little thing like for everyone and every bullet. Some

810
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: people love that the bullet stays inside and dumps all

811
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: of its energy. Some people would rather see a complete

812
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: pass through every time. And it's like, you know, how

813
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: do we win?

814
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

815
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think me and you would maybe maybe

816
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: both agree that, Like my number one is like I

817
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: hit it where I want to, like number one, and

818
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: then number two, like the bullet may do it's own

819
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: little thing. So it's like I want to be able

820
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: to hit exactly where. And I'm confident that, you know,

821
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: all these bullets will do what they need to as

822
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: long as I can get the bullet there. What's your

823
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: opinion on like extremely heavy for caliber like bullets. So

824
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: I've been shooting a three thirty eight edge the last

825
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: few years, and I've been shooting a three hundred grain bullet,

826
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: and I love that, Like that sexual density is very

827
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: very high in that bullet, and then I get the

828
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: best of both worlds. I'm getting all the expansion I want,

829
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: but then that bullet's always got enough energy to just

830
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: like get out the other side.

831
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

832
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: So that's where, like in this conversation where you're like,

833
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: it really depends on the user if you like to

834
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: get kicked by a three hundred grain bullet leaving the

835
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: gun at three thousand feet per second, Like it is

836
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: what it is. But you guys have some three hundred

837
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: grain offerings in your three thirty eight as well, right

838
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: in both the both ACU bones, if I remember it,

839
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: you have the three hundred in both, yeah, which may

840
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: be a good option if you want that, you know,

841
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, good expansion, but then a whole out of

842
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: both sides.

843
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's another one where it depends, right,

844
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: like depending on the animal and your your scenario, And

845
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: a lot of guys are still holding over, like so

846
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: are you are you holding over? Are you dialing? Do

847
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: you know the ballistics? What's that foot pounds of energy

848
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: once it's getting to that animal, what's that velocity? And

849
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: that that changes based on that bullet weight, and so

850
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 3: those are those are definitely things to consider and everyone

851
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: has their preferences. So if you if you can handle

852
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: that recoil and love that, you know that just like

853
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: knock down power energy, then I say that's great, But

854
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: like not everybody needs that or want that, And I

855
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: think that that's exactly why we have those different options.

856
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's just something to think about,

857
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: like you can, you know, pick calibers, pick speeds, you know,

858
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: you increase the speed light in the bolt, like you're

859
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: probably going to get more of that, you know, more

860
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, I don't want to word

861
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: this right, but you're gonna get more catastrophic mushrooming.

862
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: Right, it's gonna be quicker, it's going.

863
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: To expand more, but you're probably not gonna be able

864
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: to drive it out the other side when you upspeed

865
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: lower weight. So you we're playing with all those things,

866
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: and you can really kind of personalize to some degree

867
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: what your bullet performance is gonna be.

868
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can. And I do like a heavy

869
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: for calible caliber bullet. I like that devastation. I like

870
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: that that animal is just getting wopped and they're going

871
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: to drop right there. But some guys don't. But for me,

872
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: I like I have rangefinders or rain finding buyinos that

873
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 3: have the blistic builts in. So I'm just dialing my scope.

874
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about, like, you know, super straight flight.

875
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: I'm okay with some drop.

876
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even it just depends, yep, yep, I've I mean,

877
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: we're not gonna we're not talking about long range. But

878
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: I've always felt like as long as you've got like

879
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: good info on your load, like the up and downs easy, yeah,

880
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: and as long as your bullet construction is good, you

881
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: won't get that like vertical stringing. So as long as

882
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: all that's like, it's the left right that's always going

883
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: to get like up and downs left right not as

884
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: easy to deal with.

885
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: So no, thank thanks for.

886
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: Running through those, you know, it's it's interesting to to

887
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, pick your gun, pick your load, pick your caliber,

888
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: and and you know, just like you guys's bullets are

889
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: specifically built, Like I think it needs to be specifically

890
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: picked for what you're hunting and your situations, you know,

891
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: or or your most likely situations. And then hopefully you

892
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: have a good enough setup that gives you like enough

893
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: variability that you can handle you know, closer ranger a

894
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: little bit further than your your ideal. Yeah, so let's

895
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: jump into suppressors. I always, if you had asked me

896
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: five years ago, I was never hunting with the suppressor.

897
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: It's for you know, tactical people or you know, serial

898
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: killers or whatever. I hope hopefully that's all I get.

899
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: But that's just like what was in my head, Like

900
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm I shoot a muscle break, Like what do I

901
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: need a suppressor for? Like these things are in movies there,

902
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: it's for the military. Now I've ordered one, getting ready

903
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: to order my second one. You guys got a pretty

904
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: good line of suppresors. Kind of give us a rundown

905
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: on knows how they were design, what their intention that

906
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: kind of the whole the full meal do because I

907
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of people still in my

908
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: where I was at five years ago, where it's like,

909
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: why would I what do I need this for? It's

910
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: just extra linked on my gun. What's it going to add?

911
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: But sorry I interrupted you there. But like, for me,

912
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: the reason it became very, very important was I keep

913
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: pulling my damn you know, pulling the trigger without having

914
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: my hearing protection in. And I'm like, I still, You're

915
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: still gonna probably recommend you always have your hearing protection in,

916
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: but on a hunt, it's maybe not going to make

917
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: me lose my hearing as fast. So like run through

918
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: why suppressors are important, all the pluses, and why somebody

919
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: should have them on their hunting gun.

920
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, we started making suppressors a few years ago, and

921
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: I can't believe how much suppressors have taken off in

922
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: the hunting community just in the last few years. I

923
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: never hunted with one until just like two years ago,

924
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: and now I'm like, I'll never go back, but I

925
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 3: see a lot of value in suppressors for hunting. Not

926
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 3: only are you not disturbing other animals in the area,

927
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: but I've seen where you know, I'll shoot an animal

928
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 3: that has a herd with it and the herd doesn't

929
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: know what happened, Like, they're not afraid, they're not disturbed,

930
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: and when you're looking at like putting that animal down

931
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: right there, Like I'm a big fan of shoot until

932
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: it's down. And so even if I made a good shot,

933
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: if it's still standing, I'm not gonna wait to see

934
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: if it goes down before I put another one in it.

935
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 3: And so follow up shots are much easier and more

936
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: likely with a suppressor because when that animal's herd doesn't

937
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: take off, it doesn't take off, it usually will like

938
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: stay in the area, right, So that's one thing, is

939
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: like follow up shots. And then also since COVID, we've

940
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: seen an influx of new hunters and new firearms owners

941
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: in this space, which I think is wonderful. But with

942
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: that comes like kids and women and these people that

943
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: are new to guns, and they can be intimidating, right,

944
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: So that suppressor helps the funnel those gases that are

945
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: coming out the end of their barrel and reduces the

946
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 3: recoil so you're not getting wopped in the shoulder. It's

947
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: more fun to practice, which I think that people are

948
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: able to become better hunters because they're practicing more it's

949
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: more enjoyable. And then stage you're hearing. So like when

950
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: you're out practicing or shooting at the range and you're

951
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: going to use ear protection, but when you're in that

952
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 3: moment on the hunt and you use a muzzle brake

953
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: to help with recoil and that, I mean, that's creating

954
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: even a louder bang. You're not hearing that because you're

955
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: in the moment, you're adrenaline rushing, but that is still

956
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 3: impacting your ears and your ear drums and damaging your hearing.

957
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: And so I think there's multiple reasons why they're beneficial.

958
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: But I used to shoot my dad's three hundred wind

959
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 3: bag when I was little, and he would like cite

960
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: it in for me or and then he'd be like, hey,

961
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: you need to put one shot through it to make

962
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: sure you're good. And I just remember I always dreaded that.

963
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, I was always scared to pull a trigger,

964
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: which doesn't give you a good trigger press, and I'm like,

965
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: dreaded that one shot a year, Like when I got

966
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: on an ELK, it wasn't a big deal because I

967
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: didn't even feel it. But in practicing, I think that

968
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: it has allowed people to enjoy the hunting and shooting

969
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: experience a little bit more practice more saves their hearing,

970
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: and then ultimately when you're out there hunting, like doesn't

971
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: disturb nearby game and follow up shots. So Nazler got

972
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: into the suppressor game a few years ago and we

973
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 3: have a really pretty extensive line of suppressors. My favorite

974
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 3: is our Kae Can and that's because I already have

975
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: a long barrel on my hunting rifle and so I

976
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,959
Speaker 3: wanted something that was short, light, still protected my hearing,

977
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: but it wasn't going to be like something dragging down

978
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: the end of my barrel when I was taking it

979
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: into the back country. So our Ta Can, which is

980
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: our SR thirty K, is in aluminum titanium construction and

981
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: it's made for it's made four hunters. It's lightweight, it's short.

982
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: But then we also have full size cans that are

983
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: we have full titanium, which are full auto rated. We

984
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: have aluminum titanium which is a little bit lighter and

985
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: like not full auto rated. But who's using that full

986
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 3: auto rating? You know what I mean? Like most people

987
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: like that just because they're like, oh it might last longer.

988
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 3: It's you know, the rating is there, But as a hunter,

989
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: you're usually only putting a couple of rounds down the

990
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 3: barrel at a time and you're letting it cool off.

991
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 3: And so unless you're doing like rapid fire through several magazines,

992
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: you're not going to need that full out of rating.

993
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: But we have different options. We have a twenty two suppressor,

994
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 3: which is twenty two and lower caliber. We can shoot

995
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 3: like seventeen HMR or you know whatever that might be

996
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: to do three for kyo hunting. And then we have

997
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: our thirty suppressors, which is like our s R thirty

998
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: K or SR thirty TAI and those are rated for

999
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: thirty cow or lower. So that's what I run on

1000
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: my twenty eight Doglar. And then we also have a

1001
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: thirty three can which is like thirty three thirty eight.

1002
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the big guy. But you could still

1003
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: run it on like a three hundred if you wanted

1004
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: more more reduct. Yeah, so you can. As long as

1005
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: you're over, you can typically run it. I don't want

1006
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: to put anything out there like exact, but typically you know, check.

1007
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: With the manufacturer. Yeah yeah, yeah, and then so what

1008
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: what what do you have to do?

1009
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: Like, what's the process I know, you guys have a

1010
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: couple of partners because you guys don't actually sell your

1011
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: your own so like if somebody wanted to. This was

1012
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: what kind of was the most overwhelming thing to me,

1013
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: is like you know you have to set up a

1014
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: trust or do I have to do a text? You know,

1015
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: like all this like you guys don't sell your own.

1016
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: You guys manufacturer and then sell through partners.

1017
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 3: Correct, yep, we sell through silences and Silence is Central

1018
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 3: and then we sell through multiple dealers across the country.

1019
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: But Science are Shop and Science is Central are really

1020
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 3: the easiest options in most streamline and that's because they

1021
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 3: have the E forms and so suppressors. I think there

1022
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 3: used to be that barrier of entry because it was

1023
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 3: like all this paperwork and it took forever to get it.

1024
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: You had to pay for it up front, had to

1025
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: pay for your tax team, and then you had to

1026
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: wait like a year and a half. And so that's

1027
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: not the case anymore. You can pretty much do it

1028
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 3: all online or write in store at a dealer that

1029
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: has a sensor shop kioff and it's pretty simple. And

1030
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: the wait time is I want to say, it's down

1031
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: to like three months.

1032
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually I just got one through silence or

1033
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: central and I had the from the time I started

1034
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: to getting the suppressor was five weeks. Oh, so I

1035
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to say it's that

1036
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: fast for everybody, but it was pretty dang quick, aside

1037
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: from me thinking I had messed up on my fingerprint

1038
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: and stuff like, and it ended up being okay, like

1039
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: it was, it was pretty dang quick. And yeah, I

1040
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: just like you had mentioned, the plus is for me

1041
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: getting my kid into it. You know, I was shooting

1042
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: just a broke seven short action ultramag but like to

1043
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: him being a ten year old, yeah, it didn't have

1044
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: a lot of recoil because of the break, but he

1045
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: would be the kid that would want to put earplugs

1046
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: in his ear muffs over him, put his head hood

1047
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: of sweatshirt on over top, and then like, is there

1048
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: anything else you can do?

1049
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: Dad?

1050
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: Because he just didn't like, you know, all of all

1051
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: of the noise, Like it was more he didn't the

1052
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: kick didn't bother him, and so it was like I

1053
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: started to realize, like this is not enjoyable. It's like

1054
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: giving him some like anxiety issues. He wants to go shoot,

1055
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: but he doesn't love the you know, the big bang,

1056
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: And so I think this is going to help a lot.

1057
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 1: And not that this is everybody's problem, but like, even

1058
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: are my buddies that shoot breaks, Like when you're hunting together,

1059
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: there's a shooter and there's a spotter, and there's you know,

1060
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: we have a camera guy thrown in. Like it's not

1061
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: very fair to those guys either, because they all got

1062
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: jobs to do and you're all trying to get your

1063
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: hearing protection in. It's like, this is going to be nicer,

1064
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: and and yeah, it's going to reduce anywhere from I

1065
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: think twenty to thirty five desk depending on which one

1066
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: of your guys are suppressors you have on, but at

1067
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: least any we would I think everybody would still recommend

1068
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: you still use hearing protection even at those numbers. But

1069
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: and I'm on an audio doctor, I'm not giving you

1070
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: any advice, but if you pull your trigger with that on,

1071
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: you're not gonna probably create as much you won't create

1072
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: as much damage as you would without the suppressed on, right,

1073
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's that it's that you're taking the

1074
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: edge off of it. You're you're doing less damage, and

1075
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: it's it's more sustainable, and.

1076
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 3: All of ours are hearing safe at the year. We've

1077
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 3: done it pretty extensive testing and they are hearing safe

1078
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 3: at the year.

1079
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1080
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's what I'm most excited about. I'm

1081
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: I mean kind of the one trade off that we

1082
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: all get it. Yeah, it's a little bit more weight,

1083
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: it's a little bit extra length on your gun. And

1084
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: you can almost see the movement now with suppressors coming

1085
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: on and say all right, we're gonna try to shoot

1086
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: the maag through like the twenty two inch barrel, right,

1087
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: so you can end up so everybody's trying to go

1088
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: shorter barrels, a little bit faster, powders maybe.

1089
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: Giving up a little bit of speed. You know.

1090
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: The folding stocks have made a big bank, you know,

1091
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: and I and I almost wonder if it's not because

1092
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: of the suppressors, because everybody's adding you know, six to

1093
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: eight inches of suppressor off the end of their guns now. Yeah,

1094
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think I think people are it's becoming

1095
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: a big thing. It almost when you look at the

1096
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: hunting industry, it's like, man, what's doing the best. You're like,

1097
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: probably suppressors right now, Yeah, they're doing great, probably suppressors,

1098
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it's funny you see in my opinion,

1099
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: stock designs, you know, barrel designs, all these things probably

1100
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: hinging around the popularity of suppressors right now.

1101
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred. We just we just launched twenty inch

1102
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: three oh eight like a great little truck gun. But

1103
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: then you add a suppressor and it's like it's perfect.

1104
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, I definitely think that manufacturers are recognizing that

1105
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: and launching rifles and barreling based on the assumption that

1106
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: someone's going to throw a suppressor on it.

1107
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's Uh, I'm excited to hunt with that

1108
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: and not have to necessarily always have my hearing protection

1109
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: in and and blow my ears out and have tonight.

1110
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: Like you said, you don't necessarily notice it when you

1111
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: pull trigger. It's just the ringing in my ears for

1112
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: the next five days that I do notice.

1113
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1114
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I really.

1115
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: Appreciate having you on, Matty. Is there anything that you

1116
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: want to follow up with anything? How can people find

1117
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: out more about Nozler check out your bullets if they

1118
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: have any more questions like where do they go and

1119
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 1: how do they find you guys?

1120
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a ton of information on Ausler dot com.

1121
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: We also sell directly on there, and so if you

1122
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: want to know more about bullet construction, that is where

1123
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 3: I would go. We have an extensive line of those

1124
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: bullets and even more that we didn't talk about today,

1125
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: like our new white Ceil country or ballistic tips. So

1126
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 3: I think finding the right bullet for you and then

1127
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 3: finding the bullet that your gun really likes is important.

1128
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah.

1129
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: Do you guys have like load data and stuff on

1130
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: there as well, like if somebody has a gun or

1131
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: they want to reload, like you guys have your starting

1132
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: points with different powders and different bullets that you guys manufacture.

1133
00:54:59,520 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: On there as well.

1134
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: Yep. We have all of our load data for free

1135
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 3: on our website, and then we also do sell like

1136
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: a reloading guide, but it has all the same information

1137
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 3: that's available on our website.

1138
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: For three That's awesome. So I really appreciate having you on, Mattie.

1139
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: Look forward to trying to work up a three hundred

1140
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: PRC load here real quick and see where we end up.

1141
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: But like I said, thank you and good luck on

1142
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: all your hunts this year.

1143
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much for having me on